TROUBLE IN SOCK CITY

Hold onto your socks, it’s going to be a bumpy ride. It really isn’t as complicated as the morons and numbskulls in the MSM and government want you to believe. It’s simply the boom and bust cycle playing out as it has done for centuries. The average American is significantly poorer than they were in 2005. Their net worth has plummeted. If they’ve stayed employed, their real wages have declined. Millions have lost their jobs and are either unemployed or under-employed.

Americans buying cheap shit produced in China, using credit, was what made the world go round. Well guess what? When Americans were forced to scale back on buying shit, the rest of  the world got kicked in the balls. Anyone who thinks the Chinese economy will keep chugging along without Americans and Europeans buying their socks, toxic dog food and rubber dog shit, is living a dream.

China has hit the proverbial wall at 100 mph. The casualties are many. The government will keep reporting fake economic numbers and the U.S. MSM will dutifully report them with a straight face. This will continue until this sand castle of hope, built on a foundation of socks, crumbles into the hamper of history.

So Solly. 

 

Sock City’s decline may reveal an unravelling in China’s economy

The hosiery business has been good to the entrepreneurs of Datang, who rode out the 2008 crisis and recovered. But now business is slowing again – and experts fear that may presage a hard landing for the whole country

WORKER AT SOCKS FACTORY

A worker at a sock factory in Yiwu, China. But after years of brisk business, Zhejiang province is now facing an economic slowdown. Photograph: Eugene Hoshiko/AP

The foolish man built his house upon sand; the wise man built his house on a rock. The ambitious entrepreneurs of Datang chose a sturdy nylon and wool foundation. “People always need socks,” points out Xu Leile, whose company clothes the feet of the British and US armies, European hikers and pampered pet dogs.

Thanks to Xu and hundreds more like him, “Sock City” – north-west of Tie Town, east of Sweater Town – epitomised China‘s economic success story. The obscure settlement in eastern Zhejiang province became an export-driven boomtown, producing as much as a third of the world’s sock supply and thriving even through the financial crisis in 2008 and the subsequent global recession.

Last year, Datang made roughly two pairs of socks for every person on earth. Long and short, Argyle or polka-dotted, they cram the stores of the nearby wholesale market. In Xu’s spacious new factory, the shelves are stacked with huge reels of red, blue and orange thread. But ask Xu about the future and he grimaces. “I’m very worried. This year is much worse than 2008-9,” he says.

The biggest of his rivals to have gone under in May – the Anli Sock Group, which produced 60m pairs of socks annually – could prove to be “the Lehman Brothers of Datang”, according to Fan Jianping, chief economist of the State Information Centre.

Failures such as Anli’s and a slew of disappointing data in recent weeks are raising fears far beyond China that a slowdown in the world’s second largest economy is turning into a hard landing. In the face of Europe’s woes and the weak US recovery, Chinese growth has become more important than ever: the ripples are already being felt globally, with commodities analysts blaming tumbling prices on falling demand from China.

The country’s premier, Wen Jiabao, has issued repeated warnings about the economy, saying growth is under pressure and exports need support. Last week’s announcement of approval for infrastructure projects, which some estimate to be worth 1tn yuan (£99bn), appears to be an indication of just how alarmed authorities have become about the largely investment-driven economy.

Until now, they have taken a series of milder measures, such as cutting the reserve ratio requirement and reducing interest rates, mindful of the painful hangover that resulted from the huge 4tn yuan stimulus they adopted to stave off the last crisis. That inflated property prices again and left a legacy of massive local government debt and questionable loans and infrastructure projects.

China’s economy saw second-quarter growth of 7.6% year-on-year: enviable to US or European eyes, but the lowest rate in three years, and the sixth straight quarter of slowing growth. Export growth slid to 1% in July – the lowest rate for three years, bar January, which was skewed by the lunar New Year holiday – and earlier this week, the official factory purchasing managers’ index fell to 49.2 – the first time since November that it had dropped below the 50 barrier separating expansion from contraction.

“We should be very worried,” says Anne Stevenson-Yang, co-founder of Beijing-based J Capital Research. “The economy has been in a hard landing since the fourth quarter of last year, but seems to have been helped by the consumer economy … That’s now down as well.”

