The Stock Market will soar today. Wall Street rejoices. CNBC proclaims the consumer is alive and well. The country will add another $4 billion to the National Debt. And children across the land will wake up in vehicles to get ready for school. What a glorious land we live in.
AWD
If you think there is anything you can say to make me angry, you are woefully misguided. I may be temporarily pissed off — no longer than one day, but usually much less — but “angry” at an internet poster I don’t know and will never meet in real life?? Hardly!!
And as far as me collecting free shit from the government? That will be a cold day in hell. But thanks for the offer.
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PIRATE JO:
The day someone in this country has the authority to tell another human being they do not have the right to procreate is the day I start shooting. I am well off and have a reasonable number of children, and I pay our way and then some. That does not give me the power of life or death over someone else’s family. You are a eugenist. Next you will be making quality of life decisions and forcibly aborting those with birth defects, unfortunate genetic traits, poor parents et cetera.
I agree that you must pay for your children and it is BEST to be prepared financially before having kids. You are a supremely arrogant fuckhead if you force your beliefs on someone else’s family. This family is doing the best they can. I had my children watch this segment and they were impressed with how lucky we are, and how easy it is to take life for granted.
If everybody thought like PJ there wouldn’t be a supposed global population number problem. The total population will be more, easily-manageable, if, MORE people thought as PJ and AWD, planned parenthood or Malthus do. The kleptocratic-narcissistic families of multi-generational wealth that form the current global cabal (shadow government) who are akin to this style of thinking as well, SALUTE YOU! Impersonal, mathematical, logical, methodical, sometimes even fanatical.
Ahh…Science….the New Religion!
Stucky:
“If you think there is anything you can say to make me angry, you are woefully misguided. I may be temporarily pissed off”
I have two words for you:
Obese boomers…
Heh!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
It is “best” to be financially prepared before having kids? It is MORAL to be financially prepared before having kids! Look at all the harm it causes when people are irresponsible about such an important decision!
And if people are not financially prepared, who in blazes do you think ends up paying for them? That would be “well off” people like you.
You don’t get it. Of course I do not and should not have the authority to determine who has the “right” to procreate. I support the right of everyone to screw up their own lives however they want. If you want to borrow to the gills to drive a fancy car and live in a big house, Wall Street will be happy to finance your debt slavery, and I’m not going to say you can’t. But I can say you’re stupid if I want.
If you want to have kids you can’t afford and be broke your whole life, go ahead. But I am free to say that I am sick of people who either don’t think ahead or have an inflated sense of entitlement so that all they think is that they want to reproduce and don’t give a tinker’s damn about the consequences. Lots of people do this, and some of them are nice people, and they get away with it because the rest of us feel sorry enough for their blameless kids that we won’t take them away from their parents or allow them to starve. It creates an enormous burden on those pulling the wagon.
Pointing out this completely obvious fact does not make me a eugenist, but I begin to wonder where your reality-challenged view is coming from. Why does it make you so uncomfortable when I say that some people simply lack the resources to become parents and should hold off until their finances are better? This is such a simple matter of budgeting! But when people don’t act responsibly, and things (predictably) start circling the bowl, boo hoo, drag out the hankies.
I don’t think Colma or AWD should be allowed to reproduce. Ever.
PIRATE JO:
Guess I overreacted to your post. I apologize.
Holy Fuck
I think that was the first apology ever on TBP.
Fred – You are banned for life.
Yes. People should be forced to fill out an Excel Spreadsheet before having kids.
The first question should be, “Are you poor?” If the answer is “yes”, the program closes and flashes a message, “Keep your dick in your pants.”
PJ … it’s not always about the money.
“The total population will be more, easily-manageable, if, MORE people thought as PJ and AWD, planned parenthood or Malthus do. The kleptocratic-narcissistic families of multi-generational wealth that form the current global cabal (shadow government) who are akin to this style of thinking as well, SALUTE YOU!”
