The American people don’t want war. The Iranians don’t want war. Nobody wants war, except the Israelis, and the treasonous American Israel-firsters, Fundy Christian nutballs and evil NeoCon scum. At this very moment they are bribing their way to a veto-proof majority over their sanctions bill. Every GOP senator is on board except two (Rand Paul is dithering but for now he is one of them). The Democrats are for the most part holding back (for now) but even from them there is silence rather than support for their President. Obama stands virtually alone.
From an Iranian standpoint, if this bill passes, the interim agreement is dead. The Americans will have proven to be an untrustworthy negotiating partner. What nobody is telling you, for obvious reasons, is that there is no need for another stick aimed at the Persians. The world will know everything they are doing for the next six months. If they were to make the smallest move towards initiating a weapons program, all deals would be off, they are would be an international pariah; the neocons would be held prescient in the eyes of the world. It is the other hand that Netanyahu (and the Saudis) are terrified about…that the Iranians would keep their end of the bargain leading to a permanent agreement, the lifting of sanctions and the beginning of the normalization of Iranian relations members of the US empire. Peace. Then Netanyahu, Kristol and the rest would be expose as the evil, lying bastards they are and attention would suddenly focus on the injustices inflicted upon the Palestianians by these criminals.
This can not stand, therefore we must have war. It won’t be our war, but rather Israel’s and Saudi Arabia’s. Will China and Russia sit on the sidelines as we initiate an unneccessary, illegal and immoral war on a peaceful country with which they conduct billions of dollars in business?
Of course the effect on a fragile, hydrocarbon fueled economy will be disastrous regardless. There is an option. We can agree that Israel and Saudi Arabia are simply too evil and dangerous to allow to exist and wipe them from the face of the earth. That would be a war worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.
A Blank Check For War on Iran
By Patrick J. Buchanan
As we approach the centennial of World War I, we will read much of the blunders that produced that tragedy of Western civilization.
Among them will be the “blank check” Kaiser Wilhelm II gave to Vienna after the assassination by a Serb terrorist of the Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand.
If you decide to punish the Serbs, said the Kaiser, we are with you.
After dithering for weeks, Austria shelled Belgrade. Within a week, Germany and Austria were at war with Russia, France and Great Britain.
Today the Senate is about to vote Israel a virtual blank check — for war on Iran. Reads Senate bill S.1881:
If Israel is “compelled to take military action in legitimate self-defense against Iran’s nuclear weapons program,” the United States “should stand with Israel and provide … diplomatic, military and economic support to the Government of Israel in the defense of its territory, people and existence.”
Inserted in that call for U.S. military action to support an Israeli strike on Iran, S.1881 says that, in doing so, we should follow our laws and constitutional procedures.
Nevertheless, this bill virtually hands over the decision on war to Bibi Netanyahu who is on record saying: “This is 1938. Iran is Germany.”
Is this the man we want deciding whether America fights her fifth war in a generation in the Mideast? Do we really want to outsource the decision on war in the Persian Gulf, the gas station of the world, to a Likud regime whose leaders routinely compare Iran to Nazi Germany?
The bill repeatedly asserts that Iran has a “nuclear weapons program.”
Yet in both 2007 and 2011, U.S. intelligence declared “with high confidence” that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program.
Where is the Senate’s evidence for its claim? Why has Director of National Intelligence James Clapper not been called to testify as to whether Tehran has made the decision to go for a bomb?
Why are the American people being kept in the dark?
Are we being as misled, deceived and lied to about Iran’s “weapons of mass destruction,” as we were about Iraq’s?
The bill says that in a final deal Iran must give up all enrichment of uranium. However, we have already been put on notice by President Hassan Rouhani that this is an ultimatum Iran cannot accept.
Even the reformers of Iran’s Green Revolution of 2009 back their country’s right to a peaceful nuclear program including enrichment.
Senate bill S.1881 imposes new sanctions if Iran fails to live up to the interim agreement or fails to come to a final agreement in six months.
Yet the Senate knows that Iran has warned that if new sanctions are voted during negotiations, they will walk away from the table.
Why is the Senate risking, or even inviting, a blowup in these talks?
When the interim agreement was reached, it was denounced by neocons as “worse than Munich.” Now the War Party piously contends this Senate bill is simply an “insurance policy” to ensure that the terms of the deal are met and a final deal reached.
It is nothing of the sort. This bill is a project of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, designed to sabotage and scuttle the Geneva talks by telling Tehran: Either capitulate and dismantle all your enrichment facilities, or face more severe sanctions which will put us on the road to war.
What terrifies AIPAC and Bibi is not an American war on Iran, but an American rapprochement with Iran.
Who are the leaders of the push for S.1881? Sens. Mark Kirk and Robert Menendez, the biggest recipients of AIPAC campaign cash.
