Lets see, a bunch of dual passport holding Neo-Cons in positions of power influenced Bush to invade and destroy a secular based but tyrannical regime that protected minorities and replaced it with a government run by religious fanatics who settle disputes with car bombs and routinely murders anyone who isn’t a hard line Muslim. That’s what I can a giant step backward.
All at the cost of about a $trillion dollars and 4000+ soldiers killed and 30,000+ wounded not to mention all the lives damaged in Iraq.
It’s beyond words that damage and suffering inflicted all because a bunch of fanatics. And now these same evil fucking dual passport holders want a repeat of this in Syria. Not only NO!! BUT HELL NO!!!
I think it’s high time we deported these evil fuckers and their supporters. They certainly are no friends of the U.S. or the people in the ME. That’s for sure.
RT Host: With no group claiming responsiblity for the attacks what do you think the assailants are hoping to achieve with the assault?
Richard Becker: Well I think uh, uh, there appears to be a continuity uh of of interest between those that carried out the attacks today and those who are trying to destroy the government in Syria and who are trying to bring down the government and who operate under the name of the Islamic state of Iraq and the (jumbled) and I think its quite clear their aspiration is to create a new state……blah, blah, blah….
Richard Becker is a shit talkin wind bag that presented zero evidence and zero facts to answer a direct question. Propaganda through and through.
and the beat goes on. Ladidadida, ladidadidoo
thumbs down from all the douche bag haters with zero evidence in 3,2,1…
napari thinks Iraq is a huge American success story. It only cost $1.2 trillion, 4,486 dead Americans, 32,223 physically wounded, an unknown number of mentally wounded, and tens of thousands of dead Iraqis. At least they are pumping less oil than they did before the Bush invasion and now it is a haven for Al Qaeda.
All the pain and misery and death we’ve spread across the globe is going to come home to roost. It’s called karma. We tried to bring democracy to Korea, then Viet Nam, then Afghanistan, then Iraq. One small problem, we lost a democratic form of government along the way, and we’re a centrally controlled fascist country now with full-blown socialism. There’s going to be hell to pay for what we’ve done, for what we are.
What Richard Becker forgot to mention was that GWB lobbied for and recieved bi-partisan support for Iraq. Typical ranting from an anti-war activist who will blame GWB and the republicans for EVERYTHING.
I dont want war anymore or less than any other but we oughta be careful throwing stones in a glass house.
Omitting facts or presenting selective facts alters the whole picture and ultimately does not help.
GWB LIED to gain support for his un-Constitutional attack on Iraq.
LOBBIED – what a fucking weasel word.
If the glass house is built on a foundation of lies, I’ll throw the fucking rock.
Why don’t you speak your mind napari. Israel loved that we invaded Iraq and that it is in disarray now. It’s exactly what Israel wants in Syria, Egypt and Iran. Israel is instigating the unrest in the Middle East.
Admin – of course Israel wants to destabilize those countries. What a surprise they would do that. Each of those countries, if they were not too busy fighting internally (maybe not Egypt so much), would like nothing better than to see the end of Israel and would be doing their level best to bring about its end.
It is no surprise then that Israel is doing all it can to interrupt that scenario.
The US needs to not buy in, and keep the fuck out. But it is not surprising Israel is doing what it is doing. It has, kinda, worked so far.
I live in a hotel room and eat out at restaurants. I am certain that if I keep this up for long, I am going to gain weight it will later take me months to get rid of /rant. I was watching Gingrich on CNN earlier talking about Iranian president Rouhani and his upcoming meeting with Obama at the UN. Gingrich was talking about how it didn’t matter if Iran was pursuing a nuclear bomb or not, that their enrichment program is illegal. Forget for a moment that under president Khatami, they agreed to suspend enrichment entirely if they had assurances of foreign sources of enriched uranium that would meet their various means, an offer that was ignored by Bush II. Forget that under the NPT, the US (and other signatories) are obliged to aid other nuclear countries to develop peaceful use of atomic energy. Forget that Iran is in full compliance of all provisions of the NPT and that their enrichment facilities are under 24/7 surveillance and all of their inventories of uranium are fully accounted for…
No, what continually pisses me off when the fat fuck that is Gingrich opines on the matter is that nobody bothers to point out to him that since his presidential campaign was financed to the tune of over ten million dollars by the uber zionist billionaire douchebag Sheldon Adelson, why anyone should believe that he has any credibility on this subject at all.
