The editorial below was in my paper yesterday. It really grabbed my attention. It was from Dale McFeatters of the Scripps News Service. They are a liberal leaning organization. Their editorials skew to the left. They are sick and tired of Occupy Wall Street. They say it is time to go home and work through the existing establishment rules, regulations and captured party system.

Mayor Bloomberg is an Independent. He is sick and tired of Occupy Wall Street. He destroyed their encampment site yesterday and is fed up with their tactics. He also happens to be a multi-billionaire whose wealth was created from selling his product to Wall Street.

The Mayor of Phila is an ultra-liberal who just won re-election in this bastion of Democratic politics with 75% of the vote. He went on TV this week and said he is fed up with Occupy Phila and their refusal to move when his City Hall construction project begins.

The Mayor of Oakland makes the Mayor of Phila look like a conservative. She ordered an all out attack on the Occupy Oakland encampment.

Fox News and the Wall Street Journal despise the Occupy Wall Street movement and spew lies and misinformation about the movement 24 hours per day. They are the mouthpiece of right wing neo-con Rupert Murdoch, a multi-billionaire. The NY Daily News has been highly critical of the movement and is owned by left leaning Mort Zuckerman.

The narrow minded people who are easily led by the MSM buy into the various storylines spun by a media that does not want this movement to gain traction. They are distracted by minutia when the big picture is so disgusting. They applaud as young people brave enough to fight the elements and make a stand against corruption are bludgeoned and imprisoned for exercising their right to free speech and public assembly, while remaining silent as Wall Street bankers committed the crime of the century – absconding with trillions of American middle class wealth.

Step back for a moment and think. Who is the enemy? Is it really the thousands of young people just starting their lives and lashing out against a system that is designed to benefit Wall Street bankers, Mega Corporations and politicians of both parties in Washington DC?

The enemy is clear to me. The entire financial/corporate/political establishment is corrupt, dysfunctional, and benefits only the ruling oligarchy of this country. The nation’s lifeblood has been sucked dry by these vampires. The entire system has been hijacked by the few. You can call it crony capitalism or corporate fascism, but the bottom line is that the average American is getting screwed and the people getting the most screwed are the Millenial generation that is being left with an un-payable debt burden, no jobs, and no hope for a better tomorrow. This is why they are enraged. This is why they are protesting.

The self righteous Boomer generation leaders who control the levers of power in Washington DC, Wall Street and the corporate boardrooms do not want the system to change. They like the system just fine. Therefore, they hate a movement that threatens their wealth, power, and status. Both parties are frightened by the Occupy movement. The left and the right have their talking points and the existing system works just fine as they both get enriched as the country plunges deeper into debt by $4 billion per day.

The non-thinking and willfully ignorant people of this country need to snap out of their daze and think for themselves. The endless propaganda spewed at them day after day has dulled their sense of right and wrong. The Occupiers have begun to open the eyes of some people. They have forced a discussion of issues the establishment wants to keep buried. Neither Bush or Obama has attempted to go after the criminals on Wall Street. That is the tell. Both parties are captured. The Dodd-Frank bill was a toothless 700 page waste of time written by bank lobbyists.

When I see people and pundits declare the Occupy Movement irrelevant, I laugh at their utter stupidity. Would hundreds of billions been transferred from the criminal Wall Street banks to credit unions without the Occupy Movement spurring this effort? Would the $5 per month debit card fee inflicted on Americans by the criminal Wall Street banks been withdrawn without the rage and anger of the Occupy Movement? The answer is NO. Wall Street hates having the Eye of Mordor focused on their criminal and immoral activities.

This movement will not die because police thugs kick them out of parks using their 100,000 rules, regulations, ordanances, laws, and curfews. A society that depends on so many laws to “protect” its citizens has descended into a moral cesspool. I don’t need laws to tell me right from wrong and moral from immoral. The heart of these protests is a system that is broken. There will be many different solutions offered by those that are angry, but the BIG PICTURE is that the system must be brought down. It will not fix itself. Tinkering on the edges will not fix it.

We are in the midst of a Fourth Turning. It is a chaotic and confusing time. Anger, misery and bloodshed are a given. The existing social order will be swept away. That is guaranteed. What replaces it will be up to us. I’ll support any movement that spits in the eye of the establishment. I’ll support people like Ron Paul that want to tear down the established order. Everyone will need to choose sides. There is no fence sitting during the Fourth Turning. I hope you are pissed off. I know I am. 

Editorial: Occupy protesters have made their point. Now go home

Submitted by SHNS on Mon, 11/14/2011 – 15:20

In 1981, a group of demonstrators set up camp outside a British air base to protest the government’s decision to allow U.S. nuclear-tipped cruise missiles to be based there.

The Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp initially generated a great deal of publicity, inspired imitators in other countries, sporadically tried to block access to the air base, and perhaps reached its zenith in 1983 when as many as 70,000 people turned out for one of their demonstrations.

The women survived several attempts by police to evict them, and eventually the authorities left their tent cities alone, as long as the women, and they were almost all women, confined themselves to picketing, leafleting and chanting.

In 1991, thanks to a nuclear-arms treaty with the Soviet Union, the last of the cruise missiles were removed, taking with them, one would have thought, the reason for the camp. But the women stayed on for nine more years, expressing an increasingly vague and inchoate commitment to “peace.” Many of the Greenham women cited a sense of unity, sisterhood, shared purpose and, when pressed, little desire to return to the humdrum routine of their former lives.

One senses that, in accelerated fashion, the Occupy Wall Street movement has arrived at that point. On Wall Street and in cities across the country, the protesters have effectively made their point about income inequality — the 1 percent versus the 99 percent; lopsided tax breaks given to hedge-fund managers and the proclivity of Wall Streeters to lavishly reward themselves regardless of whether their performance merits it. And, yes, economically the great middle class has been stagnant for a decade or more.