Most analysts are more optimistic, at least for now. While growth has fallen from a peak of 11.9% in the first quarter of 2010, when there were concerns about overheating, the decline is far less steep than last time, when it plummeted from a peak of 14.8% in the second quarter of 2007 to a low of 6.6% in early 2009.

But Alistair Thornton of IHS Global Insight warns: “More of the indicators we are looking at are showing strain and weakness. It’s nowhere near what we were looking at four years ago, but nonetheless pretty ugly.

“There are huge stockpiles of coal at Qinhuangdao; steel factories in Hebei are over capacity; in retail, auto dealers have two, three, four months’ more stock than they are used to.”

Cranes still tower over construction sites, but no one is working in them, says Yu Wankun, the sales manager for SANY Excavators in Jiangsu, the neighbouring province to Zhejiang.

“I feel like a blossoming summer has suddenly turned into a dull winter,” he laments. “In 2008, we didn’t feel the crisis at all. This year, we do feel the crisis has really struck. The government’s stimulus created a bubble. But many local governments are in debt now and the central government’s financial support has stopped.”

The knock-on effects hit people hard when exports started falling in May, says Xiao Zhou, boss of another Datang firm. “A lot of sock companies started doing real estate in Jiangsu – they went bust because of the property market, not because of sales,” he says.

Back in the sock factory, Xu says 73 clothing firms have gone under this year, with some leaving behind debts of billions of yuan. Things have not been so bad since 2003, when foreign buyers stayed away because of the Sars crisis. Usually Xu goes to the US once a year; this time, he has made three trips – but one major customer halved its usual $5m order anyway. Sales to civilian customers are down by at least a fifth.

It is a sign of the times that his firm, Huazhong, considers the boom in sales to the Syrian army as a rare bright spot. “Last year they bought 870,000 pairs. This year it’s 960,000 already,” he says. Few might imagine that camouflage or khaki ribbed socks came in so many varieties, but French, Singaporean and Saudi Arabian soldiers have proved exacting customers.

But Datang also has its strengths. Smart entrepreneurs have moved away from piling high and selling cheap to targeting foreigners. Xu decided early on to focus on high-quality products and military sales, which he hoped would prove more stable and more lucrative. Though his company has dabbled in producing woolly hats, lacy tights and dog booties, Xu’s latest target is the medical market, with products such as support stockings. Others in Datang have focused on domestic consumers or sought new markets in rival developing countries.

The rise in Chinese purchases and the increase in trade to the Middle East should also help to offset problems elsewhere, says Hou Zhiping, general manager of the city’s hosiery market.

So far, there is little sign of rising unemployment – admittedly a trailing indicator – which might fuel fears of social unrest. At the labour market in nearby Yiwu, a recruiter for the Xialaite sock company grumbled about the difficulties of finding enough employees.

Geoff Crothall of China Labour Bulletin, a Hong Kong-based group supporting mainland workers, says there have been noticeably more layoffs than last year, especially in Zhejiang and Guangdong, “but nothing like 2008-9, when 20m workers were laid off … I don’t think there’s a huge number of unemployed migrant workers wandering around.”

Recruiters in those provinces had previously complained of severe labour shortages, he points out, and opportunities in migrants’ home provinces have improved: “Recently it was reported that, for the first time, there were more rural labourers from Sichuan working within the province than outside it.”

Beijing’s push to develop inland areas has also had some success, as Crothall points out: while Zhejiang’s economy grew 5.2% in the first half of 2012, down from 12.1% in the same period last year, western areas like Sichuan, Chongqing, Shaanxi and Guizhou all saw rates of above 16%, according to official figures.

But growth is now slowing in those regions, too – and because their economies are so much smaller, they have less effect on the overall situation. “You would have to triple Xinjiang’s economy to have an impact on the national picture … If you can’t fix Guangdong, you can’t fix China,” says Thornton.

Yet, says Patrick Chovanec of Tsinghua University’s School of Economics and Management, the outlook is not uniformly negative: “This is an economic adjustment and, in the long run, will be good for China and the world, but it doesn’t mean it won’t be painful.”

