Happy 45th Anniversary Israel, for attacking an American ship and getting away with it. With allies like Israel, who needs enemies.
‘The USS Liberty’: America’s Most Shameful Secret
NEW YORK – On the fourth day of the 1967 Arab Israeli War, the intelligence ship ‘USS Liberty’ was steaming slowly in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai Peninsula. Israeli armored forces were racing deep into Sinai in hot pursuit of the retreating Egyptian army.
‘Liberty,’ a World War II freighter, had been converted into an intelligence vessel by the top-secret US National Security Agency, and packed with the latest signals and electronic interception equipment. The ship bristled with antennas and electronic ‘ears’ including TRSSCOMM, a system that delivered real-time intercepts to Washington by bouncing a stream of microwaves off the moon.
‘Liberty’ had been rushed to Sinai to monitor communications of the belligerents in the Third Arab Israeli War: Israel and her foes, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.
At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over ‘Liberty,’ which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship’s electronic antennas and dishes. The ‘Liberty’ was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle.
At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning ‘Liberty’ with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the ‘Liberty’ midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died.
Israeli gunboats circled the wounded ‘Liberty,’ firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.
An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. ‘prepare to repel borders.’ But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. ‘Liberty’ was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.
The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II.
Less than an hour after the attack, Israel told Washington its forces had committed a ‘tragic error.’ Later, Israel claimed it had mistaken ‘Liberty’ for an ancient Egyptian horse transport. US Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, and Joint Chiefs of Staff head, Admiral Thomas Moorer, insisted the Israeli attack was deliberate and designed to sink ‘Liberty.’ So did three CIA reports; one asserted Israel’s Defense Minister, Gen. Moshe Dayan, had personally ordered the attack.
In contrast to American outrage over North Korea’s assault on the intelligence ship ‘Pueblo,’ Iraq’s mistaken missile strike on the USS ‘Stark,’ last fall’s bombing of the USS ‘Cole’ in Aden, and the recent US-China air incident, the savaging of ‘Liberty’ was quickly hushed up by President Lyndon Johnson and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara.
The White House and Congress immediately accepted Israel’s explanation and let the matter drop. Israel later paid a token reparation of US $6 million. There were reports two Israeli pilots who had refused to attack ‘Liberty’ were jailed for 18 years.
Surviving ‘Liberty’ crew members would not be silenced. They kept demanding an open inquiry and tried to tell their story of deliberate attack to the media. Israel’s government worked behind the scenes to thwart these efforts, going so far as having American pro-Israel groups accuse ‘Liberty’s’ survivors of being ‘anti-Semites’ and ‘Israel-haters.’ Major TV networks cancelled interviews with the crew. A book about the ‘Liberty’ by crewman James Ennes’ was dropped from distribution. The Israel lobby branded him ‘an Arab propagandist.’
The attack on ‘Liberty’ was fading into obscurity until last week, when intelligence expert James Bamford came out with Body of Secrets, his latest book about the National Security Agency. In a stunning revelation, Bamford writes that unknown to Israel, a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft was flying high overhead the ‘Liberty,’ electronically recorded the attack. The US aircraft crew provides evidence that the Israeli pilots knew full well that they were attacking a US Navy ship flying the American flag.
Why did Israel try to sink a naval vessel of its benefactor and ally? Most likely because ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts flatly contradicted Israel’s claim, made at the war’s beginning on 5 June, that Egypt had attacked Israel, and that Israel’s massive air assault on three Arab nations was in retaliation. In fact, Israel began the war by a devastating, Pearl-Harbor style surprise attack that caught the Arabs in bed and destroyed their entire air forces.
Israel was also preparing to attack Syria to seize its strategic Golan Heights. Washington warned Israel not to invade Syria, which had remained inactive while Israel fought Egypt. Bamford says Israel’s offensive against Syria was abruptly postponed when ‘Liberty’ appeared off Sinai, then launched once it was knocked out of action. Israel’s claim that Syria had attacked it could have been disproved by ‘Liberty.’
Most significant, ‘Liberty’s’ intercepts may have shown that Israel seized upon sharply rising Arab-Israeli tensions in May-June 1967 to launch a long-planned war to invade and annex the West Bank, Jerusalem, Golan and Sinai.
Far more shocking was Washington’s response. Writes Bamford: ‘Despite the overwhelming evidence that Israel attacked the ship and killed American servicemen deliberately, the Johnson Administration and Congress covered up the entire incident.’ Why?
