Posted on 13th November 2011 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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“Evil is not just a theory of paradox, but an actual entity that exists only for itself. From its ether of manifestation that is garlanded in perpetual darkness, it not only influences and seeks the ruination and destruction of everything that resides in our universe, but rushes to embrace its own oblivion as well.

To accomplish this, however, it must hide within the shroud of lies and deceit it spins to manipulate the weak-minded as well as those who choose to ally themselves with it for their own personal gain. For evil must rely on the self-serving interests of the arrogant, the lustful, the power-hungry, the hateful, and the greedy to feed and proliferate. This then becomes the condition of evil’s existence: the baneful ideologies of those who wantonly chose to ignore the needs and rights of others, inducing oppression, fear, pain, and even death throughout the cosmos. And by these means, evil seeks to supplant the balance of the universe with its perverse nature.

And once all that was good has been extinguished by corruption or annihilation, evil will then turn upon and consume what remains: particularly its immoral servants who have assisted its purpose so well … along with itself. And within that terrible instant of unimaginable exploding quantum fury, it will burn brighter than a trillion galaxies to herald its moment of ultimate triumph. But a moment is all that it shall be. And a micro-second later when the last amber burns and flickers out to the demise of dissolving ash, evil will leave its legacy of a totally devoid universe as its everlasting monument to eternal death.”
― Adam Turquine – from sequel to Beyond Mars Crimson Fleet

  1. Dave says:

    The solution to the worlds problems is simple. Imagine the progress if everyone would just admit to themselves there is no god.

    If people did not think they were going to some version of heaven, and all religious fighters believe they are going to heaven, think of the slogan written on the helmet of Marine in Viet Nam “I’m sure to go to heaven because I have spent my time in hell” to the Muslim suicide bomber and his 72 virgins. If people believed that when they die, they just rot and that is it, maybe they would not want.

    Then there is the money that stolen and sequestered by religions. From the tithe to the money spent on the Hajj. The Roman Catholic Church is estimated to control 3 Trillion in assets. TV evangelists raise millions from weekly viewers to build giant auditoriums and the Islamic state has seemed to approve the monarchy version of government concentrating wealth in a single family.

    Religions have spent generations attempting to thwart science and progress. From the Roman Catholic Church’s attempted suppression of the Gutenberg Press, Galileo’s views of astronomy, the objection to the theory of evolution and the study of genetics. From the Islamic distrust of female education

    Then their are the wars and oppression. Muslims hate everybody and are at war with everybody and even themselves. They oppress women and fight Jews and Christians. The Roman Catholic Church pretended to be ignorant to the anti-semitism of Germany and Italy. Then helped smuggle Nazis to South America. The Jews in Israel force Palestinians to live in apartheid like conditions on land that was stolen from them. From the Crusades to the Ottoman Empire’s attempt to re-create the caliphate.

    It is so silly that so many people die over the contents of 1000 year old books. Even if there is a god, why would you pray to someone who wants so many of his “children” dead and just lets so many of them live in squalor? Sounds like a pretty horrible person.

    Grow up humanity. Forget the silly superstitious myths passed through the centuries. Time to realize when some leader sends you to die for something that does not really affect you, there is no after life. If you die for THEIR cause, its over.

    Would that not cause a few men to stay home and enjoy their lives? Let us all end the tyranny that religious thought has inflicted on man.

    13th November 2011 at 10:16 am

  2. underfire says:

    Forget the silly superstitious myths passed through the centuries. Dave

    Such as in the ten commandments? like don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t cheat on your spouse (and family), honor your parents, don’t lie about other people. Or Christ’s teaching, do under others as you would have them do unto you.

    I think you’re getting your wish, society is well on it’s way to rejecting these silly notions.

