WHAT IS THE CHINESE MILITARY SIGNALING?

History is littered with examples of events that seemed to come out of the blue. After the fact, historians would matter of factly state that it was plainly evident. Two months ago no one predicted that the President of Tunisia for the last 23 years would need to flee the country. The Chinese military appeared to launch a shot across the bow of the President last week. What does it mean? Maybe nothing. Could a military coup take place in China? History is created by individual human beings. Who knows the true politics within the Chinese leadership and military. Humans have egos, ambitions, mental illness and desires. Surprises are common during Fourth Turnings. Keep your eyes open. 

Chinese military blindsides its leader

THE PUBLIC EVENTS and appearances of China’s communist leadership are tightly controlled and scripted with nothing left to chance.

That is why the surprise the Chinese military sprung on President Hu Jintao is both shocking and alarming.

After lengthy on-again, off-again negotiations, Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Beijing for a meeting with Hu.

Shortly before the meeting, a website linked to the People’s Liberation Army reported that the military had just successfully conducted its first test flight of a new stealth fighter.

When Gates asked about the flight, it was clear that Hu and his top advisers were taken by surprise and that the military had not informed them it was taking place.

This affront had to be doubly embarrassing to Hu because he is coming to Washington for a summit with President Obama.

Communist doctrine is very clear on this point:

THE MILITARY answers to the party, and Hu is both head of the party and head of the military.

But this incident raised concerns with Gates and his delegation that the country’s civilian leadership is losing control of an increasingly assertive military.

China broke off military relations between the two countries last January after U.S. arms sales to Taiwan.

After a cooling-off period, Hu and the other civilian leaders decided to rebuild that relationship and ordered the military to begin negotiations with U.S. counterparts.

HOWEVER, Chinese military leaders have slow-walked those orders, doing the minimum necessary to keep relations alive.

And, indeed, the meeting ended with the military rebuffing Gates’ request for a specific timetable on the progress of talks.

Why the military is doing this now is something of a mystery.

Perhaps it wants a greater voice in diplomatic affairs.

Perhaps the PLA does not want to cooperate with the U.S. because it increasingly sees our military as a rival.

And perhaps it is serving notice on Vice President Xi Jinping, who is scheduled to take over from Hu next year.

Whatever the reason, it is a worrisome development.

— Scripps Howard News Service

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Kill Bill
Kill Bill

Correction
But this incident raised concerns with Gates and his delegation that the country’s civilian leadership is losing control of an increasingly assertive Military Industrial Complex

Anonymous
Anonymous

1. — In 2005, a former Northrup B2 design engineer was arrested for selling highly classified data about the B-2 and its stealth design to China.

2. — In April 2009, China cyberwar experts attacked the US Department of Defense computers that hold classified data about the F-35 program. A great deal of data was downloaded,

Well Shazzam! I guess that explains why they look like American airplanes!!

However, they can not make the engines so they get those from Russia. They are woefully weak in systems integration … making it all work. They are a decade away from actually producing it in quantity. Lastly, like all Chinese made products, this plane will fall apart like cheap ass slippers after about 2.5 hours of flight.

Oh … the article …

Confusius say; “A leopard can not change its spots”. The military is always behind the scenes. Look for another Cultural Revolution there when TSHTF.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

Oops. Above is me should you want to napalm my anti-Chinese views.

But I generally like Chinese people. A Chinese couple bought the $700k house across the street a couple months ago. Yesterday it was 37 degrees. The man and his wiffe were playing badminton in the driveway. Not kidding. And when we had the two blizzards this past month? The right side of their driveway borders their neighbor’s property. Instead of shoveling the snow onto their property (no big deal .. that’s what everybody does) these people walked across their 2-car driveway to dump it on their side. Amazing! Very very friendly people.

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

Or… this too could be a calculated event staged by the military with the tacit approval of Hu to appear to the West that something is amiss, something to throw us off the scent Something like Kruschev and his banging of the shoe at the U.N. I read “The Fifties” by I think David Halberstram(Spelling?) a number of years ago where he stated that photos of Kruschev banging his shoe also showed that he in fact had both shoes on at the time. In other words his spontaneous “outburst” was in fact planned. Its intent was to show the world he was perhaps unbalanced, a person and hence his country to be given a wide berth.

I have a hard time believing the Chinese didn’t plan this. They wouldn’t want to lose face to the West by purposely embarrassing their politicians

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

We live in a ranch home about 1850 square feet. One car garage. The basement is completely built out. Hardly a McMansion.

