“You’d be William Munny out of Missouri, killer of women and children”. – Little Bill Daggett – Unforgiven 

 “That’s right, I’ve killed women and children, I’ve killed just about everything that walked or crawled at one time or another, and I’m here to kill you Little Bill, for what you did to Ned” – Willam Munny – Unforgiven 

Funny thing, killin’ a man. You take away everything he’s got and everything he’s gonna have.William Munny – Unforgiven 

Clint Eastwood’s final western was one of the darkest, most violent, vicious westerns ever made. Much of the film takes place in darkness. The tone of the film is depressing, with a drained wintery look reminiscent of High Plains Drifter. The script had been written in 1976 during our last Awakening, but Eastwood held off making the movie until 1991 when he was old enough to play the lead role. Age, stages of life, and mood are key elements in the movie, as they are in the plot playing out in the world today. Unforgiven  is a story of atonement, justice and retribution. The cold forbidding atmosphere reflects a Fourth Turning mood. We’ve entered our hibernal Crisis, with its violent struggles and compulsory sacrifices in an era of maximum danger and ultimately a fight for survival. This decisive test of human strength and fortitude was as predictable as the change in seasons. Strauss and Howe understood the generational dynamics of the country would align to create the mood change which would usher in the third Fourth Turning in American history:

“The next Fourth Turning is due to begin shortly after the new millennium, midway through the Oh-Oh decade. Around the year 2005, a sudden spark will catalyze a Crisis mood. Remnants of the old social order will disintegrate. Political and economic trust will implode. Real hardship will beset the land, with severe distress that could involve questions of class, race, nation and empire. The very survival of the nation will feel at stake. Sometime before the year 2025, America will pass through a great gate in history, commensurate with the American Revolution, Civil War, and twin emergencies of the Great Depression and World War II.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning 

Unforgiven  follows the journey of William Munny, a cold blooded vicious bandit in his youth, turned peaceful farmer in his old age. As a widower with two kids and a failing farm, he agrees to kill two cowboys who had disfigured a prostitute in the town of Big Whiskey, in return for a reward of $1,000. In his youth he drank heavily and murdered for fun, now he was killing for money. The town is run with an iron fist by an aging gunfighter, turned sheriff, named Little Bill Daggett, who doesn’t allow guns in his town. Munny and his two companions arrive amidst a driving rain storm in the middle of the night. They proceed to execute the two cowboys, but both of Munny’s companions reveal they don’t have a stomach for killing anymore. After collecting the reward, Munny finds out that his friend Ned was captured, tortured, and murdered by Little Bill Daggett. He takes a drink of whiskey and the tale turns into a story of retribution and atonement. He arrives back in town in the pitch black of night and enters the saloon where Little Bill and his men are gathered. He guns down six men, including Little Bill. As he lies on the floor wounded, Bill laments that he doesn’t deserve to die this way. Munny declares:

“deserves got nothin’ to do with it.”

Bill tells Munny he will “see him in hell”, a sentiment which Munny agrees with. Munny then kills him. There is no rousing ending. No cheers from the audience. The ugliness of violence is portrayed realistically and myths of the Old West are demolished. You are left to meditate about the concepts of age, repute, courage, heroism and the fine line between good and evil.

The themes, atmosphere, violence, brutality and finale of this eulogy to the western genre are a perfect representation of our current dire circumstances. The town of Big Whiskey represents the United States. The sheriff rules with an iron fist over the population, but his cronies can get away with murder. Hypocrisy abounds across the U.S. as politicians use the rule of law to keep the masses controlled while rewarding their corporate and banker cronies with government handouts, tax breaks, and free money. I see Munny, his companions and the prostitutes as symbols of the flawed citizens of the United States. They’ve made mistakes, committed crimes, made poor life choices, but they ultimately tried to make an honest living as upstanding citizens. When the authorities pushed them to the brink with their overbearing regulations, brazen criminal actions and blatant institutional corruption, each constituent reacted differently. Some responded with defiance, most rolled over, some ran away, and Munny responded with viciousness and retribution.   

This is how it will play out over the next ten to fifteen years. Cynicism about solutions put forth by corrupt politicians, distrust of government bureaucrats and crooked bankers, and a society wide demoralization, as widespread unemployment and declining living standards for middle class Americans has darkened the landscape like an approaching winter storm. The disillusionment of average Americans is reflected in poll after poll, with only 20% of the population satisfied with the direction of the country versus 70% just prior to 9/11. The mood change in the country since 2005 is palpable. The gap between the Haves and the Have Nots has never been greater and continues to widen. The middle class has floundered for decades, while bankers, politicians and corporate titans have reaped vast riches through peddling debt and gaming a system rigged in their favor.

In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the U.S. at this time?

Recent data from the Pew Foundation finds that Americans are sick of being the world’s policeman. Even conservative Republicans are becoming more isolationist in their views. This was also the case during the 1930’s in the last Fourth Turning. The vast majority of Americans want to keep our noses out of other countries’ affairs because they realize the trillions spent are bankrupting the country.

Even though Americans, by a large majority, favor slashing foreign aid, ending our three foreign wars of aggression, and no longer allowing the super rich and mega-corporations to use the 60,000 page tax code as their means to avoid taxes, our leaders increase war spending, continue to meddle in the affairs of foreign countries, and seek further tax benefits for the super rich and mega-conglomerates. The will of the people is ignored because the government has been bought by the financial and military industrial complex, with funding by the Federal Reserve and the banking cartel that pulls the strings on their puppet – Ben Bernanke.


I’ve previously detailed how the baby boom generation contributed to our financial quandary in Part One – For a Few Dollars More, how the traitorous deeds of the Federal Reserve over the last few decades have ruined the middle class and placed the country on the precipice of disintegration in Part Two – Fistful of Dollars, addressed the nefarious conception of a central bank in Part Three – The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly and revealed how the super rich have used the tax code and their control of politicians to pillage the nation in Part Four – Outlaw Josey Wales. Now I will detail the likely result of years of frivolous consumerism, creation of a debt tsunami, corrupt myopic leadership, crooked bankers, and a angry despondent populace. The lack of preparation by government and individuals ensures this Crisis will be far worse than it had to be. The violent clash between competing forces will be extreme, bloody and result in retribution dished out to the guilty. Ultimately, the country will need to atone for its sins.    


“Reflect on what happens when a terrible winter blizzard strikes. You hear the weather warning but probably fail to act on it. The sky darkens. Then the storm hits with full fury, and the air is a howling whiteness. One by one, your links to the machine age break down. Electricity flickers out, cutting off the TV. Batteries fade, cutting off the radio. Phones go dead. Roads become impossible, and cars get stuck. Food supplies dwindle. Day to day vestiges of modern civilization – bank machines, mutual funds, mass retailers, computers, satellites, airplanes, governments – all recede into irrelevance. Picture yourself and your loved ones in the midst of a howling blizzard that lasts several years. Think about what you would need, who could help you, and why your fate might matter to anybody other than yourself. That is how to plan for a saecular winter. Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted.” – Strauss & Howe The Fourth Turning

This Fourth Turning was as predictable as the seasons. The American Revolution Crisis ended in 1794. The Civil War Crisis arrived 66 years later in 1860. That abbreviated vicious Crisis ended in 1865. The Depression/World War II Crisis arrived 64 years later in 1929. Our current Crisis arrived in the 2008/2009 time frame, exactly 64 years after the end of the last Crisis. Strauss and Howe wrote their book in 1996. They knew we had about a decade to prepare for the looming winter ahead. We had time to fortify, prepare, save, not waste our seed corn on foreign adventures, and reduce all non-essential spending. Not only did we not do what needed to be done, we did the exact opposite of what needed to be done.

The reason is the country has been run by ideologue linear thinkers. Believers in linear history are constantly blindsided by the fact that history is cyclical and periods of progress are counterbalanced by periods of regression. As neo-con Republicans continue to push their lowering taxes on the rich, Christian fundamentalism, drill drill drill energy plan, bowing down to Wall Street bankers and wars on Muslims, drugs, and immigrant agenda, the mood of the country has shifted away from their falsehoods and fabrications. As ultra-liberal Democrats continue to push their agenda of ever increasing entitlements, ridiculous Keynesian stimulus, disengenuous green energy plans, blind support of corrupt unions, wars to prove they’re as tough as Republicans, pushing for gay marriage and rolling over for Wall Street bankers the people of the country have tired of their lies and deceit.

Our country had a decade to prepare for the coming tempest. All generations should have worked to elevate the moral and cultural standards of the country. Instead the decadence, selfishness, materialism and profligacy of the nation were taken to new heights. The complete lack of self control exercised by the media and the public has allowed government bureaucrats to impose despotic laws and regulations to protect us from ourselves and phantom terrorists. The Federal government needed to cut back its size and scope so that it would be nimble in the face of the Crisis. Politicians needed to prevent further civic decay by speaking bluntly and honestly to the American people about the future challenges, while stressing collective duties over personal rights. We needed a revival of citizenship over individualism, with a focus on future generations who would be left with the fallout of thirty years of debt induced societal degradation. The government should have shifted its budgetary focus away from the non-needy old to the young people of our once great Republic. The future of the country depends on the young, not the old. The preparation scorecard on all these accounts is a miserable failure:

  • Since 9/11 the American public has willingly allowed the government to strip liberties and freedoms away in the name of safety and security through passage of the Patriot Act, spying on US citizens, and wars of aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
  • The government wolves control the sheep through the use of fear and misinformation. The War on Terrorism is used at every opportunity to keep the sheep-like populace under control in their holding pens.
  • The corporate owned mainstream media glorifies wealth, celebrity, and sensationalism while infecting the culture with a vapid mind numbing array of TV shows and spewing toxic levels of filth and porn across the airwaves and internet.
  • The Federal government cut back its scope by increasing its annual spending to $3.8 trillion in 2011 versus the $1.6 trillion it spent in 1996, a 138% increase in fifteen years. Meanwhile, GDP only increased by 92% over this same time frame.


  • Our leaders prepared for the tough times ahead by increasing the National Debt from $5.2 trillion to $14.3 trillion in fifteen years, a 175% increase, or almost twice the rate of GDP growth. Rational leaders always triple their debt level when knowing harsh times are coming.
  • The blunt talk coming from politicians since 1996 included: buy an SUV with 0% financing to defeat terrorism; sure we can pay for your drug costs with Medicare Part D; home prices never fall and everyone deserves a house; free market capitalism always works; cutting taxes on the rich will increase tax revenue; they have weapons of mass destruction; debt doesn’t matter; giving bankers $700 billion will save our economy; spending $800 billion will generate 3.5 million jobs; and QE2 will reduce mortgage rates and jump start the economy.
  • Our leaders have thrown the Millenial generation under the bus, while promising to never cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security for the 76 million Boomers that make up the largest voting bloc in the country. The collective long-term survival of the country has been cast aside in the name of the selfish desires of the generations in power.

The lack of cultural and civic preparation has been far outdone by the extraordinarily deficient amount of preparation in the economic and military areas. Everyone knows that when you discern tumultuous times are on the horizon, you conserve, save, and marshal your forces for the coming storm. Our leaders needed to level with Americans and tell them the entitlements they were promised could never be honored. Americans needed to ramp up their savings and become more self reliant in preparing for their old age. Federal, state and local governments needed to shift their employees from defined benefit plans to defined contribution plans. Americans needed to pare back their debt and stop over-consuming. The government needed to balance budgets, reform the tax code shifting toward consumption, and reduce entitlement promises. America needed to gird for a possible war whose scale, cost, manpower and casualties would seem impossible in 1996 (every prior Fourth Turning led to all encompassing war). The preparation scorecard for these areas was dreadful:

  • The most damning data in proving how delusional the government, consumers, businesses and banks has approached the future is the rise in total credit market debt from $18 trillion in 1996 to an all-time high of $52.6 trillion today, or 350% of GDP.


  • Rather than level with people and explain that entitlement promises could not be fulfilled, a supposedly fiscal conservative Republican President added another $15 trillion unfunded liability to our $100 trillion obligation. 