Last weekend, the Obama National Security Council finally belled the cat with a blunt statement by spokesperson Bernadette Meehan:
“If certain members of Congress want the United States to take military action [against Iran], they should be up front with the American public and say so.”
Exactly. For whether or not all these senators understand what they are doing, this is where their bill points — to a scuttling of the Geneva talks and a return to the sanctions road, at the end of which lies a U.S. war with Iran.
A majority of Democratic senators have thus far bravely bucked AIPAC and declined to co-sponsor S.1881. However, all but two Republican senators have signed on.
If, after Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, the GOP has once again caught the war fever, the party should be quarantined from the White House for another four years.
Press Secretary Jay Carney says that if S.1881 passes, Obama will veto it. The president should tell Congress that not only will he veto it, but that if Israel decides on its own to attack Iran, Israel will be on its own in the subsequent war.
Obama should order U.S. intelligence to tell us the truth.
Is Iran truly hell-bent on acquiring a nuclear bomb? Does Iran have a nuclear bomb program? If so, when did Tehran make that decision?
Or are we being lied into war again?
The Iranians don’t want war. Nobody wants war, except the Israelis, and the treasonous American Israel-firsters, Fundy Christian nutballs and evil NeoCon scum.-Z
It is a odd relationship. The fundies want war beause many are like rev. Hagee and want Jews to be exterminated [Dispensationalists] so Jesus will return while many Jewish never thought of Jesus as the King of the Jews but want war to protect their people.
i suppose Hagee, for one, then serves a useful purpose for Israel, though he is doing it for quite another reason. But they are friends.
Bizarro.
KB, the same is true with the bizarre alliance between the right wing fascists in Israel and the House of Saud. Both are terrified of the rise of Iran (again) and want the US to grind it into poverty and submission – sort of like Iraq, but on a vastly larger scale. Unlike the Israelis and Saudis, the Iranians know that they don’t need or want war to accomplish their goals, all they have to do is become a “normal” country again in the eyes of the world and the rest will take care of itself.
If only people would stop fucking with each other
*sigh*
Israel and Saudi can’t defeat Iran, and neither can the U.S. It’d be a slaughterhouse. The U.S. has no business and no dog in this fight. But the Jews run everything in this country. We’re their debt slaves, and without the Jewish owned and operated Federal Reserve, the criminals in Washington couldn’t borrow and piss away $1 trillion a year.
So, all will bend to Israel’s will, or face the wrath of the Jewish banksters, who hold a golden sword over everyone’s head as they have the power and ability to crash our stock market and economy in a few milliseconds. But, thankfully for all, Obama, Kerry, and Clinton are such incompetent fucking idiots that there’s no way they will ever have put forth a cohesive plan of action. Their incompetence and stupidity continue to confound Israel and Saudi. Well, so be it, maybe they are good for something (avoiding a pointless war).
Therre is a lot of commentary out there about Iran sponsoring terrorism. Even if a small amount of it is true, it would seem to contradict the statement that the Iranians do not want war. Quite the contrary. And it is well known that Iran suppports/sponsors that peace-loving group Hezbollah.
Please, Iran is no angel. Neither is Israel. But Iran surely does poke Israel every time it thinks it can get away with it. Israel pokes back. Who started the poking? I do not care. Let them sort it out themselves.
The Kaiser always felt bad about his decision that help start World War 1…Objective guilt is a bitch.
Llpoh, Hezbollah is peace loving in a sense…It is they who have prevented Israeli invasion and annexion of southern Lebanon and it is they who are currently fighting our real enemies in Syria. As for Iran, I have never said they are anything but what they are but as for sponsoring terrorism outside of their borders, they are insignificant compared to what the US and Israelis and Saudis have done and continue to do. The truth is that Iran recently has been perhaps the largest victim of terrorism in the world, much of it sponsored or encouraged by us, and our “allies.”
Peace loving until they find out you’re not a Muslim.Then they cut your head off.
“Hezbollah is peace loving”
Gimme a break.
Some Hezbollah peacekeepers
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The results of some of their peaceful work
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Peace loving until they find out you’re not a Muslim.Then they cut your head off. -bb
All it takes is a difference of opinion for people to let their emotions get the better of them and do something they will regret.
bb, the car you drive sucks, only a fucking moron would drive such a POS. Also your wife is fat and ugly, besides being your sister, and your kids are like those horse toothed big eared brits.
Are you going to shoot me bb or are you going to realize what i just posted does not matter?
New Evangelical Movement Seeks Split From Pro-Israel Line
Dissent within the fold. “This message is resonating with the rising generation,” says Brog.
posted on January 14, 2014 at 12:18pm EST
McKay Coppins
WASHINGTON — Figures with deep roots in America’s religious right have launched a quiet effort aimed at pushing evangelical Christians away from decades of growing loyalty to Israel and toward increased solidarity with the Palestinians.