As for Israel…you know, our master…the position of the Netanyahu “government” is clear. They will not stop bitching and whining until Iran has no nuclear facilities at all. No reactors for producing medical isotopes for cancer patients, no electrical generating facilities, no research reactors and presumably no nuclear engineering departments at their universities. Obviously none of this will occur short of war so if Obama manages to find a way to reach any kind of deal with Iran, I will respect him enormously, knowing full well the powers of treason and treachery that restrain him and will even be thankful that despite all of his other flaws and corruption, that he found the balls to do this. Okay, that isn’t probably true. I will probably credit Putin.
They want to destabilize those countries and have us do the dirty work. They own our Congress and bribe them to support invading Muslim countries. If Israel wants to go to war with their enemies, more power to them. But one small detail. They never go to war. We go to war on their behalf. Fuck Israel.
Lets see almost all the minorities got slaughtered or fled. That includes Sufis, Yedzis, Assyrian Christians, secular Iraqis, homosexuals, etc.
Well maybe to apologists and fools that’s a success but that’s a nightmare to me in just about every way.
Sure Saddam sucked but he kept the evil religious fanatics at bey by killing the SOB’s. It wasn’t a perfect system, but a woman during Saddam’s regime could walk the streets of Baghdad without a Burqa and a male escort without being murdered. That vanished when we put the Shia in charge.
Good for the Jews but no one else.
And now the Israelis and the Jewish elite in the U.S. and London want a repeat in Syria using Goy blood and treasury to achieve their goals. Of course they won’t tell you it will result in the genocide of Christians and Alawites in the millions. They aren’t important, only Jews and their views are.
And you realize that after Syria the bloodthirsty buggers want us to take out Iran and that will probably end up starting a war with Russia and China in the process.
The world has had enough war. It’s time for us detach Jewish interests from ours because they really don’t mix at all and in fact by aligning our ourselves with Jewish interest has caused us nothing but problems over the last 60 years.
I thought the war in Iraq was related to the petrodollar, in the year 2000 saddam began selling oil in euros… Presto…..bombs start dropping, same show in Libya. If you run a small country and try to go off the petrodollar you wake up dead.
Well worth your time, the link below has a 3 part video that explains why the USA will go to any length to defend the petrodollar. http://thecommonsenseshow.com/2013/03/27/what-will-follow-the-death-of-the-petrodollar/
Admin – you know as well as I do that Israel is constantly at war – War of independence, Sinai war, Six day war, War of Attrition, Yom Kippur war, First Lebanon war and second Lebanon war, etc.. Not counting innumerable skirmishes. They havebeen under constant attack since the day they were founded. The very day they were founded war was declared on them, and it has been ongoing ever since. Just because they are paranoid doesn’t mean the Muslims are not out to get them.
Re owning Congress – who is more at fault – the takers of the bribe or the givers? I guess Congress just cannot say no. (I am unaware of Israel giving money to Congress. I know of a lot of Americans who lobby on behalf of Israel – which last time I looked was their Constitutional right – and who donate money, but I do not know of a single instance where Israel itself gave money.)
In the end our positions are the same, I suspect. But the difference is I do not blame Israel for what they are doing – they are acting in what they believe to be their own interests. Good luck to them. They are going to need it. Not my problem. Not the problem of the US or any other nation. If they can ride that horse, then they can saddle it themselves.
I blame Congress, the presidents, the Senate, the American people for not making their wishes more forcefully known. It really is a case of just saying no. It is both simple and easy.
Z – go fuck yourself, you motherfucking piece of shit.
Admin says “They want to destabilize those countries and have us do the dirty work. They own our Congress and bribe them to support invading Muslim countries. If Israel wants to go to war with their enemies, more power to them. But one small detail. They never go to war. We go to war on their behalf. Fuck Israel.”.