  • Our current socialist president rammed through a national healthcare bill that will filter 30 million people into the system and will add in excess of $1 trillion of unpaid for costs, further burying the hopes and dreams of our youth under a mountain of un-payable obligations.
  • Americans, who used to save 10% of their disposable income, were only saving 5.5% in 1996. Rather than prepare for the future by saving more, they put their faith in housing values growing 10% per year for infinity, and let their savings rate drop below 1% by 2005. The current level of 4.9% is not sufficient and is reflected in the fact that two-thirds of all workers have less than $50,000 in total savings.


  • States have unfunded pension liabilities approaching $3 trillion, with the Federal government carrying a $1 trillion pension liability. Unfunded liabilities are really future tax increases on unborn generations.
  • The one area that seemed under control in the late 1990s was budget deficits. Budget surpluses in the late 1990s turned into $1.5 trillion annual deficits today and as far as the eye can see. The national debt at 95% of GDP has past the point of no return.
  • The price for a barrel of oil was $12 in 1998. Rather than take advantage of this Indian summer and creating a plan to transition from depleting oil to other energy sources, our leaders did nothing. The American people bought massive SUVs, minivans and pickups and moved further into the suburban countryside, miles from civilization. The bumpy plateau of peak oil has arrived and oil prices have ranged between $70 and $140 a barrel for the last few years. We will long for these prices in a few short years.


  • Rather than conserving our military forces and preparing for a future major confrontation we have overextended our limited forces, spent $1.2 trillion on wars of choice, killed 7,300 American soldiers, and wounded another 43,000 soldiers.

The complete lack of preparation, indeed the choice to actively do the opposite of prepare, has insured this Fourth Turning Crisis will be that much more destructive.

“History offers no guarantees. If America plunges into an era of depression or violence which by then has not lifted, we will likely look back on the 1990s as the decade when we valued all the wrong things and made all the wrong choices.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning


“The refusal of the political class to imposes losses on large bank creditors since the collapse of Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual in 2008 illustrates the extent to which the financialization of the western industrial economies has turned into a gradual coup d’état by the banks and the global speculators who dominate their client base.” – Chris Whalen


“We’re not moving toward Hitler-type fascism, but we’re moving toward a softer fascism: Loss of civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big business. So you have the military-industrial complex, you have the medical-industrial complex, you have the financial industry, you have the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of millions of dollars. That’s where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism — something that’s very dangerous.”Ron Paul 

As the average American continues their epic struggle to stay afloat in these turbulent times it is clear to those with critical thinking skills, like Chris Whalen and Ron Paul, that the game is rigged in favor of those with enormous wealth and power. There is no doubt the levers of government and finance have been seized by a super rich minority of men, willing to use all means necessary to increase their wealth and power at the expense of those they consider lowly expendable peasants. The myth perpetuated by those in control of the system is that everyone in America has ample opportunity to move up the ladder, even as they push the ladders away from the parapet surrounding their castle.

The talking points of the super rich, which are pounded into the brains of slumbering Americans, are they pay all the taxes, create all the jobs, create all the wealth, and drive innovation. The facts say otherwise. The super rich aren’t creators, they are destroyers. The top 0.1% richest Americans didn’t get rich by creating new companies and letting their entrepreneurial talents shine. These 152,000 people, with an average income of $5.6 million per year are overwhelmingly executives at large corporations, banks, law firms, and real estate firms. These people account for 68% of the richest of the rich. Entrepreneurial creators and producers account for less than 10% of the richest Americans. The executives that make up the 68% are masters of creating debt, wealth for themselves by peddling debt to the middle class, and creating jobs in China and India by outsourcing U.S. jobs.

The average income of the 137 million people that sit at the bottom of the income pyramid has declined by 1% since 1970. The people at the top of the pyramid saw their average income rise by 385%. Was this because they worked harder? No. It was because they used their existing wealth to buy politicians and pay lobbyists to write laws, create loopholes, reduce regulations, and alter the tax code in their favor. This was not a conspiracy. It was human nature. Humans are driven by greed and fear. Lusting for power and wealth is a common human frailty. Those who are able to acquire wealth and power through their superior abilities and intellect are usually driven individuals. It is built into their DNA to seek more wealth and power. There are 310 million Americans and based on the chart below, only 1.5 million would be classified as very rich or extremely rich. Many of these people associate in the same circles. This incestuous relationship is what breeds the growing inequality in our country. The game is rigged in favor of these 1.5 million people because they run the corporations, occupy the halls of Congress, peddle the debt products to the bottom 90%, and use their mass media to control the message to the under-educated, over-medicated, gadget distracted masses.


The problem with humans is they always push the envelope too far. The rich and powerful have methodically accumulated more wealth and more power since their glorious coup in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the personal income tax. They have used inflation and the tax code to further their agenda. The rate of their pillaging has waxed and waned over the last century as the mood of the country has oscillated during the five turnings between crisis and triumph. The rate of looting has accelerated in the last thirty years as their false message of free market capitalism, lower tax rates for the rich, and the issuance of unparalleled amounts of debt was bought hook line and sinker by the American public. Their plundering of the national wealth reached a sickening crescendo in the last ten years, as their internet bubble was replaced by their housing bubble, which has been replaced by their debt bubble of immense proportions. As the middle class has been impoverished, 30 million people are unemployed or underemployed, senior citizens have been sacrificed at the altar of Wall Street and 45 million people are forced to use food stamps, the top 1% has done fabulously. They continue to rake in a greater proportion of the national income every year.  In 2009, in the midst of an epic financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States soared by 16% to 7.8 million as despair and hopelessness spread across the land and fearful Americans were railroaded into bailing out the bankers that initiated the crisis and believing the Obama’s Keynesian solutions would actually trickle down to them.


As the game approaches its inevitable termination those in control have become increasingly audacious and frantic in their attempts to embezzle what remains of middle class wealth. The anger and disillusionment grows by the day. The mood of the country darkens like the sky before an approaching blizzard. The intensity and violence during a Fourth Turning hastens as events spiral toward a climax. The extreme actions taken by those in power since September 2008 have set in motion a chain of events that will lead to civil war. The powerful elite in government (Bush, Paulson, Bernanke, Congress) chose to bail out the powerful elite on Wall Street (Blankfein, Dimon, Pandit, Lewis) on the backs of the American middle class. TARP, QE1, QE2, and the $800 billion stimulus package were all created by the ruling elite to benefit the ruling elite, who control the vast amount of financial wealth in the country. Savers and seniors have been thrown under the wheels of a Lamborghini driven by the profligate Wall Street gamblers.


Average Americans feel betrayed by politicians, bankers and corporate America. The Tea party movement is a reflection of that anger. Fourth Turnings always sweep away the old order and replace it with a new order. The old order isn’t ready to be swept away, but their time is coming. The U.S. economic model is unsustainable and is guaranteed to collapse in the near future. Those in power are trying to engineer a controlled collapse, but they will lose control just as they did in 2008. Panic and depression will ensue. Vast amounts of wealth will be destroyed. When the middle class realizes they have been screwed again by Wall Street and K Street, and they no longer have anything left to lose, they will lose it.

The welfare class will only riot if their EBT cards stop working and the monthly welfare direct deposit ceases. It’s the critical thinkers in the middle class that will lead a revolution. There are 250 million guns owned by Americans. With this amount of firepower and millions of Americans with nothing left to lose, those attempting to retain power will be at a distinct disadvantage. I believe armed vigilantes will hunt down those responsible for the destruction of the American economy and invoke their own justice. Their gated communities and penthouse suite doormen will not protect them. No politician, banker, or corporate executive will be safe. Some will escape in their Lear jets to foreign lands, but the rest of the world will be equally chaotic and unsafe for those who committed crimes against humanity. Innocent people will die. Deserve will have nothing to do with it. The very existence of our country will hang in the balance.


“The seasons of time offer no guarantees. For modern societies, no less than for all forms of life, transformative change is discontinuous. For what seems an eternity, history goes nowhere – and then it suddenly flings us forward across some vast chaos that defies any mortal effort to plan our way there. The Fourth Turning will try our souls – and the saecular rhythm tells us that much will depend on how we face up to that trial. The saeculum does not reveal whether the story will have a happy ending, but it does tell us how and when our choices will make a difference.”  – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

“Don’t think you can escape the Fourth Turning the way you might today distance yourself from news, national politics, or even taxes you don’t feel like paying. History warns that a Crisis will reshape the basic social and economic environment that you now take for granted. The Fourth Turning necessitates the death and rebirth of the social order. It is the ultimate rite of passage for an entire people, requiring a luminal state of sheer chaos whose nature and duration no one can predict in advance.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

No one can predict the exact events (debt ceiling, Euro collapse, Middle East war) that will propel this Fourth Turning. But, the underlying drivers are clear: public debt, private debt, banker coup, military overreach, corporate fascism, Federal Reserve created inflation, an oil dependent society with depleting oil and rampant corruption across all levels of government. The fingers of instability grow longer as we add $4 billion per day to the national debt. A grain of sand will fall on the wrong part of the sand pile triggering a collapse of our currency. The event is unknown, the timing unclear, but the destination is certain. A dollar collapse will trigger a surge in interest rates, which will be fatal to our debt bloated society. Every previous Fourth Turning involved revolutionary aspects. The American Revolution and Civil War were wars of revolution. The stirrings of revolution were rampant in the early 1930s, with a plot foiled by General Smedley Butler. The New Deal was a response designed to quell discontent among the masses. Enough people are becoming aware of who to blame for the ills in our society that Henry Ford’s prediction is ever closer to being realized:

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning.”


An uprising against the super rich and their banking cartel partners in crime is in the cards over the next ten years. Our society has degenerated and has been ransacked by sociopaths in suits as Jesse from Jesse’s Café Americain  so eloquently states:

“Not all sociopaths wield knives and knotted cords. Some wear suits, and are exceptionally intelligent and articulate, obsessively driven, and are able to use and undermine the law and the rules for their advantage, like weapons.  It is never about the win, never about the money.  It is about the kill, the expression of their hatred, about elevating themselves with the suffering of others. Bind, torture, kill.  Not only with ropes and knives, but also with power and money, and the subversion of law.  Lawlessness is their addiction, their will to power.

When societies become lax and complacent, these sociopaths can possess great political power through great amounts of unprincipled money.  And over time they become almost anti-human, destroyers of all that is good, all that is life, all that offends their insatiable sickness with its goodness.  They twist the public against itself, and turn a broad sweep of society into their killing grounds. This is the undeniable lesson of the last century.  There are monsters, and they walk among us.” 

Human beings are a flawed species. We are often driven by emotion rather than reason. We are easily convinced of things we want to be convinced about. Those with superior intelligence often take advantage of those with inferior intelligence. We are prone to mass hysteria and believing things that, in retrospect, were utterly ridiculous. We can be swayed by fear and greed in alternating degrees of delusion. History teaches us that this time isn’t different. We’ve experienced depression, war and social upheaval on an epic scale three times since the founding of this country. With only three data points it is tough to discern patterns that would reveal exactly how this Fourth Turning will play out. But it is apparent to me that each Fourth Turning alternates between a mostly external struggle and a mostly internal struggle. The American Revolution was a struggle against an external oppressor – Great Britain. The Civil War was an internal struggle between the industrial North and the agrarian South. The Depression/World War II struggle was mainly against an external threat – Germany, Japan, and Italy.

The Fourth Turnings that centered upon an external threat ended with a glorious High. The Civil War Fourth Turning resolution felt more like defeat, with the country exhausted, bitter and angry. All indications are this Fourth Turning will be mainly an internal struggle between the ruling class of bankers, business elites, and politicians and the downtrodden middle class. The lying, cheating, fraud, theft and other wrongs committed by those in power will need to be atoned for. The generational dynamics in place will drive the reactions of the country moving forward. We have been badly led. A vast swath of the populace has lived beyond their means. The existing system is unsustainable. The Boomer generation does not want to yield on their perceived entitlements. The Millenial generation will be saddled with un-payable debts. Generation X is caught in the middle of this generational struggle. The huge imbalances in our society have built up over decades like flood waters behind a weakening levee. When the levee breaks the existing order will be swept away in the raging torrent that will follow.

