“I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.” – H.L. Mencken


H.L. Mencken was a renowned newspaper columnist for the Baltimore Sun from 1906 until 1948. His biting sarcasm seems to fit perfectly in today’s world. His acerbic satirical writings on government, democracy, politicians and the ignorant masses are as true today as they were then. I believe the reason his words hit home is because he was writing during the last Unraveling and Crisis periods in America. The similarities cannot be denied. There are no journalists of his stature working in the mainstream media today. His acerbic wit is nowhere to be found among the lightweight shills that parrot their corporate masters’ propaganda on a daily basis and unquestioningly report the fabrications spewed by our government. Mencken’s skepticism of all institutions is an unknown quality in the vapid world of present day journalism.

The Roaring Twenties of decadence, financial crisis caused by loose Fed monetary policies, stock market crash, Depression, colossal government redistribution of wealth, and ultimately a World War, all occurred during his prime writing years. I know people want to believe that the world only progresses, but they are wrong. The cycles of history reveal that people do not change, just the circumstances change. How Americans react to the undulations of history depends upon their age and generational position. We are currently in a Crisis period when practical, truth telling realists like Mencken are most useful and necessary.

Mencken captured the essence of American politics and a disconnected populace 80 years ago. Even though many people today feel the average American is less intelligent, more materialistic, and less informed than ever before, it was just as true in 1930 based on Mencken’s assessment:

“The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

You can make your own judgment on the accuracy of his statement considering the last two gentlemen to occupy the White House. His appraisal of U.S. Senators and citizens in our so-called Democracy captures the spirit of the travesty that passes for leadership and civic responsibility in this country today.

“Democracy gives the beatification of mediocrity a certain appearance of objective and demonstrable truth. The mob man, functioning as citizen, gets a feeling that he is really important to the world—that he is genuinely running things. Out of his maudlin herding after rogues and mountebacks there comes to him a sense of vast and mysterious power—which is what makes archbishops, police sergeants, the grand goblins of the Ku Klux and other such magnificoes happy. And out of it there comes, too, a conviction that he is somehow wise, that his views are taken seriously by his betters — which is what makes United States Senators, fortune tellers and Young Intellectuals happy. Finally, there comes out of it a glowing consciousness of a high duty triumphantly done which is what makes hangmen and husbands happy.”

People still read newspapers in the 1930s to acquire credible information about the economy, politics and economy. Today’s corporate owned rags aren’t fit to line a bird cage. The mainstream media is a platform for the lies of their corporate sponsors. Each TV network or newspaper spouts propaganda that supports the financial interests and ideology they are beholden to. Does anyone think they are obtaining the truth from Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh? Evidently the answer is yes. The upcoming presidential campaign will be a nightmare of endless negative advertisements created by Madison Avenue maggots and paid for by rich powerful men attempting to herd the mindless sheeple towards their ultimate slaughter. Whichever corporate controlled party can more successfully scare the masses into pulling their lever in the voting booth on November 6th will get the opportunity push the country closer to its ultimate collapse. This collapse was destined from the time of Mencken when the Federal Reserve was created by a small group of powerful bankers and their cronies in Congress. Fear has worked for 100 years in controlling the masses, as Mencken noted during his time:

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

In the 1930s you needed to count on newspapers for the truth. The purpose of those who wield power is to keep the masses dumbed down and paranoid regarding terrorist threats and artificial enemies. By convincing the dense public that acquiring material goods on credit was a smart thing to do, they have trapped them in a web of debt. By making life an inexhaustible bureaucratic nightmare or rules, regulations, forms, ID cards, registrations, and red tape, those in power maintain control and accumulate power. H.L. Mencken would be proud:

“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”

Let’s See How Far We’ve Come

“The worst government is often the most moral. One composed of cynics is often very tolerant and humane. But when fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression.” – H.L. Mencken


The corporate / government / banking oligarchy started the fire. The world is burning to the ground and politicians have thrown gasoline onto the fire with passage of debt financed stimulus programs, Obamacare, bank bailouts, the Patriot Act, NDAA, and a myriad of other government “solutions”. To anyone willing to think for just a few minutes, the picture is unambiguous. This requires the ability to think critically – a missing gene among the majority of Americans.

Critical thinking is the careful, deliberate determination of whether one should accept, reject, or suspend judgment about a claim and the degree of confidence with which one accepts or rejects it. Critical thinking employs not only logic but broad intellectual criteria such as clarity, credibility, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance and fairness. Critical thinking requires extensive experience in identifying the extent of one’s own ignorance in a wide variety of subjects (“I thought I knew, but I merely believed.”)

One becomes less biased and more broad-minded when one becomes more intellectually empathetic and intellectually humble. I have observed little or no critical thinking skills in the pompous asses that write daily columns in today’s newspapers and zero critical thinking skills among the vacuous pundits and big breasted brainless fashion models that yap all day long on CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, Fox and the Big 3 dying networks.

Any thinking would be a shocking change of pace from the corrupt corporate owned politicians in Washington DC. Other than Ron Paul and a few other truth tellers, critical thinking from a politician or a government bureaucrat is about as likely as Obama not using a teleprompter. Everything being spewed at the public from the MSM, Wall Street, and Washington DC is intellectually dishonest, manipulated and packaged by pollsters and PR firms. I’ve come to the conclusion that those in power desire that public school systems of the United States churn out ignorant, non-questioning morons. A populace that is incapable or uninterested in critically thinking about the important issues of the day is a politician’s best friend. Half the population doesn’t vote and the other half unquestioningly obeys what they are told by their parties.

Ignorance is the state of being uninformed about issues and unaware about the implications of those issues. It is not about intelligence. A huge swath of America is ignorant due to lack of education and a low class upbringing. But, I know many college educated people who haven’t read a book in 20 years or could care less about economic issues. They made a choice to be ignorant. They prefer being distracted by their latest technological toy to dealing with reality.

Most Americans are incapable of looking beyond a 2 to 3 year time horizon. That is why the median 401k balance in the US is $13,000. That is why the average credit card debt per household is $16,000. That is why 25% of all homeowners are underwater on their mortgage. Politicians, banks, and marketers take advantage of this witlessness to enslave the average American. We’ve come to love our slavery. Appearing successful because you drive the right car, wear the right clothes or live in the right house is more important than actually doing the hard work to actually become successful, like spending less than you make and saving the difference.

An informed, interested, questioning public would be a danger to the government as described by H.L. Mencken:

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out … without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.”

There were already two fiscal hurricanes of unfunded liabilities and current deficits churning towards our shores before Obama and his non-critical thinking Democratic minions launched a third storm called Obamacare. No matter how many intellectually deceitful mouthpieces like Paul Krugman and Rush Limbaugh misrepresent the facts, the fiscal foundation of the country is crumbling under the weight of unfunded entitlement promises, out of control government spending and far flung military misadventures. Only someone who is intellectually bankrupt, like Krugman, would declare the National Debt at $8 trillion as a looming disaster when George Bush was President, but declare that a $15.6 trillion National Debt headed towards $20 trillion by 2015 isn’t a danger now that Barack Obama is President. The intellectual and moral credentials required to write for a major newspaper have fallen markedly since the days of Mencken.

The combination of educationally uninformed, ignorant by choice, and intellectually dishonest will be fatal for the country. Total US credit market debt as a percentage of GDP is just below an all-time high, exceeding 350% of GDP. It is 25% higher than it was at the depths of the Great Depression. Consumer debt fell in 2010 – 2011 because banks wrote off about a trillion dollars of bad debt, while government debt has skyrocketed to unprecedented levels. Now consumers are back racking up more debt, with government encouragement and subsidies responsible for the surge in student loan and auto debt. With GDP stalling out, government debt accumulating at $1.4 trillion per year and consumers back to their delusional selves again, this ratio will pass 400% by 2014.

The financial crisis was caused by excessive utilization of debt. In order to correct these imbalances, the country needed to undergo a deleveraging and reversion back to a country of savers. Savings equals investment. Instead, our “leaders” have reduced interest rates to 0% and have gone on an unprecedented government borrowing and spending spree. Savers and senior citizens are punished, while gamblers and speculators are rewarded. Anyone who thinks about this strategy for a few minutes will realize it is asinine and hopeless. It enriches the few and impoverishes the many.

Based upon a realistic assessment of our current spending trajectory, The National Debt of the U.S. will exceed $25 trillion by 2019. That is more than double the figure when Bush left office. George Bush almost doubled the National Debt from $5.6 trillion to $11 trillion during his reign of error. It seems one thing Republicans and Democrats can agree on is that spending money they don’t have will have no negative consequences (“deficits don’t matter” – Cheney). When you have a Federal Reserve willing to print to infinity there is no limit to how much you can spend. Only a fool would believe there won’t be consequences. That fool writes an opinion column for the NYT and has a Nobel Prize on his bookshelf.

We add $3.8 billion of debt to this figure each and every day. We add $158 million to this figure each and every hour. The interest on the National Debt reached an all-time high of $454 billion in 2011 with an effective interest rate of about 3%. Much of this interest is paid to foreign governments like China, Japan and OPEC nations. This is $1.2 billion per day of interest paid mostly to foreigners. With just the slightest bit of critical thinking one could easily perceive that with a National Debt of $25 trillion and a likely increase in interest rates to at least 6%, our annual interest costs would increase to $1.5 trillion per year. The United States needed to implement a long-term plan ten years ago to address the impossible to fulfill promises made by its corrupt, mentally bankrupt politicians. Americans’ inability to deal with reality and fondness for not thinking beyond tomorrow has shown them to be an inferior species, as Mencken noted:

“The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety.”

The entire revenue of the US government totaled $2.3 trillion in 2011, with $800 billion of those funds earmarked for Social Security outlays in the future. Does this appear sustainable? President Obama submits budgets of never ending trillion dollar deficits and then gives stump speeches declaring that we must get our deficits under control. He appears on the MSM declaring his dedication to fiscal responsibility and what passes for a journalist these days nods their head like a lapdog and lobs the next softball to the President. You have to be delusional to believe this claptrap. Luckily for the politicians, most Americans are delusional and apathetic. They just got another text message from their BFF. They are consumed by who will get booted this week from American Idol or Dancing With the Stars. The NFL draft is tonight and did your hear that Kim Kardashian is doing Kanye West?

H.L. Mencken understood the false promises of democracy 80 years ago:

“Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses. It is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

We deserve to get it good and hard, and we will.


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167 thoughts on “H.L. MENCKEN WAS RIGHT”

  1. Mencken was not only acerbic and witty, he was a damn good writer. Scintillating prose. And he despised politicians. How can you not like someone like that?

  2. “I agree. Young lady, the tragic wrongness of what those well-meaning people did, contrasted with what they thought they were doing, goes very deep. They had no scientific theory of morals. They did have a theory of morals and they tried to live by it (I should not have sneered at their motives), but their theory was wrong — half of it fuzzy-headed wishful thinking, half of it rationalized charlatanry. The more earnest they were, the farther it led them astray. You see, they assumed that Man had a moral instinct.”

    -Mr. Dubois

    (R.A. Heinlein’s S.T.)

  3. In order to get useful job experience while getting my MS I volunteered at a Contract Lab that doubled as a business incubator. Other than the science, I found myself doing a LOT of volunteer work with the local elementary school system. Specifically the gifted program. In the past two years we have helped tutor students who have gone on to top tier research internships and fast-track MD/PhD programs. Anyways, great success and all that.

    We are forming a group of local leaders/scientists to develop a better educational system. Our goals are small (bring science and math back to the classroom) but the end goal is to put programs in place that greatly exceed state/federal mandates.

    We shouldn’t have to fight for better education, but if you ask local parents about making classes more difficult they act like we are requesting that their precious babes get put to work in salt mines.

    I don’t have the background to truly understand a lot of the financial issues our country faces (I’m not a moron, I understand the largest problems but the specifics elude me), but when it comes to scientific progress and education (or lack thereof) I’m all too familiar with the issues.

  4. PS: Mencken’s quotes generated quite genuine chuckles from me. We need to invent a time machine for the sole purpose of bringing him to our time.

  5. My kids teachers seem to think i should do their job. Most well educated people ive known base their life around theyre work,its not what life is about.
    I was talking with my dad about why roughly half the country is all crazy for Obama,we dont get it.
    If anyone is just awake and looks around them i dont see how they could vote for the man.
    Almost everyone should be able to figure out you cant live on dept and asking for the credit limit to be raised.

  6. “The men that American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”

    H.L. Mencken

  7. “96% of everything is bullshit”. I don’t know who said that but is sums up a lot in a few words. We’re doomed.

  8. I have been visiting your site since early 2009 and this is perhaps one of my favorite articles you have posted…cheers to a great mind admin! Keep up the inspirational work it is greatly appreciated. I have learned so much from visiting here and reading many of the suggested books I can’t thank you enough!

  9. Thanks Jim ,
    I feel better now…..phew! For awhile , my faith in collective wisdom of my fellow American had waned, but you’ve restored that trust now.

    + 10
    God…. is it too early for a drink?

    Embrace the doom….

  10. Bruce

    Close, no cigar. The quote is attributed to Theodore Sturgeon, SF writer back in the day. As the story goes, he had given a lecture about SF. Afterward, a woman came to him and said, “But why is so much of it utter trash?”

    “Madame,” he replied, “Ninety percent of everything is bullshit.”

  11. The only things the government excels at are death and destruction. Why anyone would trust the government with anything is beyond me.

  12. Jim, truly a brilliant article. I have bookmarked it and will share it widely. I will also learn a lot more about Mr. Mencken and probably end up quoting him often. Thank you for that.

    There are many things about your writing and insights that impress me and for which I am grateful. One that was especially noteworthy is that you took the time to check out the Occupy Wall Street protests last year and the writing you did on the subject. That was incredibly important stuff and probably opened the eyes of a lot of otherwise very skeptical people.

    I would ask that you extend your own outstanding critical thinking to one area where I think that you previously have not, namely nuclear power. Given the ultra long lasting dangers that result simply from radioactive waste, not to mention the ungodly meltdowns we would face if the grid goes down for an extended period for whatever reason, or the magnification of all human risks caused by greedy, shortsighted, sociopathic utility executives, or the risk of terrorist activity (especially the much more real “false flag” terrorists of the US and Israeli governments), nuclear power is about as crazy a power supply as one could imagine.

