Posted on 20th October 2012 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues


Why the Occupy Movement Frightens the Corporate Elite

By: Chris Hedges

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In Robert E. Gamer’s book “The Developing Nations” is a chapter called “Why Men Do Not Revolt.” In it Gamer notes that although the oppressed often do revolt, the object of their hostility is misplaced. They vent their fury on a political puppet, someone who masks colonial power, a despised racial or ethnic group or an apostate within their own political class. The useless battles serve as an effective mask for what Gamer calls the “patron-client” networks that are responsible for the continuity of colonial oppression. The squabbles among the oppressed, the political campaigns between candidates who each are servants of colonial power, Gamer writes, absolve the actual centers of power from addressing the conditions that cause the frustrations of the people. Inequities, political disenfranchisement and injustices are never seriously addressed. “The government merely does the minimum necessary to prevent those few who are prone toward political action from organizing into politically effective groups,” he writes.

Gamer and many others who study the nature of colonial rule offer the best insights into the functioning of our corporate state. We have been, like nations on the periphery of empire, colonized. We are controlled by tiny corporate entities that have no loyalty to the nation and indeed in the language of traditional patriotism are traitors. They strip us of our resources, keep us politically passive and enrich themselves at our expense. The mechanisms of control are familiar to those whom the Martinique-born French psychiatrist and writer Frantz Fanon called “the wretched of the earth,” including African-Americans. The colonized are denied job security. Incomes are reduced to subsistence level. The poor are plunged into desperation. Mass movements, such as labor unions, are dismantled. The school system is degraded so only the elites have access to a superior education. Laws are written to legalize corporate plunder and abuse, as well as criminalize dissent. And the ensuing fear and instability—keenly felt this past weekend by the more than 200,000 Americans who lost their unemployment benefits—ensure political passivity by diverting all personal energy toward survival. It is an old, old game.

A change of power does not require the election of a Mitt Romney or a Barack Obama or a Democratic majority in Congress, or an attempt to reform the system or electing progressive candidates, but rather a destruction of corporate domination of the political process—Gamer’s “patron-client” networks. It requires the establishment of new mechanisms of governance to distribute wealth and protect resources, to curtail corporate power, to cope with the destruction of the ecosystem and to foster the common good. But we must first recognize ourselves as colonial subjects. We must accept that we have no effective voice in the way we are governed. We must accept the hollowness of electoral politics, the futility of our political theater, and we must destroy the corporate structure itself.

The danger the corporate state faces does not come from the poor. The poor, those Karl Marx dismissed as the Lumpenproletariat, do not mount revolutions, although they join them and often become cannon fodder. The real danger to the elite comes from déclassé intellectuals, those educated middle-class men and women who are barred by a calcified system from advancement. Artists without studios or theaters, teachers without classrooms, lawyers without clients, doctors without patients and journalists without newspapers descend economically. They become, as they mingle with the underclass, a bridge between the worlds of the elite and the oppressed. And they are the dynamite that triggers revolt.

This is why the Occupy movement frightens the corporate elite. What fosters revolution is not misery, but the gap between what people expect from their lives and what is offered. This is especially acute among the educated and the talented. They feel, with much justification, that they have been denied what they deserve. They set out to rectify this injustice. And the longer the injustice festers, the more radical they become.

The response of a dying regime—and our corporate regime is dying—is to employ increasing levels of force, and to foolishly refuse to ameliorate the chronic joblessness, foreclosures, mounting student debt, lack of medical insurance and exclusion from the centers of power. Revolutions are fueled by an inept and distant ruling class that perpetuates political paralysis. This ensures its eventual death.

In every revolutionary movement I covered in Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, the leadership emerged from déclassé intellectuals. The leaders were usually young or middle-aged, educated and always unable to meet their professional and personal aspirations. They were never part of the power elite, although often their parents had been. They were conversant in the language of power as well as the language of oppression. It is the presence of large numbers of déclassé intellectuals that makes the uprisings in Spain, Egypt, Greece and finally the United States threatening to the overlords at Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil and JPMorgan Chase. They must face down opponents who understand, in a way the uneducated often do not, the lies disseminated on behalf of corporations by the public relations industry. These déclassé intellectuals, because they are conversant in economics and political theory, grasp that those who hold power, real power, are not the elected mandarins in Washington but the criminal class on Wall Street.

This is what made Malcolm X so threatening to the white power structure. He refused to countenance Martin Luther King’s fiction that white power and white liberals would ever lift black people out of economic squalor. King belatedly came to share Malcolm’s view. Malcolm X named the enemy. He exposed the lies. And until we see the corporate state, and the games it is playing with us, with the same kind of clarity, we will be nothing more than useful idiots.

“This is an era of hypocrisy,” Malcolm X said. “When white folks pretend that they want Negroes to be free, and Negroes pretend to white folks that they really believe that white folks want ‘em to be free, it’s an era of hypocrisy, brother. You fool me and I fool you. You pretend that you’re my brother and I pretend that I really believe you believe you’re my brother.”

Those within a demoralized ruling elite, like characters in a Chekhov play, increasingly understand that the system that enriches and empowers them is corrupt and decayed. They become cynical. They do not govern effectively. They retreat into hedonism. They no longer believe their own rhetoric. They devote their energies to stealing and exploiting as much, as fast, as possible. They pillage their own institutions, as we have seen with the newly disclosed loss of $2 billion within JPMorgan Chase, the meltdown of Chesapeake Energy Corp. or the collapse of Enron and Lehman Brothers. The elites become cannibals. They consume each other. This is what happens in the latter stages of all dying regimes. Louis XIV pillaged his own nobility by revoking patents of nobility and reselling them. It is what most corporations do to their shareholders. A dying ruling class, in short, no longer acts to preserve its own longevity. It becomes fashionable, even in the rarefied circles of the elite, to ridicule and laugh at the political puppets that are the public face of the corporate state.

“Ideas that have outlived their day may hobble about the world for years,” Alexander Herzen wrote, “but it is hard for them ever to lead and dominate life. Such ideas never gain complete possession of a man, or they gain possession only of incomplete people.”

This loss of faith means that when it comes time to use force, the elites employ it haphazardly and inefficiently, in large part because they are unsure of the loyalty of the foot soldiers on the streets charged with carrying out repression.

