NEW SURGE IN IRAQ

The neo-con numbskulls never give up. They have murdered thousands of American boys in their un-Constitutional invasions in the Middle East and efforts to rule the world. We’ve pissed away over $1.3 trillion on these worthless wars of choice in the last ten years. The true terrorists (Cheney, Wolfowitz, McCain, Bush, Rumsfeld, and now the drone murdering thug – Obama) failed in their Israel/Saudi Arabia propaganda effort to invade Syria. Israel and their captured politician hacks in Washington DC continue to push war with Iran.

You always hear about what a threat these countries are to us. What a fucking joke. Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran are absolutely no threat to the United States. They do not have the capability or interest in attacking America. On the other hand, 15 of the 19 men who attacked us on 9/11 were Saudi Arabians. Who is the real threat?

Everyone remembers moron Bush landing on the aircraft carrier and declaring Mission Accomplished. How’s that working out now. Prior to 2003 oil was $25 per barrel. Al Qaeda did not exist in Iraq. Hussein, our ally against Iran from 1979 until 1990, hated bin Laden and all of the religious Muslim zealots. Now Al Qaeda has taken over Fallujah and is gaining strength in Iraq. What a neo-con success story.

There was no terrorism or bombings in Iraq prior to 2003. Almost 9,000 Iraqis died in 2013 in bombings. The cowardly American public freaked out and cowered in their basements when a couple idiots used some cookware to kill three people in Boston. These same American idiots barely look up from their iGadgets when told that 9,000 Iraqis have been blown up for no good reason. Are their lives worth less than the 3 people killed in Boston? Maybe Neil Diamond can sing a song in Baghdad to sooth the pain of Iraqis.

I’m sure idiots like McCain and Cheney think we should go back into Iraq and fix it again. Neo-cons are the dumbest, most dangerous creatures on earth. Ron Paul was right in 2003 and he is right today.

Remember Fallujah? Shortly after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the US military fired on unarmed protestors, killing as many as 20 and wounding dozens. In retaliation, local Iraqis attacked a convoy of US military contractors, killing four. The US then launched a full attack on Fallujah to regain control, which left perhaps 700 Iraqis dead and the city virtually destroyed.According to press reports last weekend, Fallujah is now under the control of al-Qaeda affiliates. The Anbar province, where Fallujah is located, is under siege by al-Qaeda. During the 2007 “surge,” more than 1,000 US troops were killed “pacifying” the Anbar province.  Although al-Qaeda was not in Iraq before the US invasion, it is now conducting its own surge in Anbar.For Iraq, the US “liberation” is proving far worse than the authoritarianism of Saddam Hussein, and it keeps getting worse. Last year was Iraq’s deadliest in five years. In 2013, fighting and bomb blasts claimed the lives of 7,818 civilians and 1,050 members of the security forces. In December alone nearly a thousand people were killed.I remember sitting through many hearings in the House International Relations Committee praising the “surge,” which we were told secured a US victory in Iraq. They also praised the so-called “Awakening,” which was really an agreement by insurgents to stop fighting in exchange for US dollars. I always wondered what would happen when those dollars stopped coming.Where are the surge and awakening cheerleaders now?

One of them, Richard Perle, was interviewed last year on NPR and asked whether the Iraq invasion that he pushed was worth it. He replied:

I’ve got to say I think that is not a reasonable question. What we did at the time was done in the belief that it was necessary to protect this nation. You can’t a decade later go back and say, well, we shouldn’t have done that.

Many of us were saying all along that we shouldn’t have done that – before we did it. Unfortunately the Bush Administration took the advice of the neocons pushing for war and promising it would be a “cakewalk.” We continue to see the results of that terrible mistake, and it is only getting worse.

Last month the US shipped nearly a hundred air-to-ground missiles to the Iraqi air force to help combat the surging al-Qaeda. Ironically, the same al-Qaeda groups the US is helping the Iraqis combat are benefiting from the US covert and overt war to overthrow Assad next door in Syria. Why can’t the US government learn from its mistakes?

