LLPOH’s: No Good Deed Goes Unpunished

On a recent thread, there were several comments regarding company CEO’s that are compassionate toward their employees – by retaining more employees than the business requires, or retaining poor or inefficient employees, etc. Let me tell you for sure and certain, no good deed goes unpunished is the likely outcome of any compassionate act.

First, let me address the issue of keeping more employees than the business requires. I simply do not do this. I will not do this. And I believe no business should do this. It is prohibitively expensive. It costs me around $60,000 per year per employee. For every one I keep beyond requirements, it will cost me that amount PLUS it will cost me possibly that and more as a result of the overall slowdown that will occur throughout the organization. You see, people like to work a bit of overtime. Excess people means no overtime. No overtime means people’s wages are affected. People respond by slowing down sufficiently that they believe overtime will be provided to catch up. So if I keep excess employees, in a show of compassion, I will get screwed. NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED will absolutely apply.

However, I do try to retain/hire/employ people that are very often otherwise unemployable, especially in jobs such as I offer that do provide middle-class income and benefits. I try to fit them in and work around their limitations. In general, it costs me perhaps three or four dollars per hour per each of these folks. To put that in perspective, it costs me – and by me I mean me personally, out of my own wallet – between $6000 and $8000 per year per each employee of this type that I have. As you can imagine, I do not let the number of these employees get too high. Perhaps three or four are on the books, at the most, depending on economic circumstances. It is charity on my part, pure and simple, and I do it as a public service, as a means of giving to the community, and as I think it is the right thing to do. But here are some of the results of trying to do a good deed:

1) I get my other employees stomping into my office complaining that so and so does not pull their weight. Which is true. I cannot tell them the reason why those folks are employed, or immediately upon leaving my office the aggrieved would go to so and so and tell him/her “You are only employed because the boss thinks you are a charity case and you need help” or some such. That would be great. So I basically have to tell the aggrieved to mind their own business, to pay attention to their own work, etc. And thus I get a disgruntled employee because I try to do a charitable thing. And disgruntled employees cost me money. Add some more to the $6k or $8k I am already funding.

2) These marginal employees make inordinate amounts of mistakes – quality, tool damage, etc. Add a bit more to the cost of employing them.
These marginal employees tend to get worse the longer they are employed. Some of them are as cunning as junkyard rats. They innately know that they are poor performers, and yet they continue to be employed. So they become even worse performers in order to see how far they can push it. Not very far is the answer, but it costs me time, and money, to show them the error of their ways, and usually, the door.

3) On the other end of the scale, some of them come to think they are actually God’s gift to an employer. After all, they have a job, so they must be ok, right? We recently had a softening in sales, and I had to reduce workforce. In these situations I will not continue to employ these marginal employees – no way in hell will I employ a marginal while having to lay off a good employee. That is totally unfair to the good employee. So what happens when I lay off one of these marginal? They jump up and down, scream that I am treating them unfairly as they are good employees and that surely I have something against them, tell me I am obliged to keep them on as they will not be able to find other work, threaten to sue, etc. Contrast that to when I have to lay off a good employee: they almost always understand (they are lots brighter and understand economic circumstance), they are thankful for the opportunity they have and the promise make to call them back as soon as conditions improve, and they are gracious in the face of adversity.

Again, it goes to show NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED!

As I get older, it gets harder and harder to do the things that I believe in. I believe in these small acts of charity. I get no accolades or rewards for them – I do not care for those in any event. But I am sick and tired of being punished for doing what surely are good deeds. For my actions, not only do I pay a significant financial cost, but I pay an enormous personal cost. Each day I am less prepared to pay the price. At this point, I have advised managers that we will no longer employ substandard employees. Of course, I tend to relent when I see a sad case. But I believe it is far less likely that I will do so now. I am simply not as psychologically strong today as I was 10 years ago. The bastards have worn me down – the steady drip, drip, drip of water on the rock has had an effect over 35 years in manufacturing.

So, I say to those who believe that employers have an obligation to be compassionate and charitable, that there is much you do not understand unless you have been in the chair yourself, and have put up your own money, and have to deal with the problems that come along with trying to do the right thing. It is easy to tell business owners what they should do, but people need to realize that there are (almost) ALWAYS consequences for doing the right thing.
Make no mistake – NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. It may not always be true. But it is substantially true, especially when dealing with employees.

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John
John
January 14, 2014 5:45 pm

Great article – as someone who manages people I couldn’t agree more with your comments

Humor Police
Humor Police
January 14, 2014 6:24 pm

Archie & Llpoh,

If you have to force a joke to make it work, it means it is not funny.

Humor Police
Humor Police
January 14, 2014 6:36 pm

“I do not care what you say”

You cared enough to reply.

Scott
Scott
January 14, 2014 6:38 pm

Admin

I nominate Stucky to be TBP’s offical moderator. Lloph, I think Curious was just being curious.
Stucky, Baby it’s cold outside-Don’t let the door hit your ass. That’s Calamity’s cat!

El Coyote who is not bb
El Coyote who is not bb
January 14, 2014 9:11 pm

Billy says:

“I hate Grammar Spelling Nazis…”

stupid comments, bad grammar and bad spelling will get you a session behind the woodshed.
those things are so basic that stucky didn’t bother to mention them in his list defining this encampment of established norms as clammy/i am curious(yellow) calls TBP.

El Coyote who is not bb
El Coyote who is not bb
January 14, 2014 9:24 pm

IndenturedServant says:

“Billy says:

I hate Grammar Spelling Nazis…”

I forgot to add, I hate comments that start with, “I hate” or, “it really pisses me off”. Shit like that reminds me of the pea brains in the barracks, you know what I mean? Any comment that starts that way is not going to be very edifying. It is simply a dressing down that you don’t deserve but you get to listen to it.

