“STRONG” RETAIL SALES???

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Posted on 13th May 2013 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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The markets are attempting to rally on the “unexpectedly positive” retail sales numbers for April. The bullshit is getting so deep in this country, you have to wear hip boots. Even though I’m a trusting soul and know the MSM and our Wall Street economist “experts” will tell me what I need to know, I decided to go directly to the report. Here is a link in case you want the actual data:

http://www.census.gov/retail/marts/www/marts_current.pdf

Here are my observations about the “strong” retail sales:

  • Through the beauty of seasonal adjustments the actual 2.7% decrease in retail sales in April versus March becomes a .09% increase, which is rounded up to .1% by the MSM. The government drones would never use seasonal adjustments to make numbers look better than they really are. Right?
  • Even with seasonal adjustments, retail sales only went up $377 million. The subprime financing scam being run by the Obama owned Ally Financial and the other government subsidized Wall Street shysters resulted in a $783 million increase in auto sales. Therefore, retail sales excluding this government use of your tax dollars actually declined by $406 billion.
  • The MSM is crowing about the lower gasoline sales which are benefitting the American consumer. If you look at the 4 month trend versus last year, you see that retail sales at gasoline stations is down 1.1% versus last year. Let me remind you that last year was the highest average price for gasoline in history, so a 1.1% decline is not exactly a windfall to the consumer. Do you see the MSM reporting the facts on this chart?

  • The first four months of retail sales in 2013 have sucked. Overall, they are up 3.3%. Subtracting the government boosted auto sales and the increase is 2.5%. Even using the government manipulated CPI yields basically flat retail sales with 2012. Using a real inflation rate of 5% reveals that real retail sales are declining by 2.5% in the first four months of 2013.
  • If there is a real housing recovery how could retail sales of furniture, electronics and building materials be languishing in the -0.7% to 3.6% range? How can general merchandise sales (Wal-Mart, Target) be 3.4% below last year?

The fact is that real retail sales are falling. The Obama tax increases and Obamacare insurance premium increases have sucked the life out of the consumer. Gas prices have risen 10 cents per gallon in the last two weeks. The busy driving season is coming. The Middle East is a powderkeg. Hurricane season isn’t far off. Companies are cutting the hours of their employees. The savings rate is already at 2.7%. Consumers are reducing credit card debt. There are 10,000 people per day turning 65. Sounds like a recipe for strong retail sale growth. Right?

Maybe a government drone economist could chime in and explain the extreme wide variation in seasonal adjustments over the last ten years. Shouldn’t seasonal adjustments for the same month be fairly consistent over time? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

228 Comments
  1. Administrator says:

    Retail Sales Post Modest Beat Despite Ongoing Plunge In Gasoline Sales

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/13/2013 08:45 -0400

    In keeping with the now constant trend of baffle with BS, since everyone was expecting a weaker advance retail sales print, just like with the BLS report, it was virtually assured that the data would prove everyone wrong. Sure enough, moments ago the Census department announced that headline retail sales rose by 0.1% in April, from a downward revised -0.5% in March, beating expectations of a second decline in a row of -0.3%. Retail sales ex autos were in line with expectations at -0.1%, on expectations of a -0.2% print, but it was the sales number ex-autos and gas which surprised the most, rising 0.6% on expectations of a +0.3% increase, up from a -0.1% decline. Of note: gasoline stations saw a dramatic 4.7% drop in sales, following a 3.2% drop in March: are all US commuters now using Back to the Future type hoverboards or just driving to work in the Tesla Model S?

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    13th May 2013 at 10:30 am

  2. card802 says:

    Retail sales fall because the middle class is tapped out.

    The good news is the trade deficit shrinks.

    Win-win?

    No?

    Ok.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:26 am

  3. AWD says:

    Great retail sales! Meanwhile, in the real world things are collapsing. Detroit is a great preview of coming attractions for the rest of the country. Democrats have taxed and run the productive people out of town, and kept the locals in free shit for decades. Debt doesn’t matter, neither do unfunded union pension obligations, right? Like the Federal government, solve a debt problem by issuing more debt. Somebody is going to get a haircut. Taxpayers no doubt.

    Detroit May Run Out Of Cash Next Month
    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 05/13/2013

    Another day, another US city on the brink of insolvency. This time it’s Detroit, whose recently appointed emergency financial manager Kevyn Orr said may run out of cash next month and must cut costs such as long-term debt and retiree obligations. According to Bloomberg, “Orr’s report says the cost of $9.4 billion in bond, pension and other long-term liabilities is sapping the ability to provide such basic services as public safety and transportation. He listed cutting debt principal, retiree benefits and jobs among options he may take. “No one should underestimate the severity of the financial crisis,” He called his report “a sobering wake-up call about the dire financial straits the city of Detroit faces.”

    Funny, the above bolded sentence, because we have long since crossed into a stage where absolutely everyone is underestimating the severity of the financial crisis, which incidentally is long over if one listens to the broader media. As for Detroit, may we suggest the same medicine that the “expert economists” prescribe for every other instance of overlevered insolvency: just issue more debt. Surely with worthless Greek bonds soaring, there must be some Japanese investment funds that can’t wait to buy up all that paper on nothing but promises of untold riches courtesy of the endless carry trade that apparently can do no wrong.

    Orr’s report is probably a prelude to the city’s seeking Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection, said Manny Grillo, the New York-based head of restructuring practices for Goodwin Procter LLP. He said there are too many creditors, including 48 employee unions, to reach a consensus without court intervention.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:27 pm

  4. card802 says:

    Two of my employees drove to Detroit Saturday, just for something to do. They said if there would have been tanks on the roads that would have made the scene complete.

    30 story burnt out buildings, gas stations burned, house’s burned, abandoned vehicles, hardly anyone on the streets.

    On the bright side, on the way out of the city there were lots of homes for sale, $4,000.00, cash. Sounds like a good deal to me.

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    13th May 2013 at 4:35 pm

  5. Kill Bill says:

    The MSM is crowing about the lower gasoline sales which are benefitting the American consumer. -admin

    I read where oil dropped to some 95 a barrel. Meanwhile the last time fuel prices climbed this high was when oil was around 140 a bbl.

    Gasoline sales are lower because many cant afford as much of it. That doesnt mean they are consuming more at the local grocery.

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    13th May 2013 at 6:49 pm

  6. Calamity says:

    I work as a waitress. I work for a chain. The Admin has flamed on TBP many times the company I work for. (I swear I am not being cryptic, I can get fired, my company has a no social internet policy). Anyway, Our business died this spring. I have worked as a waitress for years. This NEVER happens in the spring. Usually the refund tax (redneck/ghetto christmas) keeps me busy in the spring. But, this year nobody ate out. The last time I had low spring sales was right before the 2008 crash. Get ready, another wall street failure is coming.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:12 pm

  7. Llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 7:19 pm

  8. Calamity says:

    Llpoh- lol if the economy gets any worse, I could really make a profit at that. Apparently, I’m a hot stuff. Lucky for me, being a waitress isnt my only job. But it is my primary job.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:23 pm

  9. Llpoh says:

    Not me,Calamity. Dirty doppler.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:24 pm

  10. Calamity says:

    Llhop- I know who is your doppler. No worries.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:25 pm

  11. Stucky says:

    Methinks Calamity works for Applebees.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:28 pm

  12. Stucky says:

    Calamity

    There is nothing sexier than a hooker blowjob, followed by economic / political discussion.

    The best of both worlds. You could make millions. I call 2nds right after the real llpoh.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:32 pm

  13. Administrator says:

    Stuck

    Remember your infatuation with Zara?

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    13th May 2013 at 7:42 pm

  14. Calamity says:

    Stucky- hell no, think of another company admin has flamed many, many times. lol

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    13th May 2013 at 8:02 pm

  15. SSS says:

    Calamity said, “I work as a waitress. I work for a chain. The Admin has flamed on TBP many times the company I work for. …… Anyway, Our business died this spring. I have worked as a waitress for years. This NEVER happens in the spring. …… But, this year nobody ate out. The last time I had low spring sales was right before the 2008 crash. Get ready, another wall street failure is coming.”

    You’re too damn smart to work as a waitress, but I appreciate your anecdotal input. Valuable insight from the ground floor.

    And dismiss the (c)rude comments on selling your body for sex. And I mean just plain rude.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:07 pm

  16. Calamity says:

    SSS- Thanks, I appreciate that.

    I work as a waitress and a bartender, because I make over 15 dollars an hours. Since I am only legally obligated to claim 8% of my sales in taxes, that means half the money I make isn’t taxed. They can’t prove I make more then that, since I deal in cash and the law favors me unintentionally. Plus it gives me plenty of time to freelance in graphic design and tattoos. Also, I get to have time to write for TBP.

    Trust me, those were jokes. I know who doppled Llhop for shits and giggles.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:16 pm

  17. ob juan not chen says:

    Tattoo artist and Red Lobster/Olive Garden hash slinger? Yummy

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    13th May 2013 at 8:23 pm

  18. Calamity says:

    Lol, Juan. TBP learns more about me everyday. So much for anonymous.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:25 pm

  19. ob chen not juan says:

    Calamity preparing young people for their career in the workplace

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    You won’t let Stucky have sloppy seconds? Damn shame.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:25 pm

  20. the real ob juan says:

    So, which is it? Red Lobster or Olive Garden?

    Which way to the employment office?

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    13th May 2013 at 8:30 pm

  21. Calamity says:

    Juan- I cannot confirm or deny either.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:33 pm

  22. Administrator says:

    Calamity

    Feel free to let the TBPers know about your website.

    You could even post a portion of an article on TBP with a link to your website to finish it.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:35 pm

  23. Calamity says:

    Admin,

    Though it would increase my own traffic, all my stories except two have ended up on TBP. I don’t know how to do that honestly. I have so far posted fairly short stories on purpose. I don’t like to write long articles that would be required for that, I am open to have other traffic coming in though. I did however, most TBPers would be happy to know, had someone who started a blog called “Modern Scarlet Letter” after my last post. That was pretty cool.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:42 pm

  24. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 8:49 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 8:56 pm

  28. Calamity says:

    The FEDERAL law is that waitress must report 8% of their sales in tips. I report 10%. I have work with a server who got audited. This person only claimed up to minimum wage, big difference. As long as a server reports 8% at minimum they can’t be audited. You would know these practices if you had worked in my field before. No server EVER claims 100% of their tips. Your statement is just ignorant.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:56 pm

  29. Calamity says:

    Besides, you think I am going to be sad about old farts welfare programs going belly up. Get real. I’m not paying a penny more into that program then I have to. What is fraud is making my generation pay for that shit to begin with. That program isn’t going to be there for me. I don’t give a damn about government retirement social programs. I doubt many of my generation does care about SS. We have been told all our lives that it won’t be there for us. Older people got theirs and tough shit kids. Like I feel any sympathy. I can’t wait until those programs go belly up and I get to keep 100% of the money I earned.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:01 pm

  30. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 9:03 pm

  31. llpoh says:

    You also say “As long as a server reports 8% at minimum they can’t be audited.” That is also a fucking lie. Anyone can be audited. *% is the presumed minimum and does not eliminate the possibility of audit. Hope you have not been depositing that money, or have spent money that can be tracked. Of course you can be audited. Wouldn’t that be a shame.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:05 pm

  32. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 9:07 pm

  33. Calamity says:

    So what if I cheat. I’m not paying for any social free shit army. This includes boomers and those alive that came before them. A server can be audited. What they do is follow you from table to table for 3 weeks straight. They stay for your whole shift and right down every tip. If that EVER, EVER happens. I know how to piss people of slightly enough for a low tip on purpose. SO does every server who has ever worked. Its not worth the IRS effort to audit servers. It costs them money. Mostly they come after private business fraud. SO watch yourself.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:10 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 9:14 pm

  35. Calamity says:

    Hope you have not been depositing that money, or have spent money that can be tracked.