Revolutions take time. The American Revolution began with protests against the Stamp Act of 1765 but did not erupt until a decade later. The 1917 revolution in Russia started with a dress rehearsal in 1905. The most effective revolutions, including the Russian Revolution, have been largely nonviolent. There are always violent radicals who carry out bombings and assassinations, but they hinder, especially in the early stages, more than help revolutions. The anarchist Peter Kropotkin during the Russian Revolution condemned the radical terrorists, asserting that they only demoralized and frightened away the movement’s followers and discredited authentic anarchism.

Radical violent groups cling like parasites to popular protests. The Black Panthers, the American Indian Movement, the Weather Underground, the Red Brigades and the Symbionese Liberation Army arose in the ferment of the 1960s. Violent radicals are used by the state to justify harsh repression. They scare the mainstream from the movement. They thwart the goal of all revolutions, which is to turn the majority against an isolated and discredited ruling class. These violent fringe groups are seductive to those who yearn for personal empowerment through hyper-masculinity and violence, but they do little to advance the cause. The primary role of radical extremists, such as Maximilien Robespierre and Vladimir Lenin, is to hijack successful revolutions. They unleash a reign of terror, primarily against fellow revolutionaries, which often outdoes the repression of the old regime. They often do not play much of a role in building a revolution.

The power of the Occupy movement is that it expresses the widespread disgust with the elites, and the deep desire for justice and fairness that is essential to all successful revolutionary movements. The Occupy movement will change and mutate, but it will not go away. It may appear to make little headway, but this is less because of the movement’s ineffectiveness and more because decayed systems of power have an amazing ability to perpetuate themselves through habit, routine and inertia. The press and organs of communication, along with the anointed experts and academics, tied by money and ideology to the elites, are useless in dissecting what is happening within these movements. They view reality through the lens of their corporate sponsors. They have no idea what is happening.

Dying regimes are chipped away slowly and imperceptibly. The assumptions and daily formalities of the old system are difficult for citizens to abandon, even when the old system is increasingly hostile to their dignity, well-being and survival. Supplanting an old faith with a new one is the silent, unseen battle of all revolutionary movements. And during the slow transition it is almost impossible to measure progress.

“Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong,” Fanon wrote in “Black Skin, White Masks.” “When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

The end of these regimes comes when old beliefs die and the organs of security, especially the police and military, abandon the elites and join the revolutionaries. This is true in every successful revolution. It does not matter how sophisticated the repressive apparatus. Once those who handle the tools of repression become demoralized, the security and surveillance state is impotent. Regimes, when they die, are like a great ocean liner sinking in minutes on the horizon. And no one, including the purported leaders of the opposition, can predict the moment of death. Revolutions have an innate, mysterious life force that defies comprehension. They are living entities.

The defection of the security apparatus is often done with little or no violence, as I witnessed in Eastern Europe in 1989 and as was also true in 1979 in Iran and in 1917 in Russia. At other times, when it has enough residual force to fight back, the dying regime triggers a violent clash as it did in the American Revolution when soldiers and officers in the British army, including George Washington, rebelled to raise the Continental Army. Violence also characterized the 1949 Chinese revolution led by Mao Zedong. But even revolutions that turn violent succeed, as Mao conceded, because they enjoy popular support and can mount widespread protests, strikes, agitation, revolutionary propaganda and acts of civil disobedience. The object is to try to get there without violence. Armed revolutions, despite what the history books often tell us, are tragic, ugly, frightening and sordid affairs. Those who storm Bastilles, as the Polish dissident Adam Michnik wrote, “unwittingly build new ones.” And once revolutions turn violent it becomes hard to speak of victors and losers.

A revolution has been unleashed across the globe. This revolution, a popular repudiation of the old order, is where we should direct all our energy and commitment. If we do not topple the corporate elites the ecosystem will be destroyed and massive numbers of human beings along with it. The struggle will be long. There will be times when it will seem we are going nowhere. Victory is not inevitable. But this is our best and only hope. The response of the corporate state will ultimately determine the parameters and composition of rebellion. I pray we replicate the 1989 nonviolent revolutions that overthrew the communist regimes in Eastern Europe. But this is not in my hands or yours. Go ahead and vote this November. But don’t waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate—just enough to register your obstruction and defiance—and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided.

  1. KaD says:

    That is well written and covers a great deal. I couldn’t agree more. This demented order will fall, it is not a matter of if only when.

    20th October 2012 at 8:24 pm

  2. Eddie says:

    Hedges is a socialist…sort of the Anti-Ron Paul in a lot of ways, but he says a lot of things that need to be said.

    I’m not sure I agree that Occupy will rise from the ashes. The police state seems very capable of doing whatever it takes to control marchers….more than willing to use all their “anti-terrorist” hardware on homeless citizens and left-wing grannies and college students. Break a few heads. It’s all in a days work.

    20th October 2012 at 8:35 pm

  3. Llpoh says:

    This guy is so far left even the NYT got rid of him. Wow.

    20th October 2012 at 8:35 pm

  4. Stucky says:

    Hate to break it to y’all supporters ……….. but the Occupy Movement is dead. D.E.A.D.

    Nice try by Hedges to try to revive it.
    Gotta go … Sat night is quality time with you-know-who ….. can’t wait to see how many thumbs down I’ll have by tomorrow.

    20th October 2012 at 8:45 pm

  5. Administrator says:


    Chris also wears a thumb ring. Do you contest his thesis? Please feel free to list his errors.

    20th October 2012 at 9:16 pm

  6. AWD says:

    I’m confused. The writer is a socialist? But our government is socialist:

    #3 During fiscal year 2011, over a trillion dollars of government money was spent on 83 different welfare programs, and those numbers do not even include Social Security or Medicare.

    #4 Over the past four years, welfare spending has increased by 32 percent. In inflation-adjusted dollars, spending on those programs has risen by 378 percent over the past 30 years. At this point, more than 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government. Once again, these figures do not even include Social Security or Medicare.

    #32 When you combine all federal government spending, all state government spending and all local government spending, it comes to approximately 41 percent of U.S. GDP. But don’t worry, all of our politicians insist that this is not socialism.