The ruling class will be stripped of their unseemly acquired wealth; the Boomer generation will be scorned for their reckless disregard for future generations and stripped of their entitlements; Generation X will resign themselves to a lower standard of living, knowing full well by doing so, their children will not be saddled with crushing levels of debt; Millenials will have borne the burden of the revolution and violence which will be inevitable as the ruling class fights to retain their dominating position in society.  Darkness descends upon our land. Storm clouds gather on the horizon. We’ve all played a part in the catastrophe that lies before us. Everyone in our crumbling society will need to atone for its sins, whether they deserve to or not. Will Munney was not an innocent man, but he ultimately atoned for his sins by digging deep into his soul and finding the strength and fortitude to fight the evil establishment. Each generation’s rendezvous with destiny awaits. There are no guarantees. The myth of American Exceptionalism will not protect us from the choices we’ve made. God will not shield us from the consequences of our actions. The American Empire hangs in the balance. As the ghosts of Roman emperors whisper – Glory is fleeting.

“The risk of catastrophe will be very high. The nation could erupt into insurrection or civil violence, crack up geographically, or succumb to authoritarian rule. If there is a war, it is likely to be one of maximum risk and effort – in other words, a total war. Every Fourth Turning has registered an upward ratchet in the technology of destruction, and in mankind’s willingness to use it.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning

“History offers no guarantees. Obviously, things could go horribly wrong – the possibilities ranging from a nuclear exchange to incurable plagues, from terrorist anarchy to high-tech dictatorship. We should not assume that Providence will always exempt our nation from the irreversible tragedies that have overtaken so many others: not just temporary hardship, but debasement and total ruin. Losing in the next Fourth Turning could mean something incomparably worse. It could mean a lasting defeat from which our national innocence – perhaps even our nation – might never recover.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning




123 thoughts on “UNFORGIVEN – PART FIVE”

  1. Steve Keen has an interesting perspective on why govt spending has ballooned as of late. He says that politicians always expand public debt to compensate for the expansion of private debt…what do anyone of you think about his theory?

    He suggests instead of austerity and wage cuts that increased wages would help the economy and GDP since more people will have money to spend on paying down debt and purchasing “things”.


  2. How bout debt repudiation at the private level to save the “nation state” at the expense of the banking and financial industries?! They care only about short term financial gains instead of lending to entrepenuers which would encourage, in theory, more manufacturing start ups…the return on investment for these financial oligarchs takes too long! Their greed only lets them see short term! Fuck em! Save the “nation state” instead of the corportacracy!

    I GREAT MOVIE that just came out to dvd recently that discusses this in a “drama-styled” format is “Company Men!” starring Ben Affleck, Tommy Lee Jones, Kevin Costner, and Chris Cooper!

    I’d love to hear other TBPers opinion on this very telling drama.

  3. It goes without saying … another Quinn Masterpiece!!

    I’m sure it will generate at least 20,000+ hits. Only 14 will click on the Ads. CLICK THE ADS … you lazy fuckers!!! It takes just 20 seconds to click 6 links … and it helps Jim.

    Anyway, …. I was hoping for a little more of this type of Call To Action …

  4. “I believe armed vigilantes will hunt down those responsible for the destruction of the American economy and invoke their own justice. Their gated communities and penthouse suite doormen will not protect them. No politician, banker, or corporate executive will be safe.”

    In what is perhaps not a coincidence; this outcome has already come forward via predictive linguistics.

  5. Jim:

    I don’t know how your going to top this series, but I’m sure you will somehow. Brilliant stuff.

    Might I suggest publishing it? You can do so very easily:


    You need to publish it in book form, so we can buy it and read it when the government shuts down the internet (threat of cyber-attacks). At least we’ll be able to have something in our hands besides our dicks. It really deserves publishing.

  6. Jim….I’m part of the “New Middle Class” and we refer to ourselves as “Thousandaires” . We drive Camry’s,eat at Chili’s ( where they hold the best tables for us) vacation at the local beach and buy ammo,silver,food and other goodies waiting for the SHTF day.

  7. You are an excellent writer. Eventually most will come true if you study history. Greece who now is basically bankrupt started the first democracy 2500 years ago and had to then change its style of government when people started voting themselves wealth by taking it from others.

    I am stating this for a reason and it is not to rebutt the writer of this article. I stated this because in our current situation the same thing is going on and as long as this continues to happen the rich will get richer and the middle class will disappear as we are the ones paying for it. I will not see this collapse in my lifetime. The can will continue to be kicked down the road.

    When will this happen? It will happen when there is not much left. It will happen when the people in America can no longer feed their families. It will happen when they lower entitlements and allow the elderly to either move in with their children or basically die off at a certain age.

    Will it be a leader from the middle clss? I am not sure.

    The portion of the article I do take offense too is we tend to blame one political party more then the other and honestly until we can rationally look at both parties equally in the face abd blame both nothing is going to happen in this country. Politicians love to play the sheeple against one another so they can pilfer our wallets and blame the other side for it.

    I feel it will take a long time for the American people to actually wake up. Some already have, but as long as Americans sit in front of the TV and listen to the crap all day long about how good it is or how we are only hitting speed bumps and believe that poo poo nothing will be done.

    I will be honest and tell you I used to buy all the crap. Thus my search began and the financials cannot lie even though the bankers and the elites are trying to hide it. I am worried about this country and until people wake up we are in for worsening times ahead.

  8. GT said “t will happen when there is not much left. It will happen when the people in America can no longer feed their families.”

    GT.. the above statement is already happening. With the SNAP card roll’s at over 44 million people,not being able to feed your family is a reality. The SHTF will be when the roll is reduced by half because the government can’t fund things anymore. Unless you are planing to die within the next 3 years I’d say you’ll see things explode in your lifetime.

  9. @ GT

    I agree with much of what you say but I believe the people waking up will continue to accellerate until a critical mass is reached within 5 years or less. I’m not sure your age but I believe unless you are pushing 113 this realization will be reached in your lifetime. Regardless the time frame, however, we both agree that things are deteriorating more and more rapidly…I do believe that if NFL is locked out for a year that this will increase the speed in which the American people “wake up”…

  10. @RT: You’re obviously a new reader of TBP. There’s nothing really new in this article except for some statistics that are fresh. That’s to be expected and I’ll welcome you to go elsewhere and see if you can get a “different” view on things than is published here on TBP. You will not find another site that covers a wider range of subjects at a deeper level than TBP. It’s a given that there will be repeating data – but that’s a plus. A nail (unless shot by a gun) is not sunk in a timber with one hammer swing.

    You beat the drum and beat the drum and with every beat, perhaps someone new will pick up on the message and think about taking action that will make a difference.

    So read the message and get a list of your local, State and Federal political representatives and forward this article to each and every one of them. Then, when you find another good truth telling article, send it along as well. Write letters to them (hard copy as well as email) and explain why we are going to shit in a hand cart and what they need to do to stop it.

    Use TBP as an information source to spread the word (spreading it is your job!) and don’t bitch the “sameness” because the ass holes doing the destruction are continuing to to the same thing so things just get worse and worse.

    Just do it….


  11. Another awesome work in a fabulous series. The feeling that things are getting hairier and hairier is undeniably strong. As the “season” grows colder and icier, I still have fond hopes of a mild turning. Wishful thinking, I know…

    I shudder to think of the innocent suffering…

    A buddy sent me this hilarious video which, being a joke, I thought of while reading….

    “So let me ask all you ‘priveleged’ folk out there a question… are you now willing to work for food? Hahahahaha….” -Dam Domino Effect & The NWO Soldier.


    Listening to vets coming back to nothing and kids seeing the military as their only way out, the video kind of has it’s sinister ring… but that’s what a good laugh’s made of.

    I hope to God the punchline isn’t too expensive.

  12. “History teaches us that this time isn’t different. We’ve experienced depression, war and social upheaval on an epic scale three times since the founding of this country. With only three data points it is tough to discern patterns that would reveal exactly how this Fourth Turning will play out.”
    ” The Depression/World War II struggle was mainly against an external threat – Germany, Japan, and Italy.”

    That’s how history was written. Or was that the distraction we should look for again?

    Who knows who will write the history of this depression.

  13. Buckhed wrote: I’m part of the “New Middle Class”


    WHAT!!?? Jeez. We haven’t finished killing off the OLD middle class and there’s already a new one popping-up !!??? Amazing how that works.

  14. I started reading this site when the first installment was published so yes I am new. This is not the only site I read. You have to wade thru all the bull puckky at alot of sites.

    I understand all about the Snap program and maybe I did not convey my message in the typed word correctly. I think there will come a time when no amount of public assistance will help. That is when the SHTF. People must eat and as long as the rich and the corrupt politicians can give out food and shelter, not alot fo folks will wake up.

    I agree alot more people are waking up and this summer and fall may wake up alot more after all these weather disasters. Food will be going thru the roof as most flooded areas cannot be used for a year afterwards due to pollution and disease. California closed almost half of its farm land and we are using food for fuel. This last winter screwed up alot of crops and we are now importing food.

    The real reason for all the unrest in the Middle East is food prices and next unemployment.

    The only reason we are in Libya! Libya sent a message to France and Great Briton that they would have to pay for oil in gold. No more Euro or greenbacks taken and wow next week, Nato attacks.

    Not all of us old middle class are dead yet!!!!

  15. We sure do live in a hellish point in history. But its not true that history is cyclical. Our future is in reality predicated on the conscious acts and decisions of individuals, well-informd or not. To say that history is cyclical is to give up on the possibility of a more solid and just social framework, one where massive imbalances would not be expected to occur – in other words, that our world is deterministic.

  16. I wouldn’t weep if Jamie Dimond or even George W. Bush were put in tumbrels and put to death on the Mall. There is much to be atoned for and much that must stay ‘unforgiven’. But history is not a blueprint and, though I’ve long forgotten the writer the thought I’ll never forget, the United States is not an independant country, nor an empire, it is ‘the world’s colony’. Thus I have serious problems with the ‘fourth turning’ though I concede the ‘timing’ part seems self evident.

    The US government does not represent the American people at all. For example, witness the last two major decisions of the Obama Administration, Libya and the release of our oil reserve. These were not the decisions of a sovereign government acting in the interests of its citizens and no claim to that was even made. The massive cruise missile attack on Libya! was undertaken pursuant to a UN resolution at the behest of, essentially, Nicolas Sarkozy of France with David Cameron of the UK
    applying the needed diplomatic pressure. The release of the SPR was a decision taken at the directive of the IEA not the DoE!

    It has long been observed that, eg, the State Department doesn’t represent the American people to the world but, rather, represents the world before the US government and that’s being generous. It often represents no one other than embassy personel stationed abroad as the steady stream of ‘sex for visa’ scandals, lapses in security or piles of US currency turning up missing in foreign airports are
    hushed up.

    For this and another huge reason, the power of the repressive apparatus, I am not as sanguine as to the ability of lowly American citizens to bring to account ‘our’ government even if they awaken and try. The United States Government is the most powerful institution on the planet. It has resources and capabilities no other government has ever had before. Consider the Gestapo. It was once the most feared police force on the planet. At its heart was a massive rolodex in Berlin, a marvel of its time. There little 3X5 cards of every citizen could be referenced and cross referenced and suspicious
    people arrested and packed off to Dachau or Buchenwald with a Teutonic efficiency only the Soviet
    Union would later emulate, in large part because they brought top Gestapo personel to the USSR after the war to ‘modernize’ NKVD methods. Thus the KGB was born. But both organizations are as
    Lindbergh’s ‘Spirit of St. Louis’ is to the Airbus 380 were we to compare the capabilities of Hitler or Stalin’s secret police with the capabilities the US government national security apparatus is able to deploy. If the FBI was once a sleepy back office in the Department of Justice in the 1920’s it grew from battling bankrobbers and bootleggers to an organization Felix Dzerzhinsky or Heinrich Mueller would stand in awe before. And that’s just the FBI! The US government has innumberable other police and intelligence agencies at its disposal. Park Police, Secret Service, DIA, CIA, NSA, BATF etc, etc, and backing it all up is the world’s premier military equipped with the world’s most advanced
    weaponry and surveillance gear. This is not King George III redcoats nor even Lincoln’s Army of the Potomac, it is an exponential Third Reich should it ever be deployed as such.