Domestic politics. Johnson, a man never noted for high moral values, preferred to cover up the attack rather than anger a key constituency and major financial backer of the Democratic Party. Congress was even less eager to touch this ‘third rail’ issue.
Commander McGonagle was quietly awarded the Medal of Honor for his and his men’s heroism – not in the White House, as is usual, but in an obscure ceremony at the Washington Navy Yard. Crew member’s graves were inscribed, ‘died in the Eastern Mediterranean..’ as if they had be killed by disease, rather than hostile action.
A member of President Johnson’s staff believed there was a more complex reason for the cover-up: Johnson offered Jewish liberals unconditional backing of Israel, and a cover-up of the ‘Liberty’ attack, in exchange for the liberal toning down their strident criticism of his policies in the then raging Vietnam War.
Israel, which claims it fought a war of self defense in 1967 and had no prior territorial ambitions, will be much displeased by Bamford’s revelations. Those who believe Israel illegally occupies the West Bank and Golan will be emboldened.
Much more important, the US government’s long, disgraceful cover-up of the premeditated attack on ‘Liberty’ has now burst into the open and demands full-scale investigation. After 34 years, the voices of ‘Liberty’s’ dead and wounded seamen must finally be heard.
Johnson cements himself as the worst President in our history.
Trade with all, entangling alliances with none!
And the sheeple laugh at me when I tell them that Israel is evil in every way.
Always remember that with Jews it it always Jews first, then family, then Goya/Goyum. (Google it, dumbass.)
Jews are the most racist pricks, bar none, on the planet.
TG, careful. A nice Jewish American wrote the article!
Tampon Gold – don’t be a fuckwit. You are smarter than that. Maybe get a bit of historical perspective before you shoot your mouth off. Like maybe think about why a people that was killed off in their millions in WWII, persecuted for millennia and denied access to a whole range of professions and trades and who had to resort to professions deemed evil (ie money lending at interest) to survive, who are surrounded on all sides by enemies that want them eradicated, would behave a little aggressively to protect their personal and national interests. Turning the other cheek just about got them wiped off the face of the planet. They fight or they die.
Compared to the US – Iraq/Afghanistan/et al – they are saints.
BTW – the fucking orientals are the most racist pricks on the planet. Get a clue.
Llpoh, bullshit. Israel is our greatest enemy. We will never have liberty in this country until that evil, ethnic cleansing, apartheid regime is excised from this country in every way. Fuck them. Next war I’ll be rooting for the arabs (or persians).
Z – sometimes you are reasonable. Your anti-semitism is not endearing. You know nothing about this stuff, Israel is no ones greatest enemy. Ethnic cleansing perhaps to an extent has occurred,but it is a Jewish state, and no way in hell will they give it up without a fight. What happened to the Palestinians is an abomination, but their Arab brothers have done nothing to help – quite the contrary. However, a quarter of Israel’s population is Arab, so it really isn’t quite the case that they have cleansed Israel of Arabs. The Arabs know how to ethnic cleanse, but they tend to be a bit more permanent about things. Ask the Kurds. Don’t be such a dimwit. Seriously. It is beneath you.
I do not have time to give you a history lesson,but suffice it to say I have forgotten more about the history of the Jews and Israel than you know. Context is everything. And if you were part of a people that was nearly eradicated 65 years ago, you would tend to be a little touchy about things.
But of course I expect you to be a holocaust denier given your obvious anti-semitism.
I reject all forms of collectivism including “antisemitism.” I also stand behind every word I wrote. Antisemitism (which technically doesn’t even exist because the word semitic describes a language group and not an ethnicity) is an epithet that zionists and neocons pin on those who would expose or otherwise criticize Israel’s crimes.
Z – what a rock of shit. You toss out “ethic cleansing”,which is bullshit and unsubstantiated but Want to argue about the definition of anti- Semite, which is clearly defined if you want to have a look. I am starting to think you are an ignoramus. You just toss out antisemitic jargon that has no basis in fact. “Israel is our enemy” you say. What a stinking pile of shit. You need some facts, but none will be forthcoming. “ethnic cleansing” you say, but I have blown that shit up with fact. I guess you also do not know what apartheid is, so I suggest you look that up, too.
Fact is, you know nada. You do not even understand the meaning of the words you use. It is pure anti semitism. Of course, you prefer to object to the word, and create your own definition.
