MILLENIALS GET IT

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Posted on 16th June 2011 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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As I perused my local paper this morning I glanced at the story about the North Penn graduation yesterday. Approximately 1,200 Millenials graduated and are moving on to their next step in life. I was about to skip to the next story when I saw the name Neil Howe in the story. The valedictorian’s speech to his class referenced our current Crisis as laid out by Strauss & Howe in The Fourth Turning. This 18 year old kid gets it. He understands these are dangerous times. He told his fellow classmates they are the new Hero Generation, as he referenced the last Hero Generation that did the heavy lifting and dying during the last Fourth Turning.

I know the old farts on this site do the usual bashing of the youth of today, but they are wrong. This country will only get through this Fourth Turning with a positive result if the Millenials are successful in handling the terrible ordeals that await them. I have three Millenials at home. I know their friends. These are good kids. Their eyes are open. They see how badly their elders have fucked things up. They have no choice but to fix it. They have no choice but to meet the immense challenges ahead. While the Boomers scream at each other and threaten to shut down the government and issue more debt to paper over a debt crisis, the Millenials are preparing for the next 15 years. They are faced with modern distractions (iPods, computers, TV, social media), but human nature does not change. They have not been properly educated by the Boomer run education system, but they understand crushing debt, no jobs, stagnant income, and rising food and energy costs. They know the country cannot run $1.5 trillion deficits for infinity without destroying the country. They are our last best hope.

We’ve been here before. The GI Generation has virtually died off, but the new Hero Generation is getting ready to step up. The old fogies who shit on this generation need to step back and understand history. This generation will step up, because they have to.

North Penn grads hailed as next greatest generation

By Linda Stein
Staff Writer

North Penn High School seniors celebrate as they take the fieldfor the Fifty-Sixth Commencement ceremony at the school on Wednesday evening June 15,2011. Photo by Mark C Psoras

TOWAMENCIN — A sea of newly minted North Penn High School graduates in blue caps and gowns marched into Crawford Stadium Wednesday under a softer blue sky.

Cheering and applauding family and friends clutched balloons and flowers. Some took pictures. Others smiled, waved and blew kisses as the 2011 graduates–more than one thousand strong–took their places on the field, ready to begin a new stage in their young lives.

In an inspiring speech, class Valedictorian Julian Pei spoke of the challenges that his generation faces with economic uncertainties and war abroad.

“Sometimes it feels as if our country is unraveling,” Pei said. “But we cannot fear these times, rather, we must embrace them. The word ‘crisis’ in Chinese is made up of two parts. The first character means ‘danger.’ Clearly we are facing some uncertain and possibly dangerous times ahead. But the second character means ‘opportunity.’

“I believe our generation faces some enormous opportunities in the face of crisis,” he said. Citing historians William Strauss and Neil Howe, Pei said that American history has 80 to 100 year cycles.

Current circumstances comprise a moment of crisis but “we are the ‘Hero Generation,’ mirroring the ‘Greatest Generation’ from about 80 years ago.

“In order for us to properly seize life’s opportunities and become unbeatable…we must be prepared to take on any challenge,” Pei said.

“Go out into the world knowing that the time is now to take the fist step in sculpting a new generation.”

Pei, who plans to go to the University of Pennsylvania, will study biology and finance.

The Lifecycle of the HERO Archetype

 
 
 
We remember Heroes best for their collective coming-of-age triumphs (Glorious Revolution, Yorktown, D-Day) and for their hubristic elder achievements (the Peace of Utrecht and slave codes, the Louisiana Purchase and steamboats, the Apollo moon launches and interstate highways).  Increasingly protected as children, they become increasingly indulgent as parents.  Their principal endowment activities are in the domain of community, affluence, and technology.  Their best-known leaders include: Gurdon Saltonstall and “King” Carter; Thomas Jefferson and James Madison; John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.  They have been vigorous and rational institution builders.  All have been aggressive advocates of economic prosperity and public optimism in midlife; and all have maintained a reputation for civic energy and competence even deep into old age.A lifecycle outline:

  • As HEROES replace Nomads in childhood during an Unraveling, they are nurtured with increasing protection by pessimistic adults in an insecure environment.
     
