Obama wins. Say SOMETHING, goddammit!


Posted on 7th November 2012 by Stucky in Economy

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I actually went to bed at 9PM last night. Didn’t want to deal with the blow-by-blow bullshit. So, I just found out a few moments ago that Obama won a 2nd term. Un-fucking-believable.

Was surprised to not see any new topics about the win. Maybe everybody is too depressed to post. Maybe no one truly gives a shit … but I kinda find that hard to believe.

Anyway ……. let’s GO!! Say something, goddammit. So, ….

1) This vote was as much about WE THE PEOPLE as it was about the Presidency. WE, the people, voted for failure and more free shit. The values of the original republic are officially dead.

2) Exit polls show that the majority of Obama voters STILL blame George Bush for their economic malaise. Stupid stupid motherfuckers.

3) Romney won the real estate. Obama won the cities. Thank you, Negroes, for giving us four more years of your Free Shit Messiah.

4) Start PREPPING!!! Make sure you buy guns and bullets first.

5) We’re fucked six ways to Sunday. The next four years …. I am afraid.

  1. Administrator says:


    You pricks in NJ cost Romney the election. We’re a photo op nation. This photo won Obama a 2nd term.


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    7th November 2012 at 8:48 am

  2. No longer Uncle Sam's bitch says:

    My mini 30 is loaded and I’m ready to go, We need to wake up and take our country back.

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    7th November 2012 at 8:56 am

  3. Stan says:

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    7th November 2012 at 9:04 am

  4. card802 says:

    Fuck Stuck, what else is there to say? Obama was a virtual tie as far as the popular vote, but we know the people don’t vote in the president.

    Yes we are fucked, most of us knew this, but when you are standing there looking at the headlights of reality you are a bit frozen. You are correct again, as usual, keep prepping, keep your mouth shut to others about what you are doing, let the zombies come. Goddamn goddamn goddamn, this is really happening.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:05 am

  5. AWD says:

    I’m too stunned to do much. Just woke up to a bad moon rising. If that incompetent imbecile can be president, AGAIN, after all the shit he pulled the last four years, we are truly beyond hope. The 47%, plus the union government employees put him over the top. Still, I can’t believe it. The sooner we collapse the better. Another $4-6 trillion on the debt. All hope is gone that we might save ourselves.

    It’s like that feeling you get, when you’re fighting cancer (not that I’ve fought cancer), the grief and anger, and then one day, you finally accept. Now I/we have to accept that we really are doomed. The FSA rewarded Obama for the free shit, free phones, housing, welfare, disability, and he’ll be handing out more free shit than ever before.

    Obamacare will not be repealed. We are doomed. The people that actually have jobs, work, and pay taxes are shitting themselves right now. Taxes, government drone pensions and salaries are going up, up, up. If you thought we had socialism before, just wait. Unrestrained Obama will reshape this country into a socialist/communist dream-state, a nightmare for people who work and try to make a living. Don’t think he can fuck it up any worse than it is now? Guess again. The show is just getting started. Holy shit, God, please protect us.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:09 am

  6. No longer Uncle Sam's bitch says:

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    7th November 2012 at 9:09 am

  7. Stucky says:


    I gave you a thumbs up because I do THINK you are being sarcastic. Right??

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    7th November 2012 at 9:20 am

  8. Stan says:

    It’s ok man. It will be ok.


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    7th November 2012 at 9:20 am

  9. Easyliving2112 says:

    Who is John Galt?

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    7th November 2012 at 9:22 am

  10. Stucky says:

    OK, so I’m reading all these articles and blogs on why Romney lost / Obama won. Endless fucking analysis and naval gazing. Lemme sum it up for yeew …

    90% plus —– Blacks voted for Obama

    75% ———– Hispanics voted for Obama

    60% ———– Millennials voted for Obama

    47% ———– Americans who get Free Shit voted for Obama (which includes a shitload of Crackas)

    That is ALL there is to it. No further need to read, think, analyze, or pontificate.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:27 am

  11. Yojimbo says:

    No longer Uncle Sam’s Bitch -

    Just curious. On what other websites do you show up and preach violence?

    Where else do you post?

    How did you find this one?

    Why did you choose to post now?

    I think you are a Government Troll.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:34 am

  12. Eddie says:

    I think it’s a very dangerous time right now for the President. I didn’t vote for him, and I don’t like much about him, but I don’t wish him personal harm…and I don’t think it would be good for the country if harm came to him.

    There are bound to be some nutjobs coming out of the woodwork. I just hope the secret service guys do their job.

    And I hope there’s no race violence..or any other kind of violence. That would make the situation worse. Way worse.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:34 am

  13. Stucky says:

    Fuckeme. I’m looking at it all wrong! I feel better now …..

    “NEW YORK — President Barack Obama did not just win reelection tonight. His victory signaled the irreversible triumph of a new, 21st-century America: multiracial, multi-ethnic, global in outlook and moving beyond centuries of racial, sexual, marital and religious tradition.

    The Republican Party, by contrast, has been reduced to a rump parliament of Caucasian traditionalism: white, married, church-going — to oversimplify only slightly.”

    If you haven’t puked yet, but want to, then you can read the rest here;


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    7th November 2012 at 9:35 am

  14. youcanthavemyglock says:

    if you have a serviceable firearm you should be buying ammo not guns, they will never ban guns but the government will try to skyrocket the prices on ammo through taxes and other tricks, buy ammo now, it will be the lowest price you will pay in your lifetime

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    7th November 2012 at 9:39 am

  15. sensetti says:

    To Flash,

    Our forefathers had it right succession is really the only solution; the differences between the entitlement mentality and the independent self made individual are giant chasm that no bridge built by human hands can span.


    I cannot understand this woman’s point of view, I cannot align myself with her political beliefs, we have absolutely nothing in common, she is a foreigner to me as much as someone who lives on the other side of the world and speaks a different language. I am also sure she would feel the same way towards me.

    There’s no common ground for us to stand under the same flag and I am good with that.


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    7th November 2012 at 9:39 am

  16. Stan says:


    Confucius say, He who cannot beat them must join them!

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    7th November 2012 at 9:45 am

  17. TeresaE says:

    I can’t believe there are 17 comments and nobody hit this. You all must be shell-shocked.

    “Something goddammit”

    Happy now?

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    7th November 2012 at 9:55 am

  18. Stucky says:

    Advocating violence on this web site is NOT a good idea. Big Brother is EVERYWHERE, and we don’t need to have TBP shut down.

    That being said, every one of you knows that a violent end to all this shit is very much in the cards. Otherwise, why do so many of you have guns?

    From the Constitution ………….

    “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,…”

    Does that allow for violence, or not?

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    7th November 2012 at 9:55 am

  19. Yojimbo says:

    My prediction about an assassination of President Obama by the Oligarchy still stands until Inauguration Day. It would be a perfect way to introduce civil unrest, and then martial law.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:58 am

  20. Stucky says:

    “These guys are not even in charge of the farts coming from their rectums.”
    ——– Hanif Kureishi (British playwright)
    “Promise everything to everybody. Except in the most extreme cases, candidates should say whatever the particular crowd of the day wants to hear. Tell traditionalists you have consistently supported conservative values. Tell progressives you have always been on their side. After the election you can explain to everyone that you would love to help them, but unfortunately circumstances beyond your control have intervened…”
    ——– Quintus Tullius Cicero

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    7th November 2012 at 9:59 am

  21. TeresaE says:

    Now that I’ve gotten the smartass out, all I can say is, “no shit.”

    1. If I believe that elections are corrupted – which I do, the powers that be needed Obama in office because of his uncanny ability to feed the masses shit yet convince them it tastes good. The Republicans have NEVER had it so good. Think of the 24/7 critical coverage of Bushie, while O has followed his plans, increased them, the press went dark and the liberal rabblerousers (Cindy Sheehan, War is good under a Dem, evil under a Rep) went home.

    2. The seniors, Jews, unions, welfare moms, college students, cops, teachers, city planners, city inspectors, green energy, tax abated, financial, etc, were NEVER going to vote to change the status quo. O has been the KING of kicking the can, and printing $$$$, to benefit the status quo.