The Chinese COULD build quality now … but, they don’t. Whatever reasons are holding them back won’t change in the future … so says my crystal ball.

The Japanese started from scratch. Their cities and infrastructure were bombed to hell and back. Then along came Deming and the Japanese adopted Kaizen (continuous improvement and total quality control), and they haven’t looked back since in terms of high quality.

The Chinese suffered no such issues. What? They aren’t aware of quality control in this day and age??? A whole different dynamic is in place today.

Back then, the Japanese HAD to make continuous improvement in order to compete. Today, Americans simply don’t give a shit about quality … otherwise Walmart would cease to exist.

Whether the Chicoms sell you cheap ass drywall or dog food — both killers — the American public continues to buy Chinese SHIT. So, what incentive is there for Chinese manufacturers to actually make a decent product? None, as far as I can tell.

Jmarz
Jmarz

Stuck

Their quality will get better over time as Jim pointed out that many Chinese are studying at our universities and taking this education back home. I also want to point out that many multinationals are sending quality personnel to Chinese factories to help monitor and train the Chinese how to effectively manufacture a quality product. We have to deregulate and change our policies in order to help our country become competitive in the manufacturing business again.

Jmarz
Jmarz

Jmarz — with all due respect, how fucking hard is it to make a decent pair of house slippers?? I was given such slippers … nice little Made In China label included … and the damn things started falling apart in LESS than one month.

I don’t know if you’ve ever worked in manufacturing. But here is a maxim you can take to the bank; quality ain’t free. Monitoring, testing, evaluating, fixing, and putting in all the processes and system to “do” quality … not to mention the personel overhead … all costs money. The Chinese only care about quantity and cheapest cost. I’m not even sure they have a word for “quality”.

Lastly, despite what is mentioned above Quality is mostly a mindset … an attitude … a driving force …. all of which leads to a commitment that MUST involve every member of the organization from top to bottom. You can teach the Chinese students all you want, but I don’t see the Will or Desire. It’s like casting pearls before swine.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

Fucking website … above is obviously my reply to Jmarz

llpoh
llpoh

I just lost production of a part to the Chinese. My price was about $350. There price was less than half the amount. Fuck the Chinese.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

RE — we’re NOT talking about the Japanese economic model. We are talking about QUALITY. Read for comprehension. Just In Time (JIT) came long, long after Kaizen. Again, get a clue.

Have you EVER worked in a factory that was a) either run by Japanese or b) supplied parts to Japanese manufacturers? I didn’t think so. If you had, you would marvel at their obsession with quality — and how WELL they do it. We probably agree with this though …. the Chinese are decades away from that, if at all.

llpoh
llpoh

Stuck – China is exploding along the quality curve. Do not be fooled by a bad pair of slippers. Within 10 years they will be putting out A grade stuff in all of the major fields – trucks/cars/armaments/etc. They have the production volumes to warrant investment in tooling – which is the most critical element in producing quality parts in modern manufacturing (you take people out of the equation and you take out the mistakes). China will rule the frigging manufacturing world shortly.

As an aside, Japan was a quality powerhouse, and were totally dedicated to it. They NEVER were as efficient as the US. NEVER. Anyone who says they were are full of shit.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

llpoh — build and quote a SHIT product … sionce it appears no one gives a flying fuck about quality anymore.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

llpoh — let’s leave it at this. I’ll believe it when I see it.

llpoh
llpoh

I was in charge of building compressors, and the pumps used were Japanese. I needed to build 100 compressors, and ordered something like 103 pumps, to allow for transport damage/etc. as it was critical I meet the entire order. I got a call from the Japanese supplier, who knew I had an order for 100 compressors, and the conversation went thusly:

Japanese guy: “Why you order 103 pumps. You need 100”.
Me: “In case some don’t work, or in case one of my guys drops one”.
Japanese guy: “All work. You no drop.”

In the end he REFUSED to send the 103, even tho I, the customer, was demanding he do so.. It was simply too foreign to him to think the way I did. To him all the pumps would work (and they did), and you simply do not damage parts (thank goodness we didn’t.). Contingency quantities were simply incomprehensible to him.

llpoh
llpoh

Stuck – I see it every day. And I mean every day. A competitor just went under as China has met the twofold criteria that auto companies require: 1) price, and 2) quality. They are supplying a superior product to his (and he has been making the parts for over 30 years) at a far cheaper price.

