My Boomer Life and the Greatest Generation Parents Who Raised Me

Posted on 20th December 2012 by Stucky in Economy

I won’t be posting a Quinn-like masterpiece with lots of graphs and statistics. First, I don’t have that ability. Second, I am not a statistic. I am a person … so this will be a personal story with anecdotes about my achy-breaky Boomer life. Mostly, I just want to address the following question;

“ARE BOOMERS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN AMERICA TODAY?”

First, let me whine a little.  A number of folks here (you know who you are, lol) answer that question with an emphatic “YES!!”.  I find it incredulous that otherwise very smart folks can say such things. I don’t know if it’s said just for effect to “piss off” Boomers such as myself, or if you can really attribute this country’s Great Malaise to such a simple theory.   It is also rather dismaying that whenever ANYTHING positive is said about the Boomer generation, then that person is accused of being in “denial” or an “apologist”.  It’s almost as if the quest for knowledge ceases when it comes to Boomers … a really surprising turn of events considering the large number of INTJs here.

Others will say we Boomers shouldn’t take it “personally” — which, really, is like calling a black person “nigger”, and then exclaiming, “Oh! Please don’t take that personally”. Tough to do! Accuse me of whatever you wish. I simply cannot wrap my tiny mind around the Broad Brush Approach — lumping an entire generation of 76 million people  as the cause of Everything Evil is not wise, helpful, applicable, or even possible, imho.  You might as well say, “Humans caused all our evils” … which would also be equally correct, and equally useless since the classification is too enormous.  But if one is looking for an Easy Unified Theory of Everything Wrong With America … “Boomers Did It” … well, have at it.

I cannot identify with the rich Boomers, because I am not rich. I cannot identify with the rich Greatest Generation , because I am not rich. I cannot identify with the rich of any generation, because I am not rich. Without advocating a class-warfare approach, I must maintain that a far greater divide in America is along Class — not, age.  The mega-rich, the mega-powerful, the ultra-elite — yeah, the 1% — as George Carlin says, THEY are your owners! Redirect your anger accordingly.

I am NOT against the younger generation. I love ‘em. I feel I have more in common with my emotionally troubled son than with most Boomers in my life.  Unlike what happens to many old farts, he at least he still questions everything, still wonders what this crazy life is all about, still wonders how he “fits in”.  Just like I did when I was his age, and actually, still do to some extent.  \\end:whining//

STUCKY  CONSIDERS HIS PAST WHILE AT A CHRISTMAS CONCERT

A couple Sundays ago I went to my Dad’s Christmas concert.  He sings for The Plainfield Gesang & Turn Verein, a German-American heritage club that was founded in 1886. There were about 200 people in attendance.  I would say that 90% of demographics were Boomers such as myself and our parents, The Greatest Generation.

I not only listened to the music, but as I watched my dad singing so proudly, and as I glanced at my mom who always gets weepy at this event, my mind also grew nostalgic, as it is prone to do at such holiday occasions.

It is only in the past few years that I have seen my parents as “whole” persons. What I mean by that is that their whole existence on this planet, as far as I was concerned for most of my life, only started around when I was 5 years old … my earliest memories of them. That means about 30 years of their lives — while they did start to tell me bits and pieces once I turned 17 and thereafter — well, for all intents and purposes it simply didn’t exist. What a damn shame, to my own detriment, that I didn’t even care about the great fountain of experience and knowledge I so easily dismissed. The major event that shaped my parent’s lives was WWII. With apologies to all those here who know this story, I shall very briefly summarize it for those who don’t, for context.

My dad was a German living in Romania.  One day, when dad was a teenager, the German Army came sweeping into his village, yanked him from his home, told him he was in the German Army, sent him to the Russian front, where he was captured, spent time in a Russian prison camp, and upon release was not allowed to return to Romania and never saw his family again, but was instead sent to England to work in the coal mines for several years – a form of ‘reparation’, before he made his way to a refugee camp in Austria.

My mother was a German living in Yugoslavia. One day, when she was a teenager, the Russian Army came sweeping into her village. They shot a lot of older German men – the young ones were all off to war — on the spot. Virtually all the women in the village were promptly sent to a Russian gulag, where she was raped, saw her mom raped and then murdered in front of her eyes. After the war ended only she and her brother remained alive, they were not allowed to return to their village, and they walked to a refugee camp in Austria.

I don’t relay these events for pity. Screw that. They are just one of millions of German families who suffered in WWII … just as millions of Americans have suffered in WWII, with only the details changing. I just have a story to tell, and my parent’s story is a huge part of my story. Of course I can’t speak for 76 million of us except in a general sense.  For example, I graduated from a high school of about 2,000 and I feel comfortable in saying we all share the Same Boomer Story, generally speaking.

THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING BOOMERISM

The point is these are the people who raised my fat Boomer ass … which they did not do in a vacuum, independent of things that shaped their lives.  The picture in your mind’s eye of a “Boomer” is quite incomplete if you forget, or misunderstand, our Greatest Generation parents.

So, I’m watching my mother as she watches the concert, I put my hand around her shoulder as I see her eyes well up with tears. What is she thinking?  What pains are still so real to her today .. that I can’t help her with?  I start thinking about my own 59 years of living … how crystal clear certain events of my own teenage years still are … as if they happened yesterday. And then a feel a certain shame that it took me so long to see my parents as whole persons.  I suddenly feel despondent that I so despised several aspects of my upbringing that I couldn’t wait to join the military, even in the midst of the Vietnam war, just to get the fuck out from under my parent’s thumb.  Before taking a look at how the Greatest Generation raised us, let’s quickly take a look at another key to understanding Boomers;  the world in which we lived

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY ??

The Gay 20’s really weren’t all that gay, just as  the world Boomers inherited wasn’t only the fun, Hippie, pot-smokin’, LSD trippin’, rock’n-roll groovin’, free love image that is remembered today. Two big events and a ton of smaller ones helped turn our once pure souls to the Dark Side.

First Big Event: Da Bomb. Russia. Nukes. Commie bastards. Ka-BAM! All gone. Nuclear winter. Dead. Why??? Nuke drills!! Little Boomer children hiding under desks for protection. Little Boomer children watching gub’mint movies showing homes blasted to smithereens. Little desk hiding Boomers not stupid, “We gonna die under this desk!!”  Was I forever traumatized – some prepubescent PTSD – by these drills? No. Did it affect my perception of what the world was about and that just maybe it made no sense at all and that the grownups were idiots and that since tomorrow may never come so I might as well live just for today … even though I was just a kid at the time?  You better believe it.

Second Big Event. Vietnam. Dirty, nasty, disgusting, vile war that killed 60,000 of us and maimed hundreds of thousands more. What was it good for? Absolutely nothing.  Did it affect my perception of what the world was about and that just maybe it made no sense at all and that the grownups were idiots and that since tomorrow may never come so I might as well live just for today? You better believe it.

Not to mention in no particular order;  civil rights ….. riots …. . corrupt government openly lying ….. a disgraced president ….. dead soldiers faces broadcast on TV every night ….. Kent State …..  double-digit unemployment ……. Midnight Cowboy ….. 25% interest rate for a home loan ….. gas lines ….. shitty cars that exploded ….. S&L crisis ….. Bay of Pigs ….. nukes in Cuba!! …. Abortion …. JFK ….. and, MLK …. Jimmie Hendrix and Janis Joplin …. Gloria Steinem and  woman’s rights ….. no more prayer in school ….. the Ayatollah ….. Supreme Court turns activist all over the place …… Korea ….. school integration ……………….

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Did we shape the times, or did the times shape us? I think it’s the latter. Simple math.

The first Boomers were born in 1946.  How old are the people-in-charge, the leaders, the CEOs, the 535 politicians that rule our lives … i.e., the people who actually make things happen?  Let’s be conservative and say that it’s 30 years old.  So, the first Boomers with power to affect the status quo  arrive on the scene only in 1975.  I  would say Boomers  took the helms of power around  daddy Bush’s presidency in 1989 – when the first Boomers were 43 years old.

The “ME Generation” —- A MISNOMER

We are … and you may add the adjective “most” to many  of these descriptions;  selfish, self-indulgent, unwilling to sacrifice, politically correct, drug addicted, material minded, entitled, liberal or commie shits, bad parents, lazy, humans to ever walk the earth. And to top it all off we invented Afro’s and disco (actually, two legitimate reasons to hate us).  Amazingly, we accomplished all this because of the year in which we were born.  And because of our sin of ‘The Year Of Our Birth’, you can go to literally hundreds of blogs other than here and find the admonishment that Boomers should “just die already”.  The implication being, that once this happens, pretty much everything will return to bliss, prosperity, and overall happiness.  I read that we Boomers only cared about only three things;  1) Me, 2) Me, and 3) Me.  Just like the “love of money” is the root of evil,  our preoccupation with “Me” is the root cause underlying our evilness.

BUT — the ME-Generation was raised by the Greatest Generation.

How would YOU like to be born following that moniker?  Imagine you have just one older sibling, and your parents referred to him/her as “The Greatest Kid”.  It just might fuck you up!  Lol   Boomer babies didn’t drop out the shoot and at the moment of birth become The Most Selfish Bastards ever.  We did not raise ourselves. Somewhere along the line, some person(s) and some event(s) helped us along into becoming selfish pricks.  Cause leads to effect, nature abhors a vacuum.

What do you THINK you know about The Greatest Generation?

Unless you’re a Boomer, what you think you know about the Greatest Generation is likely inaccurate.  The people you know as grandparents are NOT the same people who raised us.  Some kind of Weird Assed Transformation took place from the time we were born to the people you know. Maybe it has to do with the aging process – whereby one becomes more introspective, soft hearted, and most importantly – accepting of Things As They Are … not, What They Should Be, a mantra us Boomer kids heard a million times if we heard it once.   Maybe it was the realization that their own Materialism was a big mistake … and trust me on this, in many ways they were much more materialistic than their boomer children.  Maybe they didn’t ‘change’, maybe they just ‘adapted’ – but, the Metamorphosis into A New Life Form –one that is NOW loved and revered –  is and was spectacular.

Let’s take a look at what Boomer kids heard growing up

“ I’m not buying you a new pair of Converse sneakers. You think money grows on trees?”

“You’re not going out dressed like that, are you? What will the neighbors think?”

“I slave all day to put food on the table, so you damn well better eat all of it!”

“You don’t know what hardship is all about.  WE had it rough.”

“Kids in China are starving. Learn some gratitude, dammit.”

“You see all the stuff we have?.  We did all this for you.”

“Turn off the damn lights. You think electricity is free?”

“You don’t know the meaning of sacrifice.”

“Cut your hair!  At least look respectable.”

“You don’t know how lucky you are.”

“At least you could show some respect.”

“You don’t know the value of things.”

“Why don’t you appreciate anything?”

“Quit acting like a bum!”  KaPow!!  (We boomer kids got wacked …. A LOT)

If you don’t see a significant amount of materialism in those statements then, I’m sorry, you’re just not being perceptive enough.  Materialism is largely a state of mind.  Bertrand Russel said,  ——- “It is the preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else that prevents us from living freely and nobly.”

HANGING ONTO WHAT YOU GOT LIKE YOUR LIFE DEPENDED ON IT

It’s not about how much stuff you own. It’s about the stuff you own that eventually owns you.  A middle aged man attempts to reclaim his youth and buys a vintage Harley, just like the one in Easy Rider. He owns the bike.  Before you know it he’s spending all weekend polishing every nut and bolt.  Then he decides it needs some restoration, and he spends a few grand doing that.  Then he spends more and more time away from his family and with his fellow enthusiasts, riding around town, showing off like a peacock. Then one day his teenage son accidently puts a small scratch on the fender.  He hurls a string of expletives at his son for committing this unforgiveable sin.  The bike now owns HIM.

Although I lacked nothing growing up, my pre-boomer angst was fueled by the ever present possibility that all the blessings bestowed on me could be lost at any time. From scarcity we came, and to scarcity we could return.  This pretty much fulfills Bertrand Russels’s  materialism “preoccupation” criteria. Our stuff, meager as it might be, owned us.  The resultant activity of the scarcity meme, in terms of materialism, is that my Greatest Generation dad worked his ass off to make sure scarcity would never rear its ugly head. This is admirable and not to be condemned.  Don’t you, and I, do the very same thing for our children?

But, it did have unintended consequences.  Growing up I couldn’t help but feeling that material gain was more important than anything else. Our parents did work their fingers to the bone.  But by the time they dragged their tired asses through the door, they were too tired to hug us.  They were too tired to have any really meaningful conversations, especially about sex.  “Children should be seen, and not heard.” , I swear was God’s eternal truth scripted somewhere in the Gospels. So, we spent a great deal of our time out of our parents’ sight.  That was great for both of us … far less arguments.

We even had our own special place to play in the house.  The basement. We sure as hell never romped around the main level, especially the living room;  “Don’t sit there!  That’s GOOD furniture!!”.  Our little boomer minds duly noted; ‘furniture more important than us’. Watch reruns of ‘Everybody Loves Raymond’ and Marie’s living room to see the hilarious abortions  our parents resorted in order to “save” the good furniture;  they covered everything in plastic! Lol  All of us immediately identified with the advice Dustin Hoffman received in The Graduate;  “Plastics, my boy. Plastics.”  Eventually we got the last laugh when all that plastic shit turned a putrid shade of yellow, and the cushions smelled like skunk ass when the plastic was removed. Meanwhile, we were banished to the basement where we could destroy nothing of real value.

FROM DEPRIVATION TO EXCESS TO REBELLION

One of the most common reactions to deprivation is excess.  For example, people who have faced starvation will often, once circumstances have changed, become gluttons.  This was our parents’ response.

Then, as time passes, a typical reaction to excess is rebellion. This was our response.  For example, on a grand scale a Colonist eventually  rebels against the excesses of his British masters, and dumps tea in the bay.  On an individual scale, children (of any era) eventually rebel against their parents’ excessive rules by doing the exact opposite. The goal of the Rebel, whether a nation or a child,  is always to starve the master of their power.

This dynamic plays out predictably well in the Greatest Generation / Boomer relationship.  The Greatest Generation faced deprivations in spades; from the Great Depression to Dust Bowls to World War II. The end of the Big War ushers in the greatest economic boom in American history, or something like that.  Remembering their deprivations the Greatest Generation becomes as materialistic as any in recent memory.  Some of you folks err when you compare that materialism back then with what we have today.  You look at countless graphs, data, GDPs, debt, one financial ratio after another … compare the two eras … and somehow conclude that the Greatest Generation were ‘savers’.  The “numbers” don’t look so bad back then only because the whole shebang was just getting started.  Some shit just takes time to get stinky.

What was this great economic post-war boom about? Was it not the beginning of Consumerism? What do you think this is all about;  … getting that little starter house, then upgrading to the bigger house with the nice white picket fence, movin’ on up to a good neighborhood, getting that  fifty cent promotion, replacing a literal ice-BOX with a real refrigerator, getting a nice big Dee-troit car or two,  the explosion of corporate TV shows like the Colgate Comedy Hour … if not consumer fueled materialism? Excess folks, excess.

“Oh Yeah?  Well …. fuck you!!”

The Boomer children, mostly neglected as daddy –and soon, mommy – pursued the Good Life (FOR us, naturally) reacted in a way that shouldn’t be a surprise …. we rebelled against our oppressor for their real or imagined sins.   Only we did with much greater aplomb than ever before ; we didn’t fuck around, we were all in.

They had short-haired geeky musicians, we had long-haired hip rockers.  They had booze, we had drugs.  They had rules – lots of them —, we had none. Free Love, baby!  If it feels good, do it. Love the one you’re with.  They worked hard, we went to Woodstock. They had a lifeless church, we had the Jesus Movement.  They followed the call of  Madison Avenue,  our hearts  hung out at Haight and Ashbury. They liked Ike, we preferred Dylan.  They wore penny loafers, we had sandals and a bandana (and other ridicules articles of clothing). And so it went at every turn; right or wrong, a repudiation of ALL that came before.  So people  look back on this crazy-assed behavior and label us the “ME” generation.  I’ll grant you that there is some truth to that.  But, it falls far short  of what was really going on. It wasn’t “me, me, me” as much as it was; “fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you”.

BTW, isn’t that EXACTLY what the younger generations are saying about us Boomers; “Fuck You!”?   History rhyming yet again. Solomon correctly wrote; “Vanity of vanities, there is nothing new under the sun.” I don’t know what dumbass mistakes this younger generation will make — I sometimes feel they think they’ll make none, the first Perfect Generation — but trust me on this one thing oh Young Ones, you too will blow it … and your offspring will mock you as well.

BOOMERS NEVER EARNED ANYTHING — EVERYTHING WAS HANDED TO THEM

Nothing quite baffles me like this accusation.  I shake my head wondering exactly what was given to me. I started out getting a fifty-cent allowance, back when fifty cents could still get me into the movies (double feature plus cartoons, a soda, and a popcorn and get a nickel back). It wasn’t “free” either … it came attached to doing chores.  Mow the lawn, take out the garbage, do the dishes when asked, and keep my room clean.  This our parents called “learning responsibility”. All for 2 bits … good thing we weren’t Unionized.

But for real money to get real stuff — like those Converse sneakers — we had to work.  So, I got my first job at around 13 selling subscriptions of the town newspaper door to door on Saturdays.  I got a dollar per new subscription.  Some Saturdays I’d rack up 20 plus bucks and back then that was living large. My first real job was in high school. I worked in a lasagna factory, stirring lasagna in a huge vat of boiling water … for $1.35 an hour. And I never stopped working since. We worked hard all our lives. My friends all did likewise. So. Pardon me if I am offended at being called “selfish, greedy, and entitled” as I refuse to accept that label. Speaking of “entitled”, perhaps this is what people mean; all those juicy gub’mint entitlement programs, especially SS and Medicare. First of all, social security was NOT created by the Boomer generation. So, solly. Try the generation before us. Medicare was NOT created by Boomers either. Sure it was enacted in 1965. The oldest of the Boomer generation would have been born in 1943 … making that Boomer just 22 years old in 1965. The voting age was still 21. Please don’t tell me Medicare was voted into being because of then 22 year old Boomers! I know people just hate it when us old farts “expect” to collect on SS. Can you walk in my shoes for a moment? Let’s say you paid$50,000 into some account set up by the gub’ment. It is money you earned by the sweat of your brow.  You didn’t ask the gob’ment to do this for you.  They took it by force and promised to give it back to you later. Much later. That “much later” is now here, and some people want to tell us, “Hey, you can’t have the money. The gub’ment spent it and you can’t have it.” We used to have a word for this: Theft.  Look, I can understand that I may not be able to collect SS forever until I die.  But, can I at least get MY $50,000 dollars back?? You don’t even have to pay any interest, if that makes it better. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SINS OF MY BRETHREN I won’t cover any of the other Entitlements / Social Programs. All I can tell you I voted Republican most of my life, and I cannot ever recall voting based on getting free shit. Foreign policy, wars, and character where my usual hot buttons. I don’t know how other Boomers voted. I don’t care. I don’t care because I don’t believe in the idea of Collective Guilt. Google that term and the first page will show articles on “German collective guilt over Nazis”, so this is a topic I personally know something about. It is a heinous principle first found in the Old Testament that — “The sin of the fathers He punishes on the children to the third and fourth generation.” A monstrous mockery of justice!! Collective guilt refuses to acknowledge the INDIVIDUAL. Evil regimes and their dictators (Stalin, Mao, Marx, etc.) love collective guilt as they collectivize individuals as “the populace” or “the masses” or “the workers” and then enslave or execute them as it suits their purposes. That’s why I have often said here that the demonization of Boomers may one day logically lead to Death Chambers for us old farts. You, dear reader, don’t believe in collective guilt either. Do you find yourself guilty of the crime of slavery? No. Do you find yourself guilty for the genocide of Native Americans ? No. Do you find yourself guilty for Mai Lai? No. Do you find me guilty for Buchenwald? No. So why do you throw all Boomers in the Collective guilty pot? It is said ‘people get the government they deserve’. If that’s true then I should find YOU guilty for the current mess we’re in. But, don’t worry, I won’t because that entire argument is specious. Here’s one way we should follow in the footsteps of the Greatest Generation; they didn’t blame their own parents for their youthful excesses of the ’20′s which then led to the financial ruin of the Great Depression . They just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and made the best of a bad situation. So should we. “YOU MADE PROMISES TO US ………. AND YOU LIED!!” Another common theme amongst disgruntled Utes are the broken promises we Boomers made. When I went to the Occupy Wall Street demonstration in NYC I saw more than a few Utes displaying posters about Education … “$60,000 in Student Loans and No Job”, and several variations thereof, including demands to forgive the debt.  For change of pace I will number my responses.

1)— Guess what kids?  Your generation isn’t the only one that was lied too. We were lied too, also. So, welcome to the real world.

2)— Guess who told us that education was the path to a better life?  That’s right, our Greatest Generation parents.  We just passed what we learned in OUR youth, onto you. By and large that’s how parenting works. Again, welcome to the real world.

3)— Our parents valued education because they were mostly blue-collar workers toiling away in factories (remember those?). They saw first-hand that the “higher-ups”, the folks in the office, the guys in white-collars made significantly more loot than they did.  So, putting two and two together they came up with the brilliant conclusion that education pays.  And that’s why I got my ass kicked whenever I brought home a bad Report Card. The first question at the dinner table was, “Did you wash your hands?”. The second and usually last question was “Did you do your homework?”  Study, study, study was drilled into our mush brains until the cows came home. It is really no more complicated than that.

4)— What’s wrong with furthering your education anyway? Did we commit some Mortal Sin in telling you to study? Don’t you know that we “pushed” this Horrible Thought on you for a reason?  Don’t you know that with knowledge you’ll learn how to think and analyze. Don’t you know the value of  using logic and rational thought, and how that will benefit you throughout your life?  Don’t you know we wanted to give you a foundation that would allow you to filter through all the bullshit the world tries to feed you? Apparently, not.