    We weren’t even given (or didn’t choose, depending on your belief in the system) a freaking choice. Mittens and McCain were RINOs at best.

    I’m sad, but I would’ve been sad if Romney won too.

    As long as we the people adhere to the spectacle and refuse to look beyond our “choice” to the truth (the PTB decided for us), ain’t nothing fixing us.

    I am truly at a loss as to how we can plan and go forward. What the hell do I tell my kids to strive for? Is there anything truly left to strive for? Job at the politburo or DHS?

    Just WTF America, WTF?

    Oh, and gov troll, enjoy your paycheck. How do you people sleep knowing that your entire existence is a mockery of the very basic laws that made our country the greatest on earth? Oh, that’s right, you don’t care, you believe your inept bosses, their inept bosses and their corrupted by elite bosses, are doing the right thing while breaking the simplest of freedoms down. Enjoy.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:06 am

  22. Chatham Police says:

    Good advice Stuck.

    We know about your gas station incident. Inciting violence during a state emergency is punishable by drone extermination.

    We’re watching.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:07 am

  23. Stucky says:

    The article below states that America is fucked as long as the two-party —- err, one party — system stays in place.

    He discusses the Articles of Confederation. He also talks about the Swiss model — initiative and referendum — an idea someone here mentioned a while ago …. which I initially thought would never work, but I am at a loss now so, why the fuck not try it?

    Unless the system changes, we will be just as fucked in 2016 (the most important election ever!! lol) regardless who the candidates are.


    Obama Wins A Second Term: Now What?

    November 07, 2012 – by Ron Holland

    I’m certainly glad the election is finally over. While I have loved politics my entire life, this presidential election has gone on for over three years, including the GOP primaries, and I’ve had my fill of meaningless slogans and counter-slogans, lies and counter-lies. I had to quit watching political news the last few weeks, as I thought I would become physically sick if I watched any more establishment political “experts” give their required opinions and propaganda bites.

    The 2012 presidential election has been like a ballgame hyped and built up over three years. We are programed to cheer and act out our sheep-like roles in partisan politics when, like the game, unless we have money bet on the outcome the actual winner will have absolutely no impact on our lives.

    This was destined to be a close, statistically tied election, as get out the vote efforts included repetitive harping on its life-changing importance and the evils of the opposition candidates and party. The bottom line is that voting percentages generate credibility for the failed American political system.

    “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties.” George Wallace, 1966 Alabama governor and presidential candidate.

    Note it now takes 71 cents to equal the purchasing power of a dime in 1966 – if you believe the false inflation statistics out of Washington. Actually, I could buy a soft drink for a dime in 1966 whereas today it is closer to $1.50. Check house prices even with the pullback or college tuition if you want an accurate inflation estimate.

    It is reasonable to expect from Obama’s second term more of the same as the first four years. The two main US political parties promote nearly identical policies; nothing will change from earlier Bush and Clinton administration policies. Of course, there will be a burst of optimism from Democrats and the usual rallying cries for everybody to come together to meet the challenges of the moment. This is just the usual garbage fed to the voting public after every presidential election.

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but both presidents and the representatives we reelect to Congress only represent the powerful banking and economic interests that control the federal government and use it to further their power elite agenda. Real, productive citizens can only look to their government representatives to solve minor bureaucratic issues on lost checks, eligibility for this program or that or to listen only to their complaints and agenda.

    In reality, the Senate and House of Representatives by necessity – except in the case of those few with actual philosophical convictions on the right or the left – only represent and govern based on the financial handouts and doors opened by powerful interests. This is the only way they can be reelected.

    Why Romney Lost

    Romney lost for two main reasons: First, as he correctly noted during the campaign, 47 percent of American families are dependent on government handouts and they voted for what was in their own best interests. Democracy is mob rule and the 47 percent, although with the best of intentions, are still only a mob out to get what they can from others who have earned or produced the wealth in the private sector.

    “There are 47 percent who are with [Obama], who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.” – Mitt Romney

    Still, there is a positive outcome with this depressing statistic. First, many government employees and those on the dole understand the problems of bureaucracy far better than Americans in the private sector because they are caught in the government trap themselves. They often have the courage to even vote against their best interests because they see what it has done to them personally.

    Every TSA agent and government employee in non-essential services outside of the armed forces, real police and fire protection and real teachers – not the hundreds of thousands of unionized, make-work employees who use the system – are simply parasites.

    Second, the GOP leadership antagonized the 10 percent of the Republican Party electorate who supported Ron Paul for President. Of course, the establishment is still deathly scared of the Ron Paul movement and their harsh treatment and the subsequent blowback on November 6 guarantees any discussion here will be verboten and seldom mentioned for obvious reasons. While some voted for Romney, a few – as the returns show – voted third-party and many like me just sat home on election day disgusted at the entire political charade. Romney lost because he needed a majority of this 10 percent to win yet those controlling his campaign simply threw this voting block away because it threatened powerful central banking, neocon and moneyed interests supporting the GOP.

    While Romney would have made a better president than Obama in at least his rhetoric, as he pays lip service to conservative Republican values, in reality his neocon controllers would probably have made him a disaster in foreign policy.

    And so over the next four years the people will be provoked and buy more guns they will never have the courage to use to defend themselves against an all-powerful government. The GOP will raise more money using faux social issues and an agenda they never really have any interest in standing up for. Obama will be painted as an evil, Muslim-born in God-knows-where socialist when in actuality he has no more power than Romney would have had to restore the America we loved and respected.

    The game will go on until the time is up for our nation. In the meantime, austerity measures will dramatically increase, benefits and promises will be lost by the poor and remaining middle class citizens who really need them and taxes will rise, as will the risk of gold and wealth confiscation. Obama will be blamed, just as Romney would have been blamed had he been elected president, for this is how our regulatory/debt democracy works today in the 21st century. A failed system of central bank control leading a failed economy, a failing currency and a controlled system totally divorced from control or limitation by the citizens of America.

    The Solution is to Change the Political Structure

    The solution is a return to a limited, decentralized confederation form of government like our first legitimate American government, the Articles of Confederation. One that is responsible to the people and ultimately controlled by the voters with the iron-clad political tools of initiative and referendum like exists in Switzerland today, where voters have the right to reject legislation and laws or enact laws outside the power of controlled legislative, judiciary and executive branches of government. Until we return to the Articles of Confederation, America and our liberties are doomed to extinction by the hidden control of international banking and economic elites.

    After the election you can expect appeals from “so-called” conservatives or libertarians wanting your hard-earned money to support this or that cause. They will claim time is running out, the next election is the most important in your lifetime, etc. Time is not running out; it ran out long ago, and voting for either party or most candidates is just an exercise in futility supporting the corrupt system that rules over you. We are serfs and mere subjects to a system and few understand or even recognize the control over us.

    If you want to be a free people again educate yourself on the Swiss system of government and work for a return to the government for which our patriot founding fathers risked their lives and property, the Articles of Confederation. Supporting anything less is just deceiving ourselves and screwing our posterity. We may deserve the kind of government we have allowed to take over our country but our posterity deserve better.

    The GOP Ron Paul for President campaigns in 2008 and 2012 clearly showed how the controlled, two-party system in the United States will allow no real opposition to its approved candidates in either party. You can bet your worthless vote that new Republican Party rules at the 2012 GOP convention and at the state level in the future will control any viable opposition candidates. The only current outlets for alternative political action are in doomed-to-fail third-party activities that are little more than allowed but controlled political opposition.

    To restore the original American Republic, we must change the controlled monopoly political system of government that controls and destroys internally or externally all opposition. New candidates or even attempts at party control accomplish little when the same powerful interests control the political structure. We must work to remove the system in place and restore the limited government of our founding fathers, for they had devised a system that would work well today with our ease of transportation and communication.

    Remember, our children and grandchildren deserve a better, more prosperous world and nation than we have left them at this point. It is time we as a generation man up for liberty to redeem ourselves in the tear-filled eyes of future generations. The American people must work peacefully to restore the Articles of Confederation now or else suffer the permanent consequences of the fall of America.