Actually, no. Millions of people in poverty, all working hard to ensure that the next generation in poverty will be even larger than this one, are part of the problem. The klepto/wealth families would be screwed if there weren’t hordes of people with limited skills competing for the same crappy jobs. Imagine if their OWN kids had to clean toilets – the horror! Read sometime about how the enormous disparity between rich and poor was leveled off after the Black Plague. The rich had such a hard time finding low-skilled labor, low-skilled labor actually started paying well. Supply and demand. It sucks, but we are not exempt from these laws.
Stucky: No worries; AWD doesn’t have any takers. Even amongst the throngs of baby-makers he deals with every day. He’d have hopped on board that SNAP gravy train himself by now if he could get any play.
Stucky:
I didn’t even know they were dating!
@ Mary Malone
Pardon me all for interrupting the blazing TBP love- fest , but wanted to give Mary a shout out and point her towards this bit of combo bitch slap on Newt and his bankster cronies.
Well worth a read for all. Many may be totally surprised to learn who really owns their house.,,,hopefully not the hard way..ouch!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/butler-b/butler-b14.1.html
Foreclosure Fraud in a Nutshell
and How Newt Gingrich Abetted the Theft of Average Joe’s Home
by Bill Butler
BTW,
Enjoy TBP while you can. The Feds have started shutting down website already. Check this out:
Feds seize 150 websites in counterfeit crackdown
APB ALICIA A. CALDWELL | AP – 1 hr 30 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Federal authorities have shut down 150 websites accused of selling knock-off or pirated merchandise to unsuspecting online bargain hunters.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Morton and Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer announced the results of the ICE and FBI three-month investigation on “Cyber Monday,” the day that for many shoppers kicks off the online holiday shopping season.
The government seized the domain names for the sites that sold everything from fake replica NBA jerseys to replica Louis Vuitton handbags and imitation Ugg boots.
“This is straight crime,” Morton said. “This is people being duped into buying a counterfeit.”
The federal government has seized the domain names of 350 websites since first targeting online counterfeiters in June 2010. Each investigation, Morton said, has grown…”
This is just the beginning.
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-seize-150-websites-counterfeit-crackdown-162434745.html
Don’t get your hopes up, Nad Nardstone.
Stuchenboomstain:
No worries here, I pull out.
A simple solution: People acknowledge the clinical fact that children are smelly, narccisistic, noisy snot factories.
GD, this isn’t fair:
Conn. asset managers claim $254M Powerball jackpot
ROCKY HILL, Conn. (AP) — Three asset managers from Connecticut’s affluent New York suburbs claimed a $254 million Powerball jackpot on Monday off a $1 ticket.
Greg Skidmore, Brandon Lacoff and Tim Davidson came forward as trustees for The Putnam Avenue Family Trust, which they formed after Davidson bought the winning ticket at a Stamford gas station. At least two of them live in Greenwich, one of America’s wealthiest towns.
They will take the after-tax lump sum of nearly $104 million in cash. They say a significant portion will go to charity.
My two cents. …..Many in my area piss and moan about a few hundred dollars a month that some poor dumb-ass woman gets for being a human baby factory,or some crippled-up ass wipe receives in SS disability payment, yet some of these very shit-stained blowhards -many who work at or are retired from government jobs-get tens of thousands of dollars in government welfare as well, although it’s not labeled welfare.They call it a subsidies.Farm subsidies.
I look on his list- http://farm.ewg.org/-and see many high and mighty Republican pillars in my community raking in thousands of dollar , for nothing other than having some forest land siting idle.
I asked one neighbor who is on the list what did he to deserve 80 thousand dollars in government subsidies and he said it was because he lost hay. My heart wept for the poor bastard. He lost hay and now IT’S we the people who are on the hook for his frikking hay. And this self -righteous parasite is also retired government.