As the Occupy movement drags on — the first encampment went up Sept. 17 — the issues that inspired it are receding in the public consciousness and the issue has increasingly become the encampments themselves.

There have been problems of noise, sanitation, isolated incidents of crime and violence and the inevitable run-ins with police, but generally the Occupy movement has been a benign one. But its time in the public square is over. Public space meant for the enjoyment of the many should not be arrogated to advance the interests of the few.

Go home. Find political candidates who share your views and go to work for them. Raise money. Man phone banks. Knock on doors. Help the poor and minorities and those with limited English get government IDs in states that have passed voter-suppression laws.

And don’t forget to vote yourself. It really works in this country. Always has.

(Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, http://www.scrippsnews.com)


  1. “I’ll support people like Ron Paul that want to tear down the established order.”

    That’s it? That’s all we have to do and everything will be alright with the world? What will the “new” established order look like? I’ll go back to living like I did in the 40’s and 50’s. Will you?

  2. “Step back for a moment and think. Who is the enemy? Is it really the thousands of young people just starting their lives and lashing out against a system that is designed to benefit Wall Street bankers, Mega Corporations and politicians of both parties in Washington DC?”

    Reminds me of a song……

  3. “The NY Post has been highly critical of the movement and is owned by left leaning Mort Zuckerman.”

    Assuming you are referring to the newspaper owned by Mr. Zuckerman, I think you mean the New York Daily News in this instance.

  4. It’s almost funny how irritated/annoyed/angry these MSM commentators and local government officials have gotten and how they are all so anxious to tell the protesters what they “ought” to do. I think they are all pissed off that they have not been able to co-opt it.

    And they really don’t get it. The point of free speech is that anyone can go to a public place and say whatever they want about society or the government. No one should get to decide when someone else “ought” to go into the street instead of “manning the phone banks” for some Boomer politician and what they “ought” to be saying.

    Even if you don’t agree with what any particular protester is saying, you ought to be happy that they are able to go say it publicly. That’s how this country is supposed to work.

    What these blowhards are really saying is that they don’t like speech that they can’t control and put in their own little political box or “values” category. And it also shows that Boomers still aren’t willing to admit that they have essentially failed as a generation in their stewardship of this country. They would rather deny the obvious and blame the young for stating publicly that the Emperor has no clothes.

  5. thats the point—-everyone should be pissed off–they are pissed off because they know occupy is correct and most americans hate being forced to see their own errors.cognitive dissonance reigns .

  6. This should piss of a few people here.



    Sanity prevails — but ‘Occupy’ loons just don’t get it

    Posted: 3:17 AM, November 16, 2011

    Finally. Common sense and decency — not to mention ordinary rules of sanitation — reign downtown.

    For two months, the lunatics had taken over the asylum, as if the right to use a park as a public outhouse was in the Constitution.

    But yesterday, in a display of courage I didn’t think he possessed, the mayor got it.

    He ordered the cleansing of festering Zuccotti Park.

    Sexual assault, rape, thievery and the scamming of gullible people into donating their hard-earned cash for nefarious purposes — including the possible purchase of drugs — had become not the exception but the norm at the Occupy Wall Street enclave. For weeks.


    Yesterday evening, Supreme Court Judge Michael Stallman proved he got it, too. He upheld the ban on tents, bedrolls and all manner of paraphernalia there.

    It will no longer be easy for the Occupiers to occupy. Not if they don’t want to catch pneumonia or tuberculosis, which has broken out at Occupy Atlanta.

    Still, giddy protesters yesterday showed little sign of slowing down.

    A hard-core throng of Zuccotti denizens vowed last night to remain in the recently decontaminated encampment until the end of time.

    Tommy Fox, 54, has slept in Zuccotti, he believes, 51 days.

    Make that “52 days,’’ he corrected. “I’ve been here two months. I’ve been here seven of the eight weeks.’’

    Fox said he organized the donation of apartments to protesters who didn’t care to sleep outside.

    Makes him sound curiously like a member of the dreaded 1 percent of richest Americans.

    For most of yesterday, until way after dark, a depleted number of Zuccotti protesters milled around, whining.

    A bunch of them had spent the day holding up signs or shouting at the infinitely patient cops, who should be rewarded, not maligned, for taking abuse from silver-spoon sickos. For New York’s Finest, it’s all in a day’s work.

    One man marched around the park, evidently forgetting that he was holding the hand of his young daughter. He hurled abuse at Department of Sanitation workers stationed inside Zuccotti.

    Earlier, these same workers had cleaned up the filth and disease that scum like him left behind.

    “Sanitation Department is scabs!’’ he railed.

    At that moment, a young woman with a pierced nose and lips walked by, proudly displaying a sign that said, “F–k Bloomberg!’’

    I asked a woman standing next to me with a baby in a stroller if she approved of the message. She muttered something about her baby needing to learn to read and write sometime. Nice.

    The protest has run out of gas, ideas and reason for existence. But few, it seems, want the drug-and-hook-up party to end just yet.

    “Hey, you got any money?’’ a tattooed, foul-smelling man went around the park asking. It wasn’t clear if he was a protester or one of the many hangers-on who have become indistinguishable from the supposedly noble breed.

    The party is over at Zuccotti, but for the whining.

    Good riddance.


  7. The cognitive dissonance aspect is a big one. I think a related aspect is the inability of most people past a certain age – roughly 50 to 60 depending on the person – to change any of their views or adapt to changing circumstances, no matter how blatantly obvious. My parents are fairly intelligent but just cannot get their minds around the idea that the Democratic party has not actually been good for them or for the masses of middle class and working class that it purports to work for. I tell them time and again that it’s not partisan, that I’m not proposing that Republicans are better, that the two parties are barely distinguishable now and they need to understand that it’s a false choice – but they just can’t seem to get that idea.