Officials and analysts have long warned that the Chinese economy is unsustainable; that the years of double-digit growth were fuelled by investment and exports, and that rebalancing and reform were desperately needed.

A powerful editorial in Caixin, the country’s most influential business magazine, raised fears that local governments were ignoring the centre’s cautious approach and instead attempting another major stimulus that would crowd out smaller private enterprises, deter competition and increase distortions in the system.

Continuing to pursue high-speed growth, fuelled by government investment, will mean that “growth will fall; discrimination will become pervasive, and rent-seeking and corruption rampant; our society and environment will be pushed to their limits; and development cannot be sustained. The mass protests, riots and environmental disasters we have seen are just some of the consequences of this distorting growth model. They are a warning,” it said.

“If we continue to hanker for economic ‘miracles’, we must be prepared to pay a high price in future.”

 

Additional research by Cecily Huang and Kathy Gao

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Stucky
Stucky
September 9, 2012 11:23 am

One would think there’s a non-stop constant demand for Chinese socks …. seeing how they last three weeks, maybe four … before they fall apart.

Fuck Chinese Shit.

Stucky
Stucky
September 9, 2012 11:37 am

The article did give me ideas for Christmas. I am so hard … to shop for.

I want a Peter Heater. Cock Sock. Willy Warmer. Ball Shawl. Cock Cozy. A Man Mitt.

I’ll need The Texan.
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Get Admin The Shorty. (He’s Irish)
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Get this one for Zara
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Welshman
Welshman
September 9, 2012 12:15 pm

Admin.,

Nicer said, “the hamper of hisltory”.

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
September 9, 2012 12:37 pm

For the past few years I have been trying to buy more and more socks that are made in the USA.

I find lots of nice (ladie’s) socks… wool and wool blends, organic cotton, eco blends.

There are great men’s and kid’s socks too.

Here are some sources: http://www.americansworking.com/socks.html

How about we put our money where our mouth is and support American workers?????

Hope@ZeroKelvin
Hope@ZeroKelvin
September 9, 2012 1:50 pm

Gosh, I guess we have reached Peak Sock.

efarmer
efarmer
September 9, 2012 3:13 pm

Maddie’s Mom,

Thanks for the sock link. Fox River is rather close to me.

BTW, was it you who turned me on to WTSO? Can’t remember if it was you or Mary Malone, but they are my new wine supplier.

EF

AWD
AWD
September 9, 2012 4:15 pm

Only Stucky could find cock socks. Nice.

I’ll channel Smokey, since he’s ill and can’t defend his beloved China.

“I’d rather swill your daddy’s baby batter than bet against China. Does this slowdown mean we’re going to get our 30,000,000 jobs back? Does this mean people are going to quit shopping at Wal Mart, 38% of which are using their SNAP cards, Welfare and disability money to buy Chinese crap? Does this mean people are gonna start buying “made in America” products? No, because nothing is made in America anymore.

Does this mean the Department of Defense is going to start making “critical” defense equipment replacement parts, circuit boards, screens, and other essential items themselves, instead of China, the only place that makes them now? Does this mean rare earth elements, 89% of which are found in China, are suddenly going to start showing up in the U.S. magically?

Does this mean 1.5 billion people, the equivalent of slaves, are suddenly going to quit working and get on disability, welfare, unemployment? No, the Chinese are statistics, state-run capitalists, not socialists or communists like here.

No matter what happens to the Chinese economy or stock market, they already wiped us out, and their currency is going to become the new and improved “world reserve” currency. It’s happening already. They don’t really need our or European money any longer, and they sure don’t need our debt anymore. The 21st century belongs to the Chinese.

It’d be easier to jack off a cougar in a phone booth with barbed wire than beat China. They already won. Game over. Start stocking up on Yuan, you’ll need it to buy gas and, well, everything in the future.”

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
September 9, 2012 5:02 pm

efarmer,

You’re welcome!

Yes, it must’ve been Mary Malone with the wine tip.

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
September 9, 2012 5:08 pm

Admin,

hahahaha!!!

Maddie doesn’t “eat” them, but she is a sock thief extraordinaire!