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    7th November 2012 at 10:08 am

  24. AWD says:

    No longer Uncle Sam’s bitch (government troll)

    I can imagine, now that Obama has once again been handed the keys to the Kingdom, that the surveillance and crushing of dissent will begin in earnest. I think we can expect small traps, like this idiot, and then full-on provocation, after which TBP will be shut down. I can’t imagine Emperor Obama will have any remorse in fully utilizing NDAA and all the other laws and edicts he put into place the last term. Hell, he’s been vindicated and supported in these efforts.

    So, it’s back to socialism as usual. I don’t care much anymore, I’m going to enjoy the last few days at sea and my vacation. People are going to get what they voted for. The Republicans are a joke, worse than a joke, and they’ll get what they deserve. Romney was a shame, barely electable, matched against an incompetent, golf-playing rube who he still couldn’t beat. The power-brokers are at a loss. Romney still has $400 million, poor guy. Will probably vacation for a year.

    We are going to see taxes, the likes of which have never been seen before. Obamacare will see to that, plus every other scheme the democrats can come up with. The bumbling idiot Obama is really going to make a permanent mess of things, tens of thousands more businesses going bankrupt, millions more people unemployed, more and more government control, regulation, and spending.

    Well, it’s about 85 degrees outside on my veranda, overlooking the Caribbean sea. A light breeze, a few clouds in the sky. No worries, mate. A great book to read, a fine cigar, excellent coffee and chow, and all is well, at least for now. It’s going to be fun to ream Obama’s ass for another four years. I can’t begin to imagine all the things he’s going to fuck up, and how badly, but I’m very confident it will be many, just about everything.

    This is a new low point for our country, but I’m sure it will go much lower. Just looking at the people on this ship proves that. Our population is depraved consumers, overconsumers. There will be a price to be paid some day, but not now. Have a great day, I will try; to shrug off the miserable news of Obama, and all that will come in the next four years. $20 trillion in debt. Will it get that high? or do we collapse first? So many questions. Ah, maybe later, seize and enjoy the day!

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    7th November 2012 at 10:10 am

  25. GovtRunAmuck says:

    Obama’s winning strategy was (1) to buy as many votes as possible and (2) claim the economy is slowly improving. This was accepted by enough of the public to win the election.

    The massive federal deficit spending has slowed the economic slide we are in, but when real market forces(if they even exist anymore) overwhelm government efforts, look out below.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:12 am

  26. Stigmation says:

    Fuck all that. Where was the other choice. A dude who has magic underpants? Romney? Give me a fucking break. Obama won because the powers that be gave us a douchebags to vote for. The same reason he got to be president in the first place. He beat two unbelievable jerk offs in McCain then Romney.

    Both Republican candidates offered zero inspiration, zero change, they both made Bob Dole look dynamic. The system is rigged, so sit back, get some popcorn and watch the decline of the empire.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:15 am

  27. majormocambo says:

    Its not that I wanted Obama to win, its that I didn’t want Romney to win. So at least I have something to be happy about. We are still screwed, which was the case no matter who won. Oh happy day …

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    7th November 2012 at 10:16 am

  28. Stucky says:


    Your addiction to TBP …. posting while on a fucking cruise ship!!!! …. actually exceeds my own use of precious generator-gas to post. Well done, good and faithful servant!!

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    7th November 2012 at 10:19 am

  29. Gayle says:

    I’ve been trying lately to wrap my mind around the imminent collapse of Western Civ. Mr. Fineman helps us understand that its quaint notions (you know, Ike marriage and church), are relics to be discarded for the glorious new multicutural, multiracial world that awaits. What better evidence could there be than observing a disparate group of people plan a Springsteen concert! Woo woo!

    Little did I know that Barack Obama is the promised Messiah who will unite all the tribes in peace and prosperity. Here I’ve had it wrong all these years (ignorance borne from lifetime exposure to church no doubt). I thought the Messiah was that other guy. Ah well, I will await while Obama charms us into complete catastrophe. Better hunker down.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:21 am

  30. AKAnon says:

    I was stunned when Slick Willie was first elected, and in total denial for 2 years after he was re-elected. This time, not so much. 2 days ago most of us agreed it did not matter which of the two clowns won the election. I still think it matters little.

    Personally, I would have preferred Romney in the short run (I think). In the big picture, I think the presidency is like a hot potato, whoever ends up holding it when the shit hits the fan will wish they weren’t “it”. Unless they take us into a V/The Wall-like totalitarian state. Now there’s a cheery thought.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:21 am

  31. OUTTAHERE says:

    Violence is not going to have to be advocated here or anywhere else; it’s coming regardless. Whether it comes from economic collapse, excessive taxation, excessive govt. intrusion, stomping on of civil and constitutional rights, institution of a police state either implied or unimplied — violence is coming.
    And the sooner the better. Like cancer, the sooner it’s cut out and removed the better the chances of treatment and survival for the patient.
    If Romney would have won, nothing much would have changed except he MIGHT have slowed down the march to socialism/communism. I don’t think that he would have put liberal/progressive.socialist judges on the Supreme Court, but who in the hell knows. Anyway, it is what it is and we had best prepare as best possible. That includes the mental adjustment for many that we’ve just been taken And let’s not overlook the fact tha Congress has been complicit in all of this. If we’re headed down this path it’s because that’s the way THEY want it.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:23 am

  32. Stucky says:


    Excellent thoughts.

    Here is my bottom bottom-line on this; if Obama’s reelection doesn’t convince a person to PREPARE …. then nothing will.

    And, I do pity those poor fools who don’t prep. They will be like my next-door neighbor (three kids under the age of 10) who begged me if it was OK to run just one extension cord to their house for the fridge ….. which I did, but I can’t guarantee I’ll do so when TSHTF, cuz it may very well come down to ‘every man for themselves’.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:29 am

  33. Dan says:

    Well, we were fucked either way….The difference is we will continue to be fucked with shards of glass instead of sand.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:29 am

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    7th November 2012 at 10:36 am

  35. Pirate Jo says:

    Stucky, you must still have been clinging to some hope. Not me. Hope is a barrier to acceptance.

    I’m not upset about Obama’s re-election because I no longer think it matters. We’re screwed, and that’s been baked into the cake for several decades. Acknowledging and accepting this doesn’t mean I like the situation – I’m just being truthful and realistic to recognize that there isn’t much I can do about it.

    I don’t know what’s going to happen next – probably nothing dramatic, just a long, drawn-out decline. Someday that may change but not while I’m still alive. But oh well, in the grand scheme of things I still have First World problems compared to most of humanity.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:44 am

  36. Dan says:

    I did not vote for either candidate, but I did vote. However, one thing is for sure; that is the last presidential election I take part in under the current format. Whether it’s the D or R’s leading it does not matter, the entire fucking race and it’s winner comes down to a few wishy-washy geriatric bunko playing dumbshit mother fuckers in Florida and Ohio and brainwashed asshole 18 to 20 somethings who use the word “like” a minimum of 3 times per sentence and draw inspiration from snooki and the kardashians…….

    The republican party is doomed and will continue hemorrhaging voters until they stop nominating half retarded geriatric war hero’s or abundantly wealthy silver spoon mother fuckers with a charming smile that run on the same platform as the opposition.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:47 am

  37. Ron says:

    My guns are to defend my family from criminals and people who dont have any food and want mine.
    I really dont have that much,but i have figured out that most people i meet have almost no extra food in theyre homes.I never did see myself fighting soldiers in any way.If anything i picture them protecting our rights.
    I like pump shotguns,i feel very well armed with my 870 in my hands.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:50 am

  38. Stucky says:

    Jeebus Effin Krist. I just now saw Romney’s concession speech. OMG. I got just one word to say ’bout that.

    Figure it out.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:51 am

  39. Dorkus Maximus says:

    We were 100% fucked by Nov. 5th, 2012, we’re still 100% fucked on Nov. 7th.

    The difference now is clarity. The people who voted Obama in 2008 could maybe be forgiven because the media sold them a false “bill of goods.” 2012 Obama voters knew what they were voting for and they want socialism. We now know with certainty that the republic is dead – not because of Obama, but because a populace that would elect a blatant Marxist is depraved and beyond redemption.

