More front line reporting from OWS by Bruce Krasting.

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I go to Zuccotti Park

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Submitted by Bruce Krasting on 10/10/2011 08:21 -0400

Sunday was beautiful in NYC. Indian summer. I went to the OWS protest. Some observations and some pictures.

Zuccotti park is where the action is contained. This is a miserable excuse for a park. It’s about the size of a football field. Not a blade of grass to be found. As you will see from the pics, this place is already jammed. The limited space may prove to be an issue for this demonstration. You can’t get more than a few thousand in this cramped area.

The park is sandwiched between Broadway and Church. It’s bounded by Liberty St (and some other street I forgot the name of). On one side is the Brown Brothers Harriman Building (talk about white spats).


On the other is the rapidly rising world trade building.


The cops have the place surrounded. But it was very clear that these policemen were not looking for trouble. Two blocks away, I found where the police had set up a command post. I suspect the guys with the helmets were resting over there.


Congressman Eric Cantor made a foolish remark over the weekend. He referred to the happenings in lower Manhattan as a “Mob Scene”. Cantor’s an ass. He has no clue what is going on. This was just a dumb sound bite. He will regret it.

There was no mob. There were no professional provocateurs. There was festive attitude. There was no anarchy.

The following pictures are the scenes that I saw. Look at the people in the background; you will not see anything threatening at all.

There was some attempt to bring order. A library, medical area, kitchen, a media center, legal aid and even a store for “essentials”:


Some people were painting signs:


Others were just painting people:


Wherever you looked there were signs. Just a few of the many:


There was one sign that caught my eye. I’m willing to bet it has also caught the eye of the FBI.


I left the area thinking that this very small group of people couldn’t possibly make much of a difference. It’s a rag tag demonstration. More a party than a serious effort to change the financial system. But as I walked north I thought of a different time in history. One that I participated in. To me, there was a very similar feeling in Zuccotti Park in 2011 to what existed in San Francisco in 1967.

The 1967 Summer of Love was a period where social/political changes began. The allure of sex, drugs, and rock and roll were very powerful magnets for this 17 year old.

I crossed the country and spent a few memorable months in San Francisco’s Haight Ashbury District.

I slept in a crash pad. I went to the Fillmore West and watched Jim Morrison of the Doors sing “Light My Fire” till sun came up. And yes, there were drugs. And yes there was “Free Love” in the park. And yes, it was a hell of a party. And yes, there was not much relevance to the whole thing.

But three years later a million people marched on D.C. and it altered the outcome of a war. It also tore the country inside out. It would be a big mistake to dismiss what is going on in Zuccotti Park. Whatever is happening there, it’s not going to go away. It’s going to get bigger. 


  1. The 2% and up would be well advised to look dirt middle class poor. That is what is going to happen here. This ain’t our grandfather’s depression. This is the fall of Rome and the peasants welcoming the Barbarians.

  2. Dave, Davos:

    Tough Shit.

    In my opinion, Talk Radio jocks are so full of shit right now, I’m laughing!

    As for Haight and the “summer of love”… OWS isn’t a bunch of scummy boomers ready to turn into homeless hookers.


  3. Yes, but this time it’s not the protesters making a bunch of value judgments about their elders — its the MSM elders making value judgments about the protesters.

    He is right though to not expect this to blow up into something huge immediately. But in a few years, when they start making those cocktails for real, “I was at Zuccotti Square” could be a rallying cry. Cantor and his buddy Peter King might not have much of a shelf life left.

    Sounds like Krasting got this song in his head:

    1. Ackerman makes a good point. The Democratic and Republican Conventions next summer could be a flashpoint like 1968.

      If and When the Protestors Unite, Watch Out!

