Posted on 19th November 2013 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues


A two minute speech given 150 years ago today still stands as one of the most famous in American history. It struck the right tone for that moment in history. Lincoln honored the brave warriors on both sides of the epic struggle. Setting aside the disagreement regarding the causes and effects of this Civil War, Lincoln’s speech is a masterpiece. 

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln November 19, 1863


  1. Administrator says:

    Flash posting 50 anti-Lincoln comments in succession in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

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    19th November 2013 at 8:53 am

  2. Yojimbo says:

    These States, united, would have been better off if Lincoln had been a victim of the Knockout Game.

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    19th November 2013 at 8:55 am

  3. TPC says:

    I’m not a fan of the man, but damn he could put together (and deliver) one helluva speech.

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    19th November 2013 at 9:22 am

  4. bluestem says:

    I still like Kennedy’s “ask not what your country can do for you…” speech.Such a statement would never be reported on in this day and time due to the personal accountability it suggests. John

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    19th November 2013 at 9:23 am

  5. flash says:

    LOL.. +1….good call admin, but Stuck’s post about covers it. …no need to beat a dead tyrant.

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    19th November 2013 at 9:39 am

  6. Wyoming Paul says:

    The one nice thing I will say about Lincoln was that he wrote the speech himself. Today the president isn’t even capable of delivering a speech, let alone writing one.

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    19th November 2013 at 10:24 am

  7. flash says:

    Ask politely and you will not receive.Might makes right…And Lincoln knew this

    Our long night just may teach traditionalists the central truth about political power. It isn’t something that’s given, it’s something that’s taken. The socialist-progressives have always known that. They didn’t earn power over the courts and schools for instance, they took it. Affirmative action and other judicial activism, confiscatory taxes, bank bailouts, draconian gun laws, free everything for illegals, career welfare and all the rest came about by simply finding a way. Ways like deceit and pandering, election rigging, classroom indoctrination, politicized courts, allying with the treacherous and traitorous, unions and paid mobs to “take it to the streets”—when a way was needed, a way was found.
    Meanwhile we ask fair treatment from them; a favorable ruling here, permission to speak there, maybe even get a permit to assemble if we promise to behave. And we will behave. We always behave. After all, the system must be scrupulously respected while we restore Constitutional limits. We understand the system stands between us and anarchy, it’s sacred, it’s the rule of law. When confronted with insults and threats we turn the other cheek, we reach out to show them we’re good folks, not those crude and unruly bad people they conflate us with. Surely if we drop the unseemly hard talk and compromise in good faith an understanding can be reached.

    Pfft. Here’s where compromise and understanding gets us. Soon, some nice people from Diversity Enforcement will want a word with us about obstructing the President’s youth initiatives. Seems we’ve been keeping our kids home on Wilding Night, but don’t worry, the child neglect sanctions will be withdrawn in a historic compromise. And oh yes, an Estimated Carbon Footprint will be part of our taxes, but we’ll reach an understanding for those caught in the punitive Global Warming Denyer bracket, perhaps it’ll be cut in half in a hard-fought compromise. And about the Good Neighbor Home Sanctuary Act, yes, we’ll have to double up to make a bedroom available for transient illegals, but it’s not all bad, we get to use the car-pool lane. See? We all get something from understanding and compromising. It’s the genius of the American system.

    No it’s not. It’s time to stop. The time for accommodating is over. The system is rigged, confiscatory and self-serving. It no longer defends or even respects our rightful domains, it invades and diminishes them. Legitimate constitutional governance doesn’t meter out its consent to obedient subjects, it earns consent from a free people. And consent can be withdrawn or it isn’t consent. It’s time to demand full compliance with constitutional governance. We either believe this or we don’t. It’s time to find a way. It’s time to turn to the people, to speak plainly to the people and to trust in the people. No compromises. No “understandings”.

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    19th November 2013 at 10:26 am

  8. DaveL says:

    Two score and ten years later Congress created the Federal Reserve and Personal Income Taxes. Now we have NO government of the people, by the people and for the people

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    19th November 2013 at 11:17 am

  9. A. R. Wasem says:

    I’m with flash. My “consent” is no longer given. BC-LR to all.