It is a done deal. What most people see are the cheapie products. Fair enough. But they are making huge strides in quality.

llpoh
llpoh

Stuck – I would gladly reduce quality if it meant I could compete on price. No can do, as the cost of materials and OH are almost the same as the Chinese prices. Also, I supply auto and transport markets, and quality must be high or you are gone immediately.

Smokey
Smokey

llpoh—-I heard a story several years ago at the height of the Japanese boom. Someone told me that Japan sent the USA a drill bit that was so narrow, that they wanted to know if the USA had the technology to duplicate the bit. The USA sent the bit back to Japan with a perfect hole bored through the length of it.

Smokey
Smokey

llpoh—-I have read also that China, while having a reputation for manufacturing shit products, and deservedly so, they are making gargantuan strides in quality across the board.

llpoh
llpoh

Smokey – I believe that is a truish story. As I understand it it was not a drill bit (but may have been. your version makes sense), but rather a extremely finely turned “axle” – they machined down a bit of steel into a minute and perfectly round piece, and sent it off to brag about. The Americans drilled a hole (somehow) thru it lengthwise and sent it back. American technology is great, but the workforce and its attitudes suck, and the short-term vision of its leaders have destroyed to industry as a whole. The unions and governments have certainly played their parts in the destruction.

Reverse Engineer

the sooner the chinese put llpoh outta biz, THE BETTER.

RE

Smokey
Smokey

llpoh—-I always liked the story, but my source was suspect. Your version is probably how it was.

llpoh
llpoh

RE – I am tough to beat. And would it be better for my 100 employees, and their families, who would be out of work? To state and federal government, to whom I pay millions in taxes? To the long-term future of manufacturing in the country? Just why would it be better? Because of your personal animosity toward me? Or is it that all businesses that hire people should go under?

You are a fucking douchebag of the highest order. Your desire for doomsday taints everything you say. Crawl back in your ice cave you ignorant motherfucker.

Reverse Engineer

Ah, at last it’s a it more clear why you are such a sensitive and vitriolic old coot. You are in the auto manufacturing biz and are progressively losing market share to the Chinese. Don’t be so bummed LL, shortly after they put you out of Biz, the Chinese will follow you into the toilet.

Why would it be better for you to go outta biz? Well, as you well know, I consider Industrialization overall to be a bad deal for the Planet and for the people who live on it, so the sooner it goes the way of the Dinosaur, the better as far as I am concerned. Far as your employees go, their jobs are going to be History no matter what here, so the sooner they figure out a more sustainable way to make a living, the better off they will be.

Far as you are concerned, let me try to be clear on my opinion. As you have described it here, your entire life has been one of sieving value from others and using that value to enhance your own existence. That makes you a Leechfuck far more vile than any member of the FSA. Besides that, you hold no remorse for the pain you obviously have caused others, in fact you revel in it and attempt to further pass on that pain now with what you write in your declining years on the internet. You are a Human Abomination, beneath contempt and beneath the cockroach on the scale of living organisms, you are disgusting and the filth you carry with you in your mind corrupts everyone who gets near you, be it IRL or in Cyberspace. I am overcome with the scum of your mind every time I engage you in conversation, and it is all I can do to keep from vomiting when I read what you write. I pity all in your family, because they have been subjected to your filth for their entire lives, and are irretrievably corrupted because of it and they will all Burn in Hell along with you and BECAUSE of you. As an aging man in our society, you have absorbed everything Evil in it and yourself have become the embodiment of that Evil. You stink of putrefecation in all you write and think. While I have met many people over the years who were impoverished financially, I can say unequivocally I have never had contact with anyone so spiritually impoverished as you are, your entire life as you have described it is a moral vacuum and you are a worthless individual by any measure, in fact you are beyond Worthless, your existene has been a detriment to this planet and all who live upon it, including even the viruses. Not even an HIV virus would want to share the same living space as you. I am disgusted by the fact I have to share the same planet with cockroaches like you, and I hold you and your ilk personally responsible for the condition of our society. In the end, you will PAY for this, if not in this life then in the Eternal Hereafter. You are CONDEMNED TO HELL, and you will BURN IN EVERLASTING TORMENT for your beliefs and your actions in this life. There is NOTHING you can ever do to redeem yourself, no Penitence would be sufficient at this point, so prepare yourself for Everlasting Torment for the rest of Eternity. Eternal Justice cannot be denied, and you will face it and suffer for your sins, which are beyond all measure.

That being clear, I will say its worthwhile to hear your opinions here because I am a big proponent of Free Speech, even off the keyboard of a worthless cockroach like yourself.

Have a Nice Day.