      Submitted by RickAckerman on 10/10/2011 12:35 -0400

      The protest that started nearly a month ago in the Battery now has a name – Occupy Wall Street — and we’re sorry we didn’t think of it first, since the catchy title – “Occupy (fill-in-the-location)” — seems destined to go viral worldwide. We’re not sure whether the demonstrators’ demands will eventually skew right or left politically, or perhaps in neither direction, but Mr. Obama and Rep. Pelosi have not wasted any time getting the jump on the Tea Party and GOP frontrunner-by-default Mitt Romney by presenting the demonstrators with verbal fruit baskets and bouquets – everything but the key to the city, which as of this writing was still in the safekeeping of Mayor Bloomberg. To her credit, Ms. Pelosi zeroed in an actual reason for the demonstrations, even if the protestors themselves haven’t quite figured it out. It’s about jobs, she told ABC News in an interview — and that is undoubtedly on many of the protestors’ minds. But it seems predictable that the movement will come to be “about” many more things as the months roll by. What is not so predictable is who will assume leadership, or perhaps try to co-opt the movement from outside, as it spreads to every city, town and village in the Western world. But if protests should turn violent – a possibility that we’d rate an even-odds bet at this point, it’ll be interesting to see whether the Establishment that has rushed to embrace the demonstrators will start cracking heads.

      Whatever happens, the protestors have nearly a year to build up steam ahead of the national political conventions. Charlotte, North Carolina, will play host to the Democrats in early September, and although the event, with 35,000 delegates reportedly planning to attend, is expected to generate $150 million in business for the city, Charlotte may come to regret having been selected over finalists Cleveland, Minneapolis and St. Louis. For, much as Arlo Guthrie, Country Joe McDonald, Santana and the Grateful Dead were big draws at Woodstock, Charlotte boasts a superstar protest-magnet of its own – Bank of America — that could conceivably attract more activists than the convention attracts delegates. You can bet the whole world will be watching – and one can only hope that the demonstrators by then have Woodstock in mind as a behavioral template rather than Chicago, circa August 1968. Republicans are set to convene in Tampa, Florida a week earlier, but we suspect that the extra miles between Northeast population centers and southwest Florida, not to mention the sweltering mid-summer heat, will inhibit the crowds. It’s possible, however, that if a huge throng shows up in Tampa nonetheless, that the city’s unique’y pleasurable waterfront scene will help keep demonstrators from growing surly.

      Time for Honest Capitalism?

      But even if the mobs are peaceful, they’re not going to be easily satisfied with hollow political promises to create more jobs. The best way to do that is of course to provide tax incentives for small businesses to expand. However, it’s hard to imagine that this will be on their agenda. Or will it? The possibility exists, but only if those who assume leadership of the “Occupy” movement understand that, unlike the big banks, not all businesses are parasitic and in bed with the ringleaders of our incurably corrupt political system. Perhaps those rooting for a revival of honest capitalism should take as a hopeful sign the moment of silence observed for Steve Jobs last week by Wall Street protestors.

  4. Admin

    I’m up to my eyeballs with these OWS articles. It’s enough to gag a maggot. Please do everyone a favor and promise at least a 30-second moratorium before you post the next one. Links to Green Day songs are better than this shit. Enough is enough!!!!! (That’s five apostrophes in case you’re counting. I usually do only four, but I thought I’d give Stucky a baffling math problem.)

    Thank you for your careful consideration. I know I can count on you to do the right thing.

    1. SSS

      Do you know the difference between an exclamation point and an apostrophe?

      Jesus fucking Christ!!!!!!

      Even Billie Joe Armstrong with his ass crack showing knows that.

      I think it’s time for your nap.

  5. When the protesters denounce Obama, little Timmy, the Bernanke and other bank bail-out supporters, then I’ll take them seriously. Body painted fat chicks aren’t going to lead to change.

  6. Billie Joe’s reaction when told that SSS doesn’t know the difference between an exclamation point and an apostrophe.


  7. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – Exclamation point

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’ – Apostrophe

    By jove I think he’s got it. Maybe not.


  8. You think you!re such a smart ass’

    Well. I!ve got news for you. you!re nothing but a sipleton’ who!s been fucking up you!re and your for nearly 3 years. At lest. my speling and punuation are better than you!re grammer?

  9. SSS: Admin was hanging his head and moping about how big a pain in the ass TBP was becoming…

    OWS has breathed some vitality back in the dude… he’s out with his rolled-up paper and giving you Big Dogs something to bark about with fury.

