Is It Still Possible to Get Out of Dodge?

People have been asking me about a get out of Dodge plan. The fact is, the US government is making it increasingly difficult to get out of Dodge, and those that have not already done so may well have left it too late. The government does not want its citizens living overseas, nor do they want its citizens having assets overseas. Currently there are some 6 million Americans living overseas, and they have assets and incomes that are difficult for the US government to control and tax, and the US government does not like that.

The US is the only country in the world (except for Eritrea) that has citizenship based taxation. No matter where you live, and no matter where you draw your income, the US taxes it. Every other country has residence based taxation – you are taxed only if you reside in the country or earn income in the country. For instance, if you are a Canadian working in the US, you will have no Canadian tax obligations, unless you have income from Canada. If you are an American working in Canada, you are liable for US tax on your Canadian income. If you are an “accidental American” – and there are potentially millions of these around the world – born to an American citizen overseas, or born to a foreign citizen who was travelling through the US at the time of the birth – you are a US citizen, and may not know it. The US does not care – and will happily seek you out and punish you for failing to file and pay US taxes. No leeway is given.

The US has a whole range of laws that penalize US residents that live outside the US. One law is the FBAR law – that law requires that foreign financial assets be reported each year, and requires that all accounts where the citizen is a signatory be reported. Financial assets include bank accounts, mutual funds, CDs, gold, etc. Failure to report these accounts can, and does, result in draconian fines, from $10,000 for non-will failure, to 50% of the balance of all accounts, for failure to report even one account. Per year. Simple errors can, and do, result in the penalties being applied. The signatory provision effects persons who work for an overseas company and can sign business checks. They must report the balances of the account, even though it is not their account. And even though there may be privacy law issues – the US does not recognize the privacy laws of other nations, and can and will prosecute those individuals for failing to breach the laws of the nation in which they live. Note that citizens that live in the US have no such requirements.

Another law is FATCA. FATCA has two basic features. First, FATCA requires foreign banks to tell the US what US citizens have accounts with them. Any banks failing to provide such information will have 30% of any transaction with the US withheld as a fine for failing to tell the US what it wants to know. Banks are required to search their records and identify all US account holders, initially beginning with account holders having substantial deposits, but within a few years identifying all US account holders to the IRS. Any US account holder that does not agree to give the foreign bank his/her SS number to the IRS, along with balances and interest earned, will have their accounts closed. Many banks are simply closing the accounts of all US citizens, in order to avoid the reporting regime in its entirety. This is happening today in the UK and Switzerland especially. Americans are finding it difficult to open accounts overseas, as banks are refusing to deal with them.
The second feature of FATCA is it requires overseas Americans to report all of their assets each year. That means they must report the value of their homes, their bank accounts, their shares, their everything. Failure to so report, or to be accurate, can/will result in fines of 40% of the value of the assets. This is not, as yet, required by Americans not living overseas.

The IRS intends to make it mandatory that all of this reporting is done electronically. The IRS will then be able to instantly match an overseas person’s SS number against his/her bank account, his/her assets, etc. Any discrepancies or anomalies will be pursued.

Additionally, overseas residents are also subject to a range of other reports not required in the US – they must report any transactions with foreign trusts, they must report full financial reports on corporations where they have significant holdings, etc. Not all overseas Americans will have to do these reports, but failure to provide these reports can result in fines of 35% of the value of the asset/business for each year the report is not lodged. These reports have nothing to do with tax owed, but only have to do with failure to tell the IRS every detail about every financial asset the person owns or has influence over overseas.

To restate, an American citizen that lives overseas must report all of his or her assets, financial accounts, gold holdings, records of their business, any transactions with foreign trusts, all income received overseas, etc. Every single thing must be reported each year, or the fines approach 50% of the asset value each year. EACH YEAR. In two years, the fines can reach or exceed the person’s entire net assets.

I have been told by people who know that it is impossible for a US citizen living overseas to meet these reporting requirements in full, or to even be able to keep abreast and aware of all the reporting requirements, and that overseas residents will breach the law inevitably, and open themselves up to loss of great slabs of their wealth as a result, and potentially to criminal charges. The laws are too complex, and too pervasive to be followed, and are incredibly penal for even the most benign mistake.

