First I’d like to start off saying that Saturday was one of the most invigorating and inspiring days of my life. I came back from NYC with hope that the young people of this country, with the help of some members of the older generations that care about the future of this country, have the will and the fortitude to sweep away the existing corrupt corporate fascist state that exists in this country today. It was such a whirlwind day that my narrative is unlikely to have much structure. I’ll just unleash everything I can remember.

The Quinn clan piled into our minivan at 7:40 am and headed to the Big Apple. We hopped onto the PA Turnpike and headed east to the NJ Turnpike north. One thing you realize as you travel this route is that the entire storyline about needing hundreds of billions for infrastructure jobs is a crock of shit. The entire length of both Turnpikes is under construction, with lane widening, new bridges, new overpasses, and road paving. They are even working on the weekends. Any new money designated for infrastructure jobs wouldn’t be spent for three years. You know you are getting close to NYC when you see the refineries spewing whatever from their smokestacks and the smell of rotten eggs permeates the atmosphere. It was a beautiful sunny day, but winds of 30 to 40 mph were expected in the afternoon. It was going to be a bad hair day for Avalon. We reached the Lincoln Tunnel in about 90 minutes.

My mind is constantly thinking about crazy stuff. As we sped through the EZ Pass lane (only $9.50 for the privelage of entering NYC – $12.00 without EZ Pass) and entered the tunnel, you realize how susceptible it is to a terrorist. If there truly are dangerous terrorist cells roaming our countrysides, they must realize the damage they could inflict by filling a van or vans full of explosives and stopping in the Lincoln Tunnel and detonating them. The economic damage caused by shutting down one or more access points to NYC would be devastating. And there is nothing in place from the NYPD to keep that from happening. But they can shoot down a plane.

We parked in the first parking lot we could find at 35th and 8th Ave. You too can park in NYC for the low low price of only $44. At least it was valet parking. I was confident no one would want to steal anything from our twelve year old minivan unless they wanted old water bottles, candy wrappers and what I like to call debris. We sauntered over to 7th Avenue and hailed a cab. It was a non-minivan variety, so I had to sit up front with the angry cab driver. Are there any non-Muslim cab drivers in NYC? I told him to head to the World Trade Center. I can’t help it, I just love cab rides in NYC. It’s like being on a thrill ride at an amusement park. Our silent, angry Muslim cab driver proceeded to try and reach the World Trade Center in record time by cutting off any car that dared cross his path. He veered from right to left, ignoring those pesky red lights and pedestrians. I did find myself applying the invisible brake on my side and let out an occassional gasp as he worked his magic. He pulled off the 30 block trip in 10 minutes for under $10. I was truly impressed.

As we headed off in the direction of the WTC site, my first impression of the atmosphere was one of stifling, overwhelming, intimidating police presence. A convoy of at least 10 NYPD vans sped past us. There were cop cars parked everywhere. There were groups of policemen on every corner. And this was a few blocks from the protest site. I saw multiple NYPD buses and joked to Avalon that they were to transport us to the jails when the protest really got going.

It wasn’t hard to find the new World Trade Center. It is soaring above all the surrounding buildings already. It is already magnificant and will truly be a wonder of the world when it is finished.I tip my hat to the construction workers doing the fantastic work on this majestic building. I wanted to see the memorial fountains and park, but you need tickets well in advance so they can herd you like sheep through the plaza. Why they block off view of the plaza with tarps is beyond me. We were just gawking at the new tower and walking along when we stumbled upon Zuccotti Park. It was 10:00 am and from a distance it looked like a very small boy scout camp site. Your first reaction is – Wow! This is really small. This can’t be the spear point of a revolution. I was ready to wade into the fray, but Avalon needed a coffee and had to go pee pee. There is a really nice Burger King on the same block. I got in line with the boys to get the coffee and a couple sausage biscuits while Avalon went upstairs to the ladies room. One problem. The Burger King had been overrun by protestors using their bathrooms. They had put the men’s room out of order, so there was a line of men and women for the one bathroom. Only people with a receipt were allowed to go pee pee. My phone was in my pocket and with the general noise level in NYC being set on loud, I didn’t hear it as she tried to get me to bring up our receipt. Somehow she was able to charm her way into the bathroom, and all was well. Below is the view from the Burger King. Note the funny looking white hand made paper thing shaped like a bullhorn. The NPD has a law against bullhorns in NYC (shocking!!!). The protestors built their own bullhorn to amplify their speeches.

Man Made Bullhorn

Now it was time to find out for ourselves what this was all about. The second thing you notice after the smallness of the park is the overwhelming police presence. The street to the left is occupied by at least 25 NYPD vehicles. There are literally hundreds of uniformed policemen surrounding the park. There are metal police crowd control barriers encircling the site, so all who enter or leave must go through a narrow space.

Avalon had her camera charged and ready to document the truth so we could put it on TBP. I had printed up five copies of my favorite Ron Paul quote to hold up in support of the movement.


We entered the park and I wanted Avalon to take a picture of me and the two boys holding up our signs. As she was taking the picture a middle aged lady and young guy saw the signs and loved the quote. They wanted pictures too. I gave them both copies of the sign. It was a good start to our OWS experience.

The site is dotted with tents, tarp and tables. There were sleeping bags with only feet sticking out. There were rubbermaid containers and trash bags. There was one tent with a sign saying it was his living room and please don’t take pictures. The site was NOT dirty, smelly or unsanitary. The vibe coming from this park was not hostile. It was welcoming. All points of view were allowed to be shared. I had my twelve and fourteen year old sons with me and never once felt threatened or unsafe. This is truly a peaceful demonstration of free speech. The descriptions of the people Occupying Wall Street by the MSM are blatantly false. It has absolutely nothing to do with the two establishment political parties. It is not a Democratic Tea Party. It isn’t the Republican neo-con version of the Tea Party either. But it does have the feel of the original Boston Tea Party, telling the authorities to stick it up their asses.

There are many different views being shared, but the prevailing message is that a few powerful men have corrupted our system and have looted the wealth of the hard working middle class. I saw no one representing the Free Shit Army looking for more handouts. From a demographic viewpoint, this protest is clearly being led by the Millenial Generation. There are no Boomers pulling the strings behind the scenes and calling the shots. George Soros and Jesse Jackson haven’t hijacked the agenda. I would estimate that 60% of the crowd were Millenials, with 20% Gen-X and 20% Baby Boomers. I would estimate that 75% of the crowd was white, with 15% hispanic and 10% black. The stereotypes being portrayed by the MSM get blown out of the water when you see for yourself. A young black guy with a NOBAMA shirt on marched by us holding an End the Fed sign. That was the last thing I thought I would see. Later in the day I was handed a Bernanke buck by a young black man as he described the evils of inflation and the Federal Reserve. Does that sound like what you are hearing on Fox News?

We slowly meandered through the park soaking in everything. There was a positive feeling as you walked among the protestors. It was invigorating to see democracy and free speech happening in the public square. These people in a few short weeks had created a community. They don’t all agree on the issues, but they are open to different points of view, while understanding who the enemy really is – the Wall Street bankers, Federal Reserve, politicians and mega-corporations. These people are here for the long haul. They have set up there own dining area and supporters from around the country are sending food.

The owner of the property and the City were ready to move the protestors so they could clean the park. The protestors jumped into action with their own Sanitation department and cleaned the park themselves.

We passed a Medical “center” were registered nurses provided any medical treatment needed by the protestors or visitors. This “revolution” which has spread across the country and around the globe is being turbo charged by social media, alternative media, and the internet. The mainstream media continues to misrepresent the movement because it is a threat to their corporate owners. There is no electricity or running water in the park. I saw a recharging station set up where a gas powered generator was being used to power multiple power strips. There were cell phones and computers plugged into the power strips to recharge so the protestors could continue to get the message and pictures out to the world.

There were areas where anyone could make their own sign. An older gentleman was manning a little contraption and making protest buttons at a pace of one every 10 seconds. Jimmy and Michael both got buttons and proudly displayed them on their shirts. The whole park had the feel of a festival. As you walked around you were anticipating seeing something new and unusual. To those who think it is just a disorganized mass of left wing hippies, you are badly mistaken. They have the week plotted out on a black board. They have working groups and protest activities planned.

We had been on-site for about an hour when we saw a group gathering to march somewhere. They had flags and began to circle the park chanting anti-bank slogans. They were headed for the banks. I learned later that some of these people were arrested as they occupied a Citibank branch and refused to yield. There was talk of a march on Times Square at 5:00 pm, but we figured it wouldn’t amount to much. The protestors seemed too few to cause much problem in Times Square.

As it approached 11:30 we needed to skeedadle. Avalon had booked ferry tickets to the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island at noon. I was kind of bummed to leave so soon. I wasn’t sure if we’d make our way back to the park before heading to Times Square. We headed for Battery Park to catch our ferry. Along the way we passed the iconic Bull.

Even the damn bull is surrounded by police barriers. Are they worried someone is going to do some bull tipping? As you walk along the streets of Lower Manhattan you are struck by the hordes of Chinese and Japanese and Europeans in groups. They may be eating our lunch economically, but they sure love the glitz and glamour of NYC. Thank God Avalon booked the tickets in advance. It was a two hour wait if you didn’t reserve. We made it up to the processing center in 15 minutes. The winds had picked up to at least 30 mph and the NY Harbor was filled with white caps. Avalon has an irrational fear of water and drowning. The boys and I seize upon this fear to describe the potential capsizing of our ferry. And there is always – “The sea was angry that day Jerry, like an old man sending back soup at a deli.”

Eventually we were led into a huge white tent. Welcome to government drone overkill. We are tourists going to gawk at the Statue of Liberty and try to learn something about our heritage. They did the whole TSA routine on every tourist. Belts off, jewelry off, cell phones, wallets, keys all in a bin. Everyone through a metal detector. Agents questioning you. What a joke. What exactly is a terrorist going to do to the Statue of Liberty? If they aren’t going to pick an easy target like the Lincoln Tunnel, why would they try anything to a statue. This is just another example of government acting like they are protecting us from something, when there is nothing to be protected from. A couple terrorists could walk into Battery Park with a machine guns and take out a thousand people in five minutes.

In a few more minutes we were on our way. The ferry didn’t capsize. There is no more inspirational view than seeing the Statue of Liberty up close and personal.

We had visited the Statue of Liberty before, so we stayed onboard to Ellis Island. We walked through the museum exhibits and watched a movie describing the bravery and sacrifice that immigrants made to come to this country. The conditions that immigrants lived in at the turn of the century were beneath squalor. These immigrants built this country. They built the skyscrapers that dot the NYC skyline. They fought and died in WWI and WWII. They did the blue collar jobs that grew the GDP of this country. Many of the ancestors of these immigrants are the protestors occupying Zuccotti Park. The American Dream that sustained the new immigrants to this country has been destroyed by the greed and corruption of the bankers and CEOs living in the buildings built by those immigrants. It just so happened they were having an Alcatraz exhibit and we walked through. Alcatraz was shut down in 1963. In 1969 young Native Americans seized the island and occupied it for nineteen months, bringing publicity to the plight of American Indians. They accomplished their goal through peaceful protest and willingness to stick it out for almost two years. I thought it was an interesting lesson on a day when young occupiers on Wall Street are starting their second month of occupation. After doing an on-line search for my grandfather’s arrival at Ellis Island we headed back to NYC. The view heading back was even more spectacular.

Back on dry land we headed to the bastion of revolutionaries everywhere – T.G.I. Fridays. After a quick lunch (How about $19 for a cheeseburger? – No inflation my fat ass) we decided to go back to Zuccotti Park. We couldn’t get enough of this lesson in democracy. When we arrived it was bustling with activity. It was twice as crowded as it was at 10:00 am. We were drawn to a circle where a few guys were playing drums and bongos while three other guys were break dancing. They were extremely entertaining and got the crowd to chant ECONOMIC FREEDOM while they performed. I looked at the crowd. Young, old and in between all had smiles on their faces. The vibe of this park was about positive change, not the negativity you see from politicians and MSM pundits.

We again waded into the chaos to see what was happening. There were film crews and people being interviewed. There were many more signs and banners. The park is now a stop on the double decker tourist bus tours that criss cross the city. A double decker bus was stopped and the 95 Asian and 5 American tourists were snapping away with their cameras. The perception among many people, put there by the MSM, is that the young people in this park are dumb and lazy. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many understand the true cause of our economic troubles and the never ending and accelerating debasement of our currency. The MSM wants the ignorant masses to think the people in this park hate capitalism and the rich. This is another false storyline fed to the sheeple. The people in this park KNOW we don’t have capitalism. We have a corporate/banking kleptocracy. I chatted with these two young guys. They would fit in perfectly on TBP.

The MSM want these protestors to fit into their preconceived ideological holes. Again, they are wrong. Is this guy a left winger? Is he a right winger? He’s neither. He understands both wings are corrupt. He knows the whole system is a sham. He knows who is responsible.

These people heard Romney say that corporations are people too. They get it. They know our politicians from both parties are captured by the mega-corporations and do their bidding. They know why the Federal Tax code is 60,000 pages. They know who contributes to Obama, Romney and the rest of the bought off hacks running this country. They know Perry and the rest of the fundamentalists are hypocrites. They know the system can’t be changed incrementally by electing the same people who put the system in place.

As we walked through the winding path in the park, I was handed materials from various occupants. One leaflet was titled “ARE YOU AN ANARCHIST?” After reading it, I’d have to say yes. I liked the quote at the end of the leaflet – “If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.” – Emma Goldman. There were some Chinese people protesting AGAINST the communist oppression in their country. We came upon an older gentleman named Harry Braun. He was giving a speech to anyone who would listen about convening a Constitutional Convention and implementing Article V of the Constitution to bypass Congress and the 35,000 lobbyists that control the agenda in Washington DC. All points of view were being broadcast in this town square.

We then met up with the youngest protestor of the day.

I explained to my sons that this entire protest was really about their futures. The past and current generations in control had saddled their generation with unpayable debts and a system that will eventually collapse under the weight of military expenditures and entitlement promises that can never be honored. Young people have done what they were told to do by their parents and are left holding the bag, as the jobless recovery enters its third year. Meanwhile the Wall Street bankers are paying themselves billions in bonuses because somehow bank profits are “soaring”.

Some of the older generation get it. They realize that they are possibly the last generation to live a better life than their parents generation. This movement isn’t young versus old or poor versus rich. It is about middle class Americans having a chance at a better life. The current system makes that an impossiblity. It is built upon lies and unsustainable debt creation. This lady gets it.

When the system is utterly corrupt and unfixable, it is our right to revolt. Thomas Jefferson made that clear over two hundred years ago:

“God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure.”

The young people leading this protest in a tiny park, surrounded by hoardes of armed police, amongst the skyscrapers built by their fathers and grandfathers, are sparking a revolution that is spreading across the globe. Technology is being used like never before to spread truth and ideas. This makes those in control very nervous. And they should be nervous. Their corrupt crony capitalist system is begining to crumble. This little town square sparked protests across the world on Saturday.

The rebirth of democracy is inspiring to those willing to enter the fray. If you stand on the sidelines and scorn and ridicule those willing to fight for justice, then you are part of the problem. Your world will change anyway, but you won’t be part of the change.

The occupiers were completely peaceful while we were there. The police who surrounded the site wore scowls on their faces as if they were looking for a fight. As we walked along the outside of the park Avalon was snapping pictures and the policewoman yelled at her for blocking the sidewalk. I thought I said shut up under my breath as we passed the cranky policewoman, but Avalon heard me, so maybe it wasn’t under my breath. I want to stress that the police presence is absolutely overwhelming. If they are given the order, they could clear that park in five minutes with their manpower. A peaceful example of democracy and free speech could turn into something completely different if someone does something stupid.

This guy said he was a veteran. He was yelling at the cops, declaring this isn’t the same country he fought for.

Here is a miscellaneous collection of signs we saw around Zuccotti Park. Do these people fit the description you are hearing from the MSM? Are these people communists? Are these people socialists? Are these people stupid? Are these people lazy bums?

NO. These people are YOU.

We finally decided it was time to head up to Times Square. Avalon’s ulterior motive for this entire trip was to get a bowl of won ton soup at Ruby Foos at 49th and Broadway. It was around 5:30 pm. We thought the protest portion of our trip was complete. Time for some NYC fun. We started walking away from the protest and in a few minutes we were next to the Brooklyn Bridge where a week or so ago  700 protestors had been arrested after the NYPD misled them into believing they were allowed to march on the bridge. Then we approached the City Hall area. I assume Bloomberg lives in one of these grand buildings fit for a billionaire. As we approached a street corner, Avalon spotted one of the thousands of security cameras keeping a Big Brother eye on the citizens of NYC. 60 Minutes had detailed the scary 1984 like ability of the NYPD to see everyone and everything in NYC. We took a picture of them taking pictures of us. I’m sure we went into some special database. Only anarchists and troublemakers would take a picture of a security camera.

We eventually stopped on a corner to hail a cab for our return to Times Square. The goal was to be picked up by Ben Bailey in the Cash Cab, so we could show how smart we are. Michael declared that he would handle all the history questions since he has a 105 average so far in Social Studies. He is studying the American Revolution. We have been discussing the similarities and differences between that revolution and what is happening today in our country. As we waited for a cab, what appeared on the opposite corner was classic NYC.

A man with a pink dress and a cowboy hat was coming our way. We told ourselves he had to be going to a costume party, but it was only October 15. The people he was with were not dressed in costumes. Maybe it was a breast cancer awareness month statement. Or, maybe he just thought he looked good in pink.

We eventually hailed down a cab. The driver asked where we were going. When I told him Times Square he let out a sigh. I wondered why, since that would be a decent fare for him. He grunted to get in. Shockingly, he was a muslim. My guess was Pakastani. I expected another silent ride of terror, but he struck up a conversation with Avalon. We told him we were coming from the Occupy Wall Street site and he looked at me and said I looked like a Wall Street guy. He’s lucky I was in a good mood. His cell phone rang and he began to jabber in an absolutely indecipherable language. I think I heard the word infidel, but I’m not sure. The only scarier thing than a cab ride in NYC is a cab ride while the driver is talking on his cell phone. I swear we almost hit at least five other vehicles during the trip. I let out a few visible gasps during the ride. As we approached 34th street it was complete gridlock. I told the driver to let us out and we’d walk to Times Square. It was pushing 6:00 pm as we approached Times Square. It sure looked extra crowded. Then we realized that Occupy Wall Street had marched to Times Square. It was a sea of people for as far as the eye could see.

My first thought was that the whole spectacle was awesome. There were at least 20 times as many people in this protest as there were at Zuccotti Park. The atmosphere was electric. We were at 42nd street and there was some sort of platform where anyone could get up to speak to the crowd. Since bullhorns were not allowed, the speaker would say three or four words and those around them would shout the word simultaneously, becoming a human bullhorn. I loved it. The crowd would begin chanting things like:

Banks got bailed out, we got sold out.

The people united will never be defeated. 

I didn’t think I’d get to use my protest sign again, but I was wrong. I unfolded it and held it up for the crowd to see.

Again the police presence was stifling. They use the metal barriers to funnel the protestors where they want them. As Avalon waded deep into the crowd to take videos and pictures, I observed the crowd and the police. The four police men and women near us looked like they were 21 years old. I looked at their faces and their eyes. They looked confused. They looked worried. They weren’t scared, because the crowd was not scary. It was citizens utilizing their right to free speech. I wondered what was going through the minds of these young policemen. They must realize they are part of the 99%. These protestors are representing their interests. If and when the order comes to inflict pain on the citizens protesting, I wonder how they will react.

For those who think these crowds are nothing but young hoodlums and troublemakers, one protestor said it all with his sign.

The crowd was made up of normal people. It was made up of young, middle aged and old people. It was made up of men and women. It was made up of white people, black people, asian people, and hispanic people. It was made up of Republicans and Democrats. It was made up of you and me.

The crowd even had a few sheeple and guys wearing barrels.

After spending about an hour watching the speeches and joining in on the chants, the girl announced that the police were arresting protestors at 47th street. This spurred the loudest chant yet:


We needed to get to 49th Street for Avalon’s won ton soup. I felt like the Blues Brothers on a mission from God. We would not be deterred. We fought our way through the crowd to 45th street and we were about to go down to 6th Avenue and try to circle the protest. Then right in front of us a protestor starts to shimmy up the stop light to get on top.

When he reached the top, the crowd let out a roar of approval. He began to lead a chant that resonated for blocks:


I was expecting the cops to come rushing down the sidewalk and pull him down. But they didn’t move. The chant went on for minutes. The whole scene got surreal as a police helicopter hovered over the crowd in Times Square. Again, intimidation tactics and the threat of overwhelming force are ever present. With two teenage boys, we decided it was time to exit stage left.

As we walked down 45th towards 6th Avenue we could finally breath. Then directly in front of me was this dude with his sign. You constantly go from the surreal to the comic in NYC.