  • As teamworking HEROES replace Nomads in young adulthood during a Crisis, they challenge the political failure of elder-led crusades, fueling a society-wide secular crisis.
     
  • As powerful HEROES replace Nomads in midlife during a High, they establish an upbeat, constructive ethic of social discipline.
     
  • As expansive HEROES replace Nomads in elderhood during an Awakening, they orchestrate ever-grander secular constructions, setting the stage for the spiritual goals of the young.

The G.I. Generation (Hero, born 1901-1924) developed a special and “good kid” reputation as the beneficiaries of new playgrounds, scouting clubs, vitamins, and child-labor restrictions.  They came of age with the sharpest rise in schooling ever recorded.  As young adults, their uniformed corps patiently endured depression and heroically conquered foreign enemies.  In a midlife subsidized by the G.I. Bill, they built gleaming suburbs, invented miracle vaccines, plugged “missile gaps,” and launched moon rockets.  Their unprecedented grip on the Presidency began with a New Frontier, a Great Society, and Model Cities, but wore down through Vietnam, Watergate, deficits, and problems with “the vision thing.”  As “senior citizens,” they safeguarded their own “entitlements” but had little influence over culture and values. 

The Millennial Generation (Hero?, born 1982-?) first arrived when “Babies on Board” signs appeared.  As abortion and divorce rates ebbed, the popular culture began stigmatizing hands-off parental styles and recasting babies as special.  Child abuse and child safety became hot topics, while books teaching virtues and values became best-sellers.  Today, politicians define adult issues (from tax cuts to deficits) in terms of their effects on children.  Hollywood is replacing cinematic child devils with child angels, and cable TV and the internet are cordoning off “child-friendly” havens.  While educators speak of “standards” and “cooperative learning,” school uniforms are surging in popularity. 

 

44 Comments
  1. Thinker says:

    I wonder if he reads your site, Jim.

    They are impressive kids, aren’t they? I love working with the Millennial kids in my company… I can definitely see them going on to do great things for this country, just like the previous Hero Generation.

    16th June 2011 at 10:53 am

  2. StuckInNJ says:

    The problem with Millenials …….

    … is that they were raised by Boomers.

    That can be quite a hurdle to overcome.

    16th June 2011 at 10:55 am

  3. Administrator says:

    Thinker

    I was shocked to see an 18 year old kid referencing Strauss & Howe. I doubt he saw it on my site. You know our demographic – Older than dirt, angry, pissed off, bunker builders. I don’t think he fits.
    He has too much optimism. If he read this site, he would have dropped out of high school.

    16th June 2011 at 11:06 am

  4. Thinker says:

    LOL, Jim… you do have a point there.

    16th June 2011 at 11:09 am

  5. Pirate Jo says:

    If you add the X’ers and Millennials together, you get 35%, which finally outnumbers the Boomers at 33%!

    16th June 2011 at 11:40 am

  6. Whuuut says:

    He should have told his classmates to not go to college. It’s debt that won’t be worth the price.

    16th June 2011 at 11:56 am

  7. RT says:

    amen Stuck. i’m related to several Millenials who are absolutely oblvious toolbags. Products of parents who are equally ignorant. I am amazed at the ignorance of the 30-somethings around me at work too – these ppl think they’re entitled to less work with more pay because thats how their parents handled the last years of their productive working lives.

    I wholeheartedly disagree with admin’s optimism. Unfortunately.

    16th June 2011 at 11:56 am

  8. Amos Turtle says:

    Can the intelligence and drive of a minority (those who “get it”) overcome the dead weight of the FSA that makes up the majority?