    Sure, the elites are running the government, but all the water is leaking out of the bucket to the FSA. Who exactly is going to start the revolution? The college kids in massive debt who can’t get jobs?

    The shoe can quickly change feet, so to speak. I sometimes think the elites and corporations are at the mercy of the government. When the criminals in Washington run out of money and can’t borrow any more, they’ll grab everything they can get their hands on. Collapsing empires nationalize everything. It’s always happened before.

    Until those that started the occupy movement, and those that support what they did resort to violence, or are willing to match violence with violence, there will be no change. Maybe better to wait and let them destroy themselves. The government and FSA will take care of that.


    20th October 2012 at 9:36 pm

  7. Dan says:

    How convenient for Chris Hedges. A revolution in which “the people” hand over title to the means of production from shareholders, like workers’ pension funds, to his kind–as in the whole economy. Since workers invariably fare worse under socialism, the presumption must be he’s promoting the enslavement, rather than empowerment, of American workers.

    As for OWS, it apparently got its start via AdBusters, a front group for George Soros, surely one of the most despicable, rotten Wall St banksters on the planet. Nothing like being your own opposition. A signature giveaway of the left is their grinning mockery of the dupes in whose name they foment revolution, noticeably on display in OWS demonstrations with those Guy Fawkes masks worn by the “leaderless leaders,” mocking, not Wall St, but the fools who believed their leftist rhetoric. Funny thing, too, that in the handful of photos of the “leaderless leaders” in NYC, they looked and dressed more like certain foreigners than average Americans. Another dead giveaway of how totally fake and phony it all was was the use of those cardboard signs, as if those carefully crafted political statements were so impromptu they had to be scribbled on stuff salvaged from the sidewalk.

    The same people behind OWS control the MSM and thereby the election process in America. What they fear more than anything is natural leadership arising among the American people who lift the masks from those leftist apparatchiks on the streets and their masters on Wall St and in the MSM. It must have all looked so promising to the cabal. They’d promote their own revolution demanding “reforms,” which in practice would result in an even greater enslavement of American workers under the direction of bureaucratic mandarins taking orders from the descendents of the same banksters who were behind the French and Russian revolutions. Their racket is usury, always was and remains so today.

    20th October 2012 at 9:39 pm

  8. AWD says:

    Interesting comment Dan,

    The question would be: what do we have after the revolution? Leftist indeed.


    20th October 2012 at 9:47 pm

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  10. bb says:

    Front man for SOROS , who is a liar and deceiver…..SATURDAY NIGHT AND HERE I AM.GOD,I WISH I STILL DID DRUGS.

    20th October 2012 at 10:46 pm

  11. Ron says:

    I think any change is a ways off.Life for many is still very good.This article kind of reminds me of that 2014 movie.

    20th October 2012 at 11:23 pm

  12. Ron says:

    Sorry 2016 movie.The Obama hates the white people who rape the natural resources of the poor countrys movie.He always says something about what is fair.Life isnt fair.

    20th October 2012 at 11:25 pm

  13. Llpoh says:

    Admin – sorry, won’t read Hedges. He is too self-serving and left for me. Just wanted to point out for balance to those unfamiliar with him just how far left he is. He gave a graduation speech once – I forget the college – and afterwards the president of the school sent out an apology to the parents and students because he was so self-serving.

    If people get something from him, great. As for me, I consider the source too corrupt to engage with.

    20th October 2012 at 11:43 pm

  14. Kreditanstalt says:

    The more I listen to Hedges the more I am repelled. What would become of the freedom of action of the sovereign individual in a Hedges society? Must everything be a collectivity, a group, a movement? Here’s a guy who openly says he will “tolerate” small-scale capitalism IF it is heavily regulated and taxed!

    One day someone will wake up and find the world ISN’T as simple as “the 99%” vs. “the 1%”, “good unions” vs. “evil corporations”, etc. You can’t have one standard of individual liberty for individuals and another, tougher standard for big businesses.

    Why no criticism of GOVERNMENT? Even IF I grant the unlikely idea that “corporations” have co-opted governments, wouldnn’t the responsibility to do something about that remain with the voters and the government itself??

    The INSTITUTION of government itself is the problem, not the solution.

    Pompous & self-righteous, of course. But his message is more frightening.

    21st October 2012 at 12:06 am

  15. TeresaE says:

    “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong,” Fanon wrote in “Black Skin, White Masks.” “When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.”

    The few conversations about our upcoming “choice” have been met with cognitive dissonance. People want to insist that their flavor of corporate/Wall St stooge is better “for the country.”

    People will not, can not, shall not, believe that we are totally, inevitably screwed. They cling to their belief that “their” candidate will somehow magically be better, that “their” CONgressman is the only decent one, that the reality and struggle they live with is temporary and can be fixed by the same asshats that caused it.

    pfffft. Screw ‘em. If someone brings up reality/idiocy, I’ll comment, else there is no use. People avoid perceived pain. Thinking the system is going to crash is too much pain for most to contemplate.

    Fiat on.

    21st October 2012 at 1:35 am

  16. Llpoh says:

    Admin – I will play a bit. This guy does what so many do – he tosses out statements like “people are denied job security” and so implies that a right to it exists. In fact, no such right does exist. And so there is no base foundation to his arguments. His arguments spring from a left position that he simply assumes to be true and no opposition to that position is even thinkable.

    He says the school system has been degraded by the elites, when again that is a lie. He careful plants the seed that he thinks unemployment benefits should be permanent.

    This guy is good with words. But he is careful not to come out with opinions – instead he tries to convey his opinions as facts that are inarguable. When you see that his facts are just radical left opinion, his whole methodology becomes suspect.

    I only read the first couple paras, and gave up in disgust.

    21st October 2012 at 2:19 am

  17. backwardsevolution says:

    AWD – ” I sometimes think the elites and corporations are at the mercy of the government.”

    Kreditanstalt – “Why no criticism of GOVERNMENT? Even IF I grant the unlikely idea that “corporations” have co-opted governments…”

    Dan – “…the presumption must be he’s promoting the enslavement, rather than empowerment, of American workers.”

    “At the mercy”? “Unlikely”? “Enslavement”?