The campaign by a coalition of religious leaders, international nonprofits, and activists has taken place in recent years largely behind the scenes and away from the prying eyes of the political press — and it’s being driven by a generation of Evangelicals alienated by the way their faith was yoked to Republican foreign policy during the Bush years. Now, organizations like the Telos Group and the large Christian nonprofit World Vision have joined a small army of ministers and Christian opinion-makers working to reorient Evangelicals’ stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — producing documentaries about the plight of Palestinian Christians, providing theological rationale for a more “balanced” view of the issue, and taking Evangelicals on trips to the Middle East.
The goal is to soften the bulletproof political alliance between American Evangelicals and Israel — forged over decades of successful courtship by Israeli governments and pro-Israel forces in the U.S. — and to make room on the religious right for Palestinian sympathies. If the movement is successful, it would represent a move toward mainline, politically liberal Christian denominations that have long been aligned with the Palestinian cause. The Presbyterian Church USA, for instance, briefly adopted a policy of divesting from some companies doing business in Israel.
The campaign has alarmed America’s most committed Christian supporters of Israel, who acknowledge their rivals’ message is gaining momentum within the church.
“This effort is being led by Palestinian Christians who, while not always Evangelicals, are quite adept at using evangelical language and imagery in their effort to blame Israel and Israel alone for Palestinian suffering,” said David Brog, executive director of Christians United For Israel, a key group in rallying American Christians to the Jewish state. “The movement has gotten louder because they have more money to spend. So we’re seeing more anti-Israel Christian films, speakers, and conferences. It’s very much grasstops, not grassroots.”
Brog said his rivals’ fledgling success should push Zionists to engage more actively in the evangelical debate over Israel.
“We’re also seeing some signs that this message is resonating with the rising generation of Evangelicals — the millennial Evangelicals,” Brog added. “So we can’t afford to wait. We must speak out and correct the record before more of our young people are led astray.”
One of the evangelical leaders calling for a more “nuanced” view of the conflict is Todd Deatherage, who spent five years in the Bush State Department before co-founding the Telos Group to expose Evangelicals to the complexities of the issue. He said their purpose is not to persuade Christians to turn against Israel, but rather “to affirm and support the dignity of all the people of the Holy Land, to be truly pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian at the same time.”
To achieve this, his group organizes about 15 trips to Israel every year, where American participants — mostly Evangelicals determined to be open-minded and influential in their respective communities — meet with peace activists, victims of violence on both sides of the conflict, and members of the Bethlehem Bible College, which trains Arab Christian pastors. The objective, Deatherage says, is to “change the conversation” among conservative Christians in the U.S.
“We want people to go on these trips and then go back and change others’ minds by talking about their own experience, taking the things they’ve learned and using them to help others understand what it means to be global citizens,” he said.
Lynne Hybels, an evangelical writer and minister heavily engaged in what she calls the “pro-peace” movement in Israel, was even more blunt about their intentions. She said they hope to “build a political constituency that supports peace and supports policymakers with the courage and commitment to work for peace.” As Hybels sees it, that means occasionally standing up for Palestinians — and not allowing Christian critics to get away with accusing them of “abandoning God’s chosen people.”
There has always been a small vocal minority of American evangelical provocateurs who rail against modern-day Israel at progressive political rallies and in the pages of Sojourners magazine. But the current campaign is attracting attention in large part because its leaders boast the kind of conservative Christian credentials even Mike Huckabee could appreciate.
For example, a 2010 documentary questioning the wisdom of Evangelicals’ unwavering commitment to Israel was endorsed by a top official at World Vision, one of the largest Christian humanitarian organizations in the world. The film has since been screened several times at World Vision events, and it received a favorable review in America’s leading evangelical magazine, Christianity Today, which declared, “Christian Zionism is officially on notice.”
Meanwhile, Gabe Lyons — a young evangelical organizer and graduate of Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University — has put on series of Christian conferences aimed, in part, at promoting an “open, honest discussion” on the Middle East conflict. Like many of his peers, he believes the evangelical conversation on this topic has been hijacked by political activists — and he wants to reclaim it.
“The evangelical community has only heard one narrative on this issue. Part of the responsibility we have is to make sure they hear the rest of it,” said Lyons, who believes he’s witnessing a shift in opinion among “younger Evangelicals who are just getting full exposure to what’s really happening in the region.”