    I find it very hard to believe that Mencken would have approved of wide-spread adoption of nuclear power given what he knew about mankind and the skepticism he brought to bear.

    Could you write an article about your current thinking about nuclear power, employing the critical thinking and self-analysis that you describe so well in this article?

    Sincerely and Humbly Yours,

  13. First, while I agree w/ Mencken in principle (and Jim), we are not a “Democracy”. The US is a Democratic Republic. Democracy is what is practiced in Venezuela– the tyranny of the majority. Our system is based on a written compact of laws. Heck, we don’t technically have ANY right to vote in Presidential elections. The states could elect to choose electors w/o popular vote! The framers specifically made it that way because they foresaw and experienced the stupidity of the masses, and the criminality of the politicians.

    Barack Obama is not “dumb”. It takes brains to Usurp the Presidency. He is doing just as his NWO Central Bankers sent him to do. Damage the sovereignty of the American people, and crash the political and economic system of the US by Cloward- Piven strategy. When there is no legal President (he was born a British subject of a British subject father, thus is not a natural born Citizen) then there is no law, since the President is the executor of the laws.

    Barack Obama is just the type whom the framers were preventing from the office— born of a foreign Communist father, and raised and nurtured in foreign thought and sentiment that is anathema to American ideals of Liberty and Justice. Obama is certainly not a “creature of our own” as explained by Federalist #68, and Obama Sr. is certainly “an improper ascendant” (improper ancestor– 1828 Websters Dictionary). Cut off the head of the criminal banker body, and we may begin to heal. So many smart people like Jim refuse to talk about this issue, although their large platform would greatly help in educating the public to this Constitutional disaster. It is THE BIGGEST issue, yet Jim and others would say that declaring Obama ineligible is “unfair” or “nit-picky”, or might cause a “race riot”. There is a plaque at the SCOTUS that reads “though the heavens shall fall”. Non adherence to the US Constitution is the death of the Republic, and pure “democracy” is the death of the Republic. I have filed suit against Obama and the Secretary of State of Fla. (#2012CA00467), contesting his nomination by the Fla. D party. I aim to cut off the head and keep Obama off the ballot.

    If you think R. Paul is some kind of savior, think again. He, a supposed “constitutionalist”, allowed Obama to pass the electoral college, and he has done NOTHING about Bernanke giving TRILLIONS of we the people’s money away to foreigners. Now the chatter is about Marco Rubio as VP for Romney. Rubio is an agent of the Criminal bankers also, as his birth to resident Cuban aliens in Fla. means he is also not eligible. If you think his VP candidacy and non eligibility is an accident, think again. He is there to protect Obama. What are you all going to do besides write columns, and chat on these forums? The criminals in our government and their corporate masters are centralizing and massing power to their benefit, destroying the Republic. I will not say I did nothing as the Constitution burned.

  14. H. L. Menchen was right about telling the truth whenever possible. I have also written the truth about society, politics, and economics in my book HOW TO CHANGE THE WORLD: HOW TO SAVE THE WORLD; THE TRUTH ABOUT EVERYTHING. If you really want all the truth and common sense that is so vitally missing from the media, search under my name on Kindle or Nook Book and you will find, in my 22+ books, a thousand and one truths about parenting, love, stealing and crime, education reform, what is justice, human nature, good manners, best of the best songs in the world, how to save money and improve yourself and get what you want out of life, changes in welfare laws, predictions for the future, scientific thesaurus, globalism, new United States Constitution, etc. You will find a huge treasure of truths which you can apply to your life and make it happier and more prosperous. Happy Hunting!!!

  15. As Georges Santayana said “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. Americans have been so dumbed down and weaned on bulltwaddle, that history is reared on it’s hind legs and ready to pounce!

  16. Channel Serfing-I suggest that rather than asking Jim to write on the evils of nuclear power, you beseech SSS to expound on said evils. I am sure he would pique your interest. While you’re at it, ask him about legalizing marijuana. Serfers’ Rule.

  17. Mick-Are you certifiably insane? Or just retarded? Just asking. I am trying to recall when Admin said noting Obama’s birth certificate was nit picky or might cause racial tensions. And re R Paul-what was he supposed to do to stop Bernanke, commit homicide? The man has done more to shut the Bernank down than the next 10 best congressmen. Have you been locked in a basement for the last 20 years?

  18. AKAnon said,
    “Mick-Are you certifiably insane? Or just retarded? Just asking. I am trying to recall when Admin said noting Obama’s birth certificate was nit picky or might cause racial tensions. And re R Paul-what was he supposed to do to stop Bernanke, commit homicide? The man has done more to shut the Bernank down than the next 10 best congressmen. Have you been locked in a basement for the last 20 years?”

    As per typical, those that know the least start out w/ insults. The point is that Admin. has said NOTHING about the Usurpation of the Presidency. I can only speculate on why. Here is what I said:

    “yet Jim and others would say that declaring Obama ineligible is “unfair” or “nit-picky”, or might cause a “race riot””.

    Of course I was speculating on what he might say, based on what others have said. As a matter of fact R. Paul, the “constitutionalist” who allowed the Usurpation, and could have stopped it, said that he “would have been laughed out of the building”.

    The Birth Certificate, though meaningful so as to verify the paternity story BHO2 has told, is a canard, since he would not be eligible if born on the Oval Office desk— BHO2 was born a British subject, THUS IS NOT NATURAL BORN. He certainly has not proven place of birth, since a pic on the internet is proof of nothing, and is certainly not “evidence” in any court of law.

    The R. Paul candidacy is nothing but a steam vent. He will never get elected. He talks about “reining in the Fed”, but what has he actually done? Bernanke is still giving TRILLIONS away for free to Foreign and Domestic bankers, while Paul campaigns for an office he’ll never touch. The “conservative” members of the media have been told to shut up. The judiciary has been compromised. The fix is in, Obama WILL win if allowed to run.

    The Marxist takeover is here. Jim Quinn can whine and complain all he wants to no avail. He is supporting Obama’s own political theater (OWS)! It will take massive movement by we the people to stop Obama (OWS is pro Obama)— beginning with large forums telling the truth about the Usurpation, and to realize that as truthful as their writings are, as far as economics, nothing changes by people reading, and typing. BHO2 represents the WORST danger to America ever. He is EXACTLY the type of man that the framers were preventing from the office— there is no rule of law when the President is illegal. Look around. I am doing something. WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

  19. Mick-If you didn’t expect insults, then it is obvious you haven’t been following TBP long enough to know Admin’s position on a lot of things. Still, your choice to speculate on his position and reasoning then state your assumption as fact is weak. If you didn’t know, why not ask?

    Re Ron Paul’s collusion with the Federal Reserve-What are you smoking? RP is one of 435 Congressmen, and has single-handedly brought the Fed fiasco into the public spotlight, gotten a partial audit performed, and may well give the Bernank an aneurysm before it’s over. I wish he ould leap tall buildings in a single bound, but give the guy a break-he’s no spring chicken. I’d say his efforts to “End the Fed” (google it, if you think RP is in bed with the Fed) have been monumentally successful, considering the resistance he has overcome.

    PS-Please log your screen name correctly next time-I wouldn’t want the other newbies to be confused.

  20. R. Paul, despite what he says, is doing nothing, but running for an office he neither deserves, nor can win. Meanwhile Bernanke continues to funnel we the people’s money to the criminal bankers.

    Jim Quinn is an intelligent guy. He surely knows the issue of Obama’s eligibility, yet he won’t even respond to me here, nor write an article about it. Don’t get me wrong– I mostly love what he writes. However, this article contained the fallacy that the US is a “Democracy”, as reported by Mencken, and he supports the Obama astroturfed OWS.

    Regarding Obama’s ineligibility, he has been either 1) told to shut up 2) believes that simple birth in the US gives one the allegiance and attachment to be President. 3) A2S1C5 is a “technicality” 4) Obama being declared ineligible would cause a race riot. 5) doesn’t want to endure the derision associated with the truth—- ALL are wrong. Look around, do you see rule of law?
    He has the platform to educate people to this very serious constitutional disaster yet refuses.

  21. “Administrator says:

    I no longer respond to dumbfucks. It’s not worth my time.”

    Really? So you’re OK with the severe violation of the Constitution that Obama represents? Your lack of understanding of our form of government is apparent, and your gullibility viz the Obama astroturfed OWS is laughable. I like you economic analysis, but the blinders need to come off.

    1. Interesting that Mick immediately realized I was referring to him. Why don’t you provide us some insight about 9/11 too.

  22. By the way. The “debate” above (@12:06pm) seems to be almost 50-50 split. Do you think your readers are “dumbfucks”? Maybe you should learn about the issue of Obama’s eligibility. The PURPOSE of A2S1C5 is to prevent foreign influence— so how is it possible that one born of foreign citizenship is eligible? Logic twists the unknowing and liars into a pretzel every time.

  23. Who cares if Obama is eligible to be POTUS or ineligible? Worrying about this is like polishing one square foot of the deck of the Titanic. Goodbye, America! I am leaving asap.

  24. “G. Lightfeet says:

    Who cares if Obama is eligible to be POTUS or ineligible? Worrying about this is like polishing one square foot of the deck of the Titanic. Goodbye, America! I am leaving asap.”

    Wrong. If the President is ineligible, then there is no Constitution. Don’t let the door hit ya.

  25. Channel Serfing

    There is one word to describe your views on nuclear power. Hysteria. You provide absolutely no facts or figures to back up what you said (pasted below). Just fear-mongering, baseless bullshit. I’m headed for the gym and will be back later to address your unfounded concerns and seemingly bottomless ignorance of the nuclear power industry. In the meantime, the readers can rereview what you said above.

    “I would ask that you (meaning Admin) extend your own outstanding critical thinking to one area where I think that you previously have not, namely nuclear power. Given the ultra long lasting dangers that result simply from radioactive waste, not to mention the ungodly meltdowns we would face if the grid goes down for an extended period for whatever reason, or the magnification of all human risks caused by greedy, shortsighted, sociopathic utility executives, or the risk of terrorist activity (especially the much more real “false flag” terrorists of the US and Israeli governments), nuclear power is about as crazy a power supply as one could imagine.”

  26. Administrator says:

    “Interesting that Mick immediately realized I was referring to him. Why don’t you provide us some insight about 9/11 too.”

    Interesting that you still refuse to see the elephant in the room. I thought you were smarter than that. No, I’m not talking about 911 or the moon landing. I’m talking about your ignorance and surprising lack of insight into the Constitution, and the fact that the US is not a Democracy, and the fact that you support Obama’s OWS astroturf political theater.

  27. Mick

    Your ignorance is breathtaking to behold. I just posted an OWS article for your enjoyment.

    Aren’t you missing your Fox news regularly scheduled propaganda update that you can unquestioningly regurgitate?

  28. Mick: I don’t agree with Akanon, as he has obviously overlooked many facts when he supposed that you were “smoking something”…

    It’s my opinion that you are actually taking far more pills than the instructions on your psychiatric Rx, or far less if at all.

    First, you blame Ron Paul for not doing enough. Classic… quite hillarious. That reminds me of DP saying everyone’s complicit in 9-11 becauuse they don’t buy his elaborate paranoid fantasies. It’s called DELUSION, and Mick, you’re fitting the description.

    You whine on and on about the “Natural Born” issue, placing blame on anyone who doesn’t “do something”. Newsflash, dipshit, the courts determine criteria and constitutionality…. you don’t like that? You must not like the constitution…

    Finally, you don’t enjoy insults. I too am profanity-adverse, but when your bottom-bitch begged me to talk dirty, I have to admit it was quite fun…. especially when I yelled “holy shit” as I depositted a cup of baby-batter in her leathery cleavage (what else can you do when the paper sack hiding that butter-face is in your way).

    Admin…. no worries about the cuckoo. I’ll take care of the cuckoo.

  29. Really Admin.? So we’re a democracy now? Never watch FOX news. I can see by your language that you are still a member of the Democrat team— Alinsky comes naturally. Get out of the box!! You should be on no “team” but that of the Constitution. By the way what does “natural born Citizen” mean? How is it different than “Citizen”?

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  31. Interesting comments and debate about RP, presidential eligibility, etc. I like the Burning Platform articles (and love “The Fourth Turning”) but now find myself questioning Jim. Get the feeling he’s pro-Obama and can’t put critical thinking to the events of 9/11. Both disturbing positions. No matter, we’re all going down with this ship, like Bush said “this sucker’s goin’ down”! BTW, there is a “movie” coming out about Occupy Wall Street by the late Andrew Brietbart–previewed and supported by FOX news. The preview showed lots of foul acts like smashing windows and laying dumps on cop cars. More divide/conquer technique. God help us.

  32. Hey Jim, I wasn’t endorsing the OWS movie, just reporting it. Man, you are a quick draw. Knock back some brews and chill out, my friend.

  33. A great article destroyed by a bunch of idiots. Typical, in a public forum, you realize how retarded and ignorant are the public.

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    1. a person of very low intelligence (IQ of 25 to 50), usually capable only of guarding himself against danger and of performing simple mechanical tasks under supervision
    2. Informal an extremely stupid person; dolt
    adj also imbecilic [ˌɪmbɪˈsɪlɪk]
    1. of or like an imbecile; mentally deficient; feeble-minded
    2. stupid or senseless idiots

  34. Channel Serfing

    Let’s put on our critical thinking caps and consider nuclear power. I’ll go first.

    Currently, the U.S. produces a little over 1,000,000 megawatts of power, 200,000 of which comes from nuclear power. By the year 2030, the USG estimates that we will need to ADD another 350,000 megawatts to the grid because of increasing demands from an increasing population. Unlike places like Germany, Russia, Japan and Italy where the low birth rate is leading to a decrease in population, our current birth rate will add to our population base. A lot.

    So while Germany and Japan may be able to get away with taking nuclear power offline (yet to be proven they can do that without destroying their economy), such a movement in the U.S is impossible unless some genius comes up with a plan to ADD 550,000 megawatts to the grid in a short 18 years. That’s more than half of our total production today, which has taken several generations to achieve. Are you that genius, Channel Serfing?

    Now let’s take a look at baseload power production. Baseload means a power plant can deliver electricity 24/7, 365. Hydro, nuclear, natural gas, oil, and coal are the ONLY current technologies that can support a baseload power plant. And hydro and nuclear are the only green technologies (no harmful emissions unless you’re concerned about water vapor coming from the steam turbines) in the baseload category. Period. Solar and wind stop working when the sun sets and the wind stops blowing. And a baseload power plant backs them up when that happens.