I said almost the identical thing and folks jump up and down. Unbelievable. The only thing I would disagree with in Admin’s entire statement is that he said they never go to war, which I believe is incorrect. Everything else is a dead match to what I said.
The petrodollar is the only reason the US can print money at will and get away with it. The world needs dollars to buy oil.
China and Russia are signing deals all over the globe to go around the dollar. China’s building the largest refinery in the world in Saudii Arabia and fast becoming their number one customer. Soon the house of Saud will go off the petrodollar which will be the final nail in the US coffin which will cause the start of WW3
I am not the one proposing the overthrow of the Constitution. That would be Z. Who wants to eject American citizens from the country because he disagrees with their viewpoints? That would be Z. Who wants to target certain groups of American citizens and strip them of their right to hold jobs? That would be Z.
Who is the traitor? I stand for the Constitution and the rights granted thereunder. If an American citizen wishes to lobby his or her govt, I will defend that right, and not try to overthrow their rights if I happen to disagree with what they are saying.
Z on the otherhand will strip Constitutional rights from those he disagrees with, and by the sound of it would wish to also strip them of their citizenship and expel them from the country for the crime of using their right to freedom of speech.
You are. You are ever the apologist for a foreign government who has attacked this nation, has spied on it, has plotted against it and has used it’s surrogates to corrupt our institutions, and you continually raise the “race” card against anyone who points out the obvious. You are pathetic and dishonest and you have the unmitigated gall to wrap yourself in the documents that proscribed the very actions which you furtively cheer.
What Israel does is up to Israel. It is no different tha what the US does to “protect its interests”. How many nations has the US attacked? Spied on? Plotted against? Used surrogates against? The list would be a mile long. The US does not need Israel to urge it to do those things – it is quite capable of doing so on its own. so why is Israel any more evi than any other nation that does the very same things? It is what nations do. Russia, China, Great Britain, France, India, Pakistan, etc etc etc. Bah. I am not an apologist – I am a realist. But I do understand why they do what they do, and find it incredible that folks do not understand that in their own little sphere of the world, they are the closest thing to a humane nation as there is.
I state that I understand it. I have clearly stated I do not give a shit what they do – it is up to them. Same goes for all nations. The US needs to stay out of it.
But dear old Z proposes to strip US citizens of their rights, their freedo, their citizenship for supporting Israel. And he bases it on what? On his hatred of Jews and all things Jewish. I for one have no fear of freedom of speech, and will not strip it from anyone. Not so dear old Z. He so fears the evil Jews that he would strip from Jewish Americans their Constitutional rights.
The issue is that the politiocias are being bought – by Jews, corporations, the Catholic Church, race groups, banks, etc. That is the issue. Stripping citizens of their rights is not the answer. Rather than decreasing the rights of citizens, we need to be increasing them and returning them to what they were intended to be.
I know of no prosecutions of Jewish Americans for spying on the US. I know of no Jewish American attacks on the US. I know of many Jewish Americans that lobby like mad for Israel. It is their Constitutional right to do so. As Z has the right to lobby loke mad for the US to say out of the mess over there, to stop giving money to Israel, to leave them to their fate (all of which I agree with).
But no matter how Z tries to cloud the issue with his lies, make no mistake, he is proposing to strip American citizens of their rights. If he is successful with the Jews, then what? Muslims? Catholics? Those of German ancestry? It is a well worn path – if you can strip the rights away from someone who you disagree with, then there is no end to it.
If given his way, the right to free speech will no longer exist.
He is a motherfucking piece of shit. Make no mistake about it.
“Lets see, a bunch of dual passport holding Neo-Cons in positions of power influenced Bush to invade and destroy a secular based but tyrannical regime that protected minorities and replaced it with a government run by religious fanatics who settle disputes with car bombs and routinely murders anyone who isn’t a hard line Muslim. That’s what I can a giant step backward.”