    I’m reveling in how you old cats are totally in an uproar, and being an admitted Populist on a site packed with crabby old rich folk, I enjoy the hell out of the fact that Admin’s not towing the hard-lines…

    The “Gray Champion” is an idea, an archetype… What do your grandkids have to say about all this? Give ’em a listen… I guarantee you they’re a chip off the old block.

  10. I hope Stucky, aka Mr. 1,2,3,4,6, doesn’t see this thread. I’ll never hear the end of it.

    WTF am I thinking? Of course Stucky will see it. The shit-stirring Admin already has it at the top of his “To Do” list.

  11. Stucky’s in NYC getting his body painted after chasing an eighth ounce of mushrooms with a Lowenbrau and a hotdog…

  12. Protest in downtown Jacksonville this weekend. Anybody else in the northeast FL or southeast GA area want to go? Let me know and we could work out arrangements for beers and such after we get out of jail. 8)

  13. “10th October 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Administrator says:


    Do you know the difference between an exclamation point and an apostrophe?

    Jesus fucking Christ!!!!!!

    Even Billie Joe Armstrong with his ass crack showing knows that.

    I think it’s time for your nap.”

    From the guy who says…”Don’t attack the messenger”!!!!!””””

  14. It may be just what the bankers want. Tea party vs wso. Make for a need for a stronger police state. IT approaches! Whatever it is! Party on!

  15. SSS-I disagree with almost everything in your first post. But had to thumbs up anyway, due to the eloquent poke at Stucky!s math skills.

    Admin-Keep the OWS coming, and the fire in yer belly.

  16. Admin:

    Keep posting. You are starting to get through to the geezers. You can teach an old (big) dog new tricks, if you keep hitting over the head long enough.

  17. Occupy Wall Street Protests Rankle the Rich

    In the 5th week of the Occupy Wall St. movement, with protests now having spread now to 150 U.S. cities and even to Europe, the apparent objects of that protest—the richest 1 percent—are starting to push back.

    The grumbling from the wealthy took off with a sign posted in the windows of the Chicago Board of Trade last week, in a place where street protesters easily could see it, which proclaimed: “We Are The 1%.”

    No one is sure who put up the sign, but plenty of folks in the building could be included in the 1 percent.

    If a joke, it was one many protesters didn’t get. “I thought [the sign] was extremely disrespectful,” a special education teacher named Corey, 35, told TimeOut Chicago. Mike Polski, 53, from Joliet, disagreed, telling TimeOut, “These people wish they were the 1 percent! The 1 percent are billionaires.”

    He’s wrong. According to IRS tax data, anybody earning $380,354 or more qualifies for membership in the top 1 percent. That would include some of the better-paid traders at the Board of Trade. (IRS data shows, too, that the top 1 percent holds 35.6 percent of the nation’s wealth, not the 50 percent claimed by Occupiers.)

    Whoever posted the sign, trader Eric Wilkinkson says he is in sympathy with it. The real parties responsible for the nation’s economic ills are not the rich, in his view.

    Says Wilkinson, “It’s capitol hill and Obama that are the culprits. They’re the ones not doing their jobs.” The Occupy movement he calls misguided. Somebody rich, he says, “Should not be penalized for making headway in this society. They should pay their fair share of taxes, but they shouldn’t be taxed more. They deserve their money.”

    On Twitter, one anonymous person who claims to relate elevator gossip at tony investment bank Goldman Sachs — which may have more 1 percenters than anywhere in America — tweeted: “What are they complaining about? People seem a hell of a lot happier in TGI Fridays commercials than they ever do at Gramercy Tavern.” Another tweet said: “A protester sees my Benz, and wants to rip me out of it. A real man sees my car, and wants to work hard so he can buy it one day.”

    Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain easily qualifies as a 1 percenter, since his financial disclosure forms show that in 2010 and 2011 he earned generous fees from sitting on a number of corporate boards, including that of Whirlpool, which alone paid him $359,008.