    What part of CASH BASED job did you not understand. I have no bank account at all. ON PURPOSE. You can’t trace cash. Especially if ya don’t spend it.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:17 pm

  36. Administrator says:

    llpoh giving tax advice to his secretary

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    13th May 2013 at 9:17 pm

  37. Administrator says:

    Calamity

    Tell llpoh you wear a thumb ring. That will make him foam at the mouth.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:20 pm

  38. llpoh says:

    “An audit can reveal unreported cash tips even without direct evidence of under-reporting. For example, the IRS can compare a waitress’s lifestyle to her income. A low income but high amount of spending suggests unreported income. For example, a waitress that claims a gross income of $20,000 but buys a $25,000 luxury car probably has at least $5,000 in unaccounted income.”

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    13th May 2013 at 9:21 pm

  39. Calamity says:

    Llhop- I am really proud of it, you have no idea. I am just so clever. I’m glad my college education taught me something. I know math!!! You are missing my BIGGEST point. I am NOT pay for the BOOMERS RETIREMENT. I will sell drugs on the street before I foot the bill on that shit. Some people on TBP, especially you, aren’t getting this. I will commit as much fucking fraud as possible to not pay for those programs. I don’t need permission either. Be very afraid. MOST of my generation is not going to pay for it. You don’t make laws about the youth. Spend their money. Make them obligated without consulting them in the first place. I didn’t promise anything to the older generations. I didn’t promise shit to deadbeat welfare people. I didn’t support Obama care. I am not paying a dime for it. I would rather sit in jail.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:21 pm

  40. Calamity says:

    Llhop-Wear a thumb ring and foam at the mouth.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:23 pm

  41. Administrator says:

    llpoh has uncovered the true culprits in this corrupt society

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    13th May 2013 at 9:24 pm

  42. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 9:25 pm

  43. Calamity says:

    An audit can reveal unreported cash tips even without direct evidence of under-reporting. For example, the IRS can compare a waitress’s lifestyle to her income.

    I drive a 14 year old care that was given to me. I don’t spend money. I keep everything I earn. I make sure to claim enough to report for my bills. Ya know, an even ratio. I buy everything in cash and only have paper receipts. You can only track that shit for fraud with bank accounts and credit reports. SO sorry, ya I know math.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:25 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 9:28 pm

  45. llpoh says:

    Admin – you did see that waitresses fail to report more income than any other group? The tax loss would be huge. Why, Cuntlamity would be underpay thousands just herself.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:30 pm

  46. Calamity says:

    Llhop-
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    13th May 2013 at 9:31 pm

  47. Calamity says:

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    13th May 2013 at 9:32 pm

  48. Administrator says:

    llpoh

    There are no waitresses in this country that report all of their tips. None. They get paid $2.80 per hour and have to put up with asshole customers who treat them like dirt and stiff them on checks.

    Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.

    llpoh is the only person in America that has never exaggerated a deduction or not reported some cash income. You are an inspiration to all taxpayers.

    Big dog foaming over waitresses cheating Obama out of $32.76 in taxes.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:34 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 9:37 pm

  50. Administrator says:

    Calamity

    llpoh has no problem with GE because they have really good tax lawyers. If you just have your tax lawyers create a foreign subsidiary and run your tips through it, llpoh will pat you on the back for creative use of tax laws.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:41 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 9:42 pm

  52. Administrator says:

    Calamity

    You should have seen llpoh foaming at the mouth when I would kick his ass on the OWS threads.

    He is probably in a bad mood because one of his employees called in sick today after having their foot amputated yesterday. He hates being taken advantage of by slackers.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:44 pm

  53. Calamity says:

    admin,

    He called me naive earlier. Quite frankly, I dont know anybody who is honest on their taxes but him. I did almost choke on the cookie I was eating when I read the last comments. lol. If only it was a cookie purchased on food stamps. That would really send him over the edge.

    Llhop- I am a tax cheat and proud of it. I got out of my way to bring down the system. I’m a renegade!!

    Cue-Rage against the Machine music!

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    13th May 2013 at 9:45 pm

  54. llpoh says:

    And Admin comes out with GE again. What a surprise. The reason corps run money through subsidiaries is that 1) it is LEGAL , and 2) because the corp taxes in the US are the world’s highest. And Admin forgets that I am all for eliminating paid lobbyists so that GE and others cannot influence the lawmaking that allow the transfer pricing as it exists.

    Mostly, tho, corps do not run their tips through their subsidiaries – the profits are made by the subsidiaries and the profits reamin overseas. Transfer pricing is abused, but the main source of income for the subsidiaries is overseas activity.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:47 pm

  55. Calamity says:

    Llhop- Over 600 rich people have renounced their U.S. citizenship because the tax laws are unjust. The co-founder of facebook jumped ship right before the facebook IPO with his billions.

    Admin-If I worked for him I would call in with a hangover everyday. Maybe OWS can start something against so I can be apart of the throw down

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    13th May 2013 at 9:50 pm

  57. Calamity says:

    Llhop- OWS is still a movement. They just figured out being hippies is bullshit. They were the ones who used their excess fund to help people after Hurricane Sandy. They were the ones even feeding FEMA workers when their supplies ran low. They also started a program to buy consumer debt pennies on the dollar and forgive it. Last I heard they bought millions worth of debt to forgive.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:56 pm

  58. llpoh says:

    Cuntlamity – what you do not know is astonishing. The co-founder did indeed renounce and go to Singapore. Rich folks pay an exit tax, that in Eduardo Saverin’s case amounted to several hundred millions of dollars. In the short-term, it cost him a lot of money to renounce – far more than what he might have paid had he stayed a US citizen.

    The reason many rich peple might reounce is more likely to be a result of tax reporting requirements than the actual tax itself. Dual citizens living abroad have to report US tax returns, and the reporting is extremely difficult to get right, and the potential penalties far outweigh any taxes concerned. For instance, failing to report a few dollars interest income through an honest mistake (honest – you should look that up) can potential cost hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars in penalties. There is also a thing called an FBAR – where you have to report all your financial bank accounts, and if you get that wrong, it can cost you half your money. Many tax attornies believe it is impossible for someone with substantial assets who lives abroad to comply with US tax law and reporting, which leads these folks to renounce. It is not over the tax, but over potential penalties for making a mistake on a report.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:58 pm

  59. Administrator says:

    llpoh gives his standard 10% tip even when waitresses don’t provide perfect service.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:58 pm

  60. Dave Doe says:

    LLPOH decides to solve our problems by attacking tax cheating waitesses.

    I will guarantee you that all the waitresses in the country don’t cheat as much as the top few F50 firms. Walmart encourages employee to go on welfare for god’s sake. Where’s your outrage there.

    Come on LLPOH, get a sense of proportion. Go after the big boys who are really screwing this country.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:59 pm

  61. Calamity says:

    I would renounce and pay a heavy one time fee. At least I would keep my future earnings.

    Oh Lollihop- I figured out something else to piss you off with. I also have never payed a dime on my student loans. Whoops.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:00 pm

  62. vincent vicente CHENte says:

    yesterday I couldn’t post pics, today I am posting them in absentia. please stop posting in my name, I have a couple of asshole mindfuckers pissed off at me already. they know who they are.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:01 pm

  63. Calamity says:

    Omg, I think that student loan comment sent him crying out of TBP

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    13th May 2013 at 10:11 pm

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    13th May 2013 at 10:20 pm

  65. llpoh says:

    Dave Doe – who do you think screwed Greece? Italy?

    Do you think it was the big boys?

    Not me – I know who it was. It was a culture of corruption. It was the entirety of the people. If your people are corrupt – ala Cuntlamity – then you nation is doomed.

    But I guess that wanting corps to be honest citizens while giving tax frauds a free ride because they are little people makes sense to you. We are doomed not because of the corps, or the politicians. We are doomed because of the prevalence of Cuntlamities. We are doomed because the people have no ethics or moral compass. You really think that Cuntlamities will help resolve the problem? They are the fucking problm. Without honest citizens, the nation cannot stand.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:25 pm

  66. Calamity says:

    You expecting my generation to lie down and have their money stolen is corruption. Giving my money that was promised before I was born is corruption. Making student loans not able to be discharged in bankruptcy like every other debt is corruption.

    ?upcoming

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  67. Calamity says:

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    13th May 2013 at 10:33 pm

  68. Anonymous says:

    “llpoh says:

    Admin – I won that battle. I was right about OWS”

    But you sure as hell are losing this one.

    :-)

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    13th May 2013 at 10:38 pm

  69. Kill Bill says:

    yesterday I couldn’t post pics, today I am posting them in absentia. please stop posting in my name, I have a couple of asshole mindfuckers pissed off at me already. they know who they are -Chinny

    No, you only think that, You want to know why I,for one, can do what I can.

    Because you are not thinking.

    *slaps grasshopper on his noggin*

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    13th May 2013 at 10:40 pm

  70. llpoh says:

    I guess Cuntlamity does not understand contracts. She signed one, she received the benefits, she knew what she was doing and the repurcussions from failing to meet the terms of the contract, and now she 1) does not want to pay, 2) hides her income from the govt, and 3) cries because she cannot figure out a way to declare bankruptcy so as to further defraud the government.

    What a loser. Glad to know the future of the country is in hands such as hers.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:41 pm

  71. Kill Bill says:

    I take nothing from you Calamity.

    Never have, never will.

    Be the bigger person.,

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    13th May 2013 at 10:42 pm

  72. llpoh says:

    Anonymous – how brave you are.

    Not hardly. Just because there are folks that are unethical and immoral who love the idea of cheating on their taxes means nothing. It just means we are fucking doomed. Where are the honest men and women? Has integrity lost all meaning and value? Not to me. Disappointing that it means so little to so many.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:45 pm

  73. llpoh says:

    KB – she is just trying to justify her complete lack of integrity.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:46 pm

  74. Kill Bill says:

    And here I was told that the XYM’s had a positive outlook.

    Yet all they do, like Obama, is blame those before them

    Yeh, it is easy to do until you actually have to go out in life and do actual work.

    You XYMs are just wimps. WahhWaah Wah.

    Take off your soiled diapers and, FFS, GET A JOB, Like I did.

    I am not the reason you dumbasses got in debt, YOU are.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:51 pm

  75. Calamity says:

    My student loans are going to court soon. They were sold off company to company like the MERS in the housing market. I am taking them to court because nobody can find them or tell me what company I owe. Completely different what you are painting them out to be. BTW, there is major fraud there, student loans are sold off the same way morgages were with no proof to back up the ownership. No matter how much the banks cheat the law, they still have to prove the own a loan collect on it. Also, the derivatives markets are only staying afloat because student loans can’t be declared in bankruptcy. The derivative market became so large due to the be piggybacked onto student loans.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:52 pm

  76. Kill Bill says:

    KB – she is just trying to justify her complete lack of integrity. -Llpoh

    I understand the anger at the current job market, I worked at FUCKING BURGER KING, Good God,

    And here this people want to blame me for the current enviro??

    Take off your soiled socks, you are not special, get your ass to work, do something, dig a ditch.

