Obama wins. Say SOMETHING, goddammit!

@LLPOH

You’re probably right with that prediction. I however will add a collollary – “The Rich” will end up paying even less taxes than they pay now.

The smarter than average ones will try to get out of the US (the smart ones already have, or have it all set up so they just have to pull the ripcord as they jump). In response in the next 18 months the US govt will make it as difficult as possible, as well as putting ursurous charges and ‘fees’ for a US Citizen to give up their Citizenship — and the global taxation revenue that goes with it.

After all – that’s what it’s all about. The money and the blind obidience.

As for what counts as “The Rich”, my bet will be that it will be people that a) spend less than they earn and b) have more than around 3 months of income sitting in a bank or as a CD.

I’d also predict that the premium for pre 1967 silver coins (is that the right year? can’t remember without looking it up) goes up to 20% above silver spot price. That way you can have less than $10,000 in US Currency (or whatever limit the US Gov thinks is ‘too much’), that’s worth a shitload more in silver metal.

Something to consider when leaving the USA permanently. An exit tax. Some time in the future, if you live overseas and try to transfer money out of the USA the government will take a piece possibly 30%.

http://www.panamalaw.org/USA_exit_tax_for_expatriates.html#

Anybody who is blaming the racial composition of the US for Obama’s reelection is playing sour grapes instead of getting the point. The GOP lost because 4 million fewer people liked the GOP than the Dmocrats. Even the Democrats don’t like the Democrats. Democrats have had no other genuine identity or narrative since 1976 than “we’re not Republicans.”

The only major piece of legislation the Democrats got through on their own since 1976 was healthcare reform, and even that was butchered beyond all recognition. By themselves they butchered their own bill because the Democratic party is a rabble of limp-dicked morons who don’t know how to make a country work. But the Republicans are worse.

And that’s the real take away. More Americans hate Lazy Fare Capitalism than don’t. More Americans hate regressive taxation than don’t. More Americans more Americans think the GOP’s habit of dragging out old world social values like pro-life and anti-gay marriage is an annoying obstruction than don’t. More Americans percieve anti-immagration stances as racist than don’t.

The GOP is not that different from The Democrats, but they are so bad at where they are different that you get a party as disorganized and stupid as the Democrats winning the big chair more in the past 20 years than the Republicans. What this means is that the Republican party must either die or die to itself and become something else for a time. That reorganization inolves accepting that the GOP conventions of the past 60-80 years have been wrong, and that that in no way means the Democrats are right. It means the Democrats are still wrong and theRepublicans are just wronger.

Lazy Fare Capitalism doesn’t work and it’ll never fly. It’s why libertarians will never be a major player party. There will always need to be some social programs, but the terms therein are arguable. For instance, a welfare program that requires work in the form of public or community service might be popular.

Nobody wants moral values thrust on them. So quit it. Drop the Christian right, because for every vote you gain you lose 1.05 at least. Campaign against the War on Drugs, because it’s a big floppy loser. And in this arena you can keep the pro-gun platform because who cares?

People want corporate power, influence and authority reigned in. They do, however want them to keep a fair share of the money. The republicans lost sight of that. Their message was too simple. Don’t frankenstein that shit. “Corporations good, lazy poor people bad.” is not a reasonable argument. Non zero sum game might be (I don’t believe that one given our situation, but depending on how the policy plays out, I might not care about the philosophy).

This was the Republicans game to lose and they lost it because of Tea Party losers, inarticulate arguments, and policies people don’t like. About the only issue they stand on the side of the people in according to polls is gun rights. Everything else, they’re now showing to be on the wrong side of history. If you want someone else in charge you have to organize a platform that gets 50.X% of the vote where X is > 0. If you can’t organize a platform that can accomplish that, guess what? You lose elections. Sour grapes is a really poor take away for an election, becase you just got told by The People what they want.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50865

Third World Corruption and the 2012 Election

– Selwyn Duke (Bio and Archives) Tuesday, November 6, 2012

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One characteristic of Third World nations is corruption woven into the system. When I was in India many years ago, for instance, I learned you had to offer bribes to get anything done, even just to obtain a driver’s license. It was pay to play.

There has been much focus on whether Barack Obama is a natural-born American, but often lost in this debate is a very significant fact: whatever the president is in letter, he is no American in spirit. His governing philosophy is not American; he is not patriotic. And, to the point here, he has introduced a level of corruption to government more suggestive of where he spent his formative years, Indonesia; or that other Third World place, in which he cut his political teeth, Chicago.

Those outside the Mainstream Media Matrix hear the stories. There was Solyndra, where half a billion taxpayer dollars went down a rat hole to Obama cronies; the rape of the GM bondholders; Fast and Furious, in which our government gave weapons to south-of-the-border cartels, which then used them to murder Americans and hundreds of Mexicans; the refusal to implement aspects of immigration law that the president doesn’t like; the support of Wisconsin union brownshirts; and Benghazi-gate, just to name a few. And, in keeping with the president’s immigration shell game, there is the overall flouting of the rule of law, which the voters, through gross electoral malpractice four years ago, traded for the rule of a lawyer named Obama.

