“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill – The Second World War

A butterfly flapped its wings in Tunisia creating a hurricane that is swirling across the globe, wreaking havoc with the existing social order and sweeping away old crumbling institutions and dictatorships. The linear thinking politicians, pundits and thought leaders have been knocked for a loop. They didn’t see it coming and they don’t know where it’s leading. An examination and understanding of history would have revealed that we have been here before. We were here in 1773. We were here in 1860. We were here in 1929. We are here again. The Fourth Turning has returned in its predictable cycle, just as Winter always follows Fall.   


Winston Churchill wrote the definitive history of World War II in 1948. His six volume history detailed the years from the end of World War I through the unconditional surrender of the Axis powers in 1945. Volume I in the series was The Gathering Storm. It covered the second half of the Unraveling and the first ten years of the last Fourth Turning Crisis period. The title fits perfectly with the mood and inevitability of what was destined to occur. All Fourth Turnings resemble Winter, with bitter cold options, biting winds of change, dark days, and destructive storms. The seasons cannot be averted. The Seasons of a year are predictable, as are the seasons of a human life. We’ve entered the Crisis (Winter) season of the latest Saeculum that began in 1946 and will climax sometime around 2025.

“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

The generations are aligned in such a way that an event, incident, or individual action that may have been disregarded or ignored ten years ago will now trigger a worldwide conflagration. The Boston Massacre occurred in1770 during Revolutionary Saeculum. Five colonists were slaughtered by British troops. The mood of the generations was not ready for a Crisis. It wasn’t until three years later that the Boston Tea Party ignited a spark that started a revolution. John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry in 1859 was intended to start a revolution. The populace was not ready. One year later, the election of Abraham Lincoln lit the fuse on the most horrific war in modern history. America experienced a sharp depression in 1920-1921. The country did not spiral into a decade long downturn, culminating in a World War that killed 65 million people. The generational dynamic was not aligned in a way that would lead to that outcome. Instead, the roaring twenties commenced. On December 17, 2010 a man committed a seemingly inconsequential act that has ignited a worldwide firestorm. 


The spark that has enflamed the planet was struck by a 26-year-old Tunisian with a computer science degree named Mohamed Bouazizi, who unable to feed his family, was not allowed by his government to even get a permit to sell vegetables. Bouazizi publicly doused himself with gasoline, lit a match, and burnt not only his own body, but enflamed the consciousness of a world, and its inhabitants, being obliterated by the corrupt wealthy elites who rule the planet. In less than a month the brush fire started by this 26-year-old Tunisian had incinerated the despotic government of his country and forced its “president-for-life”, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, to flee the country. The people’s coup in Tunisia, called the Jasmine Revolution, has sent shockwaves across the globe, spreading wildfires of freedom throughout the Arab world.  The firestorm started by Bouazizi has brought down Mubarak in Egypt and is lapping at the heals of Gaddafi in Libya. Tyrants throughout the world are quivering with fear. The mood of the people across the globe has turned dark and angry. The political class and media are persistently surprised by the reaction of citizens to events during the Fourth Turning.

Historians William Strauss and Neil Howe documented their generational theory in the 1997 book The Fourth Turning. People who prefer blind ideology and believe human existence is a straight line of progress scorn their work as fantasy and pure prophecy. So called progressives misrepresent the theory as predicting the future because they refuse to accept the fact that large groups of human beings of a similar age and having common experiences react in similar predictable ways. It irritates those with an unwavering belief in human individuality. They prefer to ignore the numerous example of mass hysteria throughout history. In just the last 10 years we have experienced an internet boom and a housing boom that convinced millions of Americans to act  simultaneously in a foolish manner . The theory is so logical and measurable that even the most vacuous blond bubble head on Fox News should understand it.

Strauss & Howe have been able to break Anglo-American history into 80 to 100 year (a long human life) Saeculums going back to 1435. Each Saeculum has four generations at different stages of their lives.  A turning is an era with a characteristic social mood, a new twist on how people feel about themselves and their nation.  It results from the aging of the generational constellation.  A society enters a turning once every twenty years or so, when all living generations begin to enter their next phases of life.  Like archetypes and constellations, turnings come four to a saeculum, and always in the same order. In 1997, Strauss & Howe knew when the next Fourth Turning would begin:

The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.”Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

They did not predict events that would ignite the next Fourth Turning. It was how the generations reacted to the events that mattered. The generational constellation is now in the once every 80 year alignment that will lead to chaos, violent change, the sweeping away of the existing social order, and likely war. Strauss & Howe answered why this would happen fourteen years ago: 

“What will propel these events? As the saeculum turns, each of today’s generations will enter a new phase of life, producing a Crisis constellation of Boomer elders, midlife 13ers, young adult Millennials, and children from the new Silent Generation. As each archetype asserts its new social role, American society will reach its peak of potency. The natural order givers will be elder Prophets, the natural order takers young Heroes. The no-nonsense bosses will be midlife Nomads, the sensitive souls the child Artists. No archetypal constellation can match the gravitational power of this one – nor its power to congeal the natural dynamic of human history into new civic purposes. And none can match its potential power to condense countless arguments, anxieties, cynicisms, and pessimisms into one apocalyptic storm.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

I believe my generation is about to experience a rendezvous with destiny. Each generation’s life experiences have prepared them for this hour and the trials that await them. The mood of the country has shifted darkly into a crisis mode. The mainstream media pundits and progressive politicians try to put a positive spin on today’s events, when anyone with the ability to think can see that things will get severely worse in the next ten years. Trust in our institutions, politicians, corporate leaders, media and social order is disintegrating.   

It’s a Matter of Trust

“An initial spark will trigger a chain reaction of unyielding responses and further emergencies. The core elements of these scenarios (debt, civic decay, global disorder) will matter more than the details, which the catalyst will juxtapose and connect in some unknowable way. If foreign societies are also entering a Fourth Turning, this could accelerate the chain reaction.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning


The initial spark that ignited this Fourth Turning was the collapse of the housing market, which began in 2005 and continues today. Home prices collapsed, the fraudulent mortgage loans blew up in the faces of the Wall Street banks that birthed them, and millions of delusional Americans lost their houses in foreclosure. The cascading impact of this implosion brought the American empire of debt to its knees. On September 18, 2008 the U.S. financial system came within hours of complete collapse, as described by Congressman Paul Kanjorski on CPAN:

“On Thursday (Sept 18), at 11am the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous draw-down of money market accounts in the U.S., to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in the matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help and pumped a $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide. We were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.

If they had not done that, their estimation is that by 2pm that afternoon, $5.5 trillion would have been drawn out of the money market system of the U.S., would have collapsed the entire economy of the U.S., and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed. It would have been the end of our economic system and our political system as we know it.”

The implosion of the financial system was created by the actions of the Wall Street financers that have been looting the country for decades. They created mortgage products (no doc, liar loans, Alt-A, negative amortization) designed to encourage people to commit fraud. They purposely promoted this massive fraud because they had perfected the art of derivatives. The issuers of these fraudulent mortgages bore none of the risk from their guaranteed default. They packaged them into MBOs and MBSs, bought AAA ratings from Moodys, and shilled them to pension managers, insurance companies, municipalities, states, and little old ladies. Then they bet against their own products with credit default swaps. Their greed and avarice was so extreme, they leveraged their own balance sheets 40 to 1 and then bought their own toxic waste. When their MBA created models proved to be defective, the entire house of cards collapsed. Strauss and Howe anticipated a financial catalyst related to immense levels of debt would trigger the next Fourth Turning:

It is unlikely that the catalyst will worsen into a full-fledged catastrophe, since the nation will probably find a way to avert the initial danger and stabilize the situation for a while.

After the near collapse of the financial system in September 2008, the authorities took unprecedented actions to avert a Second Great Depression. Henry Paulson, the Goldman Sachs U.S. Treasury Secretary, who had warned his own staff that a Wall Street derivative disaster would happen, immediately reacted like a former Wall Street CEO. He convinced his Harvard MBA boss, George W. Bush, that the only way to save the country was to fork over $700 billion to the Wall Street banks that created the manmade disaster. When Congress initially voted down this banker bribe, Wall Street showed who was boss by crashing the market by 777 points in one day. The bought off politicians in Washington DC then towed the line and passed TARP.

The two and one half years since September 2008 have set the stage for a far worse catastrophe. The Obama administration jammed an $800 billion pork filled stimulus bill down the throats of America, along with home buyer tax credits, loan modification programs, and a healthcare plan that will crush small businesses. The politicians, government bureaucrats, and mainstream media corporate mouthpieces proclaim that their wise and prompt actions averted a Second Great Depression. The government solutions used to “stabilize” the situation have wrought unintended consequences and planted the seeds of further pain and suffering to come. A summary of what has happened in the last few years is in order:

  • On September 18, 2008 the National Debt stood at $9.66 trillion. Today it stands at $14.16 trillion, a 47% increase in 2 1/2 years.
  • The country is running $1.5 trillion annual deficits and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
  • The States are running cumulative budget deficits of $130 billion in FY11 and expect deficits of $112 billion in FY12. This is leading to conflicts with unions, higher taxes and mass layoffs of government workers. 
  • The working age population has risen by 5 million, while the number of employed Americans has declined by 6.5 million. The true unemployment rate has risen from 12% to 22%. 
  • In September 2008 there were 30.8 million Americans on food stamps. Today there are 44 million Americans on food stamps (14% of the U.S. population), a 43% increase in 2 1/2 years. The annual cost has risen by $37 billion, a 100% increase in 2 1/2 years.  
  • Real inflation bottomed at 5% in early 2009, but has accelerated to 9% today, with further increases baked in the cake.
  • Gasoline prices bottomed out at $1.61 per gallon in January 2009 and have risen to $3.54 per gallon today, a 120% increase in just over two years.
  • Households have lost $6.3 trillion of real estate related wealth since the peak of the housing market. Home prices have fallen for six straight months.
  • Almost 3 million homes have been lost to foreclosure since 2007.
  • There are 11.1 million households, or 23.1% of all mortgaged homes, underwater on their mortgages today, with rates above 50% in Nevada, Arizona, California, and Michigan.
  • Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taken over by the US government and have lost $170 billion of taxpayer funds so far. Losses are expected to reach $400 billion. Along with the FHA, they continue to prop up a dead housing market with more bad loans.
  • The Federal Reserve balance sheet in September 2008 consisted of $895 billion of US Treasury bonds. Today it totals $2.55 trillion of toxic mortgages bought from Wall Street banks and Treasury bonds being bought under QE2.
  • The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Dept. intimidated the FASB into allowing Wall Street banks to account for worthless mortgage and real estate loans as fully collectible. Magically, insolvent banks became solvent – on paper.
  • The Dow Jones was 11,700 in late August 2008 and today stands at 12,000. The Dow has risen 84% from its March 2009 low. The top 1% wealthiest Americans own 40% of all the stocks in America, so they are feeling much better.
  • In late 2007, a risk averse senior citizen could get a 5% return on a 6 month CD. Today, after two years of no increases in their Social Security payments, a senior citizen can “earn” .38% on a 6 month CD.
  • The Federal Reserve lowered interest rates to 0% in order to allow the Wall Street banks to borrow for free and earn billions without risk.
  • Over 300 smaller banks have been closed by the FDIC, with losses exceeding $50 billion. There are another 900 banks on the verge of insolvency, with estimated future losses of $100 billion.
  • The Federal Reserve initiated QE2 in November 2010, purchasing $70 billion per month of  Treasury bonds and attempting to create a stock market rally. They have succeeded in creating a tsunami of energy, food, and commodity price inflation across the globe, sparking revolutions among the desperately poor in the Middle East. 
  • Wall Street banks “earned” record profits of $19 billion in 2010 after nearly destroying the worldwide financial system in 2008 and raping the American taxpayer in 2009.
  • No Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for the fraudulent actions committed by their banks.
  • Wall Street banks handed out $43.3 billion in bonuses in 2009/2010 for a job well done. The average Wall Street employee received a $128,000 bonus in 2010. In 2008, the year they crashed the financial system, they still doled out $17.6 billion in bonuses.
  • The median household income in 2007 was $52,163. Today the median household income is $46,326, an 11% decline in three years. Real average weekly earnings are lower today than they were in 1971.   

It is clear from the list above that the oligarchic players that wield the power in this country have chosen to prop up their tottering structure of debt-created-wealth on the backs of the working middle class. The people who have been screwed and continue to be screwed are growing angry and distrustful, as anticipated by Strauss & Howe:

“But as the Crisis mood congeals, people will come to the jarring realization that they have grown helplessly dependent on a teetering edifice of anonymous transactions and paper guarantees. Many Americans won’t know where their savings are, who their employer is, what their pension is, or how their government works. The era will have left the financial world arbitraged and tentacled: Debtors won’t know who holds their notes, homeowners who owns their mortgages, and shareholders who runs their equities – and vice versa.”

The continuing foreclosure crisis has proven that the financial industry’s sole purpose in creating subprime loans, liar loans, Alt-A loans and packaging them into tranches with fake AAA ratings  to be sold off to whatever sucker they could find was to enrich themselves with no care about the future consequences. The owners of the debt can’t prove they own the debt. Lawsuits clog up the court system. Deadbeats occupy houses for longer than two years without making a mortgage payment. Wall Street has created so many complex confusing financial products in their greedy thirst for fees that Harvard MBAs can’t even figure out the mess they have created. The $1.4 quadrillion of outstanding derivatives is truly a weapon of mass worldwide destruction waiting to be triggered. The fraudulent actions of Wall Street, the lies told to the American people by government bureaucrats about the solutions needed, the overstep and obfuscation committed by Ben Bernanke, and the propaganda fed to the masses by the corporate mainstream have destroyed the remaining trust in our institutions. Distrust grows by the day, as Strauss and Howe foresaw in 1997:

“As the Crisis catalyzes, these fears will rush to the surface, jagged and exposed. Distrustful of some things, individuals will feel that their survival requires them to distrust more things. This behavior could cascade into a sudden downward spiral, an implosion of societal trust.”

The growing distrust of financial and governmental institutions was reflected in the angry and sometimes violent town hall meetings with Congressmen during the healthcare debate. An angry on-air rant by financial reporter Rick Santelli ignited the Tea Party movement that eventually swept dozens of candidates into office in a Republican landslide in the 2010 mid-term elections. Societal trust in promises made by politicians is ripping apart. The entitlement benefit promises can’t be kept. Senior citizen and government union beneficiaries are angry. Younger generations don’t want to be left with debt so older generations can have comfortable 25 year retirements. Taxpayers don’t want to pay higher taxes to support gold plated healthcare and pension plans for government union workers. The decades of compromise, denial, apathy and lethargy are over. The mood of the country has changed dramatically. Survival of the country is at stake.  