  8. Hollow Man & Dragline-Yes, exactly. To all who say Occupy is doing nothing, it is significant to be pissing off all these shitbag mayors, and exposing the MSM for the hypocrites that they are. To say nothing of bringing issues into mainstream conversation. Could the Occupiers use their efforts more efficiently? Maybe so, but it’s not my place to judge their choice. Nor Scripps’ place.

  9. OWS has gotten considerable attention, even if a lot of it was negative MSM spin, and it is rapidly lifting the curtains on our existing police state. People will start waking up. Not all at once, not instantly, but over time.

  10. @Persnickety sez: “I think a related aspect is the inability of most people past a certain age – roughly 50 to 60 depending on the person – to change any of their views or adapt to changing circumstances, no matter how blatantly obvious.”

    Muck About sez: “Fuck thee very much, Oh Persnickerable Master of the Mind.” I’ll be in my 75th Year on January 1, 2012, and I’ll kick your butt anytime as far as changing my mind is concerned. I can flip flop faster that Romney on snotted skates. I can dodge a position with the faery grace of Pelosi on stilts. I can talk more seriously AND for a longer period while at the same time favoring two opposing ideas than Obamamama. I can write a paragraph two sentences long that even John Boehner can’t make heads or tails of.

    So take your little “50 or 60” and stuff it in with concrete that’s between your ears.


  11. This should really piss of a few people here.
    1) — Oakland mayor … OWS shutdowns were planned …. 18 cities simultaneously ..

    “Embattled Oakland Mayor Jean Quan, speaking in an interview with the BBC casually mentioned that she was on a conference call with leaders of 18 US cities shortly before a wave of raids broke up Occupy Wall Street encampments across the country. “I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation. . . .”

    2) — Homeland Security likely organized the crack downs


    3) — Police told to find ANY legal reason … use overwhelming force .. with no Press nearby

    According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present.


    1. Stuck

      Great post. You can clearly see the conspiracy of the establishment and how this country is becoming a police state before our very eyes. But don’t worry the finale of Dancing With the Stars is this week.

  12. Now, now, Muck, we all know Persnickety really meant “Boomer”, and you are a Silent. I think my Silent parents changed their minds just about every presidential election from 1968-2000. We know you don’t mind coming to an agreement as long as there’s a reasonable process.

    I do give the Silents some credit for being able to work together in the 1980s during the last real reforms to Social Security and the tax code. It wasn’t perfect and didn’t solve everything, but its better than what we have now. And the Silent congresses were at least functional, unlike the Boomer ones that have drifted from chaos and mudslinging in the late 1990s into the complete and total dysfunction that we see now.

    Also give the Silents credit for forming the Concord Coalition in the early 1990s, even though the idea of balancing the budget in spite of ideology still hasn’t gained much traction in nearly two decades.

  13. Muck – does reading comprehension fall with age? I hadn’t thought so, but you apparently missed the “most” in front of “people past a certain age,” not to mention the “depending on the person.”

    S’ok, TBP will soon be available in a large-print format that’s read out loud slowly using common 1940’s slang and idioms.

  14. A NJ Tea Party group filed suit against Sec. Sebelius, arguing Obamacare was unconstitutional on 15 counts.

    The suit was accepted by the US Supreme Court yesterday.

    We lobbied SCOTUS and our legislators – and won!

    This is what change and restoring US Constitution looks like folks.

    Bet ya didn’t read any references to Tea Party in the volume of MSM reports yesterday, did ya?

    No, of course not. They would die first rather than report the truth which enhances TP cred.

    Here’s the info…

    Obamacare to Supreme Court – NJ Petitioners on the Docket
    By now everyone has heard that Obamacare is headed to the Supreme Court, but what you may not know that is The Supreme Court has docketed the case Purpura v , Sebelius as docket number 11-7275

    This case can restore the Constitution to its original intent. Unlike the other cases this case identifies 19 specific violations of the US Constitution by the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and how the harm of each violation affects each and every person specifically. Real, imminent harm that will occur and is occurring. Read more here.

    Background: On September 24, 2010 a forty-two page, fifteen count lawsuit was filed in Southern NJ District Court by Nicholas Purpura and Don Laster, et al v. Kathleen Sebelius, HHS Secretary, Timothy Geithner, Treasury Secretary and Hilda Solis, Labor Secretary.

    For those of you who have been following the actions of Purpura v Sebelius and who have seen the lawyers on Tea Time, http://www.youtube.com/NJTeaPartyCoalition#p/u/2/iMkyZb3A350 (take the time to hear what they outline as to how this was engineered in oppostion to the rules and regulations in Congress), you will be interested in the below Press Release. Nick Purpura and Don Laster have taken this on as private citizens and they are leading the fight in NJ for the assaults on our Constitution.

    You can get involved!

    1. Write a letter to the Supreme Court Requesting they choose Purpura v. Sebelius as the lead Petition for the challenges to the law.

    Here are the Justices names.

    The Honorable (name of Justice here)
    United States Supreme Court
    One First Street, N.E.
    Washington, D.C. 20543
    Dear (Madam, Mr. Or Chief) Justice,

    Please write now!!!

    2. Forward this email to all on your list

    “For immediate release ”

    The Supreme Court has docketed the case Purpura v , Sebelius as docket case number 11-7275. This case can restore the Constitution to its original intent. Unlike the other cases this case identified 19 specific violations of the US Constitution and how the harm of each violations effect each and every person specifically. Real imminent harm that will and is occurring.

    The problem with all the other cases related to the health care law is that they only address a limited number of violations. And even then many of the arguments are not fully addressed. The common item is the violation of the Commerce Clause andAmendment 10. For instance the case Florida ex rel. Bondi et al. v. HHS et al. focus on the Individual Mandate but failed to address the side effects of the Individual Mandate. For instance, if the Government can order someone to buy a product what else can be ordered. Is this regulating commerce or is it dictating commerce? Isn’t this also the very essence of involuntary servitude? Who, after all, would buy health-care insurance in advance if all they need do is wait until they get sick and then apply?