Seriously, you are way out of your depth. I spent years studying this shit. I am noton the Israelis side,but I understand it. I am not on the Palestinians side, but I understand it too.
Israel is working I what it perceives to be its national interest. The US needs to stay the fuck out of the middle east and let them sort it out themselves.
But to characterize Israel as evil is just plain ignorant.
Seriously, Z, you are bringing a knife to a gun fight. I have read tens of thousands of pages on this shit, I kid you not. And I tend to make sure I know the definitions of terms I use before I use them. But that is just me. I guess you prefer to make up definitions as you go. Good luck with that.
Llpoh, splain this, oh wise one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X63CQ-dXkwU
Then there are the ties of Mossad to JFK’s assassination: http://www.rense.com/general42/enemies.htm
Toss in Jonathon Pollard (who they are pressuring us to release) and this
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.htm
I could go on and on. If you don’t think the Iraq war was mainly about Israel then you are just naive.
Plus what they are doing TODAY in the West Bank is evil…destroying homes without even allowing the inhabitants to remove their possessions…cutting down olive trees, destroying wells…its equally as bad as anything the Nazis did prior to the holocaust.
Creating by force of arms a secular jewish state in the middle east was a horrible idea and many jews agree with me on this. It can not last forever and it’s denouement will be a very nasty affair.
DPathustra, DPs buddy:
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The shit bag’s a piece of work, llpoh.
I b lol’n too.
Colma – I can’t believe folks haven’t piled on. Damn, that was some funny stuff. Admin”s right, we need a 9-11 thread. The nutjobs will surely expose themselves.
Nothing to pile on here. You haven’t offered shit in the way of facts and I never said that Mossad did 9/11. I posted evidence that they had foreknowledge and didn’t tell us (putting the best possible spin on it.
PS, “Bwahaha” is not an argument.
PSS, I am not DP. Admin can set you straight about that.
PSSS, I win.
Weekends get slooooow.
Maybe it’ll gain a little momentum if flash bombards with some cut n’ paste…
Folks haven’t pile on because talking about Israel is about as exciting, as, well….
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DP – you have as much chance of winning as the French do against the Germans. Talks a good game but inthe end you are just this:
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Im not even going to discuss enemies because I think America should hold no nation above another.
Lead by example.
Llpoh, Getting back on topic, the USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by Israel. Yes or No?
How the fuck would I know? It seems clear it was attacked by Israel. Not out of the question it was done intentionally,but I tend to look at things like why would Israel take such a risk? They would need a helluva powerful reason. Don’t know what that would be. But as a juxtaposing, how many times has the US attacked foreign “friendly” nations? See drone strikes onPakistan,for instance. It happens.
This is the most informative site on the attack that I have found. http://gtr5.com/
….the USS Liberty was deliberately attacked by Israel. Yes or No? -Z
I dont think that is provable one way or the other. We might as well argue over the Kennedy bullet or the faked man on moon videos.
Jus sayin…
But I still think Ann Coulter is a man,
KB, that it was a combined attack by fighters, bombers and torpedo boats after hours of aerial obervation pretty much nails it. The USS Liberty was obviously a WW2 Victory class ship modifed for other uses. It is simply not possible to confuse it for an eqyptian cargo vessel.
As for the why, I have read three reasons, any or all of which could be true.
1) To cover up evidence that they were the aggressor in the war.
2) To cover up evidence of war crimes committed against eqyptian prisoners of war.
3) To draw us into the war, if the Liberty were lost with all hands and the attack could be blamed on the Egyptians.
KB, that it was a combined attack by fighters, bombers and torpedo boats after hours of aerial obervation pretty much nails it -Z
Of course fighters and bombers attacked it. Its what an attack is. Attacks are deliberate. I am Personally.
Was it a false flag?
Was it a botched operation? Operational confusion?
I dunno. But since you made the claim, and I am old and tired, to your benefit, I will leave it to you to prove to me that what you espouse is indeed fact.
KB, This report was submitted to the Secretary of the Army by the USS Liberty Veterans Association. You decide.
http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf
My quote of the day:
“The failure of the United States government to undertake a complete investigation
of the Israeli attack on USS Liberty has resulted in grievous harm to the surviving victims,
as well as to the families of all crewmembers. Equally serious, this failure has resulted
in an indelible stain upon the honor of the United States of America. It has sent a
signal to America’s serving men and women that their welfare is always subordinate to
the interests of a foreign state. The only conceivable reason for this failure is the political
decision to put the interests of Israel ahead of those of American servicemen, employees,
and veterans.”