AWD
AWD
September 9, 2012 5:58 pm

Socks

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Stucky
Stucky
September 9, 2012 6:26 pm

AWD

Not one of Smokey’s more intelligent posts. China won?? Bullshit.

llpoh
llpoh
September 9, 2012 6:45 pm

Stuck – of course China won. You think who else won?

The article says, for what it is worth, the following – Chinese GDP growing at 7%+ per year, still. Export growth of 4% per year. Can these figures be believed? Hell no. Who knows what the actual figures are. But they are still a mile in front of anything the western world is doing.

China has kicked ass and taken names. What part of Smokey’s post was wrong? Any part you want to point out? Are the jobs coming back? No. Are people going to start buying US made instead of Chinese? No. Etc.

He was somewhat wrong about rare earths, but other than that he was absolutely correct.

I know everyone wants to see the Chinese hit a speed bumb – which they may relatively speaking. They will hit a speed bumb, perhaps, but the rest of the world is going head-on into a wall.

Ron
Ron
September 9, 2012 6:56 pm

Really i wonder what effect china would have on us?They hold a lot of our IOU,S. I could live without walmart. Im sick of shoes and clothes that dont last. Mabe China should have jobs for Chinese,where it improves theyre country and make it so the workers can afford what they are making. And the USA should do so to.

Stucky
Stucky
September 9, 2012 7:10 pm

llpoh

China ALREADY wiped us out, said Smokey. I believe that’s not true.

Too tired to get into it tonight. You see China as practically invincible. You see mostly the positives, and minimize, if not ignore, the negatives.

I heard the SAME bullshit in the late 70’s and 80’s regarding Japan. Every week there was a new book/article/study on the Japanese century. It was bullshit then, it’s bullshit now.

AWD
AWD
September 9, 2012 7:18 pm

Stuck,

Listen to Lipoh. We’re $16 trillion in debt, $300 trillion in unfunded liabilities and promises made by criminal politicians. More auto parts are made in China than in the U.S. now. China buys more oil from Saudi Arabia than the U.S. The Chinese quit buying our T-bills, and instead are buying gold by the ton. They’re buying hard assets to get rid of their U.S. dollars before they become worthless, mines, real estate all over the U.S. and Europe, oil production, minerals, iron. They own most of Africa already, much of S. America, they’re buying up huge swaths of Australia. I get tired of presenting all this information. Nobody cares or is paying attention. That’s one reason I liked Smokey, he schooled me on China, which isn’t easy.

Stucky
Stucky
September 9, 2012 7:59 pm

AWD

Thanks for the summary.

The problem for an export economy … you’re in deep shit when no one buys your stuff, or severely curtails purchases. Germany, another export economy, is experiencing economic problems. Maybe the Chinese will buy their own shot, but that seems unlikely.

I am the opposite of llpoh, Smokey, and you. I see the positives, I see the negatives, and I think the negatives outweigh the positives. But, in the end we’re all guessing.

The entire Western Hemisphere, plus the populations of France and Germany crammed in an area the size of the USA. That spells trouble in terms of dwindling resources needed; oil, food, water. Minor stuff.

Us doomers here are quick to point out how fucked the USA is when the oil shortage hits … but somehow China will prosper? Yeah, right.

llpoh
llpoh
September 9, 2012 8:30 pm

AWD – nice summary. Right you are. I tried to explain about China buying up the world the other day, but to no success.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
September 9, 2012 11:11 pm

I’ve been trying to by more of ANYTHING made in the USA. Good luck with that, and failing that, I at least try to buy locally traded used stuff, which at least keeps the money in the community (for a while), reduces waste, and saves me hundreds of dollars vs. buying new.

But that is all out of the questions for many items that it is unwise or just plain gross, to buy used, such as really personal clothing, or electronics- don’t get me started on my misadventure with a used Gateway laptop, years ago.

It’s also out of the question for products which are made here, but are so absolutely, completely uncompetitive with comparable products from abroad that buying them is an act of charity pure and simple…. and when I’m dispensing alms, I will prefer to bestow them on a more deserving beneficiary than a greedy, complacent, uncompetitive corporation whose executives would rather spend their profits on mega-mansions and yachts than on R&D, while wrapping themselves in the American flag in an effort to lay a guilt trip on consumers for preferring a product that costs half as much and performs twice as well.

