Posted on 18th December 2013 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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Who has betrayed the trust of the American people? Edward Snowden or the NSA & Obama?

Who are the real traitors, treating the Constitution like toilet paper?

I’m glad there is one voice in Congress telling the truth and realizing the true enemy of the people.

Is it a surprise his last name is Paul?


Rand Paul Plots NSA Class-Action Lawsuit Options

The anti-surveillance senator has recruited ‘hundreds of thousands’ of plaintiffs

December 17, 2013

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., speaks with the news media after delivering a speech at the Detroit Economic Club on Dec. 6, 2013, in Detroit, Michigan.

After months of consideration, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is moving closer to filing a lawsuit in federal court against National Security Agency surveillance programs.

A senior Paul staffer says U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon’s Monday decision that NSA opponents have standing to sue over the bulk collection of phone records makes Paul “much more likely” to file his own lawsuit.

[READ: Judge Orders NSA to Stop Collecting Phone Records]

The senior staffer, who spoke with U.S. News on background, says hundreds of thousands of people volunteered online as possible plaintiffs after Paul first floated the idea of a class-action lawsuit in June.

The senator has not firmly decided to file suit and it’s still possible Paul will choose to instead assist with three already-filed lawsuits against the NSA.

If Paul does file a lawsuit it would be the fourth major legal attack against the NSA’s bulk collection and five-year storage of American phone records.

Lawsuits against the phone-record collection are already filed in federal court by the American Civil Liberties Union in New York, by conservative legal activist Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch in Washington, D.C., and by the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco.

Klayman won a major victory against the NSA on Monday, with Leon ruling the phone record program is likely a violation of the Fourth Amendment. Leon granted a preliminary injunction barring the collection, but stayed implementation pending appeal.

Unlike the possible Paul lawsuit, Klayman only sought a handful of original plaintiffs. He is seeking for the “class” he represents to be defined by Leon to include all Americans affected by the program, which purportedly helps scuttle terrorist plots – an accomplishment Leon disputed.

The senior Paul staffer stressed that Paul is currently evaluating strategy options. If a lawsuit is filed, it would likely be in either D.C. or Kentucky. It’s unclear which Paul-affiliated entity would file the challenge.

“As of now the senator is in the process of finding the best lawyer to file the [possible] suit [and] is still accepting more plaintiffs for the case,” Paul spokeswoman Eleanor May said.

[ALSO: Second Judge 'Skeptical' About Legal Case for NSA Surveillance]

The website of Paul’s political action committee, RANDPAC, currently has a pop-up advertisement that asks prospective plaintiffs to provide their name, email address and ZIP code. The ad says it seeks 10 million plaintiffs and asks for “a generous donation to help rally up to ten million Americans to support my lawsuit to stop Big Brother.”

Regardless of the legal approach selected, the senior staffer said Paul’s footwork to seek plaintiffs should help with possible standing issues, which have historically – although not in the initial Klayman case decision – derailed anti-surveillance lawsuits.

The pending EFF and ACLU lawsuits also do not have a large number of individuals named as plaintiffs. The EFF lawsuit is brought by a coalition of advocacy groups and the ACLU’s challenge is brought by the organization itself, as a customer of Verizon Business Network Services, the entity specified in an officially recognized court order leaked by Edward Snowden.

Although Judge Leon took a preliminary sledgehammer to the Justice Department’s legal argument and U.S. District Court Judge William Pauley of New York is also considering an injunction request from the ACLU, the Paul staffer stressed the legal fight may take a while to resolve and said the senator wouldn’t be too late to have a meaningful impact.

In the sweeping Monday victory for NSA critics, Leon ruled Klayman had standing to challenge the phone record collection, that his court had the authority to review Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court actions, that the landmark 1979 case Smith v. Maryland was ill-suited to justify the surveillance and that the program likely violates the Fourth Amendment.

[BROWSE: Editorial Cartoons on the NSA]

Leon described the collection as “almost-Orwellian” and said “the government does not cite a single instance in which analysis of the NSA’s bulk metadata collection actually stopped an imminent attack, or otherwise aided the government in achieving any objective that was time-sensitive.”

Paul, who has introduced legislation to ease standing issues and also to forbid indiscriminate collection of Americans’ records, applauded Leon’s decision Monday.

“I will continue to fight against the violations of Americans’ constitutional rights through illegal phone surveillance until it is stopped once and for all,” he said in a release.

In addition to considering a lawsuit against the phone record collection, Paul is also looking at legal options against NSA Internet programs. Klayman is currently suing to halt the PRISM Internet program, but Leon did not grant an injunction in that case.

  1. Golden Oxen says:

    Thank the Lord for the Paul family. They appear to be our only hope.

