In case you hadn’t noticed, this Fourth Turning just happened to turn up a few notches on the intensity scale in the last week. For those who are hoping for a positive outcome and rational people to come to their senses – So Solly. Fourth Turnings are a bitch.

Meanwhile In Beijing: “For The Respect Of The Motherland, We Must Go To War With Japan”

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Submitted by Tyler Durdenon 09/15/2012 12:23 -0400

Anti-US protests sweeping across the entire Muslim world (which are continuing today), besieging, attacking and burning down US embassies, are not the only thing that the central banker policy vehicle known as “the markets” have to ignore in the coming days and weeks. Cause here comes China: “Thousands besiege Japan’s embassy in Beijing over Tokyo’s assertion of control over disputed islands in East China Sea.” And China is not happy: “For The Respect Of The Motherland, We Must Go To War With Japan.” Sure enough, where would the US be if the focal point of this escalation in militant anger – the Senkaku Islands – was not merely the latest expression of Pax Americana, and America’s national interests abroad.

We already discussed the inevitable implications of the meaningless populist agitation over the contested Senkaku Islands. Here it is playing out in real time:

Protests in China are growing over Japan’s assertion of control of disputed islands.


Thousands of Chinese besieged the Japanese embassy in Beijing on Saturday, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles with protests reported in other major cities over the territorial dispute in the East China Sea.


Paramilitary police with shields and batons barricaded the embassy, holding back and occasionally fighting with slogan-chanting, flag-waving protesters who at times appeared to be trying to storm the building.


Return our islands! Japanese devils get out!” some shouted.


One of them held up a sign reading: “For the respect of the motherland, we must go to war with Japan.


The protests were not confined in Beijing. In Shanghai, streets around the Japanese consulate, in the were cordoned off on Saturday even as hundreds of police allowed a small groups of people in at a time to protest.


“The Chinese government has not done much to quell the inflamed passions of its citizens,” Al Jazeera’s Marga Ortigas reported from Hong Kong on Saturday.


Protesters are also calling for a widespread boycott against Japanese businesses and products.


Liu Gang, a migrant worker from the southern region of Guangxi, said: “We hate Japan. We’ve always hated Japan. Japan invaded China and killed a lot of Chinese. We will never forget.”


Japanese media are also reporting that large anti-Japan protests were held in the Chinese cities of Xian, Changsha, Nanjing and Suzhou.


Kyodo news agency said protesters attacked a dozen Japanese restaurants in Suzhou.


Sino-Japanese ties have long been plagued by China’s bitter memories of Japan’s military aggression in the 1930s and 1940s and present rivalry over resources and regional clout.


Relations between the two countries, whose business and trade ties have blossomed in recent years, chilled in 2010, after Japan arrested a Chinese trawler captain whose boat collided with Japanese Coast Guard vessels near the Japanese-controlled islands of Senkaku, called Diaoyu in China.


Anti-Japanese sentiment surfaced anew in the last few weeks after the Japanese government purchased the islands from their private owners.


Though Japan has controlled the islands for decades, China saw the purchase as further proof of Tokyo’s refusal to negotiate.


In response to Japan’s purchase, China on Friday sent six surveillance ships into what Japan says are its territorial waters.

And that’s how “escalation” always begins.

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26 thoughts on “TORA TORA TORA”

  1. You know the old trick where you flick your fingers with one hand and punch with the other?

    Flick flick (QE, Pissy Haji)….


    ^^^^THIS IS THE STORY^^^^

  2. Flash: If you mean nice pale faces smiling as platoons march by during a photo-op, you’re very right.

    These little islands…. really some rocks…. simply mean resource rights in a 200 mile radius for the sovereign’s business interests, nothing more.

    The rest will be fluff for newsreels.

    Cue the Smedley Butler c&p, sarge, there is a parallel…

  3. Many Chinese people would love a little war with Japan as payback for what Imperial Japan did.

    Japan should not count on the help of the US for several reasons.

  4. Tonto, Are you asking for a WAR IS A RACKET c&p, because if you are…

    Jewrub 1 should take note.This is what a soldier with a conscious and a working brain thinks of war..