Which brings me back to the get out of dodge question. An American citizen living overseas will find it very, very difficult to comply with the laws. Even if they are able to comply, the costs will be prohibitive in most cases – they will have two sets of taxes to complete and file each year – one for their country of residence, and one very complex one for the US. They will find it increasingly difficult, if not impossible to get a bank account overseas, which will effectively mean they cannot live overseas. Even if they can get a bank account, they will have to agree to be 100% monitored by the IRS. They will invariably breach a complex US reporting law, and their assets will be under threat. Most countries are falling into line, and will assist the IRS in seizing overseas assets, so hiding out and hoping the US cannot seize is not an option.

So what is an option? To me, there is really only one viable option if one wishes to remain inside the bounds of the law – the American must secure overseas citizenship (which in and of itself is not easy to do) – and renounce US citizenship, if he or she really wants to get out of dodge. The process is not easy, and the US is making it more difficult all the time. Many, many Americans are renouncing citizenship, as is their right. However, the US is making it difficult: there are long waiting lists (out over a year in many cases) to meet with a Department of State official to renounce citizenship, and it is the only way it can be done; there are exit tax regimes that affect anyone with capital gains that have not been chrystallized; there are potentially restrictions about re-entering the US after renunciation; etc etc etc.

To sum up then, the reality is that the US does not wish its citizens to leave, and is making it extremely difficult for its citizens to leave. It is also doing everything possible to penalize its 6 million citizens that have left, and to drain them of any assets that they have accumulated overseas via a vast myriad of laws that simply cannot be fully complied with, and subsequent draconian taxes for failure to comply, wilfully or otherwise. They are making it extremely difficult for citizens to set up bank accounts overseas, so as to limit or eliminate the ability of its citizens to move assets overseas. Anyone considering “getting out of Dodge” needs to fully educate themselves on the laws and realities of the situation, and make plans well in advance of the time they hope to get out of Dodge. And they also must begin to face the reality that it may no longer be possible to exit the US. The US does not want its citizens to leave, wants those overseas to return (with their assets of course), and is bringing to bear its full political power in order to prevent it.

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efarmer
efarmer
January 7, 2013 8:08 am

I’m going to have to make a stand. Entirely too much family here to take care of.

But if I were to go, it would be NZ. Been there, have friends there and if you could do it, New Zealand would be a great place to go. What a paradise.

EF

Oscar Mannheim
Oscar Mannheim
January 7, 2013 8:23 am

Yes, efarmer, I imagine quite a few are in your position, and you have to do what you have to do. It’s a tough row to hoe and I don’t envy you it, but respect that kind of solidarity. My family is outta there. I’m just glad to be crossing the threshold (66) of old age. Like my favorite Southern agrarians: “I’ll take my stand” here where I’ve sunk my roots. It’s good that others do the same, wherever they may be. Do not go gentle…

ragman
ragman
January 7, 2013 9:13 am

Ll: thanks for your research and diligence. I am not in a position to leave the US and start a new life overseas. At least we have a little place in the Appalachians, out of a large city. Best of luck and happy NY to all!

ThePessimisticChemist
ThePessimisticChemist
January 7, 2013 11:42 am

I’d like to emigrate. My wife loves her family dearly, and I won’t be able to afford to move them as well.

Guess I’m screwed.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 7, 2013 12:43 pm

The hardest thing is to leave family as we did it. We visit them. They, so far, have not visited us. If they ever do, they will not want to go back. Already had friends visit us and they want to move over. We are not sure exactly why things lined up for us to be here but, looking back, am amazing series of events opened this door to us, some of which were things that occurred over a number of years. Frankly, we don’t believe in coincidence. Living here has opened our eyes. Adjusting has not been all easy but man, getting through the home sick period was worth it. When we first got here it was like being in the twilight zone – everything seemed “the same but different”. A bit out of phase. But that feeling is long past. Kiwis are some of the most hospitable people on Earth. And Kiwis are usually immigrants or just a little removed from immigration on one or both sides of their family (at least that has been our experience).