The foreign policy of the conservative Christian movement has long been defined by a fervent, often biblically inspired, devotion to Israel, with top Republican leaders frequently citing their faith as a driving force in their commitment to protecting the “Promised Land.” This dynamic was most visible during the presidency of George W. Bush, a political icon of Christian conservatism who often framed his agenda for the Middle East — which included an unwavering alliance with Israel — in terms of divine destiny. In the 2012 Republican primaries, Texas Gov. Rick Perry declared, “As a Christian, I have a clear directive to support Israel.”
The case for Israel in American politics is hardly based solely on faith. Evangelicals, like other Americans, hear arguments about Israel’s place as a free-market democracy in a region that’s broadly hostile to American interests. But for many believers, the widespread evangelical view that modern-day Israel represents the fulfillment of God’s covenant with the Jewish people is rooted in the “dispensationalist” theories of 19th-century theologian John Nelson Darby. The idea was popularized among U.S. Christians over several decades, with books like the 1970 best-seller The Late Great Planet Earth — a sort of end-times catalog of world events that supposedly proved Armageddon was only a decade away — and the massively popular Left Behind series. For the vast majority of conservative Evangelicals, it has become an article of faith that Israel deserves the absolute support of America’s diplomatic efforts and military might.
If Evangelicals’ minds are beginning to change — as advocates on both sides of the church’s Israel divide contend — the trend has yet to be borne out in public polling. A Pew survey last year found that a staggering 82% of white Evangelicals believe God gave Israel to the Jewish people — more than twice the proportion of American Jews, and up 10 points from a similar poll in 2005.
Still, Deatherage says Evangelicals don’t need to abandon their theological beliefs about Israel in order to feel Christian sympathy for the suffering of the Palestinians. In fact, Deatherage said the most eye-opening experience for many of the people he takes on Telos trips is interacting with the Palestinian Christian community.
“The fact is that there is a church on the ground,” Deatherage said. “We imagine this conflict to be between Jews and Muslims, and so when people see that there are Christians there, and even Palestinian Evangelicals, they didn’t know that. I mean, there’s a Bible college in Bethlehem, where people talk about their faith the very same way they do, they read the same books, many of them studied in the same universities in the U.S.”
And as several advocates pointed out, even a minor retreat from the religious right’s current hard-line position on Israel would give Republicans substantially more flexibility in their foreign policy. Already, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul — whose frequent dustups with Israel hawks in his party have been well-documented — is emerging as a legitimate contender for the 2016 GOP nomination. What’s more, Rex Elsass, a Paul adviser with close ties to the conservative Christian movement, said the senator has managed make inroads with conservative Christian voters despite his mixed record on Israel.
“I love Israel. It’s a place I have a lot of passion for, and a lot of interest in personally,” said Elsass, who is making his third trip to the Holy Land, with Huckabee, later this year. “But obviously, Palestinian Christians need to be treated with respect, and their rights need to be respected… We always prefer that the weapons of war be beaten into ploughshares. And that is certainly something the Judeo-Christian faith is ultimately called to.”
Obama makes no decisions…
toward the end of his first term, a DC insider wrote an article about how Emanuel
slapped hin around like a puppy dog for offering a wrong response to a reporter…
Obama’s signature is Obama, there is no other Obama…
he was chosen only for his hate of America and loyalty to the black
hole of imorality that spawned him… they needed to be sure another JFK
double cross didn’t occur … they chose wisely.
And what’s up with the Jews on the Federal Reserve: Chair, Yellen; Vice-Chair, Stanley Fischer; past Chairs, Bernanke and Greenspan? Is anyone else even considered? Curious.
WASHINGTON — Figures with deep roots in America’s religious right have launched a quiet effort aimed at pushing evangelical Christians away from decades of growing loyalty to Israel and toward increased solidarity with the Palestinians. -Avesta
Will not back either movement, personnaly.
Its the same just re-arranged.
Jews have lived in peace in Iran for thousands of years, they still do. A good friend of mine from college is a Jew of Iranian extraction, and he is currently very upset at the prospect of his conservative religious Jewish relatives in Iran (who’s ancestors have been living in Iran since the time of Daniel) being bombed to smithereens by a modern coalition of European Atheist Zionists from Israel and non Semetic Christian Americans. It’s frankly unbelievable.
Many of the most profound religious leaders of Judaism are/were anti-Zionists. Yitzhak Kaduri was one of the most renowned Kabbalist rabbis in the world – born in 1902 in Baghdad, Iraq and moved to Palestine in 1923 (PRE holocaust), “upon the advice of the elders of Baghdad, who hoped that his scholarship and piety would stop the incursion of Zionism in the post-World War I state.” The original anti-Zionists were the most pious religious leaders of Judaism, because Zionism is a blatant secular heresy and is counter to the actual Jewish faith. Zionists began plotting to take over Palestine and begin genocide and extermination of native semetic Muslims many decades BEFORE Hitler even came to power, let alone the creation of Israel as a modern nation “as a response to the holocaust” (bullshit). Religious Jews and religious Muslims throughout MENA and Western Asia lived side by side and got along no worse than Protestants and Catholics historically have in Europe. Zionism ruined everything, and now there is going to be a WWIII completely against the will of the majority of earth’s population, and based solely on the desires of a small group of insane Zionist megalomaniacs who run Israel and our American ZOG.