    Consider further hydroelectric power. All in all, the U.S. is essentially tapped out in producing major amounts of hydro power. From the Grand Coulee to the Hoover, all the major dams which can be built have been built. End of subject.

    Which leaves us with only nuclear power as a green source of energy. The largest power plant in the U.S. is the Palo Verde triple-reactor nuclear plant west of Phoenix, which has a capacity of 3,900 megawatts and a 4,000,000 customer base stretching from California to Texas. I ask you, Channel. How in the fuck are you going to replace that power plant? And with what?

    Ok, while I’m catching my breath, it’s your turn.

    P.S. I have more, trust me.

  35. Hey Admin: Why don’t YOU tell us about Building 7, specifically how it fell into its own footprint with a few small fires and inconsistent damage, and what in the world gave the BBC the idea that it had collapsed when NOBODY was expecting it to and before it actually did.

    This should be funny!

    1. Here they come. The 9/11 Truther dimwits have arrived on the scene. They will prove their position by saying what couldn’t possibly happen.

      So Solly you retard.

      It is your responsibility to prove that it was a conspiracy.

      We always have so much fun kicking you nutjobs around.

  36. ronnie says:

    “Interesting comments and debate about RP, presidential eligibility, etc. I like the Burning Platform articles (and love “The Fourth Turning”) but now find myself questioning Jim. Get the feeling he’s pro-Obama and can’t put critical thinking to the events of 9/11. Both disturbing positions. No matter, we’re all going down with this ship, like Bush said “this sucker’s goin’ down”! BTW, there is a “movie” coming out about Occupy Wall Street by the late Andrew Brietbart–previewed and supported by FOX news. The preview showed lots of foul acts like smashing windows and laying dumps on cop cars. More divide/conquer technique. God help us.”

    Exactly Ronnie. Jim (if admin. is Jim) has unmasked himself as an anti Constitution leftist who supports Obama’s astroturf OWS movement. While I agree w/ a lot of his economic articles, he certainly has a blind spot for Rule of Law via the US Constitution. We are not a “democracy” so any OWS chant of “this is what democracy looks like” is basically unAmerican— We are a Republic– guided by a compact of laws which are based on Natural Law (see US Constitution). Mencken’s view that this is a democracy is equally troubling. Now I know why Jim praised Steinbeck, an avowed Communist, so much. Also equally telling is his resort to such childishness and name-calling— obviously the Alinsky tactics come easily. NOTHING he has said refutes anything I have said about Obama or the basis of our Republic. Obviously he believes the sole determination about whether Obama is eligible is whether he was “democratically elected”— he fails to know that the POTUS must be Constitutionally eligible for security reasons– do Obama’s actions portray a man with supreme allegiance and attachment to America? Very Disappointing.

    1. Wow

      We’ve got ronnie and Mick (the stars of Dumb & Dumber) teaming up on the Admin and telling everyone about his secret love for Obama and his denial of the 9/11 truth proving that he is a left wing loving OWS undercover agent.

      You assholes are endlessly entertaining. Keep it up. I just love kicking nitwits like yourselves in the balls and watching you writhing in pain.

  37. OK Colma. Physics 101

    Damage was inconsistent to all the buildings. To fall straight down into its own footprint, a building must have ALL of its supports knocked out simulataneously: DIDN’T HAPPEN. Obviously you have never paid attention to how a building demolition works.

    Imagine if someone kicked one of your legs out. Do you fall straight down? No. You fall to a side.

    Your normalcy bias shines. Now go back to the koolaid trough.

    1. Dick Hurts

      Please provide the motive.

      Please provide us with the names of the culprits.

      Please explain how the thousands of co-conspirators rigged the buildings with tons of explosives and NO ONE noticed.

      Please explain how not one of the thousands of co-conspirators has felt guilty enough for killing 3,000 Americans to come forward and reveal the truth.

      I expect the normal response from you retarded numbskull 9/11 nutjobs. Gravity, blah, blah, free fall, blah, blah, blah. You’re a fucking idiot. Go join your butt brother David Pierre and jerk off to video of the towers falling.

      I bet you don’t think a plane hit the Pentagon. Right?

      Let me guess. Fighter jets shot the 4th plane down in PA.

      Does it bother you that I know everything you are going to say before you say it? You pea brained lunatics all believe the exact same thing.

  38. Oooo! Calling names! Ouch! You wish you had a good woman to f*** you so well that your dick hurt.

    Now lets hear YOUR version, Admenstribator

  39. I hate to admit this, but I do have a healthy dose of skepticism with regards to 9-11. Things just don’t add up.

    That being said, its not the center of my argument against our government. You’d have to go back 100 years to encompass all the jackassery that currently is pissing me off.

  40. WOW Jim, the morons are out in force today! I love the smell of nitwits in the afternoon.

    Morons – Jim is honest, knowledgable, and almost as smart as me so I will answer for him…

    1.NO ONE with an IQ over 81 supports Obamao. No more explanation necessary.
    2. A 9/11 conspiracy would require AT LEAST 50,000 people and not 1 has spoken up?


    Thanks for playing though, your idiotic posts are most entertaining.

  41. Truth Hurts: I am enlightened now.Please: Tell us more.

    Mick: You’re heading that Retard Parade like a champ. You’re marching so magnificently, your knees are clicking against your chin-strap.

    PissyChem: Skepticism is great… like you said, making something like that your center-piece in an argument isn’t wise.

    Yammering on about it like these clowns is so classic these days, you gotta wonder if there’s something to that South Park episode. It makes far more sense.

  42. Sound of crickets from Channel Serfing on my responses to his screed on nuclear power. He must be under a rock somewhere.

    Here’s another Serf gem: “I find it very hard to believe that Mencken would have approved of wide-spread adoption of nuclear power given what he knew about mankind and the skepticism he brought to bear.”

    News flash, Serf. Mencken died in 1956. Focus on the year 1956. You or I don’t have a fucking clue what Mencken would have thought about nuclear power. Yet your crystal ball tells YOU, and only you, that a man who has been dead for over a half century tells you he would have disapproved.

    Somehow, I get the feeling I’m arguing with a mental midget or coward or both.

  43. Dick Hurts is being careful to not reveal that he is David Pierre. I can smell a yellow bellied American traitor from a mile away. He had to pry himself away from the sheep in the barn to enlighten us with his lunatic 9/11 bullshit.

    Dick Hurts/yardfarmer/David Pierre/sheep fucker

    This is what I’ve been doing to you on Zero Hedge for the last three days.


  44. Question. What do 9/11 and the assassination of JFK have in common? Answer: A small country in the middle east

    PS, I believe the 57 likes for my Mencken quote constitute a TBP record. I wonder who is lone douchebag who gave it a thumbs down…

  45. Wyoming Mike, While I had abandoned the entire concept of voting for the lesser of evils after 2000, ironically the only other time I ever did that was in 1998, (and I never voted for Reagan), I am reconsidering it if Paul doesn’t by some miracle, become the GOP nominee. We might…although probably not…survive one more Obama term. We certainly won’t after two terms of Mittens, especially if he anoits the hideous, piece of shit “teaparty” Rubio as his running mate. If not Paul then fucking go, Obama! I voted once for two Bushes. I can’t believe I did that, in retrospect. If I had a 757, I would joyfully fly it into a tower of neoconservativism, even if it means retaining the other tower (Obama’s foreign policy) that survives.

    Jack Hunter’s magnificient deconstruction of Tea Party phony, Rubio’s speech to Brookings:

  46. In 1925 Mencken translated Nietzsche’s The Antichrist, published (somewhat amazingly*) in the U.S. by Knopf; the introduction is nearly as long as the book, and utterly fascinating: he discusses Neitzsche (describes his as a cleric’s son who after painstaking study of the Scriptures comes to wonder of Christ was the only Christian) and his times, the American scene from Teddy Roosevelt (who he calls a warmonger) to the Scopes trial (which he covered) to much more, all with brevity and wit. The line that stood out the most for me, and which I always think of when the Fed is discussed, begins ” Of all the institutions created by the great practical jokers of the race…**)
    * at one point, Mencken says the Jews deserved ten times the pogroms they suffered, but in virtually the next sentence sets them above Christians who he describes thusly**)
    His description of being hounded by Federal agents in one of the Palmer raids is both comical and frightening.
    P.S.: His Sahara of the Bozarts is not to be missed, either

  47. Conspiracy theorists, one day they will be right…


  48. The greatest generation sure were great at milking that cow..


    Greedy geezers? Make that ‘greedy totalitarian geezers’
    Published: Friday, April 27, 2012, 2:50 PM
    Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledger By Paul Mulshine/The Star Ledge

    Note the passage in which this guy proposes to have the government enslave my children to support him. I’ve put it in italics.

    The bulk of our (seniors) health care insurance and costs should be subsidized by young, middle-aged, and even, by previous standards almost elderly, people who are still doing something for which they are being paid. If they are going to use developments in medicine to live to be 100 or more (see among others David Sinclair at Harvard and Aubrey deGray at Cambridge), they will probably want to retire at age 70 or 75 and need support the last 25 or 30 years of their life. This will require a complete change of intergenerational philosophy of life and dependence. If you wish to cease all efforts at extending the lifespan, then the Mulshine philosophy may be workable. If not, other ideas must come into play. My major suggestion has been to get all physically able high school graduates to give two to four years to government service, not necessarily military. Cleaning up messes from industrial operations of centuries ago would be a useful exercize. Here in Morris County filling in the mine shafts from iron mining is one possibility. After service, the youngsters would get any academic or vocational training they desired. Basically a general latter-day totally inclusive GI Bill. Of course this would cost money, anathema to the Mulshines of this world, but very useful to the young people with more than 75 years left, who in turn would be supported for 20 years or so by following generations. I was a beneficiary of the original GI Bill even though I was spared from flying over Japan in a B-29 because Harry Truman, who had seen war first hand in WWI, never misplaced his political testicles (unlike the current crop) and authorized using the only two A-Bombs we had at the time. The generation that preceded mine, the one between World Wars, was spared the horrors of war, but made few complaints about paying the costs of the war or the education of veterans, even the non-combat vets. Yes, I expect people who are still earning some money, especially those who are earning millions, to help support those in need (and we are not in need of outside support now at current rates of Social Security and Medicare).

    This e-mail highlights problem with the World War II generation. Most of them adopted a totalitarian mindset during the New Deal and the war. This call for income redistribution and universal service belongs in a socialist country, not in a free country.

    So do most the older voters in America. And as you can see from the above e-mail, they’re not shy about admitting it.

    ALSO: Before the New Deal came along there were people in America who actually believed in liberty. Not many, though. Here’s a great 1923 quote from H.L. Mencken in that regard:

    The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.

  49. Democracy is truly stupid.

    There should be an exam that all politician wanna-bees have to pass before they can run for office.

    There should be an exam that all citizens who want to vote have to pass before they can vote.

    I never did understand how a popularity contest somehow determines the BEST person to lead the country.

    Seems to me that the popularity contest results in the prettiest, most vacuous person to end up the winner. Just who we want to lead the most powerful nation on earth.


  50. PChem:

    I don’t know why, but word press won’t post a p.b. photo unless you edit the paste and take out the capitalized IMG prompt copied from the url on p.b…. give it another go.


  51. Indeed, Mencken’s views on democracy and politics were 100% accurate. Proof of this is delivered to us every minute of every day.
    The idea that there is actually a difference between say, democratic or republican contenders for the presidency, or that voters actually face a ‘choice’ is a complete mirage. I have begun to refer to elections as selections. No candidate that is actually challenging the ‘statist quo’ and thus lacks the endorsement of the establishment (such as e.g. Ron Paul) has the slightest chance to win.
    The Democratic ad Republican parties both fully support the welfare/warfare state and its crumbling fiat money foundation. Both fully support central economic planning, as countless editorials by both current and past politicians from both parties reveal daily.
    In short, there is no ‘choice’; consequently, fewer and fewer people actually cast a vote and from the 40% of eligible voters that actually do go to cast their vote, half are probably merely trying to vote for what they regard as the slightly ‘lesser evil’.

  52. Hi!, Patrons Of The Burning Platform Et Al (again):

    Before leaving all you outstanding strokes of genius, kids & adults, please let me tell you ONE for the road: The worst inflation ever recorded in all of economic history was the Hungarian Pengo. It was almost too difficult to track, because their final way of measuing their economic data was by measuring them in light years. Compared to that dilusion, how much further does Helicopter Ben Bernanke need to take OUR Nation, in order that we by comparison can catch up with the Hungarian methods of inflaton? Enough said?!

    [email protected]

  53. Compared to that dilusion, how much further does Helicopter Ben Bernanke need to take OUR Nation, in order that we by comparison can catch up with the Hungarian methods of inflaton? Enough said?! -Russ

    The difference is that the USD is a global reserve currency when Hungaries was not.

  54. Hey Colma and Admenstibator:

    Obviously physics and facts do not exist in your pathetic worlds. All I see from both of you is a bunch of adolescent ad hominem attacks that in no way refute my argument.

    Motive for 911? How about massive expansion of power and budgets for the bedwetter fear-factory agencies complicit in the attacks, (anti)-patriot act, NDAA, trillions for war to the MIC, bankrupting the US with war debt all helps to fulfill the NWO agenda.

    The culprits? Ask the Bilderbergers, CFR, TC, Bohemian Club, Vatican, and especially the Rothschilds.

    1. Oh

      It was the Bilderbergers with the candlestick in the study. Now I understand.

      Dick Hurts – go fuck yourself and get the fuck off TBP. We don’t need your complete bullshit staining this blog.

  55. Truth Hurts: Your best bet when it comes to 9/11 conspiracy theory stuff is to just cite the actual facts. Conjecture just makes you sound like a nutjob with a hard on for stupidity.

    1. 9/11 nutjobs have NO Facts. They say things couldn’t have happened, blah, blah, blah.

      I’ve never come across a 9/11 truther nutjob that had a rational theory to back up their blather.

      9/11 truthers will be obliterated on TBP whenever they rear their nutjob heads.

  56. I believe the fall of the buildings merits closer scrutiny, as well as more transparency in that scrutiny. Metallurgy was not a study of mine, however I have studied fuels at great length and the explanation that jet fuel softened steel beams really doesn’t jive with me.