    16th June 2011 at 12:16 pm

  9. Pirate Jo says:

    Amos, I sometimes wonder the same thing. Remember that the dead weight majority of the FSA depends solely upon both the drive of the working minority and upon the minority’s submission. Here is a letter I read last week:

    Dear Annie: My best friend, “Jamie,” lives five hours away. She and her husband, “Bob,” are both disabled. Jamie has several chronic illnesses that leave her in pain and exhausted most of the time. Bob weighs about 500 pounds and is immobile and bedridden. They have two teenaged children who are also obese.

    I recently visited and was appalled to see their living conditions. What used to be messy has devolved into absolute filth — dirty clothes, papers, half-empty soda cans, candy wrappers, dirty dishes and spilled food, topped off with cat urine and feces. I was horrified and disgusted.

    Jamie’s husband and children treat her like an indentured servant. Bob has a caregiver during the day, but relies on Jamie at night. And he is impatient and surly. The kids whine for Mommy when they can’t find things, and they claim to be too “exhausted” to lift a finger. The weekend I was there, the kids did nothing but eat, sleep, sulk, whine and play computer games. They are two of the laziest humans I have ever met and are totally self-involved.

    Bob and the kids don’t care a wit about wallowing in filth. I have watched them drop food and garbage on the floor and walk away. Jamie has given up trying to clean up after these three little pigs.

    I think Jamie’s surroundings are slowly killing her. I realize she is a major enabler, and I don’t want to criticize her when she feels so overwhelmed. But watching their lives disintegrate isn’t an option. What can I do? — Frustrated Friend

    Now as I read this letter, it occurred to me that the people in this family spend a lot of time eating, and maintaining a house full of obese people isn’t cheap. Where does that money come from? I’m guessing these losers are getting disability checks, food stamps, and the whole realm of assistance programs. Do you feel sorry for these people? Something tells me “Jamie” isn’t exactly of a size to fit into a standard airline seat, either, which probably has something to do with her “chronic” health problems. But they are too lazy to get off their own asses. If those of us supporting them simply decided to stop doing so, it’s not like they’d be rioting in the streets.

    16th June 2011 at 12:28 pm

  10. Amos Turtle says:

    Pirate Jo, not to be too mean but that family would qualify in my mind as “useless eaters”. Who will miss their passing from the scene?

    16th June 2011 at 12:52 pm

  11. Administrator says:

    Amos

    “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.”

    Samuel Adams

    16th June 2011 at 12:52 pm

  12. Jiggerjuice says:

    I iz 27. Somewhere in S&H’s Stupid/InevitablyFucked Generation.

    If I’m a hero, I don’t feel like one. Married with a 7 month old son, working as a sushi fish salesman for 65 hours a week with 3 mm in annual sales for – get ready – 33k-37k a year, adding both base and commission, pretax. Somehow all my un/der/employed college/grad school friends are supposed to pay for $X trillion in government unfunded liabilities with our tax dollars? Highly unlikely… The demographics for my generation, compared to the boomer flood, mean the most heroic thing we can do is roll over and… get boned. I’m not whining about my job. I’m underpaid, but at least I’m working.

    We don’t have the votes to change the government. Seniors are apparently a large and formidable voting block. When Boomers turn into Seniors, I’m sure people will vote for their own self-interest – FSA on overdrive. Millenials + Xers = just about the same size as Boomers, but I’m confident the Xers want the status quo to continue as well.

    Yes, I get it. Boomers are screwed because there aren’t enough Young’uns to support the government-created ponzi. And the Young’uns – me – are screwed, because we can’t support the government-created ponzi, even though we will be forced to try our hardest by a variety of state-mandated means – “Heroic”? We also can’t change the government because there aren’t enough of us, and most of my peers, as far as I can tell, are in varying states of functionally retarded, even when they bother voting. So… The Hero Generation is the generation that gets to pick up the decayed shambles of the world, post peak-oil, post-de/inflationary collapse, post-WW3… and turn it into what? Fusion, if scientifically possible, could solve our energy needs, but I don’t see a lot of work going towards that nowadays. Superscience is on the backburner, nowadays we just use regular science to barely maintain our current lifestyle.