    Who provides the profits – these nice little profits of 20, 100, 300, 1,500 and 1,800 per cent? We all pay them – in taxation. We paid the bankers their profits when we bought Liberty Bonds at $100.00 and sold them back at $84 or $86 to the bankers. These bankers collected $100 plus. It was a simple manipulation. The bankers control the security marts. It was easy for them to depress the price of these bonds. Then all of us – the people – got frightened and sold the bonds at $84 or $86. The bankers bought them. Then these same bankers stimulated a boom and government bonds went to par – and above. Then the bankers collected their profits.

    But the soldier pays the biggest part of the bill.

    If you don’t believe this, visit the American cemeteries on the battlefields abroad. Or visit any of the veteran’s hospitals in the United States. On a tour of the country, in the midst of which I am at the time of this writing, I have visited eighteen government hospitals for veterans. In them are a total of about 50,000 destroyed men – men who were the pick of the nation eighteen years ago. The very able chief surgeon at the government hospital; at Milwaukee, where there are 3,800 of the living dead, told me that mortality among veterans is three times as great as among those who stayed at home.

    Boys with a normal viewpoint were taken out of the fields and offices and factories and classrooms and put into the ranks. There they were remolded; they were made over; they were made to “about face”; to regard murder as the order of the day. They were put shoulder to shoulder and, through mass psychology, they were entirely changed. We used them for a couple of years and trained them to think nothing at all of killing or of being killed.

    Then, suddenly, we discharged them and told them to make another “about face” ! This time they had to do their own readjustment, sans [without] mass psychology, sans officers’ aid and advice and sans nation-wide propaganda. We didn’t need them any more. So we scattered them about without any “three-minute” or “Liberty Loan” speeches or parades. Many, too many, of these fine young boys are eventually destroyed, mentally, because they could not make that final “about face” alone.

    In the government hospital in Marion, Indiana, 1,800 of these boys are in pens! Five hundred of them in a barracks with steel bars and wires all around outside the buildings and on the porches. These already have been mentally destroyed. These boys don’t even look like human beings. Oh, the looks on their faces! Physically, they are in good shape; mentally, they are gone.

    There are thousands and thousands of these cases, and more and more are coming in all the time. The tremendous excitement of the war, the sudden cutting off of that excitement – the young boys couldn’t stand it.

    That’s a part of the bill. So much for the dead – they have paid their part of the war profits. So much for the mentally and physically wounded – they are paying now their share of the war profits. But the others paid, too – they paid with heartbreaks when they tore themselves away from their firesides and their families to don the uniform of Uncle Sam – on which a profit had been made. They paid another part in the training camps where they were regimented and drilled while others took their jobs and their places in the lives of their communities. The paid for it in the trenches where they shot and were shot; where they were hungry for days at a time; where they slept in the mud and the cold and in the rain – with the moans and shrieks of the dying for a horrible lullaby.

    But don’t forget – the soldier paid part of the dollars and cents bill too.

    Up to and including the Spanish-American War, we had a prize system, and soldiers and sailors fought for money. During the Civil War they were paid bonuses, in many instances, before they went into service. The government, or states, paid as high as $1,200 for an enlistment. In the Spanish-American War they gave prize money. When we captured any vessels, the soldiers all got their share – at least, they were supposed to. Then it was found that we could reduce the cost of wars by taking all the prize money and keeping it, but conscripting [drafting] the soldier anyway. Then soldiers couldn’t bargain for their labor, Everyone else could bargain, but the soldier couldn’t.

    Napoleon once said,

    “All men are enamored of decorations…they positively hunger for them.”

    So by developing the Napoleonic system – the medal business – the government learned it could get soldiers for less money, because the boys liked to be decorated. Until the Civil War there were no medals. Then the Congressional Medal of Honor was handed out. It made enlistments easier. After the Civil War no new medals were issued until the Spanish-American War.

    In the World War, we used propaganda to make the boys accept conscription. They were made to feel ashamed if they didn’t join the army.

    So vicious was this war propaganda that even God was brought into it. With few exceptions our clergymen joined in the clamor to kill, kill, kill. To kill the Germans. God is on our side…it is His will that the Germans be killed.

    And in Germany, the good pastors called upon the Germans to kill the allies…to please the same God. That was a part of the general propaganda, built up to make people war conscious and murder conscious.

    Beautiful ideals were painted for our boys who were sent out to die. This was the “war to end all wars.” This was the “war to make the world safe for democracy.” No one mentioned to them, as they marched away, that their going and their dying would mean huge war profits. No one told these American soldiers that they might be shot down by bullets made by their own brothers here. No one told them that the ships on which they were going to cross might be torpedoed by submarines built with United States patents. They were just told it was to be a “glorious adventure.”