RE

llpoh
llpoh

RE – I am a builder and have endeavored to put together something of value for the future. I have provided work and sustenance for many people, and have saved more than a few businesses from the grave, so that they could continue to provide support to a great many families.

As I have said, you hope and pray for destruction, and the sooner the better. No matter that your vision would include the deaths of many innocents and civilization as we know it, you so hope that it will come to pass and soon. You are the lowest form of life. I hope those that read your shit read your last post above. Occasionally you do spew forth something that makes your world-view crystal clear. Hopefully they will see you for the foul piece of shit you are. You are a hypocrite far beyond any I have ever seen – happy to take while condemning and cursing the very hand that has fed you. You are a man without honor or integrity, and not worth the sweat off an honest man’s balls.

Reverse Engineer

You wouldn’t know honesty if it hit you over the head with a sledgehammer.

What I hope for is for Homo Sapiens to rebuild the world under better principles once the oil is gone. Sadly, people who believe in industrialization won’t let go of the model, and they are the cause of the destruction to come here.

RE

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

RE:
I’ve often wondered what your opinion of IIpoh is. Do you have one?

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

RE — a lot of us call each other names here. Most of it, I trust, is in good nature. And even if it’s not I think very few of us carry a grudge in the long term.

That being said, your tirade against llpoh is the meanest thing I have ever read here. Ever. Not one bit of it is meant to be funny or in jest. You have some real serious anger issues … NOT at llpoh because you don’t even fucking know him … but at people he represents … people who employ other people. Capitalists! You just hate them with venom. I have never seen anything like that. You better be careful … at this rate you might turn into the next Jared.

Reverse Engineer

Absolutely Stuck, I wrote that one to be just as mean as I could conjure up. Whether its meaner than what LLPOH has thrown my way since I have been a member is a matter of perspective. I wrote that one basically as PAYBACK for all the insults he has pitched at me. What goes around, comes around. You can’t be persistently mean and nasty and not eventually get mean and nasty thrown back at you.

Also true is that it’s a general case thing against any Capitalist, not just LLPOH, though he gets identified because he is here and he has made an enemy of me with his insults. I find the whole idea of taking Profit from the labor of others and from the natural resources of the planet more than you really need to be anaethema. To Capitalists, this is a GOOD thing, which I find utterly appalling.

Like everybody else of course, I live in a society completely dominated by this mindset, even up here you have Big Oil and Mining interests that dominate the state. Big Capitalists and Little ones, all alike, all striving to get rich by taking ownership of a piece the planet and over time draining it of all its resources and leaving behind a stinking sewer. Put enough of these people anywhere, eventually and sooner rather than later its all gobbled up, they leave for Greener Pastures somewhere else and the people they robbed are left unemployed. Of course, they are running out of Greener Pastures worldwide now, thus the model is failing.

LLPOH has written his own thread here defending his point of view that producing goods in the industrial system is a good thing, and I intend to leave that thread alone. Most of you all buy into this idea, and for today, one ballistic tirade was quite enough. Suffice it to say that whether you think it’s a good thing or not, its going the way of the Dinosaur along with the cheap and easily available energy necessary to do such manufacturing.

IMHO, we never should have gone down the road of industrial manufacture, much like your friends the Amish believe. We never should have built industrial looms run by Oil, spinning and weaving should have been left as work a person could engage in at home. We shouldn’t have used organic chemistry to conjure up a whole bevy of Plastic items, all of which now permeate the environment with biological consequences from increasing ADD to Autism and who knows what else. The consequences of industrial manufacture, from Love Canal here and the recent spill into the GOM, along with the sewer China has become are all directly attributable to this constant race for profit driven by the greed of the few. A few get very rich, many more get very poor, and then poorer still once their lands and their fishing grounds have been destroyed.

In aggregate, I hold Capitalists responsible for the mess we find ourselves in now. This includes all the death and destruction from a couple of World Wars, and of course colonial expansion as well. So in one post, short and to the point, I condemned them all to Everlasting Damnation for their Sins. LLPOH just happened to be standing in front of me when I let it go. Now we can go back to our regularly scheduled programming.

RE

Jiggerjuice
Jiggerjuice

It is common knowledge to me, having lived in Beijing for 4 years, that yes, quality in China is indeed a problem.