    That being said this website is not devoted to conspiracy theories, so this is really the last time I’ll ever bring the topic up. Too much constructive conversation takes place to derail it with the modern day equivalent of the Kennedy assassination.

  57. I don’t want to get into a debate about 9/11, except just to make a couple of points.

    Best evidence against the truthers: That the towers collapsed exactly at the points of the aircraft damage. That would be tough to plan in advance if thermite was used.

    Best evidence for the truthers:

    a) Building 7. The office fires were negligible. It was a free fall completely uniform collapse that cannot be explained by conventional means.

    b) Molten steel pulled out of the site during cleanup

    c) The “dancing jews” video. “We were there to record the event.” wtf????

    d) The pentagon strike. Seriously…a guy who had just a few hours of training was able to hit a four story building in the side with a 757 at 600 mph? You’d think he would have put it into the roof; that would be a lot easier.

  58. Truth Hurts says:


    “The culprits? Ask the Bilderbergers, CFR, TC, Bohemian Club, Vatican, and especially the Rothschilds.”


    Any time someone criticizes the system we live under with facts and logic, some vocal and stubborn folks will arrive waving the 9/11 flags.

    Where is the Mencken connection? NOWHERE. Way to motherfuck a thread, dickweeds.

    No matter what, the conversation will be turned to an elaborate ploy by “THEM”.

    Because of this arrival by obsessed, wild-eyed, purveyors of an ever-reaching conspiracy, people who critique this system we live under are associated with this:


    Not wishing to be associated with that ^^^^^, folks who seek actual analysis of financial shennanigans and the actual workings of this odd system we live under run… wisely, actually, and associate those who criticize with a level head with those who, like a broken record, continue to elaborate with intricacy only those within the deepest cells of a loony-bin could hatch.

    So please, Truth Hurts, cut your bullshit. You’ve damaged enough conversation for so many for so long that I can only conclude that you’re the real culprit and conspirator…


    Or, more than likely a useful idiot.

  60. How the F did this Mencken article get to be a discussion about 9/11, the Bilderburgers, conspiracy theories, and nut jobs?

    Re 9/11. Anyone looking at the government’s 80+ videos of the Pentagon site attack can see that a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon. It wasn’t some missile. There was no bomb. The government’s meticulous reconstruction of the four plane crashes, just as has been done in every commercial plane crash for decades, and black box data show that the government’s account of the hijackings and crashes are accurate. Building 7 was so heavily damaged it had to be destroyed. Larry Silverstein, on a video you’ve probably all seen, admitted that. So now, what’s the deal with 7 when we know why and how it came down? No secrets or conspiracy there.

    As for the B’s, ther’re are always some who think the rich and powerful get there heads together and try to control the rest of us. Think it though folks. Why should they have to? Playing fair and square they do very well. Why would they need to conspire and manipulate?

    People always look for an evil hand or a conspiracy behind tragic political events. Whether it’s the German or American entry into WW2 – both popular conspiracy topics in recent years, or other matters, many theorists have to impune bad motives to good leaders. In America’s case it’s been a slander on George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their staffs in recent years. Such slander of American heroes should stop.

  61. Well said.

    This is the kind of article we should be reading in our mainstream media. You never will of course.

    Probably the best article I have read on this site so far. How insightful was Mr Mencken. His commentary is very much applicable world wide. I very much enjoyed the quote:

    “Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.”

    Unfortunately it’s just so true.

    More articles like this please. Thank you.

  62. Jackson

    “As for the B’s, there are always some who think the rich and powerful get there heads together and try to control the rest of us. Think it though folks. Why should they have to? Playing fair and square they do very well. Why would they need to conspire and manipulate?”

    How long have you been on the fucking planet?

    Have ave you ever considered how and why the how the Federal Reserve Bank was formed. Maybe you should do a little reading about that or maybe you have your own custom definition of what the words conspire and manipulate mean. What would you call a few congressmen, some lobbyists or a few corporate contributors getting together for a meeting and some lunch. Now it be just a meeting but there is a good chance it’s a conspiracy too. A legal one no doubt, but that does not mean its fair or a good thing.

    After decades and decades of headlines, irrefutable evidence and facts as to scandals, lies, crimes, cover ups, deceptions, false flags, aggressive wars, intrigue, mismanagement, corruption, graft and waste by the politicians and the elite only an idiot would think that people are not manipulated, lied to or conspired against. The overwhelming evidence for manipulation conspiracy, unethical behavior and crimes by politicians, bankers and corporations is backed by historical fact and so common in just recent times that a thinking person would suspect that there must be a lot more mischief going on in the world than just what we know about. Those that are not manipulated live in places where they are simply dictated too. Influencing people or forcing people to do things or act a certain way has become the process of government and big business…..even a moron should be able to grasp that.

    The government doesn’t even level with us on things as plain and basic as employment figures. What reasonable person would expect them to report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 911 or anything else if their interests or friends interests were at stake and contrary to the facts? When so many things reported by our government and corporate leaders have proven to misrepresentations, fabrications, and half truths how can anyone even think we get the straight dope on anything? Democrats have one set of facts and Republicans have another set of facts and in the end the only fact is they both deceive and everything becomes so convoluted that nobody knows what the truth is. Most Folks just go with what ever lie they like the best and don’t ask any too many questions about it.

    Then you go one to ask something as incredibly naive as
    “Why would they need to conspire and manipulate?”

    Well maybe they don’t need to………….but it ‘s much more profitable and expedient to conspire and manipulate than to play fair and go by the rules unless of course you make the rules. It’s hard for sheeple to understand how in the grand scheme of things even a relatively small amount of money and power has the potential to turn a human into a monster. If you really want some stacks of cash and a little power you don’t have to sell your soul but you will probably have to lease it out for awhile. I have had business dealings directly with bankers, brokerages and securities dealers. If you assume all these financial types or even most of them are ethical, fair playing great guys you are very mistaken. Some of these folks are great people but they are systemically corrupted if not personally.

    Examine the history of Mankind, the history of governments, the history of commerce, the history of business, the history of banking, the history of money and the history of war. If you can not understand that at all times in all places that there are those who manipulate, deceive, betray or even murder their way dominance over the love of money, the addiction of control and lust for power then you delusional or ignorant about the demonstrated nature of man.

    Finally you say something as incredibly dishonest like this…………..and its not just you having an opinion its a flat out fucking lie.

    “People always look for an evil hand or a conspiracy behind tragic political events. Whether it’s the German or American entry into WW2 – both popular conspiracy topics in recent years, or other matters, many theorists have to impune bad motives to good leaders. In America’s case it’s been a slander on George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their staffs in recent years. Such slander of American heroes should stop.

    How about that many of these people happen to be looking at the facts asshole?
    Bush and Cheney are not heroes. They are treasonous bastards. Heroes are guys like my dad who fought in the mud, dirt, horror and death. My dad got a twenty one gun salute and my mom got a flag, And you give praise to a compliant bumbling imbecile like Bush and a career villain like Cheney. You disgust me.

  63. “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

    Look at these quotes from Mencken – look at them again & again. What do they say…?

    They Scream loud & clear, that although time and technology change, human nature does not, nor does man’s desire to Rule over his fellow man – by any means necessary. Our Founding Fathers came the closest to providing a framework whereby structures were set in place to provide a bulwark against abuse by those in ‘authority’. You need not be a died-in-the-wool ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ to figure out that liberties you cherish have been purposely eroded over time by members of both mainstream political parties. Put aside your petty differences – that is of course, assuming you place any value on Liberty in the first place…

  64. Bruce,

    Well said. Thanks for taking the time to write your above comment, even though the truth is often times negative and repugnant.

    All the best,


  65. Government is a great fiction and the ultimate way in which one can punt personal responsibility. It is an organization designed to market the notion that if you only place your belief in the institution you won’t have to worry about private vultures and swindlers taking advantage of you and stealing your hard-earned money, all the while that very institution robs you blind. It is this instilled belief that has allowed the government to work its way into nearly every aspect of your life. Once the lie is accepted, there is no limit to a government’s dominance over you. As evidenced by the current state of affairs, the gullibility and ignorance of the population will permit in this country an evermore overbearing and tyrannical force, sold to the public under the guise of “government knows best” and “it will be far worse than if we don’t act” while presenting no evidence to the contrary. The public at large will lap this up at face value and never question the cost of their acquiescence.

  66. Bruce,

    A lot of rant, generalization, and slander is what I read in your post above. Where are the facts? In your head, of course, and in the minds of a small percentage of others is where they are and in no other place.

    Witness that no MSM source, which includes national and local newspapers, tv, the internet, books, and magazines, has taken up your slander about Bush and Cheney being treasonous bastards. Nor have they even hinted at the claim. It’s only the frustrated fringe that spits. It’s the same with false flags, crimes, and 911. Trained, experienced, and trusted journalists all reject the fringe arguments about those events.

    There are several issues that you’ve raised above: Bush and Cheney, false flags, (governmental) crimes, and 911. Give us some facts to back up each of your claims of lies, coverups, etc. Give us facts about those subjects instead of rant, opinion, and defamation. So do please convince us, Bruce, why we should believe you instead of thousands of respected editors, columnists, and journalists? You can’t do it, can you?

  67. Jackson,
    So now you have a few items of documentation. I know it will make no impression as showing you this is like showing a card trick to a dog. So now I’m done with you, go fuck with someone else somewhere else.

  68. SSS – I am curious as to whether you would still support existing and expanded nuclear power if you actually realized how dangerous and deadly it is. Perhaps you’d start looking around at the real alternatives. OR perhaps you think that economic growth upon growth (and therefore energy demand) no matter what the cost, is what we must do? Is this what you think? Have you thought to wonder if that’s a fundamentally flawed idea? Perhaps not physically possible let alone desirable?

    Are you aware of the vulnerability of most nuclear power plants in the event that the grid goes down? Did you know that:

    “most current reactors are of a similarly outdated design as the Fukushima reactors, where the cooling systems require electricity to operate (FROM THE GRID, NOT FROM THE POWER PRODUCED BY THE REACTOR), and huge amounts of spent radioactive fuel are housed on-site, requiring continuous cooling to prevent radioactive release.” Washington’s Blog – April 8, 2001 ( parenthesis mine)

    Do you think that the utility executives, politicians and regulators give a flying fuck about the safety of the public and the planet? Do you think the NRC is any less captured than the SEC? Stick with this one, it might give that searing insight you so desperately need. Nuclear power is not in the hands of responsible, caring scientists and engineers. It is in the hands of sociopaths and sycophants.

    You can argue for new designs that are fail safe, low waste, etc. all you want, but until you fix existing structural problems such as the need to harden the grid (not very expensive actually) and the need to store spent fuel in dry casks (expensive) and the need to fix the flawed designs of existing reactors (expensive) your demand for more nuclear is a very bad idea

    Until you fix the corrupt business and regulatory environment that exists here and across the globe, your demand for more nuclear is a very bad idea.

    Until you can assure essentially ALL future generations of humanity and life generally, that there will be NO accidents, NO earth quakes, NO wars (that cause intentional or collateral damage), NO short-term greed, NO short cuts taken, NO terrorism, AND you can figure out what to do with the radioactive waste from operation not to mention from mining, you have NO business demanding more nuclear.

    SSS, if you don’t address the human factor, then you are not credible and might as well argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

    I suspect that you have a near religious belief in science and engineering and those who practice it. The biggest problem here is that your acolytes are not in charge.

    Here’s a real world test for you – were they in charge in Japan?

    If so, how did the disaster happen? If not, then how are you going to fix THAT little problem for all time at all plants built and to be built? Or do you have some other convoluted explanation as to why Japan will never happen again, and that somehow the acolytes will be always be in charge from here until the end of time and will never make a critical mistake.

    Remember this is a GLOBAL problem. Even if by some miracle, the People ruled this country wisely and benevolently for all time, from here on out, are you prepared to gamble that every nuclear country in the world will remain stable and responsible to the level nuclear requires, essentially for eternity?

    Why do you have so much faith in private enterprise, government and individuals? I am a lot kinder than you are, but have no such delusions about humans or their institutions.

    Humans need to play with safe things to stay safe.

    Have you been to Fukushima lately? Do you think that problem is solved?

    Here are a few choice headlines from http://www.enenews.com, which you should check at least a few times a week.