    13th November 2011 at 10:35 am

  3. flash says:

    We get it Dave, your an atheist , thereefor God doesn’t exist….yawn


    13th November 2011 at 11:10 am

  4. KaD says:

    Dave, I’m not sure you don’t have that reasoning entirely back asswards. If the majority of people didn’t believe in God/ life after death what incentive would there be for them to not be as evil/ greedy as possible, and just kill anyone they didn’t like, steal with impunity? The crime rates are awful in alot of places now even with religion being so dominant.

    I know several atheists who are really great people; but as someone once said they do tend to believe in *something*. For instance, my significant other doesn’t believe in God but he does believe in honor and duty. Some athiests believe in power and money. But a belief in something is typically there if you dig in deep enough, from what I’ve seen.

    13th November 2011 at 11:26 am

  5. Stucky says:

    Oh, goody! A religion thread!! And about such an easy topic … evil!

    May I summarize all the ensuing discussions?

    1) — “Fuck you … you holy rollers!”

    2) — “Eat shit … you atheist!”
    Yup, that sums it up. LOL

    13th November 2011 at 11:40 am

  6. Stucky says:

    Four questions … three answers;

    Q) How many years has humanity had religion?
    A) Thousands of years … since the dawn of time.

    Q) How many religions are there, including religions no longer active?
    A) Thousands.

    Q) Have thousands of religions over thousands of years turned humanity into a better species?
    A) No.


    Q: What good has religion wrought?

    13th November 2011 at 11:47 am

  7. brann says:

    its the banality of evil–its easier to just turn your back,not see the evil,someone else will take care of it.in other words,we are self centered assholes.

    13th November 2011 at 12:12 pm

  8. Stucky says:

    “Moody’s Investors Service said it may downgrade the credit ratings of Pennsylvania State University in a sign of the potential scope of the fallout from a sexual abuse scandal at the school.

    The agency on Friday said it will consider whether to lower its assessment on the university’s $1bn of debt, which is now rated Aa1, just one notch below triple A.”

    From Financial Times. Not providing link. Fucking cocksuckers demand a login and cash for news. They can go fuck themselves.

    13th November 2011 at 12:14 pm

  9. Satan of the Senses says:

    Religion is not tyranny. NOT understanding what really lies behind religion, NOT understanding the immaterial truth behind religious analogies from higher spheres, NOT wanting to understand that the eternal heavens do not care for the mortal flesh, NOT willing to understand that all deep religious analogies are not aimed at the body, but the soul, THAT is the tyranny.

    Ignorance is tyranny. Becoming a teacher and not being enlightened by God to be one, THAT is tyranny.

    There is no separation, say the masters from the eternal realms, since time began; and man just does not want to listen.
    And God does not punish that. It merely has its logical consequences.
    And one of them is death itself.

    And THAT is God´s grand grace – that nothing idiotic is permitted to (seem to) live for very long.

    And that is God´s great intelligence and mercy – that he/she uses what seems to have killed us to bring us back home into eternity. The mortal body.

    There is no death. We are dreaming death.
    We dream of separation.

    There is no evil and no sin. That which perishes IS not.
    It is a child´s nightmare. A ridiculously wrong idea.
    And – as we are all children of God, our nightmares seem truly frightening and seem truly real.

    The nightmares last not and teach our soul that the heavens and the Love of God last forever.

    The devil lost the game the second it started. By starting it, he lost it. Tic, tac, toe. Thus is God´s unfathomable intelligence.
    And thus is the devil´s unfathomable dumbness.
    And fear is his hound dog.
    For stupid stuff can only be believed in a state of fear.
    For what does not exist, cannot be intelligent.

    Do not despair. Your victory is established in heaven forever.
    What God gave birth to cannot perish.
    Change, yes, but perish, no.
    THAT is true Love.
    And therefore this is all just a bad dream.
    You are not your body. You are a legitimate child of God, and in reality you know of no death and suffering.