5)— Regarding not paying back your loan.  Where did you learn that from?  Certainly not from us Boomers when you were young!  Again, we taught you what was taught to us. And here’s one thing I can guaran-damn-tee you our parents showed us; paying one’s bills was a Badge of Honor.  It wasn’t God, country, and apple pie. It was Pay Your Bills, God, country, and apple pie. My parents would sacrifice a meal in order to pay a bill.  We taught you to do the same when you were little.

Here’s what Boomers and the Greatest Generation did wrong.

6) We monetized “value” when talking about “the value of an education”.  Did the Greek philosophers value education to make more money? No.  Did the great men of the Renaissance era value education to make more money? No. Did our Founding Fathers value education to make more money? No.  The “value” of an education is more than exploiting it for financial gain (see #4 above).  But, clearly, modern America is all about the Almighty Dollar.  So, I went to college pretty much in order to make better money. And I told my kids to go to college to make better money. Guilty as charged. Money, it’s a gas. I suppose what pisses off Utes is that Boomers were actually able to get jobs when they graduated, while they can’t. Which leads me to my final point.

7) Tough shit!!  And please don’t tell me us Boomers “guaranteed” you a good job upon getting an education. First of all if you actually believed such a statement you need to recalibrate your Bullshit Detector. They never has been and never will be any guarantees in life, except death, taxes, and obese fat women pictures from our own beloved AWD.  Secondly, it’s a lie from hell.  Our Greatest Generation parents were keenly aware of the possibility of losing it all … again.

They even coined a unique phrase to drill home the concept of no guarantees; –“you never know”. For example, “Put down that stick! You could poke your sister’s eye out, YOU NEVER KNOW!” (In my childhood there were apparently about 845 ways to poke out my sister’s eye.) Or, “Put on clean underwear before we drive to church.  We might have an accident, YOU NEVER KNOW!”.  Or, “No, we’re not joining the community swimming pool.  We need to save every penny, YOU NEVER KNOW when we’ll need it.”.

Lastly, Utes also blame Boomers that they can’t get married,  they have to live with their parents, will never be able to start a family, buy a house, etc. etc.  It all boils down to “life isn’t fair”. Well!  1) we Boomers used that phrase on our own parents a million times.  Please come up with something new.  2)  In what fairy-tale are you living where ‘fairness’ is the rule of the land? 3) Stop emulating Gordon Gecko. Try, Tim the Toolman. 4) My parents taught me this and I pass it along to you.  Perhaps the Ten Best Words Of Advice you will ever hear;   “Life isn’t fair. Get over it. DO something about it.”

FINAL THOUGHTS

In closing, let me say that I’m not trying to change the real Boomer Haters. It was downright depressing doing some research for this article. I don’t know exactly how widespread this hatred is, but what is out there is savage, vicious, and said with such ferocity that I wonder when, not if, the loathing for my generation  turns into violence against us.  Every revolution has at least one scapegoat. The “Boomers Suck” meme is paving the way towards acceptance of  our destruction, should it go that far. How does one change such a person’s opinion?? But, there are folks out there who have yet to decide if they shout hate/blame Boomers for everything.  I hope this article reaches those.

I also hope this does not come across as either making excuses or rationalization.   It’s just my story, and I assume it’s similar to millions of others in my age group unfortunate enough to be labeled a Boomer. All I tried to do is tell it as it is … yes, as I see it with my Boomer-tainted goggles … and in the telling I know I barely scratched the surface.

One thing I know is they we are ALL in this together. When I see a homeless man in NYC, he may be a Boomer … or, very well be a more recent generation. I often drop a few dollar bills, but I don’t first verify his age, because I don’t see a GenX or Boomer … I see only a homeless person, a human being who is worthy of compassion because I realize “there but for the grace of God go I”.

I think it’s a fact that most of us Boomers have seen our savings, our assets, our net worth dwindle before our eyes and most of us are not well off. I think it’s a fact that most Boomers still work, and probably will need to work —- either until we die or the ravages of age incapacitate us.  And if we are incapacitated … and if the timing is such that all the Free Shit is no longer available … then don’t worry about killing us, as I believe many will commit suicide.

Lastly, I am fully aware I have my own biases, and as we discussed in another thread from last week, “total honesty” in the trillion plus connections  organized by our highly fallible brains may not even be possible . Not only might I “not know” the truth, it is conceivable “I don’t even know that I don’t know”.  In other words, yeah, I could be full of shit. (If so, I’m sure you will inform me thereof. Lol ) But, I doubt it.

Peace

Herr StuchenBoomer

1. marissa says:

My parents were also Silent Generation. I grew up in a series of Wonder Years housing developments, each house better than the last. We never stayed anywhere more than five years as my dad kept trading up to better neighborhoods and better jobs.

Dad moved us 1,000 miles from our family roots to make more money. He abandoned my mother and I in vast suburbia, he took our only car to work every day. We had no friends or community or family because Dad was always moving us into better farflung freeway exit neighborhoods. My mother began to drink heavily. They divorced. I left ‘home’. No one cared.

My father paid into Social security in the 1950′s, 60′s, 70′s and 80′s. He’s been collecting SS payments since the early 90′s now for more than twenty years, at a rate many times surpassing what he ever paid in during his working life. Medicare has bought him THREE triple heart bypasses.

Dad has always been a huge fan of uber American materialism. Every two years a new car, the latest most expensive technology gadgets, advocate of more freeways and shopping malls and a hater of public transit, he has a minority gardener and housekeeper paid in cash–no benefits.

Helluva Silent Generation hero you are, Dad.

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20th December 2012 at 9:28 pm

2. Gayle says:

Stucky-

Thanks for the noble discourse on my generation. Just last evening my own son earnestly explained to me how the Boomers are responsible for just about all the troubles in the world. Like you, I anticipate the Nirvana that will descend upon the planet when his generation gets to be in charge.

I will defend my generation for one thing you didn’t mention: we had enough rage and energy to make an uncomfortable ruckus about a stupid war.

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20th December 2012 at 10:12 pm

3. Chronic Agitator says:

Bravo, Stucky. Thank you for this.

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20th December 2012 at 10:14 pm

4. Chronic Agitator says:

Gayle says:
“I will defend my generation for one thing you didn’t mention: we had enough rage and energy to make an uncomfortable ruckus about a stupid war.”

Gayle, I hope that was not you who made the “uncomfortable ruckus” on we returning soldiers.

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20th December 2012 at 10:21 pm

5. Stucky says:

It’s 10:25 and I’m retiring for the night.

I have a headache after writing a 5,500 word post! Actually, Ms. Freud is home and sick in bed. I need to be with her.

Hopefully in the morning there will be a nice mix of a few pro and anti boomer comments or, as Marissa did above, some of your personal experiences.

g’night

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20th December 2012 at 10:27 pm

6. Gayle says:

Chronic Agitator
I was never angry at the soldiers, only at the deranged old men who sent them.

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20th December 2012 at 10:30 pm

7. Llpoh says:

Stuck – thanks for the effort. Boomers are guilty because they fell into the trap of believing in milk and honey and the divine right of Americans to rule the world.it was a lie. Future generations will pay the price for boomer gullibility.

Some of us boomers knew better – but the masses did not. Credit cards and free shit were manna from heaven for most boomers. And they did not teach their children well.

There comes a reckoning.

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20th December 2012 at 10:37 pm

8. Stucky says:

” … the divine right of Americans to rule the world” ——— llpoh

That idea started well before Boomerism.

Manifest Destiny: — “Manifest destiny was the belief widely held by Americans in the 19th century that the United States was destined to expand across the continent.”

First conquer all America …. make a logical leap and add a few years …….. next, the world.

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20th December 2012 at 10:48 pm

9. Mike says:

Stucky,

I rarely comment on the many good articles I read here and elsewhere. This, however, was a great summary of the lives of many of us “boomers”. Except for the detailed background of your parents, I could plagiarize much of it; and hand to my own kids.

I worked from the day it was legal at 14 (NY). Later, went to college (my debt not my parents). Worked for another 40 years and was “displaced” when the last company I worked for was bought out. I think that I would have worked until I was 70; but being 62 and unemployed in 2009 wasn’t easy. My own 401K choices were disastrous (my fault along with a thoroughly corrupted stock market).
Having saved over 15% for 25 years and watch 60% evaporate was tough. Nothing is fair. I spent far too much time making the company I worked for successful than I did educating myself on protecting my future; but the buy-out made a number of people very wealthy (unfortunately- not me).

The only thing that you may have missed in your article is the blame boomers get for Medicare. Until 2011, boomers only “contributed”. We weren’t old enough to benefit. Now that it is heading toward complete bancruptcy, we get to sign up; and watch our current crop of government leaders (corrupt psychopaths) find ways to lower these unsustainable “entitlements”.

Though there are many dispicable boomers in business(especially finance) and government whom are so morally bancrupt as to destroy many to get unnecessarily wealthy, I believe that many boomers led lives more closely to that outlined in your article; in order to get to some level of middle class stability.

To watch as a 47% get something from our government and expect more is terrible. What background generated this?

I for one will never be ashamed to be a boomer.

Mike

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20th December 2012 at 10:50 pm

10. Calamity says:

Wow, there was so much lack of compassion for modern young people in your story. Which is unfortunate and is what is spreading this boomer hate in the first place. It is very arrogant to tell young people to stop whining when their struggles are real. I am a millennial and we do have a reason to be upset about the current state of the country. The biggest difference in the struggles young people face, today versus your youth, is the lack of opportunity. This goes beyond expecting to get a good job out of college, but any job.

The boomer generation is deemed selfish because they are not adjusting their expectations at all. Young people going to college are told to pay off their over inflated college loans. We are then expected to buy your houses in the suburbs, that most of us don’t want, so you can collect big on your inflated house prices. If we can’t afford it, we are choosing not to grow up and want to be teenagers forever. We are expected to pay for a large generations’ debt to the country, their self righteous wars in the middle east, their health care, their free prescription drug plans, their social security that will make it impossible for our own retirement, pay taxes, see the value of the dollar eroded, and still we are the entitle ones. My generation never promised the boomers their goodies, why should the burden to honor them be places on our shoulders?

We aren’t getting married because as another recently story on BP pointed out that men aren’t being taught to be men anymore. The feminist movement of the 60′s destroyed real men and turned them too soft. Also pop culture supported the idea of men being inferior to women. Look at how many sitcoms ( ex. Everybody loves Raymond) have portrayed men as bumbling morons who can’t be trusted to raise their kids, make decisions, and take care of their families? Our society has reinforced the idea that men can’t take care of themselves without a woman telling them what to do, and then we wonder why a lot of young men live with their mothers.

The boomers savings rate is an embarrassment. They had 40 years in the best economic times in modern history and they squandered it. Now younger generations are expect to pay for their golden years. Keep wishing. The boomer generations motto in the 60′s of “Don’t trust anyone over 30″ may be updated to “Don’t trust anyone under 30″. I’ll be damned if I am going to pay for the boomer retirement, state pensions promises, and UAW union pensions.

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20th December 2012 at 10:52 pm

11. TJF says:

Am I the only one who has no idea which artificial bucket of people they fall into?

I guess I could google it, but I have a feeling that the first ten hits would give me 10 differing opinions on where to draw the lines between the ‘generations’ and what to even call them.

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20th December 2012 at 11:32 pm

12. Demographicus says:

Thou hast not sinned as you are no Boomer.

I made a life of studying “market segments”. I’m an MBA with a quant emphasis in marketing and finance strategy. Worked for some of the most prestigious firms and clients imaginable, doing it in the C-suite.

I tell you this because most people, laymen to statistics and especially marketing statistics, get only the dumb-down, half-understood “media” version of the definition of the Baby Boom Generation. They look at a chart of births and conclude “Well, the hump goes from 1945 to 1960-something, so those are the ‘Boomers’.”

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Boomer is a marketing term, it names a segment of the consumer market that was segmentated to enable predictive analytics of consumer behavior. That is, “What kind of people will buy our stuff if we target them specifically?”

As such, “Boomers” encompass more than birthdays.

First of all, when thinking of generations, the parents’ generation is more telling than the birthday. Think of it. Maybe you are a Boomer by date but you have a much younger sibling born in the late 60s as an “Oooops!” baby.

While his upbringing will certainly reflect the customs of his cohort, the parents you share will have an inordinate influence on both your upbringings. Your sibling will not be an “Xer”. He will be something else, something not easily pigeonholed.

In your case, while your parents were certainly part of the WWII effort, they diverge from the Boomers because they were not U.S. Government Issue, so to speak.

The Boomers’ parents, the so-called/self-called “Greatest Generation” congratulated themselves for their WWII service as it was a form of validation of their largely unearned U.S. citizenship as immigrants of Ellis Island. In other words, fighting their cousins in the Old Country proved their loyalty to the Blood Americans who rejected their status quo ante.

You see, the concept of the Boomer is that their self-satisfied parents indulged them incessantly, “You’ll never want as I wanted my little babushka! You will have everything I could not!”

Throw in the sad fact of being born, steeped and infused with Soviet inspired, anti-Nazi propaganda and you have the makings for a totally screwed up generation. And they lived up to their potential.

So no, you are no Boomer and you wear none of their immense guilt.

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20th December 2012 at 11:38 pm

13. Spaceman says:

Stucky
I’ve been coming to this shithole to see what it has to offer for awhile now. Never wanted to comment before because I really don’t give a fuck what you shit throwing monkeys think one way or the other. But this, this fuckin pisses me off. I can’t even read it all. You want to know why…?
Because I’ve been thinking I needed to write something similar. That’s right. Someone with some fuckin brains and some balls has got to tell the rest of these fuckin morons who we are, why we are the way we are and that we didn’t go out and create this cluster fuck.
The Greatest Generation went thru a whole lot of shit and when we came along they were “Freaking Out Man”. Like my mom, during the war, she said you never knew when someone you grew up with and watched go to war was going to be dead. She was fucked up. Always thought me or my brothers were going to die. Flat fuckin freaked out when my older brother was drafted during the Vietnam War.
The old man, he joined up after his older brother came home from Guadalcanal w/malaria. Lucky him, he was stationed in Japan after the war ended. He got to see firsthand what it looks like when someone drops an atom bomb on your doorstep. He ended up drinking himself to death.
I’ve been thinking for awhile now what effects WW2 had on my parents, how that affected us, now I’m starting to realize that it fucked all of us up.
We are going to make things worse today if we don’t pull our heads out of our ass. Look around the country today, you think all these young men and women we’re sending off to the Middle East ain’t coming home fucked up. I sent my son to the Marine Corp right out of high school, figured it was either that or he’d end up in prison. Little shit is too smart for his own good. Now don’t get me wrong, the Corp straightened the boy out. In his first letter home to mommy he asked her, “Please apologize to Dad for me, for all the times I thought he was an asshole”. Later found out that he had 3 Drill Sergeants who were awarded the title of the biggest assholes in the world. Anyway, after invading Iraq and kicking Saddam’s ass he came home. And guess what, he was all fucked up. Now, 10 years later he’s settling down, raising a family, doing what’s right. His wife is a registered nurse working for the VA. She knows he needs to get some help, but once a Marine always a Marine. “That shit is for those that really need it”, is all he’ll say. We are a very close knit family and I know that’s one reason we ain’t all fucked up like the rest of the morons. Happy to admit that little tidbit in this dysfunctional paradise we live in today.
The point I’m trying to make is this. If anyone thinks sending our family members off to fight these bullshit wars is a good idea, they are fucked up.

Now for the rest of my rant, Please and Thank You.

If anyone thinks the Boomers are the only ones responsible for this clusterfuck, suck my nuts.
As my Dad said, “I brought you into this world and I’m going to be the one to take you out”. Fuck you, you grouchy bastard. You said I’d never make a pimple on my brother’s ass. Who the fuck thinks that’s a good fuckin idea anyway. You’re both dead, so eat shit. Always wanted to say that, doesn’t have a god dam thing to do with this conversation thou.
I never asked anyone for anything, if someone offered help and I needed it, I took it, and then tried to give it back when they needed help.
We have what we have because my wife and I worked our asses off for the last 30 some fuckin years. It ain’t much, but it’s all ours. Fuck you, to the fuckin morons who think everything was handed to us.
A big FUCK YOU to all you winey fucks who think because you graduated college you now deserve all the things my wife and I have worked for our entire lives.
Fuck You, Fuck You, Fuck You, to infinity and beyond.
I figured out the college thing was a scam 20+ years ago. Guess what, I was fuckin right. Hope you dumb asses choke on your fuckin student loans, you dumb pricks.
Get your heads out of your asses and realize that the problem starts with each and every one of us. The dickheads in charge don’t give a rat’s ass about you, me, or anybody else, just themselves. It’s not about which generation, it’s about all generations. It’s about individuals, get it…?
You think voting for the “right” candidate is going to bring change. It ain’t, not today, not tomorrow, and not ever. Only we can bring the change needed to straighten this clusterfuck out.
To all you fucked up Boomers, if you’re in deep shit because you spent your whole life “living the dream”, well welcome to your worst fuckin nightmare. To those who thought that Wall Street was going to bring you riches. How’s it looking now, dumb asses. To those who thought buying and selling bigger and bigger homes was going to make you rich. Hope you’re staying warm this winter trying to heat that fucking mansion your living in, dumb asses. To all the dumb fucks I’ve met over the years who always came up with some bullshit reason to quit a perfectly good job. Get this, I’ve got ~28 years working for the same company. Oh, the name of the company has changed several times, but I never gave up. I wouldn’t give the pricks the satisfaction. Survived 2 illnesses, one doctor said I wouldn’t live past 50. I’ll be celebrating my 58th birthday in a couple of weeks. I make almost double what I made in 2000, I have 11 paid holidays, 8 weeks of vacation per year and every other Friday off. And I worked my fuckin ass off to get it, so you can all go fuck yourself.
On a side note: My wife lost her mother from cancer when she was 7. Was adopted by a fucked up bunch of morons because her father was to busy shacking up with every whore who’d have him. Her oldest brother killed her father when she was 16 by shooting him with a 12 guage shot gun in the chest as he was trying to break down the screen door with a hammer in his hand threating to kill him. Was told we’d never have kids of our own. Now have a 30 year old son, 28 year old daughter, a great daughter in-law and 2 spoiled brats for grandson’s. Can’t win em all I guess.
Sure looks to me like we’ve been trying to figure out how to create a clusterfuck. You fuckin pricks, I was to fucking busy trying to make sure my wife and children didn’t end up on the street, that’s what the fuck I was doing.

Stucky, I didn’t mean to offend you. I’m just so damm tired of this bullshit. I really didn’t read all of your article, but I know what your intentions are. Good job for what it’s worth.

Not one of my best attempts at expressing myself I’ll admit. I’m suffering from a chest cold and it’s getting late.

Quotes from Grandpa:
“Life is pretty simple if you just let it be” and “Let the buyer beware”

As Charles Hugh Smith has said: Always ask yourself this question “To who’s benefit”

And now for the best night of sleep I’ve had in awhile.

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20th December 2012 at 11:42 pm

14. ThePessimisticChemist says:

@Spaceman – You need to smoke a blunt you fucking angry asshole boomer. <3

FWIW, I blame America as a whole. Since Boomers make up the larger part of the voting block that means they get a larger part of my ire. Its simple statistics.

I also hate our predecessors.

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20th December 2012 at 12:14 am

15. i'm with -> stupid says:

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20th December 2012 at 12:33 am

16. i'm with -> stupid says:

you read this website long enough, you’ll be a bitter person soon enough. there is no them and us, we are all moving from one age group into another. adopting ideas and discarding ideas. all i can say is, i can only thank the generation before us for the things i enjoy now. we had a good run, we didn’t squander anything, that is not the way we were taught, it just happens that we were snookered, swindled by cheats who abused the trust we placed on them. we aren’t believing too much anymore – to paraphrase another poster – when they say north, i head south

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20th December 2012 at 12:42 am

17. Colma Rising says:

BBES

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20th December 2012 at 1:10 am

18. Ditchner says:

Bravo, Stucky. I’m sure this article took you many hours and as a fellow boomer (crop of ’47) I appreciate it after reading some of the vitriol that has been posted here on several occasions.