    As a note aside I felt so sorry for that New Hampshire man who burned himself alive on the door steps of New Hampshire courthouse or the man who flew his plane a few years back into the offices of the IRS in Texas. Brave but futile gestures. My guess is the only way the governmental apparatus we have allowed to be put in place can be brought down is by itself and, mirabile dictu ( and I used that Latinism before Yves) it seems to be happening. A King ultimately has to buy loyalty. When he can no longer afford to pay his retainers they melt away. The FBI or the USMC can’t be beaten by rifle fire from a mob or even a well organized foe. It will only cause these types of forces to raise the stakes and become ever more ruthless but if Agent Martin or Captain Jones is told his pension is forfeit as a result of the strain on the government budget due to the cost of oppressing the people…
    well that is when they stop taking orders from above and start thinking about their own future.

  17. It was interesting to read that Unforgiven was based on a script from the seventies. I’ve always felt (and wanted to ask Eastwood) if the Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven shouldn’t be taken as bookends.

    In Wales, the farmer becomes a fighter and then gravitates back towards his former persona. In Unforgiven, the fighter becomes a farmer and then gravitates back to his former persona. I’ve always been fascinated by that.

    Just watched Gran Torino again recently, which is my favorite movie in the past five years or so. Although time-wise it would be a Silent mentoring a Millenial, by character its really meant to be a Greatest Gen mentoring an X-er, with his stupid-ass Boomer kids on the sidelines. Great film.

    Sorry for the rambling. Great article. Thanks.

  18. Jim…the title “The Unforgiven” can be given to a wide range of subjects and people.

    After viewing the video below I’d say that blacks should give that title to Demorats. Under the Demorats control Jim Crow laws were passed,poll tax and literacy test were established in order to vote,segregation laws were passed making places for whites only;these are a few of the laws etc. that were passed when the Demorats controlled things especially in the South. If I were a black person in the audience when the chief was talking about gun control I’d remind him what happens to blacks when they were unarmed in years past….guys in white sheets show up. I’d remind him that every time a population is disarmed by the folks in power,they then have free reign to slaughter its citizens.

    Too bad blacks don’t recall the past under the rule of the Demorats. Perhaps one day they’ll remember that they sold their votes for scraps from the Demorats tables.

    McCarthy..is a typical gun control idiot.I’d ask if what he plans to do when the mobs in Chicago start shooting unarmed shop owners there. He’s not worried…he carries a gun !


  19. Murder is the most un – natural & abhorrent act a human being can do. Once you get the first one out of the way — the rest are remorseless , robotic and difficult to stop once it begins.

    That being said, you are correct in your analysis and it won’t be 10 or 15 years.

  20. Everyone is too scared to write out an actual hitlist with names on them. Then again, so am I. Not that a public imaginary hitlist would inspire anyone to take grassroots level militia action, but I could really think of a lot of names to be put on there,”Enemies of the American Public, to be Disposed of at Our Leisure.”

    Purpose of the 2nd Amendment is for there to always be an option of creating your own little mini-militia and taking out those who threaten the country, yes? If one could identify specific individuals, and really just put a little bit of thought and time into it, wouldn’t focused violence lead to some real change? Such as… driving the bastards into hiding. Make them unable to fuck with America. Make them feel personal fear, the type where hiring bodyguards does no good, because everyone knows who you are and hates you, and is united in their hatred enough to take you down if you ever expose your physical self to the world at large. Not murder for murder’s sake – killing for the public good. Washing America with a little bit of blood – not much, just enough to feel like our faces don’t have a vampire squid on them. We did that with Osama, and the high lasted a week. The reason for that is that nobody actually gave a fuck. America’s real enemies come from within.

    How do these people still walk the streets? Ivory towers must really be heavily fortified. Where are they hiding? The Internets has the answer, doesn’t it?

  21. Admin Jim,

    Since I am aboard, some of your article are reduntant, but this is the best. It is fresh, bright, and clean, and is a bucket of cold salt water in the face. Have a good vacation and I can’t believe you eat that shit for breakfast, Avalon has taste.

  22. @platoplubius

    Steve Keen is a professor and statist who thinks centralized economies are preferable. How else can he propose to increase wages other than pissing off the private sector while they languish as the public sector gets more money for nothing? Or does he propose setting wage price levels for the private sector to keep up with the public sector? As if minimum wage price fixing has been a resounding sucess. He doesn’t say how this would be done. The only way to increase wages is for the economy and thus margins to improve. To do this, debt must be allowed to deflate not inflate as this joker proposes.

  23. This is a sample of what the mobs will be like when the SHTF….these are also the Unforgiven….I bet they won’t be charged with a hate crime….Where’s Jessie ” Poverty Pimp” Jackson declaring his outraged when blacks attack a white person. Will blacks march on behalf of this kids screaming…”No Justice,No Peace” ? I doubt it.


  24. Jim –

    I think it’d be GREAT if you did an article on cooking, Philly style. What kind of beer goes best with cheesesteaks? Best way to serve eggs with scrapple? mmmmmm…..

  25. The the global economic and environmental collapse is happening at a rapid rate. Most citizens live in a economic and environmental situation they neither comprehend nor gain from. The reality is speculators sow the seeds of their own downfall by bidding up asset values using unsustainable leverage and easy credit, a way of life that becomes entrenched in culture until every idiot out there is certain asset price can’t drop back to past levels and resources can’t run out. Houses prices across the world have risen to levels whereby housing affordability is the worst it has ever been. Governments have a woeful record in providing a fair markets.

    Property markets are in their death throws and things are looking very bad. The irresponsible GFC stimulus simply kicked the can down the road and now the crash will be twice as bad. I expect to see prices down 30-40% within a couple of years. Auction results ( refer http://australianpropertyforum.com/blog/main/3541120 ) have nosedived and stock is building up on the market at a rapid rate. Unless vendors drop prices to meet the market, their homes won’t sell. Simple as that. For the real estate speculators, the party is well and truly over.

    Australian Property Price Crash Forum

  26. Fine work, Jim.

    When you get that puppy done on the createspace operation, I’ll buy multiple copies.

    I had this strange thought, that the people here are a kind of cohort, only spread across time. With individual areas of non-agreement but solid in the core values.

  27. Welp, newsflash………..it isn’t just the rich bankers and the “elite”.

    There were a whole lotta people hanging plasmas, buying BMW’s and purchasing 7 zillion square foot houses on a $15/hour paycheck.

    If I remember correctly, it was Obama and Biden who were pushing hard for the Global Poverty Act back in 2008, at a cost of $845 billion to the taxpayers, (senate bill s.2433). You wanted Hopey & Changey. You got it. I find the whole thing pretty just.

    Like I said, it isn’t just the rich bankers… it’s the Barackster and Company too!

  28. Thinker

    Thanks for all your help with this article. Your ideas about alternating 4th Turnings and the atonement aspects really opened my eyes. I really appreciate your 4th Turning insights.

  29. “The American system of justice in two pix.” —- Surly1

    Nice find. Yup!! That says it ALL !!! Fuck bankers. Here are the pics.


  30. Stuck as Chuang-tzu said….. “A petty thief is put in jail. A great brigand becomes a ruler of a State”.

  31. To my observations over the years the three major developments that has caused the problems we now face were the invention of computers, then the internet, and the cell phone. This caused the centralization of power, curcuit board technology encorporating computers to control mechanical, electrical, administrative, accounting systems from far distances, and the information age that captured the human mind.

    To me the 1960s & 1970s were the best decades because local control still existed and the excessive government policies & regulations along with extensive corporate human resource policies were not yet created. Mind you this was because computer software to do this was not yet created and the internet did not yet exist. Technology was not yet created that replaced so many jobs. Good paying jobs were in plentiful supply and I can remember when a job could be had from a telephone interview.

    Fast forward to today with all our problems caused as a result of corporate monopolies, vast government growth and at the root of these problems is centralized control of everything; it is all due to computers and the internet. Get rid of the computers and the internet and guess what starts to develop? Decentralized control and job growth.

    Mind you I am not down on computers and the internet; I am only pointing out the problem creators in our present society. So to keep these devices which have positive aspects for our society we need a massive mindset change. We also have to eliminate the bad people that are using these systems to control others and steal the productivity of the masses. Greed and fraud is running rampant because human nature is allowed to take advantage in the use of this new technology for its own selfish purposes.

    There is a saying “you don’t miss the water until the well runs dry”. Probably the best thing that can happen is a money failure that will bring the whole system down. It would do two things; wake up the sheeple and bring down those in control. There are two ways to learn; the easy way and the hard way. It looks like the hard way is in order as so many are asleep and the criminals seem to be in control of the system.

    Ever see the movie “a bug’s life”? If you haven’t you should. I think that is the way it is going to go down. The criminals are not going to be redeemed and this movie shows what happens when the people finally wake up as the ants did in this movie.

    I have hope for our future. I think humanity is on the verge of thrilling new discoveries and experiences once we rid ourselves of the criminals running our world governments for their own selfish ends; like war and world domination. The closer we get to collapse of the political and financial system in place to control us the more we should be glad; not fearful. It is not yet time for the people to act; other than to wait for the failure of these systems. Once this happens we can clean house. Prior to this time we have to wait because these criminals have prepared massive police forces of people with no conscience; trained to control us. When these systems break down these forces become useless.

    We are dealing with criminal gangs that have taken over government. They are using our resources against us. But at the right time they will be no match for the people when we act together. The time is close; so be patient and be happy.

  32. T-Bird —– Lovely rant about computers!! So true.

    I heard this quote just yesterday on Criminal Minds;

    “The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn’t understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had.”

    Just one nice little EMP Blast will fix all that for ya ………………


  33. Nice Admin but would we not be better off to abolish all corporate taxes on manufacturing and construction in order to eliminate the pass down in cost to us and to spur capital spending withing our borders on plant and equipment? And would that encourage foreign corporations to invest here? Am I off base ?

    1. cv51

      You can make the corporate tax rate 0% and it is still 10 times cheaper to make something in China or India or Bangledesh.

  34. that’yll fix a lot more than the internets, stuck.

    nice finish, admin. i thoroughly enjoyed this series of articles, and have shared them liberally (heh).

  35. Good article, liked the analogies. Always a sucker for a good Western.

    Haven’t had the pleasure yet of examining author’s article how my generation ruined America (Baby Boomers)…but will after I am finished here.

    Now a few observations: When the author says the government should level with American people and tell them the “entitlements they were promised aren’t going to be there”…then berates the level of savings in the days leading up to the economic calamity….I need to ask: is author advocating we should have stopped paying FICA and placed our “savings” when “taking care of ourselves” into banks paying virtually zero interest?

    Fact is, what we “were promised” is nothing more than our savings spent by corrupt politicians…has absolutely nothing to do with the veracity of soundness of the system when not criminally manipulated. It is a fine system, well-funded when not looted. Worked as planned.

    Unlike the author and the billionaire Koch brothers and billionaire Pete Peterson, the American public like it just fine, and think the cap on contributions should not only be removed entirely, but made retroactive until ways to refund what was stolen are found and Trust Fund is replenished…and benefits doubled.

    Now, this “Keynesian spending” the Liberal Democrats have been supposedly doing….where? When? I do not recall Keynesian spending meant forking over government largesse for banker’s bonuses and their garbage paper “assets”….I recall it was to spend on job creation, public works programs….which leads to last observation: Obama is in thrall to Wall Street from their campaign contributions said to total $70 million in 2008.

    Hence his war-mongering and kowtowing to DOD demands, his reliance on the Fed to supply monetary policy, his subservience to NY Bankers….this is termed a fascist.

    Not socialist, for author’s edification. Socialism is not Obama. Obama is not a socialist.

    1. farang

      Adding 30 million people to the healthcare system without paying for it is socialist. Keynesianism is spending $800 billion on stimulus, $27 billion on home buyer tax credits and 50 other worthless bullshit programs. You reveal that you are an ideologue incapapable of removing your blinders to see the truth. You’re just another douchebag liberal.