    The two burning questions now are (1) what kind of abomination will replace the republic and (2) when does the stuff start hitting the fan.

    My guess is that trouble really begins when Obamacare starts crushing our phoney-baloney economy. I think that could happen as soon as Jan. 2013, but I’m always way too early with these projections. Depends on how long money printing continues to work (it can’t work forever). The tipping point is the same – when the rest of the world decides it no longer wants any more of our phoney-baloney dollars.

    What replaces the republic is true fascism (the combination of the public and private sectors – not nazism) and the emergence of a new aristocracy.

    The decision we all face: fight the inevitable or join them.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:52 am

  40. Persnickety says:


    Your pick of whether they die from health care rationing, EBT failure, riots, drone strikes, or getting trampled to death by the remainder of the FSA when someone yells “free food!” in a crowded campaign rally.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:52 am

  41. Dan says:

    2016 prediction: A son of Romney or another Bush will lose to Hillary Clinton who will announce she is a lesbian in 2015. Bonus prediction: Broward county in Florida will still suck ass.

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    7th November 2012 at 11:08 am

  42. Kill Bill says:

    Im still trying to figure out how bailing out the FIRE sector thru tens of trillions of loans, here and abroad, buying up toxic assets and now 40 billion a month for more MBS. How is subsidizing energy and agriculture and Walmart

    Maybe it is for the 10%. But its not spreading the wealth it places it in fewer and fewer hand. More like Privatism.

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    7th November 2012 at 11:18 am

  43. Kill Bill says:

    *s/b: How is subsidizing energy and agriculture and Walmart is socialism?

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    7th November 2012 at 11:19 am

  44. Dorkus Maximus says:

    Subsidizing energy, agriculture and Walmart (though I fail to see how we are subsidizing Walmart – please explain) is technically fascism, not socialism.

    Fascism and socialism are both marxist cancers and are both HOV lanes on the road to serfdom.

    Our socialism is Obamacare, Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, social security, SSI/SSDI, AIDC, earned income credit, free cell phones, 50% of population paying no taxes, “urban” programs up the wazoo – and on and on and on and on.

    It’s all enforced at the barrel of a gun. Try not paying your taxes if you doubt it.

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    7th November 2012 at 11:46 am

  45. moto says:

    Dan – Hilary will marry Tammy Baldwin in the White House.

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    7th November 2012 at 12:13 pm

  46. Roscoe aka working man says:

    Im trying to find a way or something to like And or trust him .i would like to hAve a reson like the people who votted him in again and i know it not because hes black ,so help me see the same things that You do .i got laid off off and i cant get the goverment help so that do i do to like him the way every one else that does

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    7th November 2012 at 12:15 pm

  47. Dan says:

    My advice for the republican party is to drum up an ancient actor who’s face has more wrinkles than Clintons ball sack (u be the judge of which Clinton I mean) and put him on stage to interview an empty chair……oh crap, they tried that, well I’m at a loss then.

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    7th November 2012 at 12:19 pm

  48. Stucky says:

    Hillary and her Wrinkled Vagina

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    7th November 2012 at 12:38 pm

  49. ThePessimisticChemist says:

    Mostly I’m planning…..and thinking.

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    7th November 2012 at 12:38 pm

  50. Stucky says:


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    7th November 2012 at 12:39 pm

  51. Roscoe aka working man says:

    In or b4 4 more year under Obama aka terrores best keep secret .. méxico will be trying to keep amaric ans out !!!!! 4 MORE YEARS THERE WILL BE MORE WORK AND JOBS IN ELSALVADOR THAN HERE IN THE USA BUT HEY O WELL I DIDNT VOTE 4 HIM !!!!! I VOTED FOR COAL,OIL ,AND AMERICAN ENERGY INDAPENDEN

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    7th November 2012 at 12:49 pm

  52. Stucky says:

    Fred, as usual, tells it like it is.

    I epecially liked; ———- “The genius of the American political system is that it is not necessary to suppress inconvenient information, but only to keep it off television”


    A Surrender of Sorts– Relaxing in the Handbaket

    November 2, 2012

    We are doomed, saith the preacher, and should accommodate ourselves to it. In times of growing governmental power, protestation at some point becomes futile. Little is served by standing in front of a charging Mongol army and shouting, “No! You should reconsider! Perhaps some other course would be advisable. Let’s parley….”

    Complaint is useless. It is too late. It booteth not. We are done. The Mongols ride. America comes apart at the seams. The country turns into something altogether new, new for America.

    In high school, I read Shirer, first Berlin Diary and then The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I had little idea what I was reading. A naval base in rural Virginia is not a hotbed of historical understanding, or any understanding. I knew nothing of Weimar or the Spartacists or the Treaty of Versailles. Still, I dimly grasped that a theretofore civilized country with great rapidity turned into something horrible. It was not an evolutionary change, like the Industrial Revolution. Brahms to Goebbels in a decade.

    Something alike happens in America, and one wonders—I wonder, anyway—how can this be? In little more than a decade, the Constitution has died, the economy welters in irreversible decline, we have perpetual war, all power lies in the hands of the executive, the police are supreme, and a surveillance beyond Orwell’s imaginings falls into place.

    These observations are now commonplace. It is almost boring to read of them—yet they proceed apace. Where we go, we go fast. Already against the authorities there is no recourse. Should you talk back to the police, you will spend the night in jail.

    I sometimes wonder whether there is not some malign force in play, some diabolical miasma with a sense of humor that, having brought the Soviet Union down, amuses itself by turning the United States into the same thing. Or maybe it is just that if any state that can become totalitarian, it will.

    Or maybe it was just a chance simultaneity of enabling events. Communism died in China and thus ceased to protect America from the withering competition of a populous, intelligent, and industrious race. The internet and easy transportation allowed American companies to abandon ship and head for cheaper climes. They did. Huge countries unexpectedly began a meteoric rise (if meteors rise), chiefly the BRICs. Big once-American corporations became free-floating transnational beings, loyal only to themselves. Open an apparently American laptop and you find that the screen and memory come from Korea, the hard drive from Malaya, the CPU from an Intel fab in Ireland, the whole thing assembled in Taiwan. America cannot stanch the bleeding. Corporations rule the country, and go whither they will.

    Have you ever thrown a stick for a dog, which loves to chase it but, when he comes back with it, cannot bring himself to give it to you to throw again, although that is what he wants? The United States cannot let go of its empire. It fights war after war, constantly losing, bleeding money it doesn’t have, because—because it can’t let go. The military itself, an upgraded WWII force, badly unsuited to modern war, cannot let go of its glorious carriers and obsolescent combat aircraft. Governments too can suffer from arteriosclerosis.

    And now the Pentagon growls fiercely at China, like an aging terrier at a Rottweiler pup. The world changes. Minds do not. Some minds do not.

    Domestically, the storm likewise approaches. Desperation encourages desperate measures, a hard line, and invites the notorious Man on a Horse.

    Economically, the country has trapped itself. It is bankrupt in all but admission, but it cannot spend more prudently. If it cuts welfare in the cities, riots will ensure and elections be lost. If it cuts the bloated federal bureaucracy, a form of welfare, the dismissed will add to an already dangerously high number of the unemployed. And elections will be lost.

    Cut the military? It and its parasitic industries are so large, so deeply embedded in the fabric of the country, so rife with influential people with families to feed, that reductions are not possible. The suggestion of even minor and usually fraudulent cuts is greeted by predictions of dire but unspecified consequences. Minor cuts are not what are needed.

    The dog cannot let go.

    It is said that democracy depends on an informed public. This is to say that democracy is impossible. In the American case, blank ignorance of anything outside the borders leaves people easily manipulable. The genius of the American political system is that it is not necessary to suppress inconvenient information, but only to keep it off television. So few people will encounter it as not to matter.

    Giving people the choice between Candidate A and Candidate A, neither of whom addresses the real problems of the nation, is to grant them the influence they would have had in the Habsburg Empire. But it keeps them quiet.