    My 2 cents…
    P.S.: A little tip for travelers: heed what you add to the words I AM in daily life…

    13th November 2011 at 12:26 pm

  10. Tricky Dick says:

    Dear Satan,

    13th November 2011 at 12:39 pm

  11. ron says:

    I can see the evil and misery a life without God brings,just look around.
    Lovers of self,people whos God is money. Just look at the wars and the money made.And for what?do you think our nation is threatened? its all about money.

    13th November 2011 at 3:50 pm

  12. Dave says:

    Apparently there will be a lot of thumb fucking just because the name is Dave. I don’t know who the Dave is that gave the initial response above, but it ain’t me. I’m an NPC. I go to church every day. Saint Matress, 6am mass.No donations. No sermons. No Chinese food (sum yung boy). Dead is just a loss of awareness that you were alive. You won’t even know you are rotting.You won’t even know that you were ever alive.

    13th November 2011 at 6:51 pm

  13. Colma Rising says:

    Yeah, Dave, there’s a lot of Daves…

    So many Daves its hard to count.

    What’s not hard to count is winning an inferior team 27 to 20.

    What’s not hard to count is the score of the Glorious San Francisco 49ers lead, at game’s end, over the New York Giants.

    Even with that dastardly, devil-horned Manning at the helm, New York fell to San Francisco.

    The living incarnation of His Holiness, Bill Walsh, Jim of the Harbaugh, stands victoriously in the face of the New York Media as the obvious an indisputable WINNER.

    That, Dave (whichever, whatever), is a fucking miracle.

    13th November 2011 at 7:33 pm

  14. Administrator says:


    Congrats on beating the NY curs.

    The Eagles have rolled over. You can stick a fork in them.

    13th November 2011 at 7:39 pm

  15. Colma Rising says:


    The Philadelphia Eagles have smacked the NFC, in general, in the face for well over a decade… You wouldn’t find a 49er fan not wary of the Eagles.

    Tonight was the playoff.

    The “New York Football” Giants are no team to take lightly. Personally, I chuckled with glee when they rubbed “Pretty Boy” Brady’s face in the dirt for National enjoyment a few years back, but with such knowledge, I was wary.

    But the ’9ers proved to me I have nothing to fear.

    Tonight WAS my playoff.

    Mortal Lock

    13th November 2011 at 7:49 pm

  16. SSS says:

    Ok, religion to football.

    Cards smash Eagles. Sweet. I win $800 in cash and prizes in a golf tournament this weekend. Double sweet. Life is good.

    13th November 2011 at 8:59 pm

  17. Stucky says:

    Krist. Only on TBP can a thread about evil morph in a discussion about the Eagles.

    Oh … wait …. that’s the same thing. Nevermind.

    13th November 2011 at 8:59 pm

  18. Administrator says:


    Were any of your opponents under the age of 85?

    13th November 2011 at 9:08 pm

  19. Administrator says:



    13th November 2011 at 9:08 pm

  20. Persnickety says:

    Stucky’s abbreviated version FTW!

    Anyone got a scorecard of how many kids were raped/molested by the “priests” of any atheist church you care to name?

    How about murders in the name of Allah vs. murders in the name of atheism?

    13th November 2011 at 9:39 pm

  21. Persnickety says:


    13th November 2011 at 9:40 pm

  22. SSS says:


    Mostly 50s, 60s, and 70s. A few 30s and 40s in the golf tournament. I bet $30 my partner and I would win. We did. Paid $300 cash. Plus I won $500 in prizes.

    And here’s the best part. I’m not declaring a fucking nickel of any of this on my income tax next year. And it’s right here on the Internet. And one of our opponents on the first day was a retired IRS tax attorney.

    I’m such a rebel.

    13th November 2011 at 10:30 pm

  23. AKAnon says:

    SSS-Way to walk on the wild side.

    13th November 2011 at 11:11 pm

  24. TeresaE says:

    Do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

    Evil only flourishes because not doing the right thing is sometimes so much easier than any other path.