The few companies left actually manufacturing things like appliances need to take a look at their competitor’s products and ask themselves if they themselves would buy these things at retail. A prime example is Speed Queen, the famous laundry equipment maker. I’m in the market for an apartment-sized, portable washer/dryer set, and need one that runs on 120 V and is as reasonably priced as possible. Well, Speed Queen makes a stacked set that costs $1800 and needs a 220 V connection, while the German company Haier offers a washer/dryer combination in one machine priced $800-$900 that runs on 120V and consumes less water, power, and space. I mean, do I even really have a choice here?

We might be able to blame American workers’ unwillingness to drop to 3rd world living standards for the loss of our jobs to China, but last I heard, Germany and the Scandinavian countries were not low-wage hellholes. In fact, workers in Germany and the northern countries are the best-paid and most cosseted in the world. But it is also a fact that while American executives commonly “earn” 500X the wages of the average worker, in Europe and Japan the ratio is more like 50 or 60X.

Only when our leading elites realize that their own long-term survival depends upon their own competitiveness and willingness to make the necessary tradeoffs, such as foregoing multi-million dollar bonuses to put more money into product development, and just plain offering more value for the money, will we begin to recover our competitive edge. Perhaps companies would gain by training promising candidates themselves, instead of relying upon a dysfunctional “for profit” educational system to produce the workers they need, and then complaining about the dearth of people with the specific skills they need. In former times, most American companies invested heavily in training their own workers to their specific needs, and employees worked their way up from the shop floor or lower level clerical jobs.

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 9, 2012 11:51 pm

Chicago – nice rant. Too bad you do not understand what is really going on. For instance, average US wage = 54,450. Germany = 40,223. The discrepancy gets much, much worse after tax.

And what incentive do companies have to train people when they can get pre-trained folks for far less in Korea, China, etc? Multi-million dollar bonuses are a drop in the ocean vis a vis R+D expenses. Do execs make too much? Sure. But transfering the excess to R+D will make little difference.

You said “and when I’m dispensing alms, I will prefer to bestow them on a more deserving beneficiary than a greedy, complacent, uncompetitive corporation whose executives would rather spend their profits on mega-mansions and yachts than on R&D”. There is much there that is insulting and just plain wrong.

Take a look at what major corps spend on R+D then comment, will you? Also, take socks for instance – you may not be able to find any US made socks, but if you can, it is almost 100% certain they are made by a struggling small textile firm that isn’t in any way like what you describe.

Why should corps be responsible for educating/training people? The government spends hundreds of billions on this – and fails. So your answer is to transfer the responsibility to corporations. Corporations that are leaving in droves due to the high-cost base of the US. What is this “for profit” educational system to which you refer?

You say that execs “commonly” earn 500 x that of the worker – you are full of shit. Common my ass. That is not “common”. It happens, but it sure as hell isn’t common. The average S+P 500 CEO makes $12 million, and that is heavily skewed by those at the very top. And if you are running a S+P 500, you definitely deserve millions – not perhaps $20 million, but millions. And do you think that cutting their average pay to say $5 million, and freeing up an additional $7 million for R+D will change anything? That is just plain stupid.

In “former times”, say 40 years ago when there was much more manufacturing, manufacturing workers did not need the skills they need today. Any HS dropout could be trained. Also, the quality systems did not exist that require higher skills, there was little automation, the EPA and OSHA regs were far reduced, etc. Merely trying to manufacture in that environment requires better skilled manufacturing employees. The companies did not “invest heavily” as such investment was not so much needed. The exception was of course tradesmen, such as toolmakers and such.

There are a lot of issues with US manufacturing, but they greatest ills lie not with the corps, but with the government and all the regs, and the govt ability to be influenced by lobbyisyts.

The countries you mention in Europe as doing well have specific reasons why – Germany for instance was on the same downward trajectory as the US until Eastern Europe opened up, and the Germans developed a market by loaning those nations money to buy German goods. Nice gig if you can get it. Their labor, in case you missed it, is cheaper than that in the US.