  36. “Americans are sick of being the world’s policeman.”

    Hallelujah! Amen, amen, amen!

    Late to every party, they’ve finally caught up with how the rest of the world feels!

    Sorry for that euro-weenie outburst… I love the rest of the article (well, the whole series actually) and wish you all well over there, even whilst celebrating the width of the Atlantic. I can assure you it’s not just cranky Repugs dreaming of American Isolationism 😉

  37. @ Flash – It is interesting to note that La Raza was funded by the Ford Foundation whose former president famously told the Reece Committee of 1952 that the goal of their organization:

    He said that the Ford Foundation operated under directives which “emanate from the White House,” and that the “substance of the directives under which we operate is that we shall use our grant-making power so to alter life in the United States that we can be comfortably merged with the Soviet Union.”

    La Raza is really financed by the banksters – their website is proudly supported by Citibank!

  38. Everytime i see president Obama try to talk,or Joe Bidden open his mouth i just know were screwed.I try to imagine millions of angry unemployed people and all the returning vets from iraq and Afganistan its gonna get ugly.

  39. Once the Rule of Law has been nuked out of an economy and a society it becomes very difficult if not impossible to restore it. Once a country hits the thirld world floor it tends to stay there – Look at Latin America, the Middle East, Africa.

    My prediction for the future of the United States – Corporate Feudalism for the masses with smiley faced Fascism for all. Imagine Argentina “supersized”. Yes we can and it is certainly change.

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  41. I like most of it, but the medical industry fraud has been totaling ignored – YET AGAIN! This is a great deal of the problem that we’re having now. No other institution has gotten more for so little. Please, for your diety’s sake, don’t whine for cannibas.

    Also, the quote from “Glory is fleeting” is part of the problem. You’ve been fed lies, bigotry, hate and an apparent rewrite of history – Fueling the hate against the elderly and disabled does not put you in the field of fighting for “justice”. If you haven’t been paying attention, many of us have ALREADY been stripped of our life saving, our retirements, our livelyhood and any other way to survive. The holocaust isn’t so day – it’s NOW. If you’re for justice your missing the boat.

    Hate against women doesn’t give you any points either. Yes, some extremely young, good-lookin’ woman have gotten off with murder, with nothing more deadly weapon than the way they bend over – please don’t condemn half the population for the outrageous behavior of a few.

  42. Indeed

    I don’t think you are a nutjob or a douchebag. But thats the norm around here.

    Still, I have no fucking idea what you are saying.

    Just try to clarify.

    Try again!

  43. I just checked my Amazon account. A few more people will be better prepared for the Fourth Turning as 19 people bought the book in the last two days.

    The Fourth Turning is by far the largest selling item through my Amazon button, with over 160 copies bought.

  44. Admin: I’ll be buying a load of “Fourth Turnings” for Christmas for friends and family alike. I was thinking if I am forced to buy new textbooks and can’t skate with used versions, I’ll hit your link.

    I think we’re in for a real doozy these next few years… I can’t shake that feeling lately. I don’t see the correct choices to deal with our seemingly insurmountable issues being made. I’m normally pretty optimistic in general too! I’ve been loving Thinker’s insights and links lately, but they scare the shit out of me simultaneously.

    Every millenial I know is getting restless as life is giving them a real kick in the nuts. Good, smart kids too. It’s a shame. Haha att a bbq yesterday they were pissed for not telling them about this site. I told them I found a great boomer-ripping site and they got wild-eyed. I didn’t tell them my handle but I’mm sure that when they’re done being hung-over they’ll visit. Seriously, everyone I show this site and talk turnings with enjoy… from all stripes and walks of life, but mostly the 20-somethings.

    1. Colma

      I appreciate the word of mouth. The millenials are the ones being screwed. I started this site as a way to try and help my three millenials have a chance at a decent life. I saw thousands of millenials this weekend as Wildwood held its annual Beach Blast soccer tournament. They set up 70 soccer fields across our enormous beach and millenials played soccer all weekend. There are millions of good kids that are starting life with no chance at a better life than we’ve had. As more and more graduate college with $100,000 in debt and no jobs, the tipping point will get closer.

  45. Colma

    I’m sure Admin appreciates your word-of-mouth campaign for this site. New blood is always appreciated, even “indeed.”

  46. I am greatful that I stumbled upon this site. I will become a regular.

    I am a not retired Baby Boomer and a truth seeker, rather than a comfort seeker. Circumstances have me living in Fiji. I did not come here with the intention od staying here seven years ago. But living outside of the propaganda bubble which engulfs the U.S. has helped me find more truth than what was otherwise possible.

    I speak freely and have no intention of returning to the States. I think that there will be a catastophic collapse accompanied by riots and horror. I have looked for some way to fix the problems but I do not believe they are fixable from withing the failed system now in place. I regret to say that it is inevitable.

    The only thing I can do now is to adopt a survivalist position and hope to speak truthfully.

    Although I do not agree with every post, they seem to be posted by people who are actually using their brains and reason. This makes them worth reading.

    The article itself was extremely good. I do believe in the principle of individualism, and dispute calls for collectivism and self sacrifice for a mythical greater good.

    The true graeter good will come from individuals.

  47. Hey Fiji-boy… nice comment, no complaints about that, but you’re logged in AND using my name! Must be a WP glitch, but correct it!

  48. Admin: I’ll spread the word for what its worth and forward articles… I can only imagine what my friends would dare say.

    Just keep the site a goin’ and growing. It’s waking people up.

    Here, I’ll click some more accountant ads haha!

  49. Colma – what say write your next article in English that we old farts recognize. My brain hurts two sentences in when reading your stuff. That said, keep them coming.

  50. Excellent piece!!! Your analog “Unforgiven” does the story and our present situation justice. And believe me, we could use a little.

    “History offers no guarantees.” -4th turning

    As Alexis de Tocqueville said “In a revolution, as in a novel, the most difficult part to invent is the end.” JFK was more terse in stating “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

    “There Are Monsters, And They Walk Among Us.” – Jesse’s Café Américain


    In a piece called “Gold Daily and Silver Weekly Charts – Ron Paul’s Gold Hearing – Rapists and Sociopaths” at Jesse’s Café Américain, Jesse ponders:

    “how the monied interests muddle through the latest series of crises and opportunities to fleece the public on the cheap. There will be no reform until the looters are satiated, and the politicians get paid.”


    Contemplating manipulation of markets and the precarious condition of many asset classes Jesse’s remarks (see below) lend support to an Inflection Point theme; while “We The People” struggle to maintain the American Dream a clan of sociopaths have taken the reigns of our most important government and financial institutions. And their insatiable greed is destroying us.


    “How could I have done this? I was making a lot of money. I didn’t need the money. Am I a flawed character?”

    “I realized from a very early stage that the financial market is a wholly rigged job. There’s no chance that investors have in this market.”

    “It’s unbelievable. Goldman– no one has any criminal convictions. The whole new regulatory reform is a joke. The whole government is a Ponzi scheme.”

    Bernie Madoff

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.”

    John Dalberg Lord Acton

    “I preyed upon the weak, the harmless and the unsuspecting. This lesson I was taught by others : Might makes right.”

    Carl Panzram, serial killer

    “I was completely swept along with my own compulsion. I don’t know how else to put it. It didn’t satisfy me completely so maybe I was thinking another one will. Maybe this one will, and the numbers started growing and growing and just got out of control, as you can see.”

    Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer

    Not all sociopaths wield knives and knotted cords. Some wear suits, and are exceptionally intelligent and articulate, obsessively driven, and are able to use and undermine the law and the rules for their advantage, like weapons. It is never about the win, never about the money. It is about the kill, the expression of their hatred, about elevating themselves with the suffering of others.

    Bind, torture, kill. Not only with ropes and knives, but also with power and money, and the subversion of law. Lawlessness is their addiction, their will to power.

    In the end what they want is to fill the hole in their being, which has tormented them from childhood, by destroying others, and to differentiate themselves from all those other lower being whom they hold in contempt. They find no commonality with human happiness and the normal life, because of the hatred they have for themselves, and their sense of alienation from all that is human. Their compulsion is to rape and destroy.

    When societies become lax and complacent, these sociopaths can possess great political power through great amounts of unprincipled money. And over time they become almost anti-human, destroyers of all that is good, all that is life, all that offends their insatiable sickness with its goodness. They twist the public against itself, and turn a broad sweep of society into their killing grounds.

    This is the undeniable lesson of the last century. There are monsters, and they walk among us.

    Jesse’s conclusion brings to mind: “The Banality of Evil” described in the book “Triumph of the Market”. The concept is a cogent argument of how good people; employees and bureaucrats are “normalized” into a system doing the unthinkable (see below). Keeping this in mind consider a Propagandized Nation Of Craven Sheeple; effectively trapped by the system and Citizen Patriots who; without critical thought, believe their government’s policies are righteous.

    A moment of thoughtful meditation on our country’s current path and the conclusion becomes patently clear. It’s policies are for the benefit of a few at the expense of the many. Through ‘bought and paid’ for government “valets” the banality of evil is waged on all fronts, some overt, others more subtle. As Jesse instructs, “There will be no reform until the looters are satiated, and the politicians get paid.” And, the very survival of the republic hangs in the balance!

    The Two Party Oligopoly – Bought And Paid For

    Now ask yourself; under these conditions Can The Current System Right Itself? The conclusion again is obvious. And there’s nothing new here. The bane of Man’s evolution is the struggle between a desire for self government and those who seek power and control.

    Historically the driving force for change/evolution/revolution comes from an educated middle class. With our very liberty and economic station under siege this is a clarion call for restructuring. Freedom is won by individuals taking a stand en masse and demanding it. Without our physical participation (real democracy in action) demanding social justice, economic freedom (true free market capitalism) and the Rule Of Law, that makes it all happen, we must expect the continued rape of the republic and the new word order of debt slavery economics. – IP

    For keen insight into the economy, markets & the Human condition visit Jesse’s Café Américain See: Gold Daily and Silver Weekly Charts – Ron Paul’s Gold Hearing – Rapists and Sociopaths

    Only through unity is there a chance to bring down a culture of Sociopathic leadership. – Inflection Point

    Featuring: “Us and them” – Pink Floyd, “Welcome to the Plutocracy!” – Bill Moyers and “The Banality of Evil” read the rest of: “There Are Monsters, And They Walk Among Us.” – Jesse’s Café Américain here:


    “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power….Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship…. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”

    – O’Brien to Winston: George Orwell “1984”

    Visit: Inflection Point – http://notionalvalue.blogspot.com/

  51. Jesus Jim, after taking a break for a year, and coming back – I still find you running your gums on Strauss & Howe? You’ve made a whole business here on WTSHTF – somewhat like that end-of-days preacher in Cali. And I ain’t buying a fucking coffee mug from Amazon!

    At least Stuck is still here.

    What do you think of Bachmann? Didn’t we argue over the fact that us conservatives have no room for a 3rd party, and that we need to steer the GOP to conservativism? Are you still a fan of T Boone’s plan and his hopes for corporate welfare?

    You must love Obama’s little Libya adventure. What a scum bag. All the best, Daniel

    1. Daniel

      Has it been a year? I hadn’t noticed. Are you still making America safe from Muslims. Bachmann should be in an insane asylum. Who are you and Freesmith supporting? I’m sure they fit the standard NEO-CON mold. Are you still convinced that drilling in Alaska will solve our oil problem? Interesting you are gone a year and the entire world has gone revolutionary and our economy is heading into the abyss, but you are still too myopic to see that Strauss & Howe are dead on. I guess linear thinkers will never get it.

  52. No to worry, now New York has solved the most urgent crisis issue: same sex marriage,
    progress is on the way, now we just have to tackle the national debth which must be much easier than the first one,
    I am glad to see New Yorkers are setting their priorities right!
    Have a great summer!

  53. @Nils Ankarcrona

    Americans have been taking it up the ass for decades and most seem OK with it..We’re all gays now.

  54. llpoh

    (I think this thread is played out but what the hell … ) Speak for yourself, old fart. I had no problem with Colma’s style. You might recall your mentoring advice not to waste time with fiction; maybe you should have broadened your horizons, just a thought.