    You little fucking IPad pansies. Life is not texting to your unemployed friends.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:57 pm

  77. Kill Bill says:

    My student loans are going to court soon. They were sold off company to company like the MERS in the housing market. I am taking them to court because nobody can find them or tell me what company I owe. Completely different what you are painting them out to be -C

    I had nothing to do with MERS, I objected to the whole thing.. Still do. YOU as an adult agreed to these terms. That is not my fault, If you had come to this site earlier I would have said “Dont do it”

    The question is would you have taken this boomers advice?

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    13th May 2013 at 11:01 pm

  78. Calamity says:

    Kill Bill- They were sold off the same way. You aren’t getting it. They can’t find my loans. They don’t know who owns them. A major problem.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:23 pm

  79. Stucky says:

    llpoh believes one should pay all their taxes.

    Stucky’s response:

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  80. Kill Bill says:

    Kill Bill- They were sold off the same way. You aren’t getting it. They can’t find my loans. They don’t know who owns them. A major problem. -C

    I understand, Mary Malone is a good person, We need more like her,

    But the fact remains you tool out a loan, You want to pay it off. But you cannot find out who owns your debt.

    True, it has come to that. I agree it is wrong to resell debt. But that is what it has come to in complex financial dealings. I wish you well. Mary is very smart and will help you,

    But please dont blame your elders, ,many of us also work to undo the ever changing products being sold. Already you can pass down what you now know.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:53 pm

  81. Stucky says:

    llpoh

    You shit on Calamity for not paying taxes ………. but don’t say a word about what those taxes are used for …. about 33% for the military to drop drone bombs on kids, another 33% just for the Free Shit Army. Fuck the government and their legalized theft. And, shame on you.

    Losing respect for you ……..

    Admin … are all those posts really llpoh, or a doppler?

    GO CALAMITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    13th May 2013 at 11:53 pm

  82. Stucky says:

    Calamity is too modest.

    This is her website ———- http://timeofcalamity.wordpress.com/

    Visit it often.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:00 am

  83. Kill Bill says:

    Stuck, Llpohs doesnt have a gravatar.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:01 am

  84. Kill Bill says:

    Kill Bill- They were sold off the same way. You aren’t getting it. They can’t find my loans. They don’t know who owns them. A major problem. -C

    I understand It quite well. As with mortfgages theyt were bundled ]SIV] and resold. That is why the real owner of your debt isnt known,

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    13th May 2013 at 12:05 am

  85. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 12:13 am

  86. llpoh says:

    And we are not realy talking about the govt – we are talking about the laws of the country. Two entirely separate things.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:18 am

  87. Calamity says:

    Kill Bill- I am just taking it to court to get a ruling. I am not going to just automatically pay it and find out 10-20 years from now that I actually owed a different bank.

    Lollihop- Sorry, you have not convinced me in the slightest. I’m not being apart of the Federal Reserve-IRS-Government debt scam. No thank you.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:30 am

  88. Calamity says:

    Stucky- No doppler, he was on a roll tonight.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:32 am

  89. llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 12:35 am

  90. Gayle says:

    You guys might enjoy reading this week’s Time magazine: cover story is “The ME ME ME Generation.
    Millenials are lazy, entitled narcissists who still live with their parents. Why they’ll save us all.”

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    13th May 2013 at 12:36 am

  91. llpoh says:

    Gayle – do not forget honest, principled etc. The place is doomed.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:39 am

  92. Calamity says:

    Why they’ll save us all

    Don’t count on it.

    “Next time you send someone to save the world, make sure they like it, the way it is”

    I can say the same ME, ME, ME generation stereotype about the Boomers.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:42 am

  93. Gayle says:

    Calamity the article is generally sympathetic to the Millenials.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:44 am

  94. Calamity says:

    “I am a criminal because I am not wanting to support the elderly” bullshit. You are simply serving your own self-interest at the expense of the laws of the nation where you live. It is despicable.

    I am not defending it at all. I will find more ways to make money and leave the government out of it. I am not paying anything for social welfare programs. Like I said, I will go to jail then to willingly hand over my money.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:45 am

  95. Calamity says:

    Gayle, read the comments. There is some storyline evolution going on in the nearly 100 comments.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:46 am

  96. Calamity says:

    Whoops, sorry Gayle I read your comment wrong. I thought you were talking about this article.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:47 am

  97. Kill Bill says:

    Kill Bill- I am just taking it to court to get a ruling. I am not going to just automatically pay it and find out 10-20 years from now that I actually owed a different bank. -C

    I agree, I get it. This boomer says go girl!

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    13th May 2013 at 12:49 am

  98. Gayle says:

    I read all the comments. That’s why I thought you might enjoy the Joel Stein piece in Time.

    I get it that you’re angry at the system and the generations that came before you. You have come of age when corruption abounds in nearly every facet of our culture. You are pragmatic and have chosen your way to survive the harsh economic landscape. One problem with immoral leaders is that they implicitly give regular folks permission to break the rules too.

    Others have different ways of coping with the insanity around them. I try to live honorably myself so as not to be contaminated by “them” and so become like them. I see it as a battle for my own integrity, and that’s what keeps me honest on my tax returns. But you have a different priority, to refuse to give the Evil Machine any more than you have to.

    So let’s all go to bed now and have sweet dreams.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:04 am

  99. Methodical Man says:

    It’s almost comical talking about honesty, integrity, and principles with respect to the federal government when it itself hasn’t had any for at least 60 years. (OK, I’ll give Carter a maybe, in gruging hindsight.) I used to think all high and mighty like some here… but guess what? It’s a cold war now, and the principles that really matter are already in direct conflict.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:20 am

  100. llpoh says:

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  101. SAH says:

    @Llpoh – whatever bean counter. Basically, have you ever worked in the restaurant/bar industry? You are required to “tip out” at most places… Meaning, some assholebean counter like you comes in and leaves Calamity exactly 15% tip. Calamity probably is required to kick down money to the buss boy, the bar tender and the hostess at the end of the shift. The amount the waiter tips out depends… If the busser fills your waters and busts ass he gets more. Hostess seats high tipping regulars in your section, she gets a bigger kickback. Had a lot of tables that ordered mixed drinks? Bartender gets a little extra. When it’s said and done, it is extremely difficult to account for your exact tip amounts, but if you average 15% of your sales, tip out 1/3 to everyone else… really walking away with 8-10% of your sales in tips is standard and using your gross sales to estimate tips is not a way to cheat taxes. You have some tips from credit cards that go on your paycheck every 2 weeks, your cash tips are being split every which way with the front-of-the-house and you take them home daily… Every restaurant basically teaches the servers to declare their cash tips at a set % of their gross sales. This is how you are taught to do it. What Calamity is doing is so ordinary as to not raise an eyebrow to anyone with experience in the restaurant service industry. For servers to do line-item accounting of their tips is pointless and would require more accounting skills than the average server possesses. If they were that great and dedicated at accounting then they wouldn’t be waitresses – duh. Finally, I am not agreeing with Calamity’s reasonings on *why* she personally does this, only affirming that this is common standard practice in her industry. Truly the problem is with a tax system that is so complex that makes it overly complicated and difficult to even understand, calculate or pay your taxes to begin with.

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  102. SAH says:

    @Llpoh: Oh – and I forgot to mention something else. My experience in restaurants was during the 1990s. When I started out everything was paper order tickets etc, and over the decade that I slung food the entire industry switched over to computerized Ordering/POS where each waiter swipes a card or punches in their code then types in their orders. Restaurants are completely tracked as to who sells what. Each servers gross sales as well as credit card tips are accounted for fully. A lot of the purpose of this was so the IRS could get their greedy mitts on tip money. Because each server’s exact gross sales are accounted for, the IRS now has a way to estimate how much tip $ they expect. The % of gross sales method of estimating your tip taxes is how it is done, before computerized tracking of sales there was much more money to be made under the table in the industry. Now there is none. Calamity may have her views on paying taxes, but from reading this thread it seems she does pay them and at the standard rate and method by which other waiters all do… So she isn’t a tax cheat as far as her large chain restaurant work goes.

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  103. AKAnon says:

    Hmmm. I find Calamity’s story a bit disappointing. Re paying Federal income taxes, I have mixed feelings. I pay all the tax I’m am legally required to (and hopefully no more), but not out of a sense of moral duty. The Fed gov’t is such a corrupt, wasteful entity, and often acts entirely contrary to my basic wishes, it really pains me to contribute. When Ann Barnhardt calls to starve the beast, I am sympathetic. Maybe I am just too cowardly to follow suit.

    On the other hand, Calamity’s posts on this thread have waffled and fluctuated. If she had said she pays the least tax she thinks she can get away with, as a protest against Fed policy, from the get go, I’d probably say “you go, girl”. But the storyline seems a little cheesy. The prevaricating bothers me more than the result.

    Re student loans-that is an obligation Calamity willingly accepted. Unless someone held a gun to her head while signing the paperwork, she made a promise to repay the loans. That is not negotiable, IMO. If you are really just trying to confirm whom to write the check, I am with you, Calamity. If your court case is a dodge to try to get a free lunch, that I cannot support.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:26 am

  104. Bruce says:

    Taxs?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all this honesty.

    I honestly despise the Federal Government, The State Government and the Local Government.

    I honestly detest law enforcement, the courts and the endless convoluted law. The law is fine for other people but I don’t want it for me.

    I honestly don’t care about the old fuckers, the FSA Fuckers, the working drone Fuckers.

    I honestly don’t give a shit if the morons who wave the flag and worked hard all their lives see their pensions go belly up and the middle class dipshits devolve into poverty.

    I honestly don’t give a rats ass that sooner or later the wealthy or those who appear wealthy will be tared feathered and murdered by the starving masses.

    I honestly don’t give a shit if the institutionally dependent system scamers, sick, weak and retarded starve to death.

    I can honestly say fuck taxes, fuck the self righteously honest who jack off filling out forms while having their money taken from them by thieves and murders. Tax is for people who have not found those who play the tax codes like a master. Their is a loop hole or an exception to almost everything for almost everybody in the tax codes. The right accountant with the right structure and you need pay nothing, very little and on some happy occasions get paid. It’s disgusting, exploits the worker and the labor of true contributors but its designed that way and it’s legal. Just like fraud and extortion are legal for the State and Bankers but not for everyone else. Just like its legal to be a member and supporter of a crime syndicate such as the democrats or republicans but not the mafia that is much less dangerous and much more productive.

    Fuck the all the Sheeple, the Politicians and fuck every last banker on earth. Learn the system. Press the right buttons. Grease the right gear. It’s usually just a small gear and doesn’t really take that much grease. The greed of the takers and workers is so great and so shallow that often the smallest of things, meaningless gifts, half baked commitments, worthless promises or even insincere compliments can manipulate them.. The politicians and government employees will suck your dick, the Bankers will fuck themselves and their clients for you and let you use them to plunder the sheeple with impunity. I did and it works.

    From the age of 19 to 33 I was a reputable and upstanding businessman or what in the old days some people might have called a pirate. During those dark years I made my swag and probably earned my ticket into hell since I’m unrepentant. But I learned their are no honest men or only honest men up to a point and that those who wave their integrity, trustworthiness, proven success and/or their bibles in your face can be the worst of them. At first I admired the hard working, the successful, the principled, and those of stature. But during those years because of my associations with them I honestly came to despise the bankers, the politicians, the businessmen, their employees, my employees and sniveling weak minded public. I heard what they said, I saw what they do and as time went by discovered what they are. I took what I figured was enough and dropped the fuck right out. I don’t care, I don’t give a shit. I have the Honey badger attitude.