It is good to see not so much crazy talk of “anti-semitism” on TBP every time someone is anti-Israel. I think that is evidence that Zara has done a really good job here countering pervasive Zionist media propaganda with simple (non PC) truths.
And what’s up with the Jews on the Federal Reserve: Chair, Yellen; Vice-Chair, Stanley Fischer; past Chairs, Bernanke and Greenspan? Is anyone else even considered? Curious. -be
Do you think this is religiously motivated or financially motivated?
It is good to see not so much crazy talk of “anti-semitism” on TBP every time someone is anti-Israel -SAH
I cannot understand why I should be against any form of belief, until it harms another.
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Yes, SAH, Orthodox Judaism, rejects zionism, for its one where heaven on earth can only be made by consistent revolution and warfare.
A utopia born of bombs.
Kill Bill are you on drugs?What in hell is wrong with you?…SAH,you are in your own little fantasy land.We are talking about the middle east as it is right now.The Jews and the Iranians hate each other.I guess those threats of wiping nations off the face of the earth mean nothing.
Kill Bill are you on drugs?What in hell is wrong with you? -bb
You want me to support some self-fulfilling prophecy?
No can do.
.I guess those threats of wiping nations off the face of the earth mean nothing.-bb
by this you mean Israel, Caaan, Mesopotamia, Asheroth,….?
The sons, tribes of noah, shem, japeth and ham?
You want to kill them bb?
Be careful bb for the things you suggest omits you.
Listen closely to the zionist themes and you get a glimpse of just how truly evil and ugly they are. They are patient and insert nonchalantly the most egregious lies into their (our) narratives in the same manner that rape plants a seed into an exploited woman. One is that Iranians (persians) have an historic and existential hatred of Jews. Evidence of this meme was on display over a year ago when Glenn Beck, still on Fox, devoted an hour of his program to informing the audience of the “real” nature of the Persians…that “Iran” means Aryan and of their ties to Hitler’s Germany. More is from another that Netanyahu has been hectoring diplomats with, the biblical story from the book of Esther and the conspiracy of Haman to exterminate the Jews as proof of their historical enmity with Jews. Of course he leaves out the part where the Persian king, once informed, executes Haman.
Netanyahu and his minions leave out a lot. They leave out that Iran, The Land of the Aryans, is the name proclaimed for that country by none other than Cyrus the Great. This is the same Achmanaeid king of Persia who not only liberated the Jews from captivity in Babylon, but commissioned the rebuilding of their temple in Jerusalem and repatriated all of the stolen artifacts to it, as is described in the Old Testament in Chronicles II. This work wasn’t finished during his lifetime but later, under Darius.
If you read the Old Testament you encounter many enemies of Israel and how they were punished. After Chronicles, Israel fell under Persian rule and from that point forward, there isn’t an iota of criticism of the Land of the Aryans in the entire thing, nor much mention of it.
Iran is not a land of anti-semites; It is the location of Daniel’s elaborate tomb. It’s a land where its beloved medieval poets of love are revered. Their tombs are shines where people go to this day to sit and recite favorite verses. It is a land where today, Jews have more proportional representation in parliament than Iranians do, by order of Ayatollah Khomeini. It is a land where Iranian Jews say, “I am an Iranian first and a Jew second.”
Iran is not free. The Islamic revolution installed a government based on Islamic values, not liberty, but it is not our enemy and there are many millions of young, educated Iranians who would like nothing better than to be our friends. We need to reciprocate. Not only would it be the best thing for them and their country, but it would be the best for us. There is so much that we could learn from each other, all we have to do is remove the obstacles.
Zarathustra says:
Listen closely to the zionist themes and you get a glimpse of just how truly evil and ugly they are. They are patient and insert nonchalantly the most egregious lies into their (our) narratives in the same manner that rape plants a seed into an exploited woman. One is that Iranians (persians) have an historic and existential hatred of Jews. Evidence of this meme was on display over a year ago when Glenn Beck, still on Fox, devoted an hour of his program to informing the audience of the “real” nature of the Persians…that “Iran” means Aryan and of their ties to Hitler’s Germany. More is from another that Netanyahu has been hectoring diplomats with, the biblical story from the book of Esther and the conspiracy of Haman to exterminate the Jews as proof of their historical enmity with Jews. Of course he leaves out the part where the Persian king, once informed, executes Haman. -Avesta
Calm minds.