Just a couple of weeks ago I stumbled across a VHS tape of Dr. Morris Massey titled “What You Are is What You Were When” which was used by many corporations as a management training tool. If you’ve ever seen it, just the memory will probably put a smile on your face. Massey had a great sense of humor, talked a mile a minute, and made tons of sense. The purpose of the program was to teach the various generations how to relate to each other. It should be required viewing by all (on TBP) but, alas, it’s not on Youtube and the DVD sells for $895 (yikes!) Massey explains how our individual value systems are programmed into us in our formative years (up to age 20 but mostly by age 10) based upon where and when you are born. To Massey the most defining feature of the boomer generation’s value programming was the universal presence of TV. Prior to the boomers, successive generations were not all that different from each other. But TV changed all that forever and the Fuck You attitude you described above was the result. We didn’t invent the damn thing but we sure watched it as much as our parents would allow. Ironically, we rebelled as we were coming of age, growing our hair, taking drugs, listening to music that made our parents cringe, but where do we place the blame? I always thought that it just sort of happened, but a recent book by S.K. Bain, The Most Dangerous Book in the World – 911 as Mass Ritual, infers that we were programmed by an occult following elite. The free love 60′s or the ‘do your own thing’ movement was pumped into our psyches, according to Bain, echoing the words of Aleister Crowley’s Thelema. The central philosophical concepts of Thelema are encapsulated in two phrases from Aleister Crowley’s Liber AL: “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” and “Love is the law, love under will.” Crowley was perhaps the most influential astrologer/occultist of the 19th and 20th centuries and was a strong proponent of a “New World Order”. As a Christian that fully believes in the supernatural, Bain’s treatise has given me great pause. But, I digress… Like or Dislike: 3 1 20th December 2012 at 1:14 am 19. sangell says: No boomers are to blame ( and I’m one of them) because we swallowed and then regurgitated back out so much of crap we were taught by the ‘New Left”. We accepted Affirmative Action rather than insist our laws be truly color blind. We allowed Ted Kennedy and the ‘diversity is strengthy’ crowd to open out borders to a flood of unassmilable third world immigrants forever changing the character and quality of this nations population. And last but not least we ran up the nations debt to pay for all this feel good altruism. Hot debate. What do you think? 7 3 20th December 2012 at 1:36 am 20. Reverse Engineer says: Attributing BLAME to any single generation here is positively ridiculous, one of the more ridiculous conceits that plays over and over again on the pages of TBP. Even if you just go by the Strauss & Howe theories, the 4 Act Play recurs over and over again, so Boomers are no different really then the Generation that lived during the Roaring Twenties, whatever that one was Named. I’ll call them the Gatsby Geneeration. However, during the Roaring Twenties, it really was just a fraction of the population living the Great Gatsby lifestyle, and the truth for Boomers is only a fraction of them also lived High on the Hog over these years. Plenty of Boomers will be taking their Christmas Dinner at the Salvation Army this year, and I can about guarantee next year there will be more of them there. If you wanna drop BLAME anywhere, as Stucky says, its got to be placed on the folks who have been running the Monetary System for the last 500 years minimum. The Banking System with its Booms and Busts based on the average 80 year lifespan of debt overhang is what runs every Cycle of these 4 Turnings, the only thing marginally different here is the numbers are bigger, which mainly comes from accessing the thermdynamic energy of fossil fuels and much larger population numbers. Otherwise though, the etiology of creating Irredeemable Debt is entirely the same over and over again, you should be able to see the connection in the subtext of Strauss & Howe even if you haven’t read Holling & Gunderson. Anyhow, the fundamental difference for this collapse is that we are about FRESH OUT globally of resources upon which to build another 1st Turning after this sucker collapses. If you really wanna look at the main generation that collected the most Bennies from exploiting the Earth for its resource base, that would be the Silents, not the Boomers. However, it’s not really their “fault” they got all those years Playing Golf in Florida and Driving the Diesel Pusher RVs around visiting the Grandkids either. They didn’t run the show any more than Boomers did, they just lucked out in being born at the right time in the cycle to get most of the Bennies and then head to the Great beyond just when it is all collapsing. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 15 4 20th December 2012 at 2:41 am 21. Zara says: Stucky, you are bit too mercurial for my taste but if I were really a middle aged persian woman, I would definately fuck you. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 0 20th December 2012 at 3:10 am 22. eugend66 says: Nicolaus, Beautiful writting!! And Thanks for sharing this. And now here it comes, The Mandatory …. BBES. Peace Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 9 1 20th December 2012 at 4:54 am 23. Novista says: Stucky, a most excellent essay. I happened to get caught by “a repudiation of ALL that came before”, BTDT before and here. Even back to the BBS days before the internet, seeing the “useless eaters” meme. And here, some time back, a Gen Xer with a “you olds left us a fucked-up world.” Well, I responded (not in STM mode) with a chronology of milestones in my life. Born 1936. Great Depression. World War Two. Korea. Cold War. MAD. Peacetime draft. Cuban missile crisis. JFK. RFK. MLK. And other shit … bridging the gap. The Xer never responded but llpoh did. I was “whining”. Funny, must be in the eye of the beholder, a sequence without personal interpretation …. I guess the point is, there has never been a generation that did not have problems to face, part of a chain that came from the past. LOL, I remember an ancient Egyptian tomb inscription: “The young are going to the dogs.” Nothing new under the sun; generational warfare is forever. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 10 1 20th December 2012 at 7:29 am 24. Welshman says: Good Rant, Herr Stucky Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 8 0 20th December 2012 at 8:03 am 25. Clownbucks says: Thanks,Stucky! (I’m a ’48′er) I’m sick to death of the media portraying every Boomer as a participant in Woodstock. I’ve worked since I was 16 to earn money for school and was working in a hospital lab as Woodstock was hopping. No one I knew did anything but work since no one’s parents had money enough to blow on nonessentials. Daddy’s money paid for Woodstock and all those Spring Break vacations the media touts as the Boomer’s past. The same rich kids are now the same financial criminals and political hacks grooming their rich children and their rich grandchildren for more country-wide screwups, wars, and greed. Royalty and entitlement didn’t stop with the Revolution. It just changed hands. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 0 20th December 2012 at 9:02 am 26. Olga says: I appreciate your essay – thanks for sharing. I was born in 1960 and the “boomer” handle has never felt appropriate but I have always had trouble reconciling the criticisms of the boomers with my own observations about their (our) parents’ motivations and desires. I read “The Greatest Generation” a long time ago and thought then it was simplistic and self-serving – as if the only thing necessary for greatness was rolling up sleeves and biting bullets when backed into a corner – no mention of any big picture thinking or long term planning regarding the morality of materialism and its corollary, resource allocation. The business of America WAS business and that preordained materialism to the highest alter and people who applied themselves deserved all the material benefits money could buy. I kept coming back to the concept that so much of the foundation of our nation’s problems were already firmly in place by the time the boomers came along – the pig in the python played by the existing rules and only by virtue of scale did they make things worse. You articulated those concepts brilliantly. And now the boomer leaders are as corrupt as leaders get – perhaps self-selection, perhaps idealism gone south, or perhaps the corrupt leaders of one generation selecting/mentoring/guiding/bribing the most corruptible future leaders of the up-coming generation – but never-the-less – the continuation of resource wealth-harvesting to a small group of elites will continue unabated. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 8 0 20th December 2012 at 9:06 am 27. Eddie says: People of any generation have tendency to indulge themselves is two very unproductive behaviors. They want to JUSTIFY their own beliefs and actions, regardless of whether they are right or wrong….and they want to LAY BLAME on something or somebody else for whatever they perceive is wrong in the world. “Excuses are like assholes. Everybody has one, and they all stink.” —— U.S. Marine Corps proverb Really a good post Stuck. Of course, nobody’s mind will be changed. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 8 1 20th December 2012 at 9:35 am 28. sparrowhawk says: This Be The Verse by Phillip Larkin They fuck you up, your mum and dad They may not mean to but they do. They pass on all the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another’s throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 10:29 am 29. Stucky says: Quick general thoughts. 1– What a pleasant morning surprise! So many great comments. I was afraid, due to the very wordiness of the rant, that few would read it. 2- One is so fuckin’ pissed they can’t read the article, one thinks I don’t understand young people, others think I hit the nail on the head. A VERY good day for an OP!! 3– Zara, right back atchya. For old times’ sake, could you please post the pic of your former lovely self? I sooooo miss “her”. 4– Where are the hardcore anti-Boomers? Colma can only muster a weak “BBES”. Admin is strangely silent. SAH must be on vacation. Oh, foe, where art thou? Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 2 20th December 2012 at 10:33 am 30. Stucky says: Spaceman I’m glad my thread was able to pull you out of your shell. You seem to be shy and unable to express your feelings. lol And you cuss better than me! Nothing in your post offended me. Don’t be a stranger. Like or Dislike: 2 1 20th December 2012 at 10:46 am 31. Stucky says: “Wow, there was so much lack of compassion for modern young people in your story. “ —Calamity The post is mostly about Boomers and The Greatest Generation, not young people. Maybe you missed my comment, — “I am NOT against the younger generation. I love ‘em. I feel I have more in common with my emotionally troubled son than with most Boomers in my life.” I have two 20-year-olds, and I fear greatly for their future. Pardon me, but you don’t know dick about my compassion. ——————— “Which is unfortunate and is what is spreading this boomer hate in the first place. “ —Calamity This supposed lack of compassion is the root cause of “boomer hate”? We don’t feel sorry enough?? Wow. It’s much deeper than that. ——————— “It is very arrogant to tell young people to stop whining when their struggles are real” —Calamity It has nothing to do with “young people”. I would tell anyone, regardless of age, to stop whining. Please list for me just three benefits to whining. Remember: Life isn’t fair. Get over it. Do something about it. Hot debate. What do you think? 6 3 20th December 2012 at 11:16 am 32. juan says: stucky, my life flashes before my eyes just reading this. i have a thousand comments to make but there isn’t time enough. i’d just like to note that a lot of boomers may well have been first generation americans. it is generally second generation americans who wrap themselves with the flag, like the cowardly lion, and proclaim immigrants to be scum. third generation citizens would not have the insecurity to claim an unearned superiority. Like or Dislike: 3 1 20th December 2012 at 11:18 am 33. Stucky says: “ … the most defining feature of the boomer generation’s value programming was the universal presence of TV. Prior to the boomers, successive generations were not all that different from each other. But TV changed all that forever and the Fuck You attitude you described above was the result. We didn’t invent the damn thing but we sure watched it as much as our parents would allow.” —————— Ditchner I was hoping someone would bring up Television. Nice job! Many agree with you …. “boomers are the first generation to be raised on television, called by some a “surrogate parent” …… and, “the first generation to be targeted aggressively and consistently by the advertising world” …….. and, “television is the institution that solidified their sense of generational identity more than any other”. But I didn’t include because it wasn’t part of my own story. We didn’t have a TV until I was 10 years old. And then I was only allowed to watch a few hours per week. Controlling the boob tube was one of the greatest things my parents ever did for me (although at the time I did not agree with their decision. Lol). Hot debate. What do you think? 6 2 20th December 2012 at 11:35 am 34. Stucky says: “I will defend my generation for one thing you didn’t mention: we had enough rage and energy to make an uncomfortable ruckus about a stupid war.” —- Gayle Good point! I do often wonder there are no anti-war protests in this generation. The only thing I can come up with that makes sense is that during Vietnam there was a draft. They dead were forced to die. There is no draft today so, I guess those lives don’t matter? The other possible reason might be Apathy. Who cares … as long as they keep making new iPods! Hot debate. What do you think? 5 3 20th December 2012 at 11:57 am 35. Doug says: You’re so different from the typical “boomer” stereotype you say – with over 5,000 words of whining. Hmm, seems pretty boomerish to me. As for your$50k – it’s gone for good and the government is bankrupt. If you receive one dollar of it (and I’m sure you’ll get quite more than that,) it will be borrowed in the names of the unborn, or taken from my generation at the point of a gun.

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20th December 2012 at 12:03 pm

36. Stucky says:

Doug

Here are just two words.

Blow me.

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20th December 2012 at 12:27 pm

37. ThePessimisticChemist says:

@Stucky – The reason people do not protest the wars is pretty genius.

First, this is a “war on terror”, and our schools are so good at indoctrinating that pretty much all young people believe this nonsense.

Secondly, and most importantly: Anyone who says ANYTHING negative about the wars is quickly labeled as someone who doesn’t “support the troops.” You aren’t a patriot if you say ANYTHING negative about the wars, and if you aren’t a patriot then you aren’t worth listening to.

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20th December 2012 at 12:27 pm

38. Colma Rising says:

Make no mistake: What you howdy-doody-loving blubbering brats percieve as whining is your asses being called out.

I’ll bookmark this specious nostalgic rationalization of an article for a further breakdown later, as I am extremely busy. I may have time at lunch to start.

BBES

Simple, elegant and a solid thesis.

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20th December 2012 at 12:49 pm

39. Spaceman says:

ThePessimisticChemist says:

@Spaceman You need to smoke a blunt you fucking angry asshole boomer. <3

I am not angry you little dick, I think of myself as being extremely passionate.

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20th December 2012 at 12:55 pm

40. Stucky says:

Colma Rising

Can’t wait to read your “breakdown”. Always nice to get the perspective from someone whose mind is full of rage and hate.

CRES

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20th December 2012 at 12:59 pm

41. juan says:

typical left-handed fast food loving clunker driving e-moronic size 11W running shoe wearing dog poop in the neighbor’s yard tossing classical music listening snow loving east coast reactioanary white midlle class intellectual intuitive/reflexive yadda yadda boomer, yep, we’re all the same

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20th December 2012 at 1:23 pm

42. Micro-Be says:

I agree with Calamity in principle with regards to the burden placed upon our generations’ back. Why wouldn’t the current generation blame the fiscal situation on the previous 2-3 generations with the Boomers getting the most ire, as TPC stated?

How are the Millennials expected to carry on? The generation as a whole is expected to pay off college loans, pay for the increase in social safety net spending, continue consumer spending at ever increasing rates, fund endless wars, fund endless entitlements, while hoping to have their own family and having to save for their own retirement. And all this on wages that are shrinking along with increased rates of inflation. Add to this the increased amount of competition for jobs via legal and illegal immigration. Even the STEM fields are being robbed by H-1B visas and what not. It seems our previous generations were so concerned about the earnings for each successive quarterly report that they forgot they were selling out entire generations. It just doesn’t add up. The economy isn’t growing, it’s shrinking.

It wasn’t like the Millennials chose their fate, we just woke up one day with the reality that others had enslaved us, argue about the perpetrators and reasons all you’d like.

I feel sorry for anyone that lost a lot of their retirement money via the stock market crash but in this case there is probably plenty of Schadenfreude from the Millennials towards the Boomers et al.

May peace find us all.

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20th December 2012 at 1:44 pm

43. juan says:

that story about the missing social security funds reminds me of the scene in ‘dumb and dumber’ where the two louts explain that they haven’t squandered the money, they wrote IOU’s for everything they spent. i recall an article that i can’t find, the maestro expalining to bush, we can make it for as much as you want, as long as you want but we can’t make it worth anything, referring to the social security funds they had borrowed.

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20th December 2012 at 2:06 pm

44. Kill Bill says:

I wonder how it is that my ex-wife, and X’er and my daughter, a M’ll, dont whine like Colma does. Colma called me a non-conformist the other night.

Well no shit. I wont ever conform to teary eyed nasaly tirades from the sociopathic, empathy devoid Lanza-esque era. And make no mistake you spineless puddle of fecal gruel you are one of him.

And you are a whiny little bitch because that IS how I perceive you. Cry me a river and then, you snot nosed techno punk, SMBBD

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20th December 2012 at 2:16 pm

45. juan says:

They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?” “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Warning, the following may shake the foundations of your fantasy world! The money is not yours once you hand it over to the IRS. You can make a claim for benefits from the social security admin but you are not collecting on any money you’ve paid. If you qualify, you may collect a monthly benefit. The system relies on taxes collected from workers, that is true. The claim some might make that: i pay your social security is as specious as a person yelling at a cop, i pay your salary! No, you don’t, you pay taxes. Caesar pays the cops, and he pays our social security benefits.

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20th December 2012 at 2:17 pm

46. Kill Bill says:

It wasn’t like the Millennials chose their fate, we just woke up one day with the reality that others had enslaved us, -MB

Others enslaved you?

Get off your fucking spineless ass you simpering slave. It is YOU that allowed yourself to think of yourself as a slave and Its is YOU that is going to have to stick a cob up your pasted ass, to imitate a spine, and DO SOMETHING.

SMBBD

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20th December 2012 at 2:20 pm

47. Micro-Be says:

Yep, others enslaved me, that is right. If I want to participate in the system I have to pay a hefty fee at gun point to participate because of the burden amassed before I was a tax paying adult. The fee is the high price of trying to work for a living. If you don’t participate in the system well, good luck to you! It is true that one can go underground and earn a living that way but of course that comes with risks. Spare me the self-aggrandizing heroic “you’re a bum” tirade, you sound like a broken record. The point is people are actually trying to do something but there is so much inefficiency legislated in the system and so much money taken from the private sector that doing something is a large task for those just starting out. Not to mention the competition between those that already have work experience and those that do not.

Peace to you, Bill.

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20th December 2012 at 2:35 pm

48. Colma Rising says:

Oh boooo hoooo hoooo Bill, cry me a river and stfu… and you can keep your shrivelled bbd to yourself there Charlie Manson. Your incessant and nearly rabid ignorance is getting tiresome.

Almost as laughable as Stucky calling me “Rage and hate filled”.

Much like the typical Boomer, Stuchy projects his own issues.

Quit whining and get used to it. Blubbering, thumb-sucking babies.

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20th December 2012 at 3:18 pm

49. juan says:

there was a song school children sang, freedom isn’t free. there was a time before the volunteer military when americans were required to sacrifice not only a portion of their earnings but their lives or the lives of their loved ones. if you are alive and residing in the united states and you have a legal status, whether by birth or by naturalization, you have and obligation to the nation to pay taxes on your earnings. your citizenship buys you a ticket to live here. it doesn’t buy you a ticket to live off the people here. you belong to the land, the land does not belong to you. if you don’t believe me, try emmigrating someday.

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20th December 2012 at 3:18 pm

50. Stucky says:

Gubmint Liar speaking to you; “You MUST pay FICA or suffer penalties. We’re gonna let you THINK it’s an entitlement. But, it’s not. What we give, we can take away anytime. We can also change the rules whenever we want. We don’t need permission. And we can make it retroactive. But thanks for playing. Now, fuck off, serf!” ……. Details below.

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“There has been a temptation throughout the program’s history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense.… Congress clearly had no such limitation in mind when crafting the law. … Benefits which are granted at one time can be withdrawn.…”
………………………………. http://www.justfacts.com/socialsecurity.basics.asp
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“The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to the Congress.”
………………………………. section 1104 of the 1935 Social Security Act

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Supreme Court Case, 1960, Fleming v. Nestor. The Supremes upheld the decision to deny benefits to Nestor ….. even though he had paid into the program for 19 years and was already receiving benefits. Supremes therefore established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits “is not a contractual right.”

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And you young ‘uns don’t think we were lied to?? Ha! As I said, we’re all in this together. From the very inception of SS, it has been an abuse of all Americans of ALL generations, a textbook case why we can never, never trust the government.

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20th December 2012 at 3:34 pm

51. ThePessimisticChemist says:

@Spaceman – “I think of myself as being extremely passionate.”

Thats what angry people always say.

@KB – “Get off your fucking spineless ass you simpering slave. It is YOU that allowed yourself to think of yourself as a slave and Its is YOU that is going to have to stick a cob up your pasted ass, to imitate a spine, and DO SOMETHING.”

With everything my wife and I have accomplished we are STILL just barely making it. Our IQs are well above average, and are both hard workers, putting in an average of 50 hours a week at our primary job, and another 10 or so at our second job (yes, we both work two jobs).

In short, I’ve “done something.”