    But what about all of the other provisions in the law to insure the Individual Mandate is obeyed? To fail to hear Purpura v. Sebelius would clearly deprive the American people of a “fair and full” hearing on the constitutionality of the law. Just recently the HHS has started to implement the requirements to collect medical records on everyone. But doesn’t Amendment 4 state “… to be secure in their persons, housings, papers, and effects, …”? So how can law give the government the privilege to invade a person’s privacy without any just cause? But this is just one of the 19 violations.
    As with many laws one must look at the whole law and what it does. Purpura v. Sebelius cites with specificity and particularity throughout the 15 Counts of the Petition 19 specific violations of the U.S. Constitution. Violations that range from the origination of the law in the Senate, to its signing by a person who has admitted he is not eligible to sign bills into law. Shocked? Examine the eligibility requirements to be President and then compare that to Mr Obama’s statements about his parentage.
    Even our right to not have our life, liberty and property seized without at least some due process is violated by this law – yes Amendment 5 is out the window. And don’t expect to go to Court to challenge the government. The law prohibits judicial review. Our Courts and Judges are made powerless to protect the common man. The men and women who are supposed to protect us against an overreaching government have been made into powerless figure heads. Rubber stamps to the over reaching dictates of the faceless bureaucrat.

    The Petitioners submitted a Motion to Expedite for Extraordinary Circumstance as allowed by Supreme Court Rule 21. Surely, following the Courts review of Purpura v. Sebelius the inadequacy of the Florida ex rel. Bondi et al. v. HHS et al. and the other cases will become evident. Especially since, Petitioners proved the violations by citing provisions in the law that clearly violate Amendments 1, 4, 5, 8, 10, 13, 14, and 16. Also identified are violations of various provisions of Articles 1, 2, 4, and 6. This law even violates the Posse Comitatus Law, Title VII of the Civil Rights Law, HIPAA, and the Anti-Trust Laws which were intended to protect us from invasive and dictatorial government power.

    To ignore these violations would clearly be a violation of the Supreme Court’s fiduciary duty and responsibility to protect the Constitution, the rule of law and the people. In all fairness to the Supreme Court it is understandable it was unable to consider the Petition within the one-day window prior to giving the Defendants an opportunity to reply. Even considering that the opposition has failed to respond as required numerous times in the Circuit and District Courts. The Supreme Court now has a Petition before it with irrefutable evidence that changes the dynamics. I can only pray that after reading the Government’s response, if one is presented, our Supreme Court will hear this case. Of course the Government may decide to gamble and not reply – after all they have no defense or they would have presented one in the District Court. I can only pray the Supreme Court recognized the importance of this case and elects to hear the case.

    Considering the issues put before the Court, the Court can issue a sua sponte order opting to choose Purpura v. Sebelius as the lead Petition for the challenges to the law. This would result in each of the violations identified being addressed and putting the country back on the road to real rule of law under the U.S. Constitution.

    Of the utmost importance for the Republic, each Constitutional challenge submitted by Purpura v. Sebelius must be addressed to set a precedent to protect the Petitioners and all Americans against the violations contained in the law and Congress’ refusal to adhere to the U.S. Constitution. Since when can our Republic, which is instituted by a written Constitution, create a law, to name just a few items, that eliminates judicial review (Amendment 5), allow real warrantless searches (Amendment 4), create excessive fines (Amendment 8), give special privileges to religious sects (Amendment 1), impose unequal treatment (Amendment 14), and violating existing laws without repealing them?

    I can only pray the people of the United States let their Representatives know about Purpura v, Sebelius (Supreme Court Docket Case No. 11-7275), as well as every person, newspaper and media outlet in the Nation, respectfully requesting that they do all in their power to have this Petition heard in its entirety. I ask for a “Miracle of 34th Street (1947)”. Respectfully ask the Supreme Court to address the “We the Peoples” case.


  15. Dragline – thanks, but my two living grandparents are “Greatest Generation” members and probably haven’t come to terms with any societal changes in 20-30 years. It’s not even worth attempting to discuss politics with them because they can only see it through a framework of lifelong partisan ties with parties that they conceptualize as actually doing the things they claim to be doing or in favor of.

    There are a few people of any age who still have open minds and can grasp changes in facts and societal shifts. The few I’ve met have been college professors and retired CEOs. Hence my statement above “most.” But it’s not remotely common in my experience.

  16. Not to be an asshole …. but can you all take this generational crap to the other thread?

    This is an OWS thread!!

    I vote Thumbs Down on this post.

  17. Persnickety; the more people ‘wake up’ the more people are going to ‘wake up’, and instant is a possibility. Are you familiar with morphic resonance? Interesting stuff. I’ll give you two examples: In England a woman witnessed a small sparrow like bird opening a milk carton. This behavior hadn’t been seen before. Within hours birds all over England, and indeed Europe, were doing this, even though not enough time had passed for the birds to migrate to areas where this was happening. In a human experiment, a face was hidden in a picture. After the first person noticed the hidden face the people who viewed the picture after him were able to see the face at a much higher rate. This experiment has been repeated with the same results. Interesting concept.


    Please note that the following two actions are now considered to be VIOLENT ACT in the Unites States of America;

    1) Chanting.
    2) Interlocking arms.

    If you are found doing these despicable acts you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as you should be, you evil law-breaking cocksuckers.

    ========================================================================= =

    “University police say the students, who chanted “You’re beating students” during the incident, WERE NOT INNOCENT BYSTANDERS”

    The individuals who linked arms and actively resisted, THAT IN ITSELF IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE,” UC police Capt. Margo Bennett said.


