WHY ARE WE SUPPORTING AL QAEDA (EASTASIA)?

There were no Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq before we invaded. Now it’s swarming with Al Qaeda fighters. Libyan dictator Ghaddafi was fighting Al Qaeda. We killed him. Mubarek kept the radical Islamists under control. We deposed him. Assad is fighting Al Qaeda terrorists. We are about to kill him. When will the American people use their fucking brains and see what is going on.

Do you see any resemblance to Orwell’s description of war in his training manual for American democracy?

 “In 1984, there is a perpetual war between Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia, the super-states which emerged from the atomic global war. “The book”, The Theory and Practice of Oligarchic Collectivism by Emmanuel Goldstein, explains that each state is so strong it cannot be defeated, even with the combined forces of two super-states—despite changing alliances. To hide such contradictions, history is re-written to explain that the (new) alliance always was so; the populaces accustomed to doublethink accept it. The war is not fought in Oceanian, Eurasian or Eastasian territory but in a disputed zone comprising the sea and land from Tangiers (northern Africa) to Darwin (Australia) to the Arctic. At the start, Oceania and Eastasia are allies combatting Eurasia in northern Africa.

That alliance ends and Oceania allied with Eurasia fights Eastasia, a change which occurred during the Hate Week dedicated to creating patriotic fervour for the Party’s perpetual war. The public are blind to the change; in mid-sentence an orator changes the name of the enemy from “Eurasia” to “Eastasia” without pause. When the public are enraged at noticing that the wrong flags and posters are displayed they tear them down—thus the origin of the idiom “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia”; later the Party claims to have captured Africa.

“The book” explains that the purpose of the unwinnable, perpetual war is to consume human labour and commodities, hence the economy of a super-state cannot support economic equality (a high standard of life) for every citizen. Goldstein also details an Oceanian strategy of attacking enemy cities with atomic rockets before invasion, yet dismisses it as unfeasible and contrary to the war’s purpose; despite the atomic bombing of cities in the 1950s the super-states stopped such warfare lest it imbalance the powers. The military technology in 1984 differs little from that of the Second World War, yet strategic bomber aeroplanes were replaced with Rocket Bombs, Helicopters were heavily used as weapons of war (while they didn’t figure in WW2 in any form but prototypes) and surface combat units have been all but replaced by immense and unsinkable Floating Fortresses, island-like contraptions concentrating the firepower of a whole naval task force in a single, semi-mobile platform (in the novel one is said to have been anchored between Iceland and the Faroe Islands, suggesting a preference for sea lane interdiction and denial).”

http://georgeorwellnovels.com/books/about-nineteen-eighty-four/#The_War

 

Experts: U.S. Case that Syrian Government Responsible for Chemical Weapons Is Weak

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Submitted by George Washington on 08/30/2013 15:33 -0400

Bonus:

The civil war in Syria started in March 2011. And see this. However, the U.S. has been funding the Syrian opposition since 2006 … and arming the opposition since 2007.

So the American government’s argument that “we must stop Assad because he’s brutally crushing a spontaneous popular uprising” is false.  The U.S. started supporting the rebels 5 years before the protests started.

Moreover, reports from mainstream media sources such as the New York Times, (and here), Wall Street Journal, USA TodayCNN, McClatchy (and here), AP, TimeBBC, the Independent, the Telegraph, Agence France-PresseAsia Times, and the Star (and here) – confirm that supporting the rebels means supporting Al Qaeda and two other terrorist groups. Indeed, the the New York Times has reported that virtually all of the rebel fighters are Al Qaeda terrorists.

By supporting the rebels, we’re supporting our sworn terrorist enemies.

A War 20 Years In the Making

If there is any doubt about this timeline, please keep in mind that the U.S. and Britain considered attacking Syrians and then blaming it on the Syrian government as an excuse for regime change … 50 years ago (the U.S. just admitted that they did this to Iran) And the U.S. has been planning regime change in Syria for 20 years straight.

The Last “Humanitarian War”

Libya’s Gaddafi claimed that the rebels in that country were actually Al Qaeda.

That claim – believe it or not – has been confirmed.