I got lucky. Despite everything I have going for me, the last recession(2009) almost broke me. I stared that $20 in the face and thought, “bills, or food?” Bills won out. I ended up stealing extra helping from the hospital cafeteria to make up the difference. I’m not proud of it, but thats about the only way me and my wife ate that winter. Who knows what this recession will bring. I starved and saved all through the last one, and wouldn’t you believe it but I think I’ll be OK in this one, thanks to deliberately placing myself in a company that will not fail (barring natural disasters). We can’t all get recession proof jobs. We can’t all get STEM degrees. The economy has completely failed my generation, and its pretty damned hard to absorb all the blame ourselves for being lazy when the jobs aren’t there to begin with. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 0 20th December 2012 at 3:54 pm 52. ragman says: Stucky: this was as well written as any post published on TBP. Shallow grumpy-butts blame everyone else for their problems and shortcomings(and you two know exactly who you are). Like you, I apologize for nothing in this life. Hot debate. What do you think? 5 4 20th December 2012 at 3:59 pm 53. backwardsevolution says: Stucky – enjoyed your story very much. Thank you for writing it. “Well, it’s all right, riding around in the breeze. Well, it’s all right, if you live the life you please.” How many are living the life they please? Here’s a song for you, Stucky. Dylan, Harrison, Orbison, Petty. It’s got some good advice for others too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqhdRs4jyA Your mom and dad, they did the best job they could with what they knew. I know you understand this now. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 4:00 pm 54. anonymous says: This was informative, stucky, so thank you. I’ve been critical of boomers in posts that got some ‘thumbs up’ on this site before, and this does temper my views somewhat. One interesting point is that I can relate to your upbringing more than I can relate to that of my fellow millenials in many ways. Both of my parents experienced real hardships and traumas in their youth and had to work *very* hard for their eventual middle class success. I was raised very strictly early in my life and your list of things boomers heard growing up is about 90% familiar to me from my childhood. Maybe this is why I’ve always been an outlier among my peers in terms of rebelliousness and emotional intensity (with the non-optional good education I received keeping me from ending up in jail or dead from drug addiction in a ditch like most intense males nowadays). While I’m definitely not a ‘hardcore boomer-hater,’ I am very critical at times and would like to briefly clarify what drives me to communicate stuff like that over the internet. First, criticism of boomers should not be interpreted as giving a pass to bad behavior of other human beings, or as a replacement for other analysis based on class, monetary policy, etc etc. Furthermore, my frustration with my own millennial generation is AT LEAST equal to what I feel toward boomers. And believe me, living and working in NYC and Boston metro area since around 2005, I’ve personally called out or clowned on SO MANY of my peers for their ridiculous groupthink, lame addiction to superficial consumer tech, lack of depth in any area of life, laziness, entitlement, etc. etc… But the bottom line for me is that the boomers are generally in power now, setting the tone culturally, and regardless of WHY they are how they are… THEY’RE HORRIBLE! I’ve had so, so many bad experiences with this age/cultural group over my 30 years that there is truly no going back. I’m just being honest here, not pretending this is ‘right’ or ‘fair’. When I first started looking into fourth turning and generational analysis of history, all it really did was explain to me why that giant cluster of people I already hated with all my soul existed, and give it a name so I could talk about it. On your theme of “Life isn’t fair. Get over it. DO something about it.” If this dog-eat dog advice is the best you can offer the next generation, then expect them to vote you under the bus the second they can and let you wither away in some kind of section 8 nightmare out of sight out of mind. If the world is a twisted, bad place where you have to look out for number 1, which seems to be a popular boomer view, then fine: we’ll just screw you guys every way we can for our own personal gain. I wonder if those same ‘life isn’t fair’ boomer parents will stick to that worldview when the shit really starts hitting the fan and their fat, weak asses and useless paper assets really get a chance to shine. Sorry your guys had a fucked up childhood.. but you done passed the fucked-up on to your offspring. “You guys are gonna fuck up too, lol, just wait and see” is not a send-off to be proud of.. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 1 20th December 2012 at 4:08 pm 55. Stucky says: “Almost as laughable as Stucky calling me “Rage and hate filled”. Much like the typical Boomer, Stuchy projects his own issues.” ———- Colma No doubt I hate a lot of shit, and it enrages me. That’s well documented. But, I’m in good company with … well, with just about EVERYONE here. But, here’s the deal champ, I’m talking about GENERATIONS!!! (Do you always have difficulty understanding Context?) Anyway, let’s play a game. It’s called, “Who hates more?”. The rules are simple. 1)– Colma finds every instance where Stucky says angry, hateful things about any non-Boomer generation. Find all instances where Stucky blames them, wishes them ill or dead, tells them to eat shit, says they are worthless fucks, and so on. 2)– Stucky finds every instance where Colma says angry, hateful things about only Boomers. Find all instances where Colma blames them, wishes them ill or dead, tells them to eat shit, says they are worthless fucks, and so on. You don’t really want to go there, do you? You won’t find any instances about my “hate and rage”. Why? Because I do not hate any Generations. You, otoh, would be torched and embarrassed. It’ll be easy to come up with another 5k word post hanging you with YOUR words only … because you can’t control yourself when you see the word ‘Boomer”. Everyone here has been pretty damn decent. Calamity didn’t agree with me at all, but did so in a constructive way. Spaceman was so pissed he couldn’t even read the article, but he was pissed in a constructive way. Then YOU show up with your typical “eat shit” comment. Then YOU shit on contributors and call them “blubbering brats”. So, who is the hater? Pretty soon you’ll try to get under my skin with Sticky-this or Stuchen-that. Save yourself the effort, you can’t piss me off. I know who and what you are. Hot debate. What do you think? 6 5 20th December 2012 at 4:20 pm 56. backwardsevolution says: And we are doing precisely what the elite want – fighting amongst each other for the spoils, blaming each other. Time to step way, way, way back; get up in the clouds. Now have a look down, and take it all in. Throughout all of history there has been an elite (monarchy/dictators) who have used terror, force, propaganda, manipulation, lies – you get the picture. We have been had!!!!! All of us, my parents, grandparents, and on down the line. We settled, believed and got HAD. That’s what’s happened. There was never really anything in it for any of us; we just thought there was. Don’t blame each other. Let’s work together to change it so that this never ever occurs again. We have democracy? Yeah, right, not even close. Change it! Like or Dislike: 5 1 20th December 2012 at 4:20 pm 57. Colma Rising says: Lol Stuch! YES! Let’s play! You might not want to do that, after all, why did you change your name?? Oh, that’s right…. You definitely don’t want to go there, because you’ll lose. Big time. So please, let’s play. Because you’re a big, rage filled sociopathic, racist, deluded and two-faced prick and it wouldn’t take long to prove it. Not only that, but you’ll break down far faster than many think. You’re unstable, and that’s a fact. Game on, fat man? Hot debate. What do you think? 7 5 20th December 2012 at 4:29 pm 58. Stucky says: backwardsevolution Good lord … do I ever love the Traveling Wilbury’s!! Thank you. Like or Dislike: 3 3 20th December 2012 at 4:32 pm 59. Stucky says: Colma I’ll just bet it gets under your skin that so many people enjoyed the article. Eh? Admit it boy. lol The game was a rhetorical device to make people think about your accusation. The regulars here KNOW that I don’t hate young people. The regulars here KNOW that you absolutely hate Boomers. These are two facts. I have nothing to prove. You have everything to prove .. that’s why you’re so eager to play … and with such MACHISMO!! “ … you’re a BIG, RAGE FILLED SOCIOPATHIC, RACIST, DELUDED AND TWO-FACED PRICK UNSTABLE FAT MAN …” ———– Colma Rising You see, I don’t even have to play the “Who hates more game”. You just hung yourself with a couple sentences. GAME, SET, MATCH. You lose. Hot debate. What do you think? 7 4 20th December 2012 at 4:49 pm 60. Administrator says: This is getting good. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 17 0 20th December 2012 at 5:06 pm 61. i'm with ->stupid says: you read this website long enough, you’ll be a bitter person soon enough. there was that old boomer who could turn a phrase better than huck finn’s daddy, i miss him sometimes, when i read posters desperately searching for insults. as it is i count only four here 1. big, fat 2. two-faced, unstable 3. rage filled, rascist 4. deluded, sociopath not even february and you are getting valentines, stucky Like or Dislike: 0 1 20th December 2012 at 5:34 pm 62. Colma Rising says: “I do not hate generations”…. -Stuchy This is going to be good. I can’t wait to get to the laptop….. You may as well start early, StuchenBOOMER. Narrowing the contest to “Generational Hatred” is not in the cards. So solly…. I try to feel bad for you, but it is clear: You’re manic episode will land you in the pillow house….. again. You might have to stay up late, Administrator. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 5 20th December 2012 at 5:51 pm 63. Stucky says: “On your theme of “Life isn’t fair. Get over it. DO something about it.” If this dog-eat dog advice is the best you can offer the next generation …..” Anonymous First, nice post. What advice would you give to someone who is unhappy and complains about their bad fortune in life? Boomer parents were people of few words … especially the men who came back from the war. “When I say jump you don’t ask “why” you ask “how high”! “ Yessir!” Maybe Utes today need to be more mollycoddled. . “Yes, things really are tough, I agree. But we need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves … whenever you’re ready, of course. Then we can make an Action Plan. We’ll do some self-analysis so we can start feeling better about ourselves. We’ll replace negative bad emotions with good happy ones to boost your self esteem. Then we’ll list all the things – action items, you see –we need to do to start prospering in life. We’ll list pros and cons for each action item, categorize them, decide which date it will be completed, and also prioritize them. You know the old saying … if you fail to plan, plan to fail. Then we’ll join a networking group, one with actual human beings … let’s get your name out there buster! Then we’ll go do some social internet networking. Let’s try to get 1000 people to friend you, and then you ask them to tell 3 of their friends to friend you and so on and before you know it 100,000 people will know you’re looking for a job. We’ll start going to church and ask Jeebus or some other higher power to grant you the keys to the universe. They belong to you. You’re made of stardust, dontchya know! We’ll buy that cool book The Secret, and maybe we can just speak your job into existence. We’re not leaving any stone unturned, boy! You feeling better yet? No?? OK, how ‘bout we also get all the Free Shit we can get from your Uncle Sam. You can make like thirty grand a year just on free shit. What else you need?Just tell me. I’m here for ya. I feel your pain. Anything?” You also mention some dislike for the ‘looking out for number one” point of view. It seems to me that that’s exactly the world we live in. Do you see a different world? Like or Dislike: 4 3 20th December 2012 at 5:53 pm 64. Colma Rising says: I actually enjoyed the article, though. Kinda like a nostalgic documentary that when it’s over, you can’t help but shake your head because you know the film maker’s a basket case. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 5 20th December 2012 at 5:55 pm 65. Colma Rising says: Hey Admin: Say the word and I’ll go easy later. I know he’s an old-schooler and I don’t want to shake cages too much. Well, I do, but you know: No Wholes Barred and all. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 5 20th December 2012 at 6:00 pm 66. TeresaE says: I don’t hate any generational group, there are good and bad, statist and anarchist, in all of them. I’ve decided to reserve my hate for the following: ANY dumb ass, conformist, silent, non-participating, lazy, greedy, criminal, sociopathic, beholden, captured, American citizen. Those people went to the polls and RE-FUCKING-ELECTED the EXACT same people that were fucking us over. Those citizens screamed for more. So, I’ll keep it simple, I’m calling these idiots DACS, for short. They are Dumb-Ass-Conformist-Sheep, and their group has consisted of Silents, Greatest, Boomers, X’ers, Millenials, etc, and so forth. DACS are the ones demanding more laws. DACS are the ones refusing to hold their officials accountable. DACS are ageless, genderless and not politically-affiliated. We can point fingers and blame welfare moms, single parent households, union teachers, Boomers, whomever. Doesn’t change a freaking thing. It isn’t one isolated group of people, it is DACS from EVERY walk of life, EVERY socioeconomic group, EVERY religion, EVERY generation, EVERY political bent. DACS are fucking us up, not boomers, not silents, not X’ers. But, what do I know. Beautifully done Stuck. Kudos. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 12 0 20th December 2012 at 6:03 pm 67. howard in nyc says: Stucky Wrote: “…we invented Afro’s…” um, whatcha mean ‘we’, kimosabe? very nice article. as i have been known to criticize my fellow boomer generation, one point i want to state in response to your essay. our parents, the greatest generation if you want to call them that, are not to be blamed for the ills of our BB generation. not one bit. first, the generational parental behavior of that cohort is determined by conditions. to whatever extent they ‘spoiled’ our generation, they did so because they could. all parents want to provide a safe, pleasant, even luxurious childhood for their offspring. the parents of silents did not have this option; it was the depression. our parents lived in an era of plenty. they shared it with their kids. this historic fact, i think, is much more important in why boomers were ‘spoiled’ than any values differences between one generation of parents and another. to cite a personal anecdote, during most of my teenaged years, money was tight because we were moving up the ‘ol socioeconomic ladder. the mortgage for a modest house in a great neighborhood with great schools and no crime consumed a huge portion of my folks’ take home pay. my sister and i were not spoiled, because there was nothing left over with which to spoil. by my late teen/early adult years, my folks had better cash flow (those years of double-digit inflation in the 70s weren’t all bad; there was significant inflation of wages as well). my parents, with their same individual and generational values, bought me some damn nice things. i was spoiled as an 18yo because my folks could; when i was 12, they couldn’t. boomer parents spoiled because they could; silents parents didn’t spoil because it was the depression. can’t blame the parents for that. another point, as many other have pointed out, stuck you are not a typical boomer. that not taking it personally when someone says ‘all boomers suck’–maybe i can help you on that. wait, i can’t. i still take those ‘n-words’ personally when they get dropped. (except by quinn–i know he is secretly a n***er lover) Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 10 0 20th December 2012 at 6:35 pm 68. Stucky says: Colma You’ve never stated a clear reason why boomers ‘eat shit’, now is your chance, and the only thing you are bent on doing is being a dick. I do understand your handicap; I bring brains to the debate and you come unarmed. But if you spent half as much time cultivating your mind as you do growing your pecs and fondling yourself you actually become smarter than a fifth grader. Write what you will, I am done with you. Really. Christmas is almost here. Baby Jeebus is in the crib a few feet from me. He told me to stop flinging shit, but rather bring tidings of great joy to the peeps. Hot debate. What do you think? 7 3 20th December 2012 at 6:56 pm 69. Stucky says: howard It was very hard to write that story without it coming across that I was placing blame. I tried, but I may have failed. I used to blame my folks for my travails. I stopped that quite some time ago. They did the best they could. Like or Dislike: 4 1 20th December 2012 at 7:19 pm 70. flash says: Great read Stuck.you hit a home run with this one, but evoked some memories I’d rather forget.. stucky- “Quit acting like a bum!” KaPow!! (We boomer kids got wacked …. A LOT) And. no pulled punches either…I knew more drunken “greatest generation ” assholes than I care to remember. They won the great war or so we’re told and unto time immemorial will be heroes. Morons have a dire need for heroes , elsewise they might have to put thought into their own actions and existence. the greatest. Like or Dislike: 4 1 20th December 2012 at 7:26 pm 71. anonymous says: stucky, I think we’re in agreement for the most part. On top of what we’re discussing, I think there’s an additional issue of poor communication between boomers and millenials, which is definitely more of an emergent problem than anything that can be easily blamed on a single group. some of this is just context. If the 30-year old, cynical, questioning, out-there, weed-smoking version of these boomers was delivering this “get real, take responsibility” message it would be one thing.. but the 60-ish year old, overweight, high net worth (relative to younger gens) overly self-serious people that *many* boomers have become can’t deliver this advice without it seeming overbearing and ungenerous. as for the dog eat dog world – yes, that dynamic is always in play for every animal on this planet, but consensus-based cooperation and voluntary, supportive peer groups are more effective and higher forms of socialization. It seems backward to get to such a high level of technology and societal organization, yet defy out basic evolutionary(or god-given) nature as social beings – acting within our highly complex society with the basic strategy of a much more primitive animal. As our over-financialized, too-warlike global economy starts to falter, many millennials’ initial impulse is to protest to the effect that we could do more if we organized in a more fair, cooperative way (see occupy). While the boomers’ response was mixed, their general attitude seems to be ‘hey we tried that, it doesn’t work.’ I’d probably say the same thing in their shoes.. but in context, again, it becomes frustrating. Smarter millennials know that DOG EAT DOG DOESN’T WORK EITHER!! 1980s-present was a BUBBLE. all that coke-fueled corporate aggression was a SHAM!! furthermore, boomers as a group are a huge entrenched interest, and will be perceived as supporting the status quo for their own benefit as deteriorating economic conditions have taken out those lower than them on the totem pole disproportionately… many factors combining to set these generations against one another. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 7:35 pm 72. Administrator says: Stuck Sorry it took me until now to read your article, but I was busy drinking last night and recovering today. Fantastic story. Your life story captures all of the generational theory at a personal level that Strauss & Howe capture at a generational level. We are formed by events, our space in history, the generational time frame we share, and the generations on all sides of us. You’ve lived three quarters of a generational saeculum. No generation is all good or all bad. But, like it or not, when a cohort of 76 million moves in a certain direction it will change the course of history. The Boomer generation was always going to revolt against their Greatest Generation parents. That was a given. This is one of the reasons the frugal debt averse GI generation created a free spending, low saving, debt loving Boomer generation. Millions of Boomers like yourself may have lived frugally, but the majority did not. The numbers do not lie. You noted that Boomers did not start SS or Medicare. That is true. But you also noted that Boomers took the reins of government and corporate America around 1989. That was 23 years ago. The Boomer Generation is still controlling the reins of power today. The national debt in 1989 was$2.8 trillion and unfunded liabilities were manageable. The Boomer generation has to bear a large part of the responsibility for what has happened since 1989.

You also mentioned student loan debt and Boomers paying. Not entirely accurate. The reason that student loans cannot be written off in a personal bankruptcy is because hundreds of thousands of Boomers hid in college to avoid Vietnam and when the war was over defaulted on their student loans. Congress responded by making student loan debt non-dischargeable.

You also mention that Boomers should be able to get back what they paid into SS and Medicare. The facts are that Boomers will get two times as much as they paid into SS and three times as much as they paid into Medicare on average. Boomers will not be the losers. The younger generations will be the losers.

I don’t hate Boomers. As a generation I wish they were better at math. And as a generation currently leading the country, I wish they had more courage. The individual Boomers who frequent this site are not the Boomers who I have a problem with. Those Boomers would never come to this site. They are out leasing a new BMW and believe we have a housing recovery.

But to reiterate. Absolutely great story, on par with your Occupy Wall Street article.

Peace to all TBP Boomers.

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20th December 2012 at 7:53 pm

73. Stucky says:

anon

I agree we pretty much agree. +1 on the “poor communication” issues.

I meant the ‘”get over it advice” in only the nicest way. You may know my beloved Ms Freud is a psychologist, mostly family issues. She buys 2 boxes of tissues per week ….. men and women, crying, crying, woe is me, my life sucks, what can I do …. I mean that IS the gist of it.

She’s been reading this thread and she agrees with me. (haha!!) Seriously, she said that’s pretty much what family counseling comes down to; 1– realize you are not the only person with these problems, 2 –go ahead and cry, 3– at some point you must stop crying, 4 — now let’s do something to help you move on. Simple, eh? But people don’t get it …. and she makes good money trying to help people get it … some do, most don’t.

Great observations in your dog-eat-dog paragraph. Great to know that “smarter millennials” realize what a bullshit way that is to live. I hope like hell they can figure out a better way … we Boomers certainly didn’t. Maybe then my two kids and three grandkids will actually have a nice future.

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20th December 2012 at 8:01 pm

74. AWD says:

I’m really not up to getting into a brawl about boomers. I appreciate your efforts, Stuck, and do not wish to denigrate your work. My views are well known.

Did boomers result in the massive increase in debt? (living selfishly beyond one’s means)
Did boomers result in the massive increase in divorce? (women’s rights)
Did boomers result in the war on drugs? (and massive increase in incarceration)
Did boomers result in welfare state, the dissolution of the family, out of wedlock births, and more than $16 trillion spent on poverty? I don’t know, but the dates and facts speak for themselves. Hot debate. What do you think? 6 2 20th December 2012 at 8:12 pm 75. Reverse Engineer says: It’s nice to know there are a few constants you can depend on in life. Colma was a Jackass when I left TBP, and he’s still a Jackass. Anyhow Stuck, you mind if I cross post this artcile on the Diner? RE Hot debate. What do you think? 7 4 20th December 2012 at 8:13 pm 76. Olga says: The reason that student loans cannot be written off in a personal bankruptcy is because hundreds of thousands of Boomers hid in college to avoid Vietnam and when the war was over defaulted on their student loans. Congress responded by making student loan debt non-dischargeable. ================================== I’m not saying this is not the reason student debt became non-dischargeable but my memory of that time is not the best and I’d like to see a bit of back-up. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_08/the_nondischargeability_of_stu039480.php Like or Dislike: 1 0 20th December 2012 at 8:20 pm 77. Stucky says: Admin Wow. Thanks. I was actually thinking you hated the article so much that you decided better to not comment. Yea, I’m that insecure. lol “The Boomer generation has to bear a large part of the responsibility for what has happened since 1989″ I cannot argue with that. No, not at all. Thanks for taking the time to point out some other inaccuracies. Great stuff. “I don’t hate Boomers” Like or Dislike: 5 1 20th December 2012 at 8:20 pm 78. AWD says: Boomers on SS and Medicare will kill us from above. 100 million on welfare, and 30 million government employee parasites will destroy us from below. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 9 1 20th December 2012 at 8:20 pm 79. Stucky says: RE No, I don’t mind. It would be an honor. Like or Dislike: 5 1 20th December 2012 at 8:22 pm 80. anonymous says: Hey, when shit gets tough like it’s starting to right now, we all need to bitch and moan a little. Thanks for reading and responding, and let’s hope that hardship brings out our more human qualities regardless of our position in life. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 8:23 pm 81. AWD says: One thing is for sure, as Stuck is evidence, Boomers have great stories to tell. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 10 3 20th December 2012 at 8:31 pm 82. Stucky says: Thanks, AWD. Let me just address one of your charts; Nixon’s War on Drugs, 1971. I don’t understand the point. Boomers are responsible for the failure of the policy? Or, it being enacted? Anyway, the oldest boomer was just 25 in 1971. Boomers loved drugs!! (Well, not me but more than just a few.) Like or Dislike: 3 3 20th December 2012 at 8:32 pm 83. AWD says: Rampant drug use caused Nixon’s war on drugs. Drugs had been around for a decade already (beatniks, minorities). but not rampant drug use among rich kids. Drug use trickled up to Republican parent’s kids, and the government stepped in. Hot debate. What do you think? 5 3 20th December 2012 at 8:37 pm 84. Eddie says: I would say that public ignorance and the fear of drugs (aggravated by the media and politicians eager to use the cause to garner votes) “caused” Nixon’s war on drugs. I only mention this because I want to point out that from the outset, the so-called war on drugs was waged more for political reasons than medical reasons. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 8:48 pm 85. Reverse Engineer says: I’ll publish it tomorrow on the Diner then. Like or Dislike: 1 4 20th December 2012 at 9:00 pm 86. i'm with -> stupid says: it ain’t insecurity, stucky, it’s pride of authorship. even an FU is preferable to nothing at all because it means someone actually took the time to read your post. Like or Dislike: 3 0 20th December 2012 at 9:25 pm 87. howard in nyc says: Stucky said: howard It was very hard to write that story without it coming across that I was placing blame. I tried, but I may have failed. I used to blame my folks for my travails. I stopped that quite some time ago. They did the best they could. ___________ no, no. the opposite. i got the impression you were defending our parents’ generation from blame. part of the BBES oeuvre holds their parenting to be part of the problem i thought you were defending them from such ideas. i meant to say they need no defense, because they were not at fault. sorry for the confusion. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 9:30 pm 88. juan says: Rampant drug use caused Nixon’s war on drugs. Drugs had been around for a decade already (beatniks, minorities). i am continually surprised at the history written here because it doesn’t jive with my own recollection.antiwar protesters made a shambles of the johnson administration.nixon ran on a law and order platform, appealing to the hardhats who opposed war protesters. it was actually the hippies, middle class white kids who ran away from home rather than face the draft, who took drugs mainstream. a lot of GI’s came back from the war with a serious drug habit. nixon sought to quell war protesters by initiating the war on drugs, a government assault on antiwar activists. it came to a head at kent state when the army opened fire on their own populace. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 1 20th December 2012 at 9:42 pm 89. Zack M. says: The Boomers are just starting to collect the S. S. and Medicare that they have paid into for 40 years. The Greatest Generation paid very little into these programs and have been collecting for 30 years, My father retired in 1982 and has been collecting benefits and going to the doctor once a week for 30 years. I have paid$225,000 into S. S. and at 62 am now being told that I am exploiting the system and my benefits must be cut. I have not been to the doctor in 3 years because I have no health insurance.

The Boomers have paid for the benefits of the “Greatest Generation” and now we are called greedy because we want some of our money back. There is only one generation that has gotten a free ride.

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20th December 2012 at 9:54 pm

90. GovtRunAmuck says:

Boomers, the destroyer of worlds.

The labeling of generations is almost like saying each is a different species of animal, whereas human nature really doesn’t change much from one generation to the next regardless of how you define each generation. Each generation gets away with whatever it can.

Are the people who lived during world events responsible for those events? Certainly. But if one rants against a particular generation it seems to imply that the ranter thinks other generations were/are better. I don’t think so. ALL GENERATIONS ARE PRETTY STUPID.. It’s the nature of humans. After all, the current generation is largely responsible for eight years of Obama.