Volcanic Eruption

“America’s short-term Crisis psychology will catch up to the long-term post-Unraveling fundamentals. This might result in a Great Devaluation, a severe drop in the market price of most financial and real assets. This devaluation could be a short but horrific panic, a free-falling price in a market with no buyers. Or it could be a series of downward ratchets linked to political events that sequentially knock the supports out from under the residual popular trust in the system. As assets devalue, trust will further disintegrate, which will cause assets to devalue further, and so on. Every slide in asset prices, employment, and production will give every generation cause to grow more alarmed. With savings worth less, the new elders will become more dependent on government, just as government becomes less able to pay benefits to them.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

The country has withstood the initial onslaught of this latest Fourth Turning. The Great Devaluation resulted in a 50% stock market crash and a 30% decline in home values. Rather than allowing home values to fall to their fair value, the government used tax credits and loan modification programs to prop up home prices. Rather than liquidating insolvent Wall Street banks in an orderly bankruptcy, the government and Federal Reserve chose to use accounting gimmicks and borrowed taxpayer funds to save those who had taken excessive risks and reaped hundreds of billions in profits. The government has systematically “adjusted” every economic statistic in order to paint the most optimistic view possible. Unemployment, inflation, government debt, and GDP are all manipulated in the most positive light.

Many people understand that you cannot solve a debt problem by issuing more debt. They understand that politicians have overpromised Social Security and Medicare benefits to the tune of $100 trillion. They understand that if you cover 30 million more people in your healthcare system, it will cost hundreds of billions more. They understand that mega-corporations have shipped their manufacturing jobs overseas, and they aren’t coming back. They understand spending $800 billion per year, policing the world, fighting two wars of choice, with hundreds of military bases across the globe is unsustainable. They understand that running $1.5 trillion deficits will eventually result in a collapse of the U.S. dollar. They understand that an individual or a country cannot borrow their way to prosperity. The U.S. government is essentially bankrupt and dependent upon Ben Bernanke’s printing press to keep up the appearance of solvency.

Fingers of tension and instability run through every aspect of American society. Pressure is building beneath the surface. The last year and a half have proven to be a liquidity driven lull. The appearance of stability does not mean our situation has stabilized. The actions of those in power have created a vastly more dangerous scenario for the next decade. The volcano is erupting and the lava is flowing along the channels of distress, as described by Strauss & Howe:

Imagine some national (and probably global) volcanic eruption, initially flowing along channels of distress that were created during the Unraveling era and further widened by the catalyst. Trying to foresee where the eruption will go once it bursts free of the channels is like trying to predict the exact fault line of an earthquake. All you know in advance is something about the molten ingredients of the climax, which could include the following:

  • Economic distress, with public debt in default, entitlement trust funds in bankruptcy, mounting poverty and unemployment, trade wars, collapsing financial markets, and hyperinflation (or deflation)
  • Social distress, with violence fueled by class, race, nativism, or religion and abetted by armed gangs, underground militias, and mercenaries hired by walled communities
  • Political distress, with institutional collapse, open tax revolts, one-party hegemony, major constitutional change, secessionism, authoritarianism, and altered national borders
  • Military distress, with war against terrorists or foreign regimes equipped with weapons of mass destruction 

Strauss & Howe did not predict specific events that would occur during the next Fourth Turning. As trained historians and economists, they simply analyzed the environment created by our leaders over the last few decades. If the thought leaders in the country had not been blinded by their ideological biases, they would have seen that the next Fourth Turning Crisis would be channeled by un-payable debt obligations, reckless financial schemes, religious ideology, political corruption, class warfare, foreign conflicts, and terrorism. The molten ingredients are travelling along the channels outlined above. What happens next is anybody’s guess. 

The economic distress worsens for the average American every day. The recovery propaganda circulated by the power elite through the mass media is a fraud. Only those with wealth and power have recovered. The middle class sinks further into poverty and despair. Unemployment remains at Depression levels and the entire economic faux recovery rests with Ben Bernanke’s printing press. The only question that remains is whether the United States experiences a deflationary collapse or a hyper-inflationary collapse. The country is currently experiencing stagflation as the things we need (energy, food, clothing) inflate, while wages stagnate and our home values deflate. Bernanke and his minions at the Federal Reserve will choose inflation as their poison because it will allow their banker masters to pilage the remaining wealth of the middle class before the final collapse of the U.S. dollar.

Social distress has manifested itself over the last year in Arizona as the illegal immigration issue has turned violent, with State government and Federal government in conflict. The social welfare net is being strained through the payment of billions in unemployment compensation, food stamps, and other welfare programs. When this net breaks, all hell will break loose in the decaying urban Mecca’s. Political distress is at historic levels as the Tea Party battles liberals and its own neo-con Republican establishment. States are refusing to implement the Federally mandated Obamacare. Governors are battling teacher’s unions, firemen unions, and police unions in an effort to regain control of their out of control budgets. The 2012 elections could prove to be a tipping point for the country.

Military distress is already extreme, even before a major conflict is thrust upon the country. The two wars of choice in the Middle East have drained trillions from the treasury of a declining empire. The all volunteer military has been stretched to the breaking point. The multi-billion dollar high tech weaponry has proven useless against “terrorists” who fade into mountains until they can strike again. As revolution erupts across the Middle East, the U.S. is helpless and has no credibility, as they have propped up the thugs and dictators who are slaughtering their people. The daily  intensification of volcanic eruptions across the globe is clearly evident to all but the most linear thinkers. We’ve entered the Fourth Turning and there is no turning back.     

Prophecy or Destiny

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice.  Eventually, all of America’s lesser problems will combine into one giant problem. The very survival of the society will feel at stake, as leaders lead and people follow. The emergent society may be something better, a nation that sustains its Framers’ visions with a robust new pride. Or it may be something unspeakably worse. The Fourth Turning will be a time of glory or ruin.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

The election of Barack Obama in 2008 did not usher in a sweeping political realignment of the country. The actions he has taken in the last two years have maintained the status quo. The financial industry complex, military industrial complex, and big pharma complex are stronger and more powerful today than they were in 2008. The 2010 midterm elections were a decisive rejection of Obama’s policies. Those who think he will be re-elected in 2012 are not seeing the big picture. Previous Fourth Turnings have ushered in strong dominating Prophet (Boomer) leaders who used any means necessary to bring the country through the Crisis. Wishy washy politically calculating compromiser leaders do not cut it during a time of intense Crisis. The number of vulnerable Democratic Senators up for re-election in 2012 virtually insures that Republicans will control both houses of Congress in 2012. A legitimate 3rd Party candidate does not appear to be on the horizon. The onset of phase two of the economic meltdown will determine the next President of the United States.

Before the 2012 elections, I expect a violent downturn in our economic fortunes spurred by a continued fall in real estate values, generating more debt losses for the financial industry, and a loss of confidence in the U.S. fiat currency, as our foreign creditors balk at lending more money to an already insolvent empire that is incapable of taking corrective budgetary actions. The resulting economic turmoil, crashing stock market, rising interest rates, and massive unemployment will lead the nation to seek a strong, decisive, authoritative leader who will boldly lead the country through the remainder of the Crisis. Will it be Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Chris Christie, or a Lincoln like figure who hasn’t even entered the national stage yet? This question is unanswerable today. But, the country will turn to someone with answers. Strauss and Howe clearly state how important the next 10 to 15 years will be:  

“Decisive events will occur – events so vast, powerful, and unique that they lie beyond today’s wildest hypotheses. These events will inspire great documents and speeches, visions of a new political order being framed. People will discover a hitherto unimagined capacity to fight and die, and to let their children fight and die, for a communal cause. The Spirit of America will return, because there will be no other choice. Thus will Americans reenact the great ancient myth of the ekpyrosis. Thus will we achieve our next rendezvous with destiny.”

I’m convinced that decisive events will transpire over the next decade that will push our country to the brink. The country is on an unsustainable path and we will either crash and burn or take the actions needed to avert catastrophe. Vast powerful events on an incomprehensible scale await. Events as farfetched as a Weimar like hyperinflationary economic collapse, the detonation of a nuclear bomb in a major American city, the secession of one or more States from the Union, the collapse of our oil based economy due to peak oil and/or revolution and turmoil in the Middle East, or a worldwide pandemic, will become not only realistic, but probable. Are these events any more improbable than a 9.0 earthquake, leading to a 33 foot high tsunami wave, which triggers nuclear meltdowns at two separate nuclear power plants? If you had outlined that scenario a week ago, you would have been classified as a crazy prophet of doom.   

At this point in time, it doesn’t seem possible that a communal cause could rejuvenate the Spirit of America in a manner that would lead me to be willing to fight and die or send my three sons to fight and die. An imminent threat, such as the Axis Powers during World War II, the North and South seeing each other as a threat during the Civil War, or the threat from a foreign empire during the American Revolution, does not appear evident today. The war on terror is a concept, rather than a real war. The absence of a known foreign adversary makes me think that the conflict could center on our own soil between Americans. Strauss and Howe point out that history does not offer much hope in avoiding armed conflict during this Fourth Turning:  

“History offers even more sobering warnings: Armed confrontation usually occurs around the climax of Crisis. If there is confrontation, it is likely to lead to war. This could be any kind of war – class war, sectional war, war against global anarchists or terrorists, or superpower war. If there is war, it is likely to culminate in total war, fought until the losing side has been rendered nil – its will broken, territory taken, and leaders captured.”

When it comes to what kind of armed confrontation, how about all of the above? The wealth distribution of the country is more heavily skewed to the “Haves” versus the “Have Nots” than any time in history. The austerity measures that are being proposed on the backs of the middle class and senior citizens, while ultra-rich bankers have been bailed out and allowed to continue pillaging the countryside, will surely lead to class conflict. Generational warfare between the Boomers who want what they are “owed” and younger generations stuck with the bill will flare up in the coming years. The country has become so ideological that it can be easily split into Red States and Blue States. Could this ideological divide result in the country splitting into two or three independent countries? Would the Federal government use the armed forces to maintain one country? It happened before.

The war on terror concept has been in place for the last ten years and has resulted in draining the Treasury of trillions, exhausting our limited volunteer forces, and creating more terrorists than existed on September 10, 2001. The revolutions sweeping across Northern Africa and the Middle East are not cause for celebration in Washington DC. American foreign policy has centered on supporting thugs, despots, and dictators across this region with financial aid and weapons. The aid was absconded and sent to bank vaults in Switzerland. The weapons are being used to kill the poor revolutionaries across the region. Two American backed dictators have been deposed thus far, with Yemen likely to follow. Our allies in the region are falling with lightening speed. The loss of Saudi Arabia would portend dire consequences for the U.S. If the Middle East oil spigot is turned off, the American way of life will wither and die. 

The myth of American Exceptionalism will not protect the country from the revolutionary tsunami that is sweeping the globe. America was not chosen by God as the country that would lead the world for eternity. The hubris and overreach of the American empire has bankrupted the nation. Greed, corruption and arrogance are not limited to North African dictatorships. Crony capitalism supporting a vast military empire, financed by a banker controlled Federal Reserve has failed. Its failure will become clear as the Fourth Turning intensifies and sweeps away the old order. Who or what replaces the old order is unknown. Much will depend on the generations and their response to the Crisis.   

Bad Moon Rising

Robert Strauss and Neil Howe had no interest in trying to predict the future. As historians, they wanted to understand how the past could give clues to what would happen in the future. They discovered a pattern of behavior by generational archetypes across centuries of Anglo-American history. They identified the issues that would drive the next Fourth Turning. They predicted the timing. The accuracy of their prophecy thus far, has been uncanny. The rhythms of history continue. The outcome of this Crisis is unknowable, but there is most certainly a bad moon rising. 

Thus might the next Fourth Turning end in apocalypse – or glory. The nation could be ruined, its democracy destroyed, and millions of people scattered or killed. Or America could enter a new golden age, triumphantly applying shared values to improve the human condition. The rhythms of history do not reveal the outcome of the coming Crisis; all they suggest is the timing and dimension. – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see earthquakes and lightning.
I see bad times today.

Don’t go around tonight,
Well, it’s bound to take your life,
There’s a bad moon on the rise.

I hear hurricanes ablowing.
I know the end is coming soon.
I fear rivers over flowing.
I hear the voice of rage and ruin.

Hope you got your things together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like we’re in for nasty weather.
One eye is taken for an eye.

Credence Clearwater Revival – Bad Moon Rising


263 thoughts on “THE GATHERING STORM”

  1. Excellent article, Admin.

    The events in Japan are likely to increase the rate of spin on the downward spiral of the whirlpool the planet is heading for. Japan is an extremely wealthy country, and the Japanese catastrophe can only mean one thing for poorer countries: they will get poorer and even less stable.

    Japan will, in its recovery efforts, start to purchase huge amounts of commodities from the global markets, from food grains to (eventually) oil. The increased demand will drive up even further the already increasing commodity prices.

    Which leaves the poorer countries in a pickle. Businesses and governments can’t afford the increased prices. Drives up local prices for just about everything. People can’t afford it. Unrest. Lots of unrest.

    And we share a very long and porous border with an extremely corrupt Third World nation.

  2. poor dodge, the 7M thing is as worn out as smokey’s tube steak.

    really, make your best guess for the geopolitical situation in 2025. not strauss and howe, jim quinns best guess. inquiring minds want to.know.


  3. “Winston Churchill wrote the definitive history of World War II in 1948 ” .

    Correct , Churchill was in a mad rush to create the smokescreen that would cover his tracks in getting the whole damn show off to a bloody start.He did not want history painting him as the insane blood thirsty aristocracy he in fact was.
    And WC had a nice hand in fomenting WWI as well.

    Buchanan rakes Churchill’s greasy ass ass over the coals in his book Churchill, Hitler, and “The Unnecessary War”: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

    Was World War II worth it?
    “Other questions arise. If Britain endured six years of war and hundreds of thousands of dead in a war she declared to defend Polish freedom, and Polish freedom was lost to communism, how can we say Britain won the war?

    If the West went to war to stop Hitler from dominating Eastern and Central Europe, and Eastern and Central Europe ended up under a tyranny even more odious, as Bush implies, did Western Civilization win the war?

    In 1938, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Czechoslovakia. Chamberlain refused. In 1939, Churchill wanted Britain to fight for Poland. Chamberlain agreed. At the end of the war Churchill wanted and got, Czechoslovakia and Poland were in Stalin’s empire.