There are several different setups for this. A foreign company that fully owns a manufacturing plant can control the way things are made – let’s say, in this case, Intel or Apple. Therefore, the iphones and cpus they make are, generally speaking, controlled by foreign QA teams, and will come out properly. Of course, Apple/Intel/whoever are going to pay an arm and a leg to the provincial and national government to get things running smoothly. They are going to spend months tearing out their hair trying to get their raw product suppliers to deliver commodities that are up to spec.

A JV will run into quality problems more frequently. In this case, the Chinese will be leeching everything they can from the foreigners. There are a number of cases where a foreign company sets up shop with a Chinese one, and the Chinese partner turns around and literally sets up another factory and jacks all the product specs from the foreigners and produces a competing/duplicate product at a lower price – from the original product the foreigners introduced. The JV itself will have problems with quality as well, since the Chinese are notorious cost-cutters. You can scream all you like at them, but the Chinese in China basically view foreigners as huge cash machines, and their job is to suck out as much cash as possible. In every circumstance.

If you are buying from a fully owned Chinese supplier, beware. You can send them product specs to manufacture, and, without due diligence, what you will receive will be modified completely – to be as cheapy cheapy to produce as possible, making the Chinese money. The Chinese regularly keep several sets of books – one for their government, one for investors/foreigners, and the precious of all preciouses, the ACTUAL amount of money they personally make out of everything. The accounting shenanigans are as outrageous as Bank of America’s 10k statements.

Of course, we as Americans complain about their quality… but what are the alternatives? Made in Germany? Made in Japan/Korea? Made in… America?? People shop at walmart because the shit is cheap, and GOOD ENOUGH.

On another note, it isn’t just Americans that the Chinese are ripping off. The things described above are just standard practice. China is the Wild East.

http://gizmodo.com/5304233/entire-new-13+story-building-tips-over-in-shanghai/gallery/

That is an apartment building falling over. Could you imagine the one guy that died in this if he were in America? Talk about the family cashing in at court. The construction worker in this case is going to get next to nothing. He definitely ain’t got no life insurance. Shit is cheap in China. In Shanghai, the majority of the buildings that exist were built in the last 20 years. Anything over 10 years old looks like a dump. And now, they are plowing over and rebuilding the “old” buildings. In another 20 years, when all the shit they build this time around starts falling apart, they are going to do it yet again – if they can (given Peak Oil, general worldwide collapse, etc). That is the assumption. There is always next time. Until there isn’t.

So… will quality catch up in 20 years? Sure it will… if everything else doesn’t fall apart in the meantime.

TeresaE
TeresaE

As I am intimate with the Chinese imports that have decimated my industry, my vendors, my suppliers, my friends and my family, I don’t think China’s quality issues can be blamed solely on the Chinese side of the equation.

The American mega-corporate model (think Mattel, Walmart and Levi’s to name a few), started to routinely demand concessions from their American suppliers. This started about the time Clinton threw open the doors to the third world.

The way Walmart would run their American suppliers out of business – thus justifying to the government and the press the change to an out of border supplier – was to demand a minimum of 8% “rebate” and/or “cost savings” annually. Every year. Even as the suppliers’ costs went up unless you are a UAW executive and don’t believe that the suppliers’ employees deserved raises as you cashed yours.

While Levi’s, Ford and HP doled out more and more pay, and more and more benefits to their privileged few (and shrinking) workforce, their SUPPLIERS cut wages, benefits, laid off and went in debt to try and profit on a dramatically shrinking model (in a period of continuously rising costs). China to the rescue of dividends. Sweet.

What the moron’s that run our government and mega-corporations forget to factor in the grand plan, was what the demographic of their fucking customers looked like.

Their SUPPLIERS were their best customers and they moved the jobs from America to China where the line worker couldn’t HOPE to buy the end products.

China’s quality problems are directly influenced by America’s CEO’s demand to increase profit margins.

I will say though that China has gotten a pass on quality (for the large part), a couple years ago the American Fastener Institute (yes, there is such a thing) pulled 100 Chinese made nuts/bolts that came with quality “certifications.” A full 25% of the parts met the specs. The rest didn’t, to varying degrees.

Not only does my company compete with China on wages, benefits, regulations and number of federal and state departments up my butt, we compete, and lose, with the REPORTING of quality. To submit a new part, I have to provide page after page of documentation, while China sends a One page self-printed report that says, “a ok.”

Americans gut reaction to a war with China amuses me. China makes the damn equipment (or components) that we would need to fight the war. China makes the damn food that the majority of our population subsists on. When China stole the business, they came in and bought the equipment from auction. Plus China has five times our population.