    Thus, having stuffed patriotism down their throats, it was decided to make them help pay for the war, too. So, we gave them the large salary of $30 a month.

    All they had to do for this munificent sum was to leave their dear ones behind, give up their jobs, lie in swampy trenches, eat canned willy (when they could get it) and kill and kill and kill…and be killed.

    But wait!

    Half of that wage (just a little more than a riveter in a shipyard or a laborer in a munitions factory safe at home made in a day) was promptly taken from him to support his dependents, so that they would not become a charge upon his community. Then we made him pay what amounted to accident insurance – something the employer pays for in an enlightened state – and that cost him $6 a month. He had less than $9 a month left.

    Then, the most crowning insolence of all – he was virtually blackjacked into paying for his own ammunition, clothing, and food by being made to buy Liberty Bonds. Most soldiers got no money at all on pay days.

    We made them buy Liberty Bonds at $100 and then we bought them back – when they came back from the war and couldn’t find work – at $84 and $86. And the soldiers bought about $2,000,000,000 worth of these bonds!

    Yes, the soldier pays the greater part of the bill. His family pays too. They pay it in the same heart-break that he does. As he suffers, they suffer. At nights, as he lay in the trenches and watched shrapnel burst about him, they lay home in their beds and tossed sleeplessly – his father, his mother, his wife, his sisters, his brothers, his sons, and his daughters.

    When he returned home minus an eye, or minus a leg or with his mind broken, they suffered too – as much as and even sometimes more than he. Yes, and they, too, contributed their dollars to the profits of the munitions makers and bankers and shipbuilders and the manufacturers and the speculators made. They, too, bought Liberty Bonds and contributed to the profit of the bankers after the Armistice in the hocus-pocus of manipulated Liberty Bond prices.

    And even now the families of the wounded men and of the mentally broken and those who never were able to readjust themselves are still suffering and still paying.


  5. Ncognito:

    A tangle between China and Japan, if escalated, would be just what the doctor ordered going by econ textbooks written by our policymakers.

    Add a tangle over in the dunes, we’d have a…. wait for it… wait for it….

    World War

    Hey! Right on schedule!

    Fuck me.

  6. Asia-Pacific troop numbers:

    Australia – 185
    Japan – 36,708
    Philippines – 174
    Singapore – 150
    South Korea – 28,500
    Thailand – 125

    65,208 troops in S. Korea and Japan. If you think the U.S. would be able to stay out of a war with Japan and China you’re a fucking idiot. Japan and China have been mortal enemies since time immemorial. S. Korea hates China with a passion, only outdone by their hatred for Japan.

    Japan is even more bankrupt than the U.S. China doesn’t have much to lose; a war would be a great distraction for economic problems. Great set up for a war. The U.S. navy has to be getting stretched a little thin now, with three carrier groups in the straights of Hormuz. China would run over Japan (and the U.S. forces) like an Escalade running over a skunk on a highway in Mississippi. It would be a fiasco, the likes of which we’ve never seen. Much more death and destruction than any sandbox in the middle east.

    If China attacks, and the U.S. is crushed, which they will be, they simply can’t get enough assets over there in time, do you think N. Korea is just going to stand around? Fuck no, they’ll take advantage of the situation, I believe. All out war, while we’re trying to cover our asses in the Middle East. The disadvantages of having soldiers on the ground all over the world. We will pay the price.


  7. AWD: You do understand that by attacking Japan, even if they overrun them and occupy it, that they would quickly become a new “Red Menace”.

    Chinese debt? LOL

    Japanese Debt? LOL

    The lives lost…. not a laughing matter at all. I’m probably not the only one with friends and family serving in Korea.

    Turn turn turn

  8. Colmes:

    China is no longer hand-cuffed by their relation with Russia.

    Japan is like China before WW2 in Asia; weak, broke, defenseless.

    China is like Japan before WW2, rich, strong, extremely powerful.

    As the quotes above remind anyone with a memory, Japan raped, pillaged, and destroyed China in WW2. Asians never forget dishonor and disgrace; there is nothing worse. Asia has been a powderkeg for decades, simmering, now ready to blow. China is holding all the cards. The “red scare” is so WW3 (the Cold War), it’s over. Our attention has constantly been on WW4 (war against islamo-fascism), diverted from Asia, yet we have a serious military presence there. a recipe for disaster. I hope it calms down, but you don’t understand these people. Well, maybe you do. Most people have no idea, including the criminals in Washington.