    It would be interesting to ask the general public: “Which of the following Arab countries is suspected of trying to develop nuclear weapons? (1) Turkey (2) Pakistan (3) Iran (4) Afghanistan (5) None of the above.”

    Nonsense is ever a firm basis for politics. The American public believes itself to be free, to have a spirit of rugged individualism, to live in a democracy admired by the world. In fact Americans are not particularly free and becoming less so by the minute, are not individualists but herd consumers formed by a controlled press, and do not live in a democracy.

    And totalitarianism comes. This is no longer the assertion of those dropped on their heads as children. Daily we read of more weaponry for the police, more surveillance authorized by courts, more unlegislated powers for Homeland Security. Currency controls fall into place to prevent people from fleeing the country with their assets.

    In this direction, I think, lies the future. It is perfectly possible to store every email sent, every purchase made except by cash, every withdrawal of cash; to institute airport-style “security” for trains and buses; to monitor any conversation by telephone; automatically to track cell phones and read license plates and store it all. We are close. We are very close.

    Protesting is pointless. No governmental mechanism prevents the headlong progress of things that would have sickened Thomas Jefferson. In the presidential debates neither Candidate A nor Candidate A has said, so far as I know, a word about the tightening watchfulness.

    The only reasonable approach is to lie down and enjoy it. Which I shall do

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    7th November 2012 at 1:01 pm

  53. PrintmemoneyI says:

    To all- I’ve read a lot of great posts on this thread.

    Regarding the election, I was and still remain physically. But, I only wanted Romney to piss off the MSNBC commentators, which is not a healthy emotion.

    I think I’m younger than a lot of you, but I will give you my memory of the 2008 election. I had just got back from a vehicle patrol and they were still serving breakfast. The CNN channel was talking about hope and change and the glorious Obama victory. I didn’t care. The money we were paying kbr was absurd, but these cafeterias are better than what we have back in CONUS. That’s an aside…what really struck me was “how could a guy with Hussein in his name win over a war hero that lived in a pow camp”

    I’m not an idiot and my Florida absentee ballot got “lost in the mail”….. But I will never vote again. I was as sick to my stomach last night as I’ve ever been. Benghazi makes me want to puke. I don’t want to get out of bed….but those who post here often know romney is no different.

    We need to be loud and proud….if one of us disapears because be loud…..

    My football team lost…..I didn’t go to work….I cry for our country


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    7th November 2012 at 1:01 pm

  54. Stucky says:

    This is Sarah Obama, step-grandmother to Barak Obama. Really. She is very happy Obama won.


    She said, —- “It is by the grace of God that Barack has made it and become the president of the United States for the second term. I rate this victory higher. It was euphoria that took him into office the first time but this one is more meaningful because it is the decision of the Americans after seeing his work,”


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    7th November 2012 at 1:18 pm

  55. Dan says:

    I must admit, she makes a helluva syrup

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    7th November 2012 at 1:27 pm

  56. Eddie says:

    Maybe they’ll give him a second Nobel…I’m sure he deserves it just as much as his first one.

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    7th November 2012 at 1:32 pm

  57. Persnickety says:

    2013: Obama wins the Nobel Drone-Assassination Prize
    2014: Obama is awarded the Nobel Emperor Prize
    2015: Obama is awarded the Nobel War Prize
    2016: Obama receives his fifth and final Nobel Prize, the Nobel Genocide Prize

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    7th November 2012 at 1:47 pm

  58. american people says:

    Romney sux but i trust that he wont bring the USA to the level of a 3 world country !!!so i pray to see good in a very weak military, bankrup land of people !! Look How hard it is to get help from sandy in 4 more years i dont see How we can servive a attack over here it will happin then R terrores countrys see How weak Obama makes us i know that sounds crazy but i think thats his plans and its right on track

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    7th November 2012 at 2:35 pm

  59. Muck About says:

    We have passed the point that was pointed out by a founding father of this country, (paraphrased) when the majority discovers that it can vote itself goodies from the public purse, the Republic will fail.

    It has just tripped over the edge and is about to fall.


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    7th November 2012 at 2:36 pm

  60. Llpoh says:

    Muck – Two years ago I said that point was passed and Obama would be re-elected. It will get far worse from here. The US will become the highest taxing nation on earth by the end of the year. The target will be the”rich”, who are seen as not paying their fair share. And the masses see that their fair share is everything someone else has.

    SSS – still want to tell me I am wrong? I have not forgot you said it, and in exacly these words – ” LLPOH is wrong”. You did not say you disagree – you said I am wrong. How smart are you feeling now?

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    7th November 2012 at 2:50 pm

  61. Boosh says:

    This true story shows how dumb people are, and basically reinforces the fact that there are now “too many govbmen emplaaees” to ever pass spending reductions -
    My buddy called me Saturday, his mom was all in a fit, telling him (paraphrasing here,) “you better not vote for Romney, do you want me to loose my job?!!” —- We live in California, not even close to contested.

    On a side note, the idiots in this state just passed all kinds of new legislation and taxes that will surely crush us even further when it drives more jobs and productive people out of the state.

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    7th November 2012 at 3:42 pm

  62. Boosh says:

    Oh, and “No longer Uncle Sam’s bitch” — LOL the mini 14 is a piece of shit — I hope a government fucktard like you looses your job when we hit the fiscal cliff and the automatic cuts come down.

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    7th November 2012 at 3:44 pm

  63. Mikey says:


    You’re probably right with that prediction. I however will add a collollary – “The Rich” will end up paying even less taxes than they pay now.

    The smarter than average ones will try to get out of the US (the smart ones already have, or have it all set up so they just have to pull the ripcord as they jump). In response in the next 18 months the US govt will make it as difficult as possible, as well as putting ursurous charges and ‘fees’ for a US Citizen to give up their Citizenship — and the global taxation revenue that goes with it.

    After all – that’s what it’s all about. The money and the blind obidience.

    As for what counts as “The Rich”, my bet will be that it will be people that a) spend less than they earn and b) have more than around 3 months of income sitting in a bank or as a CD.

    I’d also predict that the premium for pre 1967 silver coins (is that the right year? can’t remember without looking it up) goes up to 20% above silver spot price. That way you can have less than $10,000 in US Currency (or whatever limit the US Gov thinks is ‘too much’), that’s worth a shitload more in silver metal.

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    7th November 2012 at 6:04 pm

  64. SAH says:

    I just want to say FUCK YOU to the stupid Single White Bitches of America. You’ve let yourself get fat, until no self-respecting white man would marry you, you act like a bunch of uppity Feminist Nazi Bull-Dykes, or like dumb slutty whores and get interracially knocked up out-of-wedlock (by a black or Mexican since they don’t care that you’re morbidly obese, unfeminine and Butch), and then either have your interracial baby out-of-wedlock on the government teat or you have an abortion. Then, obviously, you vote Obama, because you *have to* based on how you conduct yourself. Your vote is just the inevitable conclusion to a whole string of retarded decisions and attitudes – Unmarried White Bitches of America, you’ve trashed this country and I loathe you. Women’s suffrage was a goddamn mistake, and you stupid white bitches prove it.

    I expect blacks and Latinos to vote stupid – plain enough on the IQ charts how that works… but White Bitches SHAME ON YOU. You don’t have the IQ excuse. Many of you are even college educated with valuable BAs in Vagina Monologues, Lesbian Political Science, and Disabled Ethnic Minority Studies. WTF is wrong with you?

    Fuck. Lose a little weight, and learn walk in heels and wear lipstick once in a while. Pretend to like children and learn to cook and be nice to your man once in a while. White guys aren’t that hard to please (take it from me – its pretty fucking easy) and don’t really have too many demands, but you stupid fat white bitches FAIL with even the basics. So, you stupid white bitches (who often look like fat tattooed truck drivers) end up unmarried and go on to either get PhDs in pseudo-Lesbian Oldmaid studies, or you indiscriminately make babies with the stupidest, shittiest minority guys you can find. And then you vote for and support the stupidest, shittiest politicians and policies there are. Dumb, fat, single, white bitches ruined America.

    That’s my angry post-election rant. I’m obviously exempting White ladies of TBP from blame on this, regardless of BMI or marital status.