    I don’t understand much of the world anymore. People are vocally moral and in reality so corrupted that I’m sick.

    I cannot, for the life of me, understand HOW a grown man walked in and saw an old pervert fucking a 10 year old and not DO something right then.

    Once, ok a couple times, long ago, I put myself in between a man and a wife, and a man and another man, because I am seem to be (or was) completely incapable of standing by and watching the bigger man, bully, to hurt someone else that is smaller and less able to defend themselves. So I threw my ass in. The cops lectured me for a long time about “getting involved” when you are 5 ft tall and weigh 105 pounds (and I thought I was fat, my how the world has changed). I told them I did not give a fuck. I’d do it again. So sorry.

    I might have killed the sunuvabitch had I walked in. I’ve only seen red a couple times in my life, I have to believe that seeing an adult abuse a child in that way would do it.

    Over 70% (might be more, I don’t care to look it up) in America declare themselves Christian.

    Look the fuck around. Are these Christian acts?

    Are the thieving, lying, freedom strangling, politicians, most declared Christians of all stripes, writing “Christian” laws?

    What the fuck people.

    I don’t know if there is a “god.” I don’t know if there is not. I don’t know if there is and he does not give a true flying fuck with us piss-ants. All I know is that I don’t want to leave this world worse for my being here. I’ve always wondered if Manson’s mother was sorry she didn’t abort him before she fucked him in the head as badly as he had to have been to commit the horrors he did. If you knew your child would unleash the hounds of hell upon other humans would you do nothing? I’m not sure I could do nothing.

    Why are we more likely to turn the other cheek when we witness the destruction of a fellow human, unless we can kick him on his way down?

    There are truly good people, then there are monsters that masquerade as good people.

    The world sucks. Again, I don’t know if there is a god, but I do know that the whole “say sorry and get a ‘get out of jail free’ card” is an utter bullshit thing when it comes to the likes of Sandusky or Tookie or Dahlmer. And maybe it should be bullshit for the likes of Madoff, Dimon and Frank too.

    As for the Eagles, I miss football.

    14th November 2011 at 12:15 am

  25. bigargon says:


    “murders in the name of atheism?”

    Stalinist Russia ~ 50 million
    Maoist China ~ 30 million
    Pol Pot Cambodia ~ 2 million

    the atheists kind of forget about the 20th Century.

    So often we want to blame God for the Evil of man. the truth of the matter people have used religion, political systems and connections to powerful offices, as a cover to exercise naked abuses of power and fulfilling destructive appetites.

    In recent years we have seen this play out, often unchecked. From the banks that have stole billions , to Sandusky who continued to rape young boys years after being discovered, we live in a society that can no long tell good from evil.

    that said, it is easy to point fingers at the “evil” of the world and forget the evil that is in our own hearts. That is the evil we are accountable for.

    14th November 2011 at 5:02 am

  26. Anonymous says:

    Persnickety says:

    How about murders in the name of Allah vs. murders in the name of atheism?

    snickety, How many examples of murder by atheism do you need?

    Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900
    By R.J. Rummel
    Charlottesville, Virginia:
    Center for National Security Law,
    School of Law, University of Virginia, 1997; and Transaction Publishers, Rutgers University
    Thus, the new world total: old total 1900-1999 = 174,000,000. New World total = 174,000,000 + 38,000,000 (new for China) + 50,000 (new for Colonies) = 262,000,000.

    Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5′, then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century.

    In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century’s international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone–one communist country– well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

    14th November 2011 at 6:26 am

  27. flash says:

    pernsickity, Wars are always about power and the access to resources made available by that power . You could even pretend that the current wars being fought in around the ME are about Christianity versus Islam and not about power, resources and the expansion of Empire , just this tiem it’s not the Ottoman that’s the threat.

    If the Pope had not rallied the Europeans behind the crucifix , we’d all be speaking Arabic now.

    And besides the Templars made off with quite a haul of loot form the Holy Land.Look it up sometime.


