Four Turnings of Ponzinomics: Decay, Destruction, Rebirth, Growth

JimQ and I had a short debate the other day regarding the cycles described in the Fourth Turning, where I put forth the hypothesis that the whole cycle can be explained simply by the length of time it takes for a monetary system based on debt and interest to become saturated with debt.  This is a very regular mathematical function, the cycle of depressions comes on regular intervals of 60-80 years, and has done so in the modern era going back at least as far as the Tulip Bubble and the failure of the South Seas Company.  That particular collapse led directly to the French Revolution, and pretty much every major conflagration of the last 300 years has been preceeded by similar collapses in the banking/investment paradigm.

It does not stop there though.  Geopol recently wrote a series of articles over on Zero Hedge tracing the history of Venetian banking through the Middle Ages, and they had the same type of boom bust cycles then as well, in fact being a proximal cause for the Plagues which hit Europe during that era.  Go back further than that, and its fairly common knowledge that in the latter stages of the decline of the Roman Empire TPTB of that time went about debasing the currency in much the same way Helicopter Ben is doing today.  You can go even further back than that if you make a few logical conclusions after reading Chapter 18 in Revelation:

“ 10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

 11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

 12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

 13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

 14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

 15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

 16And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

 17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

 18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

 19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

 21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.”

This isn’t a prediction of the future, it is a recounting of what actually OCCURRED in Babylon a couple of thousand years before the Roman Empire!  Yet it also describes very well what we see occurring before our eyes today.  None of this is New Stuff, it has happened over and over again from the moment counting systems were applied to agricultural production and a monetary system was laid on top of that to account for it. It has since evolved with many new financial “instruments” over time, but all the same basic principles apply regardless of the complexity of the system.

I have not yet read the Fourth Turning, but that is actually a good thing here because I can write my own viewpoint on the cyclical nature of the growth and decline of a monetary system and the civilization which depends on it without it being colored by a previous reading of Strauss and Howe’s interpretation.

A strict interpretation of the Bible lays down some pretty hard and fast rules regarding Usury and Gambling.  Neither is acceptable.  Of course, in order to run some of these games, the definition of Usury has been manipulated, where an arbitrary percentage like say 20% is “Usurious” interest, whereas 19% would be acceptable banking practice.  However, it does not matter what arbitrary number is dropped in here, any interest at all will eventually compound up and unsustainable debt levels will be reached.  Lower interest charges just lengthen the time period.  In the average range of 5%-10%, the cycle appears to take around 60-80 years to complete, about the lifespan of modern Homo Sapiens, but nearly double the lifespan of Homo Sapiens back in Biblical times.  By the time a new system is introduced, the collapse of the old system has for the most part gone out of the living memory of people who experienced it, so the new population is pretty susceptible to the very same enticements the old population was, and the system will reboot.  Why?  Because SOME people do remember how to run such a game, and they are the ones best positioned at the time of a crash to hunker down and wait a while, passing on the knowledge to the next generation to do it all over again.  Thus began the long and sordid History of the Illuminati.

Its not like some folks didn’t figure this out over time, and there have been movements against it all through history.  In fact Islam was such a rebellious movement, as it remains today, thoroughly Radicalized right from the very beginning.  Islam rejected most modern improvements, the society is much more Religious than Secular in nature and they of course made their own set of Sharia Laws against Usury.  Of course they do work their way around those laws in numerous ways, just as Christians found ways to work around the laws, because without Debt and Credit, its almost impossible to run any kind of commerce in society.

There have been quite a few other Religion based movements against this system, the Luddites and the Amish are good examples of movements of people who fought “progress” and tried to hold on to a simple and stable form of economic organization, but of course these movements were overrun by the tide of History, and the POWER that comes from centralizing wealth through a Ponzi scheme.  Even right up until the 1970s, you had the “Back to the Land” movement and Stewart Brand’s Whole Earth Catalog, along with the beginnings of the Environmental movement to better Steward the Earth.

None of these movements successfully defeated the societies based on the power of Money, the Amish remain a very tiny minority in the world, the Hippies turned into Yuppies, really of all the movements the Muslims were the most successful.  Why?  Because they were Radicalized right from the beginning. They just got plain old Mad Dog MEAN, in a Take No Prisoners sort of way. They have been this way ever since.  This turned out to be about the only way you actually could battle it out with Money, and you cannot argue that they have not been growing with the paradigm, since they are multiplying up quicker than the competing civilizations on the planet. LOL. They haven’t yet defeated the Money men though, partially because they themselves have been corrupted at the Leadership Level by money and partially because since money held the power for so long, they were working in a resource constrained environment.  However, the battle has evened up some since the Age of Oil, because they happened to be sitting on top of the world’s biggest supply of easily accessible Oil.  Nowadays, its kind of a tossup who is winning the overall battle here, the Muslims utilizing distributed Terrorism or the Christians using Technology and Death from Above, but unless new sources of energy are found, Tech will decline in power and over the long term the Terrorism would win here. Not a good thing at all of course if the Muslims are the victorious Terrorists, because they have become so corrupted by their own years of struggle it would not be a very pleasant society to be living under.