    Corporate welfare is alive and well, and there are many who do not want to rock that boat. Too much money being made. As long as it’s corporate socialism, all is well. I’m sure glad everyone’s feeling so empowered, or is it just a few?

    And you guys, after all of the articles you have read, all of the videos you have watched, you still question whether government has been co-opted by the elite? I smell some rotten vested interests or some very low IQ’s. Both, I think.

    21st October 2012 at 6:26 am

  18. Bruce says:

    I’m not so sure about the non violent idea. Arguably the most successful revolution was our American Revolution. It was violent. It was war. And it lasted for a while. If folks want a real revolution that makes a profound and lasting difference people must risk their lives, pick their rifles and go kill the tyrant bastards or at the very least run them off the continent. Real revolutions are dangerous, take balls O’ steel and total commitment. That’s how a Revolution works.

    Are there four or five million people in the USA that have the guts and determination to do it? Will they be able to convey the ideas of liberty, freedom justice and the acceptance personal responsibility along the associated hardships to a large enough portion of the public to at least have their sympathy and some cooperation to pull it off ? I think not.

    More than likely some day huge numbers of people will be hungry, cold and seething with anger because they can’t get anymore free designer athletic shoes, free new I-things or a high paying job that requires no real work or skill. Then they will just go nuts and start pillaging, plundering, raping and burning down everyone and everything insight. The government will lose control and the nation will devolve into a massive violent Mad Max clusterfuck only more stupid and insane.

    We are doomed.

    21st October 2012 at 6:37 am

  19. Administrator says:

    Good to see Dan and the rest of the douchebags bought the storyline about OWS being a leftist conspiracy. I’m sure Danny Boy went to Zuccotti Park to observe for himself. Oh he didn’t. You mean he watched Fox News and read the stories on Bloomberg to get his information. How precious. It just goes to show, the ignorance of people who think they are smart, knows no bounds.

    21st October 2012 at 6:41 am

  20. Administrator says:

    llpoh commenting on a story he didn’t read because he already decided. Another example of the closed minded ideology that is suffocating the country. Carry on.

    21st October 2012 at 6:43 am

  21. Zarathustra says:

    Could someone please tell me what values hold us together as a country, because I’d really like to know.

    21st October 2012 at 7:25 am

  22. flash says:

    Revolution: The overthrow of one pseudo-ism to be replaced by another pseudo-ism , but in reality it’s still government by the golden rule;those who have the gold rule.

    “The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it’s profits or so dependant on it’s favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.” — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

    “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild


    21st October 2012 at 8:19 am

  23. Stucky says:

    Only 7 thumbs down. I expected a lot more.

    I do NOT want the OWS movement to be dead … but realistically, the facts indicate it is. Where the hell were they all this summer??

    Government, MSM, … whatever …. they did a fine job of demonizing and killing the movement.

    Maybe it will be remembered as the “First Shot” … maybe heard around the world …. and maybe it will spawn an even better movement some time down the line.

    But …. I just don’t know. I sit and think … think and sit …. and I just don’t know what it will take for at least 5% – 10% of the population to say, “I’m mad as hell and I won’t take it anymore.” While many complain about getting fucked in the ass, it seems it does not lead to action. Sad, really.

    21st October 2012 at 10:51 am

  24. Thunderbird says:

    In my opinion the next revolution coming to America will not be a physically violent one but rather a psychological one.

    Many people today are experiencing insanity caused by negative thoughts generated in one by negative emotions. Many are committing suicide.

    Excessive money or (credit) in our society along with an abundance of consumer items to purchase with it, has changed our old American mind set of the practice of consideration for others to an unconscious mindset of resentment of everything around us.

    We are now at the end of our imagination about consumerism America. Our way out of our discontent with everything around us will come in a new imagination about America. This will happen by a shock probably initiated by a monetary collapse…. possibly by the end of this year.

    A new trend will be started; a positive one.

    Violent revolutions revealed from history come from widespread oppression. Where is the widespread oppression in this country? We have widespread discontent, but this discontent is not generated by oppression, but rather by our own lack of personal unity. We are fighting phantoms in ourselves. We are not what we think we are. Most live in imaginary fantasies that are lies.

    The future of humanity is more than money and consumerism. Our spirit comes from the stars and involves something greater than us. We have just gone through a period of great wealth and consumerism and all we have from it is a terrible hangover of discontent & resentment.

    People look at most everything through a negative lens only. We have become so suggestible that we believe most everything written or seen on television if it conforms to our bent and reject everything not in our bent; not realizing most of it is all lies anyway.

    The coming psychological shift in our consciousness will show us that we are more than mere machines consuming everything life on earth has to offer. We are beings now finished with the deceptions of material life and ready to develop our psychological being.

    Don’t identify with the writers predicting a violent revolution. They are selling imagination coming from fear. Start to observe what is really happening around you. The atheist mind is falling away and those that follow this mind are going insane. But on another level others are changing their mindset and finding a new reality… a reality of greater value… that we are spiritual beings on a path to greater fulfillment.

    The psychological revolution is starting…

    21st October 2012 at 11:05 am

  25. Stucky says:


    Hedges has a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School, and an honorary doctorate from the Unitarian Universalist seminary. He describes himself as a socialist. So there ya go … that alone should give one a better understanding of his worldview.

    I don’t like all his views. So what. I can ignore the bad while embracing the good. … and, there is much good. I’m sure you can also, if you tried. He wrote a magnificent anti-war book; “War is a force that gives us meaning”.

    Regarding his commencement address, I believe you are referring to the one given at Rockford College. Here is one thing he said for which he was crucified;

    ——– “We are embarking on an occupation [Iraq] that, if history is any guide, will be as damaging to our souls as it will be to our prestige and power and security.”

    And for THAT he was criticized by the NY Times and the University President???? Fuck that shit!! Those warmongering fuckwads!!! In retrospect we all know that Hedges was right on the money. I – we — you — should offer him profound gratitude for speaking truth to lying fuckwads.

    21st October 2012 at 11:06 am

  26. Stucky says:


    You DO post many interesting — if not unusual — concepts.

    A Psychological Revolution. Hmmmmm

    Maybe Ms Freud and I will have an advantage, but I don’t think so. While I, indeed, may be a “spiritual being on a path to greater fulfillment” —- my enemies are “warmongering psycho cocksuckers with guns”. Who wins in this scenario?