I told Avalon to take his picture. She took the picture and the guy then asked her if he could smell her ass. She thought he was joking, so she said sure. He then bent down trying to smell her ass and she had to run away from him. We laughed hysterically as we made our way to 6th Avenue. What a day. We made our way to 49th street and our quest was almost complete. We entered the Holy Grail of Ruby Foos and sat down at a table. There was a young woman with her seven year old or so daughter eating at the table next to us. The woman had noticed the protest buttons the boys were wearing and asked if we were coming from the protest. We told her we were from Philly and had come up to see for ourselves. It just so happens that she was one of the 1st 100 people who slept at Zuccotti Park on the 1st day of the protests. She said they were terrified as the police, in full riot gear, surrounded them for the entire night. She works on the Occupy Wall Street Journal and she gave me her contact information. I hope she will join the dialogue on TBP.

Finally, we had reached our destination. The goal was within reach. And before long, there it was. A gigantic bowl of Ruby Foos won ton soup. Avalon was heard to say, “Life is like a bowl of Ruby Foos won ton soup, you never know what you’re going to get.”

We departed Ruby Foos at 9:00 pm and headed for our minivan at 35th street. We passed the police on horses that had earlier disbursed the crowd through their threats of bodily harm. I left NYC with a renewed hope for our country. A new spirit has ignited in a tiny public square in lower Manhattan. Our forefathers would be proud of these young people. It is time to get involved. It is time to send the oligarchy a message. Their time is short. The people are going to take this country back.

And so ended our lesson in democracy and most excellent adventure in NYC.


  1. Awesome story. I hope these somehow get archived for future reference for when these people’s kids want to know what went down back then.

  2. Good for you, Admin, for both the trek and your recollection of it here. My feeling for the nature of the OWSers I met in Lansing is much the same as yours. This is a Middle American moment.

  3. Thanks for the tour, pictures, and the truth Admin; it is really inspiring to see such enthusiam. This movement is going to explode; I can feel it. For the first time in years I can feel change in the air that is positive. The mobsters running this country and Europe are going down. I think people are really coming together. There is a long list of grievances to be addressed and no amount of police is going to stop it. People want justice and liberty. I can see they are going to get it.

  4. Admin: words can’t describe the service you provide in the name of freedom and liberty. One quick question: was the fart-smeller dude AWD?

  5. Admin, i’m going to swallow my words from a while back and say that i am beginning to understand the magnitude of this movement. even though soros and others attempted to co-opt everything, the boulder is now rolling downhill with far too much steam for anyone to control it. this is a real people’s movement.

    if it wasn’t for TBP, i’d have stayed in my original opinion that it was all planned and co-opted.

    I still, however, feel that until people start to actually hit the bankers in the wallet that nothing will come to fruition. it’s time to stop going to work, especially if you work for a megacorporation. its time to keep the top 1% from adding to that difference between their incomes and ours.

  6. Great article, Admin, in all seriousness. Every time I see a report from you and other TBPers not content to listen to punditry and go and see for themselves I am truly proud.

    I wish those who get their info from the Talk Jocks take pause to read and understand… This is the result of corruption being legalized and then, when the “suckers” do the “right thing” and suddenly realize it’s just a con, the folks on the “smart” side of the con say: “Ha ha dumb ass. Sucks to be you”

    Cause and effect.

    TBP is doing the ideal of Freedom a service…

  7. From what I’ve seen on the net, the news and in person in Occupy Philly, I like the undercurrent of community spirit (“we’re all in this together”) and even some humility (which is one of the good reasons for not coming with a set of predetermined truths and actions). I would hope for a lot more humility because as Pogo said, “We have met the enemy, and he is us.” I hope more and more people (from the 99% AND the 1%) are moved by OWS to do some soul searching and brutally honest confessing. We have all played our parts in getting where we are, and recovery starts with accepting our personal responsibility whether that be simply not paying attention and being selfish, or whether it includes committing massive fraud.

    I continue to be very concerned that the movement is ripe for being co-opted and moved in negative or non-productive directions, especially by TPTB working behind the scenes and through proxies. Even without being manipulated by TPTB, the Republicans and Democrats, or any other status quo power base, the movement seems vulnerable to eventually running off the rails by their own simple emotion. In fact, if a takeover or self-destruct do NOT happen before a clear agenda of some kind is developed, it will have to be the first time in history. I think of the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution which might have looked a lot like this in the first early days.

    If I were part of the movement (and I’m not) I would advocate for making “Prosecute the Fraud” as the first or one of the first demands. We’ve all made mistakes (of commission and omission) but only some of us have committed actual crimes. Let’s start there by prosecuting the frauds that are currently illegal (starting with the biggest frauds and working our way down the food chains). The system has to be either reformed (which begins with prosecution) or it has to be replaced. Demanding prosecutions would be a good way to help us decide if reform is possible, or if replacement will be required. Secondly, prosecution is one of the few steps that could be taken without educating and moving millions of people. All it would take is one courageous public servant here (an order by the President) or there (the NY Attorney General, the US AG, the FBI Director, the SEC Chairman). This would be a clear litmus test as to who we should vote for or against. Third, prosecutions would have a huge deterrent effect on those who thrive on ripping us and the system off. This is something we could build on. Besides, who could be against “Prosecute the Fraud”? I know, I know. Bush and Obama, Greenspan and Bernanke, Geithner and Paulson, and Holder: they’re all opposed to prosecuting the fraud. But that makes them obvious targets for replacement, doesn’t it. Who in America CAN’T understand “Prosecute the Fraud?” Who in America, the Tea Party, the left or the right, the students and the retired, or the OWS movement wouldn’t be heartened and energized by seeing a huge wave of prosecutions begin? Think of how many aspiring future national leaders would see this as their ticket to higher office and jump into it with both feet?

  8. i took notes as i read this excellent essay. i do not mean to be overly snarky, or in any way diminish.

    1) non-muslim cab drivers. yes they exist. their numbers are increasing. this is one of my most reliable economic indicators–the increasing frequency of encountering a cabbie who speaks unaccented english. white guys. jewish guys. white females! (no shit). have some compassion for the dwindling numbers of angry muslims–they’ve been driven back to their sleeper cells.

    2) the police presence is nostalgia. for those halcyon days of fall 2001. when we were all freaked out and terrified. but father rudy and all his blue-clad elves kept us safe in the aftermath. i think that is the feeling they are going for.

    3) it took em eight or nine years to get started. but that sucker of a new WTC is zooming skyward fast.

    4) somehow, the burger king part of the story makes me think of the digital underground hit, ‘The Humpty Dance’.

    5) the demographics of zuccotti square are slightly different each time i go down there. yesterday (sunday) it was a bit younger and maybe a higher percentage of ‘hippie types’. but admin’s estimate of the mix is consistent with mine.

    6) the ‘sanitation department’ was in place and active before the attempted clean out. probably from the first weekend, but i had a long, interesting conversation regarding the pros and cons of port-a-potties with one of the sanitation committee members the sunday prior to the clean up. proactive, not reactive.

    7) ellis island is frigging awesome. i gotta visit again soon. (even though my forebears disembarked elsewhere, a bit earlier. but i welcome you late arrivals.)

    8) if you hear a cabbie speak into his cell phone the words ‘derka derka muhammed jihad’, ask him to pull over and get out.

    9) i pay close attention to the faces of the cops. survival mechanism from youth. now more out of curiosity and analysis of what this OWS thing means. i have sensed varied and interesting emotions over the four weeks on their faces.

    10) “The (times square) crowd was made up of normal people. It was made up of young, middle aged and old people. It was made up of men and women. It was made up of white people, black people, asian people, and hispanic people. It was made up of Republicans and Democrats. It was made up of you and me.”

    bingo, dude. exactamundo!

    11) ‘full riot gear’??? or just blue helmets?
    (just messing with llpoh. move along, nothing to see)

    12) damn that looks yummy. maybe i’ll hit chinatown for dinner tonight

    13) being at zuccotti park is exciting. it is inspiring. great telling of your story. wonderfully echoes my experiences of OWS.

    thanks jim.

  9. i have lots of pessimism about darn near everything. especially this OWS thing. i have guesses and opinions about what is going to happen. with the market, with the next election, with OWS.

    but that is about prediction and the future; description of the here and now is separate and distinct from my dumb forecasts.

  10. i share the resentment from thco655 as well, this movement is definitely ripe for being co-opted and/or discredited. protesting or not, most americans’ herd-mentality is already leading to the need for a “leader” of the movement. that leader could easily be a false prophet. i know on this site everyone (except me) wants to see Ron Paul as that leader. Personally, i am leery of any “leader” of a “grassroots” movement such as this.

    please don’t let those lemmings get led right off the cliff…

  11. As I read though Admin’s account of OWS, I couldn’t help for think about this passage from Romans chapter 8:

    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.
    (Romans 8:18-25 ESV)

  12. Thank you for your service to your country.

    your doing more for it than any neocon war mongering drone flying button pusher

  13. Admin.,

    Good story and sound like a fun outing with the family. Seems RP gets a good percentage of the signs. If this movement gets on a sound footing, I will send them a monthly allowance.

  14. 100% Truth here folks.

    Brilliantly done, Jim. I regret not taking more pictures. I’m glad you did. Copied and pasted all of them to a Word document for posterity.

    Serious rhetorical question: Did you smell urine? Or marijuana? Did you see prostitutes or actual sexual activity? Did you see Communists? Of course you did not. Right?

    Yet, that was how the movement was protrayed yet again even last night on the shitty cable stations. It is a good service that you and others here have portrayed the actual Truth. God bless you.

    I used to work for a company called Liberty Mortgage, just a few blocks from Holland Tunnel in Jersey City. You are 1,000% correct about THAT being the real terrorist opportunity. Tens of thousands of cars passing through — NOT ONE being checked for bombs, biological weapons. What a royal clusterfuck it will be if anything goes off in a tunnel!! Yet …. they protect the fucking Bull??? LMFAO (I believe that Bull has been protected for several years now.)

    One real question. WHat is your opinion on this movement being co-opted? A few comments on that here already … and the MSM speaks of it constantly.

    Again … terrific reporting.

    PS. This will be my last post for today and possibly more days. I am in a lot of pain with my back … got worse through the night. Can barely sit in one spot for more than 5 minutes. If it doesn’t get better in a day or so I just might have to check into a hospital.

    1. Stuck

      I’m sorry to hear about your back. You have to stop trying those crazy sex positions with Ms. Freud.

      No urine smell at all. No smell of trash or garbage. Late in the afternoon there may have been the faint whiff of marijuana. I think the old lady holding my Ron Paul sign was a prostitute – 50 years ago.

      I was desperately trying to find a communist, but I was unsuccessful. I was also hoping to run into George Soros, but I think he was busy causing revolution in Europe.

      I do not think this movement will be co-opted. It is completely non-political. There was not one sign supporting Obama anywhere to be seen. These people are not dumb. They are not being led. They are leading. They realize that the whole system is corrupt. Neither the Democrats or Republicans will fix the system because they created the system jointly.

      I’d love to see a 3rd Party rise up from this discontent, but I don’t think it will happen. I have no idea what will happen next, but I do know this is not going to die out. It has a life of its own.

      Fourth Turnings sure are interesting.

  15. I think the agenda is developing nicely. No one person is compiling it. As I see it developing it is a long list of grievances just like the first revolution. This is taking time. It is frustrating to the authorities because they want something to grasp at with their own strategy but can’t because there is nothing to fight. So their only move is to intimidate with their overwhelming presence. Only problem with this is other places where they need to be are left without their presence and the cost of overtime is costing them badly needed money they can’t afford.

    So the current agenda is occupation. I would think the next agenda when it gets cold is to fill the jails. Wear the system down until the authorities wave the white flag and ask for the demands. Make them come to the table. Then roll out the list of grievances. At the top of the list (if I were compiling it) would be 1) restoring the constitutional common law courts for the people. That is where the grievances need to be filed; not in the administrative courts that are rigged against the people. 2) Demand inditements and prosecutions of all those involved (including politicians) in the financial frauds that brought about the economic conditions we are in. 3) Demand that all lobbying of the congress by corporations and special interest groups be stopped immediately.

    I think this is a good start. Some are wondering why OWS does not seem focused on demands. OWS does not need to act on anything yet. Time is on their side. This is an occupation. All they have to do is wait. The white flag will eventually come out and then negotiations will start. This is when to rubber hits the road. And you can bet it will. Patience is a virtue. Let it work. And I can see the 2012 elections are going to be interesting.

  16. ragman:
    No that wasn’t me you smart-ass. I’m glad I don’t have to smell your BO. Jimbo wouldn’t let me smell his wife’s ass (but he did let that pervert do it). Shows stability in their marriage.

    Having been to NYC many times, and my second daughter having been conceived there in a Time’s square hotel (TMI), I could almost feel myself there while reading your piece. That is a great service to shut-ins like myself (geographical shut-in). I think you should find and post parts of the Citigroup “plutonomy” memo, warning against exactly what is happening now. Would be a great augment to your piece.

    It’s amazing to me all the people tired of getting fucked, and that POS Obama trying to jump on the bandwagon even though Wall Street/banksters/financesters are his main contributor. I keep hoping they are going to go after Obama and call for his resignation along with Bernake and Geitner. No such luck yet.

    I had never heard of Harry Braun (for president):
    “We the People, hereby empower the majority of American citizens to approve
    all federal legislation, executive orders and judicial decisions
    that impact the majority of citizens.”

    This is direct democracy. It is my hope that, as a result of these protests, this is what is achieved. People can propose any legislation, and changes, and rules and vote on them. Completely eliminate representative government, replaced by the 99% of people in this country. It is the future, and what will work. Btw, I’ll save the weight comments (based on your photos) for a more appropriate time.

  17. Stuck:

    Stretching, every 30 minutes if need be. Sit on the carpet, legs together, try to touch your toes, and then loop your leg over the other leg until you feel it pull, stretch, and then a little farther. And deep pressure, 60-90 seconds on each spot, by Ms. Freud, will keep you out of the hospital. Or, you may need a CT scan to make sure you don’t have an abdominal aortic aneurysm.

  18. I truly never, ever thought somebody would want to sniff another person’s ass. Thats the only reason I jokingly responded to him by saying “sure, why not”. But he really persisted, I had to get away.

    Jim mentioned that I reserved our ferry tickets online the night before. I highly recommend this if you plan to go to Liberty or Ellis Island. Go to http://statuecruises.com for this. It really did save tons of time.

    It was a great day in NYC, I always love going there. It was fun seeing what this movement is all about, it will be interesting to see where it will lead.

  19. I was in NYC on New Year’s eve once. Went to a play on Broadway, and got out close to eleven. We tried to walk through times square, but there were 350,000 people there, a literal sea of people. It was the cops that really made an impression on me though. I’d never seen so many cops in my whole life. They could have beaten the shit out of 350,000 people without thinking twice.

    It’s amazing isn’t it? NYPD went from being hero’s with NYFD in 2001 to being armed thugs in 2011. Every picture I’ve seen of the cops, from every source, shows them with a sneer on their face looking like they want to fight, beat somebody up, and practice their neck crushing choke holds. I’m sure they’re dying to practice what they’ve learned in “school”.

  20. Nice story. When the Tea Party first got started, and before it was co-opted by politicians etc., they stood for a lot of what’s going on here. But it seems to me that a lot of the people out there now are the same ones who marginalized and labeled the original Tea Partiers as old, racist, white people and “teabaggers”.

  21. Great job, Jim. I heard a local Chicago newscaster say this morning that he fully supported the Occupy movement and was going to head down there to support them after the show was over. He expressed the same viewpoints you did here — peaceful, understand what’s wrong, don’t NEED a message map to effect change. I do believe people are waking up. And kudos to the kids who continue to ensure that it’s peaceful… that is what is making the difference.

    Stucky, feel better!

  22. “Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on September 17, New York security consultant Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to infiltrate and discredit the movement. Ryan says he’s done contract work for the U.S. Army and he brags on his blog that he leads “a team called Black Cell, a team of the most-highly trained and capable physical, threat and cyber security professionals in the world.” But over the past few weeks, he and his computer security buddies have been spending time covertly attending Occupy Wall Street meetings, monitoring organizers’ social media accounts, and hanging out with protesters in Lower Manhattan.”

    This is the cocksucker.
    Rest of story here;

    1. Stuck

      I saw that guy. I kicked him in the balls and told him never to set foot on OWS again. He scampered away like a cur.


        Plutonomy – n. An economy that is driven by or that disproportionately benefits wealthy people, or one where the creation of wealth is the principal goal. [Blend of pluto- (wealth) and economy.]

        The plutonomy thesis helps to explain why high oil prices haven’t slowed the global economy, why consumer confidence might be low yet consumption remains robust in the United States, and why the depreciation of the dollar hasn’t done much for the U.S. trade deficit.

        Citigroup Global Markets says it is time to binge on bling. That is, load up again on plutonomy stocks. For the uninitiated, those are the stocks that stand to benefit from spending by the uber-rich.

        In a report called “The Plutonomy Symposium Rising Tides Lifting Yachts,” Ajay Kapur, Citigroup’s global strategist, says the balance sheets of the rich are “in great shape, and will get much better,” which is why he recommends going out and buying stocks of companies that cater to that very select market.

        Spending by the uber-rich overwhelms that of the average consumer and helps explain why the U.S. economy has continued to do well and the U.S. dollar hasn’t collapsed even in the face of the current federal budget deficit, a negative savings rate, global imbalances and high energy prices, he says. The United States is one of the plutonomy countries countries whose economies are powered by a relatively small number of rich people.
        —Angela Barnes, “Want wealth? Invest in the uber-rich,” The Globe and Mail, October 2, 2006

  23. Nice piece. Contemplating a trip to NYC first week of November for my 43rd bday. Wonder if this will still be going on?

  24. @ Avalon,

    Funny story…Late in my high school years we had a friend that earned the title “Dumb Mexican”…Think the name is funny, wait till you hear how he got it. We were having a pool party at a friend’s house and playing marco polo. When I “bottom burped” while I was underwater. I came up out of the water and said, “Whew! Man that one stinks (referring to my fart)”….My poor mexican friend that was close by said “Huh?”…to my reply, “My fart stunk real bad underwater.”….He looked at me increduously, not believing me so I said, “Go under water and smell for yourself..”

    Sure enough he took my suggestion and went under water and attempted to smell my fart…

    He quickly leaped up out of the water and began to cough like he choked on water or something…and said, “I tried to but water started going up my nose!”

    Thus, the nickname “Dumb Mexican”

    Wrong on so many levels..#1 being who would want to smell someone else’s fart, and #2 Seriously? trying to smell something underwater?!

  25. Stucky:

    These you quoted are all arbitrary administrative laws. Since the administrative courts across the land understand and practice contract law the way around this is to not accept the bill or “offer to contract” from the police by their citations. This will result in going to jail for a night because the cops don’t understand this. But you got to do what you got to do. Spending a night in jail will soon clog the jail system if everybody does this. Try to understand how administrative law works. This law does not recognize your 1st amendment rights under the constitution. That is why the constitutional courts have to be re-instated across the land, so people can have their rights protected.

  26. Very inspirational and quite touching, JQ. I’ll bet this post goes viral on you. It should..

    Just a note: ecliptix543 and Muck About will hold an Occupy Daytona Beach tomorrow starting at 11:30 Am at the Ale House just East of I95 on International Blvd. After talking it over, we may just stay there for the Occupation..


    1. Muck

      We expect a post from Occupy Ye Old Ale House. You and ecliptix543 are true patriots. Is Samuel Adams going to join you?

      1. Wall Street Protest Backed by New Yorkers 3-1: Poll

        Occupy Wall Street, the movement that’s spread from Lower Manhattan to as far as Rome and Hong Kong, is backed by New Yorkers by a ratio of almost 3-to-1, Quinnipiac University pollsters found.

        Sixty-seven percent of New York City voters said they agree with the protesters’ views, the university’s Polling Institute reported today. Support ranged from 81 percent among Democrats, to 58 percent from independents, to 35 percent by Republicans. By 72 percent to 24 percent, voters said demonstrators who obey the law can stay as long as they want.

        The protests that began on Sept. 17 have inspired thousands to take to the streets in 100 U.S. cities and around the world on four continents, according to organizers. Participants say they represent “the 99 percent,” a reference to economist Joseph Stiglitz’s study showing the richest 1 percent of Americans control 40 percent of U.S. wealth.

        “Critics complain that no one can figure out what the protesters are protesting,” said Maurice Carroll, director of the Hamden, Connecticut-based poll. “But 7 out of 10 New Yorkers say they understand and most agree with the anti-Wall Street views of the protesters.”

  27. One yellow screen after another. Not a pink screen in sight.

    “Late in the afternoon there may have been the faint whiff of marijuana.”

    I knew it. I just knew it. Despite Admin’s observations of the demographics of the protesters, this OWS shit is just another Boomer covert op to recreate a Woodstock atmosphere in the big cities. Mary Jane sales going off the charts!!!! Overcrowded hospital nurseries in about 9 months!!!!

    There. That ought to do it.

  28. Moving money is what will help to solve the economic problems of this world. But it must go further than just moving money locally or to ‘good’ sources. We must deny usury in general. It is truly evil. It makes a unnatural bond with the two parties in contract. It is the bases of indebtedness which is a bond most unlike love, in fact it is the opposite of love. It is a bond of what Saint Augustine called powerlust.