Even with the rosy optimist view of China is backwater, and not capable of using the knowledge we so freely gave them to destroy us, I know in my gut, if China goes to war with the US, I’m learning Mandarin.

eugend66
eugend66

TeresaE +1.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

Jiggerjuice — VERY nice analysis. llpoh also said that China’s quality is improving greatly. I suppose it is true … IF they want to or more accurately, are forced to. Nevertheless, I’m still pissed off about my slippers and I will continue to boycott purchasing Chinese goods at every possible turn.

Nice writeup on yours also Teresa. Although, I wouldn’t throw in the towel and learn Mandarin just yet. There’s a 5,000 mile ocean in between and they don’t have the will or means to come fight on our shores. Russia is the country that should worry …. gobs and gobs of mineral wealth in Siberia which is very sparsely inhabited. China already has a several cities numbering in the millions on that border. It’ll be Chiberia soon.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

RE — you live a difficult and confused life. An anti-capitalist living AS a capitalist and IN a capitalist society. You might develop schitzophrenia before it’s all over.

This will by my final comment on the matter. Your mistake (imho) is that you can not see llpoh as a Human Being. You have no fucking clue if all the evil things you say about him are true. The mere fact that very few of his employees leave his employ tell me that it is not true. You see him as a Symbol of all that you hate. Fine. It’s easier to hate symbols than humans. But, if you were to try to find some common ground with him you might find that he’s a pretty good guy.

Hey .. if you wanna hate someone hate the rich bastard who is going to buy this $1.1 Billion Dollar Yacht and not some average Joe who makes car parts!

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/b-streets-of-monaco-yacht-a-floating-city/story-e6frfq80-1225986092068

12 Angry Men
12 Angry Men

Lots of fucking Haters here.

Smokey
Smokey

RE reviles llpoh because llpoh represents success and RE is a failure. RE tries to justify his existence by condemning society at large for his own shortcomings. RE sets himself up as the final decider of the Salvation of people who post here. That is such a perversion of spirituality that it is a disgrace, and so at odds with the Truth that it is astonishing. But at least it provides insight into the workings of a small mind. A frustrated, twisted, jealous mind. An individual so insecure in his own existence, that he churns out mind-numbing, meaningless ramblings day after day in hopes that something, anything, will connect with a reader and bring him acceptance, make his pitiful life worthy.

TeresaE
TeresaE

@Eugene thank you

@Stuck, I said IF declared war broke out. I still have hope (small & waning, but hope nonetheless).

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

One of your best oberservations ever Smokey!

Enemey of my enemy, etc … So, are we “tight” again? Please?

Smokey
Smokey

Stuck—–Your shameless flattery will get you nowhere with me. You stabbed me in the back, and then twisted the knife. It hurt. Deep.

StuckInNJ
StuckInNJ

Dammit. Would a blowjob do the trick?

Jiggerjuice
Jiggerjuice

@StuckinNJ:

I have a 2 month old son. When I was buying pacifiers, I checked the back of every single one making sure it didn’t say “made in China” on it.

“BPA free!” — on the back, in tiny print (made in China)

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2008/0917/p01s03-woap.html

Remember the melamine? China is notorious for producing things that kill babies. Basically… for not giving a flying fuuuuuuck… about your or even their own babies. Oh wait, the head of the Chinese FDA (SFDA) was executed for that, so at least they publicly make examples out of people that fuck up TOO hard.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-07/10/content_5424937.htm

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http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/legislation-policy/policy-reports-and-papers/reports/evaluation-of-alleged-unacceptable-formaldehyde-levels-in-clothing

How about spontaneous fucking combustion? The Chinese export clothes with too much formaldehyde, and suddenly, your PJs explode. Made in China, baby!

Long story short, I’ll buy a Made in China screwdriver and expect it to last about 5 uses – yes, that’s what I get for 2 dollars. But for shit I put in my baby’s mouth? I’m pretty sure the Chinese companies that make “BPA free” pacifiers just use whatever plastic is lying around. After all, leaving in the BPA makes them money. They send one BPA free sample to their foreign Quality Assurance team to test, and then ship the rest to stupid Walmart Americans.

Know what you are buying. I bought the pacifiers that were Made in Germany. Chinese shit is unavoidable for the most part, but just keep in mind that all sorts of unexpected nonsense can occur.

LLPOH
LLPOH

Stuck/Smokey – nice analysis. Nice offer too, Stuck.

Good posts Teresa/Jigger.

Smokey
Smokey

Stuck—-As a matter of fact it will. And just as soon as you handle that with RE, we’ll be tight once again.

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