    A Psychological Revolution ….. that would be a first in the annals of human history, Good luck wif dat.

    21st October 2012 at 11:15 am

  27. Thunderbird says:

    Stucky: Is it not possible to contemplate and consider our human essence is from the stars? Does this not give us a better feeling than the accomplishments of our false personality? Are we not out of touch with our essence and mesmerized in our false personality that is the source of all our discontent?

    A psychological revolution would create a viewpoint from which to look at our false personality and all the lies we have attached to it.

    People are ready to dump the imagination associated with this consumerism we have been embracing. Everything in life eventually becomes boring with repetition and this incessant consumerism and commercialism is no exception.

    I suppose you know that the majority of our brain is undeveloped. There is so much to learn and find out in this world. Isn’t it time we get out of our false personalities and start developing our essence? Me thinks the universe is going to push this on us because it is the destiny of man to find out who he really is. Our brain did not evolve (how can an undeveloped brain come from evolution/) it was given us to develop.

    Man has spent his time in destructive practices. We build up a civilization then we collectively destroy it, over and over again.

    This time is different. Don’t let the doomsdayers tell you any different.

    “A Psychological Revolution…. that would be a first in the annals of human history.” What about the birth of Christianity 2000 years ago with the birth of Jesus Christ? And what did he talk about happening 2000 years from that; which is now?

    With the birth of every major religion in the world it produced a Psychological Revolution.

    21st October 2012 at 12:48 pm

  28. bb says:

    TO… MR ZARATHUSTRA…..values that hold us together as a country….I see only one ,GREED, When America falls ,it will be a turbulent society. Maybe we could move to IRAN .I just got my passport .

    21st October 2012 at 12:58 pm

  29. Stucky says:

    I’m not sure mankind has changed one iota since the birth of Christianity. We were murderers and liars then, as we are now.

    You said — “Man has spent his time in destructive practices. We build up a civilization then we collectively destroy it, over and over again. THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT.”

    Why is this time different? Because you wish and hope it? I see no such evidence that this time will be any different than all the times before.

    Gotta go … Ms Freud and I are soon off to see the movie “Argo”. Sounds like a helluva good movie (95% on rottentomatoes.)

    21st October 2012 at 1:05 pm

  30. bb says:

    TO thunderbird …. pls ,no more of this new age bull shit.You need to get sober.

    21st October 2012 at 1:23 pm

  31. bb says:

    TO STUCKY …Master of divinity from harvard divinity school,but calls himself a socialist.Hedges is an apostate.What is an apostate?Nothing but a liar and deceiver……Matt 7′ 15 beware of FALSE PROPHETS ,who come to you in sheep;s clothing ,but inwardly they are RAVENOUS WOLVES. Every socialist is full of envy , hate ,murder and and when they get real POWER they always KILL.

    21st October 2012 at 2:23 pm

  32. Thunderbird says:

    bb: We are talking psychology not new age. Please tell us where you got the notion of new age in this conversation?

    21st October 2012 at 2:52 pm

  33. Ron says:

    What revolution? Life is still to good. Not mentioned is all the soldiers who would return and be pissed off.They may be the ones to do something.
    Give it some time for life to suck enough.That 2016 movie pointed out a lot of what is going on.Overwelm the system and break it.Cause the country to fall apart.You watch that movie and look around you and it makes sense.Much of this stuff is talked about here.
    Ive always joked about how if i wanted to destroy the usa,i would do a lot of what Obama is doing.

    21st October 2012 at 3:10 pm

  34. flash says:

    Heres’ an alternative scenario fro an attempted revolution.

    Due to coming pre-planned austerity applied to severly to all social programs the hoi polli rise up in protest and due to numbers alone overwhelm TPTB .

    The TPTB pull back to highly secure bases, underground bunkers wherein mass stores of ammunition , food ,medical supplies,energy supplies and shelter exist.

    The TBP easliy rides out the shitstorm for three months during which time those not connected with government, military or law enforcement, fight it out for dominion over the reaming necessities required for sustaining life..i.e. food ,shelter ,water leaving mass casualties in their wake.

    After about three months of mass human casualties brought on by near total lack of healthcare, food, energy and clean water, the population is cut by 2/3rds at which time TPTB roll out of their bases, easliy secure the reamining population and start to rebuild a New America with a lot less competition for resources.

    Works every time….just leave it to the herd to thin themselves.

    21st October 2012 at 3:20 pm

  35. Kill Bill says:

    Is it not possible to contemplate and consider our human essence is from the stars? -T Bird

    IIRC the Sumerians said this long ago that we come from space dust And its true, what we are constituted of comes from what is created by stars going supernova. We are a carbon based life form and what space dust mainly consists of [carbon, silicone and oxygen]

    Eta Carinae

    21st October 2012 at 4:26 pm

  36. Llpoh says:

    Admin – I commented about the sections I read. He bases his writing on untruths that he glibbly establishes as fact. Perhaps his final points are correct, but that he starts from a point of corruption makes everything he does suspect. If you think he is a reliable source of analysis, have at it.

    21st October 2012 at 4:37 pm

  37. Stucky says:

    Two thumbs waaaay up for the movie, Argo,

    Can’t say enough good things about it. The audience (half full) clapped at the end.

    Go see it. You’ll love it. Guaranteed.
    Rotten tomatoes review;


    21st October 2012 at 4:47 pm

  38. Kill Bill says:

    How Vulture Hedge Funds Bought Delphi Then Held GM Hostage, which cost the taxpayers billions, then shipped the automotive parts maker [now incorporated in China] to a communist country.

    21st October 2012 at 5:14 pm

  39. Stucky says:


    You need to be on meds.

    21st October 2012 at 5:15 pm

  40. Eddie says:

    We live in a time when even socialists and libertarians can agree that the status quo is terrible and some things need to be changed. That says a lot, imho.

    My opinion is that when Chris Hedges writes about the wars, he’s right on the money. And he’s right about the corporate capture of the political process. He at least understands that the big banks are the real enemy of freedom and justice in this country.