    I view social security as blood money extracted from my generation. I’m not delusional enough to think I’m ever going to see what I put into it again. So, there’s that. At least I’m aware that it won’t be there, I can’t speak for anyone else’s awareness. Who knows about Medicare/caid… The next 25 years are going to be a crusterfruck, and us kids down on the bottom have no resources to “buy a farm and ride out the collapse.” That fucking Doug Casey and his goddamn Argentinian elitism. All I can do is robot through my work and hope no medical disasters strike my family before I can save enough money to buy enough freeze-dried food supplies, which have doubled in price in the last 6 months or so…

    I’m assuming a war would “help” us out, as the Boomers, like any good magician, re/misdirect, but the ones going in would be, again, my generation. How Heroic. The Boomers will send us in… Thanks guys. At least I’m a Class 4F Type I diabetic – I’m about as draftable as a guy with no hands. Just hope the war ends before my son turns 18. And that I’ve dug a hole in my backyard deep enough to hide from all the fallout.

    I spent my entire tax refund last year on PMs and my handgun. Next year will be more PMs and an assault rifle. In the meantime, I’m hovering at just above broke (not counting metal) month over month, hoping this summer doesn’t tank the entire US economy to the point where I have to liquidate to survive, because the job well dried up and I got taken to the cleaners. Is that “getting it”? I don’t know…

    All I get is that we are all irreversibly fucked, some of us moreso than others.

    16th June 2011 at 1:04 pm

  13. Pirate Jo says:

    Jig, Generation X does not want the status quo to continue, and we never have. Twenty years of hating the status quo but being hopelessly outnumbered has made us grumpy. We are waiting patiently for your generation to reach an age where we can combine forces and upend the applecart. Gen X is going to get hosed, but we have always known this, and we would like to see things be better for your generation.

    16th June 2011 at 1:20 pm

  14. Muck About says:

    I, who was born a complete and total optimist, has, over the ensuing years, been ground down to a doomer. Especially since the late 80′s..

    I don’t think the oncoming generations can prevent chaos. When over 50% of the general population are suck ups, you take the suck away and you’ve got chaos.

    Now they may be able to do a better job of cleaning up after TSHTF than whatever remains of the Boomers but I won’t be around to see that, so I can’t comment on the possibilities. All I can say is that those Mils I’ve come into contact with don’t show me nearly as much as I hoped they would.

    I just spent $250 to have an ice dispenser repaired on my reefer. The repair techs were all of a Millennial age, young, tech trained and should have been sharp as hell. It took four trips by four different ones before they did what I told them they needed to do the first trip out. The first three were, to a man, incompetent, two were – eehhh — as far as customer support and the third tech was a total asshole who spent his time trying to sell me extras rather than fix the problem.

    I finally got it fixed by bulling my way up the chain to the manager of “fix its” at Sears (a boomer) who sent out a (boomer) tech who just walked in and fixed it. I still paid $250 for visits and parts I didn’t need, knew I didn’t need and was blown off by the turkeys.

    So, no, I’m not impressed by the Millennials I’ve dealt with so far. What’s starting to happen in the cities (like the Chicago episode) bother me more. So I now pack heat when I go out in the car since a local lady got kidnapped and raped from a local K-mart parking lot in broad daylight. Things are getting tense, even out here in the sticks.

    MA

    16th June 2011 at 1:21 pm

  15. Welshman says:

    Admin.,

    I hope you are right, but my bunker is not going up for sale. I will keep a light on for yah!

    16th June 2011 at 1:23 pm

  16. Administrator says:

    Jiggerjuice

    The description of your circumstances actually makes me more convinced you and your generation will step up. You are ploughing ahead through tough times. Fourth Turnings are always brutal and bitter times. Here are the facts:

    American Revolution – 50,000 dead & wounded (4% of the male population)

    Civil War – 1 million dead and wounded (6% of the male population)

    WWII – 1.1 million dead and wounded (2% of the male population)

    If this Fourth Turning is on par with prior Fourth Turnings then there could be 3 million people dead or wounded, with the heaviest toll being borne by the Millenials. There is no turning back. If the Millenials don’t step up during the next 15 years than this country is finished. It really is that simple.