Anyhow, I have drifted off the monetary cycle question here somewhat in order to flesh out the History, so let me now return to looking at what happens through the cycle of Decay, Destruction, Rebirth, Growth…Decay, Destruction, Rebirth, Growth… etc ad infinitum until there IS no Rebirth after the Destruction Phase.

Why am I not starting with the Birth or Rebirth of the system to begin with?  It’s too far back in History to know much about the original Birth besides what you can conjecture.  I could start with Rebirth of this cycle after WWII, but that is not where we are NOW.  I’m doing prognostication here, not reviewing History as my main theme, though of course I try to justify my prognostications by giving examples from History.

I choose to begin with the Decay Phase because this is where we are NOW, and in fact have been for quite some time, probably beginning around the early 1960s and escalating upward to 1968, but at the time there WAS still enough Resource Wealth here in the FSofA to Fund the Great Society and buy off the underclass for a while.  Though the problems were swept under the rug here, they were never resolved in all the Have Not nations of the world, which has of course resulted in perpetual Warfare and Terrorism through the period.

This decay period has lasted longer than prior ones because through the thermodynamic energy of Oil, limits that were reached in prior expansions were superceded.  Whether it was the Roman Empire, The Mongol Horde, or even Manifest Destiny and the expansion of the FSofA, prior to Oil the Geographic Limits of expansion could only encompass a relatively small portion of the globe before a collapse took place.  This meant that there was always some other place for wealth to flee to and reboot up later after such a collapse. Oil changed that dynamic, and allowed for GLOBAL system of Banking, which when it collapses has no place to sequester wealth, unless unbeknownst to us the Illuminati have a secret Colony on Mars.  I consider this to be highly unlikely. LOL.

Through finance and perpetual warfare, the Decay period has been extended here by shifting financial burdens onto the less developed nations and sieving out resource wealth through the period.  This is the underlying CAUSE of all the wars and Terrorism that have plagued the world since 1970, from Vietnam to Iraq. In order to maintain a society for Homo Industrialis, resource wealth had to be continuously and in ever greater amounts extracted from every available resource well on the Planet, and then sieved inward to the Center of that civiliatization, leaving those outside the center out in the cold.  While the standard of living in developed nations improved during this period, the standard of living in the less developed nations actually got WORSE.  So duh, they REBEL against the system.

Now we have reached a Global Maximum, expanding a Ponzi to reach every corner of the Globe.  There is no further place to expand into, and no technology that has been developed that can provide enough energy for further expansion.  The physical territory is saturated and the debt incurred to control that territory has reached its maximum limits without further expansion.  It MUST COLLAPSE. Thus we move now from the Decay Phase to the Destruction Phase of the cycle, and BOY will this one ever be a DOOZY. LOL.  At NO TIME in Human History has a collapse occurred that was GLOBAL and SIMULTANEOUS, but that is what is occurring here, as a direct result of the Globalization of the Ponzi Economy.  Exactly how much Death and Destruction will result from this remains to be seen, but given the type of destruction which occurred over a smaller portion of the globe with a much smaller population beginning with the Great Depression and continuing onward through WWII, you have to figure this cycle iteration will make that one look like a Sunday Picnic.  From what I have read of Strauss and Howe that JimQ has published up here, I do not see where they make SCALE DISTINCTIONS. Yes the same things happen over and over again, but you cannot ignore the problems of scale.  Its one thing for the Roman Empire to collapse while there are still functioning civilizations in China or over in the New World (not yet discovered by Europeans of the time), its another ballgame altogether when a GLOBAL civilization collapses simultaneously.  This has NEVER happened before, so you have a front row seat to witness it and learn something nobody else has ever known about or witnessesed in the history of Homo Sapiens on Earth.  Not even the writer of the Book of Revelation, although perhaps he was able to extrapolate up well enough to see that future far off in the distance.

So in the Grand Cycle of Rebirth, Growth, Decay and Destruction, I remain unsure as to whether after a collapse of this scale the Destruction Phase will be followed by a Rebirth Phase once again.    I am logically predisposed toward saying this is the END of the Cycles and this is the LAST one, but I am emotionally committed to the idea that at least a small number of people will survive this to have a Rebirth that goes so far back in time it predates the development of Agriculture and Money.