    I differ with him when he starts advocating for social programs, Most of these appear to me to have been conceived without any thought as to how to pay for them. Also, from my perspective they have failed to do what they were intended to do…and have had unintended consequences..have created a permanent underclass.

    Like a lot of liberals who come from a working class background, he gives all poor people credit for being as worthy and well-intentioned as he is…that Noble Poor concept. I don’t buy it. He doesn’t understand that there is a Free Shit Army who live under the misguided assumption that they are owed a basic living without having to do anything to earn it.

    I admire Hedges for standing with OWS. I personally support OWS and think it’s a terrible thing that they’ve been swept under the rug so easily by the elite controlled police state. I believe that when Americans have lost the right to peacefully protest (as appears to me now to be the case), that we’ve entered a new and dark era.

    21st October 2012 at 5:17 pm

  41. Stucky says:


    Good post.

    Hedges is a socilist BECAUSE he is also a theologian.

    A good many Americans thing Jeebus would vote Republican. Dems, vice versa. Both are saying Jeebus would favor capitalism. Hogwash. A much easier case can be made that Jeebs would be a socialist, … maybe even a Commie (in terms of commie economics only).

    21st October 2012 at 5:32 pm

  42. Kill Bill says:

    Revolution? Many Americans are like Toads In a Heating Pot Of Water.

    They wont revolt. They will vote for the ones stewing them while chantiing like the sheep in Animal Farm “Two Parties Good More Parties Bad!!”

    21st October 2012 at 6:04 pm

  43. Kill Bill says:

    A good many Americans thing Jeebus would vote Republican. Dems, vice versa. Both are saying Jeebus would favor capitalism. -Stucko

    Jesus and his group were communal and shared what they owned.. And it was a capitalist form of Empire, and a Roman governor that nailed him to a cross.

    Why would Jesus vote for people like Obama or Romney? Both represent what Jesus opposed.

    21st October 2012 at 6:15 pm

  44. BB says:

    TO STUCKY… I am on meds…..how can he be a theologian when he is a socialist .It is anti-biblical and anti-theistic. and it is based in darwinism which is atheism to the core.He is an apostate before he is anything.AM I RIGHT?

    21st October 2012 at 7:30 pm

  45. BB says:

    T-BIRD ..Psychology is new age.IT all nothing more then evolution myths.

    21st October 2012 at 7:39 pm

  46. Stucky says:


    21st October 2012 at 8:19 pm

  47. Novista says:


    Is there any significant difference between your position and bb’s?

    22nd October 2012 at 12:32 am

  48. Llpoh says:

    Novista – my position is basically Hedges lies by calling his leftist opinions facts. He then tosses those “facts” out there, and then builds his conclusions based on his “facts”.

    It is highly deceptive and manipulative. I try to avoid reading folks that behave that way. I find mostly folks on the far left do it, but it is not exclusive to them.

    I am not exactly sure what bb’s position is other than he too seems to think Hedges is a lefty nutjob.

    I also disagree that the corporate elites are the problem. Corps exert influence where they can – it is to be expected. Corps will, as a rule, obey laws and regs, and they will influence the drafting of such if allowed to do so. Politicians can stop their – the corps – ability to influence in an instant. They will not do it, but they can do it. So I believe it is gutless immoral politicians that are the issue. Hedges just wants to blame the corps because he is a socialist, and wants private enterprise eliminated or so severely regulated (jobs for life, etc) that capitalismceases to exist.

    He is smart and a skilled writer, and so is a ble tohide much of his agenda. But it is there to see if one looks.

    22nd October 2012 at 1:05 am

  49. Kepi says:

    KB, the great thing about revolutions is that it takes a relatively small proportion of society to fight in one for it to be effective. Therefore, the majority of people are not required to particcipate.

    As much as I dig Occupy’s dedication and their stance on what amounts to a corporate run empire, they aren’t revolting, they’re appealing… Requesting. And the people they are appealing to don’t care. They have zero possibility for having an actual, measurable impact if they’re unwilling to get actually disorderly. It’s why people joke about them now, the media writes them off, and everyone laughs.

    America has become a place where order has become such an expectation most people are terrified of being disorderly, but part of me thinks that’s what it’s going to take to force the powers that be’s hands. I’m not advocating violence, but you spray enough genitalia on enough CEO’s cars, you storm emough buildings and trash enough offices and straight up destroy their stuff eventually they might see they have to give in because being rich and not having a big wang drawn on their car is better than being super rich and having that thing there. Not violence, but some good, old fashioned vandalism. Don’t they deserve it?

    The side effect of maintaining this corporate control has been the creation of a nanny state. Wouldn’t it be fitting if the response was for we, the people, to respond in kind? Acting like 7th graders might be an appropriate release. It’d certainly make anyone think twice before driving near them.

    22nd October 2012 at 1:19 am

  50. Thunderbird says:

    BB says: “Psychology is new age. It all nothing more than evolution myths.”

    All you are doing is blowing trash into the wind. You trash something someone says without first considering what was said and asking for more clarity. You are not interested in learning but rather let your false personality make a fool of you by spewing garbage on this thread.

    The ideas contained in my above comments are based on the psychological commentaries of Maurice Nicoll 1884 to 1953, a British psychiatrist. He had a deeper understanding of the Bible than you display here. Are you calling him an evolutionist?

    22nd October 2012 at 9:40 am

  51. Thunderbird says:

    Me thinks the only thing that can save this country is a psychological revolution. Look at what is going on in the Middle East and Europe with their brewing violent revolutions in the streets? Misery and destruction! It is a waste of human and material resources around ideas based on materialism verses false religious and atheist ideas.

    A psychological revolution is one based on changing thoughts. The introduction of all the major religions into the world brought about psychological revolutions. The introduction of secular governments brought about a psychological revolution that worked for awhile, (two centuries).

    Now it is time again to move on.

    The mostly undeveloped brain of man, (not a product of evolution but intention) tells me man has much further to go in his/her development.

    Physically violent revolutions are products of past thinking. We are now at the peak of that past thinking. The present world religions (as they are now taught to the masses) are at the peak of their effect on the masses. Something else has to be revealed… something worth thinking about that will cause change in the individual.

    It is the same with socialism, communism, fascism, capitalism, democracy, dictatorships and all the other secular systems we have used to govern the masses. They are all now obsolete. We cannot go back to them because we have played out all the aspects of them.