    Some Recent Headlines:
    03:57 PM EST on April 27th, 2012 | 40 comments
    Japan medical doctors coming to America to tell of Fukushima’s under-reported health consequences

    01:39 PM EST on April 27th, 2012 | 24 comments
    One year later Forbes resumes Fukushima coverage — Jeff McMahon continues reporting on EPA and Fukushima radiation

    12:13 PM EST on April 27th, 2012 | 15 comments
    Highest hydrogen levels of year inside Reactor No. 2 containment vessel

    10:50 AM EST on April 27th, 2012 | 26 comments
    Mainichi publishes report on thyroid cancer: 30% in Fukushima now with tumors of 2cm or less, thyroid gland only 5cm by 3cm total — Claims cancer increases after 10 sievert radiation dose, so Japan ok (10,000 millisieverts)

    12:59 AM EST on April 27th, 2012 | 30 comments
    Official: Plutonium detected in black substance from Minamisoma (PHOTOS)

    10:59 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 8 comments
    Gov’t: “Almost impossible” to restart Japan nuclear plant — Tsuruga reactor will ’tilt’ if fault moves — Chances “virtually nil” -Kyodo

    09:07 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 10 comments
    Gundersen featured on PBS — Host: “Growing movement” to keep California’s San Onofre nuclear plant shut down permanently (VIDEO)

    07:49 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 68 comments
    *Warning – Graphic* Photographer: “My first reaction was I was looking at a different race of people” — Brain outside of skull, kidneys outside of torso, legs resembling elephant — Some doctors feel strongly there will be no more Belarus people in future (VIDEO)
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    04:50 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 11 comments
    7-fold increase in radioactive cesium being released from Reactor No. 2 during April (CHART)

    03:55 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 11 comments
    Watch: Local Fukushima official films radioactive whirlwind — “All black dust has been also blown away” (VIDEO)
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    01:19 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 15 comments
    Russian Gov’t Radio: “The number of victims has reached one million people today” — Consequences of Chernobyl meltdown are endless and uncontrollable

    06:36 AM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 43 comments
    Japan TV news program films plant life mutations in Tokyo — Fasciated dandelions reported “very often” (VIDEO)

    07:28 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 18 comments
    UPI: Active geological fault lies directly beneath Japan reactor — Yomiuri: “Extremely uncertain” if it can be reactivated

    06:35 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 11 comments
    M4.5, M4.2 hit Fukushima since 5p ET

    05:50 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 37 comments
    NHK: “Unclear” whether any of Japan’s stopped reactors can be restarted

    02:35 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 9 comments
    Fukushima fallout lingered just above ground to be inhaled — While Chernobyl particles appeared to be at higher elevations, or were rained onto surface without floating at low elevation (DIAGRAM)

    Latest Headlines:
    01:46 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 12 comments
    150km from Fukushima Daiichi: Radioactive plumes continued during summer — Fallout was re-suspended during daytime by daily convection due to sunshine

    01:02 PM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 8 comments
    Study: Radioactive ‘black rain’ HELPED Japan after meltdowns — Substantial amount of fallout was floating near ground, and rainfall “ceased its re-suspension” — Area was at “High Risk” beforehand

    11:15 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 8 comments
    Worse than radioactive rain? After Fukushima, fallout was suspended near Earth’s surface without settling down, says new study — “Potentially a health risk, especially for children as they breathe closer to ground”

    09:56 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 43 comments
    Epidemiology Scientist: The slower you spread radiation dose, the more effectively it produces cancer and inherited defects — “Japan is going the very best way in the world for destroying the human race” (1993 VIDEO)

    08:31 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 24 comments
    New Gundersen Interview (AUDIO) — Hundreds turn out to see presentation at city council meeting near San Onofre nuclear plant; Mother speaks about brain cancers in neighborhood

    07:02 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 21 comments
    Mainichi: Decontamination failed and abandoned after Chernobyl — Residents allowed back, then forced to leave again — Now no return for centuries says Zone official

    12:11 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 23 comments
    Japan nuclear plant may be permanently shut down because of quake risk — Fault line found 500 feet from reactor on Tuesday (VIDEO)

    08:46 PM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 29 comments
    Intense M5.5 hits Chiba, outside Tokyo — Followed by M4 aftershocks at same location (MAPS)

    05:05 PM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 111 comments
    Professor: Japan newborns were treated like guinea pigs for study of nuclear weapons and radiation — Stillborn babies secretly shipped to US for research

    02:18 PM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 53 comments
    Wall nearly 100 feet tall to be built underground at Fukushima Daiichi to prevent further spread of radioactive contamination — Construction begins tomorrow, ends June 2014 (PHOTOS)

    12:57 PM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 22 comments
    Kyodo: Fukushima Daiichi reactors are “riddled with meltdown holes”

    11:57 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 25 comments
    Pressure doubles inside Reactor No. 2 containment vessel since start of April — Tepco making effort to reduce pressure

    10:52 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 58 comments
    Gov’t Report: EPA’s ability to protect human health with RadNet was “potentially impaired” for Fukushima — Officials questioned why they were using “dramatically less strict” standards for radiation contamination

    08:43 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 45 comments
    Washington Post: Closing reactors causing a “mess” after “non-catastrophic” Fukushima crisis — Argues for building more nuke plants in US

    07:34 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 41 comments
    Tepco to dump groundwater from under reactor buildings into ocean — Kyodo: 1,000 tons a day; “Tepco would check contamination level before releasing it”

    06:33 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 14 comments
    The Economist: ‘Astounding’ that health of people near Fukushima Daiichi not being tracked

    10:25 PM EST on April 23rd, 2012 | 49 comments
    Book by Fukushima Worker: Bottom of Daini reactor may be ‘broken through’ — Rumors of possible explosion

    06:19 PM EST on April 23rd, 2012 | 30 comments
    Nuclear consultant examines No. 4 spent fuel pool scenarios: Loss of Water vs. Scattering of Fuel Rods

    03:38 PM EST on April 23rd, 2012 | 32 comments
    Nuclear expert raises doubts about support columns under Spent Fuel Pool No.4 at Fukushima Daiichi (PHOTOS)

  69. Jackson says:
    “Building 7 was so heavily damaged it had to be destroyed. Larry Silverstein, on a video you’ve probably all seen, admitted that. So now, what’s the deal with 7 when we know why and how it came down? No secrets or conspiracy there.”

    So Jackson did Larry assemble a cracker jack team to wire the building with explosives while it was burning, so that it could be “pulled” safely?

    According to you, to the following miracles occurred on 9/11:
    1. some time after Building 7 was damaged (now that would be from buildings 1 and 2 collapsing at 9:59am and 10:28am) Larry instantly assembled and materialized a team of at least 30 or 40 demolitions experts.

    2. not only did this team materialize instantly, so did the plan for wiring the building

    3. so did the wire, ordinance, controls etc. required for the “job”

    4. this miracle team then had 6.5 to 7 hours (assuming everything materialized instantly on site remember) to wire the building and demolish it

    5. remember that this miracle team of yours and Larry’s had to set LIVE ORDINANCE WHILE THE BUILDING WAS ON FIRE (“heavily damaged” as you say)

    Wow Jackson – you believe this? If not, let’s hear your version.

    Could it possibly, just maybe possibly be that Building 7 was ALREADY WIRED for demolition BEFORE 9/11?

    Now how the fuck are you going to explain that Jackson?

  70. Bruce 3 Jackson 0

    Funny thing, in Arizona, I ran and lost to Miranda’s moron sister-in-law. She basically stole all of her clean elections money. Legislature’s a family business down there.

  71. Geez Admin – just saw that you too accept the gubmint’s explanation of 9/11. So how about you answer how that amazing team assembled, planned, procured and wired building 7 while it was burning, so they could bring it down by 5pm, having started at 9:59am that morning, at best.

    What possible explanation do you have that could explain how the building came to be wired so it could be demolished, other than that it was wired BEFORE 9/11?

    Doesn’t that make you the LEAST BIT SUSPICIOUS?

    1. Channel Surfing/Afeared of my gubmint

      Please explain to me how hundreds of demolition experts wired Building 7 for demolition prior to 9/11 without anyone noticing.

      You actually want me to believe that these same people arranged for two jetliners to hit the twin towers just so they could demolish Building 7.

      You truthers must smoke some really crazy shit to come up with this drivel.

  72. Here’s a fact for you. Hours after the first plane hit, SOMEONE “found” Mohammed Atta’s passport on the street in New York. The story was that it went through the flaming building and was found on the opposite side. You believe THIS?!?

    1. Here come the nutjobs.

      Mohammed Atta’s passport on the street in NYC. Now I understand. It surely was an inside job. All the buildings were rigged with explosives by thousands of demolition experts and NO ONE noticed. And now, 11 years later not one of the thousands of demolition experts that murdered 3,000 Americans has had a guilty conscience and come forward.

      It all makes sense now – TO A FUCKING MORON!!!!

      You truthers are the dumbest fucking losers on the fucking earth.

      Go troll some other site where morons are welcome.

    1. Hit the fucking road you douchebag.

      AND DON’T COME BACK or I’ll kick you in the balls so hard they come out your nose.

  73. Bruce,

    So why’d you mention 911 initially (What reasonable person would expect them to report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 911 or anything else if their interests or friends interests were at stake and contrary to the facts?”) but fail to mention 911 in your several part rebuttal?

    Is it because you’re one of the “Nut Job(s),” as Administrator calls the truthers? So, on 911, put up or shut up and admit your slander of our government. This one’s worth five points. Score: Jackson 5, Bruce 3, even by the best estimates.

  74. So Admin, you think they wired Building 7 the day of 9/11? Seriously? Or do you have some other idea?

    1. Building 7 was badly damaged and burned all day long. It fell due to the damage.

      That’s what happened you idiot.

      Now provide all of us with a LOGICAL explanation of who, why and how the building was wired for demolition.

      This should be real good.


      Because you nutjobs NEVER have a logical explanation for how it happened. All you idiots ever have to say is gravity, blah, blah, freefall, blah, blah.

      Same shit different moron.

      1. Learn something you numbskull. Nutjobs hate logic and facts.

        Conspiracy theorists say World Trade Center 7 is the best proof for controlled demolition because it wasn’t hit by airliners and only had a few fires. They also claim that there was a confession from the building owner who said he “pulled” it. But this is deceptive because while building 7 wasn’t hit by an airliner, it was hit by the large perimeter columns of the Tower collapse. It was 400 ft away but the towers were more than 1300 ft tall. As the tower peeled open, it easily tilted over to reach building 7. Below is evidence showing that conspiracy theorists are wrong.

        As you can see from the graphic below, all the buildings just as far away from both towers as WTC7 were hit. The others were either very short buildings which didn’t have to support a massive load above or had no fire. Only Building 7 had unfought fires and the massive load of 40 stories above them.


  75. @ Channel Serfing, who said, “I am curious as to whether you would still support existing and expanded nuclear power if you actually realized how dangerous and deadly it is. Perhaps you’d start looking around at the real alternatives.”

    I support doubling or tripling nuclear power in this country…………and the planet, dipshit. The fucking U.N., of all sources, agrees with me and just issued a report saying so. Let me be clear. The existing 104 nuclear plants in this country, including Three Mile Island which is still operating, are safe. The proposed future plants are designed to be even safer.

    What the fuck is your hangup on safety anyway? Nothing in this world is perfect. Chernobyl happened because the cheap ass Soviets never installed a reactor shield. Fukushima happened because the Japanese never moved the power switching station next to the backup generators and left it next to the flooded reactor buildings. Duh. Three Mile Island was the classic fart in a hurricane, a fucking coolant pump failure and human error in reacting to the problem resulting in, wait for it, absolutely nothing.

    You are the classic Chicken Little, Serf. “The sky is falling, the sky is falling.” You know absolutely nothing about what you’re talking and love to spread fear mongering. Instead, you resort to retorts such as “looking around at real alternatives.” What fucking alternatives, asshole? I told you above that there are NO fucking alternatives. NONE.

    You say you have real solutions? Real alternatives? Share your solutions and alternatives, you pompous prick. Save America and the planet. We’re waiting.

  76. Regarding Fukushima, why didn’t the japanese put their nuke plants on their west coast, which is much less exposed to earthquake and tsunami damage?

  77. Jackson,
    You moron. All I indicated is that in light of all the lies, deceptions and half truths it is hard to believe the official 911 story or anything else that government reports. And as far a 911 goes I said nothing else. As far as I’m concerned all the 911 truth stories are bullshit and the Governments official report is just another 911 truth story. So fuck off and go concoct some more monkey ass bullshit to feed yourself.

  78. Zara

    Who knows? Why didn’t they locate the nuke plants further inland on the east coast? Why didn’t they build a 30-40 foot wall to protect them from tsunamis instead of an 18 foot wall? When a 30 foot tsunami hit, they missed it by 12 feet. Shit happens.

  79. Sorry about that Anonymous,
    Didn’t mean to use your ID. For some reason the blanks to fill in when leaving a comment are often filled in with someone else on my system and I didn’t check before I hit send.

    Bruce made this comment not anyone else.
    You moron. All I indicated is that in light of all the lies, deceptions and half truths it is hard to believe the official 911 story or anything else that government reports. And as far a 911 goes I said nothing else. As far as I’m concerned all the 911 truth stories are bullshit and the Governments official report is just another 911 truth story. So fuck off and go concoct some more monkey ass bullshit to feed yourself.

  80. Here is a 37 second commercial put out by “Remember Building 7” a non-partisan campaign led by 9/11 family members to raise awareness of the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 so that public pressure will compel the New York City Council and Manhattan District Attorney to open a new investigation.

    As you’ll learn, 1500 architects and engineers concluded that the collapse of building 7 was caused by a controlled demolition.

    The website is http://www.rememberbuilding7.org.

    There is also a 15 minute documentary on the homepage. The url for that is here

    PS: I also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and I agree with the economic policies of Paul Krugman

  81. @ Channel Serfing, who said, “Until you can assure essentially ALL future generations of humanity and life generally, that there will be NO accidents, NO earth quakes, NO wars (that cause intentional or collateral damage), NO short-term greed, NO short cuts taken, NO terrorism, AND you can figure out what to do with the radioactive waste from operation not to mention from mining, you have NO business demanding more nuclear.”

    Holy shit, dickweed. Could you set your bar just a tad higher? I find it difficult to believe that any rational person would pose such a preposterous challenge. And yes, I’m questioning not only whether you are rational, but whether your IQ hits double digits.

    As for what to do with radioactive waste, I have a two word answer. Yucca Mountain. Designed by scientific experts, shut down by irrational political dipshits funded by the Channel Serfing Foundation. Another $15 billion down the drain.

  82. SSS,

    Here are headlines just from 2012, covering a significant number of US nuclear plants and facilities that have had serious safety issues this year and last. Articles about the effect of fallout from Fukushima here in the US are included as well.

    As Fukushima and Chernobyl and TMI (new information coming out there too – see below) prove, a single disaster can cause insane problems.

    Why do you pick the most dangerous way to generate electricity? As one Nuclear Expert in the 2nd to last article points out “Reactors produce 50 years of electricity and half a million years of waste — Not a particularly good deal”.

    Seriously SSS what the fuck is with that? You can’t even convince the silly humans to use Yucca Mountain. How are you going to ensure the same race of people manages nuclear to the standard necessary?

    Of course a rational person would recognize that the humans can’t safely manage nuclear plants and waste for eternity, so why set them up to fail? I wish you could see how stupid you’re being.

    As for your claim of safety, the first article is a few days out of order because it calls bullshit on that absurdity.

    As you scan the headlines, you’ll see many facilities that have recently had or are still having serious problems:
    – North Anna, near DC (earthquake, radioactive leak)
    – New Jersey (fire, leak, at least a temporary emergency shutdown)
    – Ft Calhoun, Nebraska (would have been a meltdown, NRC actually prevented it!)
    – EPA RadNet (impaired, offline, manipulated)
    – San Onofre, San Diego, CA (extreme wear, fire, leak, both reactors shut down – probably permanently)
    – Philadelphia (Radiation discharge)
    – Hanford, WA (leak, waste may have too much plutonium to process safely, contamination reaching ground water?)
    – Los Alamos, NM (dangerously exposed radioactive materials and waste, almost released in wild fire)
    – Rocky Flats, CO (contamination as high as 40 years ago, BEFORE cleanup)
    – MN (leak?)
    – Illinois (earthquake, plant lost power, smoke, leaks, radioactive steam released)

    Thank God the industry is SO safe, otherwise a rational person might start to get worried!