    The disparity of wealth is because of usury. Usury creates a vertical pulling force that stretches income disparity. It causes the wealthy to get more wealthy and pushes the bottom further down. Usury is a contract built on lies: “I will give you x% more, if you let me borrow y.” However, people cannot know whether they can give x% more, or even y back. It is not a promise a man can make. It is based on a lie. People need to walk out in faith with their money and not only invest it, but to put it to work and NOT expect to get a return or even to get it back at all! Strange and ideal as it sounds.

    If the Occupation movement were to understand that idea and to express it well, they might actually do some good. But are the 99% willing to sacrifice? I expect they will just promote anarchy, which is just as evil as what came before it. Time will tell.

    Since today’s scripture was “Render to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, render to God what is God’s,” it made me think.

  29. Thanks for posting that Citi info.

    It’s obvious Avalon has gotten fired up after your visit. You sure you want her cavorting with the ST monkeys?

    New York security consultant Thomas Ryan:
    Three chinned bastard. Trying to score some lucrative NYC “private investigator” contracts and cash in.

    How much money did you make selling TBP t-shirts and mugs in NYC?

    1. AWD

      TBP has taken a vow of poverty based on the money pouring in.

      I did leave about 100 TBP cards on tables around Zuccotti Park. I hope some of them check in and share their experiences.

      1. “…The freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”

        George Washington

  30. Administrator says:

    “I did leave about 100 TBP cards on tables around Zuccotti Park. I hope some of them check in and share their experiences.”

    then after that, we get to (verbally) fuck ’em up, right?

    1. Howard

      You got it. They have to cross over between Smokey and LLPOH. Most are left in smoldering ruins at the entrance to TBP. If they can survive TBP, they can survive a NYPD beat down.

  31. It’s good to see that Obama’s right hand man Rahm Emmanuel is treating his citizens like dirt. Being a thug crosses party lines just like being bought off by Wall Street.

  32. Clog the jails. The administrative laws the authorities are using do not respect our constitutional rights to pitition the government and Wall Street for violating the rights or the intent of the people. The jails cannot accomodate massive arrests. The resources of the cities are limited. People have a right to protest on public grounds; because public grounds belong to the people. Arrest is a fear tactic. We the people rule this land; not the criminal elements that have taken over government.

  33. Nice work, Admin. One photo jumped out at me:


    Here is my take on it: 1) the poor unemployed bastard has enough money to fund his nicotine addiction, and 2) the fucking finger ring.

    I tell you what – I have never hired a fuckwit witha a finger ring. Never. A appicant shows up with a fucking finger ring gets a fail straight away. Now maybe he has sense enough to remove it before an interview, but my experience is is if a person is stupid enough to wear one, they are too stupid to figure out they should take it off at an interview. Also, I have a really well-developed ability to spot an idiot. This idiot probably majored in Art History. These kids need to get a fucking clue. And $30k in debt is nothing for an education – nothing. Thirty years ago I racked up that much. They need to come out of the clouds and into reality.

  34. Jim says: “I do not think this movement will be co-opted. It is completely non-political.”

    I guess you didn’t watch your former Mayor and Guv. Ed Rendell on Dylan ratigan this afternoon.

    1. What people say on MSNBC and what is really happening are two different things. Stop being a lemming, believing everything the MSM spews out of your TV screen.

  35. The other Dave says: ‘The disparity of wealth is because of usury.”

    I don’t think it was usury per se, but the overall extension of credit to everybody so they could live way beyond their means. That started about 40 years ago.The smart people that got wealthy were the ones who sold all the shit to the people who wanted to better their standard of living with credit.

    Drug dealers will give you that first fix for free or on the cheap.

  36. Jim: It wasn’t a commentary on the protesters. Governor Ed was telling Dylan that the occupiers have got to get a political message out. Of course, demofucks would be only to glad to help them, just like republifucks did to the Tea Party

    1. The Democrats will not co-opt this movement. There was not an inkling of support for Obama or the Democratic party. The politicians don’t understand it. I would say that the original non-co-opted Tea Party fits in well with these protesters.

      Rendell is dumbfuck who ruined my State. He’s a slimy weasel.

  37. Nice article and excellent perspective. So as a result of this experience, did you come home and immediately add more to your overstocks and ammo supplies?

    1. Centerfield

      I came home rededicated to trying to bring down the existing oligarchy and supporting those who want to restore a true Republic.

  38. “What people say on MSNBC and what is really happening are two different things. Stop being a lemming, believing everything the MSM spews out of your TV screen.”


    Better yet, do what I did —– toss the fucking television out the window.

  39. “I tell you what – I have never hired a fuckwit witha a finger ring. Never. A appicant shows up with a fucking finger ring gets a fail straight away…..but my experience is is if a person is stupid enough to wear one, they are too stupid to figure out they should take it off at an interview. Also, I have a really well-developed ability to spot an idiot.”

    “The only way in Hell I’d hire someone with a finger ring is if she had a rack.”

    Idiot, meet mirror.

  40. Centerfield – the second comment was not mine. Just what the fuck are you saying, anyway? I am an employer. I have years of experience hiring and evaluating employees. And I damn sure guarantee you you can tell a lot about a person’s potential as an employee by how they present themselves personally.

    I avoid the “ar-teest” types like the fucking plague. The types that figure that they should be able to dress as they want, as it is a personal choice and has nothing to do with their job performance, are also to be avoided. It is symptomatic of other issues. They will be too fucking precious to manage. They need to get a clue.

    Don’t like reality, centerfield? Tough fucking shit. Employees need to suit employers, not the other way around.

    You need to get a fucking clue.

  41. Here’s another quote for your signs from someone rather famous:

    “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell

    Go 99%, go!

  42. llpoh,

    I’ll go you one further.

    I would wager some serious cabbage that at least nine out of ten men who wear rings on their index fingers also suck dick.

  43. Admin – out the mangy cur so justice can be done upon him. Give him up, and I promise you temporary respite from the floggings I have been administering you lately – a get out of jail free card as it were.


  44. Smokey – I expect you are correct. I am astounded that people do not understand realities. The attitude that I can do as I please and present myself as I please, and then be outrage because no one will hire me, is truly self-defeating. Not my problem. It just annoys me when they cry and whine about not being able to land work yet present themselves like total losers.

  45. Thanks, “Wall Street guy” ROFL.

    A virtuality for me, half a world away, better than going there in person. Cheaper and no downer of learning “you’re on a little list” …

  46. Admin – I admire a man that sticks with his guns. Truly. You are to be commended. I will simply have to feret out the low-life all by myself.

    1. Zip

      Why would the free shit army be protesting at OWS?

      They are still getting their free shit. They are sitting at home watching their satellite TV and using their SNAP cards at KFC.

      It is pretty clear that you represent the ignorant masses. Thanks. We needed a representative from this interest group.

  47. DavosSherman, that’s exactly what we did. I haven’t seen news on television since at least 2005. We tossed the TV ages ago and never looked back. Best decision of my life; I’ve read at least 200 books in those six years.

    Admin, damn right. Let’s restore this republic! And Rendell most certainly ruined our state. Over here in Pgh though the spin is that he took all of the money that should have come our way and funneled it all back to Philly programs. Regardless, our state is fucked now and we’re the first to have a bankrupt capital city.

    1. RT

      He did funnel money into the corrupt putrid swamp of Phila. He gave millions to Comcast. He was a terrible mayor and worse governor.

  48. I have been enlightened as a result of the time I have spent with the OWS group. It is crystal clear to me that I have to mend some of my ways. I can no longer continue to deny the wisdom of the Big Dogs on the site, particularly the wise Smokey and LLPOH. I am so ashamed that I have ever opposed them, and did so with full knowledge that they were right in all things, but I was just so jealous of them that I could not help myself. I am also so ashamed that I have used WordPress for my own personal gain, and so I ask forgiveness of the Big Dogs, and grovel at their feet in hope of forgiveness.


  49. Re: Are there any non-Muslim cab drivers in NYC?

    Are you sure he wasn’t a Sikh?

    Americans always seem to confuse Sikhs with Muslims just because both wear a turban and beard.

  50. LLPOH,

    The REAL trouble has been years in the making.

    The Administrator said a year ago that he thought it unlikely that Ron Paul would run in 2012. I concurred with that assessment, given the abysmal showing that Doctor Paul had in the 2008 election. As the Administrator is an expert on all things Ron Paul, I was relieved to hear that Ron Paul would forsake, for the good of the country, another futile campaign.

    My larger concern was for the many fine regulars here who are devout Ron Paul supporters. I simply dreaded the notion of them going through in 2012 another episode of denial, deliberate blindness, and deep disappointment.

    My worst fears were confirmed back in January, when I heard Doctor Paul was threatening to make another run for the White House in 2012.

    It has been with enormous sadness that I have witnessed otherwise sane members of this blog setting themselves up to be emotionally crushed again in 2012.

    To all of the loyal backers of Ron Paul, I remind you—-I am your friend.

    Davos, Plato, ecliptix543, jmarz, Colma, C30, Centerfield, Novista, Plato, Welsman, Thinker, T-bird, Stuck, Pirate, Matt, AWD, Dave Doe, brann, Administrator, TeresaE, and all the rest of you curs —-I will not forsake you even in your darkest hour.

    When Ron Paul finally throws in the towel on his ridiculous 2012 campaign, which will probably be ten minutes after the newly-elected President takes the oath of office in early January 2013, I will be there to console you. Feel free to discuss your anger or vent your frustrations, as Smokey understands.

  51. My Ron Paul lawn signs will still be up on inauguration day.


    Can you please tell us that it is a stone cold lock that Ron Paul will not be President? Your prescience is beyond question on all things sports, politics and terrorist attacks.

  52. Jim, I was going to forward this to a number of people on my FB and email. But your disparaging comments about Muslim cab drivers are not appreciated by me at all. I wonder how you “knew” that they were Muslims, as that reflects only a religious preference. Did you ask them if they were Muslim?

    Would you be willing to edit out those remarks? If so, you’ll have a post that I would be delighted to circulate. If not, I loved the pictures and much of the narrative, but not the bigotry and for that reason, I won’t send it out.

  53. Wow, great detailed account. What are your kids’ thoughts on the whole situation? Are they interested, curious, actively engaged – ambivalent? I’ve never been to a protest before, let alone at a young age. Not sure how I’d take it all in.

    Curious where you think these movements are headed. Since there’s no one leader and the issues are so varied, if it’s like 6 months from now, would you still anticipate the same type of scenario? Or it dies out? Or grows? Or becomes violent?

    On the bright side, your kids didn’t throw coffee in anyone’s face and get you in a fistfight (loved last week’s account as well).

    1. The kids had a great time. They learned a lot. I made it clear to them that these protesters were fighting for their future. They are familiar with the issues because they know I run a website that talks about our debt problems. There was excellent discussions throughout the day about our country’s future and their futures.

      With no leader and no agenda that can be hijacked by the establishment, this movement will continue to grow. Our local paper asked four people about it today and all four were supportive. Anyone who saw that protest in Times Square would be inspired and hopeful.

      I do believe the protests will eventually become violent. As the economic crisis gets worse, these protests will gain support and the anger level will ratchet up. How it gets resolved will be up to the American people.

      Apathy will not be a choice in the coming years.

  54. Smokey:

    You may be right… you’re also right that whoever gets the job next time will preside over a nasty collapse. I’m just glad that people are actually discussing the things taken for granted or traditionally shrouded in ignorance.

    I’m certainly never going to fall into the old “lesser of two evils” trap with my worthless vote… I’ll vote for who I please:

    Lone Ranger/Tonto for POTUS 2012

  55. mara:

    Is it discrimination to say that you got in a cab with an angry muslim driver when that’s what actually happened? I’m certain that Admin would have told of an angry Irish driver had the same transpired…

    It is what it is.

  56. Mara – I could tell they were Muslims by the Korans on the dash and the suicide belts around their waists. And the fact that they shouted Allah *hkbar every time they swerved at a pedestrian was a clue too.

  57. I have been visiting the BP site now for a while. I usually enjoy the articles by Administrator, and I usually find them insightful and thought provoking. I think on several levels the OWS movement has expressed a number of legitimate grievances. But I have two questions: 1) How many of those in the OWS movement are members of the “free shit army” routinely derided on this site? and 2) What is the difference in buying a college degree you can’t afford and buying a house you can’t afford?

    1. I stated in the article that OWS did not have FSA members that we routinely scorn on TBP.

      These kids were 18 years old when they went to college at the behest of their parents. They expected to have a chance at a job when they graduated. That is nothing like a delusional moron using a negative amortization loan to purchase a $400,000 McMansion with $0 down.

      These young people have been fucked over by their parents and grandparents. That is a fact.

    1. Now a newbie Admin Doppleganger is trying to upstage LLPOH. Nice picture.

      I think mara should be satisfied now.

  58. mara,

    Tell you what.

    I have some influence around here. I’ll make a deal with you.

    You get the Islamic community to renounce terrorism at large, and the 9/11 massacre in particular, and I promise I’ll get the article censored for you.

    Until then, go fuck a camel.

  59. I sent you $20 recently and I like the effort you put into this story so much that another $20 is headed your way at the end of the month! My father is one of the “it’s never happened here before so it won’t happen now” crowd. He agrees shit is fucked up but does not articulate any solutions etc. He’ll be getting a copy of this story as well. He has worked his ass off since age 13 before retiring this year at 69. He just seems resigned to whatever his fate may be. It’s tough for me to process.

    1. Thanks Indentured Servant

      Maybe some of the cheap bastards on this site could learn something from you.

      I think it will be tough to change the minds or opinions of anyone over 65 years old. But it doesn’t matter. There are 94 million Millenials.

  60. zip,

    My name is Smokey. Your very legitimate questions will be ridiculed by the Administrator and the other curs.

    Pay them no heed. You are on the fucking money.

    LLPOH and I are your allies.

  61. Mara – I do not ever stereotype. I simply report the facts. And the fact is you are really gullible. Here are a couple of photos of the cabbies. You tell me if they were Muslim or not:



    The facts speak for themselves.

  62. Admin – I will have Mara motherfucking you all over the internet shortly. I particularly like the guy praying in front of the NYC cab. Classic.

  63. $40,000 of debt for a degrees in such fine fields as Gender Studies and food stamps arranged through the University, how exactly did their parents and grandparents fuck them over?

    1. zip

      How do you know what their degrees are in?

      What’s your degree in? Rocket science?

      You’re a fucking jackoff.

  64. mara evans says, “Were they really wearing suicide belts or is that part of the stereotyping ? ”

    You are a fucking intellectual giant.

  65. zip asks some great questions. But he will be persecuted by a number of members. But never fear, Smokey and I will guard your back.

    I am really astonished that a college grad would bitch about $30k in loans. That is a pittance if he spent his time wisely.

    Look at the kids hands – soft as butter, replete with finger ring. The kid probably never worked a day in his life. These are what young men’s hands should look like:


    They should reflect a willingness to do hard, dirty manual labor. Take a look at that kids hands – they are the hands of a pussy. They are soft, they are entitled, they are bullshit. When I was his age my hands were hard, calloused, and strong. That kids hands tell the whole fucking truth and nothing but the truth – he is a pansy, whiny pussy.

  66. Administrator,

    I told you I’d hook you up, and I meant it. And it will be nice. But I choose when, and it will be quite a while from now, so solly.

    In the meantime, the rest of you stingy bastards contribute or buy some shit on Amazon or from the TBP store or open an Everbank account.

  67. Zip – as I said, good questions. If a person cannot see $40k invested in his or her future as a good investment worthy of the risk, then this fucker is going down. They want something for nothing – and then they want to blame someone else when things go off track.

    Sure, there has been a pile of crap built up for them that they will have to manage. Bbut getting an education isn’t one of them. As I said, thirty years ago I ended up with that kind of debt. It was the best investment I ever made.

  68. Admin – yep, that too. But truth be told I was rock hard. I spent my off-time working y ass off doing, generally, hard, physical labor. It was what I could get on short notice.

    Zip – a word of advice – avoid generalities early on as they get pounced on.

  69. “There are no Boomers pulling the strings behind the scenes and calling the shots. George Soros and Jesse Jackson haven’t hijacked the agenda. I would estimate that 60% of the crowd were Millenials, with 20% Gen-X and 20% Baby Boomers. I would estimate that 75% of the crowd was white, with 15% hispanic and 10% black. The stereotypes being portrayed by the MSM get blown out of the water when you see for yourself.”

    I have heard nothing about Boomers, Millenials or or G-ex from msm.

    That is your shit Jim.

    Face it, you need to wake up too.

    This is not about age. Nor race

    This is dissent!

    Fluff your monkey all you want, but until you give up the generational thing you are blinded.

  70. Admin – I must admit that is an excellent point. But photos I have seen seem to have a few FSA looking folks in them. Pussy-boy whiny student looks like one, for instance.

    1. llpoh

      There are two things that make you go batshit.

      1. People generalizing that all rich people are scum.

      2. Any young person with college debt.

      You pick one picture out of 50 and jump to a conclusion about the people at OWS. The protest is not being led by whiny college students looking for handouts. It is about the politicians, Wall Street and mega-corporations running the show and enriching themselves at the expense of the middle class. They don’t hate small business owners. They hate Jamie Dimon and his ilk.

    1. llpoh

      You do realize that chart supports the case that most college degrees are in serious worthwhile areas. By my count it looks like 900,000 degrees in worthwhile fields of study. Only 450,000 of the degrees were in humanities. Thanks for making my case for me.

  71. I’ve been following your stuff for quite a while Jim. We used to argue a bit, and I always said you should “follow the money” to see where the real culprits of our economic woes are. I see now that you have. We can get back to greatness once we throw out these greedy bastards. There are always going to be slackers and freeloaders, and we should deal with that — but true greatness comes from compassion. Great piece!

  72. Administrator,

    “They hate Jamie Dimon and his ilk.”

    You give far too much credit to the protestors. I would be VERY surprised if even 10 % of the protestors know who Dimon is. In fact, I’d be shocked.

    1. Smokey

      You are completely 1000% wrong. They absolutely know who Jamie Dimon is.

      The protestors marched to his fucking penthouse last week and surrounded it. Ask howie. He lives across the street from Dimon.

      These protestors are smart and savvy. You are completely underestimating them. This is not the FSA. These are smart young people with passion and a good cause.

      1. Occupy Wall Street takes on Jamie Dimon

        October 12, 2011 — 2:28pm ET | By Jim Kim

        In many ways, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon is the personification of the banking industry–tough, brash, rich and in-your-face. He’s been a pit bull lately in defense of the industry, and that has attracted the Occupy Wall Street movement. The protestors have marched on his house and the bank’s skyscraper in New York City.

  73. Admin – I picked on one picture, for sure. Debts of $100k are insane, but there are a lot of options that do not require that kind of investment. I do get a bit revved up by folks complaining about $30k for a college education. Re the whole OWS thing I have no real opinion. I think that it is rudderless at this point. Perhaps it will solidify – it needs to if it is going anywhere. It is,to me, generally just a bunch of folks saying ” I am pissed off and I am not going to take it anymore”. They will need to narrow that down a lot if it is to have any real meaning. Every political/union body around will try to co-opt it for their own purposes.

    I think it is possible that the movement will grow large – but only if they can get a real, common, and enumerated message going.

    Re education, one look at the chart by degrees above tells a lot. Business majors dominate the degrees, while engineering/IT lag. The numbers of journalist/communications/phsycology/education/performing arts/social science majors are too high, and sciences are too low. The business grad proportion is WAY too high – these kids come out and think they will be managers – but they have no functional experience. I way prefer an engineer to move into management than someone with an business degree. Technical skills are way more important than the crap they teach in business schools. To manage, you need to be a competent doer. And we are lacking in competent doers.

    But you are largely right re what pushes my buttons – the rich thing and the whiny kids thing. Because I know what it takes to lift one’s self up by one’s bootstraps. It takes hard work and their is no room for self-entitlement. I came up hard, and I get irritated by kids that think they have it hard when they only have Iphone 3 and not Iphone 4.

    1. llpoh

      Did the protests in the late 1960’s have a clear list of demands? It is about mood, anger and justice. You will not get the list of ten demands that the protestors want and they will stop protesting. The system can’t be fixed. You have said it before many times. These people are going to help accelerate the crashing of the existing system. What replaces the existing system is up to us. We can’t stand by to see what happens. That is how a Hitler or Stalin gains control.

  74. Ahhh… the moral hazard question, brought up by Zip… a good question. Student Loans and Mortgages.

    Well, it might have weight if it wasn’t discussed in the shadow of the greatest fiat/credit surge in the known history of the world.

    Go to college(on credit), and statistically make more than not having done so…

    Buy a home (on credit) and realize the American Dream.

    Start a business (on credit) and be the backbone of the economy.

    Buy cheap goods (on credit) and repeat when needed.

    Sound familiar? Sounds like the seemingly stellar advice of a parent or grandparent… advice that, against the backdrop of the greatest credit/fiat surge in known history, was said to be “stupid” to ignore.

    Zip: The only question that needs be asked is if one is stupid enough to listen to Baby Boomer advice any longer, or do what a large swath of that generation has done: Get yours and fuck the rest, or reasonably asses the state of affairs, realize that Baby Boomers Eat Shit, discuss how to write down and, in an organized and structured fashion, purge the system of bad debts… debts that can obviously not be repaid as they were taken, again, under the shadow of the GREATEST SURGE IN FIAT/CREDIT IN THE KNOWN HISTORY OF HUMAN KIND!!!