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20th December 2012 at 9:55 pm

91. ThePessimisticChemist says:

My fucking god. My boomer father in law is drunk of his ass (par for the course, this is a 5 day a week thing) and bitching about how he’s going to quit his job.

He’s a maintenance man, and we live in a town where blue collar jobs are hard to come by.

What happened that caused this? He hates his boss. Thats it. He has a performance eval tomorrow and rather than write out some goals and get the $5K check for it, he’s thinking about quitting just because he hates dealing with this stuff anymore. He is a typical boomer. Cries and whines all the fucking time about his hard knock life. LIterally, its a daily occurrence. Same set of stories and situations. Die hard democrat too, the only reason Obama has failed is because of Bush. Fuck I need this house buying process to finish. I hate having to put up with this shit on a daily basis. Hot debate. What do you think? 7 3 20th December 2012 at 10:05 pm 92. Stucky says: Nixon asked for money from Congress to “wage a new, all-out offensive [for a] GLOBAL war on the drug menace.” ————————————————————- - “Conclusion: One of the curious inversions in the cultural history of the War on Drugs is that apologists tend to attribute Nixon’s decision to a response to the behavior of masses while critics tend to attribute it to a response to the behavior of elites. Nixon became a drug warrior, say the apologists, because of the threats of violent crime committed by heroin addicted Vietnam veterans and the breakdown of order caused by youth on drugs. Nixon became a drug warrior, say critics, because he was frightened by the challenge posed by proponents of LSD in the Counterculture, because the association with crime could be cynically exploited to win popular support, and because he was attracted by the prospect of a national government with greater coercive power. Although these no doubt form the context in which the Nixon made his drug policy decisions, the best explanation lies in his troubled psyche.” ————————————————————- - To read the rest of the article …. and learn about Nixon’s “troubled psyche” such as his love-affair with “law and order” issues …. see below http://likethedew.com/2011/03/26/nixon%E2%80%99s-war-on-drugs-decision-2/ Like or Dislike: 1 0 20th December 2012 at 10:36 pm 93. Zack M. says: Admin. Two points on your comments: You mention that the Boomers will get back twice what they paid into Social Security. That is a nice concept but it presupposes that future benefits will never be cut or capped. Highly unlikely. Cheap shot stating that hundreds of thousands students hid out in college to avoid Vietnam. Would you have volunteered to be drafted for that noble cause? The reason that student loans cannot be dismissed in bankruptcy has nothing to do with the Vietnam era loan performance. The bank lobby got this passed because they could! Hot debate. What do you think? 7 3 20th December 2012 at 10:37 pm 94. sensetti says: Great job Stucky ! Like or Dislike: 5 1 20th December 2012 at 10:59 pm 95. Calamity says: Stucky, I read your article and actually like about 3/4 of it. It is good to get a view of the early years of boomers. It follows in line with the fourth turning theory of the roles of the generations. Until the end you had me feeling quite empathic with the boomer generation. Then as per usual with boomers, you kept talking. “The problem isn’t the problem. It’s your attitude to the problem” -Jack Sparrow. Yeah, I just quoted a Disney movie. It puts my perspective on your dissection of my comment. Its not that boomers have wronged the following generations and gave them an uncertain future. Its their attitude towards it. I do get the sense that most boomers do seeing the errors they made in their lives. The part that lead me to believe in a lack of compassion is the condescending attitude they have about it. This “life isn’t fair” way towards other people is what creates this animosity. We were all wronged by the very same people, with the same monetary and political policies, and the same irresponsibility to the future of our country. The boomers aren’t leading the millennials during the fourth turning crisis. They aren’t making the world better place for the future. Instead they are telling the younger ones “Permanent damage there. Good luck, that’s my handy work”. The boomers aren’t coming to the bargaining table with everybody else. What I believe is the boomers biggest offense is that they turned in to a bunch of pussies. Your generation came together once to fight in what they believe, but you aren’t doing it now. Instead most boomers are docile in their actions. They are the biggest voting block and have the most power in the country as a collective, but they aren’t doing anything to change the direction of the country. The boomers really need to stop investing their energy into foreign wars, keeping entitlements going, and the status quo. They need to start demanding the end of the wars. Demanding these corrupt bankers do prison time. Demand ending the TSA, NDAA, patriot act, and every law passed the violates our constitution. Demand a sound currency and monetary system. Demand all the things that are wrong in the country be fixed. They know how to instill fear in government by the people. They need to start leading. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 8 0 20th December 2012 at 11:08 pm 96. Kill Bill says: Good Lord, the SAH lazy asses are still pouting. We are slaves We cant get a job You arent voting the way I want you to. These baboons are proud of the fact they are loners, anti-social, and judgemental. Why arent these people out protesting the wars? Because they are too busy taking creep shots with their smart phones while bitching about their sad introverted lives. Like or Dislike: 2 5 20th December 2012 at 11:28 pm 97. Colma Rising says: Of the many, many, many reasons I find BBES is, as AWD and Administrator have touched upon is the massive amount of personal and government debt incurred with no real way to pay it off. Since Baby Boomers have taken the helm, we can clearly see erratic government activity, with surpluses coming from the addition of the SS trust to the general fund. So, Boomers often say, “that wasn’t me!!!”…. well, it’s kinda the opposite of the fallacy of composition. It’s the fallacy of “Me No, THEY did”. Apply the statement to the national debt. You got it, through steroidal government spending in your prime earning years, lax monetary policy in your prime years and you won’t pay the tab. We get comments from folks like Govrunamok: “Durkah-durky do, the current generation elected ‘bama” which is common from many boomers…. roughly half, ignoring the facts that A) The Baby Boomer voting block elected Clinton, Bush II and Obama. B) How in the hell can you blame younger people for the ills of YOUR country? I don’t care how you slice it, how did YOU vote in your first pres election? I voted for Clinton. Why? Two words, champs: Bob Dole. Scary to a teenager then, just like McCain was scary to teenagers in ’08…. who ignored the younger Republicans in the primaries to nominate some vulture fund up-do over THE choice of the young, Ron Paul? NOTE: NOBODY SAID “STUCKY DID!” or “KILL BILL DID!” or “FLASH DID!” No, but in aggregate the Baby Boomers did. Note: Personally, you fools STILL like to blame younger people with your “Lazy, Ipad, wantn’ free shit democrat votin’” for the ills of the world. And wonder why BBES is uttered? We get the comment “Quit whining and DO SOMETHING”. That is a classic. Part of doing something is identifying and ridiculing an aggregate situation. That includes identifying massive debt, seeing where, when, why it was accumulated and NOT LISTENING TO THE BULLSHIT JOHNNY-COME-LATELY-VIOLINS. “What do you have against old people?” Nothing. What do the comments listed over and over say? As long as your a Baby Boomer hating older people is ok? Hating young people is? This shit definitely transcends the norm. Think about it. “Quit Whining” Oh shut the fuck up. You all whine all fucking day on this blog…. in magnitudes more than this post could encompass. Seriously…. Hot debate. What do you think? 8 4 20th December 2012 at 11:37 pm 98. Colma Rising says: Bill: I do more in a day than you ever did, fruitcake. Quit your whining, enjoy your retirement. Hot debate. What do you think? 6 6 20th December 2012 at 11:41 pm 99. Colma Rising says: First Big Event: Da Bomb. Russia. Nukes. Commie bastards. Ka-BAM! All gone. Nuclear winter. Dead. Why??? Nuke drills!! Little Boomer children hiding under desks for protection. Little Boomer children watching gub’mint movies showing homes blasted to smithereens. -Stuchy My first event: Russians, Iranians, nukes….. GO JOE!!!! Current Generation’s big event: 9-11, planes in buildings, wild-eyed parents everywhere terror terror mushroom-clouds, go kill haji!!! “Second Big Event. Vietnam. Dirty, nasty, disgusting, vile war that killed 60,000 of us and maimed hundreds of thousands more. What was it good for? Absolutely nothing.” See above. Hot debate. What do you think? 5 4 20th December 2012 at 11:56 pm 100. juan says: Q1. Which political party took Social Security from the independent trust fund and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it? A1: There has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government. The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been “put into the general fund of the government.” Like or Dislike: 1 3 20th December 2012 at 12:11 am 101. Colma Rising says: Sorry, Juanito, it was “borrowed from”. The “Surplus” existed via these borrowed funds and there was a deficit run for every year he was in office. Clinton borrowed:$152.3B from Social Security
$30.9B from Civil Service Retirement Fund$18.5B from Federal Supplementary Medical insurance Trust Fund
$15.0B from Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund$9.0B from the Federal Unemployment Trust Fund
$8.2B from Military Retirement Fund$3.8B from Transportation Trust Funds
$1.8B from Employee Life Insurance & Retirement fund$7.0B from others

These “Borrowed” funds were repaid with “Borrowed funds”.

Accounting gimmicks not welcome…. so sorry.

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20th December 2012 at 12:24 am

102. Colma Rising says:

Going by the CBO, from the onset of the Boomer presidency it would seem that volatility in the deficit from peak to trough was $1174B between 1999 and 2003. That’s pretty huge, even by the numbers we’re accustomed to these days. Yessiree. It was those damned Millennials voting for Obama. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 1 20th December 2012 at 12:32 am 103. i'm with ->stupid says: i confess that i have not been keeping up with the current point of view. boomers are bad? i’m sorry but my mainstream media mentality thought wall st caused the global economic meltdown. it never occured to me that i am the culprit. but i get it now, we boomers schemed to extend our lives by eating healthy and getting plastic surgery and gamblig in the stock market. we knew the time would come when we could no longer work but we figured we would turn the reins over to a grateful generation after us. no dice, they want us to die voluntarily like our predecessors or they will slice our collective throats in our sleep. this kind of stuff happens when delusional people get the idea that “they” are taking something that is “mine”. somehow the funds in the social security trust fund now belong entirely to the millenials whether they have actually put anything into it yet or not. watch your back millenials, the generation after you will have you for dinner. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 4 20th December 2012 at 12:32 am 104. juan says: colma, thanks for the “juanito”. i had read that the ss fund was full of IOU’s. i cited the movie dumb and dumber above in reference to that. i added the question and answer above simply because Mr Stucky blew my theory out of the water with a citation from likethedew.com i was seeing everything so clearly until he stuck his hand in said water. Like or Dislike: 2 0 20th December 2012 at 12:46 am 105. Colma Rising says: Juan: There really isn’t much of a problem between Mils and boomers, but that may be short lived. If anything, in many ways, the aging boomer and the younger adults are closer (which brings up the “they raised us” argument….) but the more the elders… and yes, it is the elders attacking in society as whole…. the more they pontificate, belittle and grasp, the more severe the reaction will be. The bullshit being churned by society is similar to history, but on steroids. Baby Boomers don’t really have to worry too much about the younger coming for them financially or otherwise. They have their own cohort to worry about in that department. Certainly, no boomer should count on sympathy from the younger if the bullshitting doesn’t cease. Bank on this. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 5 0 20th December 2012 at 1:11 am 106. backwardsevolution says: President Obama refers to Canada’s Prime Minister as a “large lump”. It’s getting nasty in the hood. http://www.thelapine.ca/obama-calls-harper-large-lump Like or Dislike: 1 0 20th December 2012 at 1:28 am 107. Ditchner says: @admin The reason that student loans cannot be written off in a personal bankruptcy is because hundreds of thousands of Boomers hid in college to avoid Vietnam and when the war was over defaulted on their student loans. Yes, we boomers (survivors) hid in college to avoid the war that Kennedy was killed trying to pull out of. But then, after our escapes, we got jobs and payed off our student loans. The defaults came much later! Check with GenX or one of those other ones about that whole default thing. Like or Dislike: 1 4 20th December 2012 at 2:36 am 108. Ditchner says: I’m just grateful that none of you haters brought out the two boomer presidents, Bill Blow Job Clinton and the clear choice of Florida, GW Bush. If somebody had linked us with them it would have been very difficult to defend. Like or Dislike: 1 3 20th December 2012 at 3:25 am 109. Reverse Engineer says: The reason Student Loans cannot be discharged in Bankruptcy is because there is no Collateral to Repo. You can’t Repo what somebody has embedded in their Brain. when you pruchase Education, you buy Knowledge, and that has no physical element that can be repoed by the bank like a McMansion or Cat. It is an uncollateralized loan, but made legally different from Credit Card loan which places the onus of loss on the Bank if the borrower cannot repay, places it instead on the borrower. There is NO RISK to the Bank in a student Loan, it is entirely backed by Da Federal Goobermint, and then Da goobermint holds the student liable for the debt in perpetuity. Its the most perfect loan possible for the Banksters, they can’t lose, and the worst for the student, they cannot win. Debt slavery, in a Nutshell. RE RE Hot debate. What do you think? 6 6 20th December 2012 at 5:40 am 110. Administrator says: Zack M. It’s not a concept old man. The Boomers will extract twice as much in SS benefits as they paid in and 3 times as much in Medicare. I know you old bitter men hate facts and are absolutely horrible at math, so keep believing your false storyline if it lets you sleep at night. You don’t give a fuck about younger generations as long as you get yours. Make sure you pay your dues to AARP. Not a cheap shot. Facts. The law was passed in 1976. The Vietnam War wound down between 1973 and 1975. Boomers were defaulting on their student loans and Congress reacted. Like or Dislike: 3 0 20th December 2012 at 8:05 am 111. flash says: BB, the only generation with the moral fortitude to stand again the mass murdering Empire of banksters , who in turn for their rebelliousness against the MIC were scorned by their gullible parents, attacked by their nefarious government and now blamed for the ills of society by their moronic collectivist kids as if all failure of modern America was created in a vacuum. You just can’t fix stupid. Sixty Years Later Why Am I a Veteran? by Larry Martines In January 1953, I was separated from the army after having served two years as a draftee during the Korean, so-called, police action. Back then, I simply did what my three older brothers did during WWII, and what my father did during WWI. Namely, they went off to war believing they were doing so in the defense of their country. My three younger brothers were yet to serve in the armed forces. Now it is sixty years later and I have learned much about how those, and every other war, we have been in, and are currently involved in, came to pass. We now know, or should know, we didn’t become veterans to defend our country. Veterans of all these conflicts should be appalled by how they were manipulated into fighting wars to totally serve Banking Class interests. That this is still happening is beyond the pale. Further, the military we once felt pride in being part of, is today once again being turned against the people of our country. (See the real history of the Civil War) Hark back to that historically un-American period between the end of George Washington’s presidency and the beginning of that of Thomas Jefferson. During that period John Adams occupied the office of president. He introduced and enforced the Sedition Act because he couldn’t tolerate open criticism of the way he conducted the office of president. Vice President Thomas Jefferson was openly against this Act since it was a clear violation of the constitution. When he became president he dissolved the Sedition act and pardoned all people imprisoned by it. We generally aspire to live by Jeffersonian standards in spite of the fact that a strong central government opposes these standards unmercifully. The civil war was fought against Jeffersonian standards. Abraham Lincoln far from being the great emancipator, we were taught to believe in state controlled schools, was in fact an outspoken supporter of slavery and of a strong central government. The constitutional embrace of secession was virtually set aside by Lincoln, and ever since it has been the goal of government to keep it that way. The Civil War was perhaps the greatest travesty visited upon the people in history. Then we come to the Spanish American War where in we see the first international effects of how banking interests engineer war for their benefit. Beginning the creation of an American empire by conquering Spain and taking many of its possessions provided American banks with new places to financially exploit. To be sure, no one can advance a logical argument for commencing that war. The sinking of the Maine has long been identified as a red herring. However, this war saw the deployment of American armed forces to do what the elite power structure wanted and would profit from. Thus we began a new chapter in American veteran’s affairs. Namely the creation of American veterans of foreign wars: as if this connotation gives credibility to using Americans to enrich the elite. Moving on into the twentieth century we find the most flagrant national abuse by banking interests. Much has been written about the roll played by JP Morgan in many of the major events leading up to American entry into, and in the conduct of, WWI. Engineering the election of Woodrow Wilson, establishing E Mandel House (with ties back to the Rothchild financial empire as was, also, the case with Morgan) as the principle advisor to the president, realizing the coveted creation of a Central Bank, colluding with powerful interests in Great Britain and France to manipulate America’s entry into the war, being the principal financier and procurer of military supplies, using the central bank to create money to finance the war and pay foreign loans to Morgan and other Federal Reserve Banks, all added up to perhaps the greatest amount of treasonous activity perpetrated by one man in the history of this country. That he was able to do what he did and stay under the radar while doing so, speaks to the ability of a ‘strong central government’ to control the flow of information and control its citizen’s ability to speak out. Once again we see the enactment of a sedition act to do just that. The take-away on all this is that we all grew up respecting and honoring those who went to war, but we all have been grossly misled – especially the veterans themselves. Moving onto WWII, we see a similar pattern with the main players again being the Banking Interests. This time JP Morgan is joined by JD Rockefeller each of whom had major foreign investments to protect. Morgan’s in Europe, and Rockefeller’s in the far east. This time, aided and abetted by another supportive administration led by FDR. Once again, we as a country were manipulated into another war we had no legitimate reason to become involved in. It is widely known that FDR instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor, and then he withheld information that the Japanese attack was about to happen. The end result of the treachery involved was, once again, beating the drums of patriotism and the creation of yet more American veterans. Still, we as a people largely supported our government as patriotic Americans. Little did we realize how badly we the people were being used by the powers that be to enrich themselves, and in the process expand the government in size and power. Now we come to the debacle in Korea. As a young twenty-two year-old, I was troubled by the glaring inconsistencies with respect to the idea of being drafted four years after the end of the war to end all wars! Not to mention, having heard over and over during WWII that your loved ones are fighting this war so their loved ones will never have to do so again. While the irony of those thoughts wasn’t lost on me, any understanding of what the game in play was all about, certainly never surfaced in my young misinformed mind. Of course, back then the cannon-fodder of the day was just as uninformed as their predecessors. This condition reached a definite breakthrough with the advent of the Vietnam War. With the escalation of the war in Vietnam, many young people simply rebelled at the idea of serving in the military. This was not in deference to any understanding of who was benefitting from another war, but simply because those many young people were in open rebellion to fighting in a war that to them made no sense. In spite of this the war played on, and many new veterans entered the American scene. All the while, the aptly named Military/Industrial Complex grew larger and richer as the government grew larger and more powerful. At this point, even a small amount of introspection should have led to the question. Who Benefits? At this juncture in this quick trip through American wars, it is interesting to note that many of the draft resisters of the Vietnam era evolved into fearless warmongers aptly referred to as ‘Chicken Hawks’. These people led us into Kosovo, Iraq and all the subsequent wars we have experienced in the twenty-first century. Again it is important to ask. Who Benefits? Note: Having learned that a draft is tantamount to a political third rail, when it comes to expanding the military, the government resorted to other means. Well, perhaps conveniently, unemployment solved that problem. This after activating many state national guard units. However, we now see a possibility that a strong and degenerate military force may be turned inward and used against the civilian population – including all its veterans! So, here I am, sixty years later with my eyes wide open to the game in play. Knowing this is small satisfaction. Since there is little that I as an individual can do about it. However, I do feel compelled to attempt to inform other veterans, and would be veterans, of what we all have experienced, and hopefully have learned from, in my case over the past sixty years. The literature, and certainly the Internet, contains all the supporting details for the statements made herein. If you find what you have read here disruptive to your beliefs and understanding, it is highly recommended you do the research and come to your own conclusions of how we as a people, and especially as veterans, have been unmercifully played by the powers that be. December 20, 2012 In addition to being a veteran Larry Martines [send him mail] is a retired Engineer/Physicist. His professional career included work in chemistry, metallurgy, heat treating, electronics, microwaves, and sonar. In his post retirement years he has written and published several novels. See wildcardbooks.com. Additional writing is in progress. Copyright © 2012 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given. Like or Dislike: 4 1 20th December 2012 at 8:25 am 112. Stucky says: Colma I thought I would see this morning proof that I was a deluded fat fuck. lol Instead, I see charts and explanations. Much better than BBES!! Hey, I believe the world ends tomorrow. And then a couple days later we celebrate Jeebus’ birthday. So, before my fat ass is ripped to shreds by some nutsack Aztec god, or my soul is Raptured to the Great Beyond, I’d like to take this moment to wish you a Merry Christmas. Let us smok ‘em peace pipe this season! StuchenBoomer Hot debate. What do you think? 5 3 20th December 2012 at 8:39 am 113. flash says: It’s your town now , booger eaters. Like or Dislike: 2 1 20th December 2012 at 8:57 am 114. flash says: GREG BROWN “Your Town Now” I used to go out quite a lot, Chase to chase and shot to shot. I’m all done with that somehow, And it’s your town now. These days the mighty eagle sings, Of money and material things, And the almighty Dow, And it’s your town now, Your town now, It’s- From the mountains to the plains All the towns are wrapped in chains, And the little that the law allows, And it’s your town now, It’s your town now, It’s- Where are the young bands gonna play? Where’re the old beatniks gonna stay, And not before some corporation bow? And it’s your town now, It’s your town now, It’s- So be careful everyone, Cops can get careless with their guns. And then they slip off somehow, And it’s your town now, It’s your town now, It’s- You young ones it’s up to you To fight the fight and I hope you do, Oh I see in your eyes that you know how And it’s your town now Your town now. Don’t let ‘em take the whole damn deal, Don’t give up on what you really feel. Ah, the small and local must survive somehow, If it’s gonna be your town now. Is it gonna be your town now? Is it gonna be your town now? Is it gonna be? Like or Dislike: 3 2 20th December 2012 at 9:01 am 115. flash says: Those evil boomers wouldn’t line up behind the Empire, but all that’s fixed now. Millennials are developing strong team instincts and tight peer bonds. During the 1990s, there was a sharp decline in the share of eighth- and tenth-graders who felt lonely or wished they had more friends—and a growing desire to share the credit for winning. 48 Today’s young adults are much more likely than their Boomer parents to say they trust big institutions like governments or communities to “do the right thing.”49 High school students now regard team skills (along with technology) as the most valuable for their careers. For Millennials, the use of information technology has become a group activity. Today’s young people power up their IM and email servers as soon as they touch a computer, making themselves the most 24/7 peer-to-peer “connected” generation in the human history. Neil Howe (We are the Borg) Like or Dislike: 2 2 20th December 2012 at 9:36 am 116. Stucky says: “I read your article and actually like about 3/4 of it” —- Calamity Thanks! That’s about the same percentage I liked, so we do have that common ground. ———— - “Then as per usual with boomers, you kept talking.” ———- Calamity You see … that’s the kind of generalization that drives me nuts. 76M boomers. All of us keep talking? 80 percent? 50 percent? 10 percent? Really … what the hell?? ———— - “They are the biggest voting block and have the most power in the country as a collective, but they aren’t doing anything to change the direction of the country.” ——- Calamity Your assumption is that ‘voting matters’ in America today. You might want to reconsider that. But, let’s take a look at the 2012 POTUS vote by age; 1)- “Young” boomers gave Romney a very slight edge. “Older” boomers gave Romney a larger edge. 2)- The choices the powers-that-be gave us this year were between Shitty and Shittier.What kind of “voting block” would you have preferred? That boomers would have been all-in for Romney? Or, Obama? 3)- Take a long hard look at the Ute vote. 60% for Obama. Who knows what kind of shit a 2nd Obama term will heap on this country? God help us. But a good portion of what follows can be attributed to you young ones for putting him over the top. Thanks. 4)- I am not an expert on Revolutions. But I do believe, iirc, that Revolutions are led by the young. Old people are too tired, too set in their ways, too worn out, too … everything. I’ll put the ball in your court. We NEED a Totally Different Way … a Ron Paul Revolution, or something similar. Where are the young people? ———— - “The boomers aren’t leading the millennials during the fourth turning crisis. They aren’t making the world better place for the future.” ———– Calamity You want the folks who fucked everything up … to fix it? I hope you see the humor in this. You then go on to list various “they need” directives. Let me turn it around once more: what are the younger generation doing?? Look, I KNOW how DIFFICULT … maybe damn near impossible .. it is to unseat those in power. Yes, Boomers are now in power. But YOU guys gotta try … harder. Flash just posted great lyrics, “Your Town Now” ….. “You young ones it’s up to you To fight the fight and I hope you do”. Indeed, it is up to you … sooner or later, hopefully sooner. And you would have 100% of my support. Like or Dislike: 3 2 20th December 2012 at 9:42 am 117. Stucky says: SAH !!!!!!!!!!! Dammit, where are you?? I want you to realize … SERIOUSLY speaking ….. that YOUR boomer posts were a SIGNIFICANT motivation for my writing the article. P.S. (She must be on vacation.) P.S.S. I should be mindful of the proverb, “Be careful what you wish for.” Like or Dislike: 4 2 20th December 2012 at 9:49 am 118. flash says: SAH is busy getting female hormone injections and he feels o’ so pretty. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 4 20th December 2012 at 10:00 am 119. Stucky says: flash I have this feeling you are going to PAY for that remark … dearly. I gotta go stock up on some popcorn. (Are you a masochist?) Like or Dislike: 2 1 20th December 2012 at 10:03 am 120. ThePessimisticChemist says: @Stucky – “I’ll put the ball in your court. We NEED a Totally Different Way … a Ron Paul Revolution, or something similar. Where are the young people?” Truer words were never said. Like or Dislike: 4 0 20th December 2012 at 10:25 am 121. Anonymous says: Stuck- Are you a masochist? LOL…just calling it like I see it. Zara used to be a female until he wasn’t. IMO SAH writes and thinks like a man….if it quacks like a duck. Like or Dislike: 3 1 20th December 2012 at 10:33 am 122. i'm with ->stupid says: ha! that’s alice kutcher, the millenial that plays a boomer on that 70′s show. he can’t suppress the smugness that betrays his generation. where is the angst? Like or Dislike: 0 0 20th December 2012 at 10:35 am 123. flash says: anon was I. BTW, todays minnies fighting over shoes remind me of US boomers fighting over our Converse All-Stars and ragged Levis. Unruly crowds waiting for shoes pepper sprayed HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (WHNT) -Tempers flared during an early morning shoe sale at the Madison Square Mall, forcing security officers to call in the Huntsville Police. At least eight patrol cars responded to the Hibbetts Sports store to help control a disturbance that erupted among a crowd of 75 people. Those people had been waiting for hours for the release of the new Air Jordan 11 Bred shoes. They sell for$180.