    To get to these articles go to http://www.enenews.com.

    01:58 PM EST on April 28th, 2012 | 77 comments
    “Revelations on nuclear plants sound warning” — Harvard study reveals large-scale radiation releases just outside major US city that lasted for decades — “Surely this could not have happened, but apparently it did” (VIDEO)

    07:55 AM EST on May 2nd, 2012 | 5 comments
    Local CBS News: ‘Slight’ leak was found after post-quake inspection of North Anna nuclear plant — Officials say not actually caused by quake (VIDEO)

    03:19 PM EST on April 30th, 2012 | 46 comments
    Emergency declared at New Jersey nuclear plant — Multiple fire alarms sound after reactor shuts down — Tests were occurring on emergency cooling system — Cause remains under investigation

    09:30 PM EST on April 29th, 2012 | 14 comments
    Nuclear Engineer: Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant “likely would have melted down” if operators were not forced by NRC to make enhancements before major flooding (VIDEO)

    03:04 AM EST on April 29th, 2012 | 52 comments
    L.A. Daily News Column: Radioactive kelp is California’s “most under-reported story of the spring” — “It’s been somewhat radioactive off-and-on for months”

    09:07 PM EST on April 26th, 2012 | 10 comments
    Gundersen featured on PBS — Host: “Growing movement” to keep California’s San Onofre nuclear plant shut down permanently (VIDEO)

    08:31 AM EST on April 25th, 2012 | 24 comments
    New Gundersen Interview (AUDIO) — Hundreds turn out to see presentation at city council meeting near San Onofre nuclear plant; Mother speaks about brain cancers in neighborhood

    10:52 AM EST on April 24th, 2012 | 59 comments
    Gov’t Report: EPA’s ability to protect human health with RadNet was “potentially impaired” for Fukushima — Officials questioned why they were using “dramatically less strict” standards for radiation contamination

    05:29 AM EST on April 23rd, 2012 | 97 comments
    New Interview: Fukushima poses lethal risk to US West Coast, says Senator — Another bomb waiting to go off — Extreme nuclear vulnerability, especially in Reactor No. 4

    08:17 PM EST on April 21st, 2012 | 19 comments
    California Nuclear Plant Operator: No further description of fire could be provided — “Cause was still unclear”

    04:03 AM EST on April 21st, 2012 | 135 comments
    Fire at California’s San Onofre nuclear plant burns for over 40 minutes — Cause unknown

    03:33 AM EST on April 20th, 2012 | 5 comments
    Fairewinds Energy Education launches new website

    12:41 PM EST on April 19th, 2012 | 42 comments
    Gundersen: Cesium-134 and -137 detected in Southern California pollen sample — “When you find them both together that’s a Fukushima signature” (VIDEO)

    T on April 19th, 2012 | 54 comments
    Senate Leader: NRC Commissioner ‘Lied To Congress’ — Could bring Senate to grinding halt
    07:33 AM EST on April 16th, 2012 | 15 comments

    Alaska’s #2 Newspaper: Spring brings fallout — Cesium-137 believed to cause malevolent genetic mutations, says reprinted editorial

    05:22 PM EST on April 13th, 2012 | 93 comments
    Radiation discharge near Philadelphia kept secret from public for weeks — No ‘immediate’ health concerns, says NRC

    02:09 PM EST on April 12th, 2012 | 46 comments
    Problems escalate at California’s San Onofre nuke plant — Second reactor in jeopardy

    11:59 AM EST on April 10th, 2012 | 70 comments
    San Francisco Bay Area milk sample has highest amount of Cesium-137 since last June — Almost double EPA’s maximum contaminant level

    09:00 AM EST on April 10th, 2012 | 46 comments
    NRC email reveals US nuclear plant used MOX fuel

    10:38 AM EST on April 8th, 2012 | 55 comments
    Nuclear Expert: Radiation plume has now hit Hawaii — In a year it’ll probably reach U.S. West Coast (VIDEO)

    07:44 AM EST on April 8th, 2012 | 25 comments
    UC Berkeley plutonium testing was 200-300 times less sensitive than US gov’t — University researchers still “may consider” performing more precise analysis for alpha particles — EPA detected Uranium-238 in San Francisco

    12:00 AM EST on April 8th, 2012 | 6 comments
    L.A. Daily News: Casino to be built on site of nuclear reactor meltdown just miles from Los Angeles? Was up to 240 times Three Mile Island — Cesium-137 still up to 1,000 times over limit

    06:50 PM EST on April 7th, 2012 | 8 comments
    Newspaper: Orange County coastal fish possibly affected by radioactivity — “I would assume it’s there” in the plants and animals off California’s coast says researcher

    07:24 AM EST on April 6th, 2012 | 20 comments
    NOAA Scientists: Plumes from Asia contribute up to 20% of surface ozone pollution on US West Coast… closely related to radioactive fallout — Maximum at Los Angeles Basin, southwest

    09:03 PM EST on April 5th, 2012 | 10 comments
    Study Author: California iodine-131 probably double or triple what we reported

    09:01 PM EST on April 4th, 2012 | 16 comments
    WATCH: Commercial to air on CNN exposes cover-up and radiation leak at California nuke plant (VIDEO)

    12:26 AM EST on April 3rd, 2012 | 11 comments
    Radiation plume heading toward Hawaii, says Japan gov’t study — Fukushima-contaminated water to hit in under 2 years — Ocean may be 50% of EPA’s maximum contaminant level for drinking water (PHOTO)

    02:56 PM EST on April 2nd, 2012 | 15 comments
    Fukushima Fallout in New Hampshire: Radioactive iodine at 12,000 atoms per square meter in sediment (STUDY)

    10:14 AM EST on April 2nd, 2012 | 74 comments
    Fox San Diego: Unprecedented? California nuke plant forbidden from reopening — “We’ve really never seen the Feds take such a drastic step” — Locals stunned, alarmed (VIDEO)

    10:19 PM EST on March 31st, 2012 | 93 comments
    Radio: Allegations of pet deaths after radiation exposure are supported by top university’s re-analysis of Three Mile Island data (AUDIO)

    12:45 AM EST on March 31st, 2012 | 25 comments
    Scientists: California fish harmed by Fukushima radiation? Thyroids are sensitive to iodine-131 — Radioactive marterial probably accumulated in opaleye, halfmoon and senorita

    EST on March 30th, 2012 | 31 comments
    40,000,000 Bq of iodine-131 in a single bed of kelp off Southern California — Amount most likely larger

    02:43 PM EST on March 30th, 2012 | 43 comments
    Forbes: Nuclear power is no longer a viable source of new energy in US, says Excelon CEO who retired just days earlier

    12:59 PM EST on March 30th, 2012 | 26 comments
    US News and World Report: Nuclear Power Is On Its Deathbed, Says Expert — Public is riveted on the issue of nuclear safety — Scrutiny is so intense

    02:37 AM EST on March 30th, 2012 | 18 comments
    Southern California had 2,500 Bq/kg of iodine-131 in seaweed — Over 500% higher than other tests in U.S., Canada

    10:25 PM EST on March 29th, 2012 | 60 comments
    Study: Fukushima radiation plume contacted North America at California ‘with greatest exposure in central and southern California’

    12:05 AM EST on March 26th, 2012 | 60 comments
    Fairewinds President: Organic farm in Portland stopped producing food after radiation tests — “Very frightening what happened on West Coast” (VIDEO)

    08:05 PM EST on March 23rd, 2012 | 36 comments
    Has too much plutonium made Hanford waste untreatable? Western world’s most expensive construction project having nuclear chain reaction worries

    11:13 PM EST on March 21st, 2012 | 49 comments
    CNN nuclear expert: I think MOX fuel is being used at U.S. reactors — Contradicts gov’t claims — Made in Russia with weapons-grade plutonium (VIDEO)

    11:04 AM EST on March 20th, 2012 | 136 comments
    ‘The Daily Show’ is going nuclear: Nuclear industry will use program for ad campaign that claims to display value of atomic power — Trying to target younger audience -Bloomberg

    05:21 PM EST on March 18th, 2012 | 151 comments
    US to burn 100s of tons of radioactive waste from Germany in Tennessee

    09:07 PM EST on March 17th, 2012 | 44 comments
    L.A. Local News: “New problems at the San Onofre nuclear plant” — Special team called in — More tubes fail — NRC trying to figure out why it’s happening so quickly (VIDEO)

    01:20 AM EST on March 17th, 2012 | 55 comments
    AP: California’s San Onofre nuclear plant shuts down indefinitely over safety worries

    03:19 AM EST on March 15th, 2012 | 11 comments
    ‘Developing Story’ at Los Alamos: “No timetable for any release of details concerning what the substance actually was” — Even newspaper got automated 911 call — Businesses on DP Road still waiting for all-clear — Advised to shelter in place

    12:49 AM EST on March 15th, 2012 | 14 comments
    Los Alamos sends reverse-911 call warning residents — People told to stay indoors — Container released unknown gas — Caused “flash” on contact with air — Roads closed, Hazmat team dispatched to Material Disposal Area B

    09:33 PM EST on March 13th, 2012 | 129 comments
    KPBS: Concern over reports of high radiation levels near California nuke plant — Results shared with many residents via internet — Homeland Security professor believes readings not correct

    08:31 AM EST on March 9th, 2012 | 32 comments
    US Survey: Nuclear industry wrong — Fukushima having major, lasting impact on Americans

    02:33 PM EST on March 6th, 2012 | 338 comments
    Controversy after US gov’t estimate showed 40,000 microsievert thyroid dose for California infants from Fukushima — Data not released to public — “Very high doses to children”

    01:34 AM EST on March 6th, 2012 | 57 comments
    Los Angeles-area Meltdown: Cesium-137 still up to 1,000 times higher than standard — Plutonium also detected — Located between Chatsworth and Simi Valley

    12:06 AM EST on March 2nd, 2012 | 104 comments
    US Regulator: We’ve got to stop labs from testing for Fukushima radiation — “Tell them to back off” — Worried about them talking to press about ‘consequences’

    09:46 AM EST on February 28th, 2012 | 78 comments
    USGS: Fukushima fallout in US worse than after Chernobyl

    08:48 AM EST on February 23rd, 2012 | 19 comments
    Portland-area had highest Iodine-131 deposition in US at 5,100 Bq/m² by April 5 -Gov’t Study

    08:08 AM EST on February 23rd, 2012 | 48 comments
    USGS: Los Angeles area had highest cesium deposition in US after Fukushima

    04:10 PM EST on February 22nd, 2012 | 30 comments
    North Anna: 53,300 picocuries per liter detected — Not sure where radiation is leaking — “No evidence” that increase in radioactivity related to quake says spokesman

    08:55 AM EST on February 22nd, 2012 | 23 comments
    AP: Quake-hit North Anna nuke plant leaking radioactivity

    09:27 PM EST on February 18th, 2012 | 30 comments
    Plutonium up to 1,579 pCi/kg detected near Denver at Rocky Flats — Contamination levels remain as high as 40 years ago, BEFORE site ‘cleaned up’

    02:15 PM EST on February 17th, 2012 | 57 comments
    Gundersen featured on CNN — NRC refuses to speak to network despite weeks of requests and showing up in person (VIDEO)

    10:13 PM EST on February 10th, 2012 | 82 comments
    US gov’t secretly injected people with plutonium — Disabled school children fed radioactive oatmeal (VIDEO)

    05:32 PM EST on February 10th, 2012 | 22 comments
    Troubled Calif. nuke plant may not even apply for a renewal license — Says 4,000 tons of high-level radioactive waste stored onsite

    12:41 PM EST on February 10th, 2012 | 54 comments
    “This is a developing story”: NBC has learned there’s been a leak at Hanford — “Radioactive reading” near cracked container of radioactive waste

    10:48 AM EST on February 10th, 2012 | 31 comments
    “Sophisticated Press Manipulation”: Journalist’s detailed critique of PBS Frontline’s Fukushima program

    01:57 PM EST on February 9th, 2012 | 50 comments
    *NRC approves new US reactors* NRC Chairman says no: “I cannot support issuing this license as if Fukushima had never happened” — Had been a supporter of project

    10:42 AM EST on February 9th, 2012 | 19 comments
    Expert: “American nuclear industry is on the brink of collapse” (AUDIO)

    12:03 AM EST on February 9th, 2012 | 93 comments
    TV: Gov’t testing for radioactive material on Hawaii beaches — “It is something that’s been quietly under way for the past year here” — NOAA, EPA, State all preparing together for tsunami debris (VIDEO)

    06:29 PM EST on February 8th, 2012 | 53 comments
    “No Comment”: Residents near troubled Calif. nuke plant request officials begin cancer study and install radiation detectors — Also: Radioactive leak in Minn., Protests over Georgia nuke project, Brazil to delay reactors… More
    06:28 PM EST on February 7th, 2012 | 151 comments
    Highest level of radioactive cesium in San Francisco-area milk since September 2011 — Now at 150% of EPA’s maximum contaminant limit (CHART)

    PM EST on February 7th, 2012 | 45 comments
    San Onofre Whistleblower: This is extremely significant — They had an actual tube rupture — This is very, very significant (VIDEO)

    05:00 AM EST on February 7th, 2012 | 58 comments
    US gov’t kept worst-case Fukushima scenario secret from public — “Possibility of radiation exceeding safe levels for thyroid doses in Alaska”

    02:11 PM EST on February 6th, 2012 | 67 comments
    89 sieverts per hour measured in soil near Columbia River in Washington — Worst contamination just feet from groundwater

    01:15 PM EST on February 6th, 2012 | 19 comments
    Nuclear Expert: Pipe ruptures at Calif. nuke plant could have lead to meltdown, China Syndrome, catastrophic radioactivity release (VIDEO)

    11:59 AM EST on February 3rd, 2012 | 37 comments
    UPDATE: Worker fell into pool that held reactor core — May have swallowed fuel particles in radioactive water — Wearing life preserver says spokesman

    10:33 PM EST on February 2nd, 2012 | 42 comments
    Local Paper: “News could be catastrophic for San Onofre” nuke plant in Calif. — Over 800 tubes show damage — Multiple pipes may have burst — Still can’t determine size of leak

    09:52 PM EST on February 2nd, 2012 | 21 comments
    “Unusual” find at shutdown Calif. nuke plant: “Safety implications could be very, very severe” — “I’ve never heard of anything like that” -Retired NRC engineer