    How, then, can men proclaim Churchill “Man of the Century”?” Pat Bucharest

  4. [email protected] says:

    Oh, FFFF. Yet ANOTHER, Jim Quinn masterpiece. (No, I am not kissin’ ass, just recognizing genius when I see it.)

    How to respond?

    I feel like I am at the crest of this:

  5. [email protected] says:

    Oh hell, I forgot my graphic.

  6. [email protected] says:

    Crap, I did it AGAIN.


    Except that I am NOT that guy on the surfboard, that is probably some guy from Goldman Sachs.

    I, and most of humanity, is probably part of this:


  7. Pat Buchanan is an unabashed protectionist cur. That is a fact.

    Neville Chamberlain was a proud cur.

    Winston Churchill is universally regarded by historians as a great man. For good reason.

  8. Good article, Jim, as usual.

    And now, everyone sleep tight and have beautiful dreams. My “We Are Doomed” cup just set up a sympathetic vibration atop my printer and popped off glaze as I read the article.

    I’m glad to be a Silent and I really don’t need any of this shit.


  9. Smokey, define protectionism.

    You know as much about Churchill as you do toilet etiquette.

    I’ ve got as much faith in mainstream historians as I do a shred of truth emanating from that shithole in DC that passes for a nation government,

  10. [email protected] says:

    @Muck: Don’t be such a freaking pussy. I am currently watching Elliot Ness (Kevin Costner) and his side-kick played by the inestimable Sean Connery take down a Capone whiskey-$USD transfer at the US-Canadian border.

    MEN who faced automatic weapons fire. MEN who could not be bought off. MEN who stared evil and corruption in the face and said NO MORE.

    So, Muck, although I truely like you, are YOU one of these MEN?

    Because I AM, even though I am a GIRL.

    And it just ain’t Muck. Are there any more real MEN out there, anymore?

  11. ‘Greed, corruption and arrogance are not limited to North African dictatorships. Crony capitalism supporting a vast military empire, financed by a banker controlled Federal Reserve has failed. Its failure will become clear as the Fourth Turning intensifies and sweeps away the old order.’

    Great stuff Jim; The African thugs learned their thieving craft from Western thugs.

    But hopeful this corrupt nest egg built by the Thugacracy about to be cracked. It appears Anon ratchets the game up a notch in demanding Bernan ckes resignation and an end to rule by oligarchy.. ..this could get damn interesting fast

    A99 Operation Empire State Rebellion – Communication #1

    Hacker Group Anonymous Brings Peaceful Revolution To America: Will Engage In Civil Disobedience Until Bernanke Steps Down

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/12/2011 21:30 -0500

    The world’s most (in)famous hacker group – Anonymous – known for effectively shutting down their hacking nemesis security firm (with clients such as Morgan Stanley and, unfortunately for them, Bank of America)- HBGary, advocating the cause of Wikileaks, and the threat made by one of its members that evidence of fraud by Bank of America will be released on Monday, has just launched communication #1 in its Operation “Empire State Rebellion.” The goal – engage in “a relentless campaign of non-violent, peaceful, civil disobedience” until Ben Bernanke steps down and the “Primary Dealers within the Federal Reserve banking system be broken up and held accountable for rigging markets and destroying the global economy effective immediately.”

    The Anonymous manifesto:

    * We are a decentralized non-violent resistance movement, which seeks to restore the rule of law and fight back against the organized criminal class.
    * One-tenth of one percent of the population has consolidated wealth in unprecedented fashion and launched an all-out economic war against 99.9% of the population.
    * We are not affiliated with either wing of the two-party oligarchy. We seek an end to the corrupted two-party system by ending the campaign finance and lobbying racket.
    * Above all, we aim to break up the global banking cartel centered at the Federal Reserve, International Monetary Fund, Bank of International Settlement and World Bank.
    * We demand that the primary dealers within the Federal Reserve banking system be broken up and held accountable for rigging markets and destroying the global economy, effective immediately.
    * As a first sign of good faith we demand Ben Bernanke step down as Federal Reserve chairman.
    * Until our demands are met and a rule of law is restored, we will engage in a relentless campaign of non-violent, peaceful, civil disobedience.
    * In our next communication we will announce Operation Empire State Rebellion.

    Glorious Chairman Ben – our free advice to you: change your e-mail password stat…

  12. Carodox,

    The Administrator is the ONE person you do not want to fuck with. He is arguably the baddest person alive.

    You want to fuck with Mike Tyson? Fine. Bitch slap him.

    You want to fuck with a rottweiler? Child’s play.

    But do NOT, under any circumstances, piss off the Administrator.

    You’d rather jack off a mountain lion in a phone booth with barbed wire than fuck with the Administrator.

    The Administrator is the author of this fine article.

  13. @ [email protected]

    When I was a I kid I spent a lot of time in Austin hanging out a joint called the Armadillo World Headquarters…ever hear of it?

  14. flash,

    I don’t need to define protectionism. There is nothing to debate.

    Pat Buchanan openly advocates protectionism. That was damn near his entire fucking platform in both his presidential campaigns.

    NOBODY (except you ) disputes this.

    JFC, google it if you doubt it.

  15. RE

    I would expect the country to be operating on a much more local scale due to the lack of oil and the collapse of our debt based financial system. I have no clue how much death and destruction will occur beforehand, but I fear it will be large.


    I think you are right about Japan. This disaster could push them and the world over the edge. I see higher energy and commodity prices and higher interest rates. I see Bernanke printing more money. This will not end well.


    Thanks. I was drinking green tea from my Doom Mug while finishing off this article today.


    I’m going to save that tribute and use it against you on the War for Oil article.

  16. @Hopeful-where-nothing moves:

    You dare call me a pussy? I’ve served my time, got shot at in the service of the FSofA (before it turned into an America I don’t recognize), volunteered my time and body to help ordinary people in distress because I could and achieved a significant amount of physical damage one time defending two women from the advances of several assholes who were insisting on their right to rape and pillage.

    So kiss my ass, lady. A fucking TV program is fantasy. Wait until your butt is on the line and see if you have the balls to stand up and be counted. Until you do, go play with yourself and watch Kevin Costner jack off in a corner of a movie screen that has nothing to do with real life.

    You are living in a fantasy. Keep it off here. TBP is real world and never forget it.

    Yours despicably,


  17. Smokey – What you call Protectionism I call Fair Trade. There is no animal such as the misnomer free trade when it’s with countries that have no labor regulations, EPA standards minimum wages or massive taxation and licensing fees. I agree with Pat 100% .America first.

  18. [email protected] says:

    @flash: Sadly, no. I spent most of my time in medical school in Houston trying not to spend one extra (thin) dime out of my (meager) budget. When I wasn’t studying my (limited) brains out, I was trying to fulfill my Army Reserve requirements.

    Now, however, I am in a VERY different space/time continuuuuuummmm. If you are up for margharitas, or whatever, at this Armidillo W-HG, my treat for the first round, you only have to say.

    My email is [email protected].

    Actually, it looks like there is a lot of Texas folks on this board, how about a meet up?

  19. The war may be, as Max Keiser says, the Global Insurrection Against Banker Occupation. The government, unfortunately, will most likely be wholly owned by the bankers by then.

    And the reason that ordinary, individual citizens come forward to fight will be, as the Admin himself clearly and passionately stated, the seizure of all 401K’s and pension assets by the Kleptocracy.

    Admin himself noted that he would grab a gun and shells and march to Washington. That will be the catalyst, the last straw, the final end of the rule of law.

  20. [email protected] says:

    If you are up for margharitas, or whatever, at this Armidillo W-HG, my treat for the first round, you only have to say.

    Thanks for the kind offer , but sadly the ‘dillo was torn down in ’81 and the last time was in Texas there was this little altercation with a Texas Ranger that ended with a large caliber wheel gun pointed at my forehead head and I’m still not sure I’m even allowed back in the state….but I do love Texas.The best state I’ve ever lived in or visited. The native Texans are 100% real good folk .cept the law of course.

  21. [email protected] says:

    @Muck: AHHH, that was great. No seriously, I KNEW you had that mojo in you. You do not disappoint.

    Just keep that fire burning so you can continue to defend those that cannot defend themselves, that’s all I ask. Because your last several posts had me wondering about you.

    And, also, because, sadly, our nation seems to be populated by limp-wristed metrosexuals who can’t find their collective derriers’s with both hands and a map.

    And yes, I do live in the real world, a woman in a man’s world, fortunately, this is NOT difficult, lol.

    Geez, what a state we’re in when a GIRL has to provoke the MANLINESS

  22. [email protected] says:

    Ooops, ahem, too quick on the submit button, premature posting, lol.


    The MANLY MAN ‘ness that I KNOW is out there.

    FWIW: Real women love and appreciate REAL MEN.

  23. A fine summary of how screwed we are, admin.

    One nit: Mitt Romney as a decisive leader? You can’t be serious. The man couldn’t lead his way out of a soggy paper bag. But he’s got great hair. Should serve the country well when we’re sinking into the abyss.

  24. [email protected] says:

    @flash: Oh, what a shame, very few people in my social circle have a fucking clue about what is going on, oh well.

    @Muck: Dude, it is BOTH the bucks and the does that come into season during deer season. Heh, heh, you can pick off either one of them. HOWEVER, it ALWAYS takes 2 to tango. Wimmins needs mens, mens need wimmins. In life, as in on the TBP, there is always two sides to every story.

    And now to bed. I have chickens to feed at daybreak and a 12 week old yellow lab puppy that will need a potty break in 3 hours and I am not as young as I used to be, lol.

    Although that, as in most things: It is not the years, it is the mileage.

  25. NOBODY, not even the Illuminati FUCKS with ANONYMOUS.

    Anonymous is the UNION of the smart and disenfranchised. Anonymous is the POWER of the collective. Anonymous are the BORG.



  26. Reverse Engineer says:

    NOBODY, not even the Illuminati FUCKS with ANONYMOUS.

    Supposedly tomorrow morning ANON drops the hammer on BOA.
    Yeah. gotta get more popcorn.

    Bank Of America Leak: Anonymous, WikiLeaks Sympathizer, Plans …
    45 minutes ago
    Anonymous, a hacker group sympathetic to WikiLeaks, plans to release e-mails obtained from Bank of America Corp early Monday morning, according to posts on …
    Huffington Post – 44 related articles – Shared by 20+

  27. Smokeless, you’re as welcome as a fart in an elevator. Why don’t you just go away?

    Assuming you won’t, maybe you can enlighten everyone about Mitt’s CV. Tell us about his wonderful stint as governor of Taxachusetts. And that health care plan he foisted on the state has all the hallmarks of the fucking disaster that awaits us with Obamacare.

    Go ahead, Smokeless. Dazzle us with Mitt’s track record. Be sure to ignore the lies, half-truths, flip-flops, and all the other greasy things he’s renowned for.

  28. And fuck you too, FLASH….

    I have been stimulated by the very best (Brazilian ladies learn what it’s all about at 14, enjoy it all their lives and take the prize “hands down” !).


  29. That a grand cycle of human interaction and epic events is at work doesn’t seem so outlandish these days, that’s for sure. That Strauss and Howe have taken this esoteric subject and have found in their research any sort of discernable pattern of human events is ominous against the backround of our world’s events these days.

    In the face of horrendous events, the crucible of changes, communication, warfare, and distorted data the “storm” sure seems to be arriving. Troubles in the world seem to have the end-game of hanging questions built in. If anything could be said for certain, it is that the youngsters… the millenials… the kids today, are going to be the ones dealing with this head on.

    How they deal with this too is really up in the air. The ones I know (I’m a childless Xer) all seem smarter than I thought I was at their age. Anybody else notice that, or is it just me? My nieces and nephews really amaze me in that respect every time I see them. Other than that, I see such a mixture of contradictory morals and a worldview in the 20-somethings I know, that I am both encouraged and scared shitless…

    Something tells me these kids are going to step up in a big way when the intensity of events picks up. But that’s just a gut feeling.

    The specifics about the future are up in the air. That we’re all fucked in general right now isn’t so much.

    Geat piece, Admin. Get’s me thinking without just the lizard brain.

  30. Steve Hogan,

    Romney is a consensus builder who works across party lines as necessary. His work at the Olympics is legend, and an excellent indication of how he would perform as president.

    He’s not a fucking CUR, like Rand and Ron Paul. Instead, he believes in defending this country from diaper wearing Islamic extremists.

  31. Romney’s a consensus-builder, eh Smokeless? There’s another term for that. It’s called bipartisanship, which means Democrats and Republicans agreeing to fuck the American people. We don’t need consensus. We need someone with a backbone. A big pair of cajones too. Mitt couldn’t balance his checkbook, and he certainly isn’t going to lead the US out of the disaster that awaits. The man is an empty suit. You’re too damn stupid to figure that out.

    As for the diaper-wearing Islamic extremists, they number in the hundreds, and almost every one of them is an extremist because we’re over there killing their families. Ever heard of blowback, asshole? Of course not. You’re too busy sucking Mitt’s dick to crack open a book and read about our disastrous foreign policy.

  32. Romney is a man of the people who wouldn’t be afraid to go to the 30 blocks and anounce that there will be no SNAP… we need ballsy, hip leadership to lead the way through this fourth turning.

    He’s down with the bling bling:

  33. Steve Hogan,

    Coming from an admitted anarchist, I have a rough time taking you seriously. I mean, shit, from someone who openly rejects the Constitution of the USA, you have a lot to say about the way things should work.

    Was 9/11 blowback, douchebag ? Was the first WTC attack blowback, faggot ? How about the USS Cole, cocksucker ? How about our embassies that were hit in the eighties, dicksucker, at Riyadh and Libya? All of those are pre 9/11.

    How about the HUNDREDS of terrorist attacks by Islamic radicals against countries overseas since 9/11 ? Were those attacks blowback, cocksucker?

    To even make a goddamn asinine statement that Islamic extremists number in the hundreds shows the world what a goddamn fool you are.

    I tossed your wife a cup of Sticky Stuff last night. She gulped it down and had a big smile on her face afterwards. She sucks dick like a champ.

  34. the problem with strauss and howe is one of limited vision. they only see “saeculums”, basically generational history. they go no deeper into the supercycle of civilizations which has aperiodicity around 1632 years long. strauss and howe are generally accurate for the limited scope they consider, but not helpful in understanding civilizaation supercycles. so their fourth turning stuff is of only limited utility in this situation.


  35. Hope – you talk about defending those who cannot defwnd themselves. Unfortunately this group is expanding out of control, aided and abetted by or government at every turn. We are growing the Free Shit Army on a daily basis, and are creating untold millions who are unable to defend themselves. I for one have no interest in defending their sorry asses.