The neocons may be on the run from their earlier positions on Iraq, but that does not mean they have given up. They were the ones pushing for an attack on Syria this summer. Thankfully they were not successful. They are now making every effort to derail President Obama’s efforts to negotiate with the Iranians. Just last week William Kristol urged Israel to attack Iran with the hope we would then get involved. Neoconservative Senators from both parties recently introduced the Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2013, which would also bring us back on war-footing with Iran.

Next time the neocons tell us we must attack, just think “Iraq.”

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Llpoh
Llpoh
January 5, 2014 6:14 pm

The doctrine “the least of ours is better than the best of yours” is still firmly in place. Nothing will change that anytime soon.

AWD
AWD
January 5, 2014 6:37 pm

We’ve made every country we’ve had anything to do with infinitely worse in the Middle East. And if that isn’t bad enough, war criminal Obama is droning to death innocent children and wedding parties. I was watching “zero dark thirty” the other night. Just a reminder of how much cash we’ve wasted on pointless and destructive military adventures.

Bin Laden decided to attack the U.S. in earnest after Bush Sr. stationed troops in Saudi, and Bin Laden and his fighters were froze out. The rest is, as they say, history. Bin Laden said in one of his only interviews, before 9/11, that he was going to turn the U.S. into a shadow of it’s former self. He succeeded. The U.S. is now a bankrupt socialist welfare state. And Americans are the real victims, the NSA, turning conservatives and the Tea Party into terrorists. And all the scared soldiers, and all the dead from our undeclared wars. It’s disgraceful beyond reckoning. Nobody ever listened to Ron Paul. What a damn shame. We might not be suffering under the liberal progressive fascists and NeoCons if we’d have listened. It’s too late now.

sensetti
sensetti
January 5, 2014 7:35 pm

Admin says: Why should I give a flying fuck what Hussein did in his country?

I totally agree. If Saddam thinks the Kurds gotta go and they are inside the borders he controls that’s his business, stay the fuck out. The same argument holds true for the Israelis, if they think the Palestinians gotta go that’s their business, stay the fuck out of their way. If Israel decides to bomb Iran back to the stone age let them have at it, winner take all. Wars like elections have consequences.

sensetti
sensetti
January 5, 2014 7:46 pm

Admin You said There was no terrorism or bombings in Iraq prior to 2003 thats clearly wrong, Saddam terrorized his people. You can take my wiki numbers or not I don’t care. Bottom line is Saddam killed many people.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 5, 2014 7:57 pm

Sensetti, Saddam was a traditional, secular dictator. If you didn’t fuck with him, he didn’t fuck with you. The kurds violated that rule and paid the price. Your analogy with the Palestinians blows. They haven’t done anything wrong other than to be born on property that is coveted by foreigners.

sensetti
sensetti
January 5, 2014 8:36 pm

Admin says: It’s not terrorism.

Are you trying to tell me Saddam did not terrorize his people? Are you trying to convince me terrorism by an external force is different than State sponsored terrorism. I am a fucking redneck so don’t start using big words and throwing numbers at me, slow down.

sensetti
sensetti
January 5, 2014 8:49 pm

Sensetti has defeated the great Admin, this is truly a glorious day in TBP history. It will take him days to recover, he’s never been proved wrong before. The great ones always fall sooner or later.

sensetti
sensetti
January 5, 2014 8:57 pm

I am supporting Rand Paul myself. I hate that fat fuck Christie.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 5, 2014 8:58 pm

Ted Cruz! He’s ground zero Tea Party. What could go wrong?

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
January 5, 2014 10:28 pm

When the US was on the cusp of war against Saddam we kept hearing about him having killed 2-300,000 Iraqis. Even if you buy the theory that we should get involved militarily to stop genocide, it certainly mattered when Saddam did all of that killing. There was plenty of opining about the numbers Saddam killed, but little-to-no reporting of the details of when that killing took place. Made me assume it had been a long time earlier. Genocide in the ’80’s was an especially specious reason for a war that started in 2003.