    Sure… make debtors prisons for student loan debt. See how that flies.

    Whether one likes it or not, allowing Bankruptcy for all debt is the most civilised way to deal with it. Let credit tighten… tough shit… but never gloss over the fact that a moronic economic system has allowed not only the most cunning of folk to milk people on empty promises but has simultaneously indebted and caused dependence of entire generations on the premise of steady income and the ability to borrow.

  75. Colma – you said “Bankruptcy for all debt is the most civilised way to deal with it”. I beleive that if you do this for student loans, then you will ensure only the rich will go to college, as there will be no money loaned for education – as the risk of default will be massive. Massive. Kids will walk away from large debt the moment they graduate if they are so allowed. No one wil loan money, and the student loan system would collapse. In my humble opinion.

  76. llpoh

    Many of those business degrees are in accounting. That is a solid starting job that gives you a chance to move up the ladder in most companies.

  77. Admin – to a large extent you are right. However, I do not believe they can get a solid enough backing without the general population really understanding what is going on – and I do not believe that people do. My partner just got back from NYC, and had to navigate the OWS a time or two. He said he has no clue what it is about. I think there is a lot of that running around – people in general do not know what is happening with OWS.

    1. llpoh

      Haven’t you told us before your partner is pretty clueless?

      You are a really smart guy. If you spent one day talking to these people you’d understand.

      I think people understand that they have been screwed by their leaders and the those who control those leaders. They understand that mega corporations and banks have bought off the politicians. This movement is not hard to understand.

  78. Accounting degrees are good – those are a good exception to the business degree rule. I am recommending that option to my kids if they are thinking about business degrees.

  79. Admin – my partner is happily clueless, but he is a smart guy – in areas that interest him. I think happily clueless is the state of the majority of people.

    1. llpoh

      It looks like Business Mngmt is the largest number by far. I don’t think it is a worthless degree but it is better to have a more focused degree. I also agree we need more engineers and scientists.

      Happily clueless is pretty much the state of our country. That is why we should be really worried. The protestors are not happy and not clueless. They care. They aren’t out for free shit. They aren’t for taxing the rich into oblivion. They want a fair equitable system.

  80. Admin,

    As much as I appreciate your journalistic talent….

    Your ideals of relative age groups in this country is indicative of the thoughts of a real dumbfuck.

    Get real.

    You can ony blame your Daddy for so long.

  81. I have yet to hear what OWS hopes to accomplish.

    Do the protestors think they can induce the TBTF banks to return the bailout money ?

    Do the protestors think the crooks among the 1% are going to return their ill-gotten gains?

    Do the protestors really believe they can compel the Congressmen to renounce their wicked ways ?

    By the way, the American Nazi Party, the American Communist Party, the leaders of China and the leaders of Iran have ALL announced their support of OWS.

    Just sayin…..

    1. Smokey

      I understand that Al Quaeda has also announced support for OWS, so it must be a terrorist plot.

      I understand that the KKK in South Carolina has announced their support for OWS, so it must be racist.

      Just sayin.

  82. llpoh:

    My hopes would be that loans would be given assesing the potential for the degree acquired to be able to sustain the cost… Stagnant wages versus skyrocketing tuitions does not bode well for the lender or borrower.

    The writing and taking of massive loans has only driven tuition higher, and sustained the illusion that a piece of paper will guarantee gainful employment… the latter being the sad thing.

    The student loan system will collapse, in my opinion, no matter what.

    At the very least, an interest moratorium… Defferal has only ballooned the principal owed. When people realize that someone just pressed a computer key to re-capitalize the lenders while a debt skyrockets with which they must actually earn versus magically creating the income to pay… for the rest of their life… without hope of escape… while douschebags snort coke off of hooker’s titties in highrises… on the merit of said money…

    Hell, they might clog the streets and wonder who guaranteed the loans in the first place.

  83. Admin – when I talk about the systwm going down, generally I see it as the financial system failing. I do not think I subscribe to a general uprising – either the financial system will crash, inflation will take off, etc., and the result is that action will ultimately be forced upon the system. But I may be way wrong.

    Smokey – I guess that is the same thing I am thinking – I just do not see enough support from the happily clueless, and the FSA isn’t likely to be involved, so I do not see where the critical mass is going to come from for OWS to get any meaningful results. But I amy be way wrong, and Admin may be way right.

  84. The word democracy (or mob rule) does not appear in the U.S. constitution, the bill of rights, or the declaration of independence.

    Does anyone remember the word republic? That was the intent of our founders, to be a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

  85. Smokey,

    For sure your questions are relevent.

    I believe that any dissent is good and at this stage should be supported.

    Gotta start somewhere.

  86. Hope this thing fails, have you bothered to see who is supporting it?
    China, Soros, communists, Chavez,SEIU, even Iran is behind this , so how can that turn into a good thing? Just use a little logic.

    1. Mort

      You are a complete tool if you believe that shit. Remember Mort. Ignorance is a choice. It is clear which side you are on.

  87. Admin, thanks so much for the OWS report – love the color commentary and POV.

    I’m going to send your report to my Tea Party pals. Think we should mozey down and check it out too.

    We know how it feels to be unjustly maligned in the press…so I think we have an obligation to uncover the truth too.


  88. Admin

    No more smartass comments (fingers crossed). This was a highly instructive article which I’m sure you enjoyed putting together. Not just a “thought piece,” but an eyewitness, been-there work of first rate journalism.

    Re the segway threads into higher education between you and llpoh, I would say that our country is falling dangerously short in the engineering and science fields of study. Dangerously. I think our national mining efforts in the next two decades will be critical to our nation’s well being and perhaps its very survival.

    The small “mining institutes and colleges” will need every bit of first rate talent this country can muster. I hope enough young people will head in this direction.

  89. MORT:

    Pluralistic mindset…

    “China, Soros, communists, Chavez,SEIU, even Iran is behind this , so how can that turn into a good thing? Just use a little logic.” -Mort

    You assert they’re “behind this”. No. Perhaps they’ve endorsed it, but so fucking what. Big difference. OWS rejects all interests attempting to co-opt the message.

    The same people you cite support, in reality, the violent supression of this movement. They would just LOVE to see the police mop it up so they can point the finger when the US bombs their asses. Sounds a little like Beck, Hannity, Gibson, Rush, and O’reilly and such would love a little supression as well, in my opinion.

    How convenient. One could argue the same endorsed a bailout.

    Turn off talk radio for a minute, read the article again, and stop with the knee-jerk, partisan hackery. Your argument remains SO last week.

  90. Ivan:

    There is a heart-warming amount of geology majors I’ve met at school. They coyly smile when one asks “What will you do with THAT?”

  91. I enjoyed your day in New York and hope that the protest will keep growing.

    One thing I have not seen much of is reasons to be protesting the system. I believe one of the main reasons that the world economy took such a tremendous hit was caused by the fractal banking system.
    I realize we need bank loans, but to prevent an even worse crisis to come along, the banking system needs to be reined in.
    If the 99% of the people knew what the 1% knows about how our money is created and by whom, the number of protestors would increase tremendously overnight.

    I believe most people still think that when they borrow money from a bank, they are borrowing money that is on deposit by other people. Nothing could be further from the truth!

    All the bank has to have is assets of around 10% of the loan and after that the bank creates an electronic amount equal to the amount of your loan. This money is created out of thin air, but you will be paying interest on this artificially created money until the loan or mortgage is paid off.

    Now wouldn’t it be great if YOU could do the same thing that the bankers can?

    Countries are also treated like individual borrowers by their central banks. The bulk of the population believed central banks, like the US Federal Reserve, is a government entity.
    NOT SO!!
    The Federal Reserve is a private bank which was given the right to create money, then lends this money created out of thin air to the government and charges the government interest.

    The Fed should be abolished and the government should issue it’s own money. (and then all we need is politicians that know how to keep hold of the purse strings. Which could only happen if we get rid of the lobby system that now promotes graft at all levels).

    Banking used to be a boring business. Money deposited by clients was paid a certain amount of interest, and this money was lent out at a higher amount of interest.
    The bank kept the mortgage and eventually the client paid off the mortgage, and the bank had made a profit.
    With fractal banking and less and less regulation, banks have now become gambling casinos.

    Recently a Swiss bank declared a 2 billion loss supposedly because of a rogue trader. Yet US banks and trading houses declared enormous losses and had to be bailed out due to exactly the same thing that one Swiss banker got blamed for. Except in the US the people causing the losses received billions in bonuses, and the taxpayers made up for the losses.
    You may not like the Chinese system, but instead of bonuses these people would have received bullets.

    And every day we hear news that goes on and on about the weak banks that have to be shored up with more funds. But people still don’t understand that this weakness was and is still being caused by a system that still allows banks to act as gamblers.

    I certainly have no economic education and this may be a simplistic view, but…..


  92. Hi!, From RUSS In Calif.:

    Interesting experiences but what got my attention was the protestors protesting the actions of our Banks, Corporations & The Federal Reserve etc. but then acting out the same ole same ole message, by charging $19 fora cheesburger. Before we set out to change the Banks,Corporations and/or the Feeral Reserve, let’s first of all change the price of cheesburgers at such rallies huh!!

    God help us!

    [email protected]

  93. Colma-Geology is good, Geological Engineering is better. I have degrees in Mechanical & Mining Engineering, and am licensed and practising as a Civil. But when young folks ask me what to major in, I usually point them to GE. I know many GEs younger than myself managing mines, group chiefs at DOTs, principals in consulting firms, owning environmental engineering firms, etc. At least in my neck of the woods, GE is the “jack of all trades” engineering degree-it opens many different doors. You gotta stick your foot in when the door is open and take it from there yourself.

  94. As for you, Big Daddy:

    Represent who? I agree, mob rule is not exactly gumdrops and sugarplums, however, it is absolutely incumbent on a representative to reflect to as much a degree as possible, those he represents.

    Not to mention, one, in a Republic, would expect the representative to author, no less actually read, the legislation proposed or voted upon… especially if they’ve a full-time job of it.

    If you think the above is remotely a reality, then I am at a loss.

    Prosecute fraud. Fire incompetants.

    Even that was ignored.

  95. Admin, Avalon & Michael-Many thanks for the pictures, story & experience. Great and inspirational piece. Looks like Admin has his groove back-glad to see it.

  96. AKAnon:

    That’s the ticket…

    All the engineering graduates I know have strangely diverse jobs, and good ones at that. I’ll just say that there are recruiters for Geologists and leave it at that.

    On the recruiting in college tangent (llpoh’s answer would be valued highly): If there’s a shortage of “skilled” labor, wtf happened to recruiters from business? Every educated uncle and aunt I have was mentored and driven by recruiters from their fields, some even going back to high school.

    Example: An uncle wanted to be a fucking electrician, took a trade class at school, was recruited by a big company, went to Cal Poly for Electrical Engineering and worked for said big company until retiring. All of that because he wanted to help out wiring a neighbor’s kitchen when he was a kid. He did very big things in his carreer, no doubt.

    Interest, potential and mentoring… where did that go?

  97. None of the pictures in the article are visible. I guess somebody is trying to use Photobucket for free and has exceeded the bandwidth for freeloaders? 😉

  98. Ugh, I apologize for the photo glitch. I can see them now, if you can’t, try refreshing your page. Who knew photobucket had a bandwidth limit? We are upgraded to Pro version now. 🙂

  99. llpoh

    Often, I think you see the whole world through your own eyes, no variation, my way or the highway. No different strokes for different folks. So, OK, you chose your path to success and succeeded, fine.

    Myself, born in the midst of the great depression, had my life path charted out for me from the age of five, when I said don at a piano for the first time, at a neighbor’s house, and tried to play a simple song, rather than bashing the shit out of it like most kids. Oh! he’s a protegy. (Do you know the terms “Hollywood mother”? Nowithstanding her, my chemistry teacher in high school was trying to fit me up for a scholarship to Univ. of Florida. Good ol’ mom had her dream (you understand some people see no boundaries?)

    And my last piano teacher was also a club musician and could have mentored me to a smooth, no hassle career. Oh, he is such a fine gentleman even if he is Spanish — until he had his own plan that conflicted with hers, and ‘stupid spic!’

    So I graduated from high school at the age of 16 (12th grade) and was aimed at a musical career.

    Well, I never graduated from uni, no bachelor’s degree. Found myself a job at AT&T, Year and a half later, drafted. Had married a year before that, oh well. Met a bloke in Washington had worked TV engineering in Atlanta, sounded good. Out of the army finally, back to AT&T. Now, I’m not sure there were even uni courses in broadcast engineering, for that matter, maybe even now, not so much. Not that I knew or cared.

    One of the keys was the FCC radiotelephone license. I passed the exams for 2nd and then 1st class license. And shortly after that, saw an opening. By this time, I had accrued seniority of close on ten years. First job didn’t turn out well, lot of tech experience but no operational skills. Chief engineer said I should go back to AT&T. Fuck him.

    A year later, was helping to build WXIX-TV in Cincinnati, promoted to studio supervisor. My former chief engineer called up my current boss and asked for a tour, so to speak. I had the satisfaction of explaining all this new technology. Fun!

    From there, to a contract job in Saudi Arabia. Back stateside as long as I could stand it. Got an offer out of the blue for Samoa, another contract job. Then cast my eye at Australia. Peaked as chief engineer at 2nd production facility in Melbourne. The competition bought it out to kill the competition.

    My path probably could not be duplicated today. Too many suits and HR fuckwits want pieces of paper. And the ones I’ve seen aren’t worth the paper it was printed on. Seems to be a focus on ‘production values’, ooer, engineers get their hands dirty. Or some shit. When I started, you either learned on the job or fell by the wayside. And I was lucky, I had two mentors over the span.

    But the other main factor is, maybe it is not the ‘fault’ of the student entering university but the aspirations of parents with NO fucking idea. Neither of my parents finished high school, back in those dark days some called history. But they knew some ‘edumacation’ was good.

    Unfortunately, the whole tertiary scheme has bubbled. Due to fucking government intervention. So, yeah, why hnot let the sudent loan scam collapse. Back to real supply and demand and the uni’s can suck it up. Yay!

    Oh, I didn’t have a finger ring, either. Too dangerous around busbars. Etc.

  100. Administrator,

    Why is it that with this Occupy Wall Street movement, that you so heartily endorse because all the protestors are “smart and savvy “, the ONE PERCENT of the country are railed against because of their evil ways?

    At the same time you condemn an entire generation of baby boomers.

    The two attitudes are inconsistent and cannot be reconciled in any logical manner.

    1. There are smart and savvy people in every generation. Look at you and me. The 99% thing is a catchy slogan. That is not the message at OWS. It is about the unholy alliance between the biggest banks, biggest corporations and the politicians in Washington. It is about a system that is completely corrupt and benefits the uber-rich connected powerful men in this country.

      I notice you didn’t admit being 1000% WRONG about your dumbass Jamie Dimon comment.

  101. There are smart and savvy people in every generation. Look at you and me. -Admin

    Thats true – but you will never convince a boomerer of that.

  102. What’s up with the ignorant comments about the cab driver? Dear god…if he had been white would you have been so hostile? I sincerely doubt it. Damn shame.

    Then again, you contrast Ron Paul with the fundamentalist right. Never mind the fact that Ron Paul is a fundamentalist whose particular church believes in young-earth creationism.

    I’m sorry, I’m glad you got most of the vibe of the occupation movement. But your comments about the cab driver show that you still have a LOOOOONG way to go before you’re on the right side of history. Good luck with your issues.

    1. Karl H.

      You misrepresent Ron Paul completely. Not surprising from an ideologue. I hope you come to grips with your reality issues.

      1. Karl H

        By the way. The comments about the cab driver were not mine. They were from someone pretending to be me. Read for comprehension.

    2. Sound of crickets from Karl H.

      I’m sure he’s gathering his facts about Ron Paul. I’m sure he will prove his accusations. People like Karl H. always back up their bullshit with facts.

      1. Karl H seems to be missing in action. Karl H is a lying sack of shit. This is directly from Ron Paul’s website:

        Ron Paul’s Faith Snapshot:

        Religion/Church: Baptist

        Ron Paul was raised by Lutheran parents and attended the Lutheran Church regularly during his childhood. Before deciding to pursue a medical career, for a short time Paul considered becoming a Lutheran minister. Two of Ron’s brothers, David and Jerrold, are Lutheran ministers. While in college Ron Paul was married to Carol Wells an Episcopalian, and together they baptized their five children in this denomination.

        Eventually the couple stopped attending the Episcopal Church and began frequenting a Baptist church in Texas. Although Paul says he is uncomfortable discussing his faith as part of his political efforts, for those who ask, he has published a statement of faith on his campaign Web site.

        Ron Paul’s Expressions of Faith:

        In a summary about his faith, Ron Paul writes, “I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.”

        Speaking about the First Amendment, Ron Paul says, ” Similarly, the mythical separation of church and state doctrine has no historical or constitutional basis. Neither the language of the Constitution itself nor the legislative history reveals any mention of such separation. In fact, the authors of the First amendment … routinely referred to “Almighty God” in their writings, including the Declaration of Independence. It is only in the last 50 years that federal courts have perverted the meaning of the amendment and sought to unlawfully restrict religious expression.”

  103. the ONE PERCENT of the country are railed against because of their evil ways? -Smokey

    No one is above the crazy fray.

  104. I’m an ideologue? You know nothing of me.

    And…you’re going to tell me that Ron Paul is NOT a fundamentalist, anti-choice Christian? Have you even looked at his own website?

    He can swear up and down that his faith won’t influence his governance. He’d probably even BELIEVE it. But even otherwise-intelligent people are capable of deluding themselves. Clearly.

    1. Karl

      You don’t know me either. I will tell you that Ron Paul is not a fundamentalist. Please show us all the part of his website you describe. We await your facts Karl old boy.

      We deal in facts on TBP, not your bullshit accusations backed up by nothing.

  105. China, Soros, communists, Chavez,SEIU, even Iran is behind this , so how can that turn into a good thing? Just use a little logic. -Mort

    Okay, Logic tells me that many American based corporations have China mfg things for them.

    In effect they are supporting China.

    Is this such a good thing?

  106. Colma Rising says, “…Example: An uncle wanted to be a fucking electrician, took a trade class at school, was recruited by a big company, went to Cal Poly for Electrical Engineering and worked for said big company until retiring. All of that because he wanted to help out wiring a neighbor’s kitchen when he was a kid. He did very big things in his carreer, no doubt.

    Interest, potential and mentoring… where did that go?..”

    I’ll tell you exactly where it went, to India and the third world.

    The companies that used to hire American grads and mentor them, now hire – for a fraction of the cost – foreign grads and mentor them. Or toss ’em, they are all contract labor now.

    This is one of the biggest out and out thefts perpetrated by the demonic government-megacorporation monster. Second only to the elimination of American small business for the benefit of the mega-corporation.

    Housing, and terrorism, have covered up reality pretty nicely. But your observation about the lack of corporate recruiting is a telltale sign blatant in its implications.

    But, just like the empty storefronts, factories and offices, we will continue to pretend we don’t realize what it means for our country.

    Gutted. From the inside out.

  107. llpoh, my apologies for calling you out on something that someone else doppleganged you. Pinky rings freak me out, too.

    Now back to our regularly scheduled program…

  108. Interesting opinion here by John Mauldin. Why are the politicians not being targeted by protesters also? It is much easier to change our political fortunes that to try to rein in the banksters. Direct democracy will work.

    Forget Wall Street, Protestors Should “Occupy Congress,” Mauldin Says

  109. With the weather turning bad and cold, what will happen to the protests? What will happen when the snows start falling? Will the protesters evaporate, to return again next spring? Or will they try and occupy warm buildings with sit-ins? Any thoughts?

    1. AWD

      Did you see the story about all the money and supplies pouring into OWS from around the world? They have received more than $300,000 of donations and they are having to rent a warehouse for the supplies coming in. There are only a few hundred that stay overnight to begin with. They won’t be evaporating.

  110. AWD, the group in Detroit has applied for a 60 day permit, which the city is denying.

    So, my guess is they are planning on staying for the duration, question will be if they are prepared for what a northern winter will bring.

    If they are still around, maybe we should start a coat/blanket/mitten drive and what they don’t use can be gifted to the thousands of newly homeless.

  111. Great article Quinny. I’m heading over on Thursday so I will withold my comments until then. I’m thinking of wearing a suit and tie topped by an Indian Headress with the sign “Big Chief Banker.” However, In advance of my visit, I will say OWS or no OWS, the problem isn’t Big Banks, but Big Banks allied with Big Government. When there are no repercussions for your risky actions, why inhibit yourself. What kid wouldn’t jump off a huge cliff into a quarry knowing that whatever happened, he couldn’t get hurt. Same thing with bankers. Why not make massive bets on stupidly risky sub-prime loans knowing that when the loans go bad, the government will pay them off. Heads I win, tails you lose. Change the incentives, ie make the banks themselves responsible for this slop, and you will change the behavior. Let Goldman Sachs pay off the Norwegian fishing villages they fleeced. Why should US taxpayers bail them out. Say goes for Citibank, BofA, and all the rest. Not only did the government bail them out they further slanted the rules protecting their turf. In Philadelphia Abington Bank, founded in 1867 was recently acquired by Susquehana Bank. The primary reason was the cost of compliance with all the inane banking laws was overwhelming for this small 20 branch bank. The big get bigger, and the small fade away, all thanks to the compassionate concern of your Federal Government.