    Neither do I have any interest in defending too many who cannot defend themselves overseas. Churchill is spot on – these folks could have acted early and pitched the wannabe dictators out early and easily. But no, that didn’t happen. Now that the situation is unbearable, pretty please come help us by enforcing a no fly zone, etc. Fuck that.

    I am happy to help the truly defenseless. Unfortunately the definition currently in play is one I do not recognize.

  36. Smokey vs Steve Hogan

    Smokey is fucking ruthless so I have my money on him although, I agree with Steve that 9/11 was blowback.

  37. Good God, Smokeless. You have GOT to be the dumbest fuck on the planet. Do you think US foreign policy began on 9/10/2001? Are you that stupid?

    Who has blindly supported Israel against the Palestinians since 1948?

    Who had bases in Saudi Arabia, the holiest of Islamic sites, during the 1990s?

    Who overthrew the democratically elected government in Iran in 1953, leading to the Islamic Republic we’re dealing with today?

    Who imposed the most barbaric economic sanctions against Iraq for a decade, leading to the deaths of hundred of thousands of innocent children?

    Who started two elective, illegal, unconstitutional wars against Islamic countries that posed no risk to US national security?

    Who has been propping up repressive dictators throughout the Middle East for more than 40 years?

    Are you connecting the dots, Smokeless? Go ahead. Make another revolting comment about my wife, because you’re too fucking stupid to make a rational argument.

  38. Steve Hogan,

    The wars are not unconstitutional. If they were unconstitutional, the case would have been taken pro bono by any of tens of thousands of attorneys looking to make a name or write a book.

    Since you obviously are too fucking stupid to know, the US Congress approved of the military proceedings underway now. If they did not approve, DUMBASS, they’d bring the troops home.

    Please tell me that you don’t really believe that USA economic sanctions led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent children. You can’t be that goddamn stupid. A fucking brain dead mongoloid would not contend something that is on it’s face is so obviously and absurdly incorrect.

    I meant no disrespect to your wife. She promised me that she’s going to swallow a full pint of my baby batter tomorrow night, right after she takes it up the ass from Leroy, the bagboy at your local supermarket.

  39. Jim,

    Great piece. I agreed with every point you made. History textbooks will have to be rewritten every year from now. We are living in extraordinary times. I hope our country comes together and turns this crisis into an opportunity for glory not ruin. The world is officially fed up with the status quo. It’s time for a revolution.

  40. Smokeless,

    Your ignorance defies all boundaries. Are you on drugs? Seek help.

    Lawyers working pro bono suing the government? Has it dawned on you that the government, by virtue of its monopoly on the use of legalized violence, gets to determine who can sue them? It’s a difficult concept for mental giants such as yourself.

    Iraqi deaths from the sanctions are a figment of my imagination? Have you heard of Google? Hello:

    Congress would bring the troops home without a war declaration? Western Europe? Japan? South Korea? The Balkans? No wars, no war declarations. The troops are still there. Are your brainwaves still firing in sequence?

    Care to explain the discrepancy between your twisted views and reality? Or maybe you should divert attention from your breathtaking ignorance with more insults about my wife. Maybe some of the dimmer readers on this site will buy it.

  41. I’ve been following The Fourth Turning Forum and website since around 2000 or earlier. What I do agree with is: we do not know the outcome of this turning. I actually expect it to be the last of these turnings. Because this turning is on a global scale now.

    What is important to realize is that fate does not drive our future. The future is driven by our will (where we place our heart). The key is to “stand firm.” Act with intention. Expect joy. Funnel love. Tell the truth. Sacrifice the self. Humble oneself. And mostly hold desperately onto our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    The path is non-linear. There are two paths. Both will be realized.

  42. Steve Hogan,

    You didn’t say deaths from sanctions, Retard. You said, “deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent children.” And we both know that is a fucking lie. Don’t we, Asshole?

    Read for comprehension, FOOL. I said that if the wars were ILLEGAL, that Congress would bring the troops home. But since the war is NOT illegal, the troops stay. Get it, Dumbass?

    The ELECTED Congress authorized the use of force, imbecile.

    Goddamn, you are one dumbass. I notice you’ve ratcheted down your anarchist rhetoric because of the historic ass-whipping I put on you the last time you were spewing your ignorant shit on this site.

    By the way, your whore wife made me promise to wash her tonsils this coming weekend with a half pint of my Single Celled Soldiers.

  43. “The decades of compromise, denial, apathy and lethargy are over. The mood of the country has changed dramatically.” — Admin

    Really? Despite all the SHIT this country has endured this past decade — and you do about as good a job as anybody on the net detailing it —— all I really see is apathy and lethargy.

    Where is the outrage? Where are the protests? Where is the fighting … physical fighting if need be (and it needs to be)? Where is a single LEADER of this 4th Turning … telling us who to fight, when to fight, and yes, who to kill if need be (and it needs to be).

    They take about all our Liberties, one by one, and we just watch. FFFF, even TSA goons can grab our junk and we just shrug it off as the cost of flying. No big deal. The PAtriot Act — a manifesto the nazis would have been proud of — ah, hell let’s just renew it … and not a peep from the sheeple.

    Well, we did have one big-assed series of protests in Wisconsin. But that didn’t really have anything to do with the 4th Turning, did it? Just a bunch of unionistas wanting to keep their free shit. Bleh!!!

    I want a revolution!!!!! I want to shoot a fucking banker … (and get away with it). I want to be part of a lynch mob that hangs a fucking backstabbing dishonest thieving politician. I’m too old to lead, but not to old to follow …. but who will lead the charge?

  44. Smokeless,

    I take comfort in knowing that you’re not only suffering from drug-induced stupidity, but that your reading comprehension isn’t so hot either. Read my claim from 11:19 and compare it with your claim from 12:32 about death and sanctions. English isn’t your first language, is it? If half a dozen different sources are claiming hundreds of thousands dead from sanctions, what evidence do you have to the contrary? [crickets chirping]

    Congress making an authorization against a tactic (terrorism) is not a war declaration, one which they haven’t managed to make since the 1940s. This omission permits the executive to execute pilotless drone strikes in places like Pakistan (our ally?) and Yemen, killing people indiscriminately. A normal human being would question whether such a policy is producing terrorists rather than eliminating them, but you’re about as far from normal as they get.

    Keep making insults about my wife. I’m sure it’s persuading the masses.

  45. For those interested in possible/probable scenarios for “whats next” –

    “The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse” by Fernando Ferfal Aguirre.
    “Climate Wars” – Gwynne Dyer (even if you believe global warming is bullshit read anyway – thought provoking stuff).
    and if things really go to shit, “The Hunger Games” – Suzanne Collins.

    Happy reading, may God have mercy on us all.

  46. MuckAbout says:

    I have been stimulated by the very best (Brazilian ladies learn what it’s all about at 14, enjoy it all their lives and take the prize “hands down” !).

    Thanks muck for sharing that Mohamed moment
    I’m sure the Rio slums need more 14 years old breeding like rabbits.

  47. @flash: Good post on the “freedom”. I absolutely hate having to live my life by permission and yet that’s what has gotten down to.

    As far as Brazilian ladies, sorry, they are no more rabbits breeding in a slum than Admin has blacks breeding in the 30 blocks.

    Let me tell you though, the average Brazilian woman has class, knows what’s what and has a zest for real life that’s becoming in short supply in our own environs.

    Over four years in and out of that lovely country (and yes, at the time, the politics sucked – but they are getting better at it) I never met a Brazilian I didn’t like. Except once in Recife when I walked unknowingly into a riot and got poked. But even then, when the guy found out I was an American, he apologized, bought me a drink and got me ice for the mouse he gave me!

    Plus, here lately, I’ve made a pile of profits in the Real. I have a sunny outlook for Brazil..


  48. MA- I know exactly what you mean …exactly the reason many American men are marrying Asian women over the home grown femi-NaZI sluts our pulbic indoctrination system turn out in massive quantities. I used to love being around large groups of women when i was kid , now I can take on take their “I feel’ conversation one on one.
    I used to manage 75 women employees. Probable the most miserable time in my life. My ear ached constantly from clenching my jaw so hard in an attempt not to scream at the fucking drama queens.

  49. What a bunch of scribblers and keystroke masturbators! You find it simultaneously necessary and easy to use use profanity in your scribblings. Get this. The fourth turning of the current saeculum will completely destroy the division of labor. Your touch-typing skills will be worthless, as will your abuse of the English tongue. Step away from the computer! Go outside and start those raised beds NOW, or suffer the lot of the Moslem hordes.

  50. Looks like Zero Hedge picked this one up. Nice work.

    Personally, I think this is going to take a few years longer than the next election cycle — voters are schizoid and seem to be all about backlash. For example, there’s a weird dance going on in Congress where each side wants the other to “go first” and put Social Security and Medicare on the budget table. They’re all worried about backlash, and there’s really an absence of leadership. Heck, hardly anyone wants to even announce that they are running for president.

    Potential leaders aren’t really standing up and people aren’t ready yet to throw in en masse behind one political faction or another. I think there has to be a lot more pain before that happens — like a hyper-inflationary or deflationary episode. More people losing their life savings and living in the streets or squatting. Right now 2016 is looking more like the critical presidential election. Whoever gets elected in 2012 may just end up holding the bag when it blows up.

  51. Steve Hogan,

    At 11:19 of this thread you said, “Who imposed the most barbaric economic sanctions against Iraq for a decade, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent children? ”

    When I easily exposed that absurd statement as a lie, you provided google links at 12:01 of this thread to various sanction articles, as if those random sanction articles proved that hundreds of thousands of innocent children were killed by sanctions.

    You are full of shit, and you belong to that Hate-America club, the group that ALWAYS blames America first. I’ve read other posts of yours on this site where you claimed that America is the evilest empire in the history of the world. I am assuming that would include Hitler, Josef Stalin, Pol Pot and the rest of the murderous dictators who slaughtered tens of millions of people.

    You have stated on this blog that you support anarchy in this country. That would make a hell of a lot of sense here. No laws in a country of 300 million people.

    You are a warped little faggot pussy.

  52. Happy reading for my Monday morning. Dammit, knew better than to log in here.

    Saturday went to a kid’s birthday party at that bastion of American-Exceptionalism, Chuck-E’s the kids place.

    First, someone needs to remind me to take a Xanax before doing things like that.

    The party was for a 6 year girl, there were 10 parties going on simultaneously so it was a nuthouse. The girl’s parents are Ford workers, as are the grandparents, cousins, friends, etc. Throw in a couple state workers to round out the fact that I was surrounded by the direct beneficiaries of my lifetime of work.

    We are a whole freaking lot of pain away from any “awakening.” The unionists are bawling because they are being “screwed.” The non-unionists are spending free government cash in the guise of tax “refunds” on $300 kids parties (more than many of these families make in a week) and cheap, Chinese made, designer-labeled clothing. ALL of the them are re-discovering their credit cards as their two years “austerity” has taken its toll and dammit, we deserve it.

    Lots of pain. Horrific pain. We have stood back and allowed the slaughter of the way of life for MILLIONS of our fellow citizens and then gone out and signed up for a $300 a month cable bill to better utilize our TVs that end up costing $3000 because of the beauty of compound interest.

    The odds of the people I see pulling their heads out of their asses and taking care of themselves and business are NIL. They will en masse run to the government crying, “help us, feed us, help us.”

    I see a long road ahead that will be lined with bodybags and fascism. And that is without some unforeseen natural/war /accident occurs.

    As for our generation’s “rendezvous with destiny,” it brings forth the question, “are we prepared?”

    Admin, our generation is morally corrupt, fat, sick and broke. Doesn’t bode well for us. And the longer the masses ignore what is coming, the worse it will be. Can anyone else imagine the world the second week after insulin, Xanax, Twinkies, Tater Tots and cigarettes cease existence?

    Scary shit. Good luck all and nice job Admin.

  53. Flash — You have posted that “Freedom” article before … and I LOVE it every time. Also, I do not believe you managed 75 women. That’s impossible. I;m pretty sure they managed YOU! lol

    Anonymous — to enlarge print hit the “ctrl” and plus key. (That works on IE).

    Smokey — are you upset with Steve because he says sanctions kill … or that he says it killed “hundreds of thousands”. I think the actual figure is debateable. However, of course sanctions kill. Try living hand-to-mouth in destitute poverty … and then let someone come along and take even you most basic supplies/food away … and see how you survive. Your single-celled soldiers will die a cruel and horrible death.

  54. Stuck,

    Hogan’s a fucking psycho. Of course sanctions have caused deaths. But “hundreds of thousands of innocent children “? Give me a fucking break. There weren’t hundreds of thousands of “innocent ” children killed in the goddamn multi-year war in Iraq, much less from sanctions.

    Hogan always writes alarmist, extremist, populist shit so as to gin up support from readers and feel better about himself. Classic example—“innocent ” children. I guess that means as opposed to all the guilty children running around. Hundreds of thousands my fat ass.

    He says all this radical alarmist nonsense without thinking it through. Like how he believes this country would be best suited for anarchy. That is just fucking insane it’s so over the top.

  55. The English and the US have always bringing destruction to the whole world to please their masters. They have been killers all the way . Churchill and Roosevelt began the second world war ( not the other way around) and since all the wars come from the same direction

    1. bob

      Are you fucking nuts? Were those German Panzers that swept into Poland, France and Belgium in 1938? You nutjobs need to depart this site before I kick you in the balls so hard they’ll come out your mouth.

  56. Jim, the tanks back then didn’t have GPS, so the Germans just got lost, and poof, next thing you know they’re in Poland. Picked up a couple Kielbassii’s, annexed the country, and then went home.

    Then they went into Belgium just to get some chocolates. Everything would have been just fine, but no, Roosevelt just days prior got sick eating some German sausage so he sent a telegram overseas ordering them to fire upon the Germans. The Germans were so pissed they invaded France.

    Bob is correct. This is how WWII got started.

    1. Stuck

      Thanks for the historical clarification. I must have lost my mind. That Roosevelt was a devious MF. I apologize to bob.

  57. TeresaE says:

    Saturday went to a kid’s birthday party at that bastion of American-Exceptionalism, Chuck-E’s the kids place.

    First, someone needs to remind me to take a Xanax before doing things like that.

    I feel your pain.
    Ain’t no way in Hades I could be forcibly dragged into a Chucky Cheeze Hell sans atrocious murdergation.