IraK on Neo-cons and the new American Century
IraK on Neo-cons and the new American Century
January 5, 2014 10:47 pm

I can’t understand all this ranting against Neo-cons. Without Neo-con planning and action the United States would not be dominating the Middle East, encircling Russia, and keeping China bottled up. We might be speaking Farsi, Russian, or Mandarin instead. Without Neo-con machinations our banks would have failed years ago, our Living Constitution would be threatened, our military weakened, and the bastions of the State (the MSM, our responsive Congressmen, the courts, and the financial sector) less effective than they have been. Every day I give thanks for the opportunities 9/11 brought and for the Neo-cons who are making their Project for the New American Century come true. Some cost and collateral damage, that TBP readers bitch about, seem a small price to pay for all the good that the Neo-cons have brought us.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 5, 2014 10:54 pm

Stucky wonders how we lost to the rag heads……….

Here is the answer you seek Grasshopper!
I_S

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NickelthroweR
NickelthroweR
January 6, 2014 12:50 am

Greetings,

I’d love to chime in on this one. Saddam is blamed for “gassing the Kurds” like it was something he whimsically decided to do while eating a bowl of Fruit Loops. The Kurds were in open rebellion and Saddam decided to use chemical weapons that he had obtained from the Caryle Group (thanks Bush I). It may appear shocking to us that he, Saddam, may have killed as many as 10,000 of his own rebellious people until you put it in the perspective of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Tokyo, Agent Orange and Operation Phoenix. The United States can murder 10,000 people before most dictators can get their pants on in the morning.

The other big batch of dead Iraqis come from the closing days of the Iraq vs. USA Gulf War when George Bush I told the Iraqi people to rise up against Saddam. Saddam may have killed as many as 100,000 rebellious Shiites during that fiasco.

The United States, and specifically George Bush I, play a big role in both acts. Would either have happened if we had minded our own business.

Finally, I could give a crap about Kuwait. If one dictator wants to attack another dictator then I do not see how it is any of our business.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
January 6, 2014 1:16 am

NickelthoweR, it’s not any of our (USA) business but our owners (the central bankers) do consider it their business. The good ‘ol USA is just a front operation for the bankers. Sort of like the Canadian company set up by the CIA to “manufacture titanium cookware” as a backdoor way to buy titanium from the USSR during the cold war to build the A-12 (think SR-71) spy plane which was used to spy on the USSR.
I_S

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
January 6, 2014 5:30 am

Ron Paul – Next time the neocons tell us we must attack, just think “Iraq.” – or native Americans, the several states. Ron Reagan began the modern Imperialist movement and at the same time put us on the current trajectory of deficit spending. A false prosperity has existed since at least then, one to which the world economies gladly hitched their wagons. Now the west is in a financial crisis, hmm, wonder how this is going to end. World war comes to mind. Thanks Ronnie! Reagan, not Paul.

Zara, you hypocrite! What have the jews done except claim to be born on land coveted by others. You understand Muslims are trouble makers everywhere in world? Why is that?

flash
flash
January 6, 2014 6:41 am

If you don’t like America , you can just leave, they said..
No question about it… RES!

Peter King: “Rand Paul ‘Lies’ About NSA… Hates America… Doesn’t Deserve to Be in the United States Senate”
Description:

Appearing on Fox News Channel on Sunday, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) defended the National Security Agency from attacks on its intelligence gathering practices. He specifically said the charges made against the NSA by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) are “lies” and that he “doesn’t deserve to be a U.S. Senator.” “Rand Paul does not know what he’s talking about,” King said after being asked to respond to Paul’s comments about the NSA. “And, Rand Paul is really spreading fear among the American people.” Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/peter-king-rand-paul-lies-about-nsa-doesnt-de

sensetti
sensetti
January 6, 2014 7:43 am

Saddam had his own form of NSA, a secret police force, he had neighbor watching neighbor. You never knew who was watching you or who would turn you in for some minor or fabricated infraction.

I agree with all comments above the only point I was bringing forward was Saddam terrorized his own people. Did that justify an invasion, absolutely not.

Brutal dictators are the very thing needed to keep these people inline, unseating them destablizes the region. These rag heads only understand brute force, installing a police action was a joke, Bush was a dumbass thinking that would work.

Keep an eye on the Middle East, Iran is going to get hit this year.

efarmer
efarmer
January 6, 2014 8:45 am

It’s all about the oil. It’s all about the oil. It’s all about the oil.

BTW, It’s all about the oil.