    16th June 2011 at 1:35 pm

  17. Jiggerjuice says:

    lol thanks Jo. I dont know if I’m exactly a Millenial… Most likely somewhere inbetween X and M.

    However, if you have a 401k, or an IRA, or want your current 20 years or so worth of social security payments to actually have a payoff at the end, I doubt you *really* want the status quo to end…

    Status quo, in this case, means the continuation of civilization functioning. Once the USA defaults or hyperinflates, we have no more gas for cars, no electricity for internets, and the world is shut down… Well, that is what this is all about, right?

    If by status quo you mean the continual raping of America by the ultrarich system gamers, then yes, by all means, let those fuckers burn.

    Anyway, Jo, I don’t think it’s just you as an X who is going to get hosed. I think everyone is going to get hosed. But you and me especially.

    16th June 2011 at 1:37 pm

  18. Kill Bill says:

    So when does Pei head back to China?

    16th June 2011 at 1:41 pm

  19. Welshman says:

    Jiggerjuice,

    You are my HERO buddy, because at 27 y.o. you get it. Yes, you are under paid at 65 hrs. week, 35,000 year = 10.36 hr.

    16th June 2011 at 1:42 pm

  20. Kill Bill says:

    Seems like a whole lot of pigeon holing going on around here.

    16th June 2011 at 1:45 pm

  21. Pirate Jo says:

    Oh I agree, Jig – we’re all going to get hosed one way or another. I’m just afraid it’s going to hit my generation at a bad age. We’ll be wiped out without much time to start over before we reach old age. Hopefully, though, the big reset will happen while you still have a few more decades of productivity left. This would be consistent with how crises have affected nomad generations in the past. Good luck with your little Generation Z son.

    16th June 2011 at 1:49 pm

  22. Administrator says:

    KB

    He is going to the NUMBER 1 University on the planet.

    Then he’ll go back to China.

    16th June 2011 at 1:51 pm

  23. Jiggerjuice says:

    Admin,

    Firstly, thank you… But I don’t think there are many like me. I tell all my friends and family to read what is pretty much your entire “favorites” blogroll, but still, nobody does. My brother in law is a Finance major at OSU, and yet, after sending him dozens of emails with links to this website, zerohedge, mish, fofoa, chrismartenson, 321gold, automaticearth, dollarcollapse, etc etc… He still doesn’t get it. He is barely even interested. Gotta study that DCF. I keep telling him DCF is worthless. How do you calculate your “terminal growth rate”? You make “assumptions” on what inflation will be for your terminal cash flows and then discount them to the present – 10-20 years out. That is a huge fucking joke to me. I have another friend that works at Jim Leitner’s hedge fund, and he doesn’t think there will be a QE3. Yet another joker. If I fish around for every example of the kinds of blinders people my age have on, my post will go on forever.

    When I was taking my mandatory macroecon course at UT-Austin, the professor had us read a chapter on banking – fractional reserve banking. He was asked, by me, why the system works, when it is clearly, CLEARLY, by its own admissions and definitions, a ponzi based on totally nothing, and he said: “faith”. I am not much of a believer in anything. As a matter of semantics, what you “believe” is the same as admission that it is untrue. “I believe in Santa”… “I believe in fairies, elves, unicorns, and an America that follows the Constitution”… You can throw God in there, too, if you like. I do. Nobody else in my macro class even had a question about fractional reserves. They just dismissed it as trivial information, only to be memorized if on the exam. There I was, thinking about how unbelievable it was that a bank can lend out 90%+ of its deposits based on the belief that not enough people would ever want their money out at once…

    Physical cash is undervalued, since digital cash is infinite, and the physical PAPER to back the digits doesn’t exist. Is that insanity or no? And people keep saying gold trades at a ratio of 100:1 paper:phys… The whole system is based on digits and the imagination.

    Anyway, Adminz, we’ll see how my generation does. I don’t have a lot of hope for us, but it’s nice to see someone does. Out with the old and in with the new.