So fuck it.If we can buy Cadillacs and Airplanes for fat rich stupid republi-fucks , I don’t see why we can’t spend a few hundred dollars a month on some fat poor kid who won’t eat otherwise.
We all breathe the same air and suffer the same when hurt. If it class warfare you want , then get you ass pukered ,because that show’s about to begin.
Hope you’ve got lots of popcorn.
Flash:
“…get tens of thousands of dollars in government welfare as well, although it’s not labeled welfare.They call it a subsidies.Farm subsidies.”
I couldn’t agree with you more. I present the farm subsidy data fairly regularly, and get unanimous thumbs downs. The farmers have great PR. My ex-father in-law was getting $70,000 per year in farm subsidies, 1/2 price crop insurance, and he made about $140,000 just on his crops, so his income was $210,000. He sure as hell doesn’t need any subsidy.
The farm lobby has gotten $600 billion in farm subsidies in the last ten years, more than 1/2 a trillion, even though farmers are making more money than they have in this countries history. His wife was a federal desk warmer at the national park, and she’s retired now at 60 and enjoys a massive pension, free healhcare, and benefits up the ass. Your tax dollars at work.
BTW, The biggest class of welfare recipients in the Nation is the US military.
You can retire after twenty years of fucking off and then get a real job making good money,retire again and have We the people pay for a nice pension and healthcare for life.
Some of you piss-ants may snivel that soldiers risk their lives to preserve our freedom. I say that those that kill for living should also expect to be killed, besides every job has it’s risk….ever driven in DC or Atlanta?
And what’s about this freedom that they so preserved? Asking and paying for permission to work, live ,eat, drink and marry is no freedom to speak of. Those that give you your so called freedom can just as easily take it away.
Obama promised change and now he’s delivering on that promise.
I apologized to Stuck just the other day. I was mean to him and he deserved an apology.
Why is it that we freely condemn the evil Boomers for their irresponsibility around here all the time, en masse, but jump on PJ for pointing out that the parents could, and should have, been more responsible? Having kids at 24 these days is a recipe for disaster. Not having life insurance is a recipe for disaster.
It is an absolute personal tragedy, for sure, and I am desperately sorry for those kids. I have been on the brink of homelessness on more than one occassion myself, when I was young, and it is absolutely terrifying.
But we are seeing these scenarios played out over and over, on a national scale – and in total it does indeed reflect a grossly irresponsible society. The risk taking is extreme – high debt levels, few skills acquired, failure to understand the responsibilities of parenthood, parenthood before the parents are financially secure, etc. etc. , and so the individual calamities that follow are to be expected at a much higher rate than they need be.
The above kids are indeed suffering a personal tragedy. There are millions of personal tragedies out there. In sum it reflects a society that is behaving irresponsibly, both individually and collectively.
One more indication that this is a depression not a
Great Recessionor arecovery from the Great RecessionPJ’s problem is she is frigid. Its not the kids she can’t stand, its the having sex part. eeewwww.
llpoh, I am glad someone else here onTBP actually means what they say when they advocate the concepts of self-reliance and personal responsibility.
This crowd thinks a bank should take responsibility when it makes a bad loan, and borrowers should take responsibility when they borrow too much. In general, most people don’t feel sorry for those who live beyond their means. But sometimes having kids IS living beyond your means, and that seems to be the third rail of personal responsibility.
The minute you suggest that people should gather for themselves the means to support kids (and did I mention how dirt cheap term life insurance is?) before having them, and suddenly you’re both Ebeneezer Scrooge and the Grinch all rolled into one.
Well who is going to take care of your kids if you don’t? Who else is going to provide for them? Which mindset does more to take care of children? I think my comments made a lot of people mad because they love their kids and they kneejerk react from an emotional position. Yet if you really do want your kids to be taken care of, then TAKE CARE OF THEM!