    Myself, my family and friends may be no better than the sniveling mass of society , but I love and care for them and that’s the big difference. The army of the clones and those who comply feed the army of the free shit takers , the politicians. the warriors and the bankers in a massive circular, grand cyclical mega clusterfuck of depravity, death, lies, fraud and greed masked with smiles and gayly painted horseshit. The rules, the tax and regulations are for clusterfuck people. We are anarchists of a sort when it comes to clusterfucking and In that anarchy we are tremendously advantaged. Or a least so far…………….but unfortunately the time will come when we are all triple dog doomed like everyone else.

    When you think about it the doom is not so bad because everyone deserves it. And I mean everyone. But you can do your best to hold out as long as you can to see all the other fuckers get their pay back and try to hold out long enough so there’s hardly any one left to see you get yours.

    Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow while it’s still entirely possible.

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  105. Llpoh says:

    AKA – she says she has never paid a cent on her student loans while at the same time committing tax fraud. And then claims she is challenging who owns the note. She lies at every turn.

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    13th May 2013 at 4:20 am

  106. Llpoh says:

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    13th May 2013 at 4:35 am

  107. Llpoh says:

    SAH – she clearly says she claims 10 per cent and hides ten percent. Your story about busboys, etc and assholes like me is bullshit. She clearly, unequivocally owned up to tax fraud.

    And yes, I worked in food service. Declared it all.

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    13th May 2013 at 4:38 am

  108. Administrator says:

    This might be the most epic beat down ever administered to a big dog by a newbie millennial in the history of TBP.

    I request that Stuck, the official vote counter of TBP, total the thumbs for Calamity and llpoh and declare the winner.

    Actual picture of big dog llpoh after this thread.

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  109. Administrator says:

    I wonder how many “sneezer” sandwiches llpoh has received in his life without knowing it.

    The old geezer about to yell at waitress for interrupting his breakfast.

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    13th May 2013 at 6:27 am

  110. flash says:

    @ Bruce +10 for an epic rant and 100% spot on.

    Truth in comedy..

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    13th May 2013 at 7:03 am

  111. Administrator says:

    llpoh weeps for a nation of waitresses that no longer pay their fair share of taxes, while supporting the right of GE, Verizon and the Wall Street banks to pay no taxes while generating hundreds of billions in profits utilizing slave labor in China, India and Bangladesh.

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  113. efarmer says:

    Little late to the party here, but could not agree with Calamity more on the fucked up student loan system. Obviously run by the government because it is such a mess.

    Have two kids who had their loans (that they were paying by automatic deduction), sold or turned over to companies halfway across the country with no notice. All of a sudden there is a late fee for missing a payment for a bill that was never sent. How would you like to have a company you never heard of start threatening you for a loan you never took out with them? As I helped my kids it appeared we were dealing with Ukrainian thugs.

    It will come to the news as time passes, but good luck with it Calamity.

    EF

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    13th May 2013 at 8:21 am

  114. Administrator says:

    llpoh

    WTF do you expect?

    We’ve had 30 years of blatant theft by the fascist crony capitalists who have bought off the politicians, written the tax code for their benefit, written our trade policies that enriched them at the expense of American workers, waged undeclared wars to enrich the military industrial complex of mega-corporations, raped the taxpayers with toxic mortgage products, held the taxpayer hostage at gunpoint for $700 billion after they blew up the worldwide financial system, and have destroyed our standard of living through relentless inflation that benefits only bankers and politicians.

    And you are going to leave TBP after four years over waitresses under-reporting their tips?

    Your argument is based upon following the law. I prefer the view of Tacitus:

    “The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government.”

    I’m all for starving the beast. There is no rule of law in this country anymore. Only a fool would think there is an even playing field and the serfs should do what the lords of the manner tell us to do.

    Don’t leave TBP over this inconsequential issue. You should have ducked.

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  115. flash says:

    Llpoh says: WAH WAH WAH. Calamity is mean and makes me feel bad. I quit.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:09 am

  116. Calamity says:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904583204576544313228014344.html

    The above is a link about the internal selling of student loans between other banks. My loans were from Citigroup, apart of the 2.5 billion dollars in loans that were sold.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:46 am

  117. AWD says:

    Calamity

    Well done. I wish more people, all people, would quit paying taxes. It would be the best possible thing that could happen. The fucking IRS couldn’t jail everyone, and the government would collapse without firing a shot. The best of all possible outcomes. Anyone who supports our income tax system is an idiot, or profiting from it. We have to pay and pay and pay, the criminals in Washington put the IRS gun to our head, and even use this IRS gun to target conservatives for political purposes. If this hasn’t convinced people to stop paying taxes, I don’t know what will. Fuck the redistributive politicians and our socialist government, and more power to people like you.

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  118. AWD says:

    Obama-Socialism-Joker.jpg
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  119. Olga says:

    I read recently – Dmitry Orlov perhaps – that it will be the underground economy that will allow for any remnant of normalcy in the future.

    I will redouble my efforts to leave all my tips in CASH and to use CASH at every opportunity when doing business local.

    The ship is going down and if playing by “the rules” means not planning for an existence after failure than to hell with “the rules” – and I imagine the closer one is to the edge –the more irrational “the rules” appear.

    And vice-versus – the more embedded within the Status Quo, the more successful an individual has become – the more likely “the rules” become just one of those prices we pay for the opportunity to succeed – even on a sinking ship.

    Perspective and perception.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:57 am

  120. Administrator says:

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

    ― Upton Sinclair

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  121. Administrator says:

    “Into this wild-beast tangle these men had been born without their consent, they had taken part in it because they could not help it; that they were in jail was no disgrace to them, for the game had never been fair, the dice were loaded. They were swindlers and thieves of pennies and dimes, and they had been trapped and put out of the way by the swindlers and thieves of millions of dollars.”

    ― Upton Sinclair, The Jungle

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  122. sensetti says:

    LLPOH
    Don’t leave, without your contribution a huge hole would be blown in this blog, I don’t comment much but I read everything you write and agree with you most of the time as I am sure many others do.
    Read the article and post your thoughts

    The Narcissism Epidemic

    For anyone growing up in this fucked project called the United States, the signals are clear from day one—if you want to be somebody, if you want to get ahead, if you want to rise above the grazing herd, you will have to go to any length to make the world revolve around you. You will have to fuck others
    over (use them) without giving it a second thought. Anything goes in the unprincipled climb to … somewhere—the top? the top of what?
    http://www.declineoftheempire.com/2013/03/the-narcissism-epidemic.html

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    13th May 2013 at 10:09 am

  123. AWD says:

    Llpoh complains all day long about paying taxes, our socialist redistributive government, and being a milk cow for the FSA, yet gets angry when someone avoids paying taxes which he can’t avoid or goes to jail. Anything that can bring about the collapse of our socialist government is welcome as far as I’m concerned. If I could avoid paying taxes, I certainly would.

    It is morally reprehensible to pay taxes so 100 million people can sit on their asses, not work, and get paid to reproduce and vote. It is morally reprehensible to pay money into a system that invades sovereign countries and murders it’s people for no other reason than protect oil and rape resources from those countries.

    It is morally reprehensible to support a government that runs up $17 trillion in debt, and promises another $150 trillion in goodies, healthcare and pensions it can’t possibly ever pay.

    The economic and governmental collapse of this country can’t happen soon enough. We are way past due, and we will pay for our sins. To argue about how this will happen is silly. The sooner it happens, the better, so we can start over with the principles that built this country into something good, and not what we have now, which is tyranny and fascism.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:20 am

  124. Calamity says:

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    13th May 2013 at 10:29 am

  125. flash says:

    sensetti , funny you should mention drama queen narcissism….but I disagree with the premise., so I’m leaving TBP for good…and don’t try to stop me.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:59 am

  126. sensetti says:

    Flash sorry to see you go as well. Lol

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    13th May 2013 at 11:03 am

  127. Calamity says:

    I love the irony of him bragging a few weeks ago about chasing off newbies, only be the one to pack his shit up and declare injustice.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:11 am

  128. Stucky says:

    The votes are in.

    Let this day forever be known as “May 14th Day of Slaughter” … a day that will live in infamy

    Calamity ——- 137 thumbs up ———– 28 thumbs down
    Llpoh ———– ..73 thumbs up ———— 433 thumbs down

    R.I,P. llpoh

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    13th May 2013 at 11:12 am

  129. flash says:

    sensetti , won’t be much laughing when ya’ll won’t have ole’ flash to kick around anymore….let the weeping and gnashing of teeth commence ..
    And, if none youse guys are real busy , it’d really be big help to overcoming my empty sack syndrome if a coupla’ youse guys would please beg me to stay.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:13 am

  130. Stucky says:

    Jessus Krist. What a bunch of fucking pussies here.

    I hate pussies.

    So fuck you all. I’m leaving too. Done. Finito. Fertig. Outta here.

    Muthafuckers!!

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    13th May 2013 at 11:17 am

  131. Gubmint Cheese says:

    Wow;
    Look how this has all evolved from an article on bugus retail sales figures…

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    13th May 2013 at 11:19 am

  132. sensetti says:

    LLPOH in days gone by.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:25 am

  133. flash says:

    Gubmint Cheese , you must be new to TBP.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:27 am

  134. Calamity says:

    Am I doing it right?
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    13th May 2013 at 11:37 am

  135. sensetti says:

    Kate
    AWD’s favorite 20 something

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    Your welcome

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    13th May 2013 at 11:38 am

  136. SAH says:

    @llpoh – why don’t you just cry for admin to ban Calamity? Her fraudulent, tax-cheating, Fed student loan defaulting comments are probably driving away readers from TBP. Isn’t that how you usually deal with your old man angst and deeply ageist and sexist hatred of young women? It is such a shame that some of us choose to spend our time arguing with you on TBP. Oh the tragedy. The horror. Too bad more young women aren’t out doing what you proscribe as good behavior for young women aka getting knocked up out of wedlock while “having fun” and then getting those perfectly legal abortions (which you wholesale support just because they are legal – being a bean counter and a man with 0 actual moral principles). This is really the crux of my problem with you, llpoh. You believe morality derives from government decree. That is BULLSHIT. Legality does not make something morally right or wrong, and neither does illegality. Well. Adios. You’ve obviously lost your spunk. You used to cry baby to ban people, now you immediately offer to leave? Pshhh. Calamity didn’t even give you a proper beat down.

    @Calamity – stop celebrating. Seriously, all of your sentiments aside, the way you do your waitress tip taxes is not some form of tax rebellion. You. Still. File. Your. W2. And. 1040. And you probably wouldn’t dare to NOT do so. And the manner/amount you declare on taxes on waitressing is completely standard. So not only is Llpoh an idiot for engaging you in this argument, but you are overestimating your “coolness” for not line item accounting your tips. No fucking waitress does that, nor bartenders, baristas etc. Neither the FSA-loving Obamites nor government-hating TEA party people, so I am sorry but the way you estimate your tip taxes is not a revolution. Also – I agree with one thing that Llpoh says here – pay your fucking loans. No one makes anyone take out a loan, it is voluntary. People who default voluntary loans they chose to take out are scoundrels and dishonest. The bank’s ability to sell your loans etc is laid out in the contract. Both parties should follow the contract. If you were too young/naive/ignorant/optimistic to fully read and comprehend the loan contract before you signed then… You are just dumb. If you fully understood it, signed anyway, and now refuse to pay what you owe…. Then you are a dishonest cheat. Either way, once again you are not a revolutionary on this point either. Plenty of wannabe college students have also been too dumb to comprehend their loan contracts and defaulted. Plenty more are dishonest cheats and understood the contract but always planned to default. Sorry, but you are not that cool. Nice “Banksy” inspired meme you posted there. Banksy is cool… The girl depicted wearing a bandit mask is cool… You, Calamity… not so much.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:50 am

  137. harry p. says:

    llpoh,
    the best way to end the bs that is the thugocracy of the US govt is to “starve the beast”

    calamity is doing her part, the nation would be a better place if we all did the same.