    16th June 2011 at 1:59 pm

  24. Jiggerjuice says:

    @Welshman

    Just in case you were wondering, I also fall into the Moron bracket of Millenials. I have a BBA in Finance and an MBA. Worthless. Back when I was starting college in 2001, though, I felt like a fucking genius. It’s just like everyone says. Engineering was too hard, science/med school track was too hard, prelaw/law track was too tedious, no money in the humanities… I’m Gunther from Futurama. All I want to be in life is to be a monkey of moderate intelligence who wears a suit.

    And I even failed at that.

    16th June 2011 at 2:08 pm

  25. Reverse Engineer says:

    Millenial Heroes will make good Cannon Fodder for the Iluminati.

    RE

    16th June 2011 at 2:33 pm

  26. Pirate Jo says:

    Jig, you are positively cracking me up today! Your last post is priceless. I was having dinner last night with two of my friends, and I thought their jaws would drop into their food when I said I thought it would be cool to be a farmer. I’m one of those suit-wearing (well, business casual-wearing anyway) monkeys with a desk job. I even went into contract work just so I wouldn’t get bored from sitting in one place too long, and because the time off between gigs is nice. Mostly that just seems to mean I end up with one boring gig after another.

    I don’t care if farmers have to get up early and go outside in the cold. I would like to take care of animals, drive a tractor around, learn a bunch of useful things, and manage my own time. Farmers never do busywork or anything else that is not worth doing, unless they are the ones growing corn to make ethanol with. But I could never afford a farm of my own and don’t stand to inherit one.

    So it’ll be back to work August 1st to fix problems from a badly-done system implementation.

    16th June 2011 at 3:03 pm

  27. Buckhed says:

    A question for you folks. I keep hearing about the “Greatest Generation” but didn’t they give us the following :

    1) McCarthy witch hunts.

    2) Social unrest due to Jim Crow laws,poll taxes and literacy tests in order to vote ( may not have been a bad idea in some respects)

    3) Vietnam

    4) The 1st Gulf War which laid the foundation for the policy towards the Middle East and the further expansion of the empire.

    5) The “Great Society” which in many respects is responsible for the FSA we have today.

    6) Regulatory Agencies that cover every aspect of our life . Examples are OSHA and the EPA.

    7) An end to the gold standard which ushered in the unfettered spending and issuing of currency.

    8) The overthrow of elected heads of state like Iran and the support of tyrants like Trujillo, Batista, Somoza, Duvalier and others.

    There’s more but that’s enough. Even my grand dad a WWII vet said he was unhappy with what his generation did in the name of liberalism and empire building.

    16th June 2011 at 4:02 pm

  28. Dragline says:

    I doubt young Master Pei hangs around here either. But the Millennials have their own “4th Turning” websites — they are hopelessly optimistic and most of the people here would hate them (the websites). In terms of a voting block, they won’t all come on line until about 2018. And yes, they are likely to support some mass govt-sponsored movement towards something, although God knows what it will be. I’m hoping it will be to cut off the wealth transfers to old boomers and to restore bankruptcy protection to student loan debts (eliminating that form of debt slavery), but it could be anything. They may say, screw it, let’s have the country default so we can start over, because they have little to lose.

    As for us Gen-Xers, I suspect we’ll generally become those old, bitter, pessimistic crustaceans that S&H predicts we will be. To the extent we haven’t reached that point already.

    16th June 2011 at 4:27 pm

  29. Pirate Jo says:

    Who is Pei Mei?

    I would like to browse some Millennial 4th-Turning websites. I’ll bet some of them are simply enamored of being labeled a “hero” generation. Funny that you call them “hopelessly optimistic” though.

    Look, I’m an X’er (41 yrs old) however you slice it, and yes I’m a grumpy, cynical broad, but you have to realize. This period of crisis could take either a) a long time if it’s not too severe all at once, or b) a short time if it is very severe, but either way is going to be painful. It always sucks to have to rip off a Band-Aid. I think it might be a short/severe crisis just because I think it’s out of the policymakers’ hands now. (We have waited too long.) System failure will rip off the Band-Aid quickly.