Seriously, Chicago, you really do not understand what is going on.

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 9, 2012 11:56 pm

One more thing – as a rule it is a DISASTER to promote folks from the shop floor into management. Taking the best shop floor person and make him a manager implements the Peter Principle, where people rise to their level of incompetency. There is little or nothing that shop floor folks can learn that will help them in management. Management is a professional skill set, and does not magically transfer itself to the best shop flor employees. It takes years of eductation, experience, and inate talent to become a good manufacturing manager, and shop floor isn’t going to provide the skills and experience needed, nor will you tend to find the natural talent required there.

Seriously, Chicago, every point you made was wrong and showed a complete lack of understanding of manufacturing.

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 10, 2012 12:10 am

There were 32 – count them – 32 CEOs – who made 500 times the average US wage last year. Sure is common.

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 10, 2012 12:15 am

There were way more athletes that made more than $27 million than there are CEOs. And they do exactly what for the world at large? What responsibility do they have? How many employees are they responsible for?

$27 million is too much, sure and certain. But it isn’t the main problem, not even close. It is a red herring, nothing more.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
September 10, 2012 1:17 am

LLPOH says:

“One more thing – as a rule it is a DISASTER to promote folks from the shop floor into management. Taking the best shop floor person and make him a manager implements the Peter Principle, where people rise to their level of incompetency. There is little or nothing that shop floor folks can learn that will help them in management. Management is a professional skill set, and does not magically transfer itself to the best shop flor employees. It takes years of eductation, experience, and inate talent to become a good manufacturing manager, and shop floor isn’t going to provide the skills and experience needed, nor will you tend to find the natural talent required there.”

Having worked in a manufacturing environment, this one made me think a bit. I was reminded of an incident that occurred in 1996. I was working for a design/build firm as a combined engineer/salesman/project coordinator. I got a contract to provide a turn key, first of it’s kind, forward osmosis concentrator to remove 20,000 #/hr of water from an algae slurry, working with a membrane company that had no manufacturing capabilities.

After the manufacturing (frames of the membrane modules) and process engineering was completed, as the lead engineer, I went to the site to supervise installation of process piping and startup. The actual supervision of installation labor was to be provided by our shop foreman. I was there a day or two early to make sure all our shit was onsite and that the equipment had been properly positioned. I was told that the shop foreman would arrive at 8 AM the next day by our office. The next day 8 AM came and went, as did several more hours. Finally one of our fabricators came up to me and whispered that he was in jail on a DUI.

Now I was pissed as we were on a tight schedule. I went back to my hotel room and called the various jails until I found the right one. I asked the cop who answered the phone what the bail would be and explained my relationship to him. He told me there was no bail. I said, “No bail for a DUI??” The cop told me that he wasn’t arrested for a DUI. I then asked what the fuck he was in jail for. The cop really didn’t want to tell me but given my position and that I had to report what was going on to our office (which provided major lulz), he told me.

Our shop foreman had shown up at the hotel he was staying at at around 11 PM and proceeded to walk into the lobby that had a sole female clerk completely naked. She managed to convince him to leave and called the cops. When the cops arrived they found him sitting on the hood of his car, masturbating.

You can’t make this shit up. He seemed like an okay guy to me, but apparently he had a history of doing this shit. I had a lot of fun explaining the situation to our COO, then proceeded to move things forward until his replacement could be found.

As a postscript, the firm we were putting this equipment into was even more bizarre. It freeze dried blue green algae then sold it as basically the elixir of life through a multi-level marketing organization. It’s sales skyrocked and it had so much cash on hand that there was no attention to costs. I remember the owner showing up during installation, declared the aura sufficiently positive then left. Our startup went well enough but soon after production commenced that it was determined that some toxic red algae had found its’ way into the product and made people sick. By the time the furor was over the company declared bankruptcy, the owner was in federal prison for income tax evasion and all the equipment was sold off. I was saddened mainly because this promising new technology for the food industry was never given a proper opportunity to prove itself.

I was looking to put in a lot more installations.