Z we are of this earth. All things aside.
You just KNEW I was gonna weigh in here..
From a non-religious point of view, this ain’t our fight.
For me, it just doesn’t make a lick of sense.
Jews abandon the Holy Land 2000 years ago. Over the course of time, from then till now, they managed to get themselves tossed out of every nation in Europe and were even banned from entering the newly-formed United States.
They’ve been pushing for an all-Jewish state since before the First World War. They got their wish in 1948 when the Brits took pity on them (leveraged by them? see: Red Shield) and kicked the Palestinians to the curb. Which immediately pissed off everyone in the Middle East. The Jews, not content with their new status, started blowing shit up and killing Brits, culminating with the King David hotel bombing that killed over 90 men, women and children, mostly Brits. Menachem Begin, a Russian-born Zionist Jew and founder of Likud, was in charge of that little event, and they ended up hanging a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE on him… fffuuuuu.
Meanwhile, the US has rained down over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS in treasure, logistics, armaments, weapons systems, technical support, etc, on Israel and if you believe the coconut telegraph, gave them 300 nuclear warheads to play with. Obviously, this has not ingratiated us with the other occupants of the Middle East.
MEANWHILE, back in the US, AIPAC which is the smallest, but the best funded, of all the lobbying groups in Mordor, enjoys influence way, way outside of its small size even despite the fact that Jews make up roughly 2% of the American population – a number hardly worth recognizing.
MEANWHILE, Jews have wormed themselves into positions of power in the US Government – Supreme Court Justices, Senators and Congress critters, head of The Fed, cabinet positions, etc.. out of all proportion with their percentage of the population. Since Jews are dual-nationals that enjoy citizenship from both the US and Israel, it seems our government is being controlled by Israel via proxy.
Now, another sovereign nation that currently hates Israel is on a path to POSSIBLY have the means to make a nuclear warhead.
In the past, other nations we weren’t exactly friends with have obtained nuclear weapons, mostly as a result of that fucktard Clinton and his robot buddy Gore (who is about as intelligent as one of those gorillas who use sign language to ask for grapes… how that fucking guy is successful is a goddamn mystery to me). North Korea, the Pakis, the Hindus, the Chinese… these guys have nukes, yet we’re not marching off to war against any of them.
NOW, a country who doesn’t like Israel MIGHT POSSIBLY get the material to build a nuclear warhead, and all of a sudden everyone is up in arms about it. AIPAC purchases a couple of Senators who write such a dogshit bill that it will allow Israel the ability to literally march us off to war if it wants to…
Fuck.
See, the thing is, I never really gave much of a shit about Jews until I started reading. Found out who were the power brokers behind the public figures. About history.
Trust me, I got no great love for the ragheads – they’re batshit crazy and stuck in the 9th century. But I’m developing a serious dislike for Jews – ESPECIALLY the ones who purchase our government officials and want us stupid Goyim to march off and DIE so that they don’t have to…
Fuck em. Let them fight their own wars. Tired of us spilling the blood of our best for a bunch of Heebs who treat us like a big fucking piggy bank. Let THEM spill their own blood for once… they got enough free shit, treasure and lives out of us already.
Just leave us to mind our own business and fix our own house…
” We can agree that Israel and Saudi Arabia are simply too evil and dangerous to allow to exist and wipe them from the face of the earth.”
Finally someone says it in so many words. Give their dissenters (and there are many) a chance to make a break for another country, then bombs away.
Horses ass, by the pic..
LOL
Come up this hill SCHMUCK and you’ll get some combat experience!!
Just emailed my senators (Franken and Klobuchar) opposing 1881. So I think I got it all tamped down for now.
The jews of today, are NOT the jews from thousands of years ago, who were completely removed from Jerusalem, the last strong hold being Masada, which fell. The jews leaving Israel left mostly for northern asia.
The jews of today, genetically, are of european descent. They are, in essence, the thirteenth tribe, and adopted Judaism when confronted with Christians on one side, and Muslims on the other.
When you look at non-immigrant ME Israelis, they’re obviously Arabs, beholden to the west for their survival.
Arabs, or Persians, as Z likes to think of them, haven’t lived in peace for thousands of years. The history of Islam is rather pathetic, even compared to the most pitiful, christianity. Z needs to lay off the hooka. Fast foward to the present, where Christians and Arabs have lived side by side in peace for centuries, now, today, in the present tense, occurring as we speak, Christians are being rounded up, tortured and killed in Africa and the Middle East.
Z may not want to talk about that, or he may want to defend it. He won’t own up to it, that’s for sure.
Z has this romantic notion of Persian nobility, when as I read it, Islam is a religion of camel jockeys, convert or die. I don’t know that so called christians were ever this severe. That may be telling in itself. Even the shell of christianity that survived after the 4th century in Rome, was more tolerant than that which was founded by a murderous polygamist.