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    7th November 2012 at 6:13 pm

  65. taxSlave says:

    I hate O-bomb-ya, but I am glad romey lost – next time show some respect to Ron Paul and his supporters, asshole.

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    7th November 2012 at 7:37 pm

  66. Eddie says:

    ” Dumb, fat, single, white bitches ruined America.”

    Harsh..but perhaps more than a grain of truth in this rant. LOL.

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    7th November 2012 at 7:52 pm

  67. chiefdarkcloud says:

    Hey – All seeing and all knowing Admin smelled a rat “No longer Uncle Sam’s bitch’ and ran that trouble making ‘government plant’ right the fuck out of Dodge !

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    7th November 2012 at 8:18 pm

  68. Micro-Be says:

    I’ll say this: my chronic depression since 2004 hasn’t been over nothing after all. Once I saw the writing on the wall (and aged enough to have a sufficient sample size to safely claim that most people are fucking stupid) my mood quickly deteriorated. Fortunately for me I went almost all in with metals in 2005. I told a lot of people about the writing on the wall but they kept buying houses and stupid shit made in China (kind of unavoidable I know but some people have way more Chinese made shit than others). What is one to do? If reality doesn’t register with 90% of the country, who would be encouraged?

    “They” win every time they convince people that the choice between Asshat 1 and Asshat 2 is the only choice. Not wasting my time with prepping. I’m single with no children, why in the world would I stay in this country?

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    7th November 2012 at 8:30 pm

  69. Mary Malone says:

    More looters than producers voted yesterday. People get the government they deserve. Good bye and good luck America.

    Time to prep in earnest. The Marxists are running down the clock.

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    7th November 2012 at 8:31 pm

  70. Eddie says:

    “why in the world would I stay in this country/”

    Because it’s YOUR country…and you have rights and responsibilities that come with the territory.

    It bugs me that so many smart capable people are leaving…because we have never needed smart, capable people more than we do now.

    The fact that the empire is in decline is irrefutable..but I’m not so sure that ex-pats are that much better off than the rest of us. Let’s face it. Rich people are gonna be okay, wherever they are, as long as the money holds out.

    Right now some not-so-rich ex-pats are reaping the benefits of the dollar as the “least worst” of the rapidly depreciating fiat currencies of the world…but that may not always be the case. It’s great to be relatively wealthy in a second world country…but if the dollar fails, you might find out what it’s like to be poor in a foreign second world country. Just sayin’

    I think it’s okay to go anywhere to live…if you are going TOWARD something…pursuing your own hopes and dreams and goals…but if you’re just trying to get AWAY from something? You might be surprised to find that you are just transferring your problems to a new geographic location..which might not turn out to be all it’s cracked up to be.

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    7th November 2012 at 8:45 pm

  71. Micro-Be says:

    It is true I was born here and instantly assigned a SSN as collateral for our debt (tax slave). It is also true that we need smart and capable people, but it is equally true that we are not valued and that the incentive is on compliance and group think. I’m part of the masses of youngins (generation y) that cannot find suitable work, what am I supposed to do?

    I think I could argue that I am moving toward something and away from something at the some time. I’m leaving behind the violence that will follow the FSA. I’m leaving behind being looked upon like a piece of shit because of my skin color. I’m leaving behind the entrenched police state.

    What am I moving toward? The chance to have a family in relative peace in a quite part of the world. You are right in what you say about running from some things and that they’ll stick with you. I’m not going to lie to you and tell you I don’t have issues that won’t be coming with me but I’m going to be dealing with that personal shit no matter my location, mine as well do it in a place where I’m not going to be considered a potential enemy of the state because I’m a veteran, or a white “libertarian”, or someone that vocally opposes the empire. My future was sold before I was born. This is Atlas Shrugging.

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    7th November 2012 at 8:59 pm

  72. llpoh says:

    Eddie says: “Because it’s YOUR country…and you have rights and responsibilities that come with the territory.”

    Fuck that. Assigning someone responsibility as a result of there place of birth is just plain wrong – it is indeed a form of enslavement – “you were born here so you owe us”. It is what a country stands for that is worth havng responsibility for, and is worth fighting for.

    To take responsibility for anything involves a choice – a person must choose to accept the responsibility for it to have any meaning. That is why it is called “take”.

    The current situation is quite probably unrecoverable, given that the majority believe differently than most on TBP, and they will not be swayed. I can blame no one for choosing to leave given the fact that the country is so far removed from what I would have hoped or wanted for it, and given the extremely remote possibility that catastrophe can be averted, no matter what attempts may be made by the enlightened such as Micro Be, and given the fact that the majority of Americans seem to want it the way it is.

    The masses are demanding that a relative few be held responsible for the success of the nation. They intend to enslave this few, and have gone a long way toward that end. Refusing to be a part of that enslavement seems to be a valid option.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:15 pm

  73. harry p. says:

    +100, Well said llpoh

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    7th November 2012 at 9:26 pm

  74. Eddie says:

    I never meant to infer that Micro-Be owes me or you or any other American anything.

    What I was getting at is this:

    I consider this to me MY country. I WAS born here, and I have a right to try to make a good life for myself and my family. Frankly, I’m not about to be run off by anybody. I will stand my ground here, and gladly die here to protect me and mine.

    I just hate to see young people feel like they have to leave because somebody sold them into slavery before they were born. I’d like to see the younger generations figure out how to make a good life here, as opposed to some foreign place. We need them here, because we need to form strong local sustainable communities that can outlive this crumbling empire.

    You are in a position that not many people have Llpoh. You have the means to live well anywhere, from what I gather. That makes you a special case. I understand that you might be far better off financially in a country where it’s easier to do business, and taxes are more reasonable. I don’t blame you for looking out for your own interests.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:32 pm

  75. Leobeer says:

    Something to consider when leaving the USA permanently. An exit tax. Some time in the future, if you live overseas and try to transfer money out of the USA the government will take a piece possibly 30%.


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    7th November 2012 at 9:37 pm

  76. Stucky says:

    I was an immigrant when my parents brought me to this country.

    I have no problem being an immigrant again … somewhere else.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:43 pm

  77. llpoh says:

    Eddie – I am saddened they are in that position, too. But really, why should a hard-working, bright person commit him/herself to a country where 1) they may well be burdened by enormous personal education debt, 2) they may face longp eriods of unemployment, 3) if they are successful in their employment, they will pay north of 40% personal federal tax, as much as 13 or more percent state tax, a SS tax of 6 or 7 percent, and then pay sales taxes on what they buy, and 40 should they choose to try to start a business, they will pay the highest corporate tax rate in the world, they will then pay all of the above mentioned taxes on what is left over after they pay the corporate taxes, and they will face almost insurmountable red tape and cost that ensures their probability of success after 5 years is under 5%?

    Why would these bright, hard-working young people not consider fleeing? Why would they willingly consider handing over the vast majority of what they earn? Why would they do that all the while knowing that their country despises them, and will revile them for their success and scream that they are not paying their fair share? Why would they not consider vacating given the the enormous generational debt being handed down to them? Why would they want to support the aggressive military stance of the US? The list of whys goes on and on.

    No, I cannot at all condemn any young person, or any person, for that matter, that may decide to leave for what they perceive to be greener pastures. The pastures of the US are poisoned and are quickly dying. It will hurt the US, as it will deprive them of their milk cows they so sorely want to chain in their stalls, and will expedite the catastrophe that is on the horizon.

    These fine young people will not change what is to come – they will be sacrificed. Anything they may do, or think they can do, to save themselves should be considered.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:55 pm

  78. Eddie says:

    I’ve also looked closely at the options out there for emigrating. The great majority of places you could go are favorable for Americans of one or two particular types.

    One type is retired people. Several places..Belize, Ecuador, Uruguay..they have special tax deals for people who bring their retirement savings INTO the country…but not for people who are planning on working a job or a career.

    The other type is people who make money from investments…who can trade stocks or Forex or options or futures online..and who can work from a computer and an internet connection.

    Working professionals or young people with the same job skills as the native population? That’s a harder market to break into. .