Granted, the father in this story is a little bit harder to be mad at than a belligerent crack whore with six kids on welfare who is fighting over towels at Wal-Mart on Black Friday. And no I did not see the video, because it didn’t play when I clicked on it.
Have kids = get life insurance, that is the lesson we should learn here. Incidentally I would like to know how things turn out for this family, but don’t tell anyone or Admin will start posting gooey Christmas pictures of me getting Jesus, and Mary Malone and indiejen will start lighting aromatherapy candles in my honor.
llpoh
I think I apologized first. No matter … you and I … WE made history!
Isn’t TBP great – Stuck and I are about to flame on over who apologized first. What a hoot.
PJ – best I can figure if someone is individually in trouble, you are meant to be sympathetic (and I truly am), but as a group it is ok to call them irresponsible.
Personally, I waited until I was in my mid-thirties to have kids, not because I didn’t want them, but because it was irresponsible and too risky to do it earlier. I have always maintained $1 million life insurance on both me and my wife, plus permanent disability and income protection.
A $500,000 life insurance policy for a 35 year old is approx. $25 per month, per my quick google, or $50 per month for both parents. If a couple cannot afford $25 per month to protect their kids, they simply cannot afford to have kids. It is desperately irresponsible to not have life insurance.
It is a personal tragedy, but one which should have been avoided.
Stuck finds it even cheaper than I did – $16 per month. Can anyone make an argument that these parents couldn’t afford life insurance? Really? The job loss is a different matter entirely.
She got the wings and the teeth of an African bat … her middle name is Mudbone and on top of all that … ya mama got a glass eye with a fish in it … and no life insurance …
I like babies, as long as they listen to Biz Markie …
Well, at least the news story will get this family a second chance through donations.
Don’t know why but this story reminds me of Lou Reed’s Dirty Boulevard:
Pedro lives out of the Wilshire Hotel
He looks out a window without glass
The walls are made of cardboard, newspapers on his feet
His father beats him ’cause he’s too tired to beg
He’s got 9 brothers and sisters
They’re brought up on their knees
It’s hard to run when a coat hanger beats you on the thighs
Pedro dreams of being older and killing the old man
But that’s a slim chance he’s going to the boulevard
He’s going to end up, on the dirty boulevard
He’s going out, to the dirty boulevard
He’s going down, to the dirty boulevard
This room cost 2 000 dollars a month
You can believe it man it’s true
Somewhere a landlord’s laughing till he wets his pants
No one here dreams of being a doctor or a lawyer or anything
They dream of dealing on the dirty boulevard
Give me your hungry, your tired your poor I’ll piss on ’em
That’s what the Statue of Bigotry says
Your poor huddled masses, let’s club ’em to death
And get it over with and just dump ’em on the boulevard
Get to end up, on the dirty boulevard
Going out, to the dirty boulevard
He’s going down, on the dirty boulevard
Going out
Outside it’s a bright night
There’s an opera at Lincoln Center
Movie stars arrive by limousine
The klieg lights shoot up over the skyline of Manhattan
But the lights are out on the Mean Streets
A small kid stands by the Lincoln Tunnel
He’s selling plastic roses for a buck
The traffic’s backed up to 39th street
The TV whores are calling the cops out for a suck
And back at the Wilshire, Pedro sits there dreaming
He’s found a book on magic in a garbage can
He looks at the pictures and stares at the cracked ceiling
� At the count of 3 � he says, � I hope I can disappear �
And fly fly away, from this dirty boulevard
I want to fly, from dirty boulevard
I want to fly, from dirty boulevard
I want to fly-fly-fly-fly, from dirty boulevard
I want to fly away
I want to fly
Fly, fly away
I want to fly
Fly-fly away
Fly-fly-fly
Fly-fly away
Fly away
If you lose everything but keep your self respect you lost nothing. Those two kids still have self respect and hope. They will make it to a safer sustainable place. The tragedy is for those who look upon this from secure positions. I think we will become numb to these failures as the collapse intensifies.