    01:42 PM EST on February 2nd, 2012 | 60 comments
    Gov’t estimate says radiation released after emergency at Illinois nuke plant was 1 microsievert — 3% of yearly ALARA level set by NRC

    10:22 AM EST on February 2nd, 2012 | 45 comments
    NRC: We know California nuke plant vented some radioactive gases — Paper: No ‘significant’ danger to workers or public

    09:45 AM EST on February 2nd, 2012 | 9 comments
    Local TV: People came home to find animals with eyes burned out after TMI evacuation (VIDEO & PHOTOS)

    05:46 PM EST on February 1st, 2012 | 18 comments
    NRC begins special investigation into water pump malfunction at Illinois nuke plant

    04:11 PM EST on February 1st, 2012 | 91 comments
    AP: Many tubes found damaged at San Diego-area nuke plant — “Unusual” says NRC — Cause unknown — Radiation could have escaped… Developing

    03:39 PM EST on February 1st, 2012 | 37 comments
    Radioactive release possible at California nuke plant: “We can’t make a black and white statement that absolutely none escaped” — Workers unable to enter to check if leaking

    09:29 AM EST on February 1st, 2012 | 70 comments
    NRC spokeswoman for emergency at Illinois nuke plant also works as belly dancer — “Absolutely there’s no threat to the public” (PHOTOS)

    11:15 PM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 52 comments
    San Diego area nuke plant shut down after ‘potential’ leak — No ‘apparent’ release into atmosphere — No ‘imminent’ danger to public says spokewoman

    07:21 PM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 53 comments
    Officials admit there was smoke at Illinois nuclear plant — NRC to start special investigation — Diesel generators still supplying power to reactor equipment

    06:42 PM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 39 comments
    Illinois Emergency Mgmt. Agency testing air around Byron nuke plant — It’s a public duty to verify current radioactivity levels in area, says director

    05:23 PM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 18 comments
    Nuclear Engineer: Small leaks in pipes carrying reactor water caused radioactivity in steam releases from Illinois nuke plant

    03:50 PM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 23 comments
    Reaction on Local News: “Everyone is on edge” around Illinois nuke plant — “My niece called and she told me to stay in the house, so that’s what I did” (PHOTOS & VIDEO)

    11:58 AM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 11 comments
    AP: Why was smoke seen at Illinois nuke plant, but no fire?

    10:36 AM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 30 comments
    AP: Officials don’t yet know how much radiation is being released from Illinois nuke plant — NRC inspectors in control room

    09:43 AM EST on January 31st, 2012 | 25 comments
    Rare quake hits near troubled Illinois nuke plant releasing radioactive steam — “That’s right, she said earthquake” (VIDEO)

    10:01 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 70 comments
    State of Wisconsin issues statement on nuclear “incident” in Illinois — Currently monitoring conditions after plant lost power and went offline

    07:33 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 26 comments
    Fireman Eyewitness: “It looked like a lot of smoke coming from containment building” at Byron nuclear plant — Had to be told it was steam — Original call said a building at Byron nuclear plant was filling up with smoke (VIDEO)

    06:21 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 19 comments
    Reporters at Byron Press Conference: A lot of people are calling us about a loud noise — Was a special emergency response team on scene? (VIDEO)

    04:10 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 26 comments
    NRC: “Not a huge concern” at nuke plant outside Chicago — Employees reported seeing smoke coming from transformer after outage, no fire found

    02:54 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 62 comments
    UPDATED: Emergency shutdown at Illinois reactor — Smoke was actually steam containing radioactive material — Workers evacuated — Releases will continue throughout day (PHOTO)

    01:48 PM EST on January 30th, 2012 | 5 comments
    U.S. University Study: 23% higher incidence of childhood leukemia within 16 km of nuclear facilities… More

    04:07 PM EST on January 29th, 2012 | 29 comments
    CBC on TMI: Reports of enormous increase in cancer deaths — Infant mortality rates doubled — Birds disappeared — Many mutations observed (VIDEO)

    05:31 PM EST on January 24th, 2012 | 46 comments
    Sundance Premiere: “Death Row” in NY town where nuclear reactors leaked — “Almost every house on this street had somebody who was sick with cancer or something else” (VIDEO)

    12:22 PM EST on January 21st, 2012 | 37 comments
    Federal judge rules Vermont can’t close nuclear plant — Must remain open though state wants it shut down — Gundersen featured on local news (VIDEO)

    01:51 PM EST on January 18th, 2012 | 40 comments
    USATODAY: Official concerns over uncontrolled nuclear reaction risks inside plutonium facility near Portland

    08:35 AM EST on January 18th, 2012 | 15 comments
    NPR: Newly leaked report warns plutonium levels at Hanford may be much higher than claimed — “The Columbia River is at stake, all of that area and its vitality” says Washington Governor

    10:14 AM EST on January 17th, 2012 | 35 comments
    Coverup? Safety manager at Washington nuclear site: Criticality could be probable — Worried about hydrogen explosion — Up to 13 times more plutonium than thought, like 20+ Nagasaki bombs

    12:09 PM EST on January 16th, 2012 | 107 comments
    Over EPA limit: Cesium levels in San Francisco area milk now higher than 6 months ago

    02:27 PM EST on January 9th, 2012 | 49 comments
    Problems continue to emerge at troubled Ft. Calhoun: Now worse than worst grade a reactor can have and still operate — Plus cause of fire that knocked out spent fuel pool cooling this summer remains unknown

    03:17 PM EST on January 8th, 2012 | 9 comments
    Two US nuclear plants had quakes exceeding operating basis… while in process of getting licensed (PHOTO)

    10:47 AM EST on January 1st, 2012 | 73 comments – (Comments are closed)
    Nuclear Expert: Reactors produce 50 years of electricity and half a million years of waste — Not a particularly good deal (VIDEO)

    11:54 AM EST on December 29th, 2011 | 38 comments – (Comments are closed)
    Iodine-131 in eastern US may have exceeded EPA limit

  83. Channel Serfing

    You’re so goddamned stupid, it’s painful to read what you’ve written. You copy and paste this long list of unsubstantiated Chicken Little bullshit (unlinked) and think you’re brilliant. I’m so impressed that it all comes with an Eastern Standard Time date/time group. Oh, that seals its credibility.

    I go back to my original challenge. What’s your solution? What are the “real alternatives” (your words) that I haven’t looked at? Tell us how you’re going to take 200,000 megawatts of power OFF the grid and replace it with what? You have no answers, and you know it.

    You’re a fucking nihilist in the most classic sense of the word.

  84. It is very interesting to see the combination of faulty and myopic logic you have, along with the untested / unconscious assumptions you make. The anger, vitriol and superiority/inferiority complex you suffer from make it more challenging to communicate with you, but that’s what you are bringing to the table, so I’ll deal with it.

    Your Arguments:
    1. ONLY Nuclear can provide the massive amounts of electricity we need to continue growing our economy at an exponential rate

    2. Because only nuclear can deliver the necessary electricity, we must use it and “double or triple” our nuclear fleet in the US (and world).

    Unconscious Assumption
    1. Exponential growth of the economy is the only way to human happiness

    2. There is never enough – we must always have more – more growth, more people, more electricity, more stuff. We’ll never reach a state of contentment – we can only hope to be happy by eternally striving for more, more, more!

    OR perhaps you don’t care about humanity (much more likely) and instead think this

    2a. Exponential growth of the economy is the only way that superior people like SSS can be fulfilled, even if the majority of humanity suffers – like they do today – because after all, they’re stupid, inferior and deserve it!

    3. Exponential growth is so important that it doesn’t matter if the power we use to enable it is dangerous, deadly and ultimately causes most of humanity to be wiped out

    If you are willing to question your unfounded belief in endless, exponential growth, then you’ll start to see a lot of choices that are much better than nuclear power.

    Look into CASSE, Steady State Economics, Herman Daly. Please get curious about these concepts, they’re critical to the survival of everyone, including angry, misinformed, frightened people like you.

    Once we collectively recognize the stupidity of modelling our economy on the principle of cancer (grow until your host dies), and apply principles of deliberative democracy (see James Fishkin – seriously cool and proven stuff) we can redesign the economy to work for the 99%. Practically speaking an economy for the 99% really means an economy for the 100% plus the planet.

    Then you find you don’t need the ridiculous levels of energy you claim we’ll need.

    To get us through the crunch period while we build out renewables (and especially push energy efficiency which is bursting with low hanging fruit) we use natural gas because unlike your cherished baseload sources, natural gas is easily ramped up and down to allow renewables to contribute nearly 100% of what they capture, to the grid.

    In designing an economy for the 100%, we’ll need to stop issuing money as debt at the government level. And instead we’ll spend it into existence on projects that provide a reasonable ROI including healthcare, education and infrastructure. Infrastructure would include distributed solar on most rooftops, CSP with storage, wind, capturing and using waste heat like Edison did a century ago.

    Even without these fundamental improvements to the system we operate in, it is already apparent that we can go 100% renewable by 2030. Here’s one such study out of the Institute for Transportation Studies at the University of California, Davis and Stanford University’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering:


    1. WOW!!!

      It looks like Channel Serfing is kicking SSS’ decrepit old CIA ass on this thread.

      SSS may need an extra long nap before he responds.

      It reminds me of the epic beatdown SSS received on the Guatamalan CIA Coup thread.

      It’s kind of sad.

  85. Previous comment was directed to SSS of course, as is this one.

    SSS – so sorry to burden you with going to http://www.enenews.com to link to the articles I pasted. Do you think they’re fake? Why don’t you go find out? If they’re fake, you can have a blast trashing me!

    If they’re real – perhaps you can read one or two or three of them and see if you learn anything.

    Remember that nuclear power is causing incredible suffering NOW. You are ignoring this which is pretty scary and would be offensive if you weren’t so clueless.

    The list of articles shows you how many problems we have NOW with our very old nuclear fleet.

    You seem to care quite a bit more about nuclear power than you care about humanity. That is strange because I thought the purpose of nuclear power was to serve humanity.

    If you actually put humanity first, then you would insist on all of the spent fuel pools being emptied with the spent fuel being placed in dry cask storage. This is far, far safer than what we’ve got now. Yes it is expensive, but it is insane not to do it.

    If you actually put humanity first, then you would insist that we bring our fleet up to a high standard before we embark on growing the fleet.

    If you actually put humanity first, you would ponder how do we guarantee that all nuclear countries for all time, maintain a high degree of transparency and safety.

    But you don’t care about any of these things. So ultimately it comes down to this: All you care about is growing the nuclear fleet worldwide, no matter how fucked up and dangerous it is.

    That’s a bummer. I hope you start to recognize and question your assumptions. Good luck!

  86. Admin

    Even though I gave you a thumbs-up for that smart ass comment, fuck you very much. I don’t recall sending you an invitation to join this bloodbath I’m visiting upon Channel Smurfing. Don’t make me catch the next flight back to Philly.


    You obviously cannot read for comprehension, so let me walk you through this step by step, using the TBP-approved method of counting.

    Step Z. I did NOT say, as you wrongly assert, that nuclear power is the only method through which which we can produce “the massive amounts of electricity we need to continue growing our economy at an exponential rate.” I did say that nuclear is one several available technologies which provide baseload power, meaning 24/7, 365. The others are coal, oil, natural gas, and hydro. Go reread what I said, because it includes natural gas as a source of baseload power.

    Step aaa. I also said, if you want green, hydro is tapped out essentially. That leaves nuclear as the ONLY GREEN CHOICE (no harmful emissions) available.

    Step %. You seem to be hung up on caring for humanity when you stated, “You (meaning me)seem to care quite a bit more about nuclear power than you care about humanity.” What a fucking joke. I advocate a source of energy that is harmless with its atmospheric emissions, and you said above, “To get us through the crunch period while we build out renewables (and especially push energy efficiency which is bursting with low hanging fruit) we use natural gas.” Natural gas pours “only” 60% of the harmful emissions into the atmosphere that a coal plant does. Woo, hoo. Tell me NOW who cares more about humanity?

    But you really stepped onto the scaffold, put the noose around your neck, and released the trap door when you said “it is already apparent that we can go 100% renewable by 2030” and posted a link to that laughable Cal Davis-Stanford transportation. Here’s how ignorant and gullible you are. The study advocates by 2030:

    15. Building 90,000 (not a misprint) 300 MW solar power plants. Jesus H. Christ. Without getting into the stratospheric cost factor, much less where we’re going to find that much high-grade silicon for the solar panels, that amount of solar power plants would consume 421,875 SQUARE MILES OF U.S. TERRITORY. That’s 14% of the entire United States covered with solar panels. Yeah, that’ll work just fine.

    2 B (or not 2 B). Building 4,000,000 5 MW wind turbines. I’ll be generous with you here, Smurf, and assume that a 5 MW wind turbine costs the same as a 1 MW turbine, which is $3 million a pop. Can you do the math, Smurf? Comes out to $12 fucking TRILLION dollars. And this is just ONE aspect of what this shit-for-brains study proposes.

    I can cover 50% of what we will need in increased power with nuclear by 2030 for the same price as Obama’s stimulus plan of $840 billion. And I have zero problems with covering the rest with a mixture of natural gas, improving out renewable posture, and dialing back on coal where feasible.

    You’re in over your head, Smurf. You’re a fucking uneducated rookie when it comes to energy. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

  87. One aspect of my current position is cellulosic ethanol production. Currently we are still several cents more per gallon expensive than oil, BUT there have been many leaps forward in terms of S. cerevisiae selection, as well as better (more efficient) acid catalysis of the cellulosic/hemicellulosic bonds.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if this source of fuel grew greatly in the coming years…in fact I’m counting on it lol

    On the topic of the powergrid: As it stands now nuclear energy is our best bet. Rather than shunning the idea, our country should embrace it.

    Man, our GDP has been truly impressive through the years. It boggles my mind that we still are relying on OIL and COAL for our damned energy. Nuclear Fusion and cellulosic ethanol should have been in the works decades ago.

    Congressman Paul is right:

    Government cannot invest, it can only redistribute resources. Just look at the mess government created with ethanol. Congress decided that we needed more biofuels, and the best choice was ethanol from corn. So we subsidized corn farmers at the expense of others, and investment in other types of renewables was crowded out.