  9. As to the debt, China has been a net seller of U.S. treasuries. They are cashing ’em in and buying hard assets, tons of gold, real estate, mines. Now, with Bernake and QEinfinity, they could probably care less about their dollar assets. They are moving away from dollar assets and dollar-based trades with every other country in the world. We will lose reserve currency status to China, it’s just a matter of time.

    All they have to do is dump the roughly $2 trillion in Treasuries they have now, and it would literally sink our economy and country. If they do indeed plan a war against Japan, they would start by wiping us out financially. They’d take one helluva loss, but Bernake is devaluing and inflating away their dollar assets faster than they can sell ’em.

  10. Oh, believe me, A-dubs, I’m with you there….. I think you’re the only one who realizes how ethnocentric, nationalistic and straight up nuts they are…. every one of them. They are THE ORIGINAL pointy hooded, mullet clad goose-steppers!

    I’m saying that such an action would cut off all trade with China and indeed start a “Cold War”…. but it will get hot. Any loss of American lives would swell into a mass reaction here…. People would rally. It would be breathtaking to behold the anger….

    Dude: No rubber dog shit? That alone would flood recruiters. The chubbys? They have an old boot camp trick for them involving a sign around the neck and half servings at chow time….

    No less, a war would be music to Keynesian ears. Rationing, control of industry, ramped up factory production, bond purchases, lots and lots of broken windows.

    Unfortunately, the academics don’t realize just how many windows would break.

    Go long silvadine and kiss the world goodbye.

  11. I’m no historian, but I can’t recall a situation like this in world history.

    China: a real superpower, holding the other superpower’s debt, $2 trillion worth, thus enabling the ability to completely annihilate the U.S. economically without firing a shot. They make parts and critical systems for defense applications, things we don’t even make in the U.S. anymore. They could cripple our defensive capabilities. And, they have 1.5 billion people, an endless wave, if focused on a war effort, would far surpass anything Keynesians, democrats, the Federal Reserve printing, or anything else we could do, especially if they drop the economic A-bomb by dumping our treasuries/debt. And lastly, we don’t have Henry Kissinger, one of the best Asian foreign policy wonks ever.

    We have these two bumbling idiots. Look at what they’ve done in the Middle East. These clowns probably couldn’t find Shanghai on a map

    Hopefully SSS will weigh in on this topic.

  12. Llpoh’s factory would switch from broomsticks to bayonets! He would be RICH(er) and if an unruly employee needs to take a costly diherea at $2 bucks a minute or whatever, he could tell them:

    “HOLD THAT SHIT! The fate of the nation commands you to HOLD IT!!!”

  13. On the other hand, Obama is a socialist. They’re former socialists. Maybe Hillary can convince them to keep loaning us money and we’ll make it official, the United Socialist Republic of Amerika. Save the nuclear exchange.


  14. The Chinese people good reason to hate the Japanese ( good reason to hate their own govt, too). Japanese atrocities against the Chinese were unforgivable. And only happened about 70 years ago. Historians say it can take over 200 years for those wounds to heal and memories to fade. I never forget what the Japanese are capable of. I doubt the Chinese do, either. The Japs should abandon those fucking rocks if push comes to shove. Call it reparation.

  15. Colma – I am putting coin operated crappers in my factory. I charge them a dollar a minute to use those suckers. Makes it cost neutral.

  16. The “critical parts” issue is overhyped and the dollar is already doomed. That whole conversation assumes regular global trade and convertible currencies.

    Overhyped Critical Parts: Based on rare-earth production. They have the operating mines… wait…

    We do too, they’re just not competitive for consumer markets because they’re in Californ-I-A. SSS needs to sound off on this if he knows, but I’m pretty sure what’s left of our hardware industry is almost solely for defense… The haphazard parts in the F-15’s a few years ago notwithstanding.

    Overhyped dollars: The Dollar has long been undergoing a sort of planned phase-out…. Targeting an inflation rate over increased productivity effects does that. An economic warfare threat coupled with a military action would be immediately met with war-time (not this fuddy-duddy “conflict” shit) constraint and restructuring.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUzla27cplwI5W3DdwjeaKr8gP2HsCEMp1FEuXxHkbqUB_vjtW1g MULLET CLAD 5247Chinese_hat.jpg POINTY HOODED 153075.jpg GOOSE-STEPPERS!!!!!