    You ain’t from around here are, yuh?
    As for ‘rewrite of history’ … if you still believe in the myths you were taught in government school, you have a real epiphany ahead of you — your mission, if you choose to accept it …

    Instead of pissing and moaning about one SIF * topic, you might learn to *focus*. And instead of moaning about your plight, you might have some consideration for the millienals, and give thanks to your deity of choice that you weren’t born into that cohort. Btw, I’m a Silent. Also … “If you’re for justice your missing the boat.” (First ‘you’re’ is correct, next ‘your’ should also be ‘you’re [contraction for ‘you are’, see? If/then structure for noun/verb parallel.] And what is cannibas, sounds like something my dog would like.

    * SIF [Single Issue Fanatic]

  55. I think Bachmanns parochial interests make her unelectable to higher office. In fact I think she has hit her ‘peter principle’ level.

    The Peter Principle states that “in a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence”, meaning that employees tend to be promoted until they reach a position at which they cannot work competently. It was formulated by Dr. Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull in their 1969 book The Peter Principle, a humorous [1] treatise which also introduced the “salutary science of hierarchiology.”

  56. Jim, no worries. S&H always did say you “got” their work (and its implications) better than most. If I can be the guy in the background tossing a few thoughts around for you to work your magic on, all the better.

    Colma, sorry to scare you, son… but I am glad that you’re preparing as a result. That will serve you well in the coming years. We need more like you.

  57. http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/06/bachmann-says-she-has-the-spirit-of-john-wayne-gacy/
    Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann was surely confused Monday when she suggested she had the “spirit” of a serial killer.

    “Well what I want them to know is just like, John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too,” she told Fox News prior to the official announcement of her candidacy in Waterloo

    *Palm Face*

    Im not sure what spirit Bachmann is channeling the ‘Killer Clown’ John Wayne Gacy, born in Chicago, Illinois or movie star Marion Morrison [John Wayne] born in Winterset Iowa….

    Anyway, I wonder if she really meant her spirit was like that of Christian psychic Edgar Cayse

  58. I think that Strauss and Howe are right on. At this point I think that the country is much too far gone to save. We’re going over the falls and into the abyss. But what’s on the other side? My only hope is that there are a handful of wise people who will help us rebuild the idea of America from the ashes of our republic turned democracy.

    Most current observers shy away from what comes after the collapse of the economy, because it will be pretty brutal. Doug Casey is planning to sit it out in Argentina, Gonzalo Lira lives outside the US. At the same time, however, Gonzalo thinks that food storage and the bunker mentality is a waste. But not everyone will leave, even if it is the smartest move. It’s difficult to uproot yourself when your personal identity is so connected with a patch of soil.

    I think that a civil war is the most likely outcome. I’m not sure what the fault lines will be. At the moment it looks like conservatives vs. liberals, but that can easily change. Even the conservatives in this country are generally in favor of “limited socialism”, it’s just that their pet projects are different than the liberals. Neither group is interested in a principled stand on individual responsibility. The conservatives favor the militarization of their local police force because they feel that they are enforcing laws that they agree with, without questioning whether the law itself is moral. They decry Bernie Madoff’s ponzi scheme but wholeheartedly support Social Security. The liberals want a country modeled after Europe. On the surface these views are fundamentally at odds, even though at core they are really two sides of the same coin.

    There are two roads to the coming collapse, one is hyperinflation and the other is deflation. We are absolutely headed for hyperinflation, as long as a sudden deflationary event isn’t severe enough to create immediate chaos first. Like an airplane with limited fuel, it will eventually land if it doesn’t crash first! I think that the answer to both is the same. The best choice is to get out of Dodge, but if you can’t afford it or are unwilling, the next best answer is hard assets; Gold, Silver, food, ammunition and a plan. You should plan for hyperinflation but hedge against a sudden catastrophic failure.

    My concern with deflation is not its monetary aspect. I don’t worry that a dollar will be able to buy ten gallons of gas. My concern is that the institutions that everyone depends on for daily life can be wiped out in hours. If banks, insurance companies and large corporations are forced to stop operations suddenly and without warning, the trucks could stop rolling. If the trucks stop rolling for more than 3 days, riots and chaos on a massive scale will be the result.

    Hyperinflation leads us to the same conclusion but over a slightly longer time-span. Typically 2-3 years before all hope is lost and chaos results. The fact that we are the world’s reserve currency may either accelerate or slow the process. If the world suddenly dumps dollars, it could lead to sudden, catastrophic inflation. At present, however it seems to go in fits and spurts. First on this side of the pond, then in Europe. The response is always the same: Print more money! If this continues, we’ll see an ever shortening time between crises, until they all get synced and become simultaneous events.

    Just for good measure, our foreign adversaries will be facing much the same pressure at home. You can’t lose the largest market in the world without damaging every other economy in the world. Their governments will be keen to avoid riots leading to regime change and will likely point the finger at Americans as the culprits. If America descends into chaos, these vultures will eventually want a piece of the spoils, if for no other reason than to deflect internal criticism and give the peasants something to do. Once our infighting has left us vulnerable, we will likely face a foreign threat.

    This is what I expect over the next 10-15 years. On the other side of that, I expect that America will be reborn, that a new nation will emerge, rededicated to the forgotten principles that created it in the first place. I think that what we really need to do, instead of wringing our hands about the coming conflict is to assume that what will survive will be those people who will have gained a new appreciation for the genius of our founders and the follies that have brought us to the brink of disaster.

    What I think we should be doing is study everything we can about how to rebuild our economic and political systems. An economic system based on hard currency, one that will be more resistant to the influences of central banking and of fractional reserve banking. We need to understand the institutions that previously existed, which provided the flexibility that a growing economy needs even when it is based on an inflexible gold standard.

    I think the ideas of Antal Fekete could provide a starting point for that discussion. I think we need to examine and understand the Real Bills doctrine. I think that we need to be ready to create institutions which will allow for their circulation. Only if we prepare ourselves with this knowledge, will we will be able to create a strong enough economy, from the ashes of a civil war, to defeat those cynical interests which are hoping to institute a world-wide fiat currency . No one living has any experience with a gold standard and people want the familiar. If we do not prepare ourselves with better ideas, the people will demand that we replace one tyrant with another, for that is all they know.

    We need to review the Constitution and throw out those parts which do not protect and reinforce those that rest on natural law and individual property. We need to restrict the government from usurping our responsibilities as well as our rights.

    When the French Revolution started, the people had high hopes, but without direction, evil men took the reins and led them into a blind alley. We must resolve to do better.

  59. Nihilism at its finest! So what is anyone doing about it? Huh, folks? I hope y’all are growing and storing food, reskilling, building your communities, etc. You can’t eat revenge.

    Oh, and one other thing. What do “ultra-liberal Democrats… pushing for gay marriage…” have to do with the price of tea in China? Careful, your prejudice is showing.

  60. RickG:

    I think that by asking: ” What do “ultra-liberal Democrats… pushing for gay marriage…” have to do with the price of tea in China?” you’re COMPLETELY missing the point which is that these Hot-Button topics are irrelevant when you can’t eat. That’s what it has to do with prices of Tea in China. It means that your eye is being taken off the ball.

    Focus, RickG… Focus.

    Yeah “Prejudice”… against fucking morons.

  61. I just saw the movie “Bad Teacher”. It reminds me of the movie “Unforgiven” simply for its shock value morals. That moral being the fact that Bad Guys win! Several movies have explored the dark motivations of people who do bad things to get ahead. I believe that is why this aspect of the media is so prevalent today. Big corporations are not led by wonderfully proportioned human beings, but by individuals who took some one else’s ideas, while completely eliminating their competition. They have adept skills at moving their money around while hiding it from Federal agents and Ex-Wives. Their success is born out of revenge and slander for anyone who might impede their progress. To understand how dark their motivations are, you must first see the entire playing field is of a like mind. Thus, the CEOs are incredibly diverse, evil and kings of the hill. They got there because they were the best. When these giants fall, it is only because another evil twin is making his/her move. This reflects what is wrong with America. And is the real cause of hatred for America around the world. I also believe that people who immigrate, are coming to America because they know that, one day, they can take that CEOs job from him. After all, its not the best or brightest who lead us, it is the unforgiven survivors of evil that lead us.

  62. Rocky: That may be true…. but the vilest of the vile enter politics: Outright knocking out the competition, whoring for other’s money, tipping the scales toward their buddies and inflicting State Sanctioned Violence with little or no skin in the game… At least business produces. If you’re not incorporated, you can loose everything. If you are, you lose a measured part.

    If you’re in Politics or government you lose nothing… or more often than not… gain a a little somethin’ somethin’ for nuttin’.

    Worth some thought.

  63. Colma Rising:

    I see your point. But by the same token this entire article–well-researched and presented as it is–is just as irrelevant as ultra-liberal Democrats pushing gay marriage. That’s why I asked if everyone is growing their own food. I sure hope so. Are YOU?

    I know too many folks who spend their precious time and energy whining and complaining in the blogosphere instead of DOING something constructive. It’s a kind of addiction (and one that I admit succumbing to on more than one occasion.) And it’s a substitute for constructive action. It’s far less work sitting on one’s butt in front of a computer screen all day than double digging your garden bed.

  64. Brad, who are you talking to in your post?

    If it is to the general commentary, I think most here have read some Thomas E. Woods, Jr. I also think most here understand the feature article (have you read the first four parts?) is using a Hollywood fucking movie as a metaphor for a potential real-life outcome. Do you understand what a metaphor is?

    Have you ever been to a movie? Can you differentiate a film story as both fiction and a modern myth that transcends ‘historical truth’? Maybe you’ve read Homer in the original (how’s your Etruscan accent?) Surely you can perceive the parallels between “The Tempest” and “Forbidden Planet” or “King Lear” and Akira Kurosawa’s “Ran”?

    Or maybe you’re a literalist, a linear brain that believes the bibl can only be the Word of God given to us directly with no interpretation necessary, unlike movies and metaphor. (OK, I can grok that, and a Supreme Being would certainly be conversant with American English of the 21st C.)

    But let us suppose you’re the typical Pilgrim, wandering the world looking for answers. Tsk tsk. No easy answers here. Questions and hypotheses weighted and flayed here, on a regular basis. Like the Lenox Globe (c. 1503) :”hic sunt dracones”:. Not to worry, with any luck at all Dr. Pangloss will turn u to assuage your qualms.

  65. RickG, stick around awhile. You’ll see that most TBP regulars ARE doing something. There are extreme preppers here, people who’ve moved their assets overseas, people who are active in local politics and, yes, gardeners. They even know how to can/preserve (gasp!).

    This is not your typical whiny, doomsaying blog. There’s plenty of doom, but there’s plenty of action, too.

  66. Ah, RickG

    Colma rather well answered your initial foray. I would have said something like “It’s not prejudice, it’s *fucking priorities*, fuckchop.”

    As for the current article (5th of a series, y’know) it’s not irrelevant to someone who is not up to speed. And since I can grow my own food, have done on two continents and now four states of the second one, it’s time for you to show some cards, eh? I’ll bid, putting in a bore, a rainwater tank, learned how to make soap (and candles) , can extract salt from seawater nearby (good barter substance!) with a homemade solar still, which also can provide a certain amount of emergency potable water; barter goods including premium items ( survival only goes so far, then someone will want the goodies they miss) ; jumped through the hoops here to get the firearms license, bought a 30-30 rifle and can, if need be, convert a wallaby into useful calories.

    So, I’ve shown you (some of mine), you turn, show us what ya got.

  67. Rick G: What Novista and Thinker say is true… (Though I’m jealous Novista… Oz keeps sounding better and better).

    Yes, I grow food… year round in sandy soil, too. Could I survive off that alone… maybe. After all, Brocolli, carrots and spinach are pretty good nutritional crops. Protein? Well, there’s the ocean but that’ll be a war zone when the shelves empty. Backup plan: A french guy brought escargo snails here to farm them and they escaped. The little bastards come for my garden all the time. I don’t eat that shit, but if worst comes to worst I’ll throw some chewy nuggets in my salad.