The food quality here is fantastic. Eggs, meats, diary of all types tastes different from typical U.S. stuff. Most beef is grass feed. They even has venison farms. My wife did not eat beef for 30 years but does again in this country (she said the U.S. beef tasted dirty – I know the taste she means and that quality is absent in the beef raised here.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 7, 2013 12:50 pm

Hi Napari,

Should be able to come over with good construction experience. Definitely on a work permit (which you can get for up to 5 years) and a good chance on residency. Jobs for your wife should not be too hard to get, there are openings all the time. Best bet for quick work is Christchurch.

Go to the New Zealand immigration office web page and read all that stuff (http://www.immigration.govt.nz/). Should be several possibilities. NZ also has (should be able to find from that web site) a program where companies can hire from over seas without the normal criteria applying if the company is in the program and there are over 300 companies participating. I’d look at all of them for their open positions as well as starting a work or residency permit. Lots of hoops to go through but it can be done – we did it ourselves without any outside advisory. Just follow all the directions.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 7, 2013 12:54 pm

Sometimes I think we were supposed to do it to show others we know in the U.S. that yes, you too can do this is you are determined and let go of your programming and increasingly temporary comforts.

By the way, this is not to say that I am not aware that things would be a challenge for NZ as the S*** goes down in the U.S. On the other hand, Kiwis are very independent, In that regard, at least 40 years behind where the U.S. is although the same negative trends are happening here too.

You can still have a religion class in the public schools here (optional – the school decides and parents can opt out). They still have rifle shooting clubs in high school. Need I say more?

napari
napari
January 7, 2013 12:57 pm

Didius Julianus….appreciate your input and will take some time to chase down details.
happy New Year and be well 🙂
napari

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus
January 7, 2013 1:17 pm

Hi Napari,

Thanks and same to you and God bless you as you and your family decide your path.

Cheers (as they say in NZ)

Anotherjuan
Anotherjuan
January 7, 2013 3:59 pm

LLPOH – this must be the article i requested. you were singing a different song then. i had written that the usa was making it hard to emigrate. thanks for finally enlightening everyone. i also said that it would be more pragmatic to give aliens their greencard and tax them, but americanos scream at that idea like a greencard is of any particular value. a greencard would only make them visible and traceable for tax purposes. about the only people who should fear adding 11 million greencarders to the rolls would be fsa people who fear potentially having to share ebt bennies. what indeed are you currently denying illegals, they may make less but i read here or somewhere else that after americanos pay their taxes, they actually make less than the illegals who have to accept lower pay because they do not have work permits.

llpoh
llpoh
January 7, 2013 6:13 pm

Anotherjuan – by and large, working illegals pay their taxes via payroll deductions. The non-working ones suck up huge amounts of govt free shit – ask SSS about that.

Making them legal will not increase the tax take – it may even reduce it, as they could then claim tax refunds. They would also begin to suck up SS bennies, Medicare, etc.

stalker
stalker
January 7, 2013 10:38 pm

LLPOH – looks like a case of damned if you legalize ’em, damned if you don’t. here we have been sitting smgly on our judgemental perch never realizing – they are free to leave without a trace while we can never really say goodbye to uncle sam; like diamonds and ex-wives, an ex-despot is forever.

nothing coming
nothing coming
February 27, 2013 4:09 am

America is doomed. Everyone is leaving and the US is not reporting real numbers. A million ex-pats a year minimum. Put your money in a FATCA free bank account. There are lots, none in europe that I know of. Get citizenship elsewhere immediately.

nothing coming
nothing coming
February 27, 2013 4:14 am

America sucks. California looks like a ghost town and for lease is everywhere. Don’t worry about American saber rattling. Everyone has left, and you don’t want to be in America by 2015 trust me. Than should be sufficient time to get out.

America has nothing coming. Even if the IRS tells you you owe them pay nothing. Liquidate your assets and get out now. The US can do nothing once this is done. In fact, take out a huge government loan and never pay it back. This will equal out all the taxes you have already paid, ha ha ha.

Just remember what America has done to you over the years. Do your level best to bring the beast down when you are abroad. You see and American company boycott the SOB. Eventually the lunatic bloated government run America will fall like the Roman Empire.

Good Riddance Tax Bastards.