    The only tax cheats I see are the people declaring that they have a right to other people’s property and then steal it but call it don’t like calling it that so they call it “taxing” instead.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:11 pm

  138. AWD says:

    Arguments and nipples aside,

    Flash, Stucky and Llpoh. Please refrain from leaving TBP. You are valuable to this site, to me, and to others. Your contributions are important, and it would be a loss if you were to leave. Whether you were joking or not, it is in everyone’s best interests if you guys stick around, and I hope you do.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:03 pm

  139. Chatham Police says:

    We’ve been monitoring this thread with much interest. The good thing about being a 2nd responder is that we have plenty of time to spend in local restaurants and eating for free. We’ve never had to leave a tip for a waitress.

    Stuck directed us to Calamity’s website and I must say we are smitten. We’ll be visiting your place of work on all the crab legs you can eat Wednesdays to make sure you are reporting your tips properly. I hope you have a lot of crab legs.

    We’ll also be contacting our friends at the IRS to audit you tea party terrorists.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:04 pm

  140. IRS agent says:

    We’ve been contacted by our friends at the Chatham Police Dept and it looks like we’ve hit the motherload of tax cheats on this site.

    It is clear from the dialogue that there is a major tax cheat that must be dealt with.

    Therefore, we will immediately begin a two year detailed IRS audit of llpoh’s business. Anyone who says they pay every dime of taxes that they owe is immediately a suspect in our eyes. No one does that.

    The rest of you can carry on.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:08 pm

  141. Mary Malone says:

    @Calamity You are absolutely on point about the student loan fiasco and the consumer’s right to challenge the “holder of the Note”.

    The Uniform Commercial Code governs all Promissory Notes – mortgage notes, student debt, credit card.

    Under the UCC, Section 301 (i), (ii), (iii) ONLY the ‘person with the rights to enforce the Note’ or the “servant of the person with the rights to enforce the Note” can declare a default on the Note.

    They have screwed up title on 66 million mortgages thru fake securitization, stolen $17 trillion from pension funds and are have stolen 5 million homes. And they are not done. There are 10 million more homes in the pipeline slated for foreclosures.

    The same business model was rolled out for student loans and credit cards.

    If a consumer pays the wrongful holder of the Note, then the consumer is liable for making payments to the “person with the right to enforce the Note.”

    Paying the wrong party does NOT rightfully pay down the debt. The real “person with the right to enforce the Note” can appear at any time, and the consumer will be obligated to pay ALL of the debt.

    You are smart and very correct in taking the new “holder” of the Note to court. Make them prove, by submitting evidence to the court on how they obtained the rights to enforce your Note.

    If they cannot prove they obtained the rights lawfully, then the judge should issue an Order that the rightful creditor is unknown. Kinda a Quiet Title on the student loan debt.

    For those who scream, “You signed a contract, you MUST pay”, we challenge you to review Calamity’s Student Loan docs and find the language that states her Note would be sold and she would not receive any of the benefits from the sale. Did they mention that the same Note would be sold to multiple parties, pledged into multiple trusts?

    Also, they securitized her loan application and sold it on the global credit markets to the highest bidder. Any check arrive in the mail, issued to Calamity for a cut on that purchase? Don’t think so.

    Contracts have three important components – Offer, Acceptance and Consideration. If the Offer was seeped in fraud, the elements of the fraud were not disclosed to the borrower before they signed the contract, and the consideration was paid by parties that were NOT cited on the contract, how could this be a valid agreement?

    C’mon guys. Time to put down the moral hazard club. Everyday Americans are going Gault because the game is rigged so tightly in the Cronies favor.

    It’s called resistance.

    I wish I had Ann Barnhardt’s courage to officially call a tax strike. I commuted 45 miles to a part-time job with NO benefits for six months and have to pay $10k in ADDITIONAL taxes to the Feds. My income bumped us into a new bracket. The fruits of my labor are going to fund the tyrannical security apparatus, drones killing children and families in Pakistan and abortion clinics. They, however are going to wait for the payment. And we plan to negotiate it down to pennies on the dollar.

    When you step away from the moral hazard and think critically about problems the solutions are very clear.

    Resist.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:18 pm

  142. ob juan says:

    sorry i missed the shoot out. i’d be siding with llpoh on principle if not on his approach. every time llpoh would kick my ass, i’d go hide under the porch and lick my wounds but i’d come back the next day to try to argue with him some more. his rigidity reminded me of my brother daniel. i have a lifetime of experience fighting with him. i still like my brother and i like llpoh. it would not be the same around here without the old dog. when my granpa died, the last old man in the neighborhood said, i’m the only one left. i hope it doesn’t come to that. i said it before, we need to clone these old dudes for future generations.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:30 pm

  143. Stucky says:

    AWD

    Thanks, buddy. But, no worries, I was kidding.

    I left TBP before. Couldn’t stay away. I won’t be pulling that trick anymore. I feel a sense of commitment to Admin and all the folks here.

    I also gain tremendous sense of solidarity with you all, even when we sometimes vehemently disagree. I’ve revealed more here about me than any other place, ever … not even close. You know me. I know you all. This feels as close to a family as is possible over the internet. I would never give this up. I sincerely hope llpoh feels the same.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:35 pm

  144. Stucky says:

    Llpoh
    I will be brief as possible, because I don’t know if you will be reading this.

    1)- You make an appeal to the 16th Amendment. SAH’s response is all that really needs to be said;

    “You believe morality derives from government decree. That is BULLSHIT. Legality does not make something morally right or wrong, and neither does illegality.”

    Couldn’t state it better myself. By way of example, if the government decreed that once again slavery is legal … you would have to agree with it, if you were to remain consistent. Although, I am sure you would not. Therefore, you also, are ‘picking and choosing’ which government issued decrees you will follow. And, rightfully so. So, don’t piss and moan when someone else does the same thing.

    2) Since you bring up the Constitution, I will also. There is a line in there about “the consent of the governed”. I did not consent to the 16th Amendment. I’m pretty sure even the people that lived at the time did not consent. (I believe it was supposed to be temporary, anyway.) It was a decree forced upon the people. The people have a Constitutional right to not consent. Stop complaining.

    3) You self-righteous attitude about keeping laws stinks to high heaven. You have posted here about breaking speed laws. So much for that! How many thousands of laws are there in the Federal Registry? You should read Three Felonies A Day. I’ll bet you’ve broken dozens of them. And, please, don’t cry “ignorance” and compare it to a willful act of disobedience. The law makes no such distinction. You are either guilty, or not. End of story.

    4)- You say, — “But I will NOT advocate crime as a means to change things.” Good for you, Mr. Sheeple, the government approves! Where would you have been on December 16, 1773, the Boston Tea Party? You would have been standing on the sidelines at best, or with the British Loyalists at worst. You surely would not disobey the law of the land!!! The American Revolution would have been stillborn had our Founding Fathers and Patriots followed your advice.

    The Big Question is — which laws will you not obey? If they take away your right to own a gun … will you obey it? If they take away your right to freely assemble … will you obey it? If they take away your right to worship as you please … will you obey it? I don’t think you would obey them. Then maybe you’ll come to your senses … or be faced with the biggest ever case of Cognitive Dissonance in your life.

    5)- If you really leave, either because of Calamity (doubtful, imo) or because all of us are so dishonest, then you are One Big Fat Pussy. You want us to be holy and without sin (even though you are not)? Then go to some mountaintop in Tibet, and become a monk. But, I guarantee you this; even with a congregation of one, you will soon be overcome with the Stench of Self Righteousness and Hypocrisy. At that point, come back to TBP. We love hypocrites. We’ve all been there.

    Peace (whatever you do).

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    13th May 2013 at 1:37 pm

  145. Stucky says:

    CALAMITY IS HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HOT BABE ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    13th May 2013 at 1:45 pm

  146. Gayle says:

    Ron Paul wants to end the income tax, the IRS and the Fed. How many of us were out actively campaigning for him, doing precinct walks, holding signs, having fundraisers, etc? How many of us were writing letters to editors every week to explain his positions and document the unfair treatment by the MSM?

    My point is we whine about the way things are, but aren’t willing to put our time and treasure on the line to change things when in fact we have the power – probably for not much longer, either.

    I wonder what ol’ Ron would say to Calamity.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:54 pm

  147. Administrator says:

    Stuck is the Ben Franklin of TBP

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    13th May 2013 at 1:56 pm

  148. harry p. says:

    Stucky,
    (comment at 1:37pm) that was poetry, well said sir.

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    13th May 2013 at 2:09 pm

  149. sensetti says:

    Haters are gonna hate that’s just what they do, it makes for an interesting exhibition.

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    13th May 2013 at 2:15 pm

  150. SAH says:

    @Gayle – what would Ron Paul say to Calamity?

    ISSUE – No Taxes On Tips
    “It is an outrage that waiters, waitresses, and other service-sector employees have to pay taxes on the tips they earn. The IRS makes an estimate of how much service-sector workers will make in tips, and taxes them on it even if the taxpayer did not actually earn as much as the IRS’ estimate!

    Tips provide a substantial portion of the income of many service-sector employees, many of whom are young people just trying to make a few extra dollars to get through school, or single parents often balancing two jobs while trying to make enough to raise a family. This tax amounts to nothing more than the federal government punishing these employees for working hard and doing their jobs well.

    I have introduced H.R. 3664 in Congress to end this problem. The Tax Free Tips Act of 2007 will exempt tips from federal income and payroll taxes. Ending taxes on tips will give workers an immediate pay raise, letting them keep more money to put toward things like a house or car payment, their retirement, or their own and/or their children’s education.

    When you give someone a tip, you should not have to simultaneously tip the federal government.”

    http://www.ronpaulforcongress.com/html/tips.html

    @llpoh & calamity – key part of RP’s statement here is “The IRS makes an estimate of how much service-sector workers will make in tips, and taxes them on it even if the taxpayer did not actually earn as much as the IRS’ estimate!”. So you 2 are bickering over a non-fucking-issue because as I pointed out the estimate method used by Calamity to tax her cash tips is the standard method. Llpoh, stop sulking. Calamity, stop acting hardcore when you are just doing your taxes the exact unfair way the IRS requires.

    @Stucky for once we agree -Llpoh needs to not sulk and slink away like a baby. As usual we disagree – who cares if Calamity is “hot or not” seriously you old fucks constantly objectifying and commoditizing women’s bodies makes me want to puke. But at least Calamity appears not to have gigantic silicone fake tits, so in that regard of possibly being the only picture of a natural looking human female that you have ever posted she looks good.

    Ok, everybody make the fuck up and can we just agree the graphs in this article were fucking awesome?!

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    13th May 2013 at 2:20 pm

  151. Gayle says:

    SAH

    I know RP’s stance on the issue. I’m wondering if he would encourage her to fudge on her taxes.