    Funny how a nice rotation on a small patch produces a salad for me and my girl almost daily. Just cut and pluck when the mood strikes. Water? It drenches everything daily from the fog. Laugh, but I guarantee you it does!

    As for whining on a blog… I work in the trades and go to college both full-time. I excercise daily and train often to keep the old chops up. I love reading and writing. I love learning. I also love this website. All of the above make the beer taste great.

    An interesting collection of rabble who all have their own worldview but somehow coalesce. If you detect bigotry, call it out, but be prepared for a fight. Nobody disrespects someone who stands their ground or cedes, but just don’t play out of a talking-points pamphlet. The Admin is awesome. He can be crabby, but that just shows he’s for real. The world desperately needs to get real.

    This is The Burning Platform. Wear asbestos accordingly.

  68. I love your blog and interesting viewpoints, many of which I believe are correct. However, this fetish for Strauss and Howe and their mediocre book (I’m about four chapers in and they are still justifying the reasons they choose FOUR to be the number for……everyfriggingthing!) is a bit limiting for your analyses.

    A better source to draw from would be Tainter’s “Collapse of Complex Societies”.

    Further reasons we are in this mess can be found in “The Bell Curve”, and Derbyshire’s “We are Doomed”.

    Peak Oil it total horseshit. If oil production has experienced a recent peak and is now declining, it’s because the Watermelons (enviro on the outside and commie inside) have taken over the regulation of the industry. Saturn’s moon Titan is almost totally made of hydrocarbons. Was it an iron core literally covered with dinosaurs like a spare rib tossed onto a fire ant mound? If dinosaurs made the oil, how were ANY dinosaurs trapped in the LaBrea Tar Pits? How was vegetable matter from the dinosaur age formed into coal and all the animals into oil in a totally different location? Why do “dry” oil wells refill after a little time? WE HAVE PRIMORDIAL OIL PRODUCED WITHIN THE EARTH! DUH!

    Don’t drink the Kool-Aid, dude. If an environmentalist tells you anything, believe the opposite.

    As for Eastwood, I love that stuff. When TSHTF, “To Hell with those pilgrims. Worms and possums gotta eat, too.” will be a most useful philosophy, I’m afraid.

    Keep up the good work!

    1. ed

      Your abiotic oil bullshit clearly puts you in the nutjob category. It’s a big club and you are as good as anyone to represent.

  69. charles murray ES. one of the biggest pieces of caca ever dressed up and presented as intellectual output ever foisted on us. i know which end of the bell curve he crawled out from.

    derb, on the other hand, is quite bright, widely experienced and an original thinker. i often enjoy his point of view, even (especially?) when i disagree. i’ve been meaning to pick up his book since it came out a couple of years ago.

  70. “We need to review the Constitution and throw out those parts which do not protect and reinforce those that rest on natural law and individual property”


  71. ed

    Your comment on “Watermelons” (enviro on the outside, commie on the inside) peaked my interest. Tell us more. Try to set aside any comments about the Fourth Turning and abiotic oil. You’ll ruin Admin’s visit to the Jersey shore.

  72. Mon Dieu!

    Mention three good books which offer other viable reasons/contributing factors we are in this mess, no comments.

    Question the local orthodoxy and garner ad-hominem attacks, first refuge of Luddites. Okay, I give up. Your sixth grade science teacher knew it all about oil. That’s why their worktime was spent with a few dozen juveniles instead of being involved in actually producing oil, since babysitting while droning the indoctrinating drivel from a textbook is so much more rewarding.

    Now I’m requested to explain how the environmental movement was created by and is controlled by militant Leftists? Observing their actions, listening to their goals and reviewing their hoplophobic statements from a few years ago and comparing them to what actually happened is not enough to convince you? May I mention another book?

    “A Conservative History of the American Left” by Daniel J. Flynn starts at Plymouth Rock and goes through today listing every CHARLEY FOXTROT caused by leftist thinkers and their useful idiots. It would be a tough read for some here, as well as most of those on the Jersey Shore.

    I’m just glad the Admin is there. If he went to San Diego, one of those naturally occurring tar balls (in an area the Watermelons won’t allow drilling) from that oil we don’t have might touch his skin.

    1. ed

      You abiotic nutjobs are just like the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs. Never a fact to back up your bullshit. NEVER.

      Please provide your facts and I will debate you. Otherwise, keep spewing drivel.

  73. Ed said:

    “That’s why their worktime was spent with a few dozen juveniles instead of being involved in actually producing oil, since babysitting while droning the indoctrinating drivel from a textbook is so much more rewarding.”

    I see, Ed, that you must be a professor of geology, judging your liberal use of a thesaurus. I imagine a pipe, pursed in your thin, quivering lips, puffing away as you point out a scientifically accepted work wherein the theory of abiotic oil is laid out with duplicable experiments that conclusively show a rapid replenishment of lite-sweet, shattering that silly assumption that oil consumption has rapidly increased while production has decreased.

    Being a genius and learned professor of Geology, you say “When I’ve come across a tar ball on the beach, being a genius, I deduced that the beach must be expelling such from the sand as the petroleum perculated from the bowels of the earth, with it’s specific gravity obviously
    allowing for it’s natural stratification! The thought that the continental shelf off the coast of California, when exposed due to lowered sea levels during the glacial period approximately 20,000 years ago, accumilated massive amounts of fossilized carbons, is a silly hypothesis put forth by those uneducated purveyors of limited supply theories. There couldn’t possibly be shallow wells excreting petroleum off the coast!”

    Hey Ed… you’re waaay too smart for us on this site. My head hurts from your big words!

    Hahahahaha…. fuck off, you condescending retard.

  74. ed

    Calling folks here Luddites is not useful. Then again, your statement that “If an environmentalist tells you anything, believe the opposite” IS useful. Where are you coming from on energy? That is the question.

  75. i commented, ed. i guess if you don’t like the comment, you don’t count it. i’ll rephrase.

    one good book (collapse of complex societies). one crap book (bell curve) that is a fucking joke. one book i have no idea (derb’s we are doomed), but i gave my view of the old conservative codger (smart dude, unique thinker). i’ll probably pick it up (i meant to when it came out, forgot about it.)

    and i’ll simply repeat. charles murray ES.

  76. Ed

    Don’t be discouraged. You hang in there. Remember … folks were once put to death for saying the world is ROUND …. PREPOSTEROUS!!!! …. “evil sinner” … followed by prison or death. Such are the reactions when long-held “truth” is questioned.

    I’m not totally sold on abiotic oil. Too many questions.

    Then again, the folks who say oil comes from Barney the dinosaur and/or a bunch of carrots and trees have never made a convincing case either. How many Dino’s does it take to make trillions and trillions of barrels of oil? Ha! And why isn’t there oil in Greenland (which was once a lush tropical landmass)?

    Lastly, even if oil is abiotic …. that does not necessarily help humanity. No one knows how fast new oil is being produced, where it is being produced, etc etc.

    The point is you can be an Abiotic Oil believer …. and not be mocked …. as long as you still believe we are DOOMED …. FUCKIN’ DOOMED!!

    Keep preaching brutha.

  77. howard in nyc, thanks for the shout-out. Sorry I missed it the first time. Two out of three ain’t bad.

    I humbly suggest Colma Rising begin to actually USE a thesaurus for its intended purpose. My exposure to your writing style is limited, but thesauri actually DO have a purpose other than boosting your runty body up in the chair so you can reach the keyboard, and could help with the acute-onset Tourette’s syndrome. How old are you? I guess about 48….months.

    StuckinNJ, we ARE doomed. We are doomed from so many fronts at the same time; politically, socially and economically, that at LEAST one will hit us in the near future. Didn’t I suggest reading “We are Doomed”?

    As for my background, I am a Mechanical Engineer with experience in manufacturing, mining, construction, and a little bit in the oil business. There is at least one current US patent out there floating around with my real name on it! If it uses wheels and a spark plug, I have raced it……except for Northeastern Modifieds, but I digress. I have burned (or attempted to) more different fuels in internal combustion engines during research in college and at the race track than most folks know exist. I am toward the older end of the Nomad generation.

    I am NOT an Organic Chemist or Geologist, but I can walk to the back of the house right now and talk with a Biochemist, and she’ll let me if I promise to fix her coffee in the morning.

    SSS, here is my take on energy. We do not have an energy crisis, but crises of politics and policy, education, and critical thinking. This nation could be pretty much self-sufficient in energy in five to ten years if the legal hurdles were dropped a bit, and environmental/regulatory hoplophobias were countered with reason.

    First of all, we must embrace the NEW generation of thorium based nuclear power for our electricity generation, keeping our gas turbines and hydropower for peak shaving purposes. Second we take all this coal we have been burning for electricity and catylyze synthetic petroleum to meet our transportation and chemical supply needs not covered by domestic oil production. Best of all, during this process more pollution can be contained than through post-combustion technology. Sounds so simple, until some organization of Watermelons (environmental “interests”) go to court, talking “science” with and through lawyers, thus getting the Nanny Staters all riled up thinking there might be some votes and power in all this.

    In the late seventies (under JIMMY CARTER for Pete’s sake!) the thought/fear that the USA might actually start coal liquifaction helped hedge the power grab of OPEC. It stabilized the price of oil in the $40 range, which at that time was the break-even price point of coal liquifaction. That price also justified oil companies to drill where it had not been previously economically viable, leading to a near 20 year price slide. Coal liquifaction is NOT a new process. V-E day would have been in 1943 or so if the Germans had not invested in this technology.

    Admittedly, coal, oil and nuclear are extractive types of energy, and any believer in the concept of entropy knows we will eventually run out. I’m just trying to get us by for the next 300 years or so until we can get off this rock and start screwing up a whole ‘nother place.

    As for PROVING abiotic oil exists, that can not be done here any more than it can be proved that ALL oil is biotic in origin. Let’s stop with the oil and call it what it is, a hydrocarbon. Hydrocarbons exist throughout the universe, and far more than 99% of the mass of these hydrocarbons are not on this planet and exist where no known life form has been. That sounds pretty “abiotic” to me. Our planet is made up various things that agglomerated, metals, water, and yes hydrocarbons. In fact, hydrocarbons are quite plentiful in the universe.

    Hydrocarbons are found in areas of upheaval of the earth’s crust. Whether caused seismically, volcanically or from an impact, surrounding areas tend to produce “oil”. The Gulf of Mexico is one example. The oil sands in the Dakotas outside the Yellowstone Caldera. The Appalachian Mountains even have oil, although heavy and sour. This is why “Fracking” works. No, not that Colma Rising, but “Fracking”.

    As for producing abiotic oil here on earth, I’m betting a Polyalphinated Olefin is pretty close to that definition. What I want from you biotic oil folk is to take some cadaver scraps in the lab and make some East Texas crude. It might work out better than Soylent Green. You do need to come up with something better than “Well, it’s got some dinosaur stuff in it.”.

    Saying oil comes from rotted dinosaurs is sort of like saying water comes from fish.

    Three minute warning for a mention of Fukushima or Chernobyl. Google Hyperion Reactor. Good thing Edison invented the light bulb before the electric chair.

    Don’t make me get down off this tractor, because then I’m outstanding in my field.

  78. A friend of mine worked in long beach on oil rigs,he wandered into an engineers office and was looking at some big maps,one funny mark on the map drew his attention and the engineer laughed and said were not allowed to drill there.He explained to my friend there was a several hundred year oil supply there.Same deal with a fiend who lived in alaska for years,he said the north slope had much potential for oil years but folks in the lower forty eight didnt want it explored while folks who lived in alaska were all for it.

    1. ron

      Sorry dude. That is total bullshit. The US has 1.5% of the world’s total oil reserves. There are 900 million barrels of oil left in Alaska. We use 20 million barrels per day. That is 45 days of supply. Slightly less than hundreds of years.

      All the oil off the entire California coast, if it could all be accessed, would be less than 5 years of supply.

      Why do people believe such bullshit so easily, without doing the slightest bit of research to confirm the bullshit they are being told?

  79. Mr. Administrator, there are 900 million barrels left in the fields feeding the Trans Alaskan Pipeline. ANWR is nearly completely across the largest state in the union away from the current area of production.