According to a 2007 report by West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center’s center, the Libyan city of Benghazi was one of Al Qaeda’s main headquarters – and bases for sending Al Qaeda fighters into Iraq – prior to the overthrow of Gaddafi:

The Hindustan Times reported:

“There is no question that al Qaeda’s Libyan franchise, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, is a part of the opposition,” Bruce Riedel, former CIA officer and a leading expert on terrorism, told Hindustan Times.   It has always been Qaddafi’s biggest enemy and its stronghold is Benghazi.

(Incidentally, Gaddafi was on the verge of invading Benghazi in 2011, 4 years after the West Point report cited Benghazi as a hotbed of Al Qaeda terrorists. Gaddafi claimed – rightly it turns out – that Benghazi was an Al Qaeda stronghold and a main source of the Libyan rebellion.  But NATO planes stopped him, and protected Benghazi.) Al Qaeda is now largely in control of Libya.  Indeed, Al Qaeda flags were flown over the Benghazi courthouse once Gaddafi was toppled. There is a direct connection to Syria.  Specifically, CNN, the Telegraph,  the Washington Times, and many other mainstream sources confirm that Al Qaeda terrorists from Libya have since flooded into Syria to fight the Assad regime.  And the post-Gaddafi Libyan government is also itself a top funder and arms supplier of the Syrian opposition.

The Bottom Line

The bottom line is that there are no few good guys involved in the Syrian war. The solution is not to bomb the country … or to send more arms to the rebels. The solution is to make sure that less weapons – chemical and conventional – get into that tinder box of a country. And to stay the h@!! out of a conflict which has no bearing on our national security.

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Guess who has been supplying the rebels in Syria with chemical weapons?

According to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak, it has been the Saudis…

Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak”

The rebels noted it was a result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

As Gavlak reports, Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels died in a weapons storage tunnel. The father stated the weapons were provided to rebel forces by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, describing them as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K’. “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

Gavlak also refers to an article in the UK’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks stating that Prince Bandar threatened Russian President Vladimir Putin with terror attacks at next year’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if Russia doesn’t agree to change its stance on Syria.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” the article stated.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Saudi Prince allegedly told Vladimir Putin.”

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THE PROGRESSIVE’S 8-STEP GUIDE TO DEALING WITH A SYRIA:

1. Announce that the bully’s behavior is unacceptable.

2. Should they continue behaving unacceptably, we tell them that their unacceptable behavior cannot be allowed to continue.

3. Should the unacceptable behavior continue anyway, then we tell them that we really mean what we said.

4. If they’re still behaving unacceptably, then we remind them that we really, REALLY do mean what we said, and that we’re not just saying that.

5. Should this result in only more unacceptable behavior, we tell them that this time, we’re serious.

6. If that doesn’t work (and it usually doesn’t, but we Progs pride ourselves on retaining faith in the inherent goodness of our fellow man and our own ability to make others see reason), then we inform them that we may have to consider scheduling an appointment to go to Geneva, where we will meet with fellow peace-loving Progs to discuss the possibility of approaching the U.N. with a request for permission to advise the bullies that we may have to impose sanctions.

7. If that doesn’t work, then we travel to some glamourous resort to attend a U.N. Conference on Global Sustainability, then fly to another resort to address a symposium on the need to keep funding the U.N. as the world’s events prove that we simply cannot hope to live in peace without it.

8. If, by this time, the unacceptable behavior has spread and can no longer be contained, go back to Step 1 and start over, and have faith that this time, we’ll get different results.

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Stucky

At 1:15PM EST today, POS O-bomb-ah will address the nation.

Bring the popcorn.

Bring a barf bag.

ecliptix543

I’ve spent most of the past two weeks out there amongst the Murican Proletariat. I have found only two general groups of people that still appear to be happy about the state of affairs: FSA numbnuts and the Chinese families that run the strip mall takeout places. Another war, any war, means that FSA benefits are safe in perpetuity, as cover will have been provided to continue the relentless printing of bribes. A war involving Russia and China lined up against the US (which we WILL lose, horribly) means that those Chinese peeps are thinking they’re about to be running this place once our tin-horn tyrann-economy is demolished. They are looking forward to having us slave away in their factories for pennies a day.