USS Liberty Veterans Association, Inc.
Just for kicks, another quote of the day.
“Israel is wonderful.” Ben Stein
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BTW how was America made – when the European settlers came, the native Indians said – “Please come and set up your nation with all your laws and culture. We will make space for you.
You have to accept that new nations are formed at times at the expense of older ones. Israel did not do anything much different.
S Varghese, I have decided to be polite, for now. The United States didn’t survive by becoming a parasite on a foreign nation through using the immense financial resources of its supporters to corrupt the politics of the host country.
PS, Fuck you.
Great stuff all. In my humble opinion, we are as harmful to Israel as they are to us. Stay out of their business, cut the fiat line, and let ’em have fun over there.
Zarathustra – I have decided to be polite not only now, but always. Anyway that is my way and I don’t want to change.
You did not refute what I wrote.
Anyway coming to your point about the Israeli lobby in the US. Come on – I cannot believe that the greatest superpower in the history of the world with a population of 300 million is giving in to Israel because of a few thousand people who support Israel. As much as is Israel benefited, I think it is in the interests of US to support Israel. I don’t know what those interests are, but those interests could be sinister in nature.
S Varghese, you don’t have to corrupt or intimidate 300 million plus americans, just 435 members of the house of representatives plus 100 senators. AIPAC and its minions accomplished this years ago.
AIPAC is a terrorist organization if there ever was one. AQ ain’t got shit on AIPAC.
Loopy baffles Zara with his brilliance….. but after 9 post doesn’t have time to even link to his vast store of facts.
I am in complete awe!
Loppy- I do not have time to give you a history lesson,but suffice it to say I have forgotten more about the history of the Jews and Israel than you know.
Seriously, you are way out of your depth. I spent years studying this shit.
Seriously, Z, you are bringing a knife to a gun fight. I have read tens of thousands of pages on this shit, I kid you not.
You need some facts, but none will be forthcoming. “ethnic cleansing” you say, but I have blown that shit up with fact.
I am pissing my pants laughing. Man, you are funny. Cutting down olive trees is some seriously evil shit – those evil Israelis need robe stopped at once! Hahahaha!
DP – you have as much chance of winning as the French do against the Germans. Talks a good game but inthe end you are just this:
Colma – I can’t believe folks haven’t piled on. Damn, that was some funny stuff.
How the fuck would I know?
Can anyone outside of Hollywood actually believe that other races of people ,beside the Jooze throughout history been systemically murdered ?
Be on guard…that Loopy is one sharp blade…
Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Primary Megadeaths of the Twentieth Century
http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm
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Flash you dumbshit – deporting illegals is a national pass time in a lot of countries. Onlyyoucan turn it into ethnic cleansing. Bah.
This excellent piece was originally published in the Toronto Sun, a paper which Mr Margolis wrote for– is located in Canada, his home country…back in April 2001 and has only minimally been updated. Many words have already been posted on this and other accounts concerning the LIBERTY and the Israeli attack on her and those who left her to sink..like the fleet commander who happened to be john mccain’s father Admiral McCain who called back the defensive fighters. The Admirals who decided that the survivors who lived to tell about that attack were sworn to secrecy or face the brig for life. The Congress and others who bypassed a genuine investigation into the attack and US msm which failed to reveal this attack until ? 2009 when Chicago Tribune actually publshed a full account of the incident. It has been white-washed with few exceptions and the Commander who should have received his service medal in the White House Rose Garden as other heros did, was hidden behind semis in the Naval shipyard in private ceremony. He was buried in Arlington with no mention of this event on his Headstone. I recommend the reading of “What I saw that day” or any of the half dozen or more books written by several survivors. NB to FLASH…not sure if your links include the 10 MILLION Congolese who were murdered by Belgium’s King Leopold in the 1800s…but like others I am not interested in the never ending whining of those who have power and access to power like no other minority in this country..about their right to being the “ultimate victim” whilst they support the abuse, oppression, ghetto-izing, starving, segregating, imprisoning and killing of occupied Palestinians…which is absolutely unequivocally parallel to what Nazis did. Israelis are the neoNazis of the 21st century..aligned with such as EDL (English Defense League ) and other racist crazies such as Andres Breivik who gained support and information from his internet friends, Pam Geller, Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes, who he quoted extensively in his 1500 page manuscript prior to murdering 77 young activist campers. REMEMBER..