    Chucky Cheese Hell

    Stuck – Sometimes i still hear the terrifying menstrual whine of 75 hens sorting out their daily pecking order. but there is hope. I have consulted a physician for relief via lobotomy

  58. James Dale Davidson and Lord Rees-Moog wrote a book named The Great Awakening that I read in 1993…….could not believe what I read. However, they were spot on….. I sold the techs in 99’s closing days and bought precious metals on the cheap……real cheap.

  59. “It is clear from the list above that the oligarchic players that wield the power in this country have chosen to prop up their tottering structure of debt-created-wealth on the backs of the working middle class.”

    Please define ‘working middle class’.

    Is it $50k/year annual salary/wage?

    Is it $100k/year annual salary/wage?

    What is the ‘salary-cap’ limit before the number transforms a hitherto ‘working middle class’ person, into a (non-working?) class Mega-Zillionaire who does nothing but rob the ‘working man’ to line his own pockets…?

    If I go to school, put myself through college, start out at a company, work my way up to say perhaps – the director level, work an average of 70 hours/week, save my earnings, etc., etc., am I a ‘working man’?

    Or, does using one’s Mind and resources to elevate himself into the higher-strata of business – and the subsequent ‘wealth’ that goes along with those efforts, somehow transform him into a ‘Greedy Oligarch’?

    Please do not fall for, promulgate or elevate the Class Warfare distinctions that defined the political tactics of Roosevelt and Ted Kennedy…

    You are smarter and better than that.


    As far as this country ‘coming together’…?

    We are a Fractured Nation. We no longer have a common bond.

    – There are those who believe in Government, Uber-Alles.

    – There are those who believe in the Military-Industrial Complex, Uber-Alles.

    – And finally, there are those who believe in the basic tenets of our Founding Principles – namely, Liberty above all else.

    Professor Igor Panarin will likely be proven correct.

  60. Anonymous says: Tis I.

    There is no excuse for waging total war on civilian populations e.g. , not in Iraq , not in Afghanistan, not in Germany and not even in Cuba.Childless grade school vindictiveness is not in way a mark of greatness.
    The starvation of Germany by blockade after WWI led to the death of a approximately a million civilian deaths all of which were absolutely unnecessary .Churchill was complacent as was he in the of thousands of Indian deaths by starvationt .
    And anyone who decry the evils of Stalin should be aware that Stalin was not only an ally, but was often referred to as Uncle Joe by the that piece of collectivist shit Roosevelt .
    If you starve my family to death , you will be my enemy for ever .This is what the CIA has termed “blowback” .
    There are no heroes in the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people. Not Hilter , not Stalin , Not Roosevelt, not Lincoln and no other megalomaniac that ever engaged in Rule by Slaughter.

    “The blockade was maintained for eight months after the Armistice in November 1918, into the following year of 1919, in order to force Germany to sign the controversial Treaty of Versailles in June 1919. For the German people these were the most devastating months of the blockade – with the German fleet interned at Scapa Flow Germany was powerless to challenge the blockade at sea, and with the German Army compelled to withdraw to pre-war frontiers the Germans lost access to the resources of the eastern territories.”

  61. I can not fucking believe Bob got 4 (so far) thumbs up. You four are fucking douchbag dickheads of the highest order. I shit on your faces and piss on your graves.

  62. WE ARE NOW IN THE STORM>>>>>>>>>>>……..hold your legs and bend over & kiss your sweetn ass GOODBYE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  63. “I would expect the country to be operating on a much more local scale due to the lack of oil and the collapse of our debt based financial system. I have no clue how much death and destruction will occur beforehand, but I fear it will be large.”-Admin

    Wow. You really went out on a limb with that prediction! Could you be a little more specific? Try a few of these questions:

    1) Will the FSofA still exist or will we break up a l the Soviet Union into regional or state goobermints?

    2) Will people still be dirving cars around as personal transportation? How will they be powered?

    3) What form of Goobermint will be running your State/Region or the FSofA if it still exists as a political unit?

    4) What will the monetary system be based on and who will run it?

    5) What will become af the $Trillions of Debt everybody owes to everybody else?

    7) Will Nuclear Weapons be used in any wars fought between now and 2025?

    8) Will the wars be over in 2025?

    9) Will people still be living in Suburban McMansions? If not, where will they be living?

    10) Will most people have electricity and running water in their homes, wherever they are?


  64. @Agent.

    I would have written what you did concerning the “pull yourself up” by your bootstraps, bust your ass and rise to the top not many years ago.

    But, reality is except for a mere handful, that train has left the station.

    And the GD admission reps at the college still haven’t admitted it.

    While you may be lucky enough to have the connections to rise from nobody to big boss, the BULK of us do not.

    Twenty years, hell ten, years ago you could go forth and start a small company and if you were smart, had a great product or service and could get financed grow that baby into a pretty fabulous deal. I just don’t see it happening much anymore. Unless, of course, you have the right connections.

    This country is afloat in cronyism at EVERY level, the American dream has been gifted to 5% of the population. The rest of us get to pay for it.

  65. Administrator and StuckInNJ name calling is not the right way. Also, its wrong keeping the people out of the discussion´´ which are not in the name calling business ´´
    Ok guys , … I see it different , Bob wasn’t entirely wrong with his opinion. I do have some facts for you.
    Germany where trying to avoid the war for al reasons. But it was long made up to destroy Germany.
    Read this
    Did Hitler Want War ? Patrick J. Buchanan – September 1, 2009
    (The British where successful to manipulate the Polish in atrocities against the German minorities in Poland . ( Big part of Poland was stolen from the Germans after WW!)
    The Polish Bolsheviks kill 58,000 German Nationals in the Danzig corridor In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor)

    Read this Bloody Sunday of Bromberg: Why Hitler Invaded Poland

    Do you know what the sane group have been around Roosevelt
    and Bush
    Look it up.
    Eisenhower’s Death Camps

    And now the 64 million question for the knowitall…
    Who owns the fed , who owns the media worldwide, the bank s in general , Hollywood.. the printing companies ? guess who?
    Bob wasn’t dead wrong
    .. its my guess

  66. @RE: that’s a cool smiley for #8. WordPress keeps on doing things you don’t expect!

    @TeresaE: Chin up babe. You volunteered for the ChuckE experience, so take your meds and do it.
    (I’ve never been in one and never will!). Your other comments are apt..

    @flash: I’ve supervised women before – unionized IBEW bitchez at that.. But only in limited numbers. I’d think 75 gathered in one place would float enough estrogen to effectively castrate any male within a mile.


  67. “Administrator and StuckInNJ name calling is not the right way.” — Peter Bainger

    Peter, did your father bang your sister? Only that would explain your retarded “Eisenhower death camps” bullshit … only to be outdone by asking if Hitler wanted war.

    Please don’t consider the following name calling. I am merely asserting facts.

    You are a dumbfuk.
    You have shit for brains.
    You are a reason abortion should be legal.
    You are proof natural selection doesn’t always work.
    Please do not have children, but if you do give them up for adoption.
    If I were you I would buy a 44 magnum, stick it in my mouth, and pull the trigger.

    1. Stuck

      I think your response to peter wanker was reasoned and balanced. Well done. To think, someone accusing us of name calling. How uncivil.

  68. “Smokey vs Steve Hogan Smokey is fucking ruthless so I have my money on him” — jmarz

    I hope you’re better at picking stocks.

    Smokey 10 Thumbs Up —– 79 Thumbs Down

    Steve H 91 Thumbs Up —– 10 Thumbs Down

    Somebody’s single celled soldiers are taking a major ass whupping.

  69. Who are you to say what God is or has done? These bozozs say either the best or the worse will happen and they are prophets. what a bunch of self indulgent bullshit

  70. Stuck says: “I can not believe Bob got 4 thumbs up…”
    My big hands hit the thums down on my tiny touchscreen on accident all the time.
    The thumb tally eats shit.

    Jmarz was right. Hogan was destroyed by the Ultimate Warrior by virtue of technical knock out… or the single cell soldiers. Take yur pick

  71. wow. the power of the repeated lie, times the internet.

    josef goebbel’s specific lies live on 62 year later. i am sincerely impressed. the poles were asking for it, with their short skirt and tight sweater.

    the stinkiest, most hateful, most offensive load of absolute bullshit washed through a melting down uranium reactor core i have ever seen on this website. and trust, that is a high fucking bar.

    otherwise, loving this thread.

    1. howard

      You don’t know hateful and ignorant. You never experienced David Pierre before I banned him. He shows up on Zero Hedge on every article I write. Here is what he wrote today:

      by DavidPierre
      on Mon, 03/14/2011 – 12:53

      The Fourth Turning…

      Shallow catholic rhetoric… more aptly named The 4th Turd … faith-based tripe … “bring back tradition!” it screams… a true believer’s rote catechism.

      The 4th Turd is prescriptive, traditionalist, ‘virtue-cratic’, mombo-jombo, mixed with puritanism and a dash of Tipper Gore. Bring back values like honour and duty, observe decency in personal conduct, discipline, develop tighter societal standards, traditional virtues.

      When it’s not talking about early historical eras, the book is bemoaning the ever-branching diversity of choices and lifestyles in modern life or criticizing the edginess of pop culture.

      All the absurd theory about supposed cycles of the supposed generations, the fabled historical parallels, the dire warning that a new era of crisis is to come, is just an excuse to tell readers to prepare for a crisis era that may or may not be coming by celebrating the importance of authority; cease unconventional behaviour in an era that will demand conformity, and settling down to focus on prescribed values. A hollow diatribe, pushing to get back to trust in public institutions and in the government… more restrictions on personal behaviour.

      Advice to set up strict regimes of rules, zero tolerance of conflicting opinions, demands on conduct and development to make sure that children can grow up to be the next ‘HERO’ generation, as they are corraled as fodder for the eternal crusades… a heavily conservative bent sticking out like a sore thumb, no doubt reflecting some of the attitudes and wishes of the infamous liar, SmokeyQuinn.

      The theory about “generations” and “turnings”, the quotes and events of early historical generations are only fished out of the shallow AmeriKlan Sea, and, more importantly, ignore the rest of the world… only to find a few lame examples that will make the generations seem to fit into the imaginary pattern.

      Worse yet, the portraits painted of the four recurring generational archetypes in the whannabee theory, the predications are incredibly vague and sound like weakly created parodies.
      Of course many theories will run into a FEW problems like this, but The 4th Turd is whipped up to sound just convincing enough to sell an authoritarian ideology.

      Though there is some element of truth in The 4th Turd, certainly mankind’s recorded experiences have been one of cyclical ebb and flow, one cannot make anywhere near the many pat characterizations and conclusive and farfetched leaps of simple reason and logic.

      If intended as a work of propaganda, the book is perfect, for all good propaganda contains enough of an element of probable truth to be plausible.

      Most everything in this book is arranged and written with the assumption that the thesis is essentially correct, a mode which is overreaching, suspect, and at best sloppy.

      The wholesale grading & categorization of people is facile, diminishing, and overly fatalistic.

      The book is an oligarchic collectivist’s wet dream. The warning is that we are but mindless automatons, locked in an endless and stupid cycle of mass destruction, following our collectivist predestination, but that we might fail and then woe is to us. A stock false choice if there ever was one.

      Either these guys were commissioned to write this stuff, or they have a more than adequate knack for figuring out which way the ill wind is blowing and sucking up to the NWO Elites for fun and profit.

      Where in The 4th Turd is the experience of Korea, Viet Nam, the Cold War, all the endless wars, Globalism, consumer society, etc. etc.?

      The TRUTH of September 11, 2001, when it is dealt with openly and properly, will be the pivot to the next TURNING.

      Truth might finally emerge someday in the semi-consciousness of people like SmokeyQuinn? Best take that ameriKlan ring out of your nose!

      1. howard

        David Pierre is an American deserter 9/11 nutjob living in the backwoods of British Columbia who is partial to sheep.

        1. Howard

          Any of David Pierre’s post that seems coherent was cut and pasted from someone else. He is incapable of making a cogent point due to his syphilis.

  72. Vintage TheresaE quotes:

    “We are a whole freaking lot of pain away from any “awakening.””


    “The odds of the people I see pulling their heads out of their asses and taking care of themselves and business are NIL.”

    A-freaking-men. I was just noticing this today, regarding Social Security. I am amazed at the number of people who still think there is actual money sitting in a trust fund that they think is going to last until 2037. We should be well on the way to the “acceptance” level of how untrue this is, but a huge number of people are still stuck in “denial.”

    And even of the people who understand how bad it is, all you hear is, ‘I want back what I paid in,’ because ‘I haven’t saved any money’ and ‘I’m sick of my job.’

  73. It is quite possible that the United States in the fourth turning of a fourth turning given that this fourth turning is the fourth, fourth turning in our relatively short history. It is even possible that as RE states there is an even bigger super cycle occuring globally that will have profound effects beyond a “normal” fourth turning.
    A third of US wages are in the form of govt transfers. This will keep overt rebellion to a minimum. However, one should watch for the signs of covert rebellion which has started and is slowly picking up steam. Eventually, it will boil to the surface and come ashore like a massive tidal wave. People don’t necessary need guns and violence to force change. It can be passive aggressive. Eventually, the elite will get pissed off and strike back. They are already circling the wagons because they know it is coming.

  74. Stuck,

    Some of us don’t measure our self worth by thumb counts on a blog.

    ESPECIALLY when we openly advocate a strong military while simultaneously disrespecting Ron and Rand Paul on what is probably THE most libertarian web site on the entire internet.

    If thumbs up were important to me, I would parrot the appeasement lines of the curs who won’t take their hands off their nuts and fight back when attacked by radical extremists.

    Instead, like a fucking MAN, instead of a CUR, I boldly and proudly say that RON AND RAND PAUL EAT SHIT.

    Thumb that, COCKSUCKERS.

  75. “You have the answers for all those questions, so why ask?”-Admin

    Because I am interested in what YOUR opinion is, not Strauss & Howe generalities.

    Saying “life will look a lot different in 2025” and “it might be better or it might be worse” is pretty useless from a planning point of view. Think of this as giving your best advice to your readers as to what Jim Quinn thinks the world will look like in 2025. Inquiring minds want to know.


    1. RE

      I’m going to keep the secret to myself. I’ll give you a tidbit though. I predict that Alaska will explode in a tremendous ball of lava and then be buried under a 500 foot high tsunami. The resulting devastation will reveal a new type of fuel that will power the world for generations to follow. Somehow, Sarah Palin will survive and be elected president of the US. Sadly, your log cabin will be obliterated and all that will be left is a pile of bullshit.