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    19th November 2013 at 12:36 pm

  10. harry p. says:

    he was a master manipulator and politician (can’t think of a worse insult), atleast he wrote his own propaganda unlike the oreo in chief.
    lincoln should be a reminder to all the tyrants who assume power in the USSA, they are only one visit to the theater away from being double-tapped out of power.


    this is how it really happened, lincoln really was a dickhead

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    19th November 2013 at 1:02 pm

  11. Daniel Hitchens says:

    Lincoln was the worst president ever, including the present statist tyrant now usurping the office. Noted and unparalleled writer and sardonic curmudgeon H.L. Mencken said it best:

    “The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history…the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”
    Abolitionist Lysander Spooner ridiculed Lincoln’s absurd statement in the Address that he waged war for the principle of “a government of consent.” What Lincoln meant was “Everybody must consent, or be shot.” John Wilkes Booth was 4 years too late, he could have saved the lives of over 600,000 souls if he had uttered Sic Semper Tyrannis in April 1861 instead of April 1865.
    The Lincoln cultists are deluded by love of statism and blinded by historical revisionism and obfuscation. Read “The Real Lincoln” and “Lincoln Unmasked” by Prof. Thomas DiLorenzo to learn what a real tyrant Lincoln was and how he totally trashed the Constitution and destroyed the republic of the Founders. “Lincoln’s Marxists” is also an excellent book by Al Benson and Walter D. Kennedy. Deo Vindice.

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    19th November 2013 at 2:31 pm

  12. Zarathustra says:

    When I am Supreme Leader, I will convert the lincoln memorial into a museum of US war crimes.

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    19th November 2013 at 8:16 pm

  13. IraK, on the GREATNESS OF LINCOLN, says:

    Do you TBPers realize that if Lincoln hadn’t used force to keep the South from seceeding our America would be FUBAR. The economy of the North would have sputtered and chocked. Tariiffs, the 90% of the US income then, would have dried up. Trade with the South, who bought everything from pins to booms to locomotives, from the North, would have shrivelled due to the almost non-existent Southern tariff and the growth of Southern-European trade. The Northwest (then every land west of Ohio) probably would have split from the Union for trade and economic reasons.

    Lincoln held the Union together. Forget the killed, wounderd, and destruction… we long ago recovered from that. The Grand State, the American Empire, our world’s greatest Economy, the supremacy of the Dollar, our Exceptional lifestyle… Nothing like America ever was. We owe much of that to Lincoln, the president of the Great, Magnificent, and Powerful State. He’s our secular Christ.

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    19th November 2013 at 8:31 pm

  14. Zarathustra says:

    Irak, I love you. Seriously. You never fail to brighten my day.

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    19th November 2013 at 9:27 pm

  15. SSS says:

    Dipshits. All of you.

    Historically, Lincoln was handed a bag of shit that had been brewing since at least the 1780s. The Founding Fathers kicked the slavery can down the road. So did the 1st and subsequent congresses. Essentially, he had nothing, NOTHING, to do with the root causes of the Civil War.

    Read the fucking record. I do not deify Lincoln. Nor do I condemn him.

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    19th November 2013 at 11:26 pm

  16. llpoh says:

    SSS channels Shakespeare:

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury Lincoln, not to praise him.
    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Lincoln. The noble SSS
    Hath told you Lincoln was ambitious:
    If it were so, it was a grievous fault,

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    19th November 2013 at 11:30 pm

  17. Kill Bill says:

    This was certainly an entertaining thread of divergent views.

    I gather, or have had my historical dogma corrected, that…

    Lincoln was a Marxist Aristoi socialist Republican that saved the northern industrialists and money trusts of Wall street and forget those that died becauseof this short but highly rhetorical poetry uttered by a tyrannical Obama-esque for he saved big federalist government and the minions of the Buttonwood tree.

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    19th November 2013 at 5:54 am

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