    I’ll admit I’m no expert….never lived abroad at all. But I don’t really think the grass is necessarily greener on the other side of the border..for most working Americans..at least not yet.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:57 pm

  79. AKAnon says:

    I cannot blame anyone for looking for greener pastures. But I also respect anyone who chooses to stand their ground. I’m planning to stay in AK for the duration, although I never say never again.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:58 pm

  80. Leobeer says:

    “I’ll admit I’m no expert….never lived abroad at all. But I don’t really think the grass is necessarily greener on the other side of the border..for most working Americans..at least not yet.” — Eddie

    At least not yet? When is the right time? Do you remember the Berlin Wall? The point Eddie is that those that can move will wait until it is too late.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:24 pm

  81. cv51 says:

    I did not vote. I did not want to be part of such a corrupt system. I wanted Romney to win for selfish reasons. I thought he could kick the can down the road farther and give me more time. Oh Well.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:48 pm

  82. Dave Doe says:

    I voted write in for Ron Paul – but I’m still depressed.

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    7th November 2012 at 11:03 pm

  83. Kepi says:

    Anybody who is blaming the racial composition of the US for Obama’s reelection is playing sour grapes instead of getting the point. The GOP lost because 4 million fewer people liked the GOP than the Dmocrats. Even the Democrats don’t like the Democrats. Democrats have had no other genuine identity or narrative since 1976 than “we’re not Republicans.”

    The only major piece of legislation the Democrats got through on their own since 1976 was healthcare reform, and even that was butchered beyond all recognition. By themselves they butchered their own bill because the Democratic party is a rabble of limp-dicked morons who don’t know how to make a country work. But the Republicans are worse.

    And that’s the real take away. More Americans hate Lazy Fare Capitalism than don’t. More Americans hate regressive taxation than don’t. More Americans more Americans think the GOP’s habit of dragging out old world social values like pro-life and anti-gay marriage is an annoying obstruction than don’t. More Americans percieve anti-immagration stances as racist than don’t.

    The GOP is not that different from The Democrats, but they are so bad at where they are different that you get a party as disorganized and stupid as the Democrats winning the big chair more in the past 20 years than the Republicans. What this means is that the Republican party must either die or die to itself and become something else for a time. That reorganization inolves accepting that the GOP conventions of the past 60-80 years have been wrong, and that that in no way means the Democrats are right. It means the Democrats are still wrong and theRepublicans are just wronger.

    Lazy Fare Capitalism doesn’t work and it’ll never fly. It’s why libertarians will never be a major player party. There will always need to be some social programs, but the terms therein are arguable. For instance, a welfare program that requires work in the form of public or community service might be popular.

    Nobody wants moral values thrust on them. So quit it. Drop the Christian right, because for every vote you gain you lose 1.05 at least. Campaign against the War on Drugs, because it’s a big floppy loser. And in this arena you can keep the pro-gun platform because who cares?

    People want corporate power, influence and authority reigned in. They do, however want them to keep a fair share of the money. The republicans lost sight of that. Their message was too simple. Don’t frankenstein that shit. “Corporations good, lazy poor people bad.” is not a reasonable argument. Non zero sum game might be (I don’t believe that one given our situation, but depending on how the policy plays out, I might not care about the philosophy).

    This was the Republicans game to lose and they lost it because of Tea Party losers, inarticulate arguments, and policies people don’t like. About the only issue they stand on the side of the people in according to polls is gun rights. Everything else, they’re now showing to be on the wrong side of history. If you want someone else in charge you have to organize a platform that gets 50.X% of the vote where X is > 0. If you can’t organize a platform that can accomplish that, guess what? You lose elections. Sour grapes is a really poor take away for an election, becase you just got told by The People what they want.

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    7th November 2012 at 3:51 am

  84. flash says:

    SAH , great rant and 100% true,

    That said , I’ve never read any women commenter spew the vitriol you do with such flare and ease, besides crazy eyes Ann of course. which brings me to question whether you’re male pulling a reverse Zara or channeling the Queen of vitriol Ann Barnhardt.

    BTW, FWIW, Crazy Eyes Ann would carve Adams Apple Ann up for breakfast , fry her bits up in used motor oil, and wash down the meal with hydrochloric acid.
    And have a Nanny Bloomberg bagel stuffed with tobacco , 16 o/z of pure cane sugar and a homo sexual Catholic priest’s spleen for brunch.

    You don’t get eyes that crazy from a mere breakfast of Fruit Loops.

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    7th November 2012 at 6:40 am

  85. John A says:


    Third World Corruption and the 2012 Election

    - Selwyn Duke (Bio and Archives) Tuesday, November 6, 2012


    One characteristic of Third World nations is corruption woven into the system. When I was in India many years ago, for instance, I learned you had to offer bribes to get anything done, even just to obtain a driver’s license. It was pay to play.

    There has been much focus on whether Barack Obama is a natural-born American, but often lost in this debate is a very significant fact: whatever the president is in letter, he is no American in spirit. His governing philosophy is not American; he is not patriotic. And, to the point here, he has introduced a level of corruption to government more suggestive of where he spent his formative years, Indonesia; or that other Third World place, in which he cut his political teeth, Chicago.

    Those outside the Mainstream Media Matrix hear the stories. There was Solyndra, where half a billion taxpayer dollars went down a rat hole to Obama cronies; the rape of the GM bondholders; Fast and Furious, in which our government gave weapons to south-of-the-border cartels, which then used them to murder Americans and hundreds of Mexicans; the refusal to implement aspects of immigration law that the president doesn’t like; the support of Wisconsin union brownshirts; and Benghazi-gate, just to name a few. And, in keeping with the president’s immigration shell game, there is the overall flouting of the rule of law, which the voters, through gross electoral malpractice four years ago, traded for the rule of a lawyer named Obama.

    A most ominous aspect of this is the president’s power to grant ObamaCare waivers to whomever he pleases. Why does this matter? Well, as Thomas Sowell explained just today:

    The 14th Amendment to the Constitution provides for “equal protection of the laws” for all Americans. To have a law that can cost an organization millions of dollars a year either apply or not apply, depending on the whim or political interest of the President of the United States, is to make a mockery of the rule of law.

    How secure is any freedom when there is this kind of arbitrary power in the hands of one man?

    What does your right of freedom of speech mean if saying something that irritates the Obama administration means that you or your business has to pay huge amounts of money and get hit with all sorts of red tape under ObamaCare that your competitor is exempted from, because your competitor either kept quiet or praised the Obama administration or donated to its reelection campaign?

    This is Third World governance. It’s reminiscent of what happens in places such as Argentina, where businesses that toe the ruling-party line get rewarded, while those that don’t get punished and perhaps, even, nationalized.

    It is also how you consolidate power. After all, corporate backing is invaluable for political candidates. But how many businesses will support the opposition if they know it means the hobbling, and maybe even destruction of, their business? This government control over business also is, we should note, a distinguishing feature of fascism, as espoused by Benito Mussolini and its other founding fathers.

    This brings us to what’s at stake this election. If we want more evil behavior, all we need do is reward it through toleration. And there is such a thing as the point of no return. Once corruption is woven into your civilization, it can be as inextricable as a virus in the human nervous system. It becomes status quo, and then you can’t play at all if you don’t pay; then even “good” people accept it as just a fact of life.

    Barack Obama has gotten away with murder, figuratively and literally, thus far. The media has enabled this, through their sins of omission and commission: through their failure to expose the president’s malfeasance and their manufacture of faux dirt on his opponents (e.g., the Bain game). And if the voters re-elect Obama — despite in-your-face scandals, a listing economy, and fraying foreign policy — the president will get a clear message.

    “I can get away with anything.”

    He will be like a child who crashed his unearned Nissan and maxed-out daddy’s credit card — and then is rewarded with a Porsche and credit-line extension.

    This election will tell us if the American people are wearing a collective “Kick me” sign. If so, we are damning our posterity to a kick in the bottom and a jackboot on the neck, without measure and without end.