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    13th May 2013 at 2:33 pm

  152. SAH says:

    @Gayle – I don’t know what calamity *thinks* she is doing, but IMO from what I have read here and from my own restaurant industry experience (10+ years) estimating your tip taxes by % of gross sales is how it is done as per the IRS. So she isn’t a tax cheat. And actually, I believe studies of the way the IRS taxes servers and have found (of course) that this minimum estimate works in the IRS favor and a lot of servers pocket less than the minimum estimate the IRS forces them to pay. The IRS is like a casino, the house always has an advantage. The way the IRS has the servers set up to withhold taxes means the IRS gets overpaid on average. I don’t think Ron Paul advocates breaking the law. I also don’t think Calamity is somehow crazily breaking the law with how she does her waitress tips. The IRS has a formula for what they expect you owe from tips and they extract that amount of tax regardless of the true amount owed. Although the tax law is so complex and crazy does anyone truly know if they are 100% compliant to every tax law? But basically they have been fighting over a non issue. Calamity seems like a nice enough gal, certainly no more repugnant than Llpoh so neither one really has an obligation to leave.

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    13th May 2013 at 2:51 pm

  153. Gubmint Cheese says:

    Flash.

    Suiting up like that isn’t a problem for me at all.
    I’m surrounded by all that CBRNE type equipment every working day.

    BTW thats a Dupont Tychem LV suit.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:10 pm

  154. Calamity says:

    Mary Malone- Thanks for the info, I made sure to copy and save it. I’m pretty sure it will come in quite handy. I would love for you to write a “Who’s your lender” for student loans. It would help many people who don’t realize that there is fraud going on the student loan market.

    Stucky- I came home from work and saw my picture on TBP. I forgot that I post that picture on my blog. Thank for the compliments.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:18 pm

  155. flash says:

    OK..I left , but I’m back now …thanks for all the begging for my return….even had AWD pining like a whipped cur.

    And sensetti , now you’ve gone and violated the SSS no nips’ rule…

    Stuck, see internet rule # 37 lest you fergit’.

    Internet Rules
    1) Do not talk about rules 2-33
    34) There is porn of it. No exceptions.
    35) The exception to rule #34 is the citation of rule #34.
    36) Anonymous does not forgive.
    37) There are no girls on the internet.
    38) A cat is fine too
    39) One cat leads to another.
    40) Another cat leads to zippocat.
    41) Everything is someone’s sexual fetish.
    42) It is delicious cake. You must eat it.
    43) It is a delicious trap. You must hit it.
    44) /b/ sucks today.
    45) Cock goes in here.
    46) They will not bring back Snacks.
    47) You will never have sex.
    48) ???
    49) Profit.
    50. You can not divide by zero.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:35 pm

  156. Stucky says:

    ” … who cares if Calamity is “hot or not” seriously you old fucks constantly objectifying and commoditizing women’s bodies makes me want to puke …” ———–SAH

    I was only paying a compliment.

    What? Your husband, mom, dad, kids, or friends never told you that you look nice? (If so, that explains your over reaction.) When you meet new people, or watch a movie, or see a friend you haven’t seen in a while ……….. you mean to tell me you don’t form some kind of opinion regarding how they appear? “Oh, they look great” “Oh, she gained some weight.” Really??? You would be unique in the history of humanity ….. and, a liar.

    Sooooo … what do YOU look like? Fat? Thin? Tall? Short? Big nose? Perky titties, or saggy? Don’t be offended. In your case, this old fuck IS just trying to objectify you.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:39 pm

  157. juan who quotes himself says:

    one of the guys doing scape ops was done suiting up when he felt a bubble from the previous night’s beer. john said all he saw was the guy’s eyes went large as he began to flail about, trying to take his mask off while wearing those thick rubber gloves.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:49 pm

  158. Mary Malone says:

    @Calamity. Good idea on the “Who’s Your Lender?” for people with student loans.

    There is a website called, http://www.whatliesinyourdebt.com

    It requires being a member to join and receive benefits. But I understand the people who run the group are really smart and have perfected the process for challenging credit card and student loan debts in court.

    They supply templates, and host conference calls where members can ask questions and geet advice specific to their issue.

    You may want to check it out – perhaps will have some good tools for you to use.

    Lastly, there is a book you can buy on Amazon called, “Fighting the Foreclosure Machine” which provides explanations on how to challenge the “lender” on providing evidence they are the “person with the rights to enforce the Note.”

    It’s written for homeowners, but the same principals on student loans and the UCC should apply.

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    13th May 2013 at 4:29 pm

  159. Stucky says:

    flash

    I don’t know WTF you’re talking about.

    That’s a sweeeet bike, ain’t it?

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    13th May 2013 at 4:43 pm

  160. Calamity says:

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    13th May 2013 at 5:16 pm

  161. Dan says:

    I think tax evading student loan defaulting waitresses are hot.

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    13th May 2013 at 5:17 pm

  162. dave says:

    dave wishes he could pay all of his taxes in pennies

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    13th May 2013 at 5:26 pm

  163. Snap says:

    I’m with calamity on this one too. Except for the loans, which she should repay as they are voluntary. Plus the education will only benefit her someday.
    But, like her, I don’t want to pay for politicians and fuckin freeloaders anymore either.
    I’m like Bruce , fuck all the sheeple!!!

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    13th May 2013 at 5:57 pm

  164. flash says:

    For the record, I didn’t read nary a Calamity comment, sose’ when the audit comes around I’ll know nothing…
    anonymity is a beautiful thing until it isn’t…

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    13th May 2013 at 6:19 pm

  165. Stucky says:

    Beauty is skin deep.

    But, ugly goes right to the bone.

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    13th May 2013 at 6:36 pm

  166. Calamity says:

    Stucky-

    So true. With the feminazis it is all around. With me, it goes further then disagreeing with them on politics. I like to be feminine, not sexy. Many don’t get that. They typically go to an extreme. Either a dyke, or overly sexual. That is not feminine at all. Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn, Eva Gardner, Bette Davis, Jane Russell, and Jean Harlow were sexy because of their femininity. Growing up after the feminist movement is a burden. Women are no longer allowed to be what women always were. Feminazis tend to forget, that their ideas have only been around for 50 years, a very small time frame. They want all women to be like them, if you want to be the woman that comes naturally to you, then you must be a dense bimbo.

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    13th May 2013 at 6:45 pm

  167. sensetti says:

    AWD get you a paint horse and hit the show circuit

    Kate Upton competed on a national level in the American Paint Horse Association and won 5 world titles on her horse Roanie Pony.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:13 pm

  168. Eddie says:

    I always said the millenials would go to the underground economy to avoid being tax slaves to support the oldies. It’s the only thing they can do really. Why should they sacrifice their lives to support a system we all know is corrupt and unsustainable?

    Calamity, most people aren’t really even aware of how bad the system screws them, because a man named Milton Friedman got the bright idea of taking people’s money from their paychecks before they ever got to hold it in their hand. It was not always so…They gave that little prick a Nobel Prize, btw.

    A grassroots movement to end payroll deductions might be a nice place to start in taking back your rights as US citizens. If working people had to write a check to the IRS for their tax tab like business owners do, there would be more political involvement from more people concerned about how the government spends your money.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:22 pm

  169. Calamity says:

    I always said the millenials would go to the underground economy to avoid being tax slaves to support the oldies.

    Eddie, I am glad you posted this when you did. I am currently writing my next post, you will be quite pleased to know that it is based on this idea of an underground economy. I believe many people will be going that direction. Not just because of taxes and and how taxes are spent, but to make a living at all. Only a fool wouldn’t know that a black market economy is emerging. The government can only tax as long as you have an official job. With Obamacare going into law, and people working well under a full time hours, many are going to find extra work through networking connections.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:34 pm

  170. SAH says:

    @AWD says: “SAH, a feminazi” ? ….Are you kidding? So, obviously you don’t know me any more huh?

    Lets see…. the combination of soliciting prostitution (Stucky did encourage Calamity to engage in paid sexual acts, I believe it was a blow job, offering to be her 2nd John after Llpoh, apparently Stucky likes sloppy 2nds?) and then later stalking the girl’s blog and posting her picture here…. yeah, that is just normal, gentlemanly behavior… its just normal “paying a compliment” to solicit prostitution, and only a Feminazi would find unseemly or creepy. Yep. Actually, all of you GUYS here are the biggest bunch of Feminazi POSERS… Before Feminism removed the social boundaries of polite society none of you pigs would be casually posting semi-pornography here on a daily basis and soliciting young girls for prostitution in mixed company and still be able to consider yourselves respectable gentlemen. And furthermore, 99% of the time all you guys post are pictures of FAKE SILICONE WOMEN. I’ve hardly ever seen you guys post a real tit (implants), ass (Brazilian butt lift surgery) or hair (extensions) on here. So, yes I find the fact that you all obsessively post pictures of COMMODITIZED BODY PARTS (literally commoditized – since they are purchased body parts) coupled with offers of paid prostitution (again, literally commoditization) to be abhorrent and disgusting. Why bother with any biological content at all. Here, I will help you guys out these are 100% silicone and can be legally bought and sold:

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    13th May 2013 at 7:41 pm

  171. SAH says:

    search%3Fq%3Dlove%2Bdoll%2Bsilicone%26um%3D1%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hl%3Den%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CDIQrQMwAw

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    13th May 2013 at 7:44 pm

  172. SAH says:

    arghh… wordpress doesn’t like silicone love dolls.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:46 pm

  173. sensetti says:

    SAH
    HOW do you know for sure the body parts are manufactured, can you say with 100% certainty kate upton was not born with that chest.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:55 pm

  174. sensetti says:

    SAH OK tell me, are these real or manufactured?

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    13th May 2013 at 7:59 pm

  175. AWD says:

    SAH

    I enjoy your posts, although I don’t agree with the COMMODITIZED BODY PARTS comment. Women are a thing of beauty, God made ‘em that way. it is in human nature to appreciate that beauty and God’s good work. We don’t post any pornographic images at all. I try to never post siliconized breasts, which I can’t stand. Men, in general, are pigs, and we are no different. Maybe you need to look at yourself and see what makes you so irritated,. Berating men for being men will get you nowhere, and you are free to post all the men (sans actual penis’) that you wish. In the meantime, quit your belly aching.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:00 pm

  176. Calamity says:

    SAH- I didn’t respond to your comments so far, because I let things slide, the biggest reason I didn’t engage when Ole Lollihop when he gave me the chance to give him the slam he had coming. You have gone too far with your “I am woman, hear me roar” babble.

    I am not a woman that gets offended by being whistled at on the street. My actual response to this action is to make eye contact, smile, and say thank you. I don’t get offended when a guy calls be sweetie, dear, or even shorty. Those are compliments. I am not ignorant about that, unlike you. I don’t get offend when a guy likes how I look, or says I have a pretty face, or nice booty. Again, those are compliments. Women for centuries got preferred treatment due to their apppearence and demeanor. Is it childish, yeah it is, but it works. I’m not too arrogant to think that the rules have changed since the latest wave of feminism.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but women in history had somethings very good. I will not bow don’t and accept the boomer ideal of feminism is the right answer. It has a short history, that isn’t good or flattering. All 60s feminism gave us was divorced, damaged children, body image issues, and unhappy over achieving women. There is nothing glamorous about feminism. It has done a lot of harm.

    I posted my own picture on the internet. It is on my facebook and on my blog. I forgot that I had put that as public access, but I did post it. I made the choice to connect my own image with my writing. I’m not some poor girl who is being exploited. In case you didn’t notice, I made jokes too. I made jokes about being attractive, prostitution, and “servicing troops” for free. You took most of this too literal. Am I a slut or whore in real life? Um no.I actually have strict moral views on sex. Humor seems to escape you.