    There is much more oil than that in the ENTIRE STATE OF ALASKA. Where are you getting your information? It must be either the Sierra Club, Greenpeace or Earth First.

    One more thing. That pipeline was supposed to cause the extinction of Alaskan caribou, but heat from the pipeline keeps the veggies growing longer around it, and the caribou population has quintupled in the area of the pipeline during the last 30 years. More BS from the Watermelons that cost a few bucks at the courthouse back in the day.

    Colma Rising, quintupled means increased five times over.

  80. ed

    You said, “SSS, here is my take on energy. We do not have an energy crisis, but crises of politics and policy, education, and critical thinking. This nation could be pretty much self-sufficient in energy in five to ten years if the legal hurdles were dropped a bit, and environmental/regulatory hoplophobias were countered with reason.”

    Right on. But I have to take issue with your remarks on thorium reactors. The technology and power production of thorium reactors (ONE operable 62 megawatt midget in India) isn’t there yet, so your “self-sufficient in energy in five to ten years” is a non-starter vis a vis thorium.

    Here’s the answer, but it’s only the answer for the residential, commercial, and business sectors of the economy, and not transportation. Giant third-generation plus nuclear power sites. And I mean big.

    Example: the manager of the Palo Verde nuclear power plant west of Phoenix (3,900 megawatt output serving 4 million customers from California to Texas) has stated that the plant site (4,000 acres) can support two more reactors which would add 2,300 megawatts. That’s an incredible 6,200 megawatts total for the fast-growing Southwest.

    There are 104 nuclear power plant sites in the U.S. If we add 1-3 reactors per site, and most have room to do so, problem solved.

  81. I certainly could support your solution. The main goal is to use our coal to help provide for our liquid fuel and chemical needs instead of using electricity, and there is certainly little sense in trashing existing operational nuclear sites.

    Thorium is not perfect or perfected. We need more “practice” as it were. However, benefits like easier cooling and safer, speedier shutdowns offer much more hope for the safety and public confidence aspects of any nuclear project.

    Third generation plus is much better technology than currently employed in this country in terms of intrinsic safety. Georgia Power is building one, I believe.

    However, without radical reforms of regulations, the regulatory generation process and our tort system, we will never see any of this. The Watermelons can not be kept a bay long enough to build a refinery in this country over the last 30 years. Taxpayer dollars must stop flowing to these fascist environmental organizations, and LOSER PAYS must be enacted in our court system to put the brakes on this obstruction that is destroying the economic viability of our nation. Where IS that French captain who sunk that Greenpeace ship when you reallly need him?

    The point is with both of our proposals that going nearly totally nuclear for our electrical generation, by whatever method used to accomplish it, would free up enough energy in coal to more than make up for all the oil we import. THAT is the goal. A broke Gadhaffi(sic), House of Saud, Venezuela and Iran would make the world a much better place, if for no other reason to reduce the clientele for our resident statists of both parties to finance their grandiose vote-buying schemes.

    You must be in the elecrtrical industry. Keep up the good work.

  82. Thanks for the comments, ed.

    Nope, not in the electrical industry. I’m the resident spook on this site (retired CIA). Prior to that I was a fighter pilot in the Air Force, also retired from there.

    Energy and water policies should be the top two priorites in this nation, so I started studying both issues. Fascinating and complicated, to say the least.

  83. ed

    Nice of you to wander in off the street and what a Grand Entrance, making assumptions based on binary ideology, though here most topics reflect a wide spectrum of opinions.

    The R vs. D dichotomy, “kool-aid’, “you’re with me or agin me” is so passe, it’s mechanical. But credit for “watermelons”.

    As for S&H, maybe you should have started with their “Generations”, though their mediocre writing is just a data point in a line of thought that began again in 1801. The idea of the saeculum is rather ancient and you know those primitive people, they saw a lot of ‘fours’, winds, seasons, tides (and even that latter is net mechanical, I’ve seen a 17 hour span from high to low here.)

    S&H did have their exception that proves the rule — the War of Northern Aggression. Of course, you’re entitled to reject food for though in favor of faith-based ideas. Like:

    “Peak Oil it total horseshit.” And another good parry with the epee, like I said, a grand entrance.

    Later, you favor us with your vast background. Big woo; it was half that of some here. But you redeem yourself with some good points to the Spook. Then you fuck that with “It would be a tough read for some here,” which was a neat little flamelet, all in good fun, but underestimating one’s opponent is likely to be a losing strategy. Stick around, I want to watch.

  84. SSS, I agree energy and water are two of the most critical issues facing our nation today. I would add a third thing, and that is food, which really can not be separated from the other two. Not only do we use a lot of diesel fuel powering our agricultural equipment, but natural gas and other petroleum products are used to make fertilizer. That just gets the food to the edge of the farm, not processed, preserved, packaged and hauled to the store. Without water, none of it works either.

    This three legged stool is the basis for the prosperity of this nation in all other fields. While I love using E85 in hot rods, it has many of the same disadvantages as methanol but with slightly lessened ill effects and much wider availability. That being said, burning food for fuel, especially when the energy inputs far outweigh the energy output of the fuel produced, is a bit silly. I don’t like the subsidies and tax breaks for corn based ethanol, either.

    Finally, thank you for your service to our nation.

    Novista and ALL, sorry for my scrappy nature. When a southern dirt track pit is your finishing school, I guess it is hard to totally overcome. The thesaurus seems to help most of the time. LOL

    As for S&H, they have their points. I’m not finished with the book yet, due to the season and my current occupation as a farmer. It’s in the privy, on the Kindle, about half done. It does an excellent job of cataloguing how different-type generations relate, but it does seem to paint with a rather broad brush. It is sort of like reading a horoscope, like the same thing is going to happen to ALL Gemenis today. It does have valuable insights into generational attitudes and how they have played into the mess we are experiencing.

    Looking at this mess’ various aspects, invariably at their root lies the slimy hand of govenmental interference and influence. Fractional banking is a poker game. Fractional banking combined with a fiat currency is Russian Roulette with a nine shot .22 revolver. Fractional banking in a fiat currency with a powerful central bank and an interventionist government is still Russian Roulette, but using a .45 automatic. We refuse to take the pain when our luck ebbs at the poker table, and have traded the economic cycle for a system that has been propped up so many times and ways that when it does fall, it will leave quite a mark.

    Angry populism and class envy will get us nowhere. Government’s booger-encrusted fingers are all over the “bankster” crisis. Liar loans are a direct outgrowth of the elimination of red-lining. Repakaging mortgages was allowed when Glass-Steagall (about the only decent law from the Roosevelt reign) was repealed under Clinton. Bawney Fwank, Chris Dodd and George Bush tag-teamed to form the housing bubble through FNMA et al. Easy credit and more home ownership do not a good economy make, especially when the homes are constructed by non-taxpayers who send most of their earnings out of the country, but I digress.

    With all the cash and degrees floating around, you would think the public education system would have taught us well enough to realize that with 35 years or so of stagnant wage growth, housing could not continue to appreciate at 10% per year for very many years. Stupidity on the part of the banksters’ customer base was integral to forming this bubble.

    Our government is the problem. It is too big, employs too many people doing too many things, and sends out way too many checks to too many people. I was having lunch with a friend when the vote was taken on TARP. When it passed, I told my buddy, “We have just seen the end of our nation. These jerks now know they can get away with anything”. Bailing out AIG was for nothing but the retirement funds for the NEA and other government employees.

    I belonged to the TEA party before I joined the GOP. Trent Lott, I’m in the process of co-opting the GOP, LOL. I’m a Goldwater Republican, I guess, waging my little war against big government “conservatism”. The GOP and the US certainly does not need another “conservative” like Nixon who gave us the BATF, DEA, and wage and price controls! No matter the message, a majority of US voters are not ready to accept a third party…..yet. As for why I did not choose to work within the Democrat party, that will take someone with far more energy and patience to turn it more libertarian, instead of libertine with others’ money.

    My mention of “A Conservative History of the American Left” being hard to read was not intended as a slur against anyones’ intelligence, and I’m sorry if it seemed that way. What makes it hard to read are the lies we have all been taught regarding the founding of this nation, events that have been washed away from textbooks to further the indocrination (certainly not education) of our youth. The skewering of many of America’s sacred cows left me questioning the actions of my direct ancestors, like the Grandfather who got a pistol and a bus ticket in the mail every time the United Mine Workers went on a national strike. Interestingly, it usually arrived the very day the strike was declared, even before FedEx. It is a tough read, simply because you realize how entrenched collectivism is in American institutions, and the sheer magnitude of changes that must be made.

    Hope everyone had a good Holiday and still have their digits and eyes, even after the trip to Johnny-No-Thumbs Fireworks and Gift Emporium.

    Unity where we agree, liberty where we differ, and charity for all.

  85. A bit of news I just ran across, although I’m sure many here already know.

    In addition to becoming the world’s largest debtor nation, becoming a net importer of food, and maintaining a stupid policy of importing a significant amount of our energy, the Wall Street Journal reported today we are a net exporter of…….venture capital.


    Could this be related to having; out of control environmental regulations, an overpopulation of malicious tortfeasors and idiot jurors, having a personal tax code that punishes production with steeply progressive rates, an administration so in bed with the unions that secured creditors are undermined at will and at random, an administration so controlled by unions that an American company can not open a new plant in a state of their choosing, or due to having the highest corporate tax rate in the world?

    Yep, we need to keep on punishing the “rich” and make them pay their fair share.

    Mmmm, mmm, MMMMM
    Barak Hussein Obama
    mmmm, mmm, mmmm

    Fundamentally changing America.

  86. Oh drat. The link just went dead. It’s the July 5th edition in the opinion section, titled “America’s Troubling Investment Gap” by Malpass and Moore.

  87. ed

    Thanks for your response. I suspect we have more areas of agreement than differences. Heh, and I’m a Florida boy once branded as trailer trash.

    As for the ‘powerful central bank’, our esteemed (spit) Federal Resrrve System, I learned the basic scam forty-some years ago and many of the sacred cows (as you mention later) — and public school lies, etc. over the years.

    I’ve been puzzled by all the yapping about Glass-Steagall back when the wheels were come off Bear Stearns. WTF? I thought. It’s only an investment bank, how does that apply? I knew asset securitization came from HUD around 1970 and only got more so … Only recently I found this from “Rollback”, Thomas E. Woods, Jr. Gramm-Leach-Bliley repealed on part of the earlier legislation … making it possible for a commercial bank and an investment bank to coexist under the umbrella of a common holding company … Commercial banks continue to operate under the same Glass-Steagall restrictions that have existed since 1933.

    Funny how Carter Glass of G-S was also one of the fathers of the Federal Reserve System. Along with ny number of usual suspects and years in the making before The Creature from Jekyll Island.

    I might have become a Robert A. Taft R,, and I did live for a time in Cincinnati, LOL. As for the Democratic party, Atlas would shrug before he turned them. 🙂 Ironic how far they’ve moved from their values of the 19th C.


  88. Thanks NoVista.

    Two things make a crappy day; not making a new friend and not learning anything new.

    Carter Glass’ may have had an epiphany regarding the need for restricting that beast he helped create. Sort of like that time I thought it would be a GREAT IDEA to boil off the water in hydrazine for some dandy racing fuel. I learned the difference between an oxygen bearing fuel (Nitromethane) and a monopropellant. It could have been really bad if I had used a gas stove.

    According to “Collapse of Complex Societies” there are five stages of collapse. Depreciation of the currency to maintain government programs is the fourth stage, and no known society in the history of the world has recovered from the fourth stage. I wish a powerful central bank was our only problem, but I’m not sure it is even one of the five worst facing us. However, it has certainly aided many of the other problems to come into existence.

  89. ed

    This is the best dialogue I’ve had in a while. Parlly due to the time shift, so it goes. Catch ya on another thread, hey?

  90. The list of things that our country needs to do to pull out of this tailspin is staggering to say the least. I can say this though, the general populace is getting more and more upset with how things are running.

    I just wish I was in a position to do something meaningful other than spread the word to friends/family as much as possible. I can’t really prepare material-wise at this juncture. I guess I can just be thankful that I’m not near any large bodies of EBT users.


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