Police had to use pepper spray on the crowd to calm them down, then helped those who were sprayed to clean it off their skin and out of their eyes.

Officer say there was no fight, but the customers refused to comply with store rules and policies and security officers felt they needed assistance from police officers to get things under control.

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20th December 2012 at 10:38 am

124. ThePessimisticChemist says:

@flash – It doesn’t mention which demographic was purchasing those shoes.

I bet it was boomer aged asians.

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20th December 2012 at 10:41 am

125. Zack M. says:

Pretty thin skinned. Anyone questions your omnipotence and it’s right to the insults.
All you did was repeat your prior assertion and mix it with some condescending remarks.
Proof Man. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts. How can you possibly know
what cuts will be made to S.S. and Medicare in the future. Without knowing that your assertions
are total bullshit.

Sorry my young punk but…. WRONG AGAIN! The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection ACT of 2005 disallowed the discharge of private student loans thru bankruptcy. This was slipped into the bill at the last minute at the request of the banking industry.

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20th December 2012 at 10:50 am

126. Colma Rising says:

Anyone want to show voting as actual numbers rather than percentages?

Who exactly did you greybushes vote for?

Again, while we all know that, in their twighlight years, most boomers on tbp aren’t to blame, why is it they blame younger generations for current and past largesse?

It couldn’t possibly be a chronic sense of narcicism and reactionary temperment now could it….

Carry on, Boomers, two more finals and we can really get into your specious theories.

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20th December 2012 at 10:50 am

127. Colma Rising says:

Zack M:

I think Admin was talking about government backed/subsidized loans, not the rat trap loans morons take out for doodle colleges and biscuit-making universities.

You may have just stomped on a proverbial bag of burning shit with that foolish comment, champ.

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20th December 2012 at 10:56 am

128. Stucky says:

In the “shit is fucked up and shit” department …

Look up in the sky! It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s a man, it’s a woman, it’s a WTF!!

Okaaaay … 50 years old … 6’6″ …. was a man …. got an operation called ‘kutchyacokoff” … now a woman … attends Mission College …. plays on woman’s basketball team … goes by the name, SAH.

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20th December 2012 at 11:00 am

129. ThePessimisticChemist says:

Barring extreme genetic conditions, the state of a persons chromosomes should decide their gender, not their feelings.

XY = boy, end of story

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20th December 2012 at 11:02 am

130. backwardsevolution says:

flash – that was a very good Larry Martines article you posted.

Like I said above, we’ve all been HAD/CONNED/DUPED, but we didn’t even know it at the time! The ONLY reason people are starting to wake up is because of the access to the Internet.

People are beginning to put things together; they’re beginning to THINK.

TPTB will be working on this too. They’ll want to get rid of the Internet, just like they want to get guns out of the hands of people who might upset their stranglehold on the power structure. Don’t let them do it!

I contend that if the Internet hadn’t come along when it did, we’d all just be following along in lockstep because we’d never have had people like Jim, Charles Hugh Smith, et cetera. We’d feel something was terribly wrong, but wouldn’t have been able to put our finger on it. The ability to get together to hash it out, to read differing opinions, has made all the difference.

A lot of the greatest books, the ones that are opening up people’s minds, were written by the Boomer generation. The Internet itself came about during the Boomer generation. The younger generations now have the benefit of this condensed and informative re-writing of history.

Do not fight your brother! Fight against the people who hold the reins.

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20th December 2012 at 11:18 am

Zack M

You AARP loving old farts will never vote for anyone who will cut your free shit. You’re part of the Grey hair free shit army. Obama and his minions are in control and have no plans to cut your entitlements. You free shitters keep voting for politicians who will protect your free shit. You blather on about phantom cuts when the demographics and the amount of money are set in stone. That’s called facts you dumbass. Thanks for letting everyone witness the mind of a dumbass Boomer.

You actually think the non-discharge of student loan debt started in 2005????? Again you prove to be a dumbass. It started in 1976. Research and fact checking aren’t strong points for you greedy bastards.

Stick the press clippings up your old Boomer ass.

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20th December 2012 at 11:26 am

132. juan says:

i got a student loan in ’75. i paid it off in the mid ’80′s, i can send you a copy of the receipt. that loan follows you around forever, i got a good rate though. and it wasn’t for thousands of dollars like student loans are now. it was for 500. Grey hair free shit army – love it. Unless you are totally dead and buried, you will find that someone has something against you because of your gender, sexual preference, race, upbringing, musical preference or the toys you got for xmas. Like or Dislike: 2 1 20th December 2012 at 11:45 am 133. Administrator says: Since I know Boomer Zack is incapable of doing any research, here are the fucking facts. Now he will make a Boomer argument that he meant something else. Student Loan Bankruptcy Exception The US Bankruptcy Code at 11 USC 523(a)(8) provides an exception to bankruptcy discharge for education loans. This page provides a history of the legislative language in this section of the US Bankruptcy Code. Student loans were dischargeable in bankruptcy prior to 1976. With the introduction of the US Bankruptcy Code (11 USC 101 et seq) in 1978, the ability to discharge education loans was limited. Subsequent changes in the law have further narrowed the dischargeability of education debt. The exception to discharge for private student loans evolved over time. Prior to 1984, only private student loans made by a “nonprofit institution of higher education” were excepted from discharge. This was intended to protect the National Defense Student Loan Program (NDSL), the predecessor to the Perkins Loan Program. Those loans were made by colleges using a revolving loan fund created using matching federal contributions. The Bankruptcy Amendments and Federal Judgeship Act of 1984 made private student loans from all nonprofit lenders excepted from discharge, not just colleges, by striking the words “of higher education”. The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 expanded this to include all “qualified education loans”, regardless of whether a nonprofit institution was involved in making the loans. Timeline The following timeline illustrates the date of major changes in the treatment of student loans under the US Bankruptcy Code and related changes to other legislation: 2011: President Obama issues an executive order making the new version of income-based repayment available to borrowers two years earlier. To be eligible, borrowers may not have any loans from before 2008 and must have at least one loan in 2012 or a later year. 2010: The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (P.L. 111-152, 3/30/2010) created a new version of income-based repayment. The new version cuts the monthly payment by a third, to 10% of discretionary income, and forgives the remaining debt after 20 years in repayment instead of 25 years. The new version is effective for new borrowers as of July 1, 2014. Borrowers with previous federal student loans as of June 30, 2014, are not eligible for the improved income-based repayment terms. 2007: The College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007 (P.L. 110-84, 9/27/2007) added income-based repayment as an option within both the FFEL and Direct Loan programs. This repayment plan bases monthly loan payments on 15% of discretionary income, with discretionary income defined as the amount by which adjusted gross income exceeds 150% of the poverty line. After 25 years in repayment, the remaining amount owed is forgiven. This yields a lower monthly payment than the income-contingent repayment plan. The use of 150% of the poverty line as a threshold aligns the repayment plan with standards for bankruptcy fee waivers. 2006: The wage garnishment amount was increased from 10% to 15% by the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (P.L. 109-171, 2/8/2006). 2005: The US Supreme Court upholds the government’s ability to collect defaulted student loans by offsetting Social Security disability and retirement benefits without a statute of limitations. See Lockhart v US (04-881, December 2005). 2005: An amendment enacted by the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (P.L. 109-8, 10/17/2005) added an exception to discharge for qualified education loans, which includes most private student loans. Before this amendment only private student loans made under a “program funded in whole or in part by a governmental unit or nonprofit institution” were excepted from discharge. However, most private student loans included a nonprofit organization as the guarantor, and the courts have interpreted such loans as excepted from discharge. 2001: US Department of Education begins offsetting up to 15% of Social Security disability and retirement benefits to repay defaulted federal education loans. 1998: The Higher Education Amendments of 1998 (P.L. 105-244, 10/7/1998) struck the requirement that allowed education loans to be discharged after 7 years in repayment. 1996: Social Security benefit payments may be offset to repay defaulted federal education loans (Debt Collection Improvement Act of 1996, P.L. 104-134, 4/26/1996). 1993: The Higher Education Amendments of 1992 (P.L. 102-325, 7/23/1992) amended the Higher Education Act of 1965 to add income-contingent repayment as an option within the Direct Loan program. This repayment plan bases monthly loan payments on 20% of discretionary income, with discretionary income defined as the amount by which adjusted gross income exceeds 100% of the poverty line. After 25 years in repayment, the remaining amount owed is forgiven. The US Department of Education may require defaulted borrowers to repay their loans under income-contingent repayment. The availability of income-contingent repayment blocks most undue hardship petitions concerning federal student loans. (Parent PLUS loans are not eligible for income-contingent repayment.) 1991: An amendment to the Higher Education Act of 1965 made by the Emergency Unemployment Compensation Act of 1991 (P.L. 102-164, 11/15/1991) allows the federal government to garnish up to 10% of disposable pay of defaulted borrowers. 1991: The Higher Education Technical Amendments of 1991 (P.L. 102-26, 4/9/1991) eliminated the statute of limitations and the defense of laches on federal education loans. Previously there was a six year limit. 1990: An amendment changed the time period required before a loan could be discharged from 5 years to 7 years. (Crime Control Act of 1990, P.L. 101-647, 11/29/1990) 1984: The Bankruptcy Amendments and Federal Judgeship Act of 1984 (P.L. 98-353, 7/10/1984) changed the language excepting loans from a “nonprofit institution of higher education” by striking the words “of higher education”. This opened the door for private student loans to be excepted from discharge. 1979: An amendment (P.L. 96-56, 8/14/1979) excluded periods during which the repayment obligation was suspended, such as deferments and forbearances, from the 5 year period before an education loan could be discharged. The amendment also clarified the “to a governmental unit, or a nonprofit institution of higher education” language to indicate that government loans included those insured or guaranteed by a governmental unit and not just those made by a governmental unit, and that loans to a nonprofit institution of higher education were loans “made under any program funded in whole or in part by a governmental unit or a nonprofit institution of higher education”. 1978: Initial enactment of the exception to discharge for education loans made by the government or colleges and universities. Loans were dischargeable if they had been in repayment for 5 years or represented undue hardship. 1976: A regulation precluded the discharge of education loans made by the government or a non-profit college or university during the first 5 years of repayment. Previously education loans were dischargeable in bankruptcy without any exceptions Like or Dislike: 2 0 20th December 2012 at 11:47 am 134. backwardsevolution says: flash – you post one good article, and then your “stupid” escapes. “IMO SAH writes and thinks like a man….if it quacks like a duck.” Not even close, but I’ll let her defend herself. What if you’ve got a Jessica Simpson body and you’re pretty, and no guy ever looks at your intelligence? Oh, they might think it’s cute, a nice little benefit, but that’s not what they’re really looking at. Whenever you try to assert your opinions, you’re told, “You’re too pretty to worry about things like that.” Everybody wants to dress you up or post a boob picture of you on the Internet. You begin to live up to people’s expectations, and you dumb yourself down. If you try to assert yourself, you’re called a “bitch”. Some of us really are intelligent, and, no, we don’t have to be a guy to do it. Like or Dislike: 4 1 20th December 2012 at 11:49 am 135. Zack M. says: Admin. Take a deep breath and check your meds. If you were not so hysterical and actually read my original post you would realize that all I was asking for was a return of some of the225,000 I have paid into S.S., not free shit. If you think the entitlements are set in stone you truly are delusional.

and start hurling insults. I do not belong to AARP, have not voted in the 4 year auction for 12 years, and don’t want any of your free shit.

You must be just having a bad day. I have enjoyed reading your articles and have learned a lot from them. Todays juvenile tirades are embarrassing and I hope an aberration.

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20th December 2012 at 11:58 am

Zack M

You evidently haven’t been around here long and are probably too thin skinned to stay around. If you are in your 60′s you will get every freaking dime that you paid in plus the money being paid in by the Millenials.

I don’t give a crap about you. I love it when an asshole hurls insults and then gets insulted when I kick them in the balls.

I notice you ignored the DATA and HARD FACTS about student loans. Only a weasel Boomer would not acknowledge they were 100% wrong.

I don’t have bad days. I just deal with morons as they should be dealt with. Welcome to TBP.

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20th December 2012 at 12:05 pm

137. juan says:

Zack.
SS taxes are taxes nonetheless, you can’t ask to have them back. You can apply for benefits. If someone wants to call that “mooching” well, americans love politics and semantics is a huge part of it.

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20th December 2012 at 12:15 pm

138. ThePessimisticChemist says:

Zack

SS is paid out from current income. That means that for the government to give you your fair share, they have to take it from the younger generations, and so on ad infinitum.

It is a massive scale Ponzi scheme, and what you are telling us all is that you realize “shit is fucked up and shit” however you do not care. You still want whats yours. And you are welling to take that money from the younger generations at gunpoint.

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20th December 2012 at 12:15 pm

139. ThePessimisticChemist says:

FWIW, I understand your frustrations, and where you are coming from. The problem is that you do not understand one single key concept here: That to fix this clusterfuck of a problem is going to cause pain.

The current system is unsustainable, and with only 1.25 workers for every 1 person living off the system, or employed by the system.

That means when we start to right this ship, a LOT of people are going to feel slighted by a system that was never fair, and never did what it was purported to do.

Freedom my friend, thats all we are asking for here.

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20th December 2012 at 12:26 pm

140. Eddie says:

Some of those post Viet nam era loan defaults were Silents, The oldest boomers were, what, about 30-ish in 1976…

I was just starting one of my many sophomore years of college at that time myself, hadn’t taken on any debt yet. I did eventually, between ’81 and ’85, take on student loans..but I paid them back,with interest that would be considered high by today’s standards. Just sayin’

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20th December 2012 at 12:35 pm

141. Spaceman says:

ThePessimisticChemist says:

“to fix this clusterfuck of a problem is going to cause pain”.

You got that right, just a question of when. I think it’s safe to say we know who will be doing most of the suffering.

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20th December 2012 at 1:05 pm

142. i'm with ->stupid says:

so it turns out this post is about the war between us, boomers vs millenials. curiouser and curiouser. a few years ago i wondered how young people would be able to afford houses that had increased in price 3 or 4 times what i had paid. we found out soon enough when prices came crashing down.
there is only so much propping up social security anyone can do before it all comes crashing down. i suspect that is the intent, milk it for all it’s worth then when it’s tapped out, drop it and blame it on the boomers.

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20th December 2012 at 1:09 pm

143. Stucky says:

“SS taxes are taxes nonetheless, you can’t ask to have them back.” —- juan

That’s the WHOLE fuckin’ nut right there. Quick summary of my post at 3:34PM;

———————–
Supreme Court Case, 1960, Fleming v. Nestor. Supremes therefore established the principle that entitlement to Social Security benefits “IS NOT A CONTRACTUAL RIGHT.”
———————–

Until yesterday, I did NOT know this. Therein is the misunderstanding by still 95%, at least, of us boomers. You can blame us if you’d like, but I say the gub’mint is the prime culprit here.

The gub’mint says it’s an ENTITLEMENT. It is not! The gub’mint says it’s a BENEFIT. It is not! The gub’mint even fools us in that it is RESERVED for us in a special account called ‘FICA”. It is not!! Fuck fuck fuckity fuck! IT IS JUST ANOTHER GODDAMN TAX. And as Juan said, you can’t ask for it back. We’ve been lied to and misled about what is was from the very beginning by the thieving lying sack-‘o-shit politicians.

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20th December 2012 at 1:12 pm

144. Spaceman says:

Stucky

One of my older co-workers was telling me that there is a provision in the SS Act that states something like this: If the SS account balance goes in the RED the payouts can be automatically reduced by 25%.

Ever heard of such a thing?

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20th December 2012 at 1:20 pm

145. Micro-Be says:

The best part of this generational discussion is the amount of “fucked up” that has been passed down to each successive generation. I’m tough on the older generation, particularly the Boomers as a whole, but it’s also obvious the Millennials are mostly fucked as well. Aren’t we also called the Echo Boomers by some? The issue is only interesting to me because I loath any situation where people have undo influence over my dreams (does this mean I hate life?). Millennials/Echo Boomers aren’t exactly the standard bearers for individual liberty outside of the canned talking points such as gay rights and reproductive freedom. Groupthink is a common occurrence within the ranks.

TPC –

I think we’re close in age and we are both in the sciences. Your posts are enjoyable and generally well thought out with only slight hints of brow beating. In what part of the country are you currently being tortured by your inlaws?

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20th December 2012 at 1:23 pm

146. Stucky says:

Spaceman

Haven’t heard of that. Here’s a quick google result regarding reduced benefits.

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Can my Social Security benefits be reduced or terminated?

Yes. Benefits may be terminated if you leave the United States for more than six months; you are deported; you remarry; or you are convicted of certain crimes, such as treason and espionage. Convicted felons cannot receive benefits while in prison. Disability benefits can be terminated when the recipient recovers, or if the recipient refuses to accept rehabilitation efforts

http://public.findlaw.com/abaflg/flg-16-3b-2.html

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Also, Government Pension Offset

http://financialducksinarow.com/2505/government-pension-offset-for-social-security/

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Also, Windfall Elimination Provision

http://financialducksinarow.com/2512/windfall-elimination-provision-for-social-security/

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20th December 2012 at 1:37 pm

147. flash says:

Some minnies truly get it.

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20th December 2012 at 2:09 pm

148. ThePessimisticChemist says:

“In what part of the country are you currently being tortured by your inlaws?”

NW Missouri

Mmmmm so cold here. Makes coffee even more enjoyable.

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20th December 2012 at 2:13 pm

149. Olga says:

I read these as “dischargeable” with caveats – but still dischargeable – until 1998.

IMO it’s just another nail in the debt-slavery coffin. Intentional, planned and enacted by a group wishing to destroy the middle class and return to a feudalistic two-tiered society. It’s amazing how nicely it’s timed with the deliberate off-shoring of the GDP.

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1. 1976: A regulation precluded the discharge of education loans made by the government or a non-profit college or university during the first 5 years of repayment. Previously education loans were dischargeable in bankruptcy without any exceptions

1. 1990: An amendment changed the time period required before a loan could be discharged from 5 years to 7 years. (Crime Control Act of 1990, P.L. 101-647, 11/29/1990)

1. 1998: The Higher Education Amendments of 1998 (P.L. 105-244, 10/7/1998) struck the requirement that allowed education loans to be discharged after 7 years in repayment.

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20th December 2012 at 2:21 pm

The question was when did the restrictions on student loans begin and why. The restrictions began in 1976 because Boomers were defaulting on the student loans they had taken out while avoiding the draft.

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20th December 2012 at 2:31 pm

151. IndenturedServant says:

Great article StuchenBoomer. Thanks for posting it. I rarely bitch about Boomers and when I do it is largely in jest. My parents are late Silents and I’m an early X’er. My life story almost echos yours perfectly. As I read your story, I found myself agreeing with nine sentences for every one sentence I disagreed with.

The ONLY fault I can find with my parents is in them not teaching me more about money. Money was always a taboo subject when I was growing up and nearly all questions about my parents finances were met with “it’s none of your business”. Fair enough, but they missed a great opportunity to pass on what little they knew of the subject. My father was a career, enlisted Air Force man and mom was the stay at home variety. There always seemed to be enough money in my eyes but rarely any extra. Even in retrospect, that still appears to be the case. Dad was wise enough to teach us that debt was to be avoided whenever possible. Each of my brothers and I tested that advice during our own lives and found that he was absolutely correct.

Although I don’t remember any specific instances, a great thing my parents taught us was that life is tough and it’s tougher if you are stupid. They insisted that we do well in school and were very involved in our schooling. Being a nomadic military family, the quality of our public education varied quite a bit but mom and dad did everything they could to smooth out the low points by being involved in our extracurricular lives. They took interest in everything we had interests in. I was a very inquisitive little shit and there was very little I did not take an interest in. I was also very observant and quick to pick up on subtleties. They channeled my interests, which today would be labeled ADHD, by getting me and themselves involved in Scouting, shooting, hunting, fishing, building models, chemistry, astronomy, wood working, geology, cooking, gardening, church, (they were raised Catholic but never pushed it on us) charity, history, and a thousand more subjects and activities. They wanted us kids to go to college but I think we made the correct decision to pass. I too got my ass beat regularly, mostly for being insolent but I was never, ever abused.

My parents began laying down the law with us kids when we were infants. Some of my first and oldest memories are of the many rules we were expected to follow. Those rules never wavered from day to day, year to year or even over the nearly two decades it took to raise us. Even as adults, when we return for a visit, many of the rules still apply. My parents expected a lot from us because they invested a lot! The most important lesson they taught us was that, not only is life not fair, it is not meant to ever be fair. Had they thought of it, I could easily imagine my parents saying that “life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get”. The remedy for this was to ALWAYS look out for number one because NO ONE would ever look out for you like you will. They managed to instill this without making us into a bunch of selfish assholes. As an extension of our own natural interests, we found ourselves giving our toys away to charity, visiting orphans, visiting old folks homes, assisting elderly neighbors and participating in things like the March of Dimes Walkathon. However, I do still view myself as very selfish but I feel absolutely comfortable with that.

Another lesson they taught that is more to my point is to forget about “Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda”. In many ways that is what the blame game is about. Whether we are talking about entitled Boomers or lazy Millennials or Criminal Bankers, accessing blame is largely a waste of time and is very detrimental because sheople get hung up on who or what to blame instead of being observant and taking advantage of opportunities that occur even in fucked up situations. Most of us here are preppers in one way or another but we spend considerable time bitching about or assigning blame. Perhaps it is simply cathartic for us to play the blame game in light of immense size of the problems we face but many here seem to be genuinely bitter about many things including Boomers. I say fuck that…….get on with making lemonade out of lemons. I try to learn as much as I can from as many people and situations as possible and then use that knowledge to make my life better.
I_S

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20th December 2012 at 2:40 pm

152. Micro-Be says:

TPC –

It sounds very flat. Since you are a coffee drinker have you any knowledge about the levels of mycotoxins found in a lot of coffee? Coffee tends to really screw me up, used to think it was the bean but I’m starting to believe it is mycotoxin. Don’t know to much about it atm. I’m a Tennessean that wonders around. Currently I’m in the crazy Bay Area because I like the atmosphere and there are loads of start ups doing great research and product development. The opportunities for the “green gold rush” are also wide, especially if you have a green thumb, since it seems this is one of the only growth industries one can be a part of with a minimal investment.

Olga-

Wow, what you have said really speaks volumes. You have encapsulated the entirety of the problem in one sentence. Bravo and thanks for that! It really has given me pause on some positions of mine.

Peace to you all.

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20th December 2012 at 2:51 pm

153. SAH says:

Things Boomers need to hear in their old age:

“ I’m not buying you a new Rascal Scooter. You think money grows on trees?”

“You’re not going out dressed like that, are you? What will your grandchildren think?”

“I slave all day to pay for your Social Security and Medicare!”

“You don’t know what it’s like being a latch key kid. WE had it rough.”

“Kids in China have jobs, because you sent the jobs there, dammit.”

“You see all the debt we have? You did this to us.”

“Turn off the damn lights in your McMansion. You think electricity is free?”

“You don’t know the meaning of sacrifice.”

“Cut your hair! At least look respectable.”

“You don’t know how lucky you are.”

“At least you could show some respect.”

“You don’t know the value of things.”

“Why don’t you appreciate anything?”

“Quit acting like a bum!”

Some things never change, and I have opted out of posting because I’m not going to interrupt your hypocritical self-congratulatory Boomerfest, as the depths of crazy have been amusing to watch. What I got out of reading Stucky’s piece and the comments is this: 1. Boomers aren’t to blame for anything they did in their youth – it was their Parents fault and the fault of the elder generations who were in power 2. Boomers aren’t to blame for anything they’ve done as adults or any of the problems experienced by the current youth, because we can’t blame our parents nor the elder generation who is in power.

This was my favorite though “Imagine you have just one older sibling, and your parents referred to him/her as “The Greatest Kid”. It just might fuck you up!” Yeah, Gen Xers have no idea what that would be like at all…

That’s all. Resume to jerking each other off, Boomers. Please, continue with your own self-absorbtion and delusions of non-culpability and greatness… The rest of us are going to quietly wait for the next 25 +/- years it go by. When you’re all finally off this planet, Colma and I can collaborate on a book to explain to younger generations who never had the pleasure of knowing you exactly why their lives are shit. There is still hope for the youth, although Boomers have stacked the deck to ensure the failure of the future, our lives haven’t played out yet – we still have a chance. On the other hand, Boomers actions and choices are done and can be judged: Guilty.

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20th December 2012 at 2:57 pm

154. Olga says:

I am not saying that people were not defaulting or abusing the system. (Although I do question the extent of the abuse and necessity of the solution versus other potential fixes)

I am having difficulty with the idea that the number of individuals taking on college debt to *avoid Viet Nam* – the original claim – were so incredibly numerous, had accumulated such massive loans and were defaulting to such an extreme that by 1998 – 20+ years after the war was over – Congress was obliged to come to the banks’ rescue.

Boomers – perhaps

Draft-dodgers – seems a bit implausible.

Okay – it’s time to get my hair done – I need to look good for the “Embrace the Doom” bonfire tomorrow night!

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20th December 2012 at 3:03 pm

155. flash says:

backwardsevolution, I’m sorry you weren’t born with the equipment to be a man.Try being a woman instead. They’re as valuable to a stable and civilized society as as men, just in different ways.

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20th December 2012 at 3:09 pm

156. flash says:

SAH , sorry boomers fucked up your life so bad. It must be a bitch to be you..carrying around all the vitriolic bile must get awfully burdensome…care to talk?

Maybe if you could just get your balls back , snowflake ,you could man up and face the harsh reality that life’s a bitch and then you die, or you continue on into oblivion whining about the raw deal you got and how those you deem responsible should pay a price.
Here’ s hoping you get your pound of flesh ,before it turns to an ounce of dust.

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20th December 2012 at 3:18 pm

157. flash says:

Hey,as long as we’re playing the blame game , let’s go all the way back to the mid 19 century and discuss radical abolitionist guilt of not only fostering the disunion of the state , but instigating a constant state of war by sabotage and subterfuge of Southern states property rights, blocking free speech and engender insurrection among slaves in hopes they rise up and mass murder all Southern whites,even the innocent.

If the abolitionists hadn’t instigated a war of might makes right , there just might be two choices of residency in a centrally controlled police state, instead of the one.

Good Hater: George Henry Hoyt’s War on Slavery [Kindle Edition]
Bill Hoyt (Author)

Massachusetts abolitionist George Henry Hoyt treated the Civil War as a John Brown raid on an epic scale. A young Boston lawyer who briefly represented Old Brown following the Harper’s Ferry Affair, Hoyt followed John Brown’s son back to Kansas, where he joined the Kansas Seventh Volunteer Cavalry, known contemptuously in Missouri as Jennison’s Jayhawkers. While rising from Second Lieutenant at the war’s beginning to Brevet Brigadier General at its end, Hoyt consistently treated the Union army as a mere tool for pursuing abolition through direct action. As the chief of the Red Legs – Kansas’ most feared and hated irregular outfit – Hoyt used the power of the Union to punish regular Missourians for the evils of slavery.

http://www.amazon.com/Good-Hater-George-Slavery-ebook/dp/B008ET8BZA

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20th December 2012 at 3:34 pm

158. Colma Rising says:

Flash: You’re a retard.

SAH: Great breakdown. I saw that list in the piece and, unlike many I didn’t say “Oh, he’s not the typical boomer”…. Holy shit THAT WAS THE BIGGEST BOOMER SOB EVER. No less, we shall certainly collaborate on a book together and hopefully, it will be before these fucking clowns, as Reverse “Pretend You’re Retarded” Engineer would say, go to the Great Beyond.

Stucky: Your parents KNEW better! You call that list MATERIALISM? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

It’s almost the opposite. It’s good sense. It’s absolutely sane. It’s what’s been missing for over 40 years now. The whole idea reeks of “abused child” syndrome. It’s like Xers with their star wars collections…. deprived of Lando by their hippie parents so they pay $50 as soon as they get a job…. Only far far worse. Far far worse. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 8 1 20th December 2012 at 4:11 pm 159. Stucky says: “Boomers aren’t to blame for anything they did in their youth” —- SAH NEVER said that. Read for comprehension. . “it was their Parents fault and the fault of the elder generations who were in power” — SAH NEVER said that. Read for comprehension. . “Boomers aren’t to blame for anything they’ve done as adults or any of the problems experienced by the current youth …blah blah yada yada” NEVER said that. Read for comprehension. But thanks for playing. . “Resume to jerking each other off, Boomers.” —- SAH Just when I thought we were kinda getting along … oh well … I gotta say it anyway. You are seriously fucked up in the head. Really, seriously, truly … you are mentally ill. Two things no one will ever know about you; 1) the real reason for your anti boomer freakouts, 2) if your anger prevents you from getting orgasms. Don’t misunderstand me, your derangement has NOTHING to do with your views on Boomers. If you want to remain ignorant, then remain ignorant, what the hell do I care? As I mentioned, I didn’t post the article for Haters. Haters gonna hate, they’re incapable of learning. It has everything to do with your vile and irrational anger. You couldn’t just be decent in your disagreement, like several here have been.. Nooooo. We’re all self congratulating masturbators. Nice. Really, get some help from a shrink. Check yourself into a Mental Ward before you turn into the next Adam Lanza. Yeah, you ARE that fucked up. But thanks for playing. Or, turn you life over to Jeebus. God Bless, May He Have Mercy On Your Soul Hot debate. What do you think? 5 6 20th December 2012 at 4:11 pm 160. flash says: Coma, let get this straight, do the minnies begat the next generation of boomers or do they pump out some silents? I’ll admit it….Asstrology is hard. Like or Dislike: 3 4 20th December 2012 at 4:19 pm 161. Colma Rising says: Don’t worry about astrology, flash, work on your tranny fetish. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 2 20th December 2012 at 4:22 pm 162. Colma Rising says: LOL I’ll be back. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 2 20th December 2012 at 4:30 pm 163. Stucky says: Colma I tried to make peace with you. You just keep piling on. Oh, well. You choose to remain a small minded man. I thought you were better than that. Must be lonely here for you … no one else agreeing with your vile bile. Oh, wait! You have SAH … you two can congratulate each other how correct each of you are … “nice job Colma!” … “nice llist SAH!!” …. hahaha …. we get to witness live this mental masturbation … maybe you two can take the next step and get a room. It must really really piss you off … all the positive comments here ……… and that the negative comments weren’t negative enough. Just pisses you both off. Your eyes red? Nostrils flaring? Heart beating faster right now? Banging real hard on the keyboard? What a sad sad day for you two … that people here don’t hate boomers as much as you want them too. hahahaha. Get that “Sticky” label out SAH. Post pics of Randy cuming Colma. Do it! The world waits to see more of your ummm intelligence. Hot debate. What do you think? 6 5 20th December 2012 at 4:31 pm 164. flash says: Coma, the question was serious.Are the minnies/heroes so great that they rear another generation of selfish and irresponsible boomers or better? Are humans mere components in a perpetual cosmic boom and bust cycle? I await judgement from your superior intellect . Like or Dislike: 2 3 20th December 2012 at 4:39 pm 165. flash says: A peace offering . Sure , I’m a transgressor and are prone to lose the path , but this doesn’t mean I don’t know the way . Desiderata Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons, they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs; for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals; and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be critical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. © Max Ehrmann 1927 Like or Dislike: 0 2 20th December 2012 at 4:46 pm 166. Llpoh says: Sah turns into Mr Hyde whenever abortion or boomers are mentioned. Obviously bitter about something. Colma chooses sah’s side in this fight. Go figure. Come on Colma, BES is not a real argument. I have explained in depth that the younger generation is full of knuckleheads, too. Are you listening? Fact is, people in general are idiots – boomers, millenials,Xs, Ys, etc etc etc. Given the chance they will all fuck up, live for today, borrow into oblivion. Notice who voted for Obama by age group? Seriously, that tells you all you need to know about the younger generations. Boomers may have baked the cake, but the youngsters sure as hell are icing it with their great decision making – Obama, arts degrees, credit card debt, igizmos, etc. Yep – olenty oif blame to go around. And lots of stupid folk to make mistakes. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 13 7 20th December 2012 at 4:53 pm 167. flash says: Colma Rising says: LOL I’ll be black. me too!…got this in vinyl. Like or Dislike: 3 2 20th December 2012 at 5:04 pm 168. Zack M. says: Admin. I’m sorry but I didn’t notice any kick in the balls. Your posts today make it very clear who has the thin skin and who is an intolerant egomaniac. Olga set you straight on the student loan deal. Fuck You, you moron. There -can I stay around and play now? Hot debate. What do you think? 5 10 20th December 2012 at 5:04 pm 169. Administrator says: Only two Boomers could conclude that they set me straight on when restrictions on discharging student loans in bankruptcy began. I guess all those facts and a detailed timeline of the restrictions was too much for your Boomer pea brain. That is one thing you can say about dumbass Boomers like yourself – they are always sure and always wrong. You can stay around as long as you like. I like having a retard to kick around. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 7 1 20th December 2012 at 5:10 pm 170. Administrator says: Actual picture of Baby Boomer Zack demanding his fair share. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 10 0 20th December 2012 at 5:13 pm 171. juan says: benefits may be terminated if you leave the United States for more than six months. i didn’t know that, thanks stucky. nice to get useable info here along with the great testimonies such as yours and indentured. mr colma – it seems to me that stucky has way too many friends here and your efforts to turn the tide of public opinion are like fighting the sea, but carry on, it makes the party that much more interesting Like or Dislike: 3 1 20th December 2012 at 5:29 pm 172. Llpoh says: Zack has spunk. Hope he has cast iron nuts, too, as he will need them with posts like that. Zack – if you really want to get back in Admin’s favor, heap praise on Krugman and deride Ron Paul. He will thank you for it, and you will be welcomed here always. Juan – nice post. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 10 1 20th December 2012 at 5:34 pm 173. screech says: Stucky: I don’t stop by here much anymore. But, luckily, I did for your fine effort. Thanks. And best of the season to you and yours. Screech Like or Dislike: 4 2 20th December 2012 at 5:50 pm 174. Calamity says: Stucky, I wasn’t limiting the power of the boomer voting bloc to just the main election. I was more talking about the primaries. I registered republican this year the first time, donated campaign money for the first time, and was VERY involved for the first time for RON PAUL. The old guy who wasn’t too tired who still gives a shit about where the country is going. But we all know how that turned out and how many boomers went out to the polls for anybody other then Ron Paul. Not to mention the millionaire/billionaire donors who gave money to every campaign other then Ron Paul. The leadership I was talking about isn’t just limited to politics. Yes, the old geezers do lead the revolutions. I won’t get into the American, French, Russian revolutions as an examples because of how long ago they did happen. Just look at the recent Egypt revolution. It didn’t start to really get going until older people got involved. Mubarak lost all his power when the leaders of the military and police spoke out and refuse to carry out his orders. I don’t view boomers to be the they broke it so fix way. We saw how that worked for our banking and monetary system. But seeing as boomers are not getting out of the way, retiring, and handing the reins over to the next generation; so they better start leading. Otherwise they are going to get thrown under the bus when the old civic order gets swept away. If they stand in the way much longer, everybody that wants the country to sway a different way, won’t care what happens to them. Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 0 20th December 2012 at 6:25 pm 175. AWD says: “Pandora’s Box is an artifact in Greek mythology, taken from the myth of Pandora’s creation in Hesiod’s Works and Days. The “box” was actually a large jar] given to Pandora, which contained all the evils of the world.” And if only she hadn’t opened the box, but she did. What better analogy of boomers is there? Many stable decades, stable morals, values, ethics, and spirituality had to be done away with. The anti-establishment clarion call of boomers wiped away the social fiber of our nation, allowing for recklessness and the destruction of the family, and indulgence in anything and everything. Once the social fiber is gone, once it’s okay to do anything your want, without regard for the consequences or who will have to pay, it’s the beginning of the end. Greed, sloth, gluttony, pride, wrath, envy, all on display. Once that social fiber, the one that holds a society together, is destroyed, it’s just a matter of time until everything degenerates into chaos. What better word to describe what is happening to this country. It’s okay to lie, cheat, steal. Morals and values are gone. It’s okay turn responsibility for your life over to someone else. Personal independence and freedom are so overrated. Nothing matters anymore, and anything goes. Eat, drink, take drugs, spend and borrow as much as you can. Support the immoral, the evil, the blood sucking parasites. It’s all been allowed, the genie is out of the bottle, Pandora’s box has been opened. Every single civilization in the history of mankind, no matter how great, rich or virtuous, has dissolved. Every civilization had their equivalent of boomers, and the result has always been the same. We are watching our civilization dissolve, from within, there are no moral, ethical, or values to anchor us anymore. Soon the social contract itself (go to work, not kill each other) will dissolve, and our civilization will dissolve, like every one before it. It’s not the economy or the government that matters, it’s what’s inside the mind and heart of each American. And there is nothing left, nothing sacred anymore, nothing’s shocking, the end is truly near. Moral relativism, making excuses and rationalizations for their behavior, and the destruction it’s caused, physically, mentally and spiritually. They opened Pandora’s box, and let out all the evils of the world. No going back now. The end is truly near. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 6 20th December 2012 at 6:43 pm 176. Colma and SAH says: “Fact is, people in general are idiots – boomers, millenials,Xs, Ys, etc etc etc.” —- llpoh NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! ONLY Boomers are idiots. We say so, goddammit!! ONLY Boomers are fuckups. EVERY other generation is flawless. Fuck you,llpoh, you nincompoop captitalist Boomer Pig. Once Boomers die off everthing will be A-OK. Your factory will run at full capacity. Your dog will stop pissing on your leg. Please, what must we do to convince you?? Repeat after us; BBES, BBES, BBES. They really do, dammit!! Hot debate. What do you think? 3 7 20th December 2012 at 7:14 pm 177. Reverse Engineer says: My Boomer Life and the Greatest Generation Parents Who Raised Me by Stucky now UP on the Diner Blog! http://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/2012/12/20/my-boomer-life-and-the-greatest-generation-parents-who-raised-me/ The article has been “Dinerized” to include Videos and Graphics to illustrate Stucky’s awesome prose. RE Like or Dislike: 4 2 20th December 2012 at 7:39 pm 178. flash says: AWD, bummers opened Pandora’s box? Thanks for reminding me what a worthless POS you are and again why I never trust any asshole in the medical profession. It’s no wonder women puke on your pillow, Grow a dick and get a life you silly, spineless wannabee man Like or Dislike: 2 4 20th December 2012 at 7:50 pm 179. flash says: AWD…you’re a punk albeit an educated one , but still a balless punk..look in the mirror..learn to be man or STFU. Like or Dislike: 1 4 20th December 2012 at 7:54 pm 180. underfire says: ThePessimisticChemist says: My fucking god. My boomer father in law is drunk of his ass (par for the course, this is a 5 day a week thing)” “Cries and whines all the fucking time about his hard knock life. LIterally, its a daily occurrence.” “Fuck I need this house buying process to finish. I hate having to put up with this shit on a daily basis.” You live with your father in law? No wonder he’s drunk all the time and crying about his hard knock life. I would be too. Hot debate. What do you think? 4 4 20th December 2012 at 8:14 pm 181. Stucky says: RE Holy crap!! NICE JOB on the graphics !!! I lost my password. When I get it I’ll stop by tomorrow and say “Hello”. Like or Dislike: 2 2 20th December 2012 at 8:15 pm 182. ThePessimisticChemist says: @flash – Compared to you, my 2 year old dog is educated. Like or Dislike: 3 0 20th December 2012 at 8:27 pm 183. ThePessimisticChemist says: @underfire – You’d be blessed to be in my august presence darlin’. As is everyone else on TBP. underfire trying to troll on TBP Like or Dislike: 4 0 20th December 2012 at 8:32 pm 184. underfire says: @ThePessimisticChemist …..SHIT, how did you get a picture of my GEN X next door neighbor?? Like or Dislike: 1 2 20th December 2012 at 8:47 pm 185. ThePessimisticChemist says: @underfire – You must have schizophrenia, because that is quite clearly YOU my friend. Probably a result of your drug fueled orgies during the 60s. Like or Dislike: 4 1 20th December 2012 at 8:51 pm 186. i'm with ->stupid says: …boomers are not getting out of the way, retiring, and handing the reins over to the next generation. you’ll get your turn soon enough. by the time your generation takes over, we should all be keeled over. then you shall have to answer for all the troubles of the world and no one will accept your excuse that ‘we didn’t start the fire’. the suggestion that boomers opened a pandora’s box is a canard. boomers did not invent sex, drugs and rock and roll. that has been going on since the beginning of civilization. human misbehavior provoked the great flood. shall we call those ante-deluvians, boomers? i find it hard to defend a group i do not know but from anecdotal evidence, boomers are saints, yes, but there are also boomers who are sinners. i read a wonderful proustian-like article on the properties of water (i wish stucky would find it), it said that standing water can have molecules that are near the freezing point while other molecules are near the boiling point. i imagine the boomer society to be the same way. if you insist on lumping boomers into one monolithic mass, i’d say there is no science to your method. so you can either reject my argument theologically or scientifically or what? Well-loved. Like or Dislike: 6 1 20th December 2012 at 8:52 pm 187. Spaceman says: RE Great job. Stucky Read your entire article, great job of summarizing who we and the parents that raised us are all about. One question: How the fuck did you rate$1.35 an hour? I started out making pizzas at $1.00 an hour when I was 12. lol Like or Dislike: 3 1 20th December 2012 at 9:05 pm 188. SAH says: Shame on you Stucky…. Mr “I’m crying my eyes out with empathy over the children at Sandy Hook elementary” – children who were murdered. A few days later you are casually calling me an “Adam Lanza” for criticizing your generation? How dare you trivialize the pain and suffering of the children who lost their lives and the parents who lost children with an outrageous false comparison like that? Oh wait, I forgot, you are part of the most selfish, narcissistic generation to ever walk the planet – and your crocodile tears for the children of Sandy Hook were just solipsistic acting to draw attention to yourself, and now you name drop referring to dead children to draw attention to your pain at having your generation criticized – because obviously to a soulless narcissistic Boomer like you being criticized is a crime on par with child murder. You are pathetic, and disingenuous, and I will never again be fooled into thinking you possess anything that even simulated human emotion. Also, Re: us ‘getting along’ didn’t you post a giant, disgusting transsexual Boomer and say it was ‘SAH’ long before I commented on your little article? What a piece of shit. You and flash started with personal, disgusting insults before I made a single comment. My single comment was directed at your generation, and not at anyone on TBP personally. You and flash don’t even wait for me to say a word before I’m attacked personally. Who is really vile and hateful here? @Llpoh – your first comment was the only intelligent and self aware one made by a Boomer… Then you went into mindless ‘dog pile’ mode and cast your lot with the idiocy of flash and Stucky. Don’t you know that the ‘dog pile’ with those 2 just means you’re diving into shit? You constantly disappoint me with the fleeting and inconsistent nature of your intelligence. You shouldn’t let inferior brains represent you for some false form of Boomer popularity. You are better than that, and you know it, but obviously don’t care. Honestly, this entire thread with the exception of Colma, Admin, AWD and Micro-be bores me to tears. I guess Stucky wrote this thinking that younger people who don’t like the BB generation just lack hearing about them enough and understanding them, their lives, times, feelings, experiences etc… That maybe if we just focus on BB ad infinitum that we will no longer be ‘ignorant’ and will finally come to appreciate the wonders of BB. It’s quite the contrary, Stucky, we’ve heard nothing but BB-this and BB-that our whole lives. We had you as parents, teachers, professors, bosses. We’ve heard all about your childhoods, adolescence, adulthood and now AARP, to the point that our whole lives and the whole goddamn world have revolved around you BB for as long as we’ve been on Earth. It’s fucking boring. Familiarity breeds contempt. Hot debate. What do you think? 5 6 20th December 2012 at 9:09 pm 189. Gayle says: Stucky When I read your original post, I said to myself, “Well, this is going to cause a shitstorm.” Maybe it’s time to call a truce, agree to disagree, get ready for the end of the world tomorrow, and if we survive, turn our focus towards Peace on Earth, Good Will Toward Men and all that for the next few days. Like or Dislike: 2 0 20th December 2012 at 9:58 pm 190. backwardsevolution says: Karl Denninger said this about Social Security: “Social Security is mostly a non-issue, but for the intentional destruction of its funding base with the payroll tax cut. That must be rescinded now. With it rescinded a relatively modest set of changes, specifically indexing the full benefit age to longevity and changing the COLA formula to CPI instead of the wage index, bring the system close enough to balance over the next 75 years that standing alone it becomes a non-event. But Peter, along with the rest of the people on the Hill and the various commentators on left and right, intentionally take this part of the problem, which is simple and easily-fixed, and conflate it with Medicare and Medicaid, which can only be fixed by stuffing a major lobbying force into the hole and killing it — the medical industry and their cadre of harpies. [...] Medical spending by the Federal Government has gone from$53 billion in 1980 to approximately $850 billion last year. There is no “gradual” way to deal with this — you have to slam the medical industry’s fingers in the door and then chop the protruding pieces off or the theft will continue until the budget blows up and so does the government.” http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=214571 Karl sees the major problem with Medicare/Medicaid. He often asks why the price of an MRI has gone to the moon while prices for everything technological has come way down. Like or Dislike: 1 0 20th December 2012 at 10:20 pm 191. Colma Rising says: Sticky said: “Must be lonely here for you … no one else agreeing with your vile bile. Oh, wait! You have SAH … you two can congratulate each other how correct each of you are …” Actually, I don’t feel lonely at all. Hell, I’d even wager I’m not, actually. (It’s a blog, dude.) Sticky said: ” …..Just pisses you both off. Your eyes red? Nostrils flaring?” Not at all. (It’s a blog, dude) Stuchenwhakin’ said: ” Post pics of Randy cuming Colma. Do it! The world waits to see more of your ummm intelligence.” You totally reminded me!!!! Stucky and “The World” (its a blog, dude) Like or Dislike: 4 3 20th December 2012 at 10:22 pm 192. ThePessimisticChemist says: @Spaceman – I made significantly less money as a farm kid than$1 an hour. I worked 5 hours a day M-F, and 8 hours on Saturday, and 5 hours on Sunday.