    As far as the vulgar post of the men of TBP. All the power to them. In case you didn’t now, pin up girls were highly offensive in the 1940s. It was indecent to take photos of young women in that matter, so artists use to draw them with pastels. They became highly popular with troops during WW@, for good reason. Most men were going to die in that war. Looking at naughty art pictures was no bug deal considering what awaited them. Did anybody call them perverts? Nope, they were young men that could be killed by Nazis. Not the Pin up is considered actual art. It empowers femininity and good looking women. A lot of pin up art is in galleries. Many tattoo artists copy Sailor Jerry’s style. Hell, Sailor Jerry is a major brand now days. He is now a historical figure and Ed Hardy (I believe it is grandson) is a bigger brand.

    Before you speak, don’t include me in the victim mentality. I am a beautifThe men of TBP didn’t exploit that, they confirmed it. I like being told I am pretty. It makes me feel good. Is it shallow? No, it is natural. Humans (both sexes) like beauty. Is it vain? Not really, they back up that I am pretty. I am quite proud to be young and attractive. It won’t always be the case. So I will be flattered while I can.

    BTW, my inconsistent comments earlier was because I downed a full 750ml bottle of wine. Not only does it make me happy to be a wino, I also like to talk about politics with wine.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:08 pm

  177. sensetti says:

    Kate Upton does not have breast implants.

    http://famousplastic.net/2011/09/09/kate-upton-does-not-have-breast-implants/

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    13th May 2013 at 8:13 pm

  178. SAH says:

    @Sensetti – No, I believe Kate Upton’s boobs are real. She is a literal genetic freak. I have seen her walk the runway for different bikini lines and the “Jello” type wiggly-bounce is natural boobs. However, poor girl is only 18 or 19 right? By the time she is 25 gravity will be pulling those sweater puppies down. Also the ONLY REASON Kate Upton is tolerated in the modeling industry with the amount of belly fat / love handles that she has is because her boobs are real. Losing fat would lose the boobs, and her size of real boobs is so unusual as to make the modeling industry give her a “pass” on being WAY over the pudginess standard in the rest of her body. However, real or fakeness of one set of boobs here on TBP, does not change the fact that sexual commoditization goes on here daily and the people who do it are indignant about being “gentlemen” and “anti-feminism” and yet it is exactly feminism that allows these men to treat women in a sexually impolite manner that would have been grounds for public censure in pre-feminist times. It is also feminism which allows these men to argue the pro-abortion feminist mantra with me… because it actually is expedient for MEN to be able to fuck sluts who will have abortions. Again, there is a lot of hypocrisy here. A lot of men here frolic in the post-feminism lack of decorum and open sexual market which requires no traditional family or commitment for sexual activity and they openly celebrate pornography, prostitution, surgical mutilation of women’s sex/reproductive organs, slutty behavior and resulting abortions. My disapproval of the situation in no way makes me a “feminazi”. In fact, I disapprove precisely because I am not a feminazi.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:13 pm

  179. Zarathustra says:

    SAH, you need to post more often.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:14 pm

  180. sensetti says:

    Thanks SAH well said

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    13th May 2013 at 8:18 pm

  181. Calamity says:

    SAH- I may not be correct, but I have a feeling that you lost your own feminine qualities. You speak like someone who either isn’t attract to men (which case, you have not right to talk about being exploited) or lost their way.

    You might be middle aged and quite dumpy. No longer knowing how to be a woman, maybe a few pounds over weight, and taken advantaged by a system that favors young women. I do feel a bit sorry for your position. It is easier to blame men then to get a treadmill. To get a good hair cut, buy pretty clothes, get a mani and pedi, learn how to have a genuine smile, how to cook and be an major influence in your family. SO sad that you would rather put down other women, then to learn their secrets. How horrible it would be that you maybe blaming for dropping the ball and turning your back on being a woman.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:20 pm

  182. sensetti says:

    My goal 50 posts back was to redirect this thread, Mission accomplished.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:21 pm

  183. SAH says:

    @Calamity – tsk tsk tsk. Poor ignorant thing. I am sad for you, as the more you say the more painfully obvious it becomes that you don’t understand what you are doing. Your defense and participation in the sexual degradation of women is not making you part of the “boys club”. In fact, it is making you a typical casualty of feminist dogma. The current culture of Female Chauvinist Pigs is a result of feminism embracing male behavior as ideal – including the sexual commoditization of women and reckless slutty sexuality, pornography & sex tapes, children “sexting”, and wholesale abortion for any and all reasons. There is absolutely nothing “traditionally feminine” about entertaining degrading behavior – it is a sign of just how sick and wretched our culture has become. Yes, men have always celebrated beauty, but in pre-feminist times of greater importance was a woman’s character and good deeds. Because in pre-feminist times courtship was for the purpose of marriage and reproduction, men put much more value on a woman’s moral character, chastity, temperament etc. Now everything is about easy, no-commitment sex, and superficial looks… being cat-called and solicited for prostitution is not a compliment, poor thing. Maybe you should just be quiet for a bit until the wine wears off because the more you say the less impressed I am.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:27 pm

  184. Calamity says:

    Maybe you should just be quiet for a bit until the wine wears off because the more you say the less impressed I am.

    But that is part of my charm. You know charm. Nevermind charm school was over decades ago. No reason you no longer act lady like. Maybe you should get offend about the use of wine. Like the prudish church ladies that brought about prohibition in the 1920′s. I saw pictures of those women, they were ugly too. Though the sin of their men was alcohol. Naw, the sins of their men was they didn’t have anything to look at once they got home.

    Maybe you could look into teaching home ec. Schools don’t have those teachers anymore, you could bring it back. Maybe learn through teaching what being a woman is again. Then maybe you could make good meals and keep a man. BTW- there is a website that may help with that. http://www.pinterest.com.

    Good reference, you may even be able to learn something about being warm and having a warm home.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:37 pm

  185. Mary Malone says:

    Geeze, Louise. Progressives take the fun out of everything.

    They have managed to destroy:
    - The joy of eating a great meal (which must include butter, meat, and wine and of course a yummy desert)
    - Driving a hot car in the fast lane (God forbid we exceed the speed limit, turn right on red, or can the seat belt)
    - Having a freakin drink, cause you cannot drive home after having a glass or 2 of wine, a gin and tonic or a couple of beers without the fear of being pulled over by state trooper who will destroy your life with a DUI

    Now, they take all the fun out of men noticing a pretty woman. For cry’in out loud -
    -Sometimes a steak is just steak, a beer is just a beer, a fast car is just fast and a woman is pretty.

    Can we please put a lid on making an issue out of EVERYTHING that is fun or brings an ounce of joy before the whole damn country collapses?

    Sheesh…

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    13th May 2013 at 8:51 pm

  186. Calamity says:

    Stucky- I never thought you were stalking or creepy. I thought you were aware of my about page. Then decided to post my pic, because, hell I know, I look surprisingly pretty for my writing capabilities. No harm, like I said, I was the one you made the photo available to begin with. Thanks again for the compliments.

    Mary Malone- I like you more and more every post lol. Not only giving me really good advice and references. You have a great deal of sense. I 100% agree with your assessment of life. Blown away by you again!

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    13th May 2013 at 8:57 pm

  187. SAH says:

    Wow, you are an ignorant little bitch. Enjoy your youth, because once it fades you don’t have the intellect capacity nor the ice water in your veins necessary to be a traditional woman. You are so far off base and I am so out of your league that I shouldn’t even have to respond to you. But for the record, I am 35 – does that make me old? I have been working for 22 years, I paid off all of my college loans on my own by age 28, I have been monogamous with the same man for 11 years and married for over 8. After paying my college debts off I had 2 children in wedlock and I am a dedicated wife and mother. I still weigh the same amount I did at age 16 (125lbs). I own a gym as a hobby. Professionally, I am in Legal Services for nearly nearly a decade now. I have been precious metals investing for about 12 years. I keep a lovely, comfortable and functional home. I have been doing gardening and food preservation for about 7 years now, and generally home pressure can about 144 quarts of home grown produce each year. I am in the slow food movement and basically cook a paleo homemade diet for my family. They are also fit and trim. I just don’t have time to post on TBP like I used to. By the way, not only is being solicited for prostitution not something to take as a compliment, but being a wino is not something to be proud of either. Poor ignorant thing.

    @Zara – nice to bump into you here, and thank you. I mostly just read the articles now and stay out of comments.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:59 pm

  188. Stucky says:

    Calamity

    Your post about women and femininity was right on the money.

    Ignore the two thumbs down. They were both from SAH.

    Remember how you ignored me once not so long ago? That might be the best remedy for SAH. She’s like a pimple … annoying as hell, but it will go away if left alone.

    You weren’t here when she first arrived. She hates EVERYONE who disagrees with her … or with those who don’t measure up to HER standards. I made a list of her name calling and insults, and boy was it a doozy! Consider yourself in good company.

    I am not kidding or trying to be funny when I say she is THE angriest poster ever here on TBP. I love messing with her. Why? Because it’s so damn easy. And try as she might, she can’t hang with me. Hell, I even ran her off a couple times. lol

    But, you? A sweet feminine lady? Remember the pimple.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:01 pm

  189. I Love Cat Fights says:

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    13th May 2013 at 9:03 pm

  190. AWD says:

    The Calamity post at 8:08 is perfect. As for SAH trying to indoctrinate her into politically correct “woman thought” is a fucking joke. Somehow, despite all the liberal progressive thought control schools, media, and fellow female brainwashing, Calamity remains a true female, comfortable with herself and the admiration for her, and of sound mind. Truly Amazing, imagine the battles she’s had to fight with women like SAH and all the other disturbed, women really should be men, and men are really the enemy kooks out there. It is so refreshing to see a real female, a real woman, there are so few left. Most throw everything back in your face, kick you in the nuts, and look askance at any admiration or affection. And so, Calamity not withstanding, the war of the sexes rages on as 95% of the brainwashed pseudo women enlarge and protect the chip on their shoulder. Fuck ‘em.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:05 pm

  191. Calamity says:

    SAH- Sure, you sound very happy. Wait, no. You sound found very bitter. Maybe something isn’t working out for you anymore if you have that level of hostility. Maybe your husband doesn’t give it to you good anymore. That is so, so sad. If I was in your position, I would upgrade to 2 bottles of wine with over 15% alcohol content. Or you such at cooking your Ragu Spaghetti and he knows he is being ripped off.

    Like I said, those were jokes. You know, ha ha funny. Never mind you just want to be offended. BTW being thin isn’t the same as being pretty. I have seen plenty of thin women who were dumpy and didn’t know how to be sensual. They were just as homely and unhappy as you sound.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:07 pm

  192. Stucky says:

    CORRECTION.

    Actually, SAH was funny …….. ONCE.

    I made a joke about choking the chicken, or something like that …….. and henceforth she called me Sticky. That’s some funny shit right there.

    Now all she’s got is “you are an ignorant little bitch”. Not funny. Not even creative. Just B-O-R-I-N-G.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:08 pm

  193. Stucky says:

    In the interest of EQUAL TIME … I, Sticky el Grande, perused the worldwide web to find a picture of SAH.

    SAH, October 2012, at the Men Are Fucking Pigs State Fair
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    13th May 2013 at 9:13 pm

  194. Calamity says:

    Stucky- Bitch is so over used that I won’t go crying to the man that hates my Ragu spaghetti over it. Oh wait that is her, that can’t cook good food. Maybe she can cry on him, snot bust his button off his shirt, and be exposed as a womanly fraud once she exposes herself as too stupid to sew it back on.