  17. Colma – last I heard therare earth mines were not operational, and would takequite sometime to be re-started – say 2 years. Seems they sent the equipment to ……. China.

  18. images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmxe4nSZf5raGAsMEO5wkS-mddDZUQIWOr_f1tyLrw5xqmrBjx They have one going for sure…. The two years assumes operating with fed/state restrictions. I’m talking the full-on effort fueled by the tv saying even “10,000 American soldiers and 25,000 Japanese soldiers were killed in a brutal action by China….”

    We tend to forget how quickly a pissy American populace can gear up for things.

    No matter…. It would be a miracle if some asshole didn’t just cruise an H-bomb and set forth some unstoppable chains of events.

    I’m telling you, a bunch of pissy Hajis has NOTHING on a South China Sea flare up. NOTHING.

  19. There are rare earth deposits in a number of places, including Alaska. Not viable (under current conditions) due to environmental/land status issues. That and the current (but dwindling) availability of cheaper REE from China. I don’t know about the CA mines, but the AK deposits would take at least a year or two to get into production, assuming the DOD over-ruled all the greenies and demanded immediate development.

  20. Japan’s Ambassador To China Dies As Chinese Police Use Tear Gas, Water Cannon On Anti-Japan Protesters

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/16/2012 10:12 -0400

    Yesterday we described that anti-Japan sentiment across China was spreading like wildfire with some even suggesting it is time to declare war on Japan (see picture) in retaliation for the unprecedented shift in Japan’s status quo vis-a-vis the Senkaku Islands. Today it has gotten even worse. From Reuters: “Chinese police used pepper spray, tear gas and water cannon to break up an anti-Japan protest in southern China on Sunday as demonstrators took to the streets in scores of cities across the country in a long-running row over a group of disputed islands. The protests erupted in Beijing and many other cities on Saturday, when demonstrators besieged the Japanese embassy, hurling rocks, eggs and bottles and testing police cordons, prompting the Japanese prime minister to call on Beijing to ensure protection of his country’s people and property. In the biggest flare-up on Sunday, police fired about 20 rounds of tear gas and used water cannon and pepper spray to repel thousands occupying a street in the southern city of Shenzhen, near Hong Kong. Protesters attacked a Japanese department store, grabbed police shields and knocked off their helmets. One protester was seen with blood on his face. At least one policeman was hit with a flowerpot.” And while the populist reaction was widely expected, the most surprising development came from Japan, where the designated ambassador to Beijing mysteriously died several hours ago after collapsing in the street without any obvious cause.

    From Reuters:

    Japan’s ambassador-designate to China, Shinichi Nishimiya, died on Sunday in a Tokyo hospital, the Foreign Ministry said, three days after he was found unconscious on a Tokyo street.

    Doctors were looking into the cause of death, ministry official Takashi Ariyoshi said in a statement, but no other details were available. Nishimiya, 60, was found unconscious on a street near his home on his way to work.

    Nishimiya was to have left in mid-October to take over from Uichiro Niwa as Japan’s top envoy in Beijing.

    While coincidental, Nishimiya’s death came as tensions flared up between Japan and China over a disputed group of islands in the East China Sea claimed by both countries.

    It remains to be seen how coincidental his death is: perhaps no less coincidental than the suicide of the Japan’s Finance Minister who hung himself last week for “reasons unknown” and who happened to be deputy minister for disaster reconstruction when the Fukushima disaster struck. The same Japan which for over a year has been calming the world that all is well regarding the deadliest nuclear disater since Chernobyl. The media will have you know none of these events are in any way tied to each other.

    Finally, as all this is happening, China has started a navy drill in the East China Sea, also not known as the West Japan Sea.

  21. Any non-nuclear war between Japan and China would be naval. Japan would get its’ ass kicked, not because of technology but because of numbers. Japan has been limited to “self-defense” for almost 70 years while China has not. China has impressive amphibious capabilities, Japan does not. I might be in the minority, but I would feel safer if the Japanese Imperial Navy (combined fleet) were still prowling the South China Sea. With various technical upgrades, the Yamato and Musashi might still be in service today. Japan is the only country in the region with the wealth and technology to contain the chinese, but today they are too weak and in indebtedness to do it. So, by the way are we.


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