The fundamental difference between our gov’t dickheads and their gov’t dickheads is the difference in attention span. We make many jokes here about the terminal epidemic of adult ADD and if it were simply a matter of random millions of Muricans being retarded simpletons, we’d be fine. But it isn’t. It’s the whole fucking thing, top to bottom. Our adversaries have the long view and we, the short and narrow. Of course Russia and China have millions of dipshit peasants just as we do, but they tend not to let them rise very far into the halls of power. We actively seek out the unqualified for positions of influence.

Unfortunately, we have decided that it is better to be entertained by an endless parade of amusing idiots in charge of nuclear weapons than it is to be bored by actual competency in our leadership. If it were not this way, we’d have had a figure along the lines of a Ron Paul in control of the executive and Carlos Danger (a.k.a. Anthony Wiener) wouldn’t still think he had a chance at any elected office.

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

It looks like Barry just backed down.

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

Obama just made an absolute ass out of himself. He looks soooo weak. Putin must be laughing right now. Good for Vlad.

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

The incoherence of our Mid East foreign policy has just been shown in full glory. I can’t wait for the next Charles Krauthammer critique on FOX. Although I agree Krathammer is a pro Israel neocon(Being a Jew do you blame him) he does dish up a dry criticism.

cahuitabeachbound
cahuitabeachbound

Holy shit! Charles just came on.

Hollow man
Hollow man

It is their business. Let them kill each other and sort it out.

AKAnon
AKAnon

Great thread-thanks Admin.

Ecliptix; +1, well said.

Hope
Hope

Stunning, just stunning. With this “speech”, Obama has, in one stroke, thrown under the bus Kerry, the French, his own rhetoric of 3 days ago, the image of America as a superpower and his own foreign policy (=mindless blundering about the world).

The enemies of America must be looking at this display of utter weakness and fecklessness and plotting some evil deeds as we speak. The world just became a much more dangerous place.

No, I am not saying we should go bomb Syria. What I am saying is that when a president draws “red lines” and engages in this kind of rhetoric, he had damn well better be fucking sure what he is talking about, make the case, build the support and then fucking do it.

Better Obama hadn’t opened his big mouth LAST year with his red line crap, he might as well have said “double dare” you to the Syrians, or whomever used that gas. Which is STILL to be determined.

By punting back to congress, which Ovomit DID NOT DO in Libya, when congress inevitably votes NO, Obama can just paint the Republicans as evil and heartless monsters by not “responding” to these (still unclear) chemical attacks.

This will give Obama some leverage in the upcoming debt negotiations.

This speech should go down in history as the most craven, cynical and utterly hypocritical attempts at political maneuvering, EVER.

Oh, and right after the speech, Ovomit is off to the golf course.

Which makes me wonder how fucking serious, how affected he REALLY is about all those dead and gassed children.

What a fucking pansy mom-jean wearing douchnozzle fuckwit POS.

ecliptix543

Hope sez: “What a fucking pansy mom-jean wearing douchenozzle fuckwit POS.”

That’s my favorite quote so far today.

JIMSKI
JIMSKI

The idea that secondary media sources somehow derailed the syrian war is a weak argument. The fact is that no one gives a fuck. The guys with the microphones only care because it is thier guy. The other side would totally be on board if it was thier guy.

Thank god for duck dynasty and preseason football. If there had been nothing on TV someone might have noticed Syria…………..

AKAnon
AKAnon

Stuck-In that second pic, who is speaking-BO or Moochelle?

sensetti
sensetti

Obama backed down
Thank the Lawd!!!!

Frenchie
Frenchie

Putin for president, Bashar for prime minister!

I pray so that Iranians level saudi arabia, bahrein and Qatar…

fuck the terrorists. as said Putin “we’ll kill them all, even in the shitter if need be”

taxSlave
taxSlave

Pussy fuck head panty waist .http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/05/still-more-on-t.html

sensetti
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BLINK: Prez Buckles: Puts War on the Back Burner Until Congress Reconvenes on September 9
Mac Slavo – August 31st, 2013159 Comments, Join in »
With an issue so pressing that it threatens the security of the United States, we find it odd that the President is OK with waiting for Congress to come back in session for a vote on Syria…

https://www.shtfplan.com/

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