    But someone like Jiggerjuice, or at least his kid, might live long enough to see things turn a corner. Because that is what has always happened – it’s human nature. We never train before Ragbrai, we just get out there all fat and out of shape and then try to ride all week up hills and into headwinds, and fewer sagwagons are going to be available. Some people will have to walk their bikes up the hills, and others will pass out in the ditches. But at the end of the week, a whole bunch of people go home wishing they had trained better, and next year the whole rolling herd gets by on fewer sagwagons.

    The younger generations are going to see (and it won’t be pretty) what happens to those who allow themselves to become dependent upon public safety nets, and they will change their worldviews accordingly. I see that as a fine thing, and wish everyone had been doing it for the last 40 years already.

    16th June 2011 at 4:41 pm

  30. Administrator says:

    Buckhed

    They didn’t do that stuff until they were in control. They first had to get through the Great Depression and then defeat the Krauts, Japs, and Italians.

    16th June 2011 at 5:13 pm

  31. Thinker says:

    And some of those things can be attributed to the Missionary generation before them, esp. the Great Society/New Deal. Keep in mind, they also built the Space Program, developed suburbs, invented vaccines and founded many of the largest companies we have today.

    16th June 2011 at 5:25 pm

  32. Dragline says:

    Here’s a Millennial 4T website for you, PJ: http://themillenniallegacy.com/

    16th June 2011 at 5:39 pm

  33. Dragline says:

    Here’s another, although not explicitly 4T, has their themes written all over it: http://www.ourtime.org/

    16th June 2011 at 5:43 pm

  34. Pirate Jo says:

    Dragline, thanks for the links. I noticed that the second website had ‘Living at Home Sucks’ as one of its main subjects.

    16th June 2011 at 5:50 pm

  35. Dave says:

    Jim says….

    ” I know the old farts on this site do the usual bashing of the youth of today, but they are wrong.”

    I’m an old fart and i bash liberals, progressives, and democrats (redundant, I know), no matter what their age.

    16th June 2011 at 6:35 pm

  36. Dave says:

    Pirate Jo: posts “Dear Annie: My best friend, “Jamie,” lives five hours away. She and her husband, “Bob,” are both disabled. Jamie has several chronic illnesses that leave her in pain and exhausted most of the time. Bob weighs about 500 pounds and is immobile and bedridden…”

    I’m on Cape Cod right now. Yesterday, I saw a lady leaving a miniature golf site. She was maybe 45. She was in a Scooter Chair, weighed about 400 pounds, and was lighting up a cigarette. You can bet your ass that we are paying her way.

    16th June 2011 at 6:40 pm

  37. crazyivan says:

    Pirate Joe:

    “”Farmers never do busywork or anything else that is not worth doing, unless they are the ones growing corn to make ethanol with:

    You ignorant slut.

    16th June 2011 at 7:25 pm

  38. Mikey says:

    @Jiggerjuice, @PirateJo

    I know what you both mean well.

    My ex left uni with a first class degree in Law, and another first class degree in Econ. She spent 5 years in the Commonwealth Department of Treasury, and another 4 years working as a senior economist for a specialist consulting firm.

    She now grows radishes for a living and a hell of a lot happier, and lives almost entirely ‘off the grid’ trading home grown tobacco, food, and water with her neighbours.

    I’m about to buy some land off her and fill it full of trees growing good cabinet making woods such as silky oak, teak, cypress pine and the like, and to put a modest solar power plant on it. Not enough to count as ‘commercial’ but enough to power the small community there.

    16th June 2011 at 7:50 pm

  39. flash says:

    There is nothing glorious or heroic as being so stupid to allow oneself to be used as cannon fodder in some old fuck’s a war for resources.

    17th June 2011 at 9:13 am

  40. Novista says:

    Jigs,

    I will offer only one point, social security was blood money pumped out of everyone before you. The Silents were funding those who came before, etc. Rinse and repeat. Ponzi schemes are like that.