  19. Hahaha! I agree… OWS, for what its worth, has changed conversations AND pissed off knee-jerks, pluralists and rendered many as idiotic sounding as they’ve always been…

    I firmly believe that OWS was so organic in nature that it, as Stuchenboomer noted, probably has a hand in ruining some sinister plan or another at high levels.


    1. James

      Neil Howe is going to stop off in Phila on his next trip between DC and NYC and meet me for dinner. I’ve got lots of questions for him. I can’t wait to find out what he thinks will happen next.

  20. @Persnick: Ok, ok.. I gave you an upcheck and you’re a good boy.. I just hadn’t had a good fun time with words for a while and it overcame me.. My best to your grandparents and tell them not to sweat the little stuff.

    Now: Back to OWS.. The more TPTB stirs the pot the better. The more they conspire, the better. The more heads they knock, the better. Pretty soon, they’ll piss off a sufficient number of people that blood will be spilled and after that, who the fuck knows.

    We’re having a Occupy Moment here in my little Florida burg this weekend. If TPTB promise to throw in a demo of SWAT team tactics I might even go myself.. I don’t heal as fast as I used to though —


  21. “police thugs kick them out of parks using their 100,000 rules, regulations, ordinances, laws, and curfews. A society that depends on so many laws to “protect” its citizens has descended into a moral cesspool”

    Good stuff. I hope to God OWS doesn’t go away, only grows. Who else is taking a stand against the criminals in Washington and Wall Street?

    That’s a great quote, and says everything you need to know about our government, the politicians and lobbyists, and the fucking lawyers. They create more laws, regulations, ordinances and bullshit so they can further evade the rule of law, the constitution, and the bill of rights. The more laws they create, the fewer laws they follow. It’s like the tax code; the bigger it gets, the fewer corporations and billionaires pay taxes. As always, the average person who gets screwed and often jailed. We have more than 2 million people in jail while criminal bankers and financiers have stolen trillions and get away with it because they grease politicians. It’s a mess beyond comprehension, and OWS is trying to attack a beast the size of the Kraken without medusa’s head. What a fucking mess.

    The billionaires control the media. It’s all slanted and bullshit, but the stupid, fat and lazy population doesn’t care, as long as they can watch T.V. and eat doritos and drink cases of coke. Bread and circuses. We are going to fall, we’re racing to the bottom in so many ways. God help us.

  22. Admin, your message contained in this post must go viral through the OWS channels. I can’t imagine a better worded mass realignment of priorities and focus of the true purpose (nature) of the OWS movement with a clear picture of who their candidate should be in 2012. As you mentioned, only this kind of movement could organize and follow through with a mass movement of move $B’s of cash out of the TBTF and create enough outrage and awareness of corruption to compel BoA to pull back their $5 fees. Now OWS in my opinion is the only channel by which Ron Paul could have a shot at 2012, preferably as the 3rd party candidate. The 2012 OWS and true Tea Party candidate. I’m forwarding this to everyone I know in hopes that after reading it, they can possibly see and think more clearly about what’s really happening, and more importantly, what’s really at stake.

  23. Dale McFeatters “And don’t forget to vote yourself. It really works in this country. Always has’.

    Bull–effing -shit , changing the damn hood ornament on the Chevy Vega sitting on blocks in driveway hasn’t accomplished one damn thing.

    I guessing smoke ain’t all this assclown blows

  24. “changing the damn hood ornament on the Chevy Vega sitting on blocks in driveway hasn’t accomplished one damn thing.”

    That’s great, but be careful talking about Colma’s ride, Jefe might send over some hombres.

    Stuckenboomer: History will not be kind to the boomers. The tsunami against boomers is growing daily. I could post an article or two every day (by someone else). Even the boomers, those that aren’t as extremely self-centered, egotistical, and in denial as yourself, are starting to finally accept the damage done. Somebody has to herald Armageddon, and it’s the boomers.

  25. An Awakening, or Instant Karma sometimes does get you::

    This e-mail was forwarded to me this morning. While reading keep in mind the following quote from a recent comment by an intellligent, but narrow-minded, rather smug and clueless regular on this site:

    “They (many americans) are working with local government to enact laws that protect our rights and private property. Energy independence is a big part of the equation too. The states that drill for natural gas, oil will be stronger economically. Just look at North Dakota, Texas, parts of PA where drilling is in full swing. They’re prosperous and thriving.”

    Here’s the body of the e-mail – in full:

    “At 7pm on 11-14-2011, in spite of 22,094 comments objecting to this project, 35 bi-partisan PA state representatives, 2 state senators, the EPA, the Sierra Club, Damascus Citizens for Sustainability, and many other organizations across PA, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved and granted a certificate to Inergy/CNYOG to begin construction on the MARC-1 Pipeline Project. With this certificate, FERC has granted them the power to exercise eminent domain on private property owners who can not agree to their terms, or simply chose to say, no to having a 30” pipeline run across their property, even if it means the loss of use of that property by the property owner for agriculture, farming, recreation, or simply to have a safe quite property where we can raise our families, or pass on to future generations. (see: attached FERC notice of approval)

    “To add insult to injury, the environmental protections, set-backs from residential areas, upgraded materials and safety standards have apparently been removed from their application. They will primarily be using ‘class one’ safety standards, which means minimum safety precautions and materials, minimum noise control [if any], and emission/pollution controls.

    “It will also be the enabler for virtually hundreds of unregulated gathering lines, an unknown number of compressor stations, and turn: New Albany, Monroeton, Dushore, Laporte, Lake Mokoma, Sonestown, Muncy Valley, Beech Glen, Glenn Mawr, Picture Rocks, and Hughesville into a ‘drilling corridor for the gas industry. This signals the end of tourism, fishing, hunting, new home building, small businesses, as well as our way of life in the Endless Mountains. It will also have a devastating effect on property values, quality of life, public health and safety, while ultimately increasing property taxes to offset the damage to our already fragile infrastructure. Corporate profits that will socialize the cost to those who live in the most heavily impacted areas.