  76. @Jim Quinn

    Let me translate that last statement from Jim Quinn Napalm into Plain English:

    “I haven’t got any creative ideas of my own, so I just copy paste just parrot Strauss & Howe.”


    1. RE

      Now don’t get mad. I was just joshing you.

      Making predictions is a fool’s game. I’ll leave that to you.

      Strauss & Howe didn’t predict anything. They just tried to understand the stress points in our society. I know that annoys you, but so be it. I don’t give a fuck what you think.

  77. Why are you being so insistent? Do you really need him to blow smoke up your derriere?

    Aside from very rough generalities, like S&H’s, quarter century predictions are about as useless as an asshole on your elbow.

  78. Jim,

    I’ve been reading your articles for a couple of years and really appreciate your viewpoint. However, I find it reprehensible that Smokey is allowed to spew such filth and unwarranted insults on your comment board. It damages your credibility to allow such postings. I could not and will not recommend your site to other friends and family members as long as such ugly content is allowed here. This is not my team.

    1. Observer

      I don’t recommend this site to the faint of heart. I don’t censor comments. If the dialogue is too nasty for people, they don’t need to read the comments. The no holds barred wild west nature of the site is what sets it apart from the mainstream drivel you get on other sites. If you think it gets nasty on this site, wait until this Fourth Turning really gets going. Surviving TBP prepares you for hard times.

  79. Irrationalizer said,

    “Aside from very rough generalities, like S&H’s, quarter century predictions are about as useless as an asshole on your elbow.” You bet.

    And that’s exactly why I’ve got a huge problem with the Global Warmers, who conveniently changed their name to “Climate Changers.” Fucking can’t lose with that asinine label.

    Computer modeling out to 2050 or 2100, or whatever date they’re focused on today, eats shit. Oceanographers who make a LIVING studying El Nino or La Nina can’t predict which one will come next any further out than four fucking MONTHS. And they’ve got instrumentation all over the Pacific for currents and temperature, satellite imagery, etc to help them. Four months!!

    And we’re supposed to buy their computer modeling 40-90 years down the road and ignore stuff like the Ice Age, the 400-500 year Medieval Warming Period, and the mini Ice Age of the 18th and 19th Centuries.

    Those fuckers have just about 150 years of reasonably accurate temperature recordings of the planet. Much less if you include Africa. Not even a sneeze in the planet’s time spectrum.

  80. Observer,

    Quit being such a pussy.

    You know, I just don’t think this web site survives without your recommendation to family and friends. On second thought, perhaps your family and friends eat shit like you, so it’s no major loss to this blog.

    You claim, dipshit, that you’ve been reading Jim’s articles for a couple of years. Then of course you know that the language on this thread is nothing new.

    By the way, faggot, since you’ve been reading Jim’s articles for a couple of years, you know that I don’t have a monopoly on foul language. Nearly every regular member here, including the Administrator, has participated in many fine foul-mouthed battles.

    Since you are so big on censoring, how about censor my 11 1/2″ dick.

  81. Gee, Observer..

    ¢3N$0R1NG 15N’T [email protected]

  82. Observer

    You will find that sanctimoniousness gets you nowhere here.

    No one is forcing you to be vulgar. If you don’t like it then don’t engage in it. But please don’t also tell others how to behave or run their website.

  83. Colma Rising,

    Administrator’s comment applies to you as well.

    If you don’t care for the comments, tough shit.

  84. ahhh, life at TBP house: Jim is the dad who runs the show and is very smart and well read. SSS is the gramps on the porch with the shotgun and a million stories that are worth listening to. Smokey is running around the yard throwing rocks at the neighbors house and then mooning them, and what happened to the crazy cousins like llpoh and kill bill?

  85. I don’t know about Kill Bill, but I am busy trying to hump the neighbor’s daughter while her dad is shooting at Smokey.

  86. Admin – I been wondering the same thing. Last I heard he received this books, and went off to read. Hope he shows up soon. I miss his photos.

  87. If you don’t care for the comments, tough shit. -Smokey

    Hah. This from a demented dent head who wails like a newborn filling his diaper with jalapeno peppers when I make three comments in a row,

    Stay assy doctor proctor.

  88. KB,

    I’m not sure that was Colma Rising.

    BTW, I seldom bitch about your triple posts. I’ve only mentioned it once or twice.

  89. matt says: maybe KB got run over trying to cross the street on his tricycle.

    Naw, I got stuck in a big asshole in the middle of the road disguising itself as a pot hole named matt. Luckily my trike had a wench and I pulled myself out of the spunk filled colon.

  90. KB,
    Hey buddy, how’s it going? BTW, I think it’s called a winch, a wench is some floozie you have alot of drinks with and talk dirty to.

  91. If the Tea Party cretins are allowed to direct the changes you correctly envision, America will look like Germany after the carpet bombing ended in May 1945.
    For hope, look to the streets of Madison.

  92. Besides all that, you never read such inventive prose on any other web site. May be ugly, but with the exception of Smokie who only gets ebullient when he really gets pissed, all the ugly language just keeps the bible thumpers, wimpers, whiners and weenie waggers away.

    All the better for it. It’s like cruising 16 whorehouses. After the first two, it all looks the same.


  93. No, Smokey that wasn’t me… a doppelganger’s at work. Not like me. The wife comments are the best part of the comment section, for fuck’s sake.

    I have an idea who it is… the passive/aggressive doppelganger… but I suspect he likes the Mogambo too.

    Name changes? My suspicion is that thc4sss is eclapdix… what do you guys think?

    Rest assured I will never whine about language…

  94. Colma – what a waffling pussy. You call Smokey out, then crawdad like a little girl, and try to blame a doppleganger – how lame is that. Stand up to him – he will still respect you in the morning.

  95. Colma,

    Pretty certain it was Stuck. He has a history of those cowardly acts.

    Disregard LLPOH, he’s just tired of seeing me torch everyone else, and wants to see me and you mix it up.

  96. I have been reading your posts for about a year and this is my first comment. Just wonted to let you know that I enjoyed this piece a lot great job. I am a big fan of Strauss & Howe I think they got it dead on. Look forward to more of your thoughts.

  97. Welcome Nomad. Now get that keyboard heated up. Go forth and lurk no more.

    Smokey – now would I try to antagonize a fight? Really? Me?

  98. Why not? Everyone else seems a little scratchy today. Must be the mini-rads that are on the wind coming to CA.

    Actually, so many Black Swans flew out of the in the last week, it’s hard to process it and integrate it all. Things just keep popping.

    Wonder what will have gone to shit when we wake up. Since there is only one more reactor building in the complex to blow up, that’ll probably be it. Then the poor bastards have four meltdowns on their hands in one complex.

    I can hardly wait to see the morning news on TBP – get up early Admin and keeps us peons updated on all the good stuff..


  99. Admin – you are going to fuck up a good plan, aren’t you? I laid this out, and with a bit of luck I could get a whole shitstorm started, and you are screwing with it. No one likes a tattle tale.

  100. Stuck will pay for that dastardly deed.

    Colma Rising and LLPOH are two of my closest allies. That despicable action will not go unanswered. I will bide my time.

    The perfect opportunity will be days or weeks from now shortly after Stuck has finished a friendly sincere conversation with a newbie. I will make certain that Stuck is not lurking, and then I will impersonate him in a vile, personal and profane nature to the newbie. Stuck will find out too late, when he later returns to the smoldering rubble of the radioactive fallout.

  101. llpoh: I see that you have a logged in character so you are not a doppelganger… or ARE you? No matter. Even if Smokey and I duked it out, which I would admitedly get pulverized doing, I would thumbs up his rips. Why? Because that’s some funny shit. I think that by even saying it’s funny I’m gonna get a Joe Pesci Effect thrown my way eventually.

    I didn’t decide to post here, after lurking behind mossy tombstones for so long, without the full understanding that I would eventually be napalmed into a corner I couldn’t possibly fight my way out of.

    The “Are You An Austrian?” quiz at says I’m a C+ Austrian Economist. If the fact that I believe that strong military, public roads and… yes… that I think unions, at their best, are reactions to a world dominated by the corporate shield, makes me a C+ Libertarian, so be it.

    My worldview is shaped by the massive amount of dead people in my backyard.

    As long as pillowbiting truthers and America Hating dueschtard anarchists are being napalmed in a way that includes wives, daughters and mothers gulping down colorfully explatives of semen I will gladly offer a thumbs up.

    Fuck Switzerland anyways. They can’t even do what their supposed to do anyway. Who the fuck came up with a “frozen” SWISS account anyway?

  102. Colma – the Swiss love frozen accounts – love them to death. They have BILLIONS in frozen accounts going back to WWII. “Oh, so sorry, you don’t have the password – too fucking bad your folks died in the camps – now fuck off.” The Swiss banks eat shit.

  103. Admin – but you killed off the prime suspect! I had a traingle fuck set up – Stuck, Colma and Smokey.

    Smokey was going to fry Colma, Colma was going to plead innocence an run for cover, and then Smokey was going to look for the most obvious suspect – Stuck. Unfortunately, Colma started crying innocent too soon, so I had to try to get the Stuck angle going before I was ready. I was even going to stick RE’s nose in it for good measure.

  104. llpoh: Agreed.

    I just noticed I used “Anyway/s” three times in the last sentence of my last post. It’s because I’ve realized that the Swiss are useless to me.

  105. I have a hunch that Doppleganger is Punk.

    Tell you what Administrator. If you will reveal the identity of the dastardly villain, I’ll send Stuck over to give you a blow job.

  106. Colma Doppleganger,

    I notice that LLPOH is conspicuously absent from your orchestrated gang bang.

    Is there something you’d like to tell us?

  107. Colma Doppelganger is obviously scared shitless of including me in such a plot – I have a very long memory. The mere mention of my name has sent him into hiding.

  108. I have not impersonated anyone on this thread.

    Smokey, why insult BOTH admin and myself. Neither of us are homos. Jim has beautiful Avalon. I have beautiful Ms Freud.

    YOU are the one who is alone with a $1.99 blowup doll. Ms. Freud told me that what you are doing is called “Projection”. Therefore, your blowup doll isn’t even a female … you have a male doll that you suck off. Do you do it every night?




    The fucking CUR didn’t have the balls to make the original statement in his own name, so he stole Colma Rising’s name.

    I KNEW the statement came from the heart, even though the chicken shit used an alias.

    He’s followed us all night, because he signed up on Stuck’s other thread, the ESPN thread.



  110. Dammit to hell! Forgot who I was for a moment! Bwahahaha! There is a moral to the story – even when caught red handed – lie. And when the initial plan goes astray, hang in there, an opportunity may arise. Too bad I fucked myself – this still had some milage in it. I still was gonna suck in RE.

  111. Smokey – It was a good plan. Colma is a bit cocky for a newby – he needs to tangle with you or SSS or some such to bed in. And Stuck is always fucking with the dopppelganger shit, so it is easy to point someone in his direction. Plus it was too quiet on the western front – no eclpitdick to fuck with, no Manning article – just this Japanese shit – and people get all politicaly correct on me if I suggest a weanie roast is in order. The best available was the dipstick telling you to watch your mouth, so I ran with it. With no Punk around, someone has to stir up some shit.

  112. Mike said,

    “If the Tea Party cretins are allowed to direct the changes you correctly envision, America will look like Germany after the carpet bombing ended in May 1945. For hope, look to the streets of Madison.”

    What hope for America do you see in the streets of Madison, Mike? Simple question. I’m sure you have a simple, straightforward answer.

    Question two. Given your description of the Tea Party members as cretins, who do you suggest direct the changes this country needs?

  113. SSS – I think Mike sounds like a public servant let-me-live-on-the-taxpayer-teat-forever kinda guy. I think he would like to see Borat Obama remain in charge.

  114. Smokey – I gotta keep you fighting fit so when they drop all this Japanese shit and the real fighting starts you won’t have lost your edge. Hell, I thought you might even THANK me for the workout. That’s what I get for being so damned considerate.

    Colma was smart – he managed to tiptoe away. Gotta give him credit.

  115. I would appreciate that all of you refer to “Colma Doppelganger” as the more accurate title of “The Doppelganger”.

    I’ll wash the name Colma out dat bitches mouth with my DICK.

    At any rate… what America’s youth today will do about tomorrow’s choices is the riddle of this 4th Turning. Maybe asking what we’d of done if the world was the same for any of us is a clue.

    Keep on topic, for fucks sake

  116. Smokey – as much as Colma is doing well, he is still young and impressionable, and you wouldn’t really want him to overreach himself as so tender an age, would you? The doppelganger was a bit of good fun, meant as a bit of jousting, and I knew he would come out reasonably unscathed and more suspicious. But to propose he attempt an actual ass-whupping, well, that is a bit of a reach. I suggested he stand up to you, not commit suicide.

  117. LLPOH and Smokey:

    While you’ve been luring me into a firefight in the den, so to speak, we’ve been distracted from the fact that Canadians pass themselves off as moderate, peacefull and generous benefactors on the world stage when we ALL know that their pitiful warmongery will play a bloody role in this fourth turning…

    There. That ought to stir up some shit for sure. On topic. Contoversial. Truth.

  118. The real problem, of course, are the MASSES who GIVE power to the “elite.” Why? Becuase we are STATUS-ADDICTED SOCIAL-CLIMBERS. This leads to a “rich get richer, starve the hungry” mentality that sends people to extremes of wealth or poverty, with many impoverished so enamored of those who have wealth and power that they give them…MORE WEALTH AND POWER!

    Case in point: I warned in 1993, after seeing the inner workings of Arthur Anderson (a partner CPA making $275.00 an hour, and three CPAs billing $125.00 an hour, all for a database project that could have been done with me at $10.00 an hour for the lawfirm I had just quit previously; Anderson paid me $11.00 an hour). Right there, I saw the problem:

    1. America is corrupt.

    2. Men in power go along with the corruption, becuase it yields money and power, which attracts women.

    3. Women reward corrupt men sexually, because it leads to wealth and power.

    4. Whistleblowers are exterminated, not just by those in power, but by WITNESSES, most of whom don’t want to jeopardize their own paychecks.

    5. The media is as corrupt as the policitians and the corporations, so it has no interest in broadcasting the truth.

    6. Even if the media DID broadcast the truth, and called for true change, the public would simply tune out. If the public cared about this stuff in the first place, the media would cover it. To say otherwise is like blaming the media for centerfolds being beautiful women, instead of fat, ugly women.

    7. A “new media” DID come up, and while a few free-thinkers use it as a gathering square, most people still want to see “credibility” in the form of TV shows, book deals, and all the things made completely irrlevant by the internet. Big media went from ignoring the internet, to marginalizing it, to trying to scare everyone off of it, to finally acting as if its own websites are cool, but anything not connected to Big Media is “fringe.” Easier to marginalize us than harm or threaten us, I suppose.