As I see it, if/when Rebirth does occur after this phase of Destruction, we will not be reborn with any technology that has been developed since the thermodynamic energy of fossil fuels were accessed in earnest via the Steam Engine, which puts the reborn society at around a 1750 time period of social organization and technology.  That society if it is reborn has some nice aspects, like being somewhat more environmentally benign than our current one, but some not so nice aspects like a rebirth of Slavery and Feudalism.  That is not cut in stone, but it is hard to see how it would be avoided in the Ag Flatlands.  This period would again mimic the Four Turnings Cycle, and of course sadly our Illuminati Masters would probably remain in control for the most part.

It’s the cycle that comes AFTER this one wherein my hope lies, and it is a century or more away from us at the moment.  In that cycle, the agricultural paradigm itself fails completely, and only a very few Homo Sapiens are left walking the earth, perhaps like in the aftermath of the Toba Supervolcanic Eruption 75,000 years ago, only 10,000 Human Souls or 1000 Breeding Pairs are left to repopulate the earth with a New and Better Paradigm for a Better Tomorrow.  One can only hope this purification process is sufficient to expunge all the Evil which has so devastated our Planet and the population of Homo Sapiens that lives upon it.

That my friends is my OPTIMISTIC view of the Future.  On the days I sink into Pessimism, I tend to believe that this Turning is the LAST Turning, and we are witnessing the final days of the Great Experiment with Sentience that was the Human Race on this Planet. I so do HOPE this is not so, I hope we can avoid going the way of the Dinosaur here, but I am not confident this can be avoided.  If it IS to be avoided, enough people must withdraw and sequester themselves and their Tribes in defensible locations.  You can be one of those People.  You can be among those who make sure that the Great Spark of Sentience does NOT vanish from the Earth forever more.  You must pick your location well, you must make friends and prepare yourselves to SURVIVE with no assistance from anyone outside your community.  You must be ready to FIGHT for survival, and fight to the DEATH. Only when all the Evil has been expunged from the world can you let your guard down, and that will not be the case for a very long time to come here still.  Until that is the case, you TAKE NO PRISONERS.  There is no countenancing Evil, Perp Walks and incarceration behind Bars is NOT sufficient to expunge Evil.  Only DEATH can expunge Evil.  Understand that TRUTH, and do not bring a Knife to a Gunfight.  Get MAD, and then get EVEN. Or as Lone Waite put in The Oulaw Josey Wales, “GET READY LITTLE LADY, HELL IS COMING TO BREAKFAST.”

The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth. Right after the Meek get VERY, VERY ANGRY.

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Goldie
Goldie

so you finally took this glass…

The Meek
The Meek

Book of Genises, Chapter one, verse 28: ——– Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth ———-

Looks like we’ve been here before.

Novista
Novista

Noah had it partly right — the going forth is a lot more fun than the multiplying.

Tampa Gold
Tampa Gold

I still can not log in properly because, 1.) The e-mail function at TBP is disabled to retrieve passwords and 2.) Jim NEVER answers his e-mails.

Help me obewankenobi…..

Maybe SPAM will work……..

StevenP302
StevenP302

Interesting.

Only one addition to your history lesson, “…fact being a proximal cause for the Plagues which hit Europe during that era….”

The plague also came on the heels of the “Little Ice Age” which had already reduced the peasantry (ie, “worker bees”) in Europe to STARVING, undernourished, unable to fight the disease, masses of dead bodies.

What many don’t see about today is even though our “poor” are the fattest “poor” have ever been, they are NOT “healthy” and in essence are fat because they are STARVING to death nutritionally. Thanks to our completely worthless “food,” the poor/fat are eating ever more calories to quench the cries of the STARVATION of cells. My theory that NO doctor, nor pharmaceutical, nor bureaucrat will EVER see. Because the truth would create real health, and by god that is the LAST thing a country without hope needs.

Anyway, nicely thought out article that sadly serves to more deeply solidify my underlying belief that my children are completely FUBAR.

EricK
EricK

RE:

I am quite certian that I met a member of the Illuminati this past Fri. I create virtual tours of Real Estate for agents to use for advertising on the internet. I meet some interesting people. This woman was 90 and started talking about the French Revolution and how some of her ancestors lost their heads. I asked if she was from Aristocracy. She delightedly answered “YES”. Come to find out, her husbands great grandfather was a founder the Northern Trust Bank in Chicago.

4 Bd condo in downtown D.C. $4,000,000
Redsidents of Building include
Seagrams airess
Most famous divorce lawyer in US (two units put together)
Philanthropist ($1,000,000 to National Symphony EVERY year)

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