    1. Skinny

      Big Government allied with Big Banks and backed by Big Ben nails the problem perfectly.

      Maybe you can buy Zuccotti park cheap and put up a BJs.

      Tell Roy I was right again. Lowes is going into store closing mode. 20 down and hundreds to go, including the Hatfield Lowes.

  112. Zucotti Park is owned by a subsidiary of Brookfield Asset Mgt. a Cdn company. Fight Capitalism with Capitalism. Move your money! End your accounts with your Yankee bank and move it to a Canadian Bank. There are many TD ( Toronto Dominion ) stores, banks, in the NYC area. Your money will be much safer and when the yankee buck bites the dust, you change it into CDN bucks much easier at your cdn bank. Good Luck America.

  113. I stand FIRMLY behind my Jamie Dimon comment.

    No matter how hard you wish otherwise, 90% of the OWS has no clue who he is.

    BTW, surely an accurate depiction of the “smart and savvy ” crowd would be the guy who asked to smell your wife’s ass ?

    How about the guy wearing the pink dress and the cowboy hat, I guess he was a vital cog in this “smart and savvy “crowd also.

    1. Smokey still clueless as ever. Often wrong, but never in doubt. They don’t know who Jamie Dimon is but they marched and picketed at his house. You’re pitiful.

      The pink dress guy and the fart smeller were nowhere near the demonstrations or OWS. You need to read for comprehension. You will believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

      You aren’t proving to be very smart and savvy today. Par for the course.

  114. Admin:

    I hope your right. They need to take over and occupy a building. Goldman Sachs has a nice, warm building nearby. They can use Lloyd Blankfein as kindling.

  115. This OWS crowd is an astute bunch.

    Every single participant, down to the very last one, is KEENLY aware that Jamie Dimon is CEO of JPM, Lloyd Blankfein is CEO of Goldman, John Stumpf is CEO of Wells, Vikram Pandit is CEO of Citi and Brian Moynihan is CEO of BOA.

    Okay, maybe all the protestors don’t know the names of ALL the TBTF CEO’s, but they DAMN sure know that Jamie Dimon is CEO of JPM.


    Most of the regulars on this site don’t know who the hell Dimon is if they don’t read it on this thread.

    Tell you what happened.

    A handful of protestors who know what the fuck they are doing said to the crowd, “Look. Jamie Dimon is CEO of JPM. He eats shit and his bank was bailed out. We need to protest that cocksucker. ” And the gang went along.

    1. Smokey backtracking like a frightened cur. Run cur run.

      Making up his Jamie Dimon scenarios so he doesn’t look like a dumbfuck.

  116. Smokey: Just stop. You speak too intelligently and think too much to post here. They like dumb, shit for brains, Admin and his big fat, hairy, white ass-kissers here.

    1. Boston protesters seek an audience with Bernanke

      October 18, 2011, 12:36 PM

      Members of Occupy Boston are hoping that Ben Bernanke will drop by the protesters’ makeshift camp while the nation’s top central banker is in town later today to address the annual meeting of the Boston Federal Reserve. Although the camp is right across the street from the Fed’s building in Boston, protesters told the Boston Herald that they don’t intend to trespass on federal property to confront him directly.

      Instead, they hope Bernanke will elect to swing by on his own accord to hear their grievances.

      Meanwhile, efforts to establish an Occupy camp in Worcester, Mass., the Bay State’s second-largest city, have fallen flat. The Herald reports that members of Occupy Worcester have dropped plans, at last for the time being, after being relocated by local police from a park in front of City Hall to a more remote location. — Val Kennedy

  117. Who wants to know trying to make friends with Smokey. LOL. Tell Smokey about 9/11 you nutjob. He’ll surely become your best friend.

  118. The writer is another envious dick. You can’t blame the business for trying to make more on his investment, and I’m talking about the banks or corporations. Nobody is putting a gun to your head to borrow from a bank or to buy product from a corporation or to invest with them. All these people are just bunch of malcontent biting the hand that’s feeding them. Without the banks and corporations there will be no taxes for the government to hand them. Get a life and go demonstrate in DC who makes the actual laws and regulations that’s causing the fall of the nation.

    1. Chowthen

      I would cordially invite you to go fuck yourself. You are clearly a representative of Wall Street dickheads. Glad to see you don’t generalize and lump all people into a category. It’s people like you that make me reconsider my position on abortion. In your case I would allow it up to the age of 35 years.

  119. Admin,
    I love your energy right now, this post is what TBP is all about. I do have two questions:

    1) what is the best way to support OWS from 3,000 miles away? I know there are local protests, but your adventure in NYC was exciting and that the flash-point for sure.

    2) my other question, WTF is Smokey smokin’?

  120. chowthen,

    In the late eighties, eight hundred bankers went to jail for fraud in the S & L crisis.

    Today, not a goddamn single banker has gone to jail from the sub-prime meltdown and pervasive fraud.

    This crisis is SEVENTY times the size of the S & L crisis. Get it, cocksucker ?

    Tell you what, chowthen.

    chow down on my dick, then my asshole.

  121. Thirteen Observations made by Lemony Snicket while watching Occupy Wall Street from a Discreet Distance

    1. If you work hard, and become successful, it does not necessarily mean you are successful because you worked hard, just as if you are tall with long hair it doesn’t mean you would be a midget if you were bald.

    2. “Fortune” is a word for having a lot of money and for having a lot of luck, but that does not mean the word has two definitions.

    3. Money is like a child—rarely unaccompanied. When it disappears, look to those who were supposed to be keeping an eye on it while you were at the grocery store. You might also look for someone who has a lot of extra children sitting around, with long, suspicious explanations for how they got there.

    4. People who say money doesn’t matter are like people who say cake doesn’t matter—it’s probably because they’ve already had a few slices.

    5. There may not be a reason to share your cake. It is, after all, yours. You probably baked it yourself, in an oven of your own construction with ingredients you harvested yourself. It may be possible to keep your entire cake while explaining to any nearby hungry people just how reasonable you are.

    6. Nobody wants to fall into a safety net, because it means the structure in which they’ve been living is in a state of collapse and they have no choice but to tumble downwards. However, it beats the alternative.

    7. Someone feeling wronged is like someone feeling thirsty. Don’t tell them they aren’t. Sit with them and have a drink.

    8. Don’t ask yourself if something is fair. Ask someone else—a stranger in the street, for example.

    9. People gathering in the streets feeling wronged tend to be loud, as it is difficult to make oneself heard on the other side of an impressive edifice.

    10. It is not always the job of people shouting outside impressive buildings to solve problems. It is often the job of the people inside, who have paper, pens, desks, and an impressive view.

    11. Historically, a story about people inside impressive buildings ignoring or even taunting people standing outside shouting at them turns out to be a story with an unhappy ending.

    12. If you have a large crowd shouting outside your building, there might not be room for a safety net if you’re the one tumbling down when it collapses.

    13. 99 percent is a very large percentage. For instance, easily 99 percent of people want a roof over their heads, food on their tables, and the occasional slice of cake for dessert. Surely an arrangement can be made with that niggling 1 percent who disagree.

  122. chowthen

    OWS is NOT, to my knowledge, targetting corporations just because they are big and successful. Is OWS or anyone else upset with John Deere, the world’s largest manufacturer of farm equipment. Or Boeing? Or Caterpillar? Don’t think so.

    No, the OWS people are pissed off at the financial industry for its corruption and deception and its overpowering influence in the Federal Reserve, the U.S. Treasury, Congress, and the White House. Do you honestly believe that credit derivative obligations which hid billions in toxic mortgages were anything but corrupt and deceiving financial instruments? What about the $790 billion dollar TARP package which benefitted ONLY the very banks which created the financial disaster to begin with? Is there anything else in the entire history of this country which demonstrates the power and influence the big banks have in government better than TARP?

    The OWS people are right where they ought to be, next to the “Bull” that’s been shoveled by the ton load on the American public.

  123. Karl H – come on back you sorry piece of shit. You are nothing but an apologist for Muslim terrorists. This country is being invaded from within and you do nothing to intervene. And fuck you for your comments about Ron Paul. Come on back so I can kick your ass some more.

  124. Admin – I told you I would get you motherfucked all over the internet. These folks sure are gullible. Makes for some fun for you though.

  125. Avalon – just be glad I didn’t. Ppost that pic of you in the French maid outfit holding the feather duster. Damn, I really like that duster. Whatever happened to it?

  126. Smokey says:

    “This OWS crowd is an astute bunch.

    Tell you what happened.

    A handful of protestors who know what the fuck they are doing said to the crowd, “Look. Jamie Dimon is CEO of JPM. He eats shit and his bank was bailed out. We need to protest that cocksucker. ” And the gang went along.”

    well, i fixed that. i explained it to them. on jamie’s doorstep. so they all understand now. and jamie’s security detail got to know this neighbor a little bit better.

    i just can’t get over the fact that jamie lives across the street from me. he don’t even know just how much ‘there goes the neighborhood’ i bring to carnegie hill.

  127. so, you big dogs gonna have all the fun smacking the newcomer fish? geez. i had figured maybe you guys were wacking the left wingers, and saving a limbaugh-type nutbag for me. but no, you eviscerated chowdah.

    when do i get to hit?

  128. howard,

    Doesn’t surprise me that he lives across the street from you. I knew you were a heavyweight.

    Please slap him around for me the first chance you get.

  129. TeresaE

    Your comment to Colma is spot on … “where they went” … indeed.

    And maybe the rise of outsourcing went hand-in-hand with the education bubble. I think NIA had the first expose of that. The false meme of college for everybody has raised its head before — the Sputnik panic. And as usual with government interventions, the end result was oversupply skew which led to a lot of overtrained people unemployed.

    Even Obumble has mouthed the college for all, as though honest trades are somehow unworthy. Well, a total ~information society~ doesn’t get drains unblocked, etc. Or the garbage hauled.

    AT&T bought into the foolishness, late to the game as usual, with a tuition aid plan for workers. So a fellow employe signed up for a psychology course and was paid. I had my own plan, taking my first data processing course. The department head called me in and said, that has no value to the Bell System. Heh. A few months after the certificate course was completed, he calls me in to say they were sending me to a conference about the new database plan for circuit installation.

    Why me? Because I had the training … but I went and listened to the New York experts. Their new and improved scheme would have doubled the paperwork — this is an improvement? So I asked the obvious question: have either of you actually done this job, as I have? *crickets*

    On my return, department head chides me for embarrassing them. Was my question wrong? Well, no … was my conclusion that the increased paperwork would lead to lowered productivity a mistaken conclusion? well, no … but … When it played out as I predicted, I got to say, I told you so.

    The other thing that happened was the rise of the HR professional. Argh. And psychological and attitude testing. And now we have recriters and headhunters who really have NO idea, especially when it comes to techy jobs. In the old days, people started at the bottom of the ladder, learned the company and progressed up the ladder — and hired people because they knew the job from the inside.

    But the whole structure changed with the rise of the professional manager and companies run by accountants who had not a clue what their product was. Easy to see why they outsourced the messy part of the business.

    So there were many threads to this tangled web.

  130. heavyweight. heh. i wish.

    i’m sure he has dog groomers who bill him more annually than i pull down.

    but that’s new york. my building is not cheap, but a long ways from his. there are nurses and a couple of schoolteachers in mine. even some rent controlled units, grandfathered in.

    that could be a dan rather ‘what’s the frequency, kenneth’ moment. “while walking his dog late last one night, a balding middle aged pale brown man attacked, slapping mr. dimon with a sneaker, shouting ‘and that one is for smokey, you corporate welfare queen!'”

  131. Oh, yeah …

    There was a remarkable exception back in the 60s, Robert Townsend.


    He was brought in to rescue Avis, which certainly needed it. One of his policies was a job swap one week a year — sort of like seeing how the other half lived. Everyone learned lessons from that. One low level employe got to sit in on negotiation for the next years rental fleet; he walked out of that meeting and said, damn, you guys really do earn your money. LOL.

    The other anecdote was a vice president put in a small regional airport to work the rental desk. That was so overwheming to him, he literally broke down and cried one day, the paperwork was just too confusing. Needless to say, great improvements throughout were made.

    Business books he wrote:


  132. http://feministing.com/2011/10/04/guest-post-my-hope-for-occupy-wall-street/

    “Occupy Wall Street’s General Assembly operates under a revolutionary “progressive stack.” A normal “stack” means those who wish to speak get in line. A progressive stack encourages women and traditionally marginalized groups speak before men, especially white men. This is something that has been in place since the beginning, it is necessary, and it is important.

    “Step up, step back” was a common phrase of the first week, encouraging white men to acknowledge the privilege they have lived in their entire lives and to step back from continually speaking. This progressive stack has been inspiring and mind-boggling in its effectiveness.”

    If the observations posted by this blogger are true, It appears that the OWS general assembly has adopted the same old tired feminist, anti-white PC bullshit that I can no longer tolerate. If someone has observed otherwise, please correct me.

    In every significant struggle for individualism and freedom I have studied, it is Aryan men who did the heavy lifting, intellectually and physically.

    If White male protesters outnumber all other categories, so be it. They not should accept being penalized in the speaking order. If a woman or a member of another race wants to speak, fine. Take your place in line and wait your damn turn.

  133. Well, Andrew, go there and say so… you mullet-clad cracker.

    Howard, you are cracking me up. Smokey beat you to it.

    Novista: Spot on, man. Teresa too.

    I wish I could have let some punks have it today, but this article literally takes 5 minutes to load and crashes my droid browser at the last second. It took a whole break to call whooey a lilliputian…

    This one’s for llpoh:

    I want a new phone. This peace of shit I bought on sale a year ago has 3 year old technology. I deserve… I’m entitled… no, I HAVE A RIGHT to a brand new, state of the art smartphone. If I don’t get it, I might actually have to stay on task, undistracted at work. If all the cubie dwellers can, why can’t I? This isn’t the America I grew up in. I want a new phone NOW!!!

  134. Andrew’s link was specious nonsense… Another co-opting force making OWS theirs. Check down the article where the dude says “otherwise this would be people of privelege speaking against people of privelege” or some shit.

    I love when reality bugs special interests of any stripe.

    Admin: How many areas had people speaking and how much “progressive” stacking?



    Just curious.

  135. Quinny,

    Hatboro wasn’t on my list, see below. They should close it, you’re the only one that shops there. Instead of the “Reserved for the employee of the month parking space” they have a Reserved for Quinn Family” space. It’s halfway down the lumber aisle.

    Los Banos, CA Biddeford, ME Old Bridge, NJ

    Westminster, CA Ellsworth, ME Batavia, NY

    Denver, CO Ionia, MI N. Kingstown, RI

    Aurora, IL Rogers, MN Emporia, VA

    Oswego, IL Claremont, NH S. Tacoma, WA

    Chalmette, LA Hooksett, NH Brown Deer, WI

    Haverhill, MA Manchester, NH

  136. Avalon

    That insensitive husband of yours should have known better than post a photo of you in a red dress. I have this one of you in a blue dress. Better?


  137. @Colma

    “Well, Andrew, go there and say so… you mullet-clad cracker.”

    Yeah, yeah, I agree. It’s my issue, and if it bugs me enough, I should get off my ass, make the trip there (as our esteemed host did), and speak my mind.

    For those interested, here are excerpts from the blog of Robert Graham, a self-styled “independent” journalist who characterizes himself as libertarian. I found these two articles to be a worthwhile read. Notwithstanding the two observations quoted below, his overall take on OWS seemed positive for the time being.


    “More than just the amplifying the voice, there is a system for selecting speakers. There is a “Stack” of speakers expressing desire to speak, with their position on the stack dynamically adjusted so that all points of view get equal time, or so that shy women get pushed ahead in the stack to counterbalance loud males. The audience gives feedback, from up/down thumbs, to raised hands with wiggling fingers (“twinkles”) to express enthusiastic support, like clapping, but without drowning out the speaker with noise. (Apparently, this structure was inspired by the Spain
    “Indignados” protests from back in May.)”


    “I personally experienced this duality between populism and totalitarianism. I had chosen a table in an empty area away from the crowd to type up my notes. I didn’t realize it, but it was near the General Assembly area that would soon become crowded. Members of the Media Team came up to me and insisted I move, so that they could set up a tripod and camera on the table to take pictures of the General Assembly. I refused. I tried to do this as nicely as possible, with a pleasant demeanor, but of course, I was being a jerk. I didn’t like they way they insisted, but also I wanted to test them, to see what would happen when somebody didn’t go along with their demands.”

  138. Many people and many groups are “on the take”; Few are without blame, for participating in “pay to play” and corruption and bribery, and generally receiving stolen goods that is other people’s property. These protesters are partly culpable for the mess we’re in too, for the favorable treatment they receive from government..the hand-outs, the one-sided regulation, etc. Guaranteed student loans courtesy of the taxpayers, minimum wage laws that curtail competition among job-seekers, residential zoning laws that penalize a homeowner for misusing his own property because it brings down property values, union laws that artificially drive-up wages or force businesses to hire-back striking workers, etc. etc. So many people happily receive their stolen goods and yet complain about the others doing it. It’s not just “crony-capitalism” we should wring our hands over, but also, crony-unionism, crony-educationalism, crony-consumerism, etc. Let’s put the blame where it belongs most: on our FIDUCIARY, the government. A fiduciary is always held to a higher standard, and while the giver of a bribe is culpable also (us), we need to blame our fiduciary—the government—more than anyone, because they make it all happen, and create this whole bribery/favors-for-hire/payola scheme.

    1. flash

      I’m shocked Lew posted it. He was initially negative on OWS.

      It seems to be going viral. We had 13,000 visits on Monday and 15,000 visits yesterday.

  139. Novista, you nailed on so many real issues.

    Issues that all the “experts” refuse to see.

    I was initially drafted into recruiting accountants because of my WORKING knowledge of the industry. Before that HR was just one more duty that a small business manager has to deal with.

    Then I learned how big companies worked, oh my.

    Once I found out that the FIRST person touching your resume was some under appreciated receptionist, it blew me away.

    Most people have no chance.

    And now, thanks to everything you point out, they have even less.

  140. Michael Rozeff posted a link Monday , which may have led Lew to realize that Libertarians and OWSer’s share a common interest in reforming the system and ending the FED.
    Th enemy of my enemy and so forth.
    The OWSers already know the deck is stacked , so the real challenge is to show them there is another path besides the collectivist road they’ve been pointed down since grade school.
    And, this is where the Libertarians need to step up to the plate and explain to these kids that more government is not the answer to economic and individual freedom.
    We all started somewhere outside the libertarian ideologue of less government is better.

    October 17, 2011
    What Occupy Wall Street Is About, Herman
    Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on October 17, 2011 06:49 PM

    We’re still learning what Occupy Wall Street is about. This article I found very helpful. Many pictures, comments, and experiences are in it, and I see no reason not to believe the report.

    I thought Herman Cain’s 15 minutes of fame ended when he said that the people in Occupy Wall Street were deadbeats. This showed a decided lack of judgment. How many millions of votes would that hasty and ill-considered generalization cost him? What did he really know about the people protesting? He also showed a prejudicial attitude in favor of the establishment and against change.
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  141. TV has really become the last place we should try to get information from, well yeah, MSM in general – don’t get your info from anywhere but internet.

  142. Articles and movements like this really irritate me. Not because the movement is wrong, but because the information they are disseminating is wrong. The United States is NOT a democracy. We are a Republic!. Don’t believe me, say the Pledge of Allegiance. “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which is stands!” Learn the difference. We can actually solve our problems if we started implementing our Constitutional Rights as a Citizen of the Republic. I suggest all to watch Michael Badnarik’s Constitution Video (google is) if you want to learn how you can change the system without needing reelections and how our system was set up to protect the minority, not the majority. Democracy means that if 51% agree on something, then it can be made into a law. A democracy is a horrible form of government. Republic is where if approximately 10% disagree with a law, it can never be enforced (Jury Nullification). Educate yourself before you start trying to educate others!

    1. RepublicFiend

      Don’t be such an ideologue with your search for perfection. I hate pompous asses who think they have all the answers. Don’t tell me to educate myself when you come off as a jerk dropping a bowel movement on people trying to make a difference in this country. Sit in your house and keep wishing for your perfect Republic. What are you doing to make your perfect country a reality?

  143. fiend/fēnd/

    1. An evil spirit or demon.
    2. The Devil.

    What a fucking idiot. You need to get yourself a soap box and head to NYC, get yourself laughed at all day long, might instill a little humility douchebag. But, really, thanks for contributing, and welcome to the site.


  144. Dammit Jim, democracy is NOT freedom! democracy is MOB-RULE! democracy is 51 percent voting to eat the other 49 percent! neighbors looting neighbors back and forth…you loot them via tax-theft and then they loot you via some other tax-theft! it’s all musical chair looting where everything is fine and dandy while you’ve got a chair and a GUNvernment teat…but when it’s your turn to bend over and get horsed with no lube…then folks don’t like being the 49 percent in a mobocracy democracy looterfest!