    “This permit, along with HB 1950 and SB 1100 that will remove, and prempt the right of municipalities to enact their own regulations, ordinances, laws, protections, and safety standards regarding oil and gas development in and around our communities.

    “In short, life as we’ve known it is now over for Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties, and life across rural PA. This change will not be for the better. A seven to ten year ‘boom/bust’ cycle, of which we are already 3.5 years into, will leave rural PA a toxic and unlivable industrial and economic waste land when all those ‘industry jobs’ move on. (see: attached PA Jobs Needs Assesment)

    “We owe our children, and our children’s children yet to be born, an apology for leaving this world in far worse shape than we received it, and for the burdensome financial responsibility for it they will inherit.

    “I’d like to remind everyone to take the opportunity to appropriately thank our obtuse local [Sullivan County Commissioners; Darla Bortz, Betty Reibson, and Bob Getz, Bradford County Commissioners John Sullivan and Doug McLinko] and state/federal lawmakers [Senator Pat Toomey & Congressman Tom Marino], who went out of their way to “urge FERC to overlook the concerns and interests of local citizens and approve the MARC-1.” (see: atached letter from Sullivan County Commissioners)

    “At this point, considering the FERC approval, and the horrific legislation poised to be passed, I no longer see a political solution, legislative remediies, or effective legal recourse to what is being forced upon us by the gas and oil industry with the consent of our elected leaders. Beyond an environmental problem, and a health and public safety problem, the bigger issue is that we have a democracy problem and a leadership problem in Pennsylvania that is bi-partisan.

    “Our system of government has morphed into a corrupt corpocracy whose goal is to control us by taking control of the essential ingredients of our existence: affordable & sustainable energy, pure water, clean air, and our sense of place.

    “This morning, I awoke in the security of my ‘home’. Tonight, I will lay down in just a ‘house’ that I happen own that has not had safe potable water for two months, and may never have again. I no longer have a ‘sense of place’, or a feeling of ‘home’ here, knowing that I have no voice, no rights as a PA citizen/property owner, and am of no concern to political/corporate the powers that be. I am, as we all are now in Pennsylvania, politically insignificant, and simply ‘in the way’ of the gas industry’s corporate special interests.”

    More and more frequently it’s not a matter of choice – you’re living in your dream bubble and it suddenly bursts – you get smashed in the face. Instant Karma knows no generational boundaries.


    “Y’all are hav’n a great intellectual conversation.” Just take the fucking red pill.

  26. “Wall Street hates having the Eye of Mordor focused on their criminal and immoral activities”

    Wall Street is Mordor.

    Dale McFeatters: What a stupid fucking cocksucker. Find candidates to solve this problem? Are you kidding? The stupid sheeple keep throwing out politicians and installing new ones, only they’re the same bought-off, corrupt, lying sacks of shit they threw out. Direct democracy, the only thing that will work.

  27. OWS pisses everybody off?

    ah, that is why i am down like charlie brown.

    the more people they piss off, the more i like ’em.

  28. A picture is worth a thousand words. The greatest financial fraud in history was revealed in 2008. Here is what happened to the criminals on Wall Street who perpetrated the crime.


  29. Howard

    Do you think tomorrow’s demonstrations will be bigger or smaller due to the destruction of the encampment?

  30. The elderly and pregnant attacked by police at OWS: http://rt.com/usa/news/police-occupy-seattle-francisco-503/

    A woman who gave her name as Jennifer and said she was two months pregnant is rushed to an ambulance after being hit with pepper spray at an Occupy Seattle protest on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 at Westlake Park.
    That same evening, Dorli Rainey, described by the Occupy Seattle movement as “a 4-foot 10-inch, 84-year-old woman” with ties to activist dating back decades, also became the victim of a pepper-spray assault from the Seattle Police Department.

  31. “The CPI report out this morning claims that health care expenses are up a bit more than 3% annualized over year-ago costs. That’s a lie: I just got my insurance renewal and it rose by almost-exactly 10% and that increase in cost has been nearly constant on an annualized basis for 20 years going back to when I was the guy negotiating our group plan for MCSNet!”

    Hmmmmmm, HMO profits have risen by this amount over the same time period. Also, obesity has gone up this exact amount over the same time period. A coincidence? I think not, as an insider.

  32. 84-year-old #OccupySeattle participant Dorli Rainey, pepper sprayed by #Seattle Police #Nov15


    She later wrote about the incident: “Something funny happened on my way to a transportation meeting in Northgate. As I got off the bus at 3rd and Pine I heard helicopters above. Knowing that the problems of New York would certainly precipitate action by Occupy Seattle, I thought I better check it out. Especially since only yesterday the City Government made a grandiose gesture to protect free speech. Well free speech does have its limits as I found out as the cops shoved their bicycles into the crowd and simultaneously pepper sprayed the so captured protesters. If it had not been for my Hero (Iraq Vet Caleb) I would have been down on the ground and trampled. This is what democracy looks like. It certainly left an impression on the people who rode the No. 1 bus home with me. In the women’s movement there were signs which said: “Screw us and we multiply.’”

  33. AWD: you said “Also, obesity has gone up this exact amount over the same time period. A coincidence? I think not, as an insider.”

    So you got a fat body to go with that fat mouth. Big Deal.