EF

efarmer
efarmer
January 6, 2014 9:30 am

Admin,

Oh, it’s because we love Muslims. It’s because we love Muslims.

Fixed it.

EF

flash
flash
January 6, 2014 9:35 am

It was worth it, they said.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/01/04/iraq-army-battles-al-qaeda-linked-militants-to-regain-control-in-key-cities/
Al Qaeda-linked militants capture Fallujah during violent outbreak
Published January 04, 2014
FoxNews.com

After fighting in a bloody three-day war, Al Qaeda-affiliated militants captured the western city of Fallujah, and raised its flag over government buildings in the city previously secured by U.S. forces before withdrawing from the country two years later.

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Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 6, 2014 9:49 am

Nonanon says, “Zara, you hypocrite! What have the jews done except claim to be born on land coveted by others. You understand Muslims are trouble makers everywhere in world? Why is that?”

1) It isn’t about Jew and Muslim. It’s about European Colonists vs. Indigenous Inhabitants.

2) Muslims, outside of the Saudi-financed Salafist variety, are not trouble makers everywhere in the world. You only believe that because the media tells you to believe that.

Stucky
Stucky
January 6, 2014 10:54 am

“Muslims, outside of the Saudi-financed Salafist variety, are not trouble makers everywhere in the world.” ——— Zara

I share your disdain for Zionism.

I do share your love affair for Mooslims. 90% or more of all current conflicts, or conflicts in the last 20 years involve Mooslims. Here is but a partial list.

1. Afghanistan
2. Bosnia
3. Cote d’Ivoire
4. Cyprus
5. East Timor
6. Indonesia
7. Kashmir
8. Kosovo
9. Kurdistan
10. Macedonia
11. Middle East
12. Nigeria
13. Pakistan
14. Philippines
15. Russia, Chechnya
16. Serbia,
17. Sri Lanka
18. Sudan

I’ll bet you still believe Islam is a religion of peace.

Anonymous
Anonymous
January 6, 2014 12:17 pm

Clearly you guy have a case of penis envy.

The jews are naturally smarter….sorry buy its the truth.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/tiger-mom-some-groups-are-just-better-than-others/

Read it and weep. Just accept reality.

Sensetti
Sensetti
January 6, 2014 12:18 pm

I want to post Sensettis rules of engagement concerning all things War. Will have to be tonight, up to my neck in work. You wil want to make me King so stand by.

Scott
Scott
January 6, 2014 9:26 pm

In the 1990’s, the two principal Muslim groups, the Shia and Sunni, had their differences but lived side by side, even intermarried and regarded themselves with pride as Iraqis. There was no Al Qaida, there were no jihadists. We blew all that to bits in 2003 with ‘shock and awe’. And today Sunni and Shia are fighting each other right across the Middle East.

Scientific studies report that up to a million Iraqi men, women and children have died from the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq. That’s the equivalent of the genocide in Rwanda. And the carnage goes on. Relentlessly.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
January 6, 2014 9:41 pm

Stucky, I have no love affair with Islam, in fact the opposite is true. It is similar to Judaism in that it is replete with irrational rules of behavior that are inherently totalitarian. What I say is that educated muslims have the same desire as any others, which is to make the best of their lives and to be good parents to their kids; in other words, they are just average normal folks. I consider mormonism to be a bizarre religion too, but I have known quite a few mormons and they are the same.

biggyTmofo
biggyTmofo
January 6, 2014 10:41 pm

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

This was our interests in the 1980s to support Iraq against Iran. Now addition to the 1953 doesn’t supporting Hussein against Iran make us really persona non grata. Again I won’t repeat this but we haven’t we learned our lessons?? For Christ’s sake. Guys are dead and disabled because of lies. Families have lost sons, husbands and fathers. We have a large bill for this adventure. We have weakened ourselves and I think that Saudi Arabia and Israel provided the Dupes in Washington with false information to get rid of Hussein and invade Iraq. We have strengthened Iran beyond our dreams in that region as a result. Ron Paul was more right today and the media should have given him more time 12 years ago. He was ignored on purpose. Yes Dems have their hands on this too so they can’t Blame Bush with out losing credibility. Hillary I am talking to you!! John Kerry too.