  145. Dearest administrator,

    My apologies if I came off as a pompous ass. And I praise you for trying to do something to make this country great again. However, titling your article “A Lesson in Democracy” when we are a Republic makes you sound ignorant rather than intelligent. If a person was debating with me telling me they wanted to restore this country’s democracy, then I wouldn’t give them much opportunity to sway my support since we are a Republic. What sense would that make? Imagine if I wrote an article entitled “A lesson in communism” and started spouting off how we are restoring our country to be communist once again. Would you think me intelligent or would you think I don’t know anything whatsoever about the history of our country?

    And as to the name RepublicFiend, I was going more with the informal definition as defined on http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiend as:
    5.Informal. a person who is extremely addicted to some pernicious habit: an opium fiend.

    1. RepublicFiend

      Apology accepted. I try to make the titles of my articles catchy. I changed it 8 times. A LESSON IN REPUBLIC didn’t sound right. I understand your viewpoint and agree we need to move towards a Republic, but perfection will never be achieved.

  146. ROFLMAO You are the HIPPY you don’t see how much of a failure those people are. There isn’t any widespread support for these nitwits. Wake up smell the roses honey. LOL LOL LOL

    1. Bruce

      Thanks for dropping by and representing the ignorant masses. Keep your dial tuned to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to get the propaganda that amounts to your knowledge about OWS.

      Enjoy your life of blissful ignorance.

  147. Bruce:

    You are a dipshit and fail to see what a cocksucker you are. There isn’t any widespread appreciation for cocksuckers like you. Wake up and do something about your cock breath. LOL LOL LOL.

  148. Take an action Don’t go sit in a park and hold a sign. Close you account with the bank if thats what you believe. Don’t take a sign and run down to the bank. All that proves is you want the attention. I’ve been keeping only enough in the bank to pay bills pulling the rest and saving it. Open your eyes see whats coming and prepare. Protesting is a waste of time and effort. Wow ADW we all know you can swear,but can you think??

  149. Bruce:

    It’s AWD dipshit. Where’d you go to school? You are obviously too fucking stupid to read or understand what the hell is going on. There is widespread support for the OWS protests, even a 5 year old could figure that out, but you can’t seem to. Go back to reading comic books and watching Spongebob, which is probably the only thing you’ll be able to comprehend.

  150. Colma

    Andrew’s post was bullshit. There are people speaking all over the site. There isn’t one spot where all the speaking is happening. It’s like a festival of opinions. Idiots and ideologues will continue to try and misrepresent what is happening because they are either afraid or want to co-opt it for their own agenda.

  151. 2/3 of the population of this country qualifies for some sort of affirmative action or special carve-out as a result of being part of some “historically disadvantaged” group. Many of them get off the boat from somewhere else and run straight to the front of the grievance line.

    The remaining 1/3 that is white males are filling 3/4 of the body bags flying in to Dover AFB from the Middle East. When you consider the fact that the average age is probably something like 20 years old it’s even more frightening. The people who have historically done the heavy lifting of building and perpetuating this society are dying out.

    Wall Street could be castrated tomorrow and it won’t make a damned bit of difference in the downward trajectory of our nation, because the people who made it what it is are gone and have been replaced by Third World illiterates with no skills, education, or traditions of liberty and self-determination.

    When they protest that I’ll get on board.

    1. Bob

      Please prove your 2/3 of the population line. I think it is a big load of shit. We like facts on TBP. I’ll be waiting.

  152. haha, Admin, you are a “chicken hawk” freedom fighter. you action of deleting my post of facts of 9/11, demonstrated that your self proclaimed “love of democracy” is just that. how ironic, yeah, it is truly a lesson in democracy.

    1. Edy from north

      Any post with more than three links in it automatically goes into the spam folder. If you can’t make your case in your own words without 50 links to your nutjob websites than fuck off. I find that you nutjobs are incapable of ever making a cogent argument in your own words. I wonder why that is?

  153. Admin is such a fat-fuck, cocksucking bastard that retaliates like a schoolyard bully. Oops, I stooped to Admin’s level.

  154. I don’t see what is bullshit about Andrew’s post. He linked to a blog providing first-person experiences of OWS, and another with some dingbat far too obsessed with keeping score of the race and gender of people who participate, and proclaiming that the “zeitgeist” of the movement is, to wit: white men go to the back of the line. This is not even the fifth time I’ve heard this kind of garbage from protestors and their supporters.

    1. Bob

      I was there and anyone can say anything they like. There is no one running it, as portrayed by those who want to tear down the movement. I will refute the lies as they appear on TBP.

  155. Edy from north

    Keep preaching !! Admin is an incurable cur.

    1) Did you know that the twin towers fell AT FREE FALL SPEED ??!!

    2) Did you know they found NANO-THERMITE at the site ??!!

    3) Did you know Building 7 fell …. even though NO PLANE HIT IT ??!!

    I have been trying for years to get Admin here to open up his fucking mind to the fucking truth. But he won’t listen. You keep trying though. Eventually he will see the truth behind 9-11 … that it was an INSIDE job. We fight a difficult fight … you and I and others like us. Never, never, give up.

    We now resume to regular programming.

  156. Edy “from north”

    That you, DP? How far north? British Columbia, perhaps?

    Too many good discussion threads on this site have been hijacked by 9/11 Truthers (or, according to some, people who post photos of Salma Hayek). Anyway, I support Admin’s rejoinder to you and add ………………….. it’s his site. And he makes the rules.

  157. “I have been trying for years to get Admin here to open up his fucking mind to the fucking truth.”

    I have been trying for years to get truthers to explain how DA GUBMINT rigged all these buildings with demolition charges without anyone knowing or someone spilling the beans by now. An operation like that would have required tens or even hundreds of people to pull off.

    No joy yet.

  158. Admin,

    The guy blogging over at Errata Security was there too. Why are your observations valid and his invalid?

    Could you also be guilty of forming a conclusion about the movement beforehand and then “fixing the intelligence around the policy,” as they say?

    “End The Fed” and libertarianism have become the new gay. It’s the thing to do when you’re a crowd-following Millenial. Just because they have it written on placards doesn’t mean they know a damned thing about it.

    Believe me I know, this is my age cohort and I’m assailed with this retardation every time I try to discuss issues with my peers. These are people who will launch into tedious screeds about how we need to equalize prosperity and cement a role for government in the economy then tell me I don’t know what Marxism is when I point out this is all ripped straight from the Manifesto.

    I admire your optimism. I actually hope you turn out to be right and this is the beginning of something new and good. But I fear my pessimism will serve me well once again.

  159. “How many areas had people speaking and how much “progressive” stacking? Stuchenachin?” — Colma

    Well …. Andrew posted an article from a website called feministing. WTF??? I take it that’s supposed to be a contraction of Feminine Fisting? WTF? Below is a picture of the lady who wrote the article.

    Now … would you fist her? Even with Smokey’s fist?? Me, neither.

    “progressive stacking” … what a pile of intellectual horseshit. Not even worth my time for a response. Everyone spoke, whenever they wanted to speak. End of story.

    The only Progressive Stack I saw was this lady who held up a “Bailout Silicone” poster.

  160. Bob

    I talked to the people holding the End the Fed signs. They aren’t dumbasses. You want this movement to fit into your preconceived notions. You then seek out those who confirm your opinion and dismiss those who were there and saw otherwise.

  161. That’s all easily rooted out from the Census data, Admin. White males represent roughly 1/3 of the population and are the only group of Americans not entitled to special considerations, unless of course they are pole smokers.

    Therefore, 3/3 – 1/3 = 2/3.

  162. Admin,

    Would your head explode if I pointed out to you that the guy standing next to the “Audit the Federal Reserve” who was holding the InfoWars sign is probably a 9/11 truther?

    Where were the “separation of unions and state” signs? Did you see any? Did you know that evil corporate Boeing was stopped from deciding where in the US they would locate a production line by the NLRB? First time in history this has happened.

    Far more corporations have been allowed to fail by the US government since the crash than unions. Unions have been the biggest beneficiaries of stimulus and bailout spending. So why isn’t it Occupy SEIU?

    Anyone protesting how the UAW was the biggest winner of the auto bailouts? Anyone even mention “UAW” and “auto bailout” in the same sentence? Anyone complaining about how the UAW got to retain its exclusive posh golf resorts while the Chrysler bond holders got the sandpaper condom up the ass?

    I’m just going to go out on a limb and say no, because I still haven’t seen anything yet that leads me to believe most people at OWS think much beyond what they got with their 100k degree in Eastern Mesopotamian Poetry Studies.

    You spent one more day at this protest than I did. You probably talked to 20 more people than I did. That doesn’t make you the All Knowing Swami Of OWS.

  163. There’s talk of going back to dollar coins because they last longer than paper. Who wants to carry coins around though? I just use dollars to tip with anyway.

  164. Bob

    Your full of shit. First there are 120 million white men according to the Census Bureau. That is 39% of the population.

    What special entitlements do the 123 million white women get that you don’t get? They are another 40% of the population.

    What special entitlements do the 15 million Asians get? That is another 5% of the population.

    You actually believe every black and hispanic person in the country is getting entitlements.

    You sound pretty whiny and acting like a poor victim.

  165. Bob

    I go to Prison Planet and to George Washington’s blog even though they support the truther bullshit.

    My head explodes when people like you try to push a false agenda. You have no facts to back up your points, so I take everything you say with a grain of salt.

    The protestors know exactly who is at fault for our economy crashing. It’s the politicians of both parties bought off by Wall Street and the mega-corporations. So simple, even a 9/11 truther should be able to understand. Do you understand?

    You come across as a whiny bitch. You remind me of the FSA with your poor white man schtick.

  166. Why is when sss posts Selma’s titties he get gobs of thumbs up.

    I post MASSIVE titties and what do I get for my efforts? Bupkus.

    I smell a fucking conspiracy.

    This hurts my feelings. I’m outta here.

  167. Oh excuse me I’m sorry 39% not 33%. US Census still counts many Hispanics as white. Many illegals are not counted at all, which would drive down the average if they were.. Even aside from all that, I seriously doubt that 6% renders my point moot.

    White women are entitled to preference in college admissions. Their businesses receive favorable treatment and are counted as disadvantaged businesses and receive preference in federal and state projects.

    They just HAD to go to work because they could do just the same work as men, but then they just HAD to be able to take off from their jobs for maternity leave then come back to the exact same pay and position they enjoyed when they left. Whoever had to step up into this void is expected to go back to what they were doing regardless of whether or not they did a better job. A number of women collect the maternity benefits and then leave the company once the maternity period is over. My wife works in a Fortune 500 construction company and tells me all this is actually quite routine.

    Asians are also termed as disadvantaged minorities and receive preferential treatment in a plethora of federal and state programs. I know personally a number of Chinese immigrants and the stories of Social Security and EBT fraud you would not believe.

    Nowhere in ANY of my posts did I say anything to the effect that “every black and hispanic person in this country is receiving entitlements.” I challenge you to go back and find it. You will not because I said “eligible,” not “receiving.” You’re putting words in my mouth now.

    1. Bob

      “2/3 of the population of this country qualifies for some sort of affirmative action or special carve-out as a result of being part of some “historically disadvantaged” group. Many of them get off the boat from somewhere else and run straight to the front of the grievance line.” – Bob

      Here is your direct quote.

      Yeah 6% is a rounding error that equals 18.5 million people.

      Your words say that many of them get off the boat and run to the grievance line. You said that many of the 2/3 do this. Considering more than 50% of your 2/3 are white women who already live here, your comment is complete and utter bullshit. The country brings in about 1 million immigrants per year. That’s a helluva lot less than 2/3 of the US population.

      I have a white woman for a wife. She ain’t getting no entitlements and privelages. You sound bitter about getting fucked over at work or something.

      This will make your head explode. I get a whole week paternity leave if I have a kid. Look – a white man getting entitlements.

      You infer that 2/3 of the population is sucking off the teat of state. That is a fact. I say again. You are full of shit.

  168. I’ve provided plenty of facts, you just don’t like them and can’t do any better at refuting them than “you’re full of shit it’s 39% not 33%,” as if that somehow sinks the point, so you resort to profanity and invective and attempt to tar me with some negative label like “whiny white man” so you can set me aside and ignore what I’m saying as irrelevant, because it makes you uncomfortable to consider these things may be true.

    I’m actually surprised you haven’t called me a racist yet.

  169. Funny, not ha ha, that those who actually do want to downsize government are lambasted by those that claim to be working in, or for, it.

    The clown car needs to expand or it will die.

    1. Edy

      I notice you didn’t make your case in your own words. SHOCKING!!!!

      Not one 9/11 Truther has ever been able to make their case without linking to some website with a bunch of other nutjobs backing them up. NOT ONE!!!


      Please explain how the greatest conspiracy and mass murder in the history of the world, which would have required at least 1,000 co-conspirators, has not resulted in one person coming forward with a guilty conscience to admit they were involved.

      I breathlessly await your answer.

  170. not I, but some asswipe, bung tonguing wannabe.

    17th October 2011 at 11:18 am

    flash says:

    Re: “What a joke. What exactly is a terrorist going to do to the Statue of Liberty? If they aren’t going to pick an easy target like the Lincoln Tunnel, why would they try anything to a statue.”



    Like or Dislike: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 1

    17th October 2011 at 11:20 am

  171. What exactly is a terrorist going to do to the Statue of Liberty?

    Not much, I gather, but the 40 virgins should definitely watch out.

  172. The county and city in which your PO Box is located are respectively 80% and 90% white. How nice for you. You only have to enjoy the parts of Philly that you choose.

    I knew there had to be a reason why the diversity poison still gums your mind. You don’t get much experience with “diversity,” do you? You hide out in your Whitopia and look down upon those of us who have to live with it as “whiny white men.”

    You don’t often stand in line behind Mexicans who don’t speak English paying for their groceries with WIC, do you? Don’t get begged for money for bums so often that you can actually tally that 9 out of 10 of them are black?

    You are the one who’s full of shit bozo. No real libertarian would do anything but deride entitlements. You’re another one of those half-assed modal libertarians who thinks libertarianism requires a socially liberal worldview aren’t you?

    1. Bob the really angry white man speaks. I fit in real well in the white suburbs 30 miles away from Phila.

      Wow. Your foaming at the mouth now. You are starting to remind me of Rick Perry at the debate last night.

      Bobby old boy. You haven’t been reading this site for a long time, have you.

      Maybe one of the long-time regulars can tell Bobby Boy about my 30 Blocks of Squalor Series and the fact that the term Free Shit Army was originated on this site.

      I suggest you google 30 Blocks of Squalor and Free Shit Army to see my interactions with diversity.

      Libertarians don’t hate people like you do. You’re a shrill hateful person, blaming others for your lot in life.

      You really nailed me with revealing my socially liberal worldview. You are a bright one.

  173. The county and city in which your PO Box is located are respectively 80% and 90% white. How nice for you. You only have to enjoy the parts of Philly that you choose.

    I knew there had to be a reason why the diversity poison still gums your mind. You don’t get much experience with “diversity,” do you? You hide out in your Whitopia and look down upon those of us who have to live with it as “whiny white men.”

    You don’t often stand in line behind Mexicans who don’t speak English paying for their groceries with WIC, do you? Don’t get begged for money for bums so often that you can actually tally that 9 out of 10 of them are black? I live it, every single day.

    You are the one who’s full of shit bozo. No real libertarian would do anything but deride entitlements. You’re another one of those half-assed modal libertarians who thinks libertarianism requires a socially liberal worldview aren’t you?

    1. Bob

      You are so angry you posted the same thing twice. I guess I’ll be expecting a big check from you in my PO Box?

  174. Admin:

    see, i said that you are close mind and incapable of seeing through the woods.

    real simply. there is no 1000 conspirators! give you a glimpse how can such a massive attack could be pulled off by a few dozens insiders:

    1. hold multiple war games on 9/11 to confuse and desfunction the air defense system. required participants: 10 people in key position of US government, military, FAA, NORADD.
    2. a. install toxic time bombs on the cockpits of hijacked airplanes – decapitated pilots. b. install remote control devices on planes, so they could be flied into buildings at will. required participants: 8.
    3. install explosives in those WTC 1, 2, and 7, as well as remote controll sequential timing devices fo “control demolition”. required participants: installation of nano-thermite explosives and timing devices: 10, actual control demolition: 3.

    further, this few dozen conspirators could be grouped into hierarchical structure, as well as seperated into functions: command and operation. therefore, conspirators knowing the whole plan could be limited to a few people, and the operational personannel could be killed after the fact.

    see, that is why no one coming forward. why do you believe Laden + 19 muslim outsiders could accomplished the massive attack, but not a few dozen actual insiders? see your fallacy?

    get it now? in fact, i am very proud of my plan 😉


      Edy from north has convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that 9/11 was an inside job. His thought process is beyond brilliant. I admit that I can’t poke any holes in his master plan.

      One question. How much explosives were installed in WTC 1,2 and 7? Was it done by one or two guys in about 15 minutes on a Saturday? Or would it take hundreds of demolition experts working for weeks or months without anyone questioning what they were doing?

      It took hundreds of demolition experts working for weeks to demolish Veterans Stadium in Phila. I’m guessing three of the biggest buildings in the world might require more than Veterans Stadium.

      Not that I don’t believe you.

  175. Hardly foaming, I’ve retained my composure quite well in the face of your descent into profanity and vitriol and cherry-picking of comments while ignoring the vast majority of what I’ve posted. You just kinda ignored the unions completely because I started talking about race and it’s the coward’s easiest way out to question the motivations and mindset of people who point out that we are being marginalized in our own country.

    Enjoy your whitopia. I live in South King County, WA where they’re talking about redistricting so we can have a majority-minority Congressional district to push the interests of Mexicans and Somalians who have been here for five minutes.

    But you keep raging against rich people making money. In 25 years when your children are a minority in the country their forefathers built and despairing at the lies they’ve been told that their non-white government would be the first in history to extend rights beyond their race or tribe they’ll thank you for keeping your eye so firmly on the ball.

    Or will they run away from the diversity and look down at those stuck with it like the old man does?

  176. Following is a breakdown of the way the top 1% of income earners make their money, by percentage of the top 1%. Executives/managers/supervisors, (non-finance) dominate. Next are medical professionals, followed by finance professionals (ie bankers/accountants/etc.). Then lawyers, etc.

    Executives, managers, supervisors (non-finance) 31.0%
    Medical 15.7
    Financial professions, including management 13.9
    Lawyers 8.4
    Computer, math, engineering, technical 4.6
    Not working or deceased 4.3
    Skilled sales (except finance or real estate) 4.2
    Blue collar or miscellaneous service 3.8
    Real estate 3.2
    Business operations (nonfinance) 3.0
    Entrepreneur not elsewhere classified 2.3
    Professors and scientists 1.8
    Arts, media, sports 1.6
    Unknown 0.9
    Government, teachers, social services 0.8
    Farmers & ranchers 0.5
    Pilots 0.2

    This info can be found in the tables of the following link:


    To a large extent, it clearly shows that the “rich” are a diverse bunch, and hard-working professionals dominate the top 1%. These top 1%, for the most part, would have little or no influence individually, on what is happening to the economy.

    The top 400 richest may well be a different story.

    1. LLPOH

      I see your list differently. 53.3% are either financial professionals, corporate executives or lawyers. Seems a little top heavy to me. Your category as an entrepreneur is 2.3%.

  177. Well, I see the nutjobs are swarming the site.

    Nutjobs Bob, Edy, Dumbass Mike – Welcome! Welcome! You will be warmly received and well treated.

  178. Admin

    As Smokey observed, (well) over 300 comments on this thread. By my count, your friend Bob hit comment number 300, so he wins. Please tell Bob what’s behind Door #1.


    Hang in there. Bring it. Admin’s a tough ticket, so just bring it.

  179. Call me a nut job, but at least I give my employer an honest day’s work. Some of you guys, including admin, must be monitoring and responding all day long — unless of course you all took the day off. Bring on the insults. I can take it. I have to admit though, some of the stuff you guys write is pretty funny and insightful.

  180. TeresaE, thanks.

    I remembered another store worth sharing (there are others but this is … )

    Many years ago, I met this headhunter, bragging about his prowess in fitting an applicant to a client in no time at all. I said he must always have his ear to the ground.

    He said he kept contact info on all prospective employes he encountered. But the best technique he developed was running phony newspaper ads for non-existent jobs — that gave him up-to-date prospects. Of course, he said employers do that sort of thing too, especially where there is turnover, for one reason or another …

  181. Two observations from Occupy Fairbanks:

    1) Everyone was given an opportunity to speak. This middle-aged Aryan male was invited to speak on two different occasions.

    2) The “twinkles” finger wiggling seemed pretty fucking lame. We had democracy in action all right-when an organizer suggested using the finger wiggle, he was shouted down. Brought it up for a vote, by applause. We chose to applaud and yell rather than wiggle fingers. Sorry.