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    7th November 2012 at 7:53 am

  86. Persnickety says:

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it now again: mob democracy is not a positive system of government, and will always result in mob rule of the stupidest and coarsest people. Aristotle knew this 2300 years ago and tried to warn anyone who would listen, and all that has changed is that the vote has been extended from just all men of a given ethnicity that dominates the area (which by itself provided disaster), to all adults of either gender regardless of ethnicity, religion, or any other characteristic that might provide a common purpose or set of values.

    Of course, the elections are largely a sham anyway – the real rulers are not subject to election and not swayed by the results. The democratic process is the curtain behind which they hide.

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    7th November 2012 at 9:19 am

  87. SAH says:

    Oh, Kepi, where can I even begin with you. Will you please tell your age? I’m envisioning you as a Millennial in his early 20s. This mental image makes me want to be nice and explain things to you.

    Here is where you are right: the Republicans are sucking worse. The obsession with Moral
    Majority Christian Terrorists as the center of the party is losing them votes, absolutely.

    Now we shall move on to all of the things that were wrong or naive in your post.
    1. Libertarianism will never work because people hate Laissez Faire capitalism. Do people really hate capitalism in this country? Or do they just hate the current state of corporatism and cronyism? Do people really want Communist or Socialist economics? I don’t think so. In terms of economics – Libertarians are the only ones calling to END corporate welfare. Stop the Federal subsidies, bailouts, corporation-government collusion, etc.

    2. Then you go off on how the GOP is failing because people hate ‘old-world’ values such as pro-life and anti-gay marriage. How does this fit with #1 that libertarianism will never work? Libertarianism merges truly conservative economic principles with moral openness on issues such as sex, drugs, and rock n roll. Do people really want more Federal Regulation? Federal Departments? Federal Employees? If people truly want the Fed to swoop in and FORCE a moral agenda of Gays-in-Wedlock, then the 2 sides will have to bicker away. How is the DEA working out, and the pronouncement that drugs are bad? The Feds made a moral pronouncement on the issue of abortion and did that end the bickering? Why not let local and state governments have more control? A lot of our divisions are regional. Why cant Liberal Progressives on the cursed coasts have more liberal policies, and why can’t the Evangelical conservatives in the bible belt have their more conservative policies? If we make the Federal Government smaller and stop asking it to force nationwide moral pronouncements, more people will be happier in more places. Libertarianism wants governments on the state and local level to have more choice. Period.

    3. You propose a welfare program where people work for the government? Honey – we have that, they are called Federal Employee Unions and they are bankrupting us. The Federal Government is NOT a source of jobs or income! It is a source of police force and taxation! This is why we were supposed to have public SERVANTS. Somewhere we’ve gotten confused and now think there is such as thing as a Government Employee…. As if the Government produces goods and services like a normal capitalist for-profit business. Governments are a necessary evil – a way to beat, punish and imprison ‘bad’ citizens and to wage war against other countries. Governments produce those 2 things, and charge us taxes in return. As Ronald Reagan said “when government expands, liberty contracts”.

    4. You are talking about the success of Democrats over the ‘last 20 years’ of presidential elections…. So, you can remember life way far back into the mists of time to…. Clinton’s reelection in 1996. You may not be old enough to remember Reagan, but as he put it “I think the best possible social program is a job.”. In relation to #3, if you are going to have work-for-welfare, then all you are doing is creating more Federal Employees. And where does government get the money to pay its employees? Taxes and Deficits.

    In summation, I believe you’ve been blinded by the fundamentally false idea that Government Solves Problems. It doesn’t! Individuals solve problems. Neighborhoods, towns and counties solve problems. The Federal Government is: police action, war, taxes. Your hopes of good government are misplaced, but cute. Try rethinking it.

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    7th November 2012 at 10:45 am

  88. TeresaE says:

    Dorkus Maximus says:

    “Subsidizing energy, agriculture and Walmart (though I fail to see how we are subsidizing Walmart – please explain) is technically fascism, not socialism. ”

    Nobody else answered, so I’ll help.

    We subsidize Walmart in two ways, 1 – SNAP (food stamps) are about 38% of gross sales. and 2 – we allowed China to flood America with cheap crap and did not demand they play on the same playing field American manufacturers are forced to. Walmart lobbied Clinton hard for this right, and as such they went from over 90% American products, to good luck finding them on the shelves. Oh yeah, Walmart is over 7% of China’s GDP now too.

    That, my friend, is how we subsidize Walmart. GE, GM, and numerous others, can say the same.

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    7th November 2012 at 11:48 am

  89. sensetti says:

    Illinois in worst financial shape, Texas in best shape
    Reuters/Chicago Tribune:
    Illinois’ financial condition continued to deteriorate in fiscal 2011, leaving it the state with the lowest level of net assets in the country, as its liabilities, including money owed for public pensions, grew, according to a report released on Thursday by the state’s auditor general.

    Illinois’ $43.8 billion deficit in terms of net assets at the end of June 2011 rose from $37.5 billion in fiscal 2010, when it also ranked the lowest among states.

    In fiscal 2011, New Jersey’s equivalent deficit in terms of net assets was $33.4 billion, while Massachusetts’ was $22.8 billion and Connecticut’s $14 billion, according to the report.

    California, which shares low credit ratings with Illinois, had a $10.5 billion deficit at the end of fiscal 2011. All of the other states included in the report had positive net assets, with Texas at the top with $97.3 billion.

    All states with negative net assets are blue states, although New Jersey now has a Republican governor who is trying to pull them out of the hole. The deficit states are high tax high spending states, and to some extent high regulation states all of which stifles growth. In other words they have been following the Obama model and we can see where it has led them.

    The data shows that liberalism does not work.
    Posted 21st June by Merv

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    7th November 2012 at 12:34 pm

  90. SAH says:

    @Flash – I failed to answer you questions. 1. I’m not sure what a ‘reverse Zara’ is but it sounds kind of kinky, and haven’t I asked you Boomer men to stop talking to me in sexual innuendos? 2. I’m genetically and physically 100% an XX chromosomed female, and have no form of gender identity disorder either online or in person. 3. I’m not channelling ‘Crazy Eyes’ as I’m not a fan or follower of her work. I find her button down brooks bros shirts quite masculine and unattractive, and can’t decide which is more butch – Crazy Eye’s shirts or Ann Coulter’s adam’s apple. I also can’t agree with either of the Annes since I’m an Atheist. Again, I can’t decide which is worse, Evangelical religious lunacy or Catholic religious lunacy (leaning Catholic on this one). 4. I fly off the hook with hatred sometimes, it’s true. But in my everyday life I prefer to remain fairly feminine, appear neutral and demure. I’m actually completely disappointed in the state of White Men in this country – if they’d stop being such bitchwhipped, hippy pushovers I wouldn’t have to go off on diatribes about women and minorities being dumb and out of control. I could just smile sweetly, dress nicely, and focus on my home and children (and working out) which are the things which I truly enjoy. But white men are scared shitless to tell the truth anymore, but I’m not. Somebody has to do it, so until another generation of real men step up, I’m forced to ‘man up’ and tell the truth. 5. That being said, I’ve also been honest about being a racial 50/50… So by any conventional Politically Correct definition I am clearly crazy – an anti-feminist woman, anti-affirmative action minority, and pro-life atheist.

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    7th November 2012 at 4:18 pm

  91. AKAnon says:

    SAH-Any time I find myself agreeing w/ Flash (“SAH , great rant and 100% true”), it makes me nervous. Thanks for setting the record straight. FYI-Zara is (reportedly) a male poster (Zarathustra) who was thought to be female due to his moniker, and arguably promoted that misperception for a while.

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    7th November 2012 at 1:03 am

  92. cuningham says:

    You bashing the two-party system, shows what my vote would mean if it were up to you and others. What do you want? A dictatorship? There are counties where you can get what your looking for….. Including the right to carry as many guns as you wish. Brazil and Columbia, just to name a couple. The murder rates for those countries go off the charts. G.W. Bush did spend the 1st 8 Trillion dollars to our deficit… Face it! Now we have far more many people retiring to add to social security and the interest to pay on the 1st 8 trillion dollars….. And you want to blame Obama for it! Incredible!

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    7th November 2012 at 6:49 am

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