Let’s not white wash things, Islam is a religion of hate, and is a useful tool for Satan to sow destruction in the world. The jews of Israel today are no more the jews of the bible, than I am.
That being said, Jerusalem is an important landmark. Why else would the Illuminati build a temple there as the Supreme Court of Israel bought and paid for by Dorothy Rothschild? The middle east was the known world in old testament times, and it is this area which is identified in much of the prophecy concerning the end times.
You were all to stupid to be bothered to run things yourselves. Now most of you are debt slaves with an illusion of freedom.
By Michael Rozeff
There are 58 Senators who are now co-sponsors of the bill S. 1881: Nuclear Weapon Free Act of 2013. This bill makes war with Iran more likely and peace less likely. Its aim is to jettison the successful negotiations between the U.S. and Iran that have already occurred and make further progress less likely. This bill has war against Iran as its underlying aim.
AIPAC is a very prominent anti-Iran lobbying organization.
55 of the 58 Senators who are co-sponsors of this pro-war bill have received money from AIPAC totaling $7.3 million (2007-2012). 39 non-sponsors have received AIPAC money too, their total being $5.4 million. These amounts are drawn from a list of the top Senate recipients of AIPAC funds. The per-Senator average money is almost the same for the two groups. It’s $132,795 for the sponsors and $138,024 for the non-sponsors. These distinctions are not that important, because we know that in 2012 the Senate voted 90-1 on an anti-Iran resolution and 94-0 to tighten sanctions. Nevertheless, it’s interesting to observe that the co-sponsor group, who tend to be the most vocal and hawkish and the most willing to promote war, is the group that has been paid the most money by AIPAC.
I’ve been writing articles against the U.S. policy on Iran for 7 or 8 years now. I have to admit that when the current administration began talking with Rouhani, I thought that this pretty much ended the threat of war. Never did I dream that the American warmongers, right and left, would meet these negotiations by attempting to pass new sanctions! Never did I dream that the neocons and Israeli interests had such influence in the U.S. Senate that they would seek to counter a peaceful foreign policy conducted by a sitting President. The hand that they have chosen to play has surprised me, but that’s because I did not fully appreciate the perfidy of the neocon policies. Having seen them already in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, I should have known better than to think that reason and the interests of the American people might prevail for a change. It is crystal clear at this point that we are looking at evil policies being promoted with unremitting vigor. They are every bit as evil as the expansionist and anti-communist policies of Adolph Hitler. We are looking at large numbers of traitorous Senators promoting very dangerous ideas that are expansionist and interventionist in nature. They have built up a structure of lies, falsehoods, exaggerations, false enemies, false threats, impossible aspirations for dominance, and misperceptions. We are looking at people who feign respectability, reasonableness, honesty, loyalty and intelligence but who, when they promote war against a President who is succeeding in bringing a degree of peace, must be counted as among the lowest of the low, people that we must revile and reject as “leaders”, people that we must see as enemies of the interests of the peaceful pursuit of happiness. These same people will, by and large, turn their guns against the American people and be most supportive of the national security state.
The following senators are Senate co-sponsors of this bill. Beside each name is the dollar amount of AIPAC contributions to that senator in the years 2007-2012.
Mark Kirk $925,379
John McCain $771,012
Mitch McConnell $430,925
Robert Menendez $344,670
Kirsten Gillibrand $326,937
Mary Landrieu $296,409
Benjamin Cardin $267,542
Charles Schumer $248,149
Robert Casey $192,550
Roger Wicker $158,861
Mark Warner $149,151
Susan Collins $139,518
Mark Pryor $138,250
John Thune $123,725
Roy Blunt $120,500
Joe Manchin $117,110
Pat Roberts $116,900
Bob Corker $114,770
David Vitter $112,619
Kelly Ayotte $111,899
Michael Bennet $109,126
John Cornyn $107,000
Saxby Chambliss $103,650
John Barrasso $99,050
Orrin Hatch $91,500
Jeff Sessions $86,550
Marco Rubio $86,200
Lisa Murkowski $85,900
Lindsey Graham $84,515
Daniel Coats $82,733
Richard Blumenthal $80,640
Joe Donnelly $72,911
Dean Heller $71,100
Richard Burr $70,850
Robert Portman $68,815
John Hoeven $67,535
Mike Johanns $63,635
James Inhofe $60,000
Charles Grassley $57,600
Jerry Moran $53,400
Thomas Coburn $47,445
Michael Crapo $45,750
Mike Lee $45,030
James Risch $41,750
Patrick Toomey $40,500
Ted Cruz $39,354
Mark Begich $36,727
John Boozman $34,250
John Isakson $31,600
Michael Enzi $31,600
Richard Shelby $27,250
Deb Fischer $26,400
Chris Coons $20,774
Tim Scott $15,310
Ron Johnson $10,400
We have to have war, without war the unemployment numbers and poverty will both explode. So war it is.