    As for the VOTERS, what do you expect them to do if they can’t even handle things like Wisconsin. America is like a big family that knows it is broke, yet no family members want to sacrifice. I may be the best qualified presidential candidate of all (if I run): I’m a BANKRUPTCY PARALEGAL. What you call a debt problem, we call a MATH PROBLEM. If this country REALLY wanted to get out of debht, it could be done very quickly. You reorganize as in chapters 7, 11, and 13, where appropriate. If not, nature will do it for us anyway. When I see government unionized workers whining about losing a few grand from their $50k+ salaries, only the force of national bankruptcy will wake them up.

    I mean hey, if YOU wanted this budget balaned, you’d be endorsing ME. Are you? Hell, you’d at least take the time to interview me and publicize my plan, becuase you sure as hell don’t seem to have one.

    Ray Gordon
    Bettor Off Single: Why Commitment Is A Bad Gamble For Men

  119. The hyperinflationary argument is almost impossible with a reserve currency in a nation which can, if pushed, survive on its own natural resources.

    Oh, and if anyone thinks we’re broke: the land on which Central Park sits was assessed at $528 billion in 2005. Unless Japan is planning to attack us again, I doubt we need any of the Pacific Islands, including Hawaii. Can they not be sold, and the citizens repatriated if they so choose?

    The worst we get with the dollar inflation is what we had in the 1970s. While not a picnice, the debt will be monetized (or bankrupted) away, and life will go on. This is like Wargames, where the computer says the world is blowing up, but common sense says otherwise. If the wealthy don’t act right, and do so now, they wind up broke like the rest of us. We built from CAVES to our modern society now; logn-term growth potential is strong.

    Anyone who is against ENERGY rationing doesn’t get it. It’s a national security issue. Almost the same for food now. How about THIS: we ration oil, but let people SELL their rations, so that poor people without cars can trade their oil rations to rich people who want limos, in return for money for basics, all the while saving energy.

    Healthcare? Try this: if you can assign everyone a ZIP code, you can assign them a hospital (how about one per ZIP!). Make the hospital responsible for ALL care, and meds, in return for a fixed amount per patient per month. Bye bye paperwork, cost-shifting, and blame-shifting, and hello efficiency, and hospitals that profit from giving you cheaper preventive care rather than chaging you for the doctor visit, telling you you can’t afford treatment, then billing you again in the ER, and THEN getting a tax break on a “bad debt.” Your $1 million ER visit offsets $1 million in earned income, so that income becomes tax free.

    FDIC? SEC? Get rid of them. Make them self-governing private entities. This is to encourage investment in Treasuries. In fact, ALL tax-deferred retirement income should be forced into Ts, so we all have the same stake in what Congress does. Social Security? Replace it with “elderly sustenance,” much cheaper. Those who complain the money was promised to them should understand that they promised the money to the SSA when they bought bonus from our government.

    Tax collection: eliminate state and local revenue departments, and enforcement agencies. Send ONE return to the feds, by computer, let them pay the city and state taxes for you from this form. They could even front tax revenue during lean times, without it being a bailout. If someone falls behind on their taxes, ONE office, not three, collects: the Office of Citizen Debt. This office can also handle all government debt (SBA, IRS, etc.), and become like a bankruptcy court unto itself. We have 89,000 state and local revenue departments. We could probably do the same with many other agencies that have federal, state, and local overlap that is no longer necessary due to computers.

    Oh and how about we focus on the MORAL side of this? You think years of discrimination against the skilled, in favor of the good-looking, the tall, the cornies, and just about everyone but those who should have been hired on MERIT may have wrecked our country? No one person seemed to care, since either they profited from it, or were not an inspiring victim (no looks/no power/no connections?).

    Workweek reduction: Cut the workweek to 35 hours for OT to kick in, then have a four-day workweek (Monday-Thursday or Tuesday-Friday), with Friday-Monday as a four-day weekend. Companies can open five days a week with half-staff on Monday and Friday). This would “double” our economic acitivity, stabilize employment in the nightlife, and spread the wealth around.

    Want jobs back in the US: require any company that does business in America to pay the American minimum wage to anyone it hires, or for any of its subcontractors to do the same. If they want cheap labor, no access to our markets. The Henry Ford principle.

    I do know that in a country of idiots, ideas like mine will never fly, but I have to send them up anuyway. Sigh.

    Ray Gordon
    Bettor Off Single: Why Commitment Is A Bad Gamble For Men

  120. My other idea, the “Ultimate Obama Bill”:

    Under a new WPA program, hire obese, unemployed individuals to pedal stationary cycles which are harnessed to collect the energy they expend, and send it to the power grid.

    Let’s see, we’ve got:

    1. Job creation
    2. Improved fitness/lower healthcare costs
    3. Alternative energy

    All rolled into one!

  121. There’s a tendency, in Fourth Turning analysis, to assume, even while discounting the assumption, that the members of a generational cohort will act uniformly and then, having located the generational trend, to read backwards, into the analysis, the characteristics that, after the fact, appear to confirm the uniformity. That’s not to suggest that Fourth Turning analysis is inaccurate but that it’s sufficiently vague to forestall contradiction.

    The predictability of crises is a foregone conclusion. Every age is an age of crisis. The observation that a saeculum consists of a series of revolutionary turnings isn’t difficult to make. The advice is good: get to know and like your friends, neighbors and the members of your community. Get them to know and like you. Be modest. Be prudent. Be wise. Be prepared, materially and spiritually, as best you can. We need no Strauss and Howe to come from the “grave” to tell us this. I suspect that we Boomers, as a generational cohort, will usher in a period of fascist dictatorship that, after the Fourth Turning has completed itself, will terminate in the world of 1984. But, as they say, any fool with a crystal ball, looking backwards, can imagine he (or she) is describing the future.

  122. LLPOH: No, i’m not a public employee. Actually I have run the same small landscaping company for the last 25 years. Has not been easy lately, my total revenue comes from private homeowners. Our client base has been clobbered by the economic collapse that Mr Quinn writes about.

    SSS: The Madison protests are re-focusing the debate around class, the gap between the rich and everyone else, and the rights of working people to organize. As a small businessman, my client base is well-paid middle class working folks, and certainly NOT people like the Koch brothers.
    I attended the 2nd annual Oregon Tea Party celebration. It was a celebration of capitalism, and a demonization of public workers. No analysis of the Wall Street role in causing the debacle. Total denial about Peak Oil or any energy issues. Worshipping of Ayn Rand and Von Hayek, denouncing the liberals and Democrats, with a minor nod to ‘of course Bush was as bad’ hypocrisy. In the next breath, the Oregon Tea Party leadership was explaining how they would ‘take over the Republican Party’.Sure they will – and as can be seen by the latest Tea Party crop in DC, vote to DEFUND the SEC as a money saving effort, while leaving the Pentagon intact. Meanwhile,at this event, a show of hands for people involved in Americans for Prosperity – the Koch brothers group that they dropped 40 million on in 2010 – showed 1/3 of the audience were AFP. Look for LESS control of Wall Street, MORE government support of oil, coal, and nuclear, from this crowd, IMO.

  123. Very interesting!

    BUT: If an article starts out by calling Winston Churchill’s 6-volume “definitive”, then that casts a large shadow over everything that follows.

    There is NOTHING definitive about Churchill’s work.
    It is NOT a history of the period, but an accounting of what Churchill wanted us to believe about it and his role in it. It’s sole purpose was self-serving, to show himself in the best light.
    Of course dressed up in the famouns Churchillian prose and bon-mots.
    This is not to say that there is nothing accurate in it, but overall, definitive should not be attached to it.

  124. Administrator,

    I just checked out the link. That site is replete with know-it-all pussies who don’t know shit.

    You could fade 90% of the comments on that site and get rich.

    If SA is going to allow a person Author privileges, I don’t think they should delete his remarks. I could see deleting an unruly reader whose comments sabotage the site, but I can’t see deleting one of their Authors.

  125. I arrived here from another Site reference and was impressed by the analysis of the article.
    As usual, I was unimpressed by the level of comments which all seem to follow a repetitive pattern all over the Net.
    One of my “spies” responded to this with the idea that it could not be accidental.
    There *IS* a giant disinformation system out in the Cyberbog (try reading about “Quackwatch” and its assaults on whistleblowers).
    Sadly, I think that it in this case it is not systematic disinformation, but the howling of people lost in a storm of too much truthful information.
    In my opinion, the disarming of the population is a necessary thing if you want to cower them. I think it was actually Samuel Colt who said that the Colt 45 was an “equaliser”.

    But, vitally, you need good intelligence – not the brains type, but spies – to hold any control once the peasantry wakes up (gets hungry).

    I believe the only hope for the future lies in in those rare and oddly anti-self-survival people we call “heroes”, who blow the whistle and their modern compatriots, the Hackers.
    The only hope for the world – much less the USA – will rest entirely on the ability of the Hackers to break the systems of Our Owners and to focus on the individuals. Not institutions, not the pathetic zombies called politicians, but the ones who are actually doing it to us.

    How hard could it be to simply zero in on anyone “worth” a billion or more and electronically do to them what they did to get it?
    This could only be done by the disenfranchised – those left out of the party.
    Wikileaks was the first glimmer I personally had of any hope for post 2015. Vastly brightened by the amazing support group/s that formed around it.
    DISCLAIMER: I am not now, nor have ever been brave and have no intention of getting out of line and am just trying to figure out what to do to be able to eat in the future.

  126. Jim – Seeking Beta isn’t worth your time anyway. Maybe you could start a new site “Seeking Gamma” with a dual mandate of financial and fallout news.

    1. Persnickety

      I just love to bust the balls of those investment shills. I get joy from bursting their little bubbles.

  127. JIM- Consider yourself lucky to be blocked over there, now you won’t have to waste your time reading their faggot filled site

  128. You’re probably right, Himagain.

    TBP has been infiltrated by the Goobermint’s vast network of spies!

  129. Ok refer me to a thread discussing how to change the avatar… although the alien/zombie is quite suitable

  130. Thanks, Admin.

    Colma, syncs to wordpress blogs pretty well. It ought to take you a whole 2 min to set it up.

  131. A spy is nothing more than a peeping tom that uses the ‘intelligence’ gained to manipulate and coerce.

    Yes, the gropermint has lots of them.

    1. Some good has come from this article.

      30 copies of the Fourth Turning got ordered on my Amazon link. Hopefully, more people will read the book and understand what is going on today.

  132. I often wonder if anything would change, if enough people understood the theory. Would we (as a society) ever get to the point where we learned from past mistakes instead of repeating them?

    Maybe we’ll find out.

  133. Methinks not.

    As S&H point out, the idea of the cyclical nature of history is nothing new & that the old civs that recognized the saeculum were similarly bound by it.

    1. Only TBP members will survive the 4th Turning. We will become a new nation founded upon foul language, identity stealing, skepticism, and fart jokes. Commerce will be conducted using gold, silver and cow chips. Owning a gun will be mandatory. The country will be funded from clicks on the google ads.

  134. Administrator,

    Use SA to post articles and attract members for this site. Posting COMMENTS over there is not exactly like some kind of fucking honor.

    As the economic shit thickens, that site membership will level off or fall. My hunch is that membership HERE will be inversely proportional to the economy.

    SA has 600k members now. I think it entirely conceivable that TBP could overtake that site in 10-12 years. Not a mortal lock at this stage, but entirely possible.

    You’ve grown from 1500 to 6000 members in the past year, right? Four fold.

    Grow four fold from here three and a half more times in the next 10-12 years and you’ll be crapping all over 600k members.

  135. I don’t think that the leader who will lead us through the remainder of the crisis will come from the baby boomers. They most certainly have and will continue to lead us deeper into the crisis but the way out will be lead by GenX.

    They will simplify the complex and strip debates to their fundamentals. No program will be untouchable, no promise inviolable, and no budget incapable of balance. Only they can lead with a nonsense pragmatism it will take to pull us through the crisis.

    It may be too early to tell but we may be seeing them on the horizon; Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Paul Ryan come to mind.

  136. Lets get thinks straight about your sales pitch—-when you concider social security a intidelment,remember that the working people of this country put into it and the politions on both sides of the street took out of it for there pet projects.All they need to do is put the money back where they stold from.One more thing,Is going to be rich against poor—I”m union and you can count me in as poor,you can bet,if it comes to a civil war—YOU are going to loose

  137. Damn Jim, when will you be wrong? Hired a new guy today, he said Obamao would save us but it takes awhile to clean up 8 years of mess. Ahhhhhhh, the sheeple. They still think there are 2 sides that are 100% different, he’ll get run over like the rest of them when TSHTF.

    Embarrassed to share my name with that Moron Douchebag Mike above. Yes Mike, the Unions you support are the “little guy”, uninformed moron. Here in Phoenix the “Little Guy” public employees make 3 times the average salary of people who work for a living. 2 1/2 if I eliminate the 17% unemployed. But I guess meter reading and lawn mowing is some tough work if your Publik Skool Edumacated. Wake up and smell what your smoking.

    Mike, My Tea Party recognizes who the enemy is, do you?

    Great stuff James, keep ’em coming.

  138. mike schuh – you are a fucking idiot. You know nothing about social security and fall into the “I put in so I get to take 10 times more out than I ever put in” group. Social Security is unsustainable in its current format – current employees are paying for pay for those already retired. The “bank” is ficticious, as employees do not put in as much as they take out, but rather rely on an ever expanding population.

    I tend to ignore typos, but it is clear you are an ignorant buffon.

  139. Should have read “buffoon”. Now that is a typo, but “intidelment” and “stold” are just plain ignorant.

  140. mike schuh,

    You may be the smartest person to ever post on this site. Please comment some more so that we can learn from you. Your insights into the workings of government are extraordinary.

    You also appear to have a deep and comprehensive understanding of human behavior.

  141. I cannot resist – I gotta count the mistakes. Here goes: Lets,thinks,concider,intidelment,politions,there,stold,loose. So that makes 8 in one paragraph. That must be a new internet record.
    In addition, there are several grammar mistakes, but I do not know where to start on those.

    It is good to see that TBP is drawing a better educated crowd all the time. I particularly like his idea about putting the “money back where they stold from”. Just where this money is hidden he does not explain, but I am sure he knows where it is and how to get it back. Maybe he will enlighten us with his next post.

  142. I’m not picky LL, and I’ll ignore the grave spacing, punctuation, and general literacy errors, but I gotta believe or belive as Mr Schuh would say, that Schuh is also mispelled. Is that pronounced shoe or ska?