  182. Admin

    you just could not wrap your thick head around the towers, couldn’t you? AND you don’t check your facts!!!!!!!

    your mentioned Veteran Stadium demolition, so i checked:

    Veteran Stadium outside dimension is about 200 x 200 square meters(guessing, as the field dimension is 100 x 100 meters. see wikepedia), meaning its seating structure size is about 100 x 100 square meters(assuming half of area). Therefore its supporting structure will be distributed in an area of 10000 square meters. Assuming it is about 3 storey high, so total area for demolition is 30,000 square meters. WTC1 and 2, the support structure concentrated in the center area of 20 x 20 meters, and they have 110 storeys, so the support structure is about 40,000 square meters. So in terms of support structure size for demolition, they are roughly the same size.

    So i dig further:

    “Brandenburg Industrial Service Company handled the demolition and Demolition Dynamics Company took care of the implosion. DDC’s previous work included demolition of Exhibition Stadium in Toronto, Fulton County Stadium in Atlanta and Cinergy Field in Cincinnati.

    Over the last six weeks, DDC drilled 2,800 holes in the remaining columns. Explosives were packed on Monday. Roughly 3,000 pounds of dynamite was needed to bring the Vet.”


    “Demolition Dynamics in Franklin, TN is a private company categorized under Wrecking and Demolition Work. Our records show it was established in 1990 and incorporated in Tennessee. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4. Companies like Demolition Dynamics usually offer: Demolition Services, Home Demolition Services, Interior Demolition Services, New Orleans Demolition Services and Standard Demolition Services. ”


    So, Veteran Stadium was demolished by 4 employees from DDC, with about 3,000 pounds of dynamite with 6 weeks of work.

    Therefore, from my master plan above, 10 demolition could install all necessary dynamite in WTC 1, 2, 7 within 6 weeks. Again those was regular dynamite, if they use high energy new explosives, such as nano-thermite, would they requre significantly less explosives? 1000 pounds? 600 pounds? Hmmm…

    So much for your assertion of “It took hundreds of demolition experts working for weeks to demolish Veterans Stadium in Phila.”

    See, i told you, my master plan was not only doable, it makes perfect sense.

    Now, to further my case look at the following picture:


    If any one looking at this picture, and not at least raise just a bit suspicion, then he/she is plain stupid, no further discussion is needed. If you stop drinking the koolaide in your hand and stare at the picture, then i would like you to consider the direction and distance of those ejected debris: left and right, above and below, away from the structure to the distance of more than 100 meters(300 feet. WTC exterior dimension is 60 meter or 180 feet).

    Now, could gravity do this magic? if you say yes, then again, you are just plain stupid, no further discussion needed. if you say: not likely, then lets continue with detour to some basic physics laws, namely the Newton Third Law of Motion and Conservation of Energy. That basically means: 1. if i hit you in the fact, your face has equal reaction impact on my fist. 2. energy consumed doing one thing cannot be used to do another thing.

    Rule number one dictates that my small car will not destroy a big truck in a collision. Rule number two dictates that an object’s energy used to overcome resistance, cannot used to accelerate the falling speed.

    Now in reality, in both WTC 1 and 2, the upper small portions destroyed the much larger lower portions. Violate Newton Third Law of Motion. Size matters in the physical world. Just ask your wife. Will you?

    WTC 1 and 2 fell at close to free fall speed, meaning upper portions face minimum resistance from lower portions. But from picture above and hundreds and thousands of videos, the structures were completely destroy, meaning there was maximum resistance.

    Now, when the buildings collapsed, they could either fall with minimum resistance, or maximum resistance. BUT NOT BOTH!!! This is the work of Conservation of Energy.

    See, simple physics could solve complex questions. Right?

    After reading the above and three days of deep thinking and soul searching, you still do not question what you are being told, then you are beyond help. Go to hell.

    1. Edy from north

      No one cares about your bullshit. Your 4 person demolition of the Vet is complete bullshit. It took months and hundreds of people working to bring it down. Here is a link describing the process. You are a nutjob of the highest order. Do you know David Pierre?


  183. Bruce

    Thanks for dropping by and representing the ignorant masses. Keep your dial tuned to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to get the propaganda that amounts to your knowledge about OWS.

    Enjoy your life of blissful ignorance.

    Haven’t watched any tv in months. After spending a little more time reading your story. I was wrong you arn’t a hippy. You were a tourist Hippy. LOL Awd is wrong ows isn’t that popular. You guys are getting hijacked by the elitest troops. wake up LOL. what a waste of webpage later losers.

  184. That does it folks.

    We’ve been compromised. Admin, llpoh, Smokey, AWD and all the regulars we have to quit. Bruce just tagged us as elitists. Yes folks, recent college grad here rolling in the dough. Elite as they come.

  185. TBP just had the biggest three day visitor count in our history. We’ve had 43,000 visitors since this article was written. That is about 65% higher than our average daily visitor count of 8,500. It seems people are very interested in OWS.

    1. 43,000 visitors and not one f#$ing donation. Does this site just attract poor people? I need to do some positive stories about Wall Street big swinging dicks.

  186. Sigh

    It’s realy a damn shame that Jim’s OWS article has been (partially) hijacked by Truthers. Then again, I (we) are to blame for accomodating them … instead of ignoring them.

    One last point, then I am really truly done with the topic.

    Edy, you posted a pic of the tower collapsing. It even has a red arrow! Gasp! Please note that if this was a demolition, then it would be THE FIRST building ever demolished from the top down! EVERY demolition … every one … in the real world is done from the bottom floors FIRST … to allow GRAVITY to do the major work. You will find the truth of this statement in every demolition site on the internet. You will see it in every youtube vid of buildings demolished. Bottom floors FIRST …. quite the opposite of what happened with the towers.

    You may find some obscure web site refuting even this, but that does not change the fact that 99.9% of demolition websites say it is false.

  187. Administrator says:


    I see your list differently. 53.3% are either financial professionals, corporate executives or lawyers. Seems a little top heavy to me. Your category as an entrepreneur is 2.3%.

    Admin, do you have a link where I can get that number?

    This is EXACTLY what I’ve been telling hub, his family and my customers/vendors.

    WE are not the 1%, WE are not the 99%, WE are not the 53%, WE are the 2.3% that the other 97.7% keep coming back to, to fund their continued bullshit.

    And we are an endangered species that does not have ONE “group” fighting for our survival. We refuse to even band together and try to do it ourselves. Of course, exhaustion, over work and lack of funds tends to put a damper on activism.

  188. Edy from North. I am so pleased you are proud of your brilliant plan. The public school system did a great job of teaching you (undeserved) self-esteem. Too bad it couldn’t make you literate.

    AKAnon from the North

  189. Admin, help me out, what does 9/11 have to do with your article? I also don’t see how knocking down the towers would help scare the shit out of the average sheeple? Weren’t the planes hitting them enough? These “truthers” are morons.

    Great article BTW, but you were walking through NY and didn’t get any meat on a stick? Shameful.

  190. Edy you SIF [Single Issue Fanatic]

    Why can’t you stay with the topic? Oh, of course, you spend your miserable life trashing blogs with your fanaticism. You could come along — on topic — when this site does hold a WTCfest, but noooo …

    So here’s an invitation for a 911 alternate viewpoint:


    Go argue with another scientist. Just imagine if he turned out to be right! Your world would crumble.

  191. Nice job.. Here is a Trillion Dollars.. print 3 of these to bail out the PIIGS and 15 to bail out the USA. Sorry I don’t know how to post the image of both sides of a Trillion Dollar Bill which you can google “photo of a Trillion Dollars” and a roll of “U.S. Currency Toilet Paper” so Bernake, Obama, George W. Bush, Alan Greenspan and Tim Geithner can all wipe ther Asses with. Send this Trillions to all your contacts and have them send to all their contacts.. See how long it takes for these Trillion to go around the World.

  192. Your experience is definitely inspirational. From the first days the Occupy movements started my heart warmed to the central message, but I feared it would be mired by a bunch of lazy gen-x’ers and liberal adults that were nothing more than professional protestors (that would be on to their next cause in a few weeks). After seeing the unorganized disaster of OccupySanFrancisco over the past few weeks (urinating in flower pots, naked parades, etc. I had all hope lost. Your experience and pictures show the NY movement is quite different. Thanks for this blog!!

  193. Mark-my expectations were much like yours, and I still wait for the other foot to drop. In the meantime, I am (naively?) enjoying the show. I joined the local version, much smaller, but smaller town and much more isolated, and the vibe was much as Admin has conveyed. So far, so good. FWIW, I have spoken with co-workers who are anything but deadbeat hippies who said they would have come out had they known of the event.

  194. I want to point out that the uniformed goons w/the guns–who nearly unquestioningly follow the orders of the Political Class–are most certainly NOT “part of the 99%”. People who are willing to kill to enforce the will of politicians, and by extension the other “1%”, are part of the Parasitical Class.

    Police, soldiers, tax-collectors…not on our side…remember that BP.

    Also, f*ck democracy…I want freedom.

  195. Jim, just curious, what are the most comments ever on a thread? Which thread? (assuming you keep track of such stuff.)

  196. Occupy Wall Street: Gaining Momentum in Social Media

    Research from NM Incite reveals new findings about how the Occupy Wall Street movement is playing out in social media. NM Incite tracked buzz volume related to “Occupy Wall Street” in blogs, boards, groups, and video/images beginning on September 10th.

    NM Incite manually scored and analyzed tweets including the #OccupyWallStreet hashtag in order to understand which topics were driving the conversation. General support for the cause was the most prevalent theme, comprising 22% of all #OccupyWallStreet tweets. However, 11% of tweets used the hashtag to voice their complaints against the movement. As it relates to who people feel is responsible for social inequality, the research shows that the majority of social media users indicate that they feel the government is responsible, although many point to President Obama and capitalism as other sources responsible. Opinions and participation discussion also ranked high comprising 19% and 11%, respectively.


    More here.

  197. As a private park, wouldn’t it be grand that Brookfield was asked and gave permission to OWS for continual presence? To include codifying damage and cleanliness expectations?

    1. James Aragon

      It’s a public park. Get your facts straight. Brookfield had to build it in order to get approval for a skyscraper. It is open to the public 24 hours per day. Do you have details on the damage and cleanliness?

  198. Let’s get this bitch to 400 posts!!

    Occupy Obama in Iowa ——— bwahahahaha!


    How to Turn Up the Heat on Democrats

    Occupy Obama


    President Barack Obama is no longer running unchallenged in all the major primary states, thanks to activists in Iowa who are focusing their Occupy Wall Street activism onto the headquarters of the Obama for President campaign office this Saturday, October 22, in Des Moines.

    The “Occupy Obama” event is being organized in part by veteran rabble rouser Hugh Espey and his highly effective Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement, a grassroots force that has been fighting for economic and social justice since the 1970s. CCI members are already participating in Occupy Wall Street actions in nine Iowa towns. Occupy Obama seems a logical next step to escalate the movement further into national view and create the potential for debate and organizing within the Iowa presidential caucuses in January.

    Espey criticized Obama by name in a Des Moines Register guest editorial of October 6, 2011 announcing CCI’s support for Occupy Wall Street actions in Iowa. “Our political leaders are too busy asking big banks and Wall Street corporations for campaign contributions to push the ‘put people first’ policies that this nation needs,” he wrote. CCI will march on Obama’s campaign headquarters in Des Moines on Saturday. This Occupy Obama action could catch fire nationally, especially given the frustration widely voiced that not one prominent Democrat is willing to oppose Obama in the Democratic Party’s primary races. Occupy Obama could partly fill that void. “We’ll deliver a simple, powerful message to Obama staffers, and do a speak-out as well. We want regular folks telling the Obama staffers what they think. We want Obama to understand that the 99% demand action from him to put communities before corporations and people before profits,” says CCI.

    Obama’s social and economic justice rhetoric, and his opposition to the war in Iraq, won him the 2008 Democratic nomination and the presidency. Millions of independents, young and ethnically diverse voters found him a compelling agent for the “Change” and “Hope” he extolled as a mantra. But the failure of Obama’s policies to adhere to his campaign rhetoric should not really be surprising. Candidate Obama in 2008 beat every other Democrat in collecting the most campaign contributions from the wealthiest funders of the Democratic Party, the 1% as opposed to the 99%, aka Wall Street. He has announced his goal for 2012 of raising one billion dollars which again will require the firm support of the very wealthiest Democratic Party interests.

    President Obama has been a huge disappointment on issues across the board, yet he was running unchallenged in the primaries until CCI announced its Occupy Obama action. Don’t be surprised if this Des Moines event is the start of a successful nation-wide Occupy Obama movement. In Iowa an Occupy Obama movement has real potential because it could choose to become a player in the Iowa caucuses in a way that is much more than symbolic. Occupy Obama activists could show up at the caucus meetings in January, for instance, and organize support for an Uncommitted slate of Occupy Obama convention activists. These Uncommitted delegates could provide a critical voice on the floor of the Obama convention in the summer of 2012.

    Some Obama supporters and interest groups have advocated using the Occupy Wall Street cause to help elect Obama and other Democrats, coopting the movement. However, an Occupy Obama movement could turn that scenario on its head. A growing Occupy Obama movement could directly confront the failures of the Democratic Party to represent most people.

    If Occupy Obama takes off, 2012 might feel a bit like 1968. Back then the Guns And Butter policies of Lyndon Johnson were destroying not just Vietnam, where millions eventually died, but also killing Johnson’s own domestic social programs, his Great Society reforms. The rapidly growing anti-war movement in 1968 rallied behind two Democratic Party primary challengers, Senators Gene McCarthy and Robert F. Kennedy. It forced the resignation of Johnson, but the bosses of the Democratic Party handed the nomination to Johnson’s Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who lost to Richard Nixon.

    While an Occupy Obama movement would be very unlikely to prevent his renomination, it could make him and his Party’s shortcomings a front and center issue. It could ignite a Democratic Party reform movement, as 1968 did, leading to some take back of the corporate Democratic Party by grassroots activists. It could also lead to the support and emergence of other parties more representative of the people, as opposed to helping Wall Street and giant corporations.

    2012′s interwoven crises of failing empire, economic desperation, corporate corruption, corporate control of government and bought elections, might have created a political turning point if the Occupy movement can keep upping the ante and building its numbers. Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement could well be firing a shot heard round the nation, if an Occupy Obama movement emerges to pressure the Democrats, utilizing the 2012 election to pursue this goal. Occupy Obama 2012 may be coming soon to an Obama Campaign or Democratic Party office near you!



    Yeah, baby!! The movement continues to grow…..


    New Campaign Seeks To Flush Corporate Corruption From Congress

    Occupy Government


    They worked many late night hours since this past spring creating a unique vehicle – part grassroots initiative and part cutting-edge technology – for countering the most corrupting force in American politics today: corporate dominance now controlling too many elected leaders on Capitol Hill.

    Months before the Occupy Wall Street movement captured attention, inspiring millions across America while alarming this nation’s political/corporate class they began fashioning plans to find ways to run honest people for elected office.

    A problem was how to get those honest, regular people to run for Congressional office without the need for those candidates taking money from lobbyists to afford the purchase of TV ads traditionally presumed required for effective campaigning.

    Their solution: new open source software that affords candidates opportunities to get their messages to voters with full transparency circumventing the staged manipulation of traditional televised political debates in tandem with social media.

    Recently they launched OccupyGovernment.org during an informational activity at ground zero of the Occupy Wall Street effort – the former Liberty Plaza Park now known as Zuccotti Park in New York City.

    The immediate goal of the non-partisan OccupyGovernment.org is to elect a majority of new representatives in Congress next year thus flushing-out those members on both sides of the political isle beholding to the interests of corporations and private wealth including Tea Party aligned representatives.

    Interestingly, that launch occurred not too far from the kitchen of the Greenwich Village townhouse where planning for this campaign began this past spring under the umbrella entity of the BeYourGovernment.org.

    “Take the buck out of the ballot” was a call to action voiced at the activity by OccupyGovernment.org co-founder Liz Abzug, the director of the Bella Abzug Leadership Institute – the entity furthering the work of late Congresswoman, feminist and social activist Bella Abzug.

    “The reason we are creating BeYourGovernment.org is that the corruption of our political system by large corporations, lobbyists and billionaires has grown so extreme that our nation’s democratic process has been transformed,” said Liz Abzug, daughter of Bella Abzug.

    “As a result, the U.S. has experienced the largest redistribution of wealth upward in modern history, while our nation’s middle class is under assault like never before,” explained Abzug, who teaches Urban Studies at Bernard College in New York City.

    A press statement issued by the non-partisan OccupyGovernment.org states:

    “We, the people, can take back our corrupt government if millions stand up and use our social networks to replace the multi-million dollar TV ad campaigns, financed by corporate bribes, that members of Congress in both parties rely on to get elected and re-elected.”

    Perverse policies emerging from the corrupted Congress include naked favoritism to corporations and billionaires resulting in their paying the lowest level of taxes ever while corporate profits soar at an all time high, the press released notes.

    “Let’s Occupy our corrupt government now!” the OccupyGovernment.org release urges. “Not by shutting it down, but by opening it up to the 99% of us that it has been stolen from.”

    OccupyGovernment.org asks citizens to only vote for candidates who pledge to represent the interests of people not corporations but vote for candidates who do not accept large corporate contributions.

    Occupy.org does not align itself with any political party nor does it seek to become a political party, its founders stress.

    David Levitt, a founding Board Member of the diverse OccupyGovernment, said that movements like Occupy Wall Street and OccupyGovernment are beginning to reverse the apathy people have in towards politics, producing consistently low levels of voter participation, by convincing citizens that change is possible.

    “Railing in the streets against corporate politicians and then refusing to support an independent 2012 opponent would be a cop out,” said Levitt, an African-American and computer specialist who lives in California.

    “With social media, YouTube, Facebook and BeYourGovernment.org, it’s our decision whether the 2012 races are money races or something better. If you haven’t found a candidate you respect in your district or state, it’s your duty to find one, draft one or become one.”

    The movement to attain more representative government is not limited to the United States. Literally hours before the launch of OccupyGovernment, the London based Operation Black Vote unveiled it’s “Shadowing Scheme.”

    This OVB initiative is an effort to increase ethnic/racial minority representation in England’s Parliament where diversity hovers around 4 percent which is about half of the non-white population level in that nation.

    Twenty-five persons representing diverse groups work alongside MPs (Members of Parliament) in mentor-type relations for the next six months gaining insights on that body and assistance for future candidacy.

    “The way four our communities to be afforded equality of opportunity is for our communities to be politically and economically empowered,” said Simon Woolley, Executive Director of OBV during the “Shadowing” launch program held in a meeting room inside the stately Parliament building.

    OccupyGovernment.org is about “Being the Change” for setting aside “the ridiculously stacked deck of the most money wins elections,” said another co-founder, entrepreneur Jon Greenberg, an author and former journalist covering the financial industry.

    “About two-thirds of Americans who understand that Occupy protesters are looking to address economic injustice and a government thoroughly corrupted by corporate campaign donations, are ready for a new government,” continued Greenberg.

    “They’ve got the money but we have the numbers and the Internet!”

    Linn Washington, Jr. is a founder of This Can’t Be Happening. He lives in Philadelphia.

  200. Yeah, James Aragon… where you been, a cave?

    It’s been a hell of a week and this was a hell of an article. I can tell you… there is a correlation with exact words of a talk-jock and the appearance of a similar comment, to the day. May not be cause and effect but I’m not buying that shit.

    So, in the future this may be co-opted but will lose the support of the true lovers of liberty and fairness. So what.

    The problems linger and persist. Soon, should they continue to be glossed over with an obviously complacent MSM and given lip-service by vote-hungry politicians, there will be another economic calamity. With the Tea Party and OWS we’ve seen more and more people… dissatisfied people… get off their ass and, at the very least, bring the discussion out of the realm of sheepish, business-as-usual, pre-fabricated dialogue. These conversations will remain in the collective memory of Americans.

    With every bailout, stimulous or military incursion, the numbers will grow. Scary.

    Conversation between those normally convinced of being diametrically opposed in ideology has been opened, and there is much to agree on. For that, I am happy.

    Being but a human, I am also fearful of the unknown… yet this fear makes a part of me giddy with excitement.

    I hope that the sinister path toward destruction our society seems headed toward is given further obstacle.

  201. I had a squiz at the #OWS site earlier; interesting on the Features box, to see a lot of economic stories, Karl, William Black, and so on.

    Sky news had a story from Occupy Sydney and a bit about one protestor who said that a bloke came out the Reserve Bank of Australia building (RBA) and handed him an envelope with $200 in, saying, “You’re doing the right thing.” The protestor said thanks but they were casedup but if OK, they would help out the ones in Melbourne.

    And az Jazeera a little while ago had a story on Occupy, running a few statistics we all know about how middle class wages were stangant for a long time, etc. One interview with Michael Lind. Meh.

    That was followed by an in-studio interview with the honcho from SAP, software giant. They’re doing well, never slowed down. Hmmm.

  202. “Our political leaders are too busy asking big banks and Wall Street corporations for campaign contributions to push the ‘put people first’ policies that this nation needs,”

    Stuck, thanks for posting those articles. Occupy Obama. Finally getting around to the problem of politicians. I hope this keeps growing, eventually ending in Obama’s resignation. The republicans should get more aggressive in going after Obama and Holder, in my opinion.