    14th November 2011 at 6:43 am

  28. Administrator says:


    I just made $10,000 for turning in a tax cheat to the IRS.

    14th November 2011 at 7:24 am

  29. flash says:

    @ admin-
    You turned in Congress?

    Speaking of evil, chalk up two more victories for the dark side. Evil marches on.


    Why was it that at the most recent Republican debate, the CBS moderator did not ask the candidates about their position on invading Greece and Italy? If the world democratic revolution is to continue to sweep the globe for the benefit of mankind, how can any backsliding into authoritarian oligarchy be permitted, particularly when the potent historical symbols of Athens and Rome are concerned?

    The events of the last two weeks have shattered the 50-year myth of democracy’s inevitable progress. What will be the next nation to fall from the ranks of the democratic nations of the world? Will it be Portugal? Will it be Spain? Or will it be the United States?

    14th November 2011 at 7:47 am

  30. Persnickety says:

    For those listing murders by communists as “murders in the name of atheism” – you’re idiots. Maybe you just got brainwashed by the tripe taught in US public schools. Sure, communists are supposed to be atheists, but those are murders done for a political philosophy, not a religious one.

    But, just to be nice, I’ll add everyone killed by all the non-communist powers in WWI and WWII to the murders committed by Christians. I mean, Hitler, Mussolini, Churchill, FDR – they all CLAIMED to be Christian, OBVIOUSLY all those killed were killed IN THE NAME OF Christianity. By your logic.

    14th November 2011 at 10:16 am

  31. flash says:

    snickity, Christian don’t commit mass murder and regardless , if they did they would no longer be practicing Christians therefore not Christian in the New Testament sense.

    I can say I’m a brain surgeon all day long and maybe even convince a few ignorant,easily led fools, but as soon as I start to operate on patients , the truth comes out.

    BTW, where in the hell did you get it that Hitler was Christian …you should be careful. you’re treading on slingshot turf…..unless of course you are slingshot , then never mind.
    Or any of the other evil ass cracks either.


    All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

    Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

    National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

    10th October, 1941, midday:

    Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

    14th October, 1941, midday:

    The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…. …the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…. Christianity the liar…. We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

    19th October, 1941, night:

    The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

    21st October, 1941, midday:

    Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer…. The decisive falsification of Jesus’ doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work… for the purposes of personal exploitation…. Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

    13th December, 1941, midnight:

    Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…. …. When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

    14th December, 1941, midday:

    Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself…. Pure Christianity– the Christianity of the catacombs– is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

    9th April, 1942, dinner:

    There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

    27th February, 1942, midday:

    It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors– but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold .” (p 278)

    14th November 2011 at 12:32 pm

  32. flash says:

    snickity, you should get back on the porch.

    Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:

    “The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”

    This is the text only text version and incidentally one of three web sites on the entire web that feature the secret OSS documents that detailed the Nazi Master Plan to Persecute Christian Churches. I’ve set up another site with the all of the original documents in image form (.jpeg).
    But He was no Christian, and his movement was no celebration of Christianity. He thought ill of Christianity, preferring Islam for its warrior spirit:

    “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”

    (Adolf Hitler, quoted by Albert Speer, p. 96, Inside the Third Reich.)
    The above article is adapted in part from here by John Ray (M.A.;Ph.D.).

    14th November 2011 at 12:37 pm

  33. bigargon says:

    “For those listing murders by communists as “murders in the name of atheism” – you’re idiots. Maybe you just got brainwashed by the tripe taught in US public schools. Sure, communists are supposed to be atheists, but those are murders done for a political philosophy, not a religious one.”

    But isn’t atheism by its very nature not a religious philosophy? But one of the main tenants of Communism is Atheism. there is no escaping that.

    That all said i don’t hold Atheists accountable for the deaths of the Communist 20th century. what i point out the rather strawman-ish attempt, to pin all violence and “evil” on “religion”. That is silly and shallow.