LLPOH
LLPOH
September 10, 2012 1:28 am

Z – no, you cannot make this shit up. I have so many stories from years of working in manufacturing I do not remember them all – the women shooting their boyfriends in my plants, the suicides, the fights, the thieves getting beat up for stealing lunches, the many, many times cops come in and make arrests, the affairs and the screaming matches when wives/husbands find out – the shit that people do is simply unbelievable. Your story does not surprise me in the least. Funny story – but probably not at the time.

And make no mistake – proportionately speaking, managers are just as likely to do this crap as workers.

But to think that you can make a good employee a good manager for no other reason than he or she is a good employee and has excelled in that job is sheer lunacy. Just because a person is a good offensive lineman does not make him a good quarterback – the skill set, training, experience and intelligence needed are simply different (BTW – offensive linemen are the smartest of all positions).

AKAnon, AKA government (non)drone
AKAnon, AKA government (non)drone
September 10, 2012 1:48 am

As further testimony to llpoh’s point about floor management and the Peter Principle, I offer myself. Engineer by training, profession and by nature. I like to think I am technically pretty competent. However, in practice, at least in gov’t, there tends to be a “glass ceiling” for practicing engineers-to move up, you must move into management. So I did, and found my constitution ill-suited to managing other gov’t employees and contractors, at least under the constraints of gov’t conditions. In the private sector, you have more leverage, or at least I did in the 90s, before joining the DOT. At the state, I described my engineering manager position as “feeling responsible for everything and in control of nothing”.

I was fortunate enough to be able to extricate myself from that management position, with a promotion to a technical engineer position, which was (for me and my background) the best job in the department. But when my boss retired, I threw my hat in the ring. Whether simple greed, fear of a new, worse boss or sincerely trying to do the best thing for the department, regardless, I wound up with his job. Since taking the position, it has morphed from a mostly technical, partly managerial role, to the reverse. I am trying to develop better managerial skills, but I must admit that I struggle everyday. I am a prime example of the Peter Principle.

Llpoh
Llpoh
September 10, 2012 3:09 am

AKA – i began as an engineer. I was a poor engineer. It suited me not – I hate project work. However, managing factories suited me well. Personality needs to match the work to truly excel.

flash
flash
September 10, 2012 8:03 am

Dear God, I’ve thumbed up several AWD comments few days…. I’m out of control.I need an intervention.
On the surface it appears to me that China , unlike US, are attempting to get a handle on the global economic firestorm by having a controlled burn, e.g. stable currency, hard assets , shiny new cities connected via high speed rail, a manufacturing base , self sustaining agriculture and a population reaching 1.5 billion willing to work.
China is not in checkmate.They still have lots of room on the board to maneuver .They can survive a loss or export market share and make up the difference by, focusing on their native customers and soldier on.
While China may no longer experience the double digit growth they’ve become accustomed to , I think it highly unlikely they’ll experience the bug meet windshield effect the US will expericeince in the event of a US dollar crash.

The wiley Chinese have invested in hard assets, infrastructure and food production while We the Underrepresented Sheep have allowed our so called leadership to squander our national wealth feeding worthless parasites who never put anything back.
…jus’ sayin’

Jmarz
Jmarz
September 10, 2012 8:06 am

Interesting comments here.

Bob
Bob
September 10, 2012 5:52 pm

It’s a global meltdown, folks. Nobody gets a pass. China, Japan and the West are all in for their own versions of the shitstorm.

China has a few strengths we don’t have, particularly 1) Much less debt throughout the system and 2) Already close to subsistence existence in many parts of the country – so not a lot to lose.

China also has terrible issues we don’t have to deal with, such as 1) The Government REALLY does control everything, 2) Totalitarianism and mass murder are much closer at hand as useable tools and 3) the Chinese 1% versus 99% problem makes ours look like a picnic.

I expect China will have more chaos, civil war and fragment into more separate countries than North America eventually does. Then there will be a couple of Chinese regions that go on to thrive. But the same can be said for North America as well. I see no clear advantage either way.

So China will have US Treasury Bonds, and we will have socks. I already have an large supply of socks. If need be, I can set aside some of them to wipe my ass with. China could use its US Treasuries the same way someday. But my socks can be washed and reused…