    Cain says people who are not rich have only themselves to blame. “Don’t blame Wall Street,” he told protesters, in an interview with the Wall St. Journal. “Don’t blame the big banks. If you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself. It’s not a person’s fault because they succeeded. It is a person’s fault if they failed. And so this is why I don’t understand these demonstrations and what is it that they’re looking for.”

    Billionaire New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Friday doesn’t think too much of Occupiers, either, saying in an interview with New York City’s WOR Radio, “If the jobs they’re trying to get rid of in the city—the people that work in finance, which is a big part of our economy—go away, we’re not going to have any money to pay our municipal employees or clean the parks or anything else.”

  18. The thing that turned me against these protesters was when they started chanting, “re-elect Obama”

    That tells you all you need to know about them.

  19. Cain says people who are not rich have only themselves to blame. “Don’t blame Wall Street,” he told protesters, in an interview with the Wall St. Journal. “Don’t blame the big banks. If you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself. It’s not a person’s fault because they succeeded. It is a person’s fault if they failed. And so this is why I don’t understand these demonstrations and what is it that they’re looking for.”


    There is something fundamentally wrong with this argument put forward by the 1%. It is strikingly similar to Mary’s Queen of France before she was beheaded by the masses. “Let them eat Cake”. Which while the message actually means, “If you can’t afford to eat bread, find something else to eat”, on the outside is very derogatory.

    Cain’s message, and the %1’s message, is no different. And while the 1% have have been telling us for years, the best way to make money, is to loan it out. What they haven’t been telling people, is that when loans go bad, you need to be the first in line to get paid. (ie .. protect your investment.)

    Unfortunately, when the DOT COM collapse occurred, this shifted a lot of wealth out of the hands of middle class. Collapses that followed have been aftershocks of that initial collapse. People had to choose between their house or car, and initially they choose their cars. Then when the jobs didn’t return, they lost their houses.

    Everyone wants to blame corporations for transferring jobs to foreign countries. But that’s not the real problem. The problem is that in order for corporations to survive, they have to acquire more and more. The larger the corporation, the great it’s chances of it’s success, as long as the markets it relies on remain stable. Or it is able to transition between markets.

    Take Kodak. They have dominated the film and photography industry for decades. Until, the digital camera caught up with them. Their attempts to transition into the digital camera’s was a nice attempt, but then PDA’s, Cell Phones, Cameras, MP3 players and Game Boy’s merged. Then came the IPAD. Kodak was unable to keep up with the capital investments needed to merge the build the next generation of technology. Nor were they positioned to build such equipment.

    Take AIG. They follow financial trends. They started betting on the possibility that the mortgages would fail. There wasn’t a possibility that the mortgages would fail, they knew that they would fail. People had to choose between their cars and their houses. They when the jobs didn’t return, the mortgages would fail.

    But why didn’t the jobs return? Obama said it in his inauguration speech, “Entrepreneurs, will create the next generation of jobs for Americans.” In order for entrepreneurs to do this, they need money. They need someone to bet on them. Financially. So, without backing entrepreneurs can’t fund their next technological innovations, and can’t create American Jobs.

    People who make the right turn are rewarded. People who make the wrong turn are penalized. And when groups are caught up in the decisions that giant corporations make, simple descriptions from politicians like Cain are inherent false. Their logic ignores the very fact when his bid for presidency fails, he will have to lay off his staff. But, will he tell them that it’s their own fault for choosing to follow him when his potential of winning was 35%?

    No, just as in France, the rich are only concerned with one predilection. They are concerned with their own petty need to sustain their comfortable life style and status. And if the masses complain, then the rule of law, created by the wealthy, which ignores the needs of the many, will be enforced and imposed in order to sustain and order that maintains their status.

    However, history has repeated this issue over and over again. Ba-steal, Soviet Union, China, Industrial Revolution, Rail Roads, and many more revolts between the rich and the poor. Those who have bought their way safety and security through legal means, rely on the populous to agree to the contract. However, when the fundamental integrity of the contract has been warped so far out of proportion and the true intent of the wealthy is not to help the poor live a decent life, then the poor (their masses) will rise up again, demanding, “Peace, Truth, Liberty, Fairness and Justice once again for all.”


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