    BTW- With the wine, Yesterday I had a bottle of Yellow Tail Pinot Noir with Tortollini and Tomato meat sauce, and garlic butter french bread and later I made cookies.Tonight in was Naked grape Pinot Grigio with Nacho flavor egg wraps (cream cheese, jalapeno juice, cheddar, and black olives) dipped with sour cream.

    I think I win the woman challenge. I can write, cook, and drink the right wines. Oh and I am pretty :)

    I

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    13th May 2013 at 9:17 pm

  195. Stucky says:

    It’s really not a cat fight.

    Calamity cautiously approaches the venomous sah-snake. ….
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    ….. and then eats it.
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    13th May 2013 at 9:19 pm

  196. AWD says:

    SAH- Sure, you sound very happy. Wait, no. You sound found very bitter.

    Most women are bitter. Somebody sold them a bill of goods that they should be unhappy, that they were oppressed, that they are forever victims and deserve some kind of reparations, which are never forthcoming. Sound familiar? The civil rights movement and the women’s “liberation” movement occurred about the same time, with the same effects. Women that never seem to get liberated are bitter. The are entitled, damn it, and every fucking thing wrong in their life is the fault of various and sundry men, especially men that actually admire them. Because being admired is a sin, a sign of oppression, and something to be fought against. Well, keep fighting, don’t ever stop, and don’t ever be happy for crissakes. Keep believing what those women’s libers told you, they must be right. Someday you will get what you’re entitled to. Keep taking women’s studies classes. Meanwhile, actual women, feminine women are getting what you never can, and never will. They are smart enough to know better, while feminists eventually give up and start carpet munching. We’ve heard it all before, and like Stucky said we’ve had our fill, way more than our fill, and we’re sick of it.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:19 pm

  197. Snap says:

    I am not a woman that gets offended by being whistled at on the street. My actual response to this action is to make eye contact, smile, and say thank you. I don’t get offended when a guy calls be sweetie, dear, or even shorty. Those are compliments. I am not ignorant about that, unlike you. I don’t get offend when a guy likes how I look, or says I have a pretty face, or nice booty. Again, those are compliments. Women for centuries got preferred treatment due to their apppearence and demeanor. Is it childish, yeah it is, but it works. I’m not too arrogant to think that the rules have changed since the latest wave of feminism.

    That’s awesome of you. Most guys don’t have the courage to say nice things to women for fear of saying it to a SAH and having it misconstrued. I have complimented many in my time only to make their day. I live in a small town and really have no ulterior motives.
    I just know that it behooves them because they are wondering what it is I might want, plus it happens so seldom it’s fun to watch them have a proud moment.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:38 pm

  198. Stucky says:

    I, Stucky da Judge, in accordance with TBP’s Rules of Shit-Flinging, Paragraph, 3.1.2, titled “Debating With Really Angry Women Who Might Also Be Ugly”, do now judge the aforementioned shit-flinging between opponents, 1) SAH and, 2) Calamity, and do hereby award the GRAND PRIZE EPIC BEATDOWN OF THE AGES to ………….. Calamity.
    ——- (crowd cheers and applauds my wisdom)

    .
    I, Stucky, the sometimes hotheaded poster, do regret ever getting mad at Calamity for the perceived sin of ignoring me.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:44 pm

  199. Stucky says:

    I think we ran her off.

    Again.

    LMFAO

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    13th May 2013 at 9:51 pm

  200. Calamity says:

    That’s awesome of you. Most guys don’t have the courage to say nice things to women for fear of saying it to a SAH and having it misconstrued. I have complimented many in my time only to make their day. I live in a small town and really have no ulterior motives.
    I just know that it behooves them because they are wondering what it is I might want, plus it happens so seldom it’s fun to watch them have a proud moment.

    I hate that shit.Look I use to work in a bar. I learned more things about men and life working their then I did during college or any part of like. Most women encourage being cat called by their attitudes. I have heard of women being offended by a guy telling her to smile, btw that is the facial expression of women that is the most inviting and beautiful. I don’t get offend because most of the time, men just want to be. It isn’t the fault of the younger women, all they know is the post 60s feminism. But they do know something is wrong. It took me years to figure this out. I was never too sensitive to begin with, but sad to say, I had to work in a hyper sexual night club to realize these lessons in life. I don’t regret knowing this at all. My life has been 100% better, and I make more money waiting tables and bartending because of it.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:52 pm

  201. Stucky says:

    I’ll bet llpoh is reading this …. and DYING to get a word in.

    He really likes SAH.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:53 pm

  202. Calamity says:

    Stucky- Nah, I think he was more then pissed. Those 344 dislike probably chipped away his ego big time lol.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:05 pm

  203. Llpoh says:

    I am watching you Stucky

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    13th May 2013 at 10:39 pm

  204. Bruce says:

    A wonderful home baked meal, a bottle or two of wine and Hot Calamity. Now that’s the real deal….

    But then there’s fine chilled food, ice cold vodka and cold Steely SAH. Hell, I could dance with that too.

    By the way Stucky find us some pictures of Hot Mary Malone.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:41 pm

  205. John A says:

    Calamity after her fight with SAH. She likes sharp-dressed men and Coca Cola.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:37 am

  206. Full Bore Stupid says:

    1. If this becomes a pickup site I’m out of here.
    2. I’ll give you two Clammytitties for one Lone Wolf.
    3. Wake up, Stucky, the dominatrix has you.
    4. Regarding Stuck’s sweet barroom talk @9:01 – get a room, Silvio Berlusconi

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    13th May 2013 at 12:38 am

  207. AKAnon says:

    This thread has gotten a lot more interesting. Nice work, Sensetti. I have thought for some time that the females of TBP, as a group, are smarter and more insightful than the average guy here. Thanks to all the “Women of TBP”. Glad to see Calamity is keeping up that tradition. And in a different way, so is SAH. I hope Hope comes back.

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    13th May 2013 at 1:06 am

  208. AKAnon says:

    Holy shit, it works! Hope has returned. Now I hope llpoh reconsiders. (What the hell-it’s worth a try).

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    13th May 2013 at 2:14 am

  209. John A says:

    This comment thread isn’t any sillier (or off the mark) than hundreds of others that I have read here at TBP. Nobody is required to add comments or graphics under any article. Anybody is allowed to take break for a while or leave anytime they want. This is the premier web site on the net for discovering/uncovering the truth and to find unbridled/hysterical humor. It is so only because people are allowed to be unmerciful and brutally honest. All of us can thank Jim Quinn for that.

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    13th May 2013 at 6:33 am

  210. Full Bore Stupid says:

    Stucky says:

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    13th May 2013 at 6:36 am

  211. Administrator says:

    John A

    You’re welcome.

    But I wonder for how long.

    I was just reading a thread on Zero Hedge. It appears the authorities are giving ZH a hard time and tying them up in court with defamation charges, etc.

    It sounds like there is a concerted campaign by TPTB to post anti-semetic remarks and other comments that reduce the credibility of the website.

    I can usually sniff out government trolls on this site and dispatch them without hesitation, but if the government decides to start using lawsuits and other police state tactics, this site would be done in a split second.

    I fear they will be coming soon.

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    13th May 2013 at 7:12 am

  212. John A says:

    Jim,

    If (when) things get really bad, there will be no more free internet: just government approved web sites. I know this is also coming. The truth is becoming much too dangerous to the elites you see.

    Your first priority is your family. If you shutdown TBP tomorrow, I would understand.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:02 am

  213. flash says:

    IMHATEO, pushing the femi-nazi versus traditional filly argument aside , Calamity is a ditz when compared to the intellect of SAH.
    Cutie pie blah blah is fine for horn dawgs like Stuck , but in the real scheme of life has no rational purpose outside of entertainment.

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    13th May 2013 at 8:19 am

  214. sensetti says:

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    13th May 2013 at 8:32 am

  215. avalon says:

    Wow, llpoh, hope you come back….soon. :( You would be sorely missed if you left TBP.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:00 am

  216. Olga says:

    This thread’s direction has been interesting – although IMO a bit too “either/or” – total woman or femi-nazi and not much in-between.

    I don’t believe how an individual incorporates/displays/embraces their gender is as straight forward and deliberate as this thread implies – innate temperament and environment both play a role.

    I watched Madmen this winter – I was born in 1960 when the show begins – and I think it does a remarkable job capturing what life was like for women at the time.

    Some of what Calamity talks about is there – pretty, feminine, happily married housekeeping mothers with a strong man that make it all possible – but so is the ugliness and repression, the politics of ownership, women purposefully kept financially and emotionally childlike as a means of control.

    Perhaps (as usual?) the pendulum swung too far into femi-nazi territory, but perhaps Calamity’s youthful ability to be all female all the time and lecture the rest of us about it was built upon the foundation created by the choices women made before her time.

    Perhaps not all of the choices made by the women who came before me were as wise as I would have liked but then I wasn’t walking in their shoes either.

    My two cents.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:27 am

  217. Stucky says:

    Admin

    As of May, 2013 the Indexed Web contains at least 14.78 Billion pages.

    The chances of TBP being shut down, I believe, are exceedingly small.

    Besides, yesterday President Oreo said he is a “strong defender” of the First Amendment and a “firm believer” that the press should not be blocked in its reporting, Propoganda Minister, Jay Carney said the Justice Department is only interested in investigating criminal activity.

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    13th May 2013 at 9:27 am

  218. AKAnon says:

    Oh, well OK. If Obama’s mouthpiece said not to worry, then I’m sure everything will be fine.

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    13th May 2013 at 10:00 am

  219. full bore stupid says:

    Stuck, the decision was bogus, Crazy Horse clearly dominated every round of the fight. He only threw in the towel when he realized the totally partial judges were voting for Clammy, ‘float like a butterfly, sting like a B’ emotionally instead of rationally. I look forward to the grudge match, rumble on the platform.

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    13th May 2013 at 11:32 am

  220. Stucky says:

    AWD

    Glad you picked up my sarcasm :mrgreen:

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    13th May 2013 at 12:09 pm

  221. Confusious says:

    “Man who ride high horse take big fall.”

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    13th May 2013 at 4:47 pm

  222. Bruce says:

    Confusious said a lot of wise ass shit. A man who rides a high horse can cover more ground. Maybe that Asian smart ass should have learned to ride and learned how to fall. That way you rarely fall and when you do you recover and mount that big bastard again and ride like hell.

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    13th May 2013 at 5:43 pm

  223. TPC says:

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    13th May 2013 at 7:07 pm

  224. Bruce says:

    TPC,
    That’s priceless and so true.

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    13th May 2013 at 3:07 am

  225. Anotheranon says:

    Cheers to calamity and shame on llpoh. He is either one evil fuck or senile or both. The Thomas Jefferson quote says it all: we all have a moral obligation to starve the beast. If llpoh pays taxes into the system we have today he’s a pussy practicing self preservation and nothing more.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:20 pm

  226. Persnickety says:

    ” For example, a waitress that claims a gross income of $20,000 but buys a $25,000 luxury car probably has at least $5,000 in unaccounted income.”

    What the fuck is a $25,000 luxury car? Is this 1983?

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    13th May 2013 at 12:35 pm

  227. Persnickety says:

    I have no idea which posts are the “real” LLPOH and Calamity vs. doppels, but only Whofa King (brother of Sofa King) cares… I doubt LLPOH is gone for long, and if he is, it’s a pathetic reason to go.

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    13th May 2013 at 12:36 pm

  228. flash says:

    WOW …240 comments and not even a boomer or 9/11 post …who’da’ thunk a post of retail sales would have degenerated into such a festering flame war…

    Isn’t TBP great!

    My My hey hey….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawk2cMTnGo

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    13th May 2013 at 12:39 pm

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