  143. Nomad:

    I don’t see Gen X as having what it takes to get us through the winter…

    Although I am GenX myself, I can’t help but notice that my cohort has been immasculated by being raised in a degenerate, PC culture. The “la la lalalalah live for today” culture of the boomers has been passed with little resistance to their children.

    The boomers DO have numbers which will translate into political clout for quite some time until their meds run dry or a Millenial steps up and does what we Xers wouldn’t do to our folks… cut them off and tell them what time it is.

    Have you heard any college professors these days complain about “how conservative the students are” or that “I worked so hard for women’s rights and they just let themselves be exploited” (to boomer professors that means actually looking PRETTY instead of a frumpy hairy manbitch). I hear it from professors all the time. Their in my family.

    I wrote a better reply saying the same thing but it didn’t load so please disregard redundant posts…

  144. Mike — Schuh is a German name … it is spelled correctly …. and it means shoe … like the thing you wear on your feet … like the thing that is stuck up his ass. A true disgrance to Germanic people everywhere.

  145. Ha. It worked. My internet sputtered… radiation?!… and I meant THEY’RE in my family (seeing that the regulars are on the syntax patrol).

  146. @Colma: Don’t fret duplicate posts. everyone on TBP mumbles a lot and says the same thing four times on five different threads, so feel free..

    I agree with you on Gen X. I can remember my Dad saying the world is going to hell etc. etc. back in the 50’s when Elvis started shaking and rock and roll popped up. It was then too. It is now as well with geeks, PC’s, social media that has the value of dog shit and Fed and State leadership that equates with the Three Stooges.

    Of course, I do enjoy the educational aspects of posts on TBP but that’s an exception to the rule of more is less as it is far too easy for idiots to post their most important “thoughts” on line (like Mike Shush or whoever it was above).

    Now if you detect a little irony here, you are spot on.


  147. Holy shit, Admin, this thread is getting too long to scroll through, much less read. You may as well delete it all and start over!


  148. Administrator says:

    “Only TBP members will survive the 4th Turning. We will become a new nation founded upon foul language, identity stealing, skepticism, and fart jokes. Commerce will be conducted using gold, silver and cow chips. Owning a gun will be mandatory. The country will be funded from clicks on the google ads.”

    and the hierarchy will be determined based on finish in the ncaa march madness pool.

  149. MA: The comment count is a badge of honor, for certain, for the Admin’s fine article. Allow me to expand on my Gen X thoughts:

    For the other Xers who, in all likelyhood had pictures of Ferraris with the caption “The benefits of a higher education” pinned to their wall…

    For the Xers that moaned over an upity woman’s abuse and proceeded to take the woman back…

    For the Xers who thought that hard work was stupid and risk was for the dinosaurs…

    For the Xers who did everything to please their (more than likely) single parent living off of Grandma and Grandpa…

    You are like Dr. Evil’s (the Boomer) Mini-Me.

    The kids will be the answer because they must. We have no choice. And don’t think for a minute they’re going to pay for any of this. Talking to them, at least the 20-somethings that I know, this is clear. The second someone turns off their Call Of Duty games, there will be blood in the streets.

  150. Admin

    Nothing but fart jokes in TBP nation? “Did you hear the one about the rabbi, the priest, and the blonde who entered a farting contest?” is going to get stale after a while.

    Nomad said,

    “Not taking sides with any political party, just looking for the next Patton, Eisenhower or Truman.”

    I’ve been pushing Ike and Harry as the model leaders for this country for nearly 2 years on this site. None better in the 20th Century. Patton, however, is that military genius you want to keep bottled up until war comes, as in “George, I’m the president, and if you say one fucking word to the press in peacetime, you’re fired. If war comes, I’ll give you the green light. You know what to do.”

  151. @ Stuck, Yes, I will deny my German going forward. The Phillies had Rick Schu, I thought that would be the correct spelling. Boy these Union geniuses never stick around long. Wonder how he found the site? Of course, if he’s a Union Publik Teashcer, he’s got all day to surf the internet while some college kid student teaches the kids into oblivion.

  152. @MikeinAZ:

    Beck mentioned ZeroHedge today and maybe the FSA puppetmasters directed him to snoop there… and he found his way to TBP.

  153. Pay attention wannabe asswipe . because there is notch you may do or can be done that has not been though of before.
    Empires crumbling are nothing new.

    -Society begins to prosper
    -Society becomes lazy because life is easy
    -Society delegates personal responsibility to Someone Else
    -Someone Else learns that they can exploit their new powers
    -Parasite eventually kills the host because they are drunk with power
    -Society collapses
    -Personal responsibility is needed to survive in collapsed society

    -Society begins to prosper

    There’s your impersonal forces.

    The nature of the human beast does not change with the season , but the back of society to carry the weight of human transgression against natural law strains with every generation until the clock r

  154. Admin et al

    I’ve watched the documentary “Inside Job” several times now. And I have been repeatedly struck by how vile, cold, sociopathic, and addicted to power and money many of the central players are, from Larry Summers to Lloyd Blankfein to Angelo Mozillo.

    And, more than anything, I’m surprised that lone vigilante types have not begun “eliminating” these people as just retribution for their crimes…

    It’s ironic that the government is on the lookout for “domestic terrorists”, when the financial terrorists hide in plain sight…

  155. Colma Rising-You are like Dr. Evil’s (the Boomer) Mini-Me.

    Profound! BravoI and how long have you been alive.

    Here”s a clue dipshit from an old adage I’ve heard and been proven correct my entire life.
    A young man will fight you , but an old man will kill you .
    Don’t think you and your generation of window dressed ass clowns are anymore the heroe than any other young generations believed themselves to be.

    There is nothing new under the sun for you to discover of human nature .It is rife with greed and easily corruptible which is why men cannot be trusted with any more governemnt i.e power over other men -than absolutely necessary.
    So my message to you pissant is get back in there a d work on your Mises/Libertarian grades or else be happy being the statist fucking slave/slob you wish yourself to be.

    Ecclesiastes 1:9 (New International Version, ©2011)

    9 What has been will be again,
    what has been done will be done again;
    there is nothing new under the sun.

  156. Smokey says:


    I’m sure your shitbag does need emptying.Get some psychological help weird one.
    Maybe Stuck’s live -in -psycho-babbler can help you out -but forewarned- she ain’t done nothing for that schizoid bitch

  157. @ coma smoke inhaler –

    You’ve got two choices here , can follow hollowed out wasted imperialistic fucks like smoke -fest into the abyss or you can wake the fuck up and start organizing your network into self sustaining pods.It’s up to you….here’s some advice on a start parrot brain …your life, not mine.

    Don’t be an easily lead dickhead your entire life.But hey’ It’s your future…. make a stab at it .

    Industrial Policy: New Wine in Old Bottles

  158. @ Mikey, the Landscape Businessman from (presumably) Oregon

    Let’s break down some of what you said.

    “SSS: The Madison protests are re-focusing the debate around class, the gap between the rich and everyone else, and the rights of working people to organize.” Sorry. The Madison protests are being totally fueled by state government union activists and their national union supporters in DC. You’re looking at a union battle, not a class battle, fought by union drones uncomfortable with publically ELECTED officials pushing back at unreasonable UNION demands and perqs. The public is catching on to the blood-sucking public unions. Fuck government unions.

    “As a small businessman, my client base is well-paid middle class working folks, and certainly NOT people like the Koch brothers.” Broaden your client base, dipshit. And what’s up with the Koch brothers comment, Mikey? Don’t like rich people spending money on politics? You fucking hypocrite. What about the multi-million Hollywood political fundraisers by Spielberg and Streisand for the liberal flavor of the month? What about George Soros providing $25 million in seed money for Got an answer to that, dickweed?

    “I attended the 2nd annual Oregon Tea Party celebration. It was a celebration of capitalism, and a demonization of public workers.” Sounds good to me, Mikey. Why’s a private businessman like yourself bitching about that? Do you enjoy paying for government drones? Hey, landscaper. How would you like to be able to bid on the complete (focus on the word complete, Mikey) care and feeding of local, city, and state parks?

    Ever think about how much LESS it would cost to have those parks cared for by private business, not public drones? YOU get business, the state and taxpayers pay less money, it’s win win. Jesus, are you really a businessman?

    If you want to come on this site and comment, Mikey, you’d better goddamn well better be able to back up your statements. So far, you’re shooting blanks, pal. Keep trying, if you’re up to it.

    In the meantime, you’re the kind of person who created the situation this article is about.

  159. Sturmvogel – you related to Mike Schuh? You seem like you could be close relatives? You both are obviously mental giants, and we so welcome your input. Dickhead.

  160. Flush:

    It is you! I’ve been watching for doppelgangers…

    Great to hear from you, sarge! What’s up… how was your day?

    Did your meth lab blow? Dirtbike run out of gas in Trona? Did your Creedance 8-track go kaplooey? Did the array at China Lake give you a rash?

    Anyhow, it’s good to see you checking in. When it all goes to hell, I’ll be fine. No worries here. I’m sure you will be too, so long as anyone doesn’t reveal your positions or plans to the press because they didn’t like your sinister demeanor… but I’m sure you’ll take care of that in a blazing display of wanton violence. After all, you as an individual know best. Fuck procedure, right? Hell, if you get a little hunch, just smoke the suspected rat and all will be well, thanks to Flash. No problem. I know you’ll have it under control. You will be a wise judge in your many years if circumstances don’t work out so well in your organization. You’ll take care of it. Sincerely, sarge, best of luck.

    If I’m a C+ Austrian, what’s that make me, ceteris paribus? A D- Statist? Oh my… I’m a failure at all those “isms”. Dam. You got me. Oh wait… the ladies are after my gism. That’s an ism. Dam I’m a failure at evaluating my ismness.

    You just HAD to rattle my cage. Peace be with you.

    P.S: I meant the last four words without sarcasm.

  161. @ coma sucking –

    It’s the hallmark of the passive-aggressive herd animal to insinuate the individual capable of violence when in fact the herd is the source of all violence,
    Isn’t that right war baby?

  162. “Will it be Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Chris Christie?’ Ha Ha ha ha ha. I almost pissed myself when I read this sentence. None of these guys are any less of a joke than Obama. Give me a break!!!!! Oh yeah, republican sellouts to the system, spewers of ideological hate speech, or blustery chest thumpers will take us through this turmoil. NONE of these guys are real leaders. We have yet to see one emerge onto the national scene, regardless of party. I pray we do. Gingrich, Romney, or Christie…. give me a %&@$&# break. What a joke.

    1. Jmac

      It seems you have a comprehension problem. That is common among mongoloids. I didn’t endorse those candidates. They are the current Republican options. These are the cards on the table and one of these guys is likely to be the next president. Deal with reality fuckwad.

  163. Flash! Good Morning, sunshine!

    I was wondering why you decided to come at me sideways last night and see that you’ve had your feathers ruffled on another thread. Lo and behold, you came to say hello and make interesting comments on my posts.

    Well thanks, shitbag, for taking your tanning out on me.

    Here’s a little relief for a fucked up world, and I really really want you to check this link. Consider it a friendly gesture to an unfriendly old fart:

    Iodine tastes like shit.

  164. Flash — keep on insulting almost every poster here. You are well on your way to becoming the most hated poster here. I know I despise you.

    As far as my “live -in -psycho-babbler” — aka Ms Freud — she is quite an accomplished woman. She has not one, but two Doctorate degrees. Nationally Certified Psychologist. Published author. Works in the most prestigious clinic in NJ. Receives high-profile and difficult cases directly from Federal Judges.

    Compared to your accomplishments I can understand your jealousy. But it is unbecoming — even for a slug like yourself — to bash someone who doesn’t even participate on this board. I am not asking you to stop. Go ahead … keep it up … it only cements the idea that you are, in fact, an extraordinary buffoon.

  165. “Will it be Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Chris Christie?’ Ha Ha ha ha ha. —–> JMac

    I can certainly understand why you would say that about Gingrich and Romney.

    But why Christie? He’s been on the scene for what, one year? What do you know about him?

    Oh wait … he’s a Republican … so he MUST be eeeeevil. I don’t know what your political leanings are, but I do know what it sounds like. You sound like a liberal knee-jerk reactionary.

  166. Stuck-LOL.. that’s amusing .coming from a city dwelling sack-o-demented ne’er do well shit
    You are stuck in Jersey simply because you’re stuck on stupid.

  167. Coma sucking- You presume much shitstain….lets put it this way.I’m twenty years before retirement .
    Making inane statements concerning a subject you cannot possible gather information on must be a trait you picked up from Golden shower boy Smokescreen.

  168. Stuck-on-stupid-
    I get it Stuck .You don’t like me .boo fucking who.
    i guess this means I won’t be picked to play on your prickball team.
    I am truly and deeply saddened.

  169. Well, I’ve read this article twice today and, still, I’m speechless. It reads as if I had written it! Wow! This is uncanny right down to the timelines and the fact that it explains (as I thought) why there haven’t been any announcements for the presidential candidates in 2012. Yes, it is understood that Obama will be running again. Good riddance! He’s turned out to be quite the disappointment if not right out the fraud of the century. The Republicans need someone charismatic and able to rise and lead the masses of idiots into Fascism. There is no new Hitler among their ranks of old, fat, pedophiles, gays, drunks, cheaters, thieves, morons and mormons and otherwise idiots. I picture someone from the outside, a well-known business leader even a glitzy Hollywood type. All I have to say is, run, people, run! Anybody that can get out of the way of what’s about to happen here, get out…now!

  170. MK Ultra

    Hint: anyone who uses the word Hitler in their comments, in ANY CONTEXT WHATSOEVER outside of pure historical fact, automatically loses credibility. As they should. And your veiled connection of Hitler to the “ranks of the Republicans” is despicable.

    Now then, you said, “The Republicans need someone charismatic and able to rise and lead the masses of idiots into Fascism.” Are you fucking serious?

    I think you posted that very late into this thread to smear The Burning Platform as a credible website (the website is largely Libertarian). And I think you did it because you thought no one would challenge it.

    If so, you failed, asshole. I’m calling you out, dickweed. You and me. Mano a mono.

    Explain yourself with those Hitler and Fascist comments. We’ll go from there.

  171. Hell, I’ve got the answer to all of it..

    Sarah Palin for Pres.
    Glenn Beck for VP
    Jim Cramer for Treasury Sec. (an improvement over Turbo Timmy without doubt)
    Larry Kudlow for Fed Res. Chairman

    The country would collapse in 22 minutes.. And then we can start over.



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