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    18th December 2013 at 2:12 pm

  2. ragman says:

    Fuck the fedgov! Now we have the rat-faced Podesta back on the scene. He is a domestic enemy and we should expect the Obongo admin to become exponentially more aggressive in their quest to take away our rights and freedom. Time to order another case of 7.62X51 while I still can.

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    18th December 2013 at 3:00 pm

  3. Iska Waran says:

    I guess they discovered a more complete version of the 4th amendment somewhere. It reads:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Except for metadata.

    Too bad Rand Paul can never be president on account of his prior opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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    18th December 2013 at 3:04 pm

  4. Stigmation says:

    I think this is much ado about nothing. Here is the problem. The US has been using Britain to collect this data for the past 20 years, thereby bypassing pesky “spying on US citizens” laws.

    Besides, they may say they will stop, but you know they won’t. They will just lie about it. Thats what pyscopaths do. The only way to stop them, is to demolish Ft Meade, Utah and all the other fusion centers. Bulldose them to the ground. Betcha you will never see that happen.

    We have a government by the pyscopath, for the pyscopath. In pyscopaths we trust.

    Welcome to Amerika, the new USSR.

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    18th December 2013 at 3:34 pm

  5. sensetti says:

    Iska Waran says:Too bad Rand Paul can never be president on account of his prior opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

    What you talkin bout Willis?

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    18th December 2013 at 4:47 pm

  6. flash says:

    sensetti, see here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/rand-paul-civil-rights-rachel-maddow_n_583292.html

    LCJ: “Would you have voted for the Civil Rights of 1964?”
    RP: I like the Civil Rights Act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains. I am all in favor of that.”
    LCJ: “But?”
    RP: [Laughs] “You had to ask me the “but”. I don’t like the idea of telling private business owners – I abhor racism; I think it’s a bad business decision to ever exclude anybody from your restaurant – but at the same time I do believe in private ownership.”

    Cutting back to Rachel in the studio, “That is Rand Paul, questioning the Civil Rights Act”.

    Another knife in the back of free market enterprise,freedom of association and in direct violation of the right to property clause..see 5th amendment.

    . Republicans then and now were right to oppose

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    18th December 2013 at 5:54 pm

  7. Sensetti says:

    Thanks flash,
    Whats your take will this hurt his chance?

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    18th December 2013 at 6:37 pm

  8. AWD says:

    How about a Paul/Snowden ticket?

    Obama needs to first be impeached, then tried for treason, as does Pelosi, Reid, Holder, and Hillary Clinton. What’s the fucking hold up here?

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    18th December 2013 at 7:10 pm

  9. Zarathustra says:

    Christie beats Hillary in the latest Iowa straw poll.

    How far am I from the GoP? I don’t particularly like or trust Rand, and Rand, despite kissing neocon ass, is unacceptable to the power elite. Rand will never be the GoP candidate for potus; Rand will never be president. It remains to be seen how long Rand will be a senator.

    Back to the GoP. Fuck it. The GoP is simply evil. I’d rather be skull fucked than registered as a republican.

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    18th December 2013 at 7:22 pm

  10. dirtscratcher says:

    On a previous thread regarding Rand, I posted a comment to the effect that, although I respected Rand, he was no Ron Paul and that he needed more time learning at the feet of his father who, after thirty years of honorable statesmanship, had some awfully big shoes to fill. I will enjoy eating my own words starting with this first bite. Hats off to Rand Paul.

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    18th December 2013 at 7:24 pm

  11. sensetti says:

    Zarathustra says: I’d rather be skull fucked than registered as a republican.

    Zeeeeeeeee Don’t you think that’s a rather extreme position? I would be willing to bet if you were actually being skullfucked, after three or four minutes you’d sign anything, that shit looks painful.


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    18th December 2013 at 9:13 pm

  12. sensetti says:

    Thanks for your response flash.

    I guess……I will join this free shit army bitch and vote Democrat at the Federal level. Can’t beat them, join them.


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    18th December 2013 at 8:08 am

  13. flash says:

    Sensetti one cannot feign higher ground while wallowing in a tepid swamp.

    Both the Democrat and Republican parties know that exposing Obama would reveal their dereliction of duty, their complicity in undermining the Constitution, and their continuous flouting of the rule of law. They know that the truth would topple the corrupt status quo and terminate their exclusive grip on political power, allowing the American people to regain control of their government.

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    18th December 2013 at 8:22 am

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    18th December 2013 at 11:46 am

  15. Sensetti says:

    Can one get a subsidy for growing weed or cooking whiskey?

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    18th December 2013 at 12:58 pm

  16. Wyoming Mike says:

    Kind of for Whisky, our County Commissioner Mike Baker, and #1 fed parasite supplies grain to our local whiskey producer.

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    18th December 2013 at 1:57 pm

  17. Wyoming Mike says:

    Sorry for the Dupe, damn wordpress!

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    18th December 2013 at 2:04 pm

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