    Now it turns out that corn ethanol is inefficient, and it actually takes more energy to produce the fuel than you get when you burn it. The most efficient ethanol may come from hemp, but hemp production is illegal and there has been little progress on hemp ethanol. And on top of that, corn is now going into our gas tanks instead of onto our tables or feeding our livestock or dairy cows; so food prices have been driven up. This is what happens when we allow government to make choices instead of the market; I hope we avoid those mistakes moving forward.”

    One of the key problems facing cellulosic ethanol production is that massive oil subsidies have made it pointless to invest into other areas. The only people pushing into the market are the ones truly out on a limb, or the truly forward thinkers. Let the market establish an oil price, and I guarantee we will see leaps and bounds in renewable energy technology.

    PS: Nuclear fusion…seriously wtf, why is it not reliable yet? Spend less money on building bunker busters and more on renewable energy imo

  88. @ ThePessimisticChemist

    At last, a rational voice on energy weighs in.

    Biomass energy, including cellulosic ethanol, does show enormous promise, particularly in the transportation sector which consumes 90% of our demand for oil. As you pointed out, getting cellulosic ethanol to a competitive point with oil-based gasoline will be a challenge, particularly in light of a fucked-up federal policy which supports corn-based ethanol. What an unmitigated disaster that is.

    Channel Smurfing heads off into la-la land when he starts spouting off about humanity and “endless economic growth,” but never explains how he proposes to stop people in the U.S. from having babies at a rate which increases the nation’s population, thus creating a need for more jobs and more businesses and more houses and more cars and thus an increased demand for more energy. He must know that any such attempt by government to control population, a la China, will lead to a horrible dictatorial tyranny, so he just throws it out there without explanation as to what he would do about it.

    And he also ignores the increasing costs to a consumer’s electric bill which are about to hit every community which has been forced by government to get X percent of its power from renewables such as solar and wind. Power companies have invested billions to add renewables to their menu by government mandate, but they are all getting ready to request rate increases, which they will get, to pay for their capital investment. Guess who gets blasted the most by a 15-20% increase in their electric bill? The little guy.

  89. Actually, if the oil market wasn’t subsidized we already would be using cellulosic ethanol in our cars. Right now the only plant-based feed stock we can’t effectively hydrolyze are wood products, and things are getting more and more efficient all of the time.

    I’ve worked in two plants over the last few years, both two different approaches to the problem, and both of them showed great promise in ethanol production. One in the approach to the hydrolysis itself, and the other in their strain selection.

    Unfortunately I can’t link you guys data due to confidentiality agreements, but please believe me when I say that government intervention is what is completely screwing over our energy right now.

  90. SSS – you are so misinformed, god damn. After seeing the absolute beat down you took trying to defend the CIA, and yet you learned NOTHING, I can see that you are essentially hopeless.

    Despite that I’ll try to at least protect others from your dangerous, willful ignorance.

    Renewables are already as cheap or cheaper than coal, and way the fuck cheaper than nuclear.

    Wind energy and other renewables much cheaper than coal

    Coal prices have been going up and up for the past 2 decades and will continue to go up as long as the growthers are able to keep it all going. Utilities don’t care though because they almost always get to pass through the fuel costs 100% to the ratepayer. So right there you’ve got a fundamental disconnect between what is good for the utility and what is good for the ratepayer.

    The cost to build a nuke plant is at an all time high and still rising. The economics of nuclear simply do not work, even when you’ve go this ridiculous price-anderson act that protect the communist / anti-free market moronic utilities from paying for the insane damage that occurs when something goes wrong with a nuclear plant.

    The cost of renewables continues to drop despite the fact that the subsidies for coal, nuclear and oil are far larger than those for renewables. And despite the fact that what subsidies renewables do get are always under threat of being discontinued from one year to the next – very hard on the industry, yet they manage.

    You just flat out ignore the massive evidence of problems with nuclear plants NOW.

    You simply don’t want to face reality SSS. Instead you whine about the EDT timestamps and hope that the article titles I posted are bogus. You are so fearful or worse that you can’t even follow a fucking link to find out.

    As for endless population growth, maybe you’re unaware that healthy societies reach a stasis and quit growing endlessly? If we actually supported democracy and ended our War on (of) Terrorism and our War on Drugs, 3rd world populations would stabilize quickly.

    Of course as a former CIA terrorist yourself, you have done your part to keep 3rd world countries down, uneducated, out of control of their own destinies. So you have done your part to contribute to those countries pumping out babies at ridiculous rates.

    You think we’re so different from China? Again you reveal your myopic idiocy.

    The US is well on its way to fascism. Do you disagree?

    Which kabuki party do you root for? Did you like Bush fascism better than Obama fascism? Obama’s better at it – all rock star and charismatic while he signs the NDAA, massively increases drone-strikes, kills Americans without due process and claims its his right.

    Given the way you express yourself, I bet you like it better when the neocons are in charge of torture, war and gutting of the Constitution.

    It probably chaps your hide that a goddamned black man, a putative liberal no less, is better at fascism than Bush/Cheney.

    Did you check out a single god damned link I provided for you? Do you have ANY interest in a steady state economy?

    Do you fucking care that if spent fuel pool # 4 collapses it’s going to release the equivalent of 800 nuclear bombs worth of radiation AT ONCE?

    Gundersen: Move south of equator if Unit 4 fuel pool goes dry — Like cesium from all 800 nuclear bombs ever dropped on Earth, except all at once (VIDEO)
    Link for SSS:

    This next article is for jackasses like you SSS.

    Kyoto Nuclear Professor: “There is no longer any such thing as clean and safe food” after radiation from Fukushima spread around planet — People who advanced nuclear power should be made to eat the extremely contaminated items (VIDEO)

    Of course the “good” news is you already are, even here in the US of A!
    Radio: Studies showing cesium all the way down West Coast; Pine needles from So. California; Ground samples from Vancouver and Oregon — Not a lot, my biggest concern is bioaccumulation as it works up food chain (AUDIO)

    San Francisco Bay Area milk sample has highest amount of Cesium-137 since last June — Almost double EPA’s maximum contaminant level

  91. Wind turbines, hydro and solar cells aren’t that great hoss. Wind turbines do have a negative effect on the environment, hydro completely destroys entire ecosystems and comes with the added bonus of being almost completely played out and solar cells use a lot of materials we could be using for other purposes.

    I wonder if the US could pull its head out of its ass long enough to pop out viable Nuclear Fusion. All of that other shit is just playing for time. If we don’t come up with a REAL replacement for fossil fuels we are going to be SOL sooner rather than later.

  92. @ Flannel Sniffing

    Nice personal attack. After calling me a CIA terrorist, you forgot to play the Nazi card. What a mental midget. BTW, I’m a registered Libertarian and have a Ron Paul campaign sign in my den window facing the street. Surprised? Of course, you are, you supercilious fuckwad.

    You keep coming back to all these “We’re Doomed” stories about Fukushima. No one, including me, argues that Fukushima wasn’t a disaster – it was- and will require close attention for years to come, but I’m not buying all the speculation of what might happen. The fucking reactor at Chernobyl exploded, asshole, and fired off a nuclear radiation plume toward central Europe and Scandanavia. Yet the immediate and collateral damage remained largely local. The planet survived.

    But you finally showed your true colors when you posted that link to the pie-in-the-sky Cal Davis-Stanford transportation study, which I totally destroyed above. You have no concept or grasp of baseload electrical production and hang your hat on solar and wind as the wave of the future. Solar plants produce their peak design load maybe 33-40% of the time, tops. The BEST wind turbine farms will give you peak production 25-40% of the time, maybe. Both are backed by baseload plants.

    In your latest post, you sent me to a web site of the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA), which I’m sure all readers will agree is totally unbiased (how would you react if I posted a link to a pro-nuclear web site and told you to go to it, punk). The site claims that wind is cheaper than baseload power plants (coal, natural gas, nuclear, etc). How can you claim that when wind DOESN’T WORK 60-75% OF THE TIME? Absurd.

    But here’s the clincher of how Flannel Sniffing thinks when it comes to “proving” his point. The EWEA web site provided a calculator to let readers see how “cheap” wind power it. Here’s a direct quote on how to use the calculator:

    “Users can TYPE IN THEIR OWN ASSUMPTIONS on, for example, coal and gas prices, FUTURE CARBON COSTS, capital costs and availability.”

    In other words, you can just make shit up. Goddamn, does it get any dumber than that? Well, yes it does. Because dumbfuck Flannel Sniffing thinks this is legitimate methodology.

    So get the fuck out of my face, Butt Sniffer.

  93. It looks like the wise old spy of TBP is getting hot under the collar.


    Maybe some Lawrence Welk music will calm you down.

  94. From Mencken to truthdouches to a mighty fray over nukilar powers…..

    Yeah man… great fun

  95. Admin

    I administered a grotesque thrashing to Flannel Sniffing. Blood all over. That mentally diminutive dwarf won’t be showing his face around these parts for a long time, if ever. And if he does, he’d better be ready to slap leather.

    Through my sensitive sources, I was able to obtain this late breaking, actual photo of Butt Sniffer taken just this afternoon. His medical insurance company is planning to cancel his policy.


  96. My problem with nuclear power is the limited liability afforded to the industry due to the Price Anderson Act (I have no idea what the laws are in Japan or other countries). Let the power companies pay market insurance rates and then unregulate the entire industry, including the spent fuel issue. Even fucking Fukushima wouldn’t have been much of a big deal if not for all the spent fuel stored on site.

  97. Zara

    I say again. Yucca Mountain. We have 104 nuclear reactors in this country storing spent fuel on site. Yucca Mountain was designed to eventually store all that spent fuel in dry caskets safely (something Butt Sniffer never acknowledged), but politics shut down sound science.

    All due to the hysteria of Harry Reid, the mayor of Las Vegas, and Butt Sniffer.

  98. SSS, Another proposal was to dump it (presumably glassified) into the Marianas Trench and let plate techtonics and the earth’s mantle recycle it.

  99. @ ThePessimisticChemist

    I just thought of something.

    You said, “I’ve worked in two plants over the last few years, both two different approaches to the problem, and both of them showed great promise in ethanol production” when referring to your expertise with cellulostic ethanol. You also said you can’t go into details due to confidentiality agreements.

    Ok, let’s work with that. Setting aside your connections to propietary information, you have to have some information you can share which, in general terms, can add to our knowledge of bio mass energy production.

    While we all can google the subject, there’s nothing like hearing it from the horse’s mouth. And no, I’m not setting you up if you have concerns about my CIA background. I just want to know about what you think IN GENERAL about the future’s general trajectory about bio mass energy, particularly its potential as a major baseload producer.

  100. Some quick definitions for people:

    Cellulosic Ethanol: Taking plant matter (grass clippings, corn stalks/stover, silage) and breaking down the plant fibers into their component parts, such as cellulose (a long chain of sugars), hemicellulose (similar, and easier to break down), lignin (useless) and other compounds. This is then fed to microorganisms such as Saccharomyces cerevisiae which digest the sugars and produce ethanol as a byproduct. The ethanol is then removed and purified (methods varied) and then we can use it for fuel. I believe in the USA its 85% ethanol and we provide additives to keep people from drinking from the pump.

    Acid catalysis: Chemical process for breaking down the plant matter into its sugar components

    Enzymatic catalysis: Biological process for breaking down the plant matter into its sugar components

    I have only hands-on experience with the acid catalyzed cellulosic ethanol, however my current field crosses over with enzymatic ethanol pretty readily, indeed our R&D might accidentally turn out some products that our company can’t use, but we could easily license or just sell the patent.

    The last numbers I saw (2010) if gas were to eclipse $4 per gallon country-wide then cellulosic ethanol would be roughly tied with oil. That was then, I’m not sure what it is now. My boss could rattle the numbers off his head for you, but I’m still playing catch up.

    Before we go much further, here is some of the issues with cellulosic ethanol and ethanol in general:

    1) Ethanol yields less energy than gasoline. This means you need to burn more to go further.

    2) Different feed stocks provide different levels of sugars under current methods of production. Companies are trying to apply the same process to different feed stocks, and as of right now its not working too well. One gentleman I’ve worked with has a pretty brilliant system, he’s developing modular reactors tailored to different feed stocks.

    3) R&D: This stuff isn’t gas, we aren’t perfecting a known science, we are trailblazing a new one. In the age of quarterly reports, that means that investors won’t help out this science unless its more financially feasible. Corn ethanol gets its hand held because politicians from corn producing states understand “feed microbes corn, get fuel” but don’t understand the slightly more complicated method for cellulosic production.



    1) Renewable resource thats easily harvested and DOESN’T cut into world food production. In many cases its a by-product of said food production. For example, a farmer who harvests sweet corn could then sell the stover to a plant to use for ethanol production.

    One of the complaints I hear about this is that people think it ruins the soil, but they need not worry as the process leaves many plant proteins and other nitrogen containing compounds intact. After the sugars have been removed, the mash can be used as fertilizer.

    2) All natural. A few processes use concentrated acids, however proper neutralization steps remove this danger.

    3) Location: Plant biomass is everywhere. No need to build massive pipelines spanning countries. No need to transport massive amounts of fuel via cargo.

    We could remove our dependency upon oil almost completely over the course of the next 30-40 years.

    Please note, I mean oil as a source of fuel. Obviously we would continue to need it for development of polymer chemistry.

  101. TPC

    Ok, thanks. I note that biomass accounts for over half of the energy production in the “renewables” category (solar is a measly 1% and wind just 9%) and 4% of the total energy production in this country when the electrical power and transportation sectors are combined.

    So biomass is growing as a source of energy, but I strongly suspect this is mainly due to corn-based ethanol. We need to move in the direction of biomass energy in the technologies in which you are/were involved. Makes so much more sense.

  102. Its cheap, and effective.

    The only thing stopping me from making my own fuel is the fact that I live in an apartment.

    I’d love to buy a start up lab and run a comparison of acid vs. enzymatic catalyzed systems, utilizing different strains and new types of bacteria and fungi.

    After I get some experience under my belt, I might look up a certain PhD I did some contractual work for. He’s the chap with a modular system, and I really think it could take the US by storm with a little help.

  103. An entertaining read … HL would have loved it, the comments, I mean.

    especially “If we actually supported democracy and ended our War on (of) Terrorism and our War on Drugs, 3rd world populations would stabilize quickly. ” I laughed so hard on that one.

    And the invasion died down and the comments ended with a good dialogue, what’s not to like?


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