  34. Dave:

    Your like the drunk loser and/or retard and/or head injury and/or former mental patient and/or meth head and/or pedophile and/or thrice married psycho and/or gay dickwad with black lover and/or statutory rapist and/or fat slob and/or uneducated idiot and/or entitlement recipient and/or union member and/or government employee and/or panhandling bum and/or disco clothes wearing freak and/or facial deformity fuck and/or crowd penis fondling sicko and/or asshole person everyone hates and you can’t ever get away from because they are at work or your relative and/or, well, people can’t stand you fuckstick, why the hell can’t you take a hint, in the form of all the hatred directed your way, and get the fuck off TBP and never come back?

  35. Administrator says: “Howard: Do you think tomorrow’s demonstrations will be bigger or smaller due to the destruction of the encampment?”

    just guessing it will be bigger. but weather may be more of a factor. rain and a cool snap are suppose to end tomorrow early. i really don’t know. and of course i hope it will be huge.

    i know for certain, it will be bigger by one person than it would’ve been. rain or shine, i’ll be marching.

    1. howard

      Be careful out there. Take Smokey’s advice if they fire tear gas – DUCK!!!!

      I hope to get an article out of my meeting with Neil Howe.

  36. @admin

    i forgot; that is awesome you are gonna meet neil howe. i hope you can report the good parts of your conversation for us.

  37. “dave says:

    AWD: you said “Also, obesity has gone up this exact amount over the same time period. A coincidence? I think not, as an insider.”

    So you got a fat body to go with that fat mouth. Big Deal.”

    Hey Jim: Why don’t you inform that fuckwad AWD, WHO actually wrote the piece that he is responding to?

    In case some of you retards haven’t figured it out yet, sometimes when you leave a comment IT’S NOT YOUR NAME THAT IS IN THE NAME BOX!

    Now, don’t apologize fucktard, just give me another tongue-licking and a thumbs down.

  38. You sure told that poor Dave fellow a thing or two. You sure are mean. I wonder if it is because you are such a little cunt?

  39. Let’s not start this shit where you go all internet rambo again. We’ll just agree that shit was funny. Poor Dave was about to cry! That was awesome when he attempted to clue you in to the fact that “sometimes a different name appears in the box”

  40. Fred:

    Don’t start none, there won’t be none. Not sure what internet rambo is, but, next to Stucky and Lipoh, I can and will administer a shit-packing on anyone who asks.

  41. Because, thc, the ows movement would not bend to their co-opting.

    I’m glad talk radio and msm is “against” them… because the forme is a bunch of lying shit bag prozac-popping nardskins, in my opinion.

    I love the smell of whining coming from the slimey tube.

    Let them squirm.

  42. AWD says:


    Don’t start none, there won’t be none. Not sure what internet rambo is, but, next to Stucky and Lipoh, I can and will administer a shit-packing on anyone who asks.


    Interesting choice of words AWD, very interesting indeed.

  43. Stuck – which side of the see-saw are you on? Seems to me you are struggling with this – first you post an article on one side, then the other.

    Admin – you will be so pleased to know that I didn’t find much to object to in your pre-amble. (A couple of over the top descriptive sentences, but just a bit of literary license in the end.) Well done and well argued. (Seriously – no joke, just in case you are wondering.)

    However, I still do not believe that OWS will be a major catalyst. I believe that it has generated a lot of publicity. But I also think that there has been a significant amount of bad press, which seems to be escalating – MSM or not – and that “mainstream” folks will not join in in sufficient numbers to see OWS press urgent change.

    I still believe that only a major financial collapse will drive the needed change. Until then, I expect the sheeple will stay rooted in front of their big screen TVs munching on McDonalds, and considering their next SUV purchase. Only when these things are lost will they move. That is my opinion, anyway. OWS will perhaps nudge away at the periphery and perhaps plant a seed of an awakening, but it will take a massive economic shock to awaken the masses.

  44. @llpoh: Obviously, as a prime mover of the business sect, you are biased on the side of “no riots until there’s nothing left to loose” group.. I can understand why.

    Look at OWS as a painful pimple on a corrupted elephants ass – an “innie” by the way – you know the kind that when you squeeze it, instead of popping out like a well behaved pimple instead makes a dive beneath the epidermis and chub, vanishing until you’re through screwing around with it – then it pops back up and hurts some more.

    I have to say, I’m kind of proud of that simile. I hope OWS finds it useful in staying the course, popping up here and there, being a pain in the political ass and diving beneath the chub when shot at by bean bags and tear gas canisters, all the while Alt-Media spreading joy and pictures of those unfortunate enough to get whacked in the process.

    I’m not as sure as you are that it has to go as far as “nothing left to lose”. There are a lot of younger people (unemployed) out there that are no considered “main stream” in the context of thee and I.

    I’ll continue to support them in whatever feeble way I can, encouraging them to do their thing while guarding against injury to this old bod. A little tear gas I can handle but I’d hate like Hell to get smacked in the noggin and lose a nose and a pair of glasses to a bean bag. Or worse.

    Have a great AZ evening..


  45. Muck – the pimple analogy seems about right. They will be a nuisance. I just don’t see the pimple growing into melanoma until the financial system implodes in a big way. And I have no problem with doing a bit of protesting. Might consider it myself if I can remain safe, as you pointed out. I think I will try to miss the joy of teargas, though. That life-experience I will try to do without.

  46. Many Americans, from all political ideologies, including OWieS, are coming to understand that corruption, cronyism, lobbyism, in DC is the reason our republic is on the wrong track and that the same two party system that caused the mess cant possibly defuse the bomb they fabricated.

    In that I agree with the OWieS.

    Beyond that I dont have any real idea HOW they propose to do away with corruption or have seen what I consider a viable plan from the OWieS.

    Taxing the 1% isnt, I say, workable. It will, IMO, raise government revenue that the politicians will only be too happy to spend from special projects to more military operations. Romney is already talking about big increases in military spending.

    The OWieS remind me of a thing we called shotgun maintenance.Its where one takes a shotgun, aims it at the car, plane, boat etc, fires, and then says “replace everything that got hit” to fix a problem they havent been able to identify .