@Non, are you kidding me with this, “…Z has this romantic notion of Persian nobility, when as I read it, Islam is a religion of camel jockeys, convert or die. I don’t know that so called christians were ever this severe….”
You don’t know that “so-called christians” were ever this severe?
I will assume you have never read up on the inquisition, or crusades, or any other number of murder-for-christ schemes?
People were killed because they wanted to remain true to their own faiths and not convert to christianity. Because history is written by the winners, we forget – or refuse to learn – that.
As for the killing of christians in the Mideast and Africa, you do realize that the “freedom-fighters” trying to “free” Syria are the ones killing Christians? That the Christians in Syria were doing quite well before “help” came via US/Saud/Israel supported terrorists?
Or that the Egyptian government is doing the same thing? Yes, the government we helped to install.
Cripes. People are so forgiving of their own flavor of evil while loving to tout the other side as Satanic and demonic.
ANY time that ANY one declares murder as the best plan you can be sure that it isn’t.
The only reason Iran has any hope is Valerie Jarrett’s ties and the very real threat that China and Russia would be to our plans.
As if any of this matters, war is going to continue until there is nothing left to fight about.
Time draws neigh, soon all will find truth in the blood of those they love.
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1.) US Defense Contractor Arrested After Caught Smuggling US Fighter Jet Plans to Iran
2.) Israeli Defense Minister: Kerry Is ‘Obsessive,’ ‘Messianic’
3.) Iranian Negotiator Says Nuclear Deal Includes Secret Addendum
4.) State Dept: ‘There Is No Secret Agreement’ with Iran
5.) Congress Pressures White House to Release Iran Nuke Deal Text
And finally, somewhat different than the Israel/Iran problem, but a big one within the US:
6.) Air Force: 34 nuclear missile officers implicated in cheating scandal
Read more at http://angrywhitedude.com/2014/01/picture-day-just-noise/#PyobTLrCPX5IU4yA.99
Fuck them all to hell.
Also, +1 to Billy.
TE, where in the world is Christian persecution of anyone today? I looked these up before posting and the inquisition was political, not religious, particularly the Spanish Inquisition, and the crusades were, well, they were the crusades. Notice whom they were fighting? It takes two the last time I checked, not that you have to look far. And they were fighting an adversary that was as bad as you claim christians to be.
Since neither of us were there, it’s hard to say, but the crusades weren’t about proselytizing Arabs to Christianity, it was about stopping Islam from proselytizing Europe at the point of a sword.
When you read the Koran, and the Christian bible, which do you think is more likely, then give me your honest opinion. I already know the answer, and if you’re honest, so do you.
E-mail reply from Al Franken:
“Thank you for contacting me about Iran. I appreciate hearing from you on this important topic.
Iran’s nuclear program poses a great threat to American interests in the Middle East and to our closest allies. A nuclear-armed Iran would be unacceptable, which is why both Congress and the Obama administration have adopted a policy of preventing rather than containing a nuclear-armed Iran. I have long believed that a diplomatic resolution of the Iran nuclear problem is far preferable to the alternatives. We currently have an opportunity to test whether Iran is willing and able to reach such a diplomatic resolution.
The United States has pursued a dual track approach of pressuring the Iranian regime through sanctions while remaining open to diplomatic engagement. In this vein, I have cosponsored a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Iran that have helped to isolate and pressure the Iranian regime and push it to change its behavior. The international community is also united in requiring Iran to demonstrate that its nuclear program is exclusively peaceful in intent. That international consensus is embodied in six UN Security Council Resolutions and the sanctions that several of those resolutions contain.
Up until recently, the Iranian regime refused to change its behavior and make clear that its nuclear program is exclusively peaceful. More recently, with the election of a new government and under the continuing pressure of economic sanctions, Iran has shown greater willingness to engage diplomatically. In November, the P5+1 (the five countries on the UN Security Council plus Germany) and Iran reached an interim agreement that freezes Iran’s nuclear program and rolls it back in certain respects in return for minor sanctions relief. This is only a first step, and because this is the Iranian regime we are dealing with, there is every reason to be skeptical. We now have a period of time to test Iran and see if it is possible to reach a comprehensive diplomatic resolution of the Iranian nuclear problem. The core sanctions against Iran remain in place, and we must keep up that pressure during this time if we hope to reach a lasting diplomatic resolution of the Iran nuclear problem.”
So did the senate already vote on this? If so, can anyone link to the roll call? THANKS