    Evil is more often a product of Pride, selfishness or likely the greatest threat Selflessness wrapped in a shroud of Pride. It can be masked in religion, it can be masked political ideology, or a group seeking the “greater good.”

    Really of it self Evil has no reality, it but a perversion of a good.

    CS Lewis’s The Screwtape Letters say it the best:

    “Never forget that when we are dealing with any pleasure in its healthy and normal and satisfying form, we are, in a sense, on the Enemy’s (God’s) ground. I know we have won many a soul through pleasure. All the same, it is His invention, not ours. He made all the pleasures: all our research so far has not enabled us to produce one. All we can do is to encourage the humans to take pleasures which our Enemy has produced, at times, or in ways, or in degrees, which He has forbidden. Hence we always try to work away from the natural condition of any pleasure to that in which it is least natural, least redolent of its Maker, and least pleasurable.”
    The Screwtape Letters pg. 41-42

    14th November 2011 at 4:19 pm

  34. pelhamlegal says:

    Those who do not believe in God have to ignore the tremendous amount of historical, archeological and scientific evidence aout Jesus. We know more about the last days of the life of Jesus than any other person from ancient history. Jesus’ claim to be the Son of God launched the greatest movement in human history. Two thousand years have passed, yet today over a billion people believe that he was the Son of God. Followers of Jesus can be found in every nation on earth from simple peasants to brillant, well educated scholars at Oxford and are committed and believe that the Gospel record is correct. Time and space are limited here and I suggest that all who want to know the truth read JESUS: THE GREAT DEBATE by Jeffrey. Then read a ESV study bible. The ESV is a word for word translation of the original Greek/Hebrew text.

    14th November 2011 at 4:23 pm

  35. Stoneman85 says:

    Calvin summed it up in the Doctrines of Grace:

    T – Total Depravity of Man
    U – Unconditional Election
    L – Limited Atonement
    I – Irresistable Grace
    P – Perseverence of the Saints

    Acts 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.

    Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    14th November 2011 at 5:05 pm

  36. Stoneman85 says:

    I choose to believe the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents, written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies, and they claim to be divine rather than human in origin.
    ~ Dr. Voddie Baucham

    14th November 2011 at 5:10 pm

  37. Stucky says:

    ” We know more about the last days of the life of Jesus than any other person from ancient history.”

    Is that right? Other then the 4 gospels please name the sources that contain this vast amount of information.
    “The ESV is a word for word translation of the original Greek/Hebrew text.”

    Wrong. There are no original texts. None. Nada. Zippo. The very earliest “text” is from about the year 300. And those texts are incomplete pages of some of the bible. And it certainly wasn’t in the original language but already translated and copied from another language.

    An analogy. Let’s say not one single copy of the Constitution survived past 1780. Them in 2080 a Mexican unearths 3 pages of it … and from that he “re-constructs” the entire Constitution in Spanish. Fuckin’ crazy, ain’t it? But that’s the problem you have with your “original Greek text”.
    Lastly, PLEASE DON’T reply! I post this stuff for people who don’t know-it-all — not for people like you who do know it all.

    14th November 2011 at 5:59 pm

  38. Persnickety says:

    pelhamlegal: so many fallacies, so little time. I’ll just note that a word-for-word translation from ancient Greek would be unreadable babble (Zucchini trashcan mouthwash. Radio frequency!), and a “literal” translation is not really possible given the differences in meaning and use of words between the languages.

    I’m sure that the ESV folks don’t mention this sort of problem, of course.

    14th November 2011 at 7:30 pm

  39. pelhamlegal says:

    Stucky says: PLEASE DON’T REPLY. This says more than anything else you could say. None are so blind as those who will not see. So sad. You will find out that one day ” at the name of Jesus every knee will bow….and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” I pray that you and others will not wait until it is too late.

    15th November 2011 at 4:48 am

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