Bill
Bill
January 15, 2014 4:03 am

now after all this throw in an effin union if you really want to see some useless milkers

Double
Double
January 15, 2014 7:19 am

Ah I had forgotten about our little conversation. It is good to see the circle jerk continues unabated. All your butts must be sore from all the slappin’ and such. I am sure you all feel good and strong having talked down the interlopers into your “circle of truth”

You know, your no better than the liberals you profess to hate some much. Answers to our problems cannot be found with either of the current two solutions, because they do not serve the needs of the vast majority of people.

I suppose you all feel that the limits to profit for a man should be unending. That a person who runs a company, or a corporation has no responsibility to the community they serve, or their employees.

Slave owners felt the same way too. What is a man’s time worth, or effort? Its just a matter of perceived value. Does the labor and effort of a average CEO really translate to 1000 times the average employee?

If that is what you truly believe then the answer to the problems that plague this nation will always evade you. But hey, you always have you insults to throw around.

Continue your shit throwing and I’ll check back after awhile…

Also what a sad name for an article “No good deed goes unpunished” It says a whole lot about the soul of a person who wrote it. It is fortunate than many people do not share in that assessment of their fellow man.

Peace

Double
Double
January 15, 2014 7:21 am

Interesting how it would not let me post as Doubletime….

Double
Double
January 15, 2014 7:31 am

Oh I see, anonymity is ok, as long as you push the party line. Your handlers at the NSA would be proud.

How hypocritical can you be? To tout the work of Edward Snowden and Anonymous as being champions of privacy rights only to have deleted my posts because you realized my IP is changing, as I wish to protect MY privacy.

My God. The stench of hypocrisy is overpowering…. LMFAO In the end we all comply. That is why nothing changes.

Administrator
Administrator
Admin
  Double
January 15, 2014 7:57 am

Looks like Double Idiot is a paranoid idiot too.

No one deleted anything you moron. If you can’t figure out how to post a comment, it really gives us confidence in the blather you continue to dump on this thread.

You haven’t made a cogent point yet. Keep trying you blithering idiot.

Double
Double
January 15, 2014 7:41 am

Here is a useful link. I am absolutely sure the NSA will help out in your search to crush anonymity on this site. After all, like this site, they hate privacy and the 4th amendment. as well.

How the NSA Attacks Tor/Firefox Users With QUANTUM and FOXACID

A tip,

You’ll have to download the Tor relays and put them in you IP filtering software. Of course they change hourly, as anyone can be a Tor relay, so it is somewhat labor intensive for the average guy to do, but it can be done.

Unless you have access to the unlimited funding of the NSA… That is a lot of paypal clicks….

Llpoh
Llpoh
January 15, 2014 4:18 pm

Damn, that was funny. Doubletime is as stupid as clammy, even if it is not her.

jmarz
jmarz
January 15, 2014 9:47 pm

Llpoh

Thanks for sharing some wisdom. If you don’t mind sharing your staff hiring process, I’d love to hear your insight on hiring and what you do to reduce the risk of bad hires.

llpoh
llpoh
January 15, 2014 10:12 pm

Jmarz – I hire 4 or 5 to get one keeper. If the person says they are willing to work, I tend to give them the chance. Unfortunately, folks lie a lot.

Wish I had some bit of magic to offer you, but the reality is I have not found a single thing that improves the strike rate – not calling for references, not checking credentials, etc. Nothing I do seems to help. So I just play the numbers game – if I need ten, I know I will need to hire forty. I tend to hire perhaps 4 per week if I am hiring – that allows me to evaluate them closely, and not overwhelm the plant by putting too many inexperienced folks to work at once. So it takes me ten weeks to hire ten folks worth keeping.

Jmarz – where have you been? I truly miss young folks like yourself. How is it going for you? Hope to see you around more.

jmarz
jmarz
January 16, 2014 9:39 am

Llpoh

Thanks for the insight. I’m currently structuring a hiring system for our company that will focus on hiring for attitude. The system will hopefully reduce the risk of bad hires and bring people on board that align with the company’s values and behaviors. Basically, with staff employees, I’d like us to conduct a behavior assessment prior to their first interview to gain insight on good questions to ask. Then I’m thinking a 3 stage interview process where they meet with 2 different people at each stage. Person has to make it past each stage to get hired. This way everyone is on board with it and hopefully this will reduce risk of hiring the wrong person.

What do you think?

Anyway, l’m doing great. I have a baby girl on the way this summer. Will be our first. I browse on here from time to time. The past 6 months I’ve really focused on improving my time management and productivity which is why I don’t post on here much anymore. I’m trying to focus on spending my time on my family and then business. Preparing for the life change coming when the baby gets here. Lol. I want to be able to still pursue my passion for succeeding in biz while being there with the family as much as possible..

In work, I’ve been doing really well. As you know, I plan on starting a biz one day. Set my deadline for Jan. 2017. In the mean time, I’m trying to learn as much as I can and make as much money as possible and when the time is right, I will take the leap. I’ve been with my company 3 years now and closed the biggest deal they’ve ever seen. It is requiring us to set up a new building and purchase millions in capital equipment. Still can’t believe it. Worked on the project for 1.5 years. We won’t be in production til end of this year due to lead times of equipment. Ownership also just created a management team that will meet quarterly to discuss big issues and strategic long term planning. I was lucky to be invited on the team of 6 since I’m the youngest and most inexperienced. We have a nice age range from 27 to 58. At the very least, this will hopefully only better prepare me when I leave and start my own thing.