    Personality….that is, false personality now rules the world. But this personality has failed us; and we know it. We are finding this out in this country as we see that peaceful demonstrations against the establishment lead to violence on the side of the establishment as it seeks to keep the Status Quo. The false personality of the establishment will fight it’s challengers until everything is destroyed.

    Religion says that materialism is a temporary condition. It also says that money is the root of all evil; not because money is evil, but because it brings out the evil in man.

    Well now the evil has been exposed and gone through. Are we not up to our eyeballs in stuff, ego trips, fantasy trips of all types paid for with dollars? Isn’t it time for something else?

    Man’s essence is undeveloped as with his brain. The part of our brain that is developed has been so developed because of personality. So how do we develop essence? We start with self observation.

    The brain of man is a receptor of thoughts. There is a constant stream of thoughts running through it that cannot be turned off. We take what we want of them and leave the rest for the universe. People think they invent things…they don’t. They capture the thoughts; and in our society copy write or patent them. We think we do when we don’t. We imitate.

    Me thinks our psychological revolution will start when a new stream of thoughts flow through our receptive brains that will cause us to think anew. And my thoughts are saying it is coming soon.

    Science fiction? We shall see.

    22nd October 2012 at 11:02 am

  52. bb says:

    TO T-BIRD I did not mean to trash your WORDS but SHIRLEY MACLAINE in the past has talked about her FALSE PERSONALITY AND THE NEW AGE…In my mind a red flag shot all the way to the moon.Forgive me if i was wrong about you.

    22nd October 2012 at 11:09 am

  53. SAH says:

    Hedges might be despicable in his own Leftist ways – but he is a plaintiff on the lawsuits fighting the NDAA. Got to give him credit for that, how much have any of us done to actually FIGHT the bullshit going on right now? We all bitch and moan about liberty being destroyed and power being seized, but Hedges actually is DOING something real about it, so I will forgive him some of his misguided opinions. He’s doing a good work that we all agree with, and doing more, real substantive action to fight for the cause of liberty for all of us than his detractors care to give him credit for.

    Here is something he got right AND wrong (which is my basic problem with Hedges): déclassé intellectuals ARE where revolutions come from – true. It isn’t the FSA illiterate morons who get pissed off and try to overthrow the system, nor is it the ruling elite who the system serves who get pissed — it is the non-elite intelligentsia such as the people right here on TBP who call BULLSHIT on the system and start disseminating ‘revolutionary’ ideas. What Hedges got wrong was that déclassé intellectuals lose once the regolution is over, and also become the prime target after the revolution. Once they’ve been used to overthrow the old elites, the new elites will dispose of this class ASAP to maintain power. The natural inclination of human society is binary, and no matter how you dice it or name it things always settle back to 2 classes: Aristocrats and Plebs; Masters and Slaves; Monarch and Subjects; 1% and 99%; Politburo and the People — Call it what you want, but déclassé intellectuals never fit into the binary system – to elites, they are commoners and to commoners they are elites, and therefore inevitably get fucked either way.

    Another thing Hedges gets right and wrong: Wall st and corporations are run amok. This is true. The problem, however, is not that free market capitalism is bad. Capitalism is still the most efficient and free and prosperity creating economic system the world has yet devised. The problem is that we no longer have FAILURE. Corporations should profit and fail on their own merit (or lack of). If corporations and individuals aren’t allowed to fail, then we have 1/2 of socialism anyway – its just the 1/2 that fucks most of us and benefits the few. The solution isnt in implementing the missing 1/2 of socialism (which involves not allowing corporations and individuals to succeed on merit either), the solution is getting rid of the 1/2 of socialism that corporations have bullied us into having. I suppose that if we can’t get rid of collectivizing failure, then it is only fair to socialize success as well – but it doesn’t change the fact that socialism is horseshit and will never be as good or efficient as real free market capitalism.

    Final right yet wrong point Hedges makes – wages, education, etc are all sucking worse and worse. This is true. Where Hedges gets it wrong is in the solution. He thinks if we can just get a ‘better’ form of government that this better form of government can solve this problem of sucking. Bullshit – government is WHY everything sucks, and no matter what new form of government a revolution brings in, governments suck by their very nature. Hedges seems to get it with the NDAA/military industrial complex/Wall st – government collusion. He is missing the point entirely on Fanny/Freddy/Student loans/Medicare/welfare/Department of Education, etc. Governments NEVER BENEFIT PEOPLE except small groups purely by the law of unintended consequences. Governments, regardless of the form or who runs them, BENEFIT THEMSELVES. Period. Trading the devil you know for the devil you don’t know doesn’t accomplish shit, except maybe shift the small group of people who the government unintentionally benefits. Government will always fuck the majority of people the majority of the time, so it isn’t a solution. If a problem is important and needs to be solved – don’t let government fucking touch it, they will only make it worse.

    22nd October 2012 at 1:10 pm

  54. Thunderbird says:

    bb: you see how our associations can lead us to incorrect conclusions. Me accepts your apology.

    If you read the SAH post you will see his pattern of associations leading him to incorrect conclusions. First of all the American experiment is not finished so one cannot correctly comment and make conclusions without altering the experiment.

    And what is the American experiment?

    It started out from scratch with a new continent and people free to develop a new society. It evolved into what we have today… a marriage of socialism, communism, fascism, democracy, corporatism, and capitalism. No where in all the past societies on earth has this ever happened before. I have never felt that this society is binary or will become a binary society as he claims it will. This is fatalistic thinking from “negative associations” that lead to his fantastic fatalistic conclusions. Because our society is unique in nature and history he has no evidence from history that his associations are correct. So why does he state his conclusions? Because it makes him feel good to do so. Remember he is calling us illiterate morons; like we deserve to be ruled. And last he claims that governments never benefit people; another conclusion based on his biased associations. Americans have benefited by it’s government. What he says simply is not true. We have lived in this country for over 150 years without experiencing war and having free movement. Where else has that happened in the world?

    Today we are told that this complex society is on the brink of a financial breakdown. We are told we are doomed. But are we really? Fatalistic thinking is SAH thinking. This is only his opinions based on his associations. But his associations fall short of the mark because the American experiment is not over.

