THE FUTURE FOR PEACE LOOKS BRIGHT

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1)  Thousands of Israeli Teens Protest Against Opponents of Ethnic Cleansing

2)  Message from Israel’s Youth:  “Thanks for the Money, US, Now Shut the Fuck Up and Send More of Your People to Die for Our Wars”

3)  The Nazis Had the Right Idea.  They Were Only Criminals Because They Targeted Us Instead of Being Us.  It isn’t Wrong When We Do It! 

Jason Ditz has this to say:

“We’re here to tell the whole world that the land is ours,” declared Israeli Deputy FM Ze’ev Elkin, one of several hawkish cabinet members who took part in the protest rally.

E-1 is a small, mostly empty area whose primary value is that it is the only settlement-free tract of land in the West Bank that connects the northern and southern portions of the Palestinian territory, and the only way a Palestinian state will ever be remotely contiguous.

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Stucky

“If Palestinians Want Their Own Country, They Should Go Take Over An Arab One”
——— Mike Huckabee.

“To tell Jewish people, ‘You cannot live here, you cannot raise your children here,’ this is the true racism, this is apartheid,”
——— Mike Huckabee.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444

If indeed there is a “third rail” of politics, a subject that is so dangerous and volatile that you can’t discuss it, this is it. This is an issue where you look over your shoulder to see who’s listening, before you say what you want to say.

There is no way you can tell a Zionist Jew, or American Neo-con, or American Liberal, that Israel should never have existed as a country, and only exists because of the heavy application of brute force on the part of the Allies at the end of WW2. You also cannot safely assert that this country broke a major promise that Roosevelt, who was no longer alive to uphold his word, made to King Ibn Saud at the famous secret meeting between the two old rulers aboard an American warship in 1944. Ibn Saud warned Roosevelt that if an independent Jewish state were formed, that it would become a lightening rod for latent anti-Jewish hostilities in the Arab world, and would not only endanger the embedded Jewish populations of Arab cities in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and every other country in the Arab world, but would destabilize the entire area and be the root of protracted, endless wars.

All of which it has.

We have also done wrong in supporting the formation of a Theocracy, a country whose laws are based on the teachings of a particular religion and that legally discriminates against everyone not of that particular religion or ethnicity, which violates one of the core principals on which the U.S. was founded. Not that violating our core principals is anything we haven’t done almost since we ratified the constitution, which is one of the many reasons this country is rapidly failing. However, our local genocides and our failure to defend our constitutional liberