I don’t think there are enough donuts in the country to make this solution feasible. This idea is almost as bad as Obama’s. Nothing like more government in our daily lives. Let’s condition our children to living under the protection of armed thugs. Maybe we can roll out the West Philly solution of bars and cages to cover all the windows of all our schools. This again shows that both the right and the left in this country want more control and power.
NRA calls for armed police officer in every school
WASHINGTON — The nation’s largest gun-rights lobby called Friday for armed police officers to be posted in every American school to stop the next killer “waiting in the wings.”
The National Rifle Association broke its silence on last week’s shooting rampage at a Connecticut elementary school that left 26 children and staff dead.
“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” the group’s top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, said at a Washington news conference.
LaPierre said “the next Adam Lanza,” the man responsible for last week’s mayhem, is planning an attack on another school.
“How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark,” LaPierre said. “A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?”
He blamed video games, movies and music videos for exposing children to a violent culture day in and day out. “In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty right into our homes,” LaPierre said.
He refused to take any questions after speaking. Though security was tight, two protesters were able to interrupt LaPierre’s speech, holding up signs that blamed the NRA for killing children. Both were escorted out, shouting that guns in schools are not the answer.
LaPierre announced that former Rep. Asa Hutchison, R-Ark., will lead an NRA program that will develop a model security plan for schools that relies on armed volunteers.
The 4.3 million-member NRA largely disappeared from public debate after the shootings in Newtown, Conn., choosing atypical silence as a strategy as the nation sought answers after the rampage. The NRA temporarily took down its Facebook page and kept quiet on Twitter.
Since the slayings, President Barack Obama has demanded “real action, right now” against U.S. gun violence and called on the NRA to join the effort. Moving quickly after several congressional gun-rights supporters said they would consider new legislation to control firearms, the president said this week he wants proposals to reduce gun violence that he can take to Congress by January.
Obama has already asked Congress to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and pass legislation that would stop people from purchasing firearms from private sellers without a background check. Obama also has indicated he wants Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity magazines.
Fuck that.
Schools are already enough like prison.
The NRA needs to be supporting an agenda where citizens are responsible for their own safety. Part of that is to stop turning honest people into criminals with touchy feely nonsense like gun free zones.
Jesus, this is like fucking Demolition Man.
fuck the nra, they sold out years ago.
Actually, the Phoenix school system already does this. Our neighbor “worked” in an elementary school.
I think teachers should have the right to carry. If enough don’t, while I don’t like this, I think it is better than doing nothing.
I spent last Christmas Eve in one ER and Christmas day in another ER. Both hospitals had rent a guards, armed ones. Courts have cops, judges pack.
Personally, with Skype and technology, I don’t know why they have brick and mortar schools at all.
If they can’t fix a fake fiscal cliff, I don’t think they will fix society’s ills and get to the root of the problem. Drugs, games, both parents working…
I hate this idea, but it’s better than taking guns.
I thought we already had cops on campus. They did where my kids attended high school. No shootings there, either. The only nutjob shooting I remember took place off-campus at a private party. Maybe that’s why.
Incredibly STupid idea. Expensive, wasteful and most of all ineffective. Let’s say the control people get their dream. Nothing but single shot bolt action rifles, no semi-auto handguns or even nothing but black powder muzzle loading firearms allowed and a cop in every school. Another lunatic like Adam Lanza now knows to commit his school house massacre he needs to kill the cop then take the cops semi-auto handgun and he’s in business.
If we are going to arm anyone in a school it has to be someone a madman cannot target!
Our local high school occasionally has an armed cop and drug dog come through. They search the kids, sniff the lockers and student parkinglot, and occasionally put some drug dealing miscreant in juvie. But mostly they just waste the majority of the students’ time and treat a bunch of good kids like suspects. It’s good conditioning for going through TSA and living in the United Police State of Amerika, where you’re all guilty until proven innocent. Having police in every school might be the most pragmatic real world training the poor kids get in public education. Bar up the windows, put the kids in cages, imprison them, and have armed prison guards in every classroom. Public school exist for the purpose of training the kids to think and live in our society, so we may as well get the police state mentality imprinted early.
If this idea is ever implemented I’d urge any young person in need of a job to apply for elementary school cop. Especially guys. You will have nothing to do all day except flirt with the teachers, take home a nice cop salary and retire at 50 at 90% of your final year salary!
My first reaction to the shooting was that it would mean armed guards patrolling school hallways. Remember, we were discussing a year ago how they were conducting “live shooter exercises” in the schools and we all concluded it was conditioning our kids for a police state in the future?
Well, when this shooting happened, I expected them to make a bigger deal out of how the live shooter exercises actually helped kids and teachers to take cover and do what they needed to avoid detection. My brother’s kids said they’ve had updates in their school, which made them feel a little bit better prepared, should anything happen there.
I’m still on the fence here. I don’t want schools turned into prisons, but I also don’t feel enough of our current crop of teachers would be any good with a weapon. Geez, just look at those cows in Chicago on strike this summer. Until we get halfway competent people to teach, I don’t want to give them weapons, either… they’ve already proven they can’t handle enough responsibility, as it is. Putting a gun in their hands might not be a wise choice, given who teachers are (generally) these days.
That said, I think armed guards outside the schools would at least deter crazed madmen like Lanza. He did this for attention, more than anything else, and chose a school because it would cause the reaction he wanted AND was an easy target, as a gun-free zone.
Let’s have a mixed solution. Cops/armed guards outside the school to stop anyone going in and to respond quickly if something does happen. Administrators and teachers who choose to carry and are trained to handle these situations (i.e., demonstrated proficiency) should be allowed to have guns, as well. And then we need a layer of mental health overhaul… just not with “government oversight” that will be as ineffective as ever.
No cops please, not union ones or NYC style cops that can’t hit shit at 5 yards.
Each school district should create non-union job postings for an armed security guard and hire people with military, private security and professional industry experience.
That of course should be done along with training and arming certain teachers and other staff members of each school.
Regular cop collecting union salary, benefits, eating donuts and hitting on under age girls in school? Go fuck yourself NRA.
MORE JOBS FOR THE NYPD GANG THAT COULDN’T SHOOT STRAIGHT
Empire State Building shooting victim says NYPD fired ‘randomly’ into street
Officers injured nine bystanders as they pursued gunman Jeffrey Johnson, who appeared to have just one intended target
Fence, gate, cctv, armored auto locking classroom doors if intruder gets past perimeter.
Learning Facility of the Future
What the fuck is an armed cop going to do? Follow his training: first, protect himself, then call for back-up, then wait for the SWAT team to arrive. Too late, everyone’s dead already. These union POS don’t protect anybody.
Can anyone post an article where a police officer has actually protected somebody or gunned down somebody else with a gun and saved another person? It doesn’t happen.
Let the teachers carry guns, concealed, the one’s that want to. Don’t force anybody to do so. I’d sure feel ahelluva lot better knowing there were teachers or someone packing at school, and the psycho fuckwads would think twice before facing armed staff at school.
Why the fuck aren’t we allowed to carry concealed weapons?
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You can carry a bullet-proof back-pack or briefcase, but nothing to defend yourself with. Figures.
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“Why the fuck aren’t we allowed to carry concealed weapons?”~AWD
+1 !!
I don’t go to the post office, or church anymore over this crap. When I taught for a year it was one of the reasons I decided not to teach. This world is a fucked up place because of a few nut jobs. Nut jobs like Bernanke, nut jobs like Lanza. People can be social welfare addicts and call the cops and hope they get there in time, or they can grow a fucking pare, take time to educate themselves on retreat and defend when they can’t. To be told you must be a fucking social welfare addict is just fucking wrong.
“Fuck that.
Schools are already enough like prison.
The NRA needs to be supporting an agenda where citizens are responsible for their own safety. Part of that is to stop turning honest people into criminals with touchy feely nonsense like gun free zones.
Jesus, this is like fucking Demolition Man.
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I love the TSA, you have been fined one half credit for violation of the written morality act.
Pastor killed by gunman deflected first four shots with Bible
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/4960231/Pastor-killed-by-gunman-deflected-first-four-shots-with-Bible.html
Fuck that. There is a third Amendment for a reason. We don’t need to encourage more power for police. Already most of them look like military both in dress and weaponry. At least the military is currently directed toward enemies from outside the country. These people direct themselves toward YOU as the enemy.
The criminals will have to think up ways to distract the school cops.
Protect the children
Above posters are absolutely right. The threat of facing an armed household, school, etc. is going to be enough to deter nearly all of these cowardly thugs, who just about all have one thing in common. That they’re cowardly thugs.
The falling violent crime numbers in the face of rising gun ownership over the last few years has proven the benefit of a semi armed population.
I live in a rural area. I can just imagine how vulnerable my household and my neighbors would be if we were known to be unarmed.
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The NRA lost all credibility back when they cut a deal to keep their membership list hidden and fuck anyone else.
“…given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?…”
Well, we have a population of about 310 million. That would be a long list! At least 310 million, minus me and maybe you…maybe.
Keep in mind that cops are NOT above insanity. Here in Manila, not too long ago, a cop went crazy and took a bus load of Chinese tourists hostage on the main avenue, practically in front of the US Embassy. closing the streets nearby for hours until he could be apprehended. Many are just uniformed bullies that like the pay and easy work. TSA anyone?
First of all your average duty cop is just about useless with a weapon. Training budgets for police patrol give almost no ammo for practice and a lot for swat but still not near enough. For instance:
In 1996 I shot competitivly in IPSiC. I shot major caliber and used a paraordinance super 38 race gun that cost about what 3 quality ar type rifles cost now. My rig was a well balanced finely tuned machine and i worked hard to be worthy of this gun. Never really came close to top tier in competition but I enjoyed it and learned a lot of skills. Most of the training was shear repetition and was actually very dull. During league when we shot every sunday i would shoot 450 rounds per day and on friday and saturday i would up this to 750. At one point i had over 11,000 brass cases. I still have my turret press that can chuck about 15 rounds a minute but after about 30 it is about 5 minutes to set up. Do the math this shit takes time.
The competition was always varied and a lot of fun. Tech where they checked safety and chrono where they made sure bullet weight and fps was high enough for your tier be it major or minor. Then it was walk through where they would set up your shoot. A shoot had rules and different scoring based on standardised practical pistol setups. Some would include multiple targets and magazine changes and the really tough ones would include fouled rounds or duds in your magazine that needed to be cleared to continue. For instance 2 of my favorite were bus and body gaurd. Bus you had a narrow shoot lane less than 7 feet across but about 40 feet long. It would have multiple targets but some would be obstructed withno shoot targets and one of them was also a flour bag. You would stage with a tabled weapon and at the horn you would load and shoot. Scores were based on speed and accuracy with no shoot hits going against score. If you hit the flour bag you could not see shit and most gunners just unloaded and retabled and put hand on hat, the sign of finished come count the score. A good score for bus with 5 targets was about 7 seconds with each target getting 2 shots and a magazine change during the round. It was not unusual to have 5 guys within .3 seconds with no missed and no blue shots( hitting a no shoot ) . Bodyguard was the most fun. You stand back to the targets 7 yards away. You have 2 magazines and a dud round in your primary. At the horn you turn and see the targets for the first time and clear holster. You engage targets in whatever order you want and will have to clear a dud and change a magazine. For a 5 target 2 rounds each my best time in league was 5.17 seconds and I was never in the top 5.
So back to police patrolman shooting skills. Some here know my brother is a police officer and was a swat member. During league i had to make a trip to Toledo for a family thing and took my race gun and 1500 rounds of ammo to practice. My brother got permission to allow me access to the facility with him present. My brother knew i was a pretty good gunner but i guess he really did not expect the speed at which race gunners ran targets. The first day the range was almost empty and i set up a nra 5 , one big 10 ring with the4 smaller 7 rings at the corners and proceded to double tap them like I am stamping out cookies. He is using bad guy outlines and doing 2plus2 torso and head and i am wacking 10 rounds in the same amount of time. He is grinning like a fool and asks if he can try my race gun. Gotta be that star wars piece brother try that shit with my duty piece. Ok lets swap.
Remember i shoot major and he has a 9mm. There will be a test.
So i take his 9 mm double stacker and compared to the bounce from my race gun it is like shooting a cap gun. I get faster. He shoots one shot and about drops my 3k pistol. Like most practicle shooters my pistol recoils DOWN as to not obstruct the view. He was braced and expected a muzzle rise. HA!
so my brother comes up with a plan for us to shoot for free the next couple of days. We get to the range and look for games. Competition. Bets.
Now i really could not show up with my race gun and get a bet but my brother had another duty weapon I could borrow and it was of to the races so to speak. I always kept the game close but never lost. I shot at about 1/4 race speed and just kept winning. Most of the duty officers could not smoothly draw a gun at all and one guy shot the table while raising the weapon up. Almost none of them shot at bulls and none moved the targets up or down. The whole 3 days i was there i saw only 1 guy even try off hand shooting. Off hand shooting was required in league and i shot at least 100-200 rounds off hand during leagues. All in all it was pretty pathetic.
The NRA’s controlled opposition.
Insufficient funds to pay teachers, insufficient funds to pay the cops of Camden, NJ or Detroit, but there are sufficient funds to put a Cop inside every school? What about all the Day Care Centers? How about all the After School Hockey Clubs and and Dance Studios?
Anyhow, all the Psychos these days wear Body Armor, so even if you have Cops and Armed Teachers, they all need to be wearing BA also.
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Someone once said we would ask for a police state. And….. the nra just did. Cannot make this shit up.
Weren’t there armed police present at Columbine? As I recall there were, and it did absolutely no good. Correct me if I’m wrong…
Jimski – your post substantiates my belief that most folks would be better off with a small bore shotgun for home protection than a handgun. Most folk cannot hit shit with a handgun – me included. And I grew up with guns. However, I can point a shotgun suitably well – by that I mean in the general direction of my target. Close wins that game.
It’s patently obvious the only viable options for reducing violent crime are 1) provide armed security in all venues, and 2) allow law abiding citizens to freely and openly carry firearms
Since the first option entails public expense, the second option is the best. At least it would get the attention of violent offenders.
Nonanonymous you are spot on open carry is the only viable option.
Non, How do you determine what “law abiding citizens” are ? Many mentally unstable people haven’t broken any laws, are you suggesting it is OK for them to be armed?
I have no problem with people with sound minds carrying guns but how do you determine who isn’t going to mentally crack up one day?
Ask for volunteers from the staff to carry a concealed weapon. That way the shithead has no idea who has a gun. There own personal weapon and there ammo. If we get no volunteers than I guess we just play moving target hoping the cops get there soon. But no way in hell do I want the cops or any government agency doing the job of security.
Armed guards at schools? Who guards our foreign embassies and risks their lives everyday doing so? I’d want my nieces and nephews protected by USMC active duty volunteers or maybe local community police only. No others would be willing to sacrifice themselves for the kids.
Prisons … aren’t there armed guards there …. aren’t the prisoners unarmed and behind bars …. yet, aren’t murders and other crimes still rampant??
Armed police in schools … an idea only idiots would even consider. Arm the teachers.