Well now that depends on your goal doesn’t it? If your business model is to be an enabler and your goal is to print up a trillion FRN and loan them out at interest then fuckin’ a, you just scored the ability to be paid interest in perpetuity and use that money to buy PM’s, real estate, national electrical grids, road systems etc. Sounds pretty sweet to me and it will continue to be sweet until you see a disproportionate spike in piano wire sales.
As that name-calling, hate-spewing critic, The Cynic, writes, we Neo-Cons are in positions of power and influence in this country.
We did spark the invasion of the Iraq after 911. Now that was a well-planned and brilliant sell job that’s proved that you can fool all the people for far more than some of the time.
As General Wesley Clark says, we Neo-Cons do have a seven country war agenda – Syria and Iran being the last two – for remaking the Middle East. [YouTube, General Wesley Clark: Wars were planned...]
As Ron Paul wrote in 2003 we Neo-Cons believe in the following: 1) We agree that there should be permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual; 2) We are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so; 3) We believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends; 4) We accept the notion that the ends justify the means – that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity; 5) We express no opposition to the welfare state; 6) We are not bashful about an American empire; instead we strongly endorse it, 7) We believe lying is necessary for the state to survive; 8) We believe a powerful federal government is a benefit; 9) We believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it; 10) We believe that using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country; 11) We endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary; and 12) We unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party. [7.10.2003 @ LewRockwell.com]
No I have no hesitation trumpeting this news to you plebs. First, you can’t halt the Neo-Con agenda: Second, when you realize that you have to follow along America’s Neo-Con path I’m sure you’ll be more supportive, and Third, I want to gloat a bit about how, right under your nose, we Neo-Cons have changed the mindset of the country and seized control of the government.
And as for Administrator’s comment, “Fuck Israel,” I say that’s just the petulant sputtering of someone who’s been and will continue to be Neo-Conned.
Now I understand why folks here on TBP do not step up to align with the tea party or the 9/12 project. Tea party and 9/12 project folks tend to have strong support for Israel and that would not jive with an agenda of withdrawing support for Israel.
It also explains all the past offending religious shit storm threads that included plenty of out of context derogatory comments because tea party and 9/12 folks are overwhelmingly Christian and are devout supporters of Israel.
By withdrawing support for Israel & Christians you can never gather support for the numbers needed to make a difference in Washington or rise to influence politicians.
So this is where the rubber meets the road and folks just turn themselves inside out upside down and throw out the rule book when it comes to Israel, AIPAC, and neo-cons and Christians.
If you ever want to know WTF happened you best remember you turned your back on good law abiding Americans and I for one will not feel sorry for you.
Moving forward I wont be associating “live and let live” with most of you folks.
So racism did not exist in the Middle East before GWB was elected to the US Presidency? Wow! I never knew! I was under the assumption that these people have been killing each other because they were of different races and creeds for hundreds if not thousands of years before this. I’m so glad YouTube has set me straight.
llpoh, you quisling/apologist zionist piece of shit. Get the fuck out of my country, and take your zionist piece of shit shareholders with you.
Bullcrap like this serves only to divide the peoples and Sara speaks like the loser he is. How can any rational thinking person support comments like this?? I noticed Sara did get some ups….anarchy is hidden in the folds I bet. Not good and it stands with progressives who want to remold the country to their own liking and screw everyone else.
I love how the rage carried well into the evening and is still spilling white hot into the morning. Posts on Israel on TBP remind me of the old school 1990′s Jerry Springer KKK episodes. Always eloquent, meted discourse.
Cyncal30, I am willing to give Llpoh a few points. Although he is clearly a zionist apologist and basically regurgitates AIPAC propaganda hook line and sinker, getting rid of that obnoxious cancer once and for all does present a bit of a dilemma if one is to follow strict libertarian principles. In this instance, I believe the disease is serious enough to merit taking a few shortcuts to cure it. Does this create a poor precedent? Yeah, maybe…but I doubt that there would ever be a similar threat again so I am not worried about it. Fuck, even President Washington went all extraconstitutional and shit on occasion and Israel represents a far greater threat to the republic than a few tax protestors.