  47. @llpoh: Consider the chance that the uncooperative pimple will eventually turn into a suppurating, festering, boil of significant size and disturbing continual pain that it may drive TPTB into rash over-reaction and significant backlash.. Time will tell. I give it 40/60 that it will, depending on who eventually gets involved. If some name brand troops get tangled up in it, I’d go 70/30 for a positive outcome.

    If it goes to the point of nothing left to lose, then it’s 100/0 and run for the hills.


  48. “Many Americans, from all political ideologies, including OWieS, are coming to understand that corruption, cronyism, lobbyism, in DC is the reason our republic is on the wrong track and that the same two party system that caused the mess cant possibly defuse the bomb they fabricated.”

    Direct democracy, you lunk-heads. Some guy on here advocates it. People voting, controlling the proposition of legislation. Removal of politicians. Redo, reset, “of the people, by the people, for the people” in reality. Or, keep bitching and complaining. That’s all your good at anyway.

  49. “Stuck – which side of the see-saw are you on? Seems to me you are struggling with this – first you post an article on one side, then the other. ” ———— llpoh

    Ha! That’s because I have NOT made up my mind yet. Not enough data, and the data I have looked at changes too often.

    At this point, the best I can do is say I like certain aspects of OWS, and also dislike others.


    1. Getting the message out that Wall Street is corrupt … the 1% … end the fed.

    Hard to believe that people didn’t already know this. Whatever. OWS has brought the issue to the forefront, and that’s very, very good.

    2. FOX, other neocons, and even CNN hates them.

    I like anything these people hate. Kinda like, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

    3. Their commitment and passion.

    It takes a lot of both to sleep on a concrete slab, out in the open air, being deprived of even basic creature comforts ..

    4) Civil Disobedience !!!!

    I love that a lot. We need more of it. Eventually there will be a lot more. Fuck cops. Fuck mayors. Fuck their stupid made up rules. On the other hand, this is VERY mild pussified disobedience. C’mon! Refusing to disperse? Sleeping in the park? Pussies. Are there any Black Panthers out there they can consult? I mean the 60’s riots … now THAT was something!
    The Dislikes

    1) Organized chaos.

    Their lack of structure, organization, demands, goals. They seem to represent everything to everybody. Some folks see this as a strength. I do not.

    2) Bigger or More Involved Government

    Keep number one above in mind, it does seem that their “solution” is basically more-of-the-same … only different. They want to throw the bums out … but replace them with better bums. If this is ultimately the OWS position then I will be wishy-washy no longer. I’ll be dead set against it. But or now, we shall wait and see.

  50. stuckie

    I really liked that ANDREA PEYSER hit piece. It’s a great template, including the scatology and stereotypes, if you haven’t got the skill to write swill.

    As for OWS … “Their lack of structure, organization, demands, goals.” Did you ever possibly consider that is their strength? Those four terms could generally describe the Democrat party, or Republican, or Wall St itself.

    It’s not a political protest, it’s a social movement — and that is what flummoxes MSM. They can’t identify a leader to attack, so they find innumerable prototypes. They cannot understand anything that is not a hierarchy; that’s all they know, they work in them.

    Of course, there is somewhat the example of (the original) Diogenes, wandering around with his lantern. No organization there. Demands? He made none. Goals? Sure. When someone finally asked what he was doing, he said, “Looking for an honest man.”

    Sometimes less really is more.

  51. The US is Now a Corporate Monarchy

    By Barry Ritholtz – November 17th, 2011, 6:00AM

    I did an interview with a print reporter yesterday about what has been going on with lack of prosecutions, the banks, and Wall Street in general. We discussed the corrupt exchanges and HFT.

    I dropped lots of F-Bombs, called out cowards and crooks and held nothing back. (“That fucker belongs in prison; this son of a bitch should hang“)

    Afterwards, she commented that I seemed angry.

    I wrote back suggesting that I am a happy dude, and its not Anger — its closer to an ineffable sadness that comes once you realize you have lost something dear. I am old enough to have grown up when this nation was a Democracy, but that era has passed. We now live in a nation no longer run by the citizens — it is a Corporatocracy — and that makes me sadder than angry . . .

    She suggests perhaps a better word is outraged.

    I wonder: Why have the Europeans figured out they are getting screwed, and we haven’t? Why are they taking to the streets en masse, while we seem to be watching our own control over our own futures slip from our hands almost as if from afar?

    In America, we are too busy dropping the kids off at soccer, running around looking for sales and bargains, racing to keep our heads above water. We seem to forget to get outraged. Our control over our once Democracy — the one we had a revolution against a monarchy dictating decisions from afar — slips away from us. Not with a bang, not even with a whimper, but with a 1000s acts of gradual ceding of power to the new Monarch. We have given up hard won rights to a coordinated attack from all three branches of government; Our Congress has become the legislative branch of eBay — Congressmen are auctioned off to the highest bidder; they even have a Buy It Now button to get specific legislation passed. The executive branch has fallen under the sunk cost fallacy, afraid to prosecute banks because we spent so many billions bailing them out. It turns out that even our once venerable Supreme Court is just as corrupted, with lobbyists partying with Justices and backdooring ethics by hiring their wives.

    In short, our new overlords are enormously well funded, well connected, relentless and perhaps most of all, patient. This new King was not appointed by primogeniture, or even Divine Right, but by acquiring enough profits in the free market that they can buy control over society, even as they thwart that free market ideal for their own ends. We have become, in short, a Corporate Monarchy.

    The right question isn’t why am I angry, sad and outraged. The proper question is, why aren’t you?

  52. Many inside the Occupy movement are supporting this new document “For the 99% – The New Common Sense” ? This is big on the internet and many inside the Occupy movement, as well as others are supporting this. Why is the mainstream media ignoring this ?



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