A most ominous aspect of this is the president’s power to grant ObamaCare waivers to whomever he pleases. Why does this matter? Well, as Thomas Sowell explained just today:

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution provides for “equal protection of the laws” for all Americans. To have a law that can cost an organization millions of dollars a year either apply or not apply, depending on the whim or political interest of the President of the United States, is to make a mockery of the rule of law.

How secure is any freedom when there is this kind of arbitrary power in the hands of one man?

What does your right of freedom of speech mean if saying something that irritates the Obama administration means that you or your business has to pay huge amounts of money and get hit with all sorts of red tape under ObamaCare that your competitor is exempted from, because your competitor either kept quiet or praised the Obama administration or donated to its reelection campaign?

This is Third World governance. It’s reminiscent of what happens in places such as Argentina, where businesses that toe the ruling-party line get rewarded, while those that don’t get punished and perhaps, even, nationalized.

It is also how you consolidate power. After all, corporate backing is invaluable for political candidates. But how many businesses will support the opposition if they know it means the hobbling, and maybe even destruction of, their business? This government control over business also is, we should note, a distinguishing feature of fascism, as espoused by Benito Mussolini and its other founding fathers.

This brings us to what’s at stake this election. If we want more evil behavior, all we need do is reward it through toleration. And there is such a thing as the point of no return. Once corruption is woven into your civilization, it can be as inextricable as a virus in the human nervous system. It becomes status quo, and then you can’t play at all if you don’t pay; then even “good” people accept it as just a fact of life.

Barack Obama has gotten away with murder, figuratively and literally, thus far. The media has enabled this, through their sins of omission and commission: through their failure to expose the president’s malfeasance and their manufacture of faux dirt on his opponents (e.g., the Bain game). And if the voters re-elect Obama — despite in-your-face scandals, a listing economy, and fraying foreign policy — the president will get a clear message.

“I can get away with anything.”

He will be like a child who crashed his unearned Nissan and maxed-out daddy’s credit card — and then is rewarded with a Porsche and credit-line extension.

This election will tell us if the American people are wearing a collective “Kick me” sign. If so, we are damning our posterity to a kick in the bottom and a jackboot on the neck, without measure and without end.

Oh, Kepi, where can I even begin with you. Will you please tell your age? I’m envisioning you as a Millennial in his early 20s. This mental image makes me want to be nice and explain things to you.

Here is where you are right: the Republicans are sucking worse. The obsession with Moral
Majority Christian Terrorists as the center of the party is losing them votes, absolutely.

Now we shall move on to all of the things that were wrong or naive in your post.
1. Libertarianism will never work because people hate Laissez Faire capitalism. Do people really hate capitalism in this country? Or do they just hate the current state of corporatism and cronyism? Do people really want Communist or Socialist economics? I don’t think so. In terms of economics – Libertarians are the only ones calling to END corporate welfare. Stop the Federal subsidies, bailouts, corporation-government collusion, etc.

2. Then you go off on how the GOP is failing because people hate ‘old-world’ values such as pro-life and anti-gay marriage. How does this fit with #1 that libertarianism will never work? Libertarianism merges truly conservative economic principles with moral openness on issues such as sex, drugs, and rock n roll. Do people really want more Federal Regulation? Federal Departments? Federal Employees? If people truly want the Fed to swoop in and FORCE a moral agenda of Gays-in-Wedlock, then the 2 sides will have to bicker away. How is the DEA working out, and the pronouncement that drugs are bad? The Feds made a moral pronouncement on the issue of abortion and did that end the bickering? Why not let local and state governments have more control? A lot of our divisions are regional. Why cant Liberal Progressives on the cursed coasts have more liberal policies, and why can’t the Evangelical conservatives in the bible belt have their more conservative policies? If we make the Federal Government smaller and stop asking it to force nationwide moral pronouncements, more people will be happier in more places. Libertarianism wants governments on the state and local level to have more choice. Period.

3. You propose a welfare program where people work for the government? Honey – we have that, they are called Federal Employee Unions and they are bankrupting us. The Federal Government is NOT a source of jobs or income! It is a source of police force and taxation! This is why we were supposed to have public SERVANTS. Somewhere we’ve gotten confused and now think there is such as thing as a Government Employee…. As if the Government produces goods and services like a normal capitalist for-profit business. Governments are a necessary evil – a way to beat, punish and imprison ‘bad’ citizens and to wage war against other countries. Governments produce those 2 things, and charge us taxes in return. As Ronald Reagan said “when government expands, liberty contracts”.

4. You are talking about the success of Democrats over the ‘last 20 years’ of presidential elections…. So, you can remember life way far back into the mists of time to…. Clinton’s reelection in 1996. You may not be old enough to remember Reagan, but as he put it “I think the best possible social program is a job.”. In relation to #3, if you are going to have work-for-welfare, then all you are doing is creating more Federal Employees. And where does government get the money to pay its employees? Taxes and Deficits.

In summation, I believe you’ve been blinded by the fundamentally false idea that Government Solves Problems. It doesn’t! Individuals solve problems. Neighborhoods, towns and counties solve problems. The Federal Government is: police action, war, taxes. Your hopes of good government are misplaced, but cute. Try rethinking it.