Thats 33 hours a week during the school year, it increased dramatically during the summer when I helped local farmers pitch hay in exchange for them giving us “free” bales for our cattle.

I had a $20 a month allowance. When I turned 14 it increased to$50 a month, but I also had to haul grain and buy my own gas with that money, so it wasn’t really an increase at all.

This isn’t an “oh woe is me” post. Without my background I wouldn’t be who I am today, so in a way I’m very thankful for my upbringing. I guess I just wanted you guys to realize where I’m coming from. Not all of us sat around watching Saturday morning cartoons and playing video games in our spare time.

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20th December 2012 at 10:22 pm

193. Colma Rising says:

I wore my BBES shirt to school. I was asked what it means.

Definitely lots of folks who agree.

Kids these days: Inspiring

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20th December 2012 at 10:38 pm

194. Llpoh says:

Sah – my 2 posts were consistent. Lots of boomer mistakes. Lots of mistakes by older and younger gens. Boomers will get the benefits, the younger the bills. Sucks but that is luck of the draw.

That the younger gens are buying into Obama’s promise that the welfare bennies will and can continue is proof positive the younger gens are just as stupid as the older.

Everyone needs to wise up, but it will not happen.

Gayle – bah, humbug.

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20th December 2012 at 10:49 pm

195. Stucky says:

Gayle

I already tried the truce thing with Colma. He flies off with a string of invectives that is even over the top by TPB standards …. I write a light-hearted post to Colma and wish him a Merry Christmas … well, lotta good that did!

Nevertheless, it is the Christmas Season and while me and Jeebus have had a falling out, I still abide by some Biblical Principles. One of them is; — “Do not let the sun go down on your wrath.” That why Ms Freud and I NEVER go to sleep mad at each other.

Tomorrow is a new day. Sufficient enough will those troubles be without me carrying over the burdens of the previous day. It’s not like I’ll run to the computer and hate on SAH or Colma or vote down all their posts. It’s just not that important to me. Trust me on that.

But tomorrow is still one hour away. So, for now, they can both “Blow Me”!!

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20th December 2012 at 11:06 pm

196. Novista says:

Zack old thing …

I guess you never read the 1936 original Social Security pamphlet. I was luck enough to retrieve it and put it as a section of the book I wrote, along with other clues. Stucky had one. Oh yes, I also posted that section of the book here.

“In 1940, then, about 42 workers began paying for every one retiree. Yes, of course! how can you be saving for yourself when the scheme started and began to cover those who came before you???
The first SS retiree:
The first monthly payment was issued on January 31, 1940 to Ida May Fuller of Ludlow, Vermont. In 1937, 1938 and 1939 she paid a total of $24.75 into the Social Security System. Her first check was for$22.54. After her second check, Fuller already had received more than she contributed over the three-year period. She lived to be 100 and collected a total of $22,888.92. By 1950, the ratio of workers to retirees was 16 to one. Today there are less than three.” And then there was this in addition to Stucko’s … “In a U.S. Supreme Court case, Helvering v. Davis (1937), the court held that Social Security is not an insurance program, saying: “The proceeds of both (employee and employer) taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way.” On the Flemming v. Nestor decision: “Health, Education and Welfare Secretary (Arthur Sherwood) Flemming stated in his brief: “The contribution exacted under the Social Security plan is a true tax. It is not comparable to a premium promising the payment of an annuity commencing at a designated age.” And this: In 1997, Paul Krugman wrote for the Boston Review: “Social Security is structured from the point of view of the recipients as if it were an ordinary retirement plan: what you get out depends on what you put in. So it does not look like a redistributionist scheme. “In practice it has turned out to be strongly redistributionist, but only because of its Ponzi game aspect, in which each generation takes more out than it put in. “Well, the Ponzi game will soon be over, thanks to changing demographics, so that the typical recipient henceforth will get only about as much as he or she put in (and today’s young may well get less than they put in).” And from Walter E. Williams: “a man reaching age 65 in the year 2000 could expect to receive$71,000 more in government transfer payments (of which the largest amount is Social Security) than he paid in taxes. But a 20-year-old man who entered the workforce in the year 2000 can expect to pay \$312,000 more in taxes than he will ever receive in benefits.”

=Your- money back?

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20th December 2012 at 11:08 pm

197. Stucky says:

SAH

It’s late. I’m going to bed. Tomorrow …. well, read above. So I have not and will not read your latest post (it seems long). We almost kept this from becoming a shitfest. But then you and Colma showed up. Oh, well. I’ll bet it was a doozy though.

Happy Mayan End Of The World Day

PS … you should really click on RE’s link … he did a GREAT job with the graphics.

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20th December 2012 at 11:17 pm

198. Novista says:

I_S … “not teaching me more about money. ” LOL.

As I was born in 1936, I got the regular lecture often from mom: “Ya gots to know the value of a dollah.” I think that echoes right back to age four or so …

Not quite sure when I started to notice things didn’t add up, like “Inflation is just high prices caused by profit-gouging.” Well, when I knew better and tried explain it to her, it didn’t take. Her second aria often was “we worked for a dollah a day in the great depression.” (So what would you know?) Heh.

When I was writing the Money series, I could imagine her looking down, or up … or anyway over my shoulder and she probably still doesn’t get it.

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20th December 2012 at 11:29 pm

199. Anonymous says:

Adam Lanza has shown the world what being a millennial means.

I dont care about anyone but me and I hate me

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20th December 2012 at 12:32 am

200. juan says:

but for the intentional destruction of its funding base with the payroll tax cut…social security could work for a while longer. unfortunately, it looks like the effort is to kill it by underfunding it, same as has been stated as a goal for shrinking the government. empty the coffers, pass the loot out to the managers of this country and when it comes time to pay out benefits to the last boomer and the first millenial, the story will be that the system is now totally broke, so sorry.
you watch these things play out and you shake your head, thinking, just how gullible do they think we are? extremely. i watched the fed manipulate rates down to the point where it became a free for all as the maestro urged consumers to take out varible rate mortgages. i watched boomers and millenials go on a spending spree. i got caught up in it myself but owing to my age, my testosterone levels were fluctuating and my estrogen levels might have been rising, something in the back of my head tried to tell me, you’ve seen their game plan, don’t fall for it.
if you have figured out the game plan here, i can understand your fears, fears which translate into loathing. 1946, huh? the first boomers ought to be coming of full retirement age, will the levees hold or will the tsunami of applicants flood the highlands and wash the remaining funds out to sea? hate me all you want but i have a few more years to wait to find out if there’s any money left, boomer or not.

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20th December 2012 at 12:52 am

201. Anonymous says:

Shame on you Stucky…. Mr “I’m crying my eyes out with empathy over the children at Sandy Hook elementary” – children who were murdered. A few days later you are casually calling me an “Adam Lanza” for criticizing your generation? How dare you trivialize the pain and suffering of the children who lost their lives and the parents who lost children with an outrageous false comparison like that? Oh wait, I forgot, you are part of the most selfish, narcissistic generation to ever walk the planet – and your crocodile tears for the children of Sandy Hook were just solipsistic acting to draw attention to yourself, and now you name drop referring to dead children to draw attention to your pain at having your generation criticized – because obviously to a soulless narcissistic Boomer like you being criticized is a crime on par with child murder. You are pathetic, and disingenuous, and I will never again be fooled into thinking you possess anything that even simulated human emotion. -SAH

I wont answer for stucky because I can not.

As I am part of the boomer generation, and wildly blamed for being part of it, then, by the ridiculous theory of boomerism, you, are part of the Lanza culture… like it or not. Perhaps you will see things in a different way having been pigeon-holed as you do others, though you will deny this.

@Llpoh – your first comment was the only intelligent and self aware one made by a Boomer… Then you went into mindless ‘dog pile’ mode and cast your lot with the idiocy of flash and Stucky. Don’t you know that the ‘dog pile’ with those 2 just means you’re diving into shit? You constantly disappoint me with the fleeting and inconsistent nature of your intelligence. You shouldn’t let inferior brains represent you for some false form of Boomer popularity. You are better than that, and you know it, but obviously don’t care. -SAH

I am not llpoh, but I have looked at this site often and the dog pile mode is made mostly by your age group and not by the ones your era castigates. As for the rest of your tirade….what do you hope do achieve by it?

.

“..have revolved around you BB for as long as we’ve been on Earth. It’s fucking boring. Familiarity breeds contempt. -SAH

The heavens do not revolve around me. That is well understood. State your desires without contempt for your offspring will also view you with contempt. And you would not want that, would you?

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20th December 2012 at 12:54 am

202. Anonymous says:

I wore my BBES shirt to school. I was asked what it means. -Colma

A You mean college

B You wonder why the majority of America, young and old, dont read Strauss and Howe or think millennials offer a cure even though they think we are on the wrong course.

You may as well be a MUFON Colma

You cant change the world in your lifetime, Many a nutjob has tried to do so by pointing a finger. None have ended well.

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20th December 2012 at 1:02 am

203. juan says:

stucky – calling somebody lanza is currently tantamount to calling them hitler, until the next mass murderer. as a swift kick in the pants (see pic above) it works beautifully. however, you run the risk of getting your own holiday ornaments banged together
my impression is that you and colma are like the protagonists of the movie ‘life of pi’, you work together better to educate us readers when you respect each other’s point of view. believe me, i have been enlightened these past few days reading both your comments. pi’s dad said, do not make the mistake of seeing your emotions in his eyes, (he is instinctual).

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20th December 2012 at 1:08 am

204. Anonymous says:

You want to wreck America, fine, then the best way to do so is propaganda and make your fellow citizens the cause celebre for all the nations ills.

Who else has tried this? Hitler comes to mind. The only difference here being Hitler and crew demonized the Juden and the Strauss and Howed demonize the boomers.

So, go ahead, do this, and you will do more harm to America than any group before you.

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20th December 2012 at 1:09 am

205. Kill Bill says:

calling somebody lanza is currently tantamount to calling them hitler, Juan

Wait, you cant lay blame on others?

Shocking news.

What will the straussians do?

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20th December 2012 at 1:11 am

206. IndenturedServant says:

@Novista, Point taken. I was thinking more along the lines of sitting your kids down with you when you pay your bills every week etc. Show them incomes and expenses. Explain how to plan and save for periodic expenses like insurance & taxes. Most importantly, teach them to save. Then teach them to do the same with their allowance that they EARN for working their little butts off doing chores. No worky? No money! Teach them about the need for privacy with financial matters.

Imagine if you had saved ten percent of every dollar that ever passed through your hands from age 5 on! Start ‘em off that early and saving 10% will be as natural as brushing your teeth twice a day! Teach them about loans when they *need* money for something special or expensive.

I’ve mentioned before that while living in Spain, my family befriended a Spanish family in our neighborhood. We shared holidays, personal milestones and family milestones. We treated each other like real family. Try being an insolent little shit with what was effectively two moms….you get hit twice or maybe three times if grandma is close by! Anyway, I had an older Spanish sister named Trini. She was no supermodel but was still, so naturally beautiful and graceful that it was startling. She was engaged to be married and this was something to be celebrated and done properly. The whole family gave them support in many ways to give them the best start. They both lived with their parents while working to minimize their personal expenses. The majority of their income was saved to purchase AND fully furnish a house or apartment. Friends and family bought or made them household items they would need to furnish their house and gave them as birthday and Christmas gifts each year. Once this was done, the parents consented to the marriage and they could start their lives from a significantly improved financial position. A beautifully simple arrangement.

You don’t need to be a financial genius to get ahead in this world. Diligence will more than make up for genius over time.

If I had daughters I would teach them to ALWAYS have their own, private savings account in their name only, that would serve as a safety net to get away from an abusive relationship or to get back home if needed. I would hope that I would raise her in a way to preclude that necessity, but it can’t hurt to have a private little stash.
I_S

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20th December 2012 at 1:46 am

207. howard in nyc says:

damn. it has gotten rough in here.

hope i can hang.

(translation–hope i don’t fuck too many of you up too badly, once i get rolling. llpoh, hey, what’s happening man!)

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20th December 2012 at 1:49 am

208. Reverse Engineer says:

“RE

Holy crap!! NICE JOB on the graphics !!!

I lost my password. When I get it I’ll stop by tomorrow and say “Hello”.” -Stucky

Thanks Stuck. I was worried you would be ticked at me for adding to the article, but as I am an expert with long articles ; ) , I felt it would really benefit from the graphics and vids to break up the prose and illustrate a bit.

Looking forward to your visit to the Diner. The article already got its frist crtique from one of the regular Diners, I hadda hammer him for not reading for comprehension. LOL.

I also still salivate over the possibility you will take on our resident Fundy Christian Ashvin Pandurangi and give him a Biblical Spanking. LOL.

RE

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20th December 2012 at 1:53 am

209. llpoh says:

Anonymous, you did some good work. Please provide a pen name so we can keep track of you.

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20th December 2012 at 2:25 am

210. llpoh says:

Howard – as I said elsewhere, I have missed you. We minorities gotta stick together. I have been busy kcking paleface ass, but could have used your insight. Hope you have caught your share of nurses.

Yep – need you to kick some ass around here. Start with Colma – he is getting to big for his britches. Damn young whippersnapper.

I see the caps on your keyboard are still broken. Tradition is a great thing.

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20th December 2012 at 2:37 am

211. Novista says:

Stucky

“over the top by TPB standards ” ?! Chatham Police.

I_S

Good commentary. Thanks.

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20th December 2012 at 6:16 am

212. flash says:

Why can’t we all get along?…jeeze Louise… you’se guys, it’s Christmas and you’re all at each other’s gizzards like a hook -nosed Geinther after a tax loophole….seriously though, Turbo-tax will mess you up.

That said. it warms the cockles of my grizzled old heart to see Pissy C asserting her manhood using her SAH account…what a show..

How about a little X-mas cheer from the family.My favorite Christmas carol.crank it..

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20th December 2012 at 9:17 am

213. Stucky says:

I am so sad, She doesn’t like me anymore! Dammit, why don’t I just keep my mouf shut?

Me, today, the end of the world is upon me.

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20th December 2012 at 9:40 am

214. juan says:

if you are in your 60′s you will get every freaking dime that you paid in plus the money being paid in by the Millenials. how about the money my boss kicked in?
even if we do get any money, there is no guarantee that it will be worth the same as the money we paid, if it is worth anything at all. adjusted for inflation, we may be getting far less. it just seems to me that the group now in charge will find a way to dilute the payout so that it complies with the law but somehow isn’t worth anything, we’ll be getting funny money in return.

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20th December 2012 at 11:04 am

215. nancy says:

Seems to me the GREATEST GENERATION are the ones who set America up for failure. They destroyed our pensions and sic LBJ and his GREAT SOCIETY on us. Look at the result. Also it was NIXON who started the War on Drugs. How can anyone have the nerve to BLAME boomers for that? We were the one’s AFFECTED by it.

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20th December 2012 at 9:55 pm

216. nancy says:

I would love to time travel BACK in about 100 years and see what all the yet to be born generations have to say about GEN X and GEN Y who voted for the RUINOUS obama?

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20th December 2012 at 10:02 pm

217. Stucky says:

Whoever wrote this thread is awesome!!

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20th December 2012 at 10:06 pm