  203. Stuck

    I love the quote from Bloomberg. That proves that there is no one controlling this thing and pulling the strings. It’s leaderless. That is what makes it more powerful. The powers that be can not wrap their hands around it. With no specific agenda they can’t use their PR maggots to misrepresent the demands.

  204. A copy&paste from JPMorgan’s website.

    Remember, children, the police are your friends. They are what we call public servants. They are here to protect you.


    Cops ES

    New York City Police Foundation — New York

    Beginning in 2010, JPMorgan Chase donated technology, time and resources valued at $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation, including 1,000 new patrol car laptops. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple.

    New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing “profound gratitude” for the company’s donation.

    “These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work.”


  205. Got this from an article on rense today. Lots of parallels to 1917. Check out the full article to be enlightened as to who is the puppet master.

    “Follow the trail (of where the $$$$ came from) people. House of Rothschild —– George Soros —— Open Society Foundation ——– Tides Foundation ——- Adbusters ————- Occupy Wall Street. There you have it. PRS Problem – Reaction Solution.”

    1. What?

      Morons like yourself are the problem. Only mongoloids get their news from the NY Post. Let me guess, you’re a Wall Street fuckwad.

  206. That’s funny. For somebody that claims to hate msm and perpetuate its message on OWS, you don’t know who or what rense is? It’s only “World’s #1 Alternative News Service”. Read it and weep.

    It began as “peaceful protests” on the 17th day of September – the month of the Autumn Equinox (Sept. 21 Mabron – a very special ritual day ordained by WICCA, Kaballa, and Pagan practitioners of Lucifer as the day of atonement and the “releasing of prisoners” both political and economic.) The protest began at a specific city which was the financial heart of THE pre-eminent global capitalist “Republic” – a world-power center of wealth and influence unequalled in the entire world at that specific time. The nation, however, had been in a Great Recession for three years. Factories were closing their doors, and unemployment had reached 36%. The national debt to the world central bank was crippling in every way. Inflation had successful eroded the wages of the people by 50%. The future of this once great nation was bleak in every way.

    The message of the “protesters” was a simple one ­ the “working people” were the unwitting slaves of BIG BUSINESS and COPORATE GREED a mere 1% (the “ruling class) were robbing the “people” (the remaining 99%) of their wealth and property. It was not just a single day of protests, but was scheduled to last for many months. Eventually, the “movement” spread to every other major city in the country as well as other foreign nations.

    If you think I am describing the 2011 OWS (Occupy Wall Street) and America the Beautiful, you are wrong. I am reciting the exact history of the Bolshevik Revolution (Red October) that eventually dismantled the Russian Republic of Czar Nicholas.

    According to Wikipedia: “Nationwide crisis had developed in Russia affecting social, economic, and political relations. Disorder in industry and transport had intensified, and difficulties in obtaining provisions had increased. Gross industrial production in 1917 had decreased by over 36 percent from what it had been in 1916. By September, as much as 50 percent of all enterprises were closed down in the Urals,, the Donbas, and other industrial centers, leading to mass unemployment. At the same time, the cost of living increased sharply. The real wages of the workers fell about 50 percent from what they had been in 1913. Russia’s national debt in October 1917 had risen to 50 billion rubles. Of this, debts to foreign governments constituted more than 11 billion rubles. The country faced the threat of financial bankruptcy.

    In September and October 1917, there were strikes by the Moscow and Petrograd workers, the miners of the Donbas, the metalworkers of the Urals, the oil workers of Baku, the textile workers of the Central Industrial Region, and the railroad workers on 44 different railway lines. In these months alone more than a million workers took part in mass strike action. Workers established control over production and distribution in many factories and plants in a nation-wide HYPERLINK “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_revolution” \o “Social revolution”social revolution.HYPERLINK “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution” \l “cite_note-0″[1] By the end of October 1917 there had been over four thousand peasant uprisings against landowners.

    At the end of October, (following all Hallow’s Eve) as the Russian weather turned bitter cold, the “protests” turned increasingly violent, and the “Revolution” began in earnest. The Russian Army and Navy refused to enforce “martial law” for the Czar, and instead defected to “The People” and took their orders (and large monetary bribes and promises) from Lenin and Trotsky.

    Millions of Russian Christian people eventually died following these “Red October” protests and the resultant class-warfare. The entire family line of Czar Nicholas was summarily executed in cold blood genocide. Millions more of the CHRISTIAN “upper class” were either executed or imprisoned for life in Siberian gulags by the “Red Army” led by Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trosky. The “Soviet Union” was born.

    The question that must be examined thoroughly at this point, my friends is: WHO WERE THESE “PEACEFUL PROTESTERS” LENIN AND TROTSKY HOW WERE THEY FUNDED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHO BANKROLLED THEIR OPERATION?? (The MONEY had to come from somewhere!)

    Moreover, is it possible that the sons, grandsons and daughters of the same, global “financiers” using the exact same mindset (revolution and martial law) are attempting to do the same thing in America, 2011, as was accomplished in Russia in 1917?? The answer to this question will stun you! Read on.

    An objective analysis of Czarist Russia’s economics in early 1900 shows that a singular event occurred that led to Russia’s destruction in 15 short years the Czar accepted UNLIMITED CREDIT from the House of Rothschild’s CENTRAL BANK OF AUSTRIA!!! The Czar needed gold to build his world empire, after all. He needed to buy machinery and equipment. He needed to buy modern weaponry and needed to build ornate palaces and resorts worldwide. In short, the Czar embraced the infernal demon named MAMMON without realizing that DEBT CYCLES are DEATH CYCLES. The Czar didn’t realize that the Khazar Jew BANKERS he was so deeply indebted to, would manipulate world markets and thus restrict cash flow, resulting in default and empire destruction.

    It is critically important to realize the most important truth called the “Hegelian Dialectic”. It is the Modus Operandi of the Jewish Central Bankers since King Nimrod and is symbolized by the Oroboros the ancient Babylonian symbol of the Serpent swallowing its own tail in an eternal cycle of Problem Reaction Solution. (PRS). In short, the MONEYCHANGERS create the problem to begin with, (Mountainous, Usurious DEBT causing chaos and unemployment) they then use their “money” to create and control the REACTION to the Problem (Protests and Revolutions), and in the end achieving the realization of the initial goal POWER AND CONTROL OF WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    Czar Nicholas didn’t see it coming. Will America??


    There are many researchers and authors who have written about the fact that both Lenin and Trotsky were Khazarian Jews (Jews who say they are Jews but are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan ­ Revelation 3:8). The World Bankster mafioso are led by the single richest family in the world the Rothschild dynasty. The Rothschild bloodline has been implicated in every war and revolution since Napoleon and the French Revolution. For a concise and comprehensive explanation of this fact, one should read BATTLE HYMN the book. Consider at this time the bragging words of Jewish biographer Marcus Eli Ravage, published in 1928 in The Century magazine: “You accuse us [the Jewish elite] of stirring up revolution in Moscow! Suppose we admit the charge. What of it? ——- You have not begun to appreciate the real depth of our guilt. We are intruders. We are disturbers. We are subverters. We have taken your natural world, your ideals, your destiny, and played havoc with them. We have been at the bottom not merely of the latest great war but of nearly all your wars, not only of the Russian but of every other major revolution in your history. We have brought discord and confusion and frustration into your personal and public life. We are still doing it. No one can tell how long we shall go on doing it.”


    What really made me scratch my head as my jaw dropped to the floor, is when I went online with OWS and found what they printed out as posters and banners for this “movement”. They had actually incorporated ORIGINAL BOLSHEVIK COMMUNIST SIGNS from 1917. Nothing new or original in their marching orders, it would appear.

    Notice the Hammer beating the Sword into a “plow-share” or sickle. This original emblem of the Bolsheviks became the symbol of Soviet COMMUNISM the Hammer and Sickle. Notice the language U.S. DAYS OF RAGE!

    This OWS poster was the original Bolshevik Revolution propaganda icon that literally covered Russia in 1917 depicting a defiant peasant woman with GRAIN forming XVII in BLOOD RED.



    What you have to remember is that most honest and hard-working Americans cannot afford to abandon their jobs and families and go live in tent in some park in some U.S. city. Nobody, with the exception of vagrants and homeless, have the means to camp out for weeks and months in city parks. So, what of these “protesters” who, just like Lenin and Trotsky, clearly have some invisible, covert financial pipeline of support? In fact, a recent NY Times article documented that OWS has bank accounts with nearly $1 million USD available for “expenses”. Where exactly did this money come from?

    To find some answers, I went down to “Pioneer Park” in SLC Utah the headquarters of “Occupy Salt Lake” a virtual tent city reminiscent of Woodstock in the 60’s, tie-dyed shirts, occasional whiffs of illicit Mary-Jane, and all. I talked to the “person in charge” who requested not to be specifically indentified (he said his boss thought he was on vacation for a few months, and could be fired if identified). I asked about the “organization” and was told that they have daily “conference calls” with OWS in New York and basically stay in touch through “social networking” Twitter and Facebook.

    I couldn’t help but notice the anomalies and hypocrisy of this group. An American flag had been altered in place of 50 stars were 50 corporate logos. Signs, banners and posters screaming about the evil of corporate profiteering and capitalist greed were everywhere. Yet on every bench and inside every garbage can throughout the “occupied” park, bags of McDonald’s fast food, Burger King, Pizza Hut boxes, etc. gave evidence of the menu choices of these righteous ones. Expensive smart-phones buzzed, the “head tent” had a wireless computer connected to the internet in order to keep in constant contact with OWS in New York. When I asked what “service” they used the answer was AT&T — yep, one of the “evil and greedy” corporate logos in their new “Logo-Spangled Banner.” It became very clear to me, very quickly, that these young people would howl like hyenas if their world of modern conveniences came crashing down yet that appeared to be what they were protesting against, -the evil grotesque corporate enemies of the Planet!! How strange is that?

    Here is what I learned about the “Protest” from two hours in Pioneer Park, Utah. First, OWS is most definitely NOT a random event rather it is well organized and structured. Secondly, I learned that the date was set for this protest over a year ago. Third, I learned that OWS is being organized, directed, and funded by a central, well-structured organization called simply ADBUSTERS.

    Now there are some pundits and minions, like Zionist Shill Glen Beck, who want you to believe this is all orchestrated by corrupt, organized labor unions such as the AFL-CIO, or the SEIU. At least according to the “Leader” I talked with, this is not the case. The SEIU has supported their activity somewhat, he said, but it is not the orchestrator of the event. That honor belongs to “ADBUSTERS”.

    So, who or what, is ADBUSTERS??? It’s a pretty abstract group tied to the Khazar-Jew owned “Media Foundation”. Adbusters produce advertising spots promoting the GREEN AGENDA you know – save the trees, end global warming, limit human population on the earth, etc. ad nauseum. Anti-consumerism is their mantra. Take a few minutes and watch a collection of their ads shown on You-Tube. Notice anything strange? How about running TV Ads advocating people stop watching TV. That TV corrupts the mind. Typical Jewish double-speak and psy-ops lunacy they demonize their own controlled propaganda medium, while utilizing that same medium to issue new propaganda on the very propaganda they themselves control. How sick is that world-view?? Dizzying, isn’t it??


    So, after getting a feel for “Adbusters” I really began to dig. Making a half-dozen calls to contacts in banking and finance, I learned that ADBUSTERS was originally formed thanks to an initial $185,000 GRANT from a very shady and questionable non-profit organization domiciled in San Francisco CA (just down the road from Bohemian Grove and the Presidio PSY OPS HQ by the way) calling themselves the HYPERLINK “http://www.tides.org/”Tides Center. I learned that all OWS financial needs are thus paid by “Tides” with a legal straw man entity called “ADBUSTERS”.

    TIDES FOUNDATION! What a name. Tides are governed by the MOON Cycles you see. Moon cycles also influence DATES, astrology, scrying, and all forms of WITCHCRAFT sabbats. Tides also affect the psyche of humans for the term LUNACY comes from Lunar the MOON CYCLES. The “Illuminati” declared their worldwide influence can and often does “turn the tides” of the planet. Get the drift?

    We learn from HYPERLINK “http://www.tides.org”www.tides.org, that “Tides has managed project and grantmaking activities totaling more than $2 billion.

    In 2010, Tides had assets of approximately $267.6 million and managed project and grantmaking activities of approximately $243.5 million, including $86.2 million in financial activities for our fiscally sponsored nonprofit projects and $157.3 million in grantmaking and related activities.  Tides also managed $26 million in real-estate related assets committed to the promotion of green nonprofit centers in 2010.”

    So, besides O.W.S. what other “project activities” is TIDES FOUNDATION involved in? Can we find out who donates these millions to “Tides”? Follow the money, folks, follow the money. Talk about MONEY buying influence and change!! Talk about corporate greed and Ego-ism!!! Talk about Psy-Ops and young students being mind-controlled, bought off, and used as puppets! Talk about HYPOCRISY!!! Well welcome to O.W.S. the “Occupy Movement” (and the “Arab Spring”.)


    In order to maintain “non-profit” (non tax) basis, the IRS requires tax-exempt foundations such as “Tides” to publish “disclosures”. Here we see that MILLIONS of dollars have been donated to “Tides” from something called the “Open Society” which we then find to be a wholly owned FOUNDATION of Mr. George Soros the “evil emperor” himself. Keep in mind what George Soros is, good people. He’s the front man for the House of Rothschild a soul-less Sabbatean, Khazarian, Lucifer-loving, Anti-Christian Jew who by his own admission sent innocent Hungarian SEPHARDI Jews to the Nazi gas chambers. He is also one of the world’s richest shysters who made his billions via global market manipulation and insider trading! He is the very epitome of EVERYTHING WRONG WITH CAPITALIST GREED the very thing that O.W.S. says they hate and despise so deeply!!!! Get the picture???

    Follow the trail people. House of Rothschild —– George Soros —— Open Society Foundation ——– Tides Foundation ——- Adbusters ————- Occupy Wall Street. There you have it. PRS Problem – Reaction Solution.

    Now, what is this REALLY all about? Could the ultimate goal of these Satanic human pieces of excrement (AKA the Global Elite) be Martial Law imposed in every U.S. City leading then to the total financial collapse of the U.S. economy following the tried and true model of the Bolshevik (Rothschild-sponsored) Revolution of 1917? Don’t forget their satanic “New World Order” also calls for the reduction of the human population of planet earth to a mere 500 million “elite” blood line heirs. Chilling? You better believe it!!

    Don’t forget George Soros has publicly declared that China will rule the U.S. economically so the U.S. has to collapse first. To this end, George Soros’ PET PROJECT is to implement a 1% TRANSACTION TAX (called a Tobin Tax) on all stock and bond buys and sales. This would, without a doubt, put the nail in the U.S. Stock Exchange. Soros and Rothschild have already secured their trillions. Now they selfishly want to save the world from the human scourge??? Sick.

    In his 2005 book, George Soros on Globalization, Soros writes not only in STRONG favor of the tax, but discuses how to “mobilize public opinion” for such a tax:

    ‘The globalization of financial markets has given capital an unfair advantage over other sources of taxation, a tax on financial transactions would redress the balancethe tax ought to be extended to all markets, not just currency markets Collection has to be worldwide, including tax havens. How could it be enforced? The collecting country must be given a portion of the proceeds(and Soros would be the “collector” — Ott) To mobilize public opinion of increased international assistance, the proposal must not only show how the money will be raised but how it will be spent.’

    If this is all factual and true, what can we expect to happen soon? What is Soro’s and his psy-op minions the OWS lackeys planning next?

    Make no mistake, eventually, just like the Bolshevik’s “peaceful protest” of 1917, this will undoubtedly turn very bloody. There is no other course it can take.

    The OWS New York (aka the Adbusters) sent the following directive to the “occupiers” of SLC and all other “comrades”:


    This is a proposal for the general assemblies of the Occupy movement.

    Eight years ago, on February 15, 2003, upwards of 15 million people in sixty countries marched together to stop President Bush from invading Iraq a huge chunk of humanity lived for one day without dead time and glimpsed the power of a united people’s movement. Now we have an opportunity to repeat that performance on an even larger scale.

    On October 29, on the eve of the G20 Leaders Summit in France, let’s the people of the world rise up and demand that our G20 leaders immediately impose a 1% #ROBINHOOD tax on all financial transactions and currency trades.

    Let’s send them a clear message: We want you to slow down some of that $1.3-trillion easy money that’s sloshing around the global casino each day ­ enough cash to fund every social program and environmental initiative in the world.

    Take this idea to your local general assembly and join your comrades in the streets on October 29.

    For the wild,

    Culture Jammers HQ

    Do you get it yet, friends?? Here we have the OWS “leaders” calling for the implementation of Soros’ PET PROJECT and prescribed Wall Street dagger.

    Furthermore, October 29 is targeted to be the day of RAGE. It all makes sense Samhain (All Hallow’s Eve Halloween) is the ordained time of the world satanic Cabal, an occult and macabre time of the Moon-charts; the days of the calendar wherein unwitting and innocent blood of the masses began to flow in Mother Russia the culmination of what the world called Red October. “FOR THE WILD” and for “your COMRADES” indeed!!!

    Forewarned is forearmed and remember this those who do not remember the lessons of HISTORY are doomed to repeat it.

    A True Ott, PhD

    October 21, 2011

    1. Anon

      Shocking that Anon can’t articulate his own thoughts about OWS. He must post an entire article from someone supposedly smarter than himself. This is par for the course for the ignorant masses represented so well by anon.

  207. Mary Malone

    Thanks for the link; a fair assessment by Mr Haggerty Well done.

    And I read comments. Some are reasonable, then there’s the cyclops … for example:

    scythe “… At the very least we should be sowing the seeds of confusion and doubt amongst them. They should be told they are being used. ”

    who knows, maybe this rusty blade is a shill for MSM or a paid troll. Or s/he even believes such nonsense. The old adversarial ‘us vs. them’ approach is so obsolescent. That fool plays right into the hands of the Janus-faced One-Party Systen who hopes to keep the status quo going forever

    ‘Confusion and doubt’, what a pathetic notion. But replace it with ‘education and discussion’ and it is a win-win outcome. Yes, surely some/many at OWS need some remedial Econ 101 to counteract two generations of government schooling ((based on ED’s1979 inception).

    Elsewhere in the blogosphere, I find many comments that OWS has ‘the wrong target’, should be government. I ask, why does it have to be either/or when the better answer is ‘not only but also’.

    Surely, we have an example of symbiosis. It’s just another revolving door scenario.

  208. Eliminate the party system, only vote for independent people who will obey the Constitution

    Restore the Constitution to refect Congress’ limited “enumerated powers”. Laws must refect the association to the Constitution.

    Corporations must treat people within a given corporation equal (i.e wages and benefits) as the the 14th amendment requires. Otherwise we will be peons forever!

    Vt Constitution: As all persons of full age, to preserve their independence (if without sufficent estate) ought to have some profesion, calling, trade, or farm, whereby they may honestly subsist,…

  209. Republicfiend is absolutely correct. The US is a Republic, where the rule is the Constitution, not the rule of man. Democracy is Tyranny of the Majority— like what they have in Venezuela. OWS represents the nearing of the tipping point that is tyranny of the majority. Despite Admin’s belief that there cannot be a “perfect republic” that is beside the point. The Constitution IS THE LAW. Democracy is NOT the answer— adherence to the rule of law is the answer. As a matter of fact, there is no “right to vote”— that right is only given by the states— they cannot discriminate once the franchise is given. The founders did not want all of the population to vote– they realized that 70% of them were idiots (See Minor v. Happersett (1874).

    Our Constitution is the most perfect vehicle of governance ever created— yet I have never read ANY article here about government’s non adherence to it. OWS wants some kind of guarentee from government. The Tea Party wants the government to leave them alone. They are not alike at all.
    The first step in restoring the rule of law, and the Constitution, is to unseat, or declare ineligible to be on the state ballots, Barack Hussein Obama, whom is not an eligible natural born Citizen, due to birth as a British subject, of a British subject father. He was muscled in by the Central Bankers to PURPOSEFULLY take away US Citizen sovereignty. THIS is the main issue, and the place to start, the dismantling of the plutocracy, yet Admin. somehow finds adherence to the Constitution as some sort of pie in the sky. It is you, a talented writer with a large audience, who could effect this realization, but you have failed. When there is no legitimate POTUS then there is NO LAW AND NO CONSTITUTION. OWS can protest all they want— there is no law regulating the banks, and other government criminals.

    What am I doing? I am exposing the criminal judiciary, filing suit within that defunct law , and making them all lie. My suit seeks to keep Obama off the ballot in Fla., due to the fact that he is not a natural born Citizen (See # 2012 CA 00467). It is amazing to observe first hand the sold out judiciary protecting the Usurper. The first Republic is dead, and Usurped. It is up to we the people to outlaw and expose the criminals in our government, and institute a new REPUBLIUC, NOT a democracy (that is if you don’t want the US to be Venezuela). What are you doing to restore the Republic?

  210. Thanks for the report! I had believed the reports from both left and right that these were a bunch of generic lefty protest habitues.

    I think this is one of the dangers of having no specific platform and no specific leaders. Yes, you don’t push away others who are largely but not completely sympathetic. But you run the risk of allowing yourselves to be portrayed however the media wishes you to be portrayed.


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