    Admin, I take umbrage at one assertion — not all us old farts bash today’s youth. You’re going to need them and I won’t be here to see it.

    17th June 2011 at 9:35 am

  41. Delaware Valley Sally says:

    Yes, this site is full of baby boomer views that reveal the fear and resultant disdain they feel towards the changing world and those they think are driving that change. The baby boomers need to realize that they rode the best years thios country ever had. They had good educations, job opportunities, salaries and that has all eroded for the subsequent generation. Thus, younger generations have a more scrappy view of things, while the boomer malign and whine about why everything is getting worse and no younger generation has the stuff to chnage it. Your in the way of progress boomers, move over or move out of the way! Lead follow or get the hell out of the way!

    16th December 2012 at 8:09 am

  42. flash says:

    forget the youts’…diversity is our strength.

    WATCH: Group of young women brutalize 15-year-old girl outside Brooklyn’s Prospect Park (GRAPHIC VIDEO)
    The girls hit the teenager several times before pulling her to the ground, where they continue to hit and kick her, as several onlookers appear to egg them on. The attack took place early Wednesday evening at Crooke Ave. and Parade Place.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/watch-group-young-woman-brutalize-teen-brooklyn-prospect-park-graphic-video-article-1.1848446

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwoASC_MyMtUGAp9eSqvIr6nPbFQ46m_1i99XcwVWTodPVBFd8fewioCA

    30th June 2014 at 5:59 am

  43. flash says:

    Heroes might need be arming up…

    http://www.fayobserver.com/news/local/seeking-safety-armed-and-dangerous—fayetteville-struggles-to/article_6e3aeb73-2ff6-54c1-95bd-9e97198dea8b.html

    Seeking Safety: Armed and Dangerous – Fayetteville struggles to stem the tide of youth gun violence

    Video surveillance showed people running and getting into a car with an Alabama license plate, which was traced to 24-year-old Michael Williams.

    Police learned that Williams worked at Smithfield Packing in Tar Heel and paid him a visit. Williams was later charged with the murders, along with McNeil, Rashawn Javone Hill, 17, and Albert Jackson, 19. All four live within a half mile of each other off U.S. 301 near the Fayetteville city limits. A juvenile also was arrested.

    Kire and the three other adults arrested with him are all young black men.

    That’s not unusual, in Fayetteville and across the country. Since the beginning of 2013, there have been 34 homicides in Fayetteville. Seventeen of the people charged in those killings were young – between 14 and 26. Of those 17, all but one is black.

    Nationally, homicide has become the leading cause of death among black people between the ages of 10 and 24, according to a report released this month by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. For every young homicide victim, 126 others in the age bracket suffered nonfatal injuries, the report said.

    Law enforcement and other officials in Fayetteville all paint the same portrait of the young people most likely to commit violent acts.

    Generally, Superior Court Judge Jim Ammons said, they are young black men who were raised by a single parent and dropped out of high school. They grew up watching violence on television and don’t fully understand the consequences of their actions until it is too late.

    “We have got to do something to help kids make the right choices,” Ammons said. “If I knew the answer to that, I’d share it with you and we’d both be rich.”

    30th June 2014 at 6:07 am

  44. Sensetti says:

    Admin there’s nothing to fix. This fourth turning will end in a World War and Minnie’s will be the ones doing the dying. This fourth turning will prove to be more horrific than all those that went before. This fourth turning will consume all those without the intestinal fortitude to withstand extreme hardship. But of course the next generation will rebuild on the ash heap of the greatest excesses the world has ever known, they always do. This young Minnie generation has absolutely no power to stop or halt the great collapse that’s dead a head. History will remember Minnie’s as the generation that was sacrificed to pay for the sins of their elders indulgence.

    I sincerely hope the Minnie’s have been raised on hard work and sacrifice those two attributes will prove most valuable in navigating the massive collapse that’s coming into view.

    30th June 2014 at 9:42 am

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