    22nd October 2012 at 1:59 pm

  55. SAH says:

    @Thunderbird – you are an idiot.

    1. What made the American Revolution unique was the fact that we were formed as a nation of “second sons”. We had a huge group of aristocratic ‘déclassé intellectuals’ who came here, who were highly educated and relatively wealthy but by virtue of birth order and the rules of primogeniture did not have landed titles in England. This gave us a huge proportion of ‘revolutionary’ thinkers relative to our population – these are the men who became our founding fathers, and as a result it took much longer for the ‘déclassé intellectuals’ of America to become eroded and for our country to go to shit. Beginning in the 19th century, immigration became primarily the “poor huddled masses” of ignorant eastern European catholic plebes and illiterate Mediterranean craftsmen who became easy servants to the new class of wealthy elites during the industrial revolution. With the rise of the FSA welfare state and public education, the déclassé intellectuals of the USA now make up a tiny fraction of the overall population. We are essentially in a binary system of Banksters/Poltical class and FSA right now.

    2. We haven’t had a war in over 150 years? What are you smoking, Thunderbird?

    3. The ‘American experiment’ has been over since the War of Northern Agression. Lincoln fucked our nation of limited Federal power, and ushered in a new experiment of Fascist Federal Power exercised by force against the States, local governments, and individuals. What you see now is the full fruiting of bullshit that came about as a result of the Civil War, and there has been NO TURNING AROUND since then. The system of government devised by our founding fathers has been dead a long time.

    4. Governments DON’T benefit the people, they benefit themselves. Any perceived benefit people receive is always traded off at a high price for something else – usually freedom and prosperity. Governments by their nature subjugate the people through police force, rob them through tribute and taxation, and kill them through war. Government is an alternative to complete anarchy and chaos, but nothing more than that, and governments don’t like to remain small and relatively powerless (which is what our founding fathers envisioned). Governments like to grow to gargantuan proportions, governments want to become empires – this is the nature of ALL forms of government. They are just different flavors of shit.

    5. It is precisely your fairy tale UTOPIAN fantasies that make the world a fucked up place. There is no fucking Utopia. There is no progress. Every time someone thinks there is going to be some ‘philosophical revolution’ or puts naive faith in mankind and government, all that happens is people die, and the new system inevitably turns out just as fucked up if not worse than the old system. Mankind sucks shit. Human nature is selfish, short sighted and flawed. Governments, comprised of human morons, exercise selfish, short sighted and flawed policies that harm the majority of individuals. There is no fucking Age of Aquarius – get it through your thick, pot smoke filled Boomer mind.

    6. I’m not a fatalist. I’m a realist, and therefore prefer self-sufficiency, individualism, and the smallest fucking government possible. I’m not holding my breath waiting for the stupid masses of human flesh to bail out society and become enlightened. History repeats itself, and ultimately all empires, groups, and governments become corrupted and die, and new corrupt groups take their place. The one thing the wretched elite assholes have correct is that the world population could be reduced to 500 million and the world would be a better place – because most people fucking suck. Groups are merely ‘mobs’ – they don’t behave any m

    7. Finally, you overuse the phrase “me thinks”. I can’t stop ROFLMFAO every time you do. Save it for the Renaissance Faire when you are wearing your man-tights and strumming your lute singing green sleeves.

    22nd October 2012 at 3:21 pm

  56. Thunderbird says:

    SAH: I accept your reply. It suits where you are coming from.

    For me, I was born a free man in a Republic, have a passport, and can travel anywhere I want. I served this country in the military to keep it free so that you can say what you want without being dragged off to the gulag. We have our problems and imperfections yes, but we are free.

    Yes, human nature is selfish, short sighted and flawed; but in this country it does not harm the majority of individuals. One can do what one wants, providing one keeps oneself informed and away from the Hakaka.

    Whatever bent your rod didn’t bend mine. I am grateful for where I am.

    The psychological revolution is coming. Don’t be so negative that you miss it.

    22nd October 2012 at 4:16 pm

  57. Stucky says:


    Me thinks that is one of thy most awesome posts ever. El magnifico!! You absolutely demolished him.

    Thunderbird posts, hands down, some of the weirdest stuff ever. I’ll bet his favorite section of Disneyworld is Fantasyland.
    “I served this country in the military to keep it free …” —- Thunderbird

    Pray tell, do reveal what you specifically did to keep this country free. Which service branch, where you served, and your job? If you are a true American hero, you deserve the recognition.

    22nd October 2012 at 4:45 pm

  58. Kill Bill says:

    Kepi, OWS and the Tea Party were co-opted some time ago. One by Soros and the CAP and the other by Koch and his front group.

    If you think they are still appealing, thats your perogative, but they arent going to change the thinking of the DC insiders club.


    Its true that SAH doesnt leave things to fate . SAH wants to dispose of the old and obsolete before their time.

    22nd October 2012 at 6:20 pm

  59. Kill Bill says:

    What does this psycho revolution entail? I am curious. Some new theory? Id Ego Superego and iEgo?

    22nd October 2012 at 6:24 pm

  60. Kepi says:

    I think the notion of co-opting is a false assessment in that it doesn’t get to the real root of what happened and instead presumes some sort of insincerity within the organization instead of realizing the methods of the organization are in conflict with victory. One thought process leads to mild paranoia, the other leads to realistic assessment. That’s important because every social movement that is not starting a civil war seeks to entrench itself within the power structure. The labor movement, the Civil Rights movement, all the organizations that seek to change the system seek to do so by implanting themselves in the dominant power structure in order to get what they want. With this in mind, there hasn’t been a significant social movement in the US since Civil Rights because they’ve refused to use tactics or techniques that forces the power structure to make the trade it traditionally makes with social movements: Order for power.

    22nd October 2012 at 7:13 pm

  61. Kreditanstalt says:

    You can’t have one standard of economic and personal liberty for you and me – the right to sell papayas freely door to door or do haircutting in our living rooms tax-free and without a government “license” – and at the same time lambaste “evil” big business, regulating, taxing and punishing them…

    Hedges simply doesn’t believe in the sovereign individual…or, apparently, in private property.

    23rd October 2012 at 12:07 pm

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