Will our life insurance really survive this financial crisis?
Ding ding ding!
cv51 with the winning question.
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend’s were.
Each man’s death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
-John Donne
A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, who robbed him, stripped him of his clothes, and, wounding him, left him on the road half dead. By chance there came a priest that way, and, as a teacher of religion to men, he should have stopped to help the poor man. Instead of this, he pretended not to see, and passed by on the other side of the road. Then there came by a Levite, who also, as an official of the church, should have given help. But he merely came and looked on the injured man, and passed on the other side as the priest had done.
Afterwards there came by a Samaritan, and, when he caught sight of the wounded Jew, he went over to him and was very sorry for him. Now the Jews hated the Samaritans, and were their enemies, so that it would not have been surprising if he, also, had done as the priest and the Levite did. But, no! Though it was his enemy, he could not pass him by and leave him on the road, perhaps to die. He examined his wounds and bound them up; doing all that he could to soothe them. Then he lifted him carefully on his own beast, and brought him to the nearest inn, and took care of him through the night. The next day, when the Samaritan departed, he paid the man who kept the inn, and said to him, “Take care of this poor man until he is well, and whatever it may cost for his lodging and food, that I will pay thee when I come again.”
“Which of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among thieves?” The lawyer answered, “He that showed mercy unto him.” Then said Jesus, “Go, and do thou likewise.”
Fuckin’ A, KaD.
KaD posts a story from the Bible. Scripture. God’s Holy Word. A parable told by Jesus — King of Kings — a man who knew no sin.
And Colma responds with a “Fucken’ A”.
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Man. oh man, that is sooooo fucked up.
My big question is why can’t Florida erect national guard tents with toilets etc and a couple of guardsmen patrolling? You can’t tell me it would cost all that much.
KaD-Nice. But that must not have been much of a lawyer if Jesus would talk to him.
StuchenSchiessen, having gone to seminary, assumes:
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“KaD posts a story from the Bible. Scripture. God’s Holy Word. A parable told by Jesus — King of Kings — a man who knew no sin.
And Colma responds with a “Fucken’ A”.
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Man. oh man, that is sooooo fucked up.”
…. as he ignore’s KaD’s Donne quote from 10:55
That’s even more fucked up.
“For the criminal who is weak and poor the narrow cell of death awaits; but honor and glory await the rich who conceal their crimes behind their gold and silver and inherited glory.”
“Coming generations will learn equality from poverty, and love from woes.”
-Kahlil Gibran
AKAnon —- Ha! A lawyer joke!!!
Of course, the lawyer was not a Court lawyer as we know it, but one who studied the Law of Moses — most likely a scribe.
One aspect of that wonderful story that often is lost to us moderns is that the Jews listening to Jesus’ parable would have been shocked and angry. They HATED the Samaritans, and vice versa. Sworn enemies. Each considered the other a traitor.
So, for a Samaritan to show “compassion” … and in thus doing he was actually keeping the law, something not even the supposedly holy Levite could do — well, that was shocking and unheard of! At the end of the parable the lawyer could not even say the word “Samaritan” — but refers to him merely as the “good man”.
Jew didn’t proselytize. They kept to themselves. A closed society. The “chosen” people. Jesus’ idea that everyone was their neighbor, even the hated Samaritans, really turned their beliefs upside down. Jesus pissed everyone off … kinda like our Smokey of old.
The correct spelling is StuchenScheissen … not, StuchenSchiessen
Dumbass.
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I don’t speak that language, StuchenSchtikler.
So much for family planning, PJ.
Girlfriends steals boyfriends sperm and uses IVF – becomes pregnant with twins.
New dad shoulda seen this one coming – and planned ahead (no puns intended), right?
http://www.click2houston.com/news/Dad-Twins-came-from-stolen-sperm/-/1735978/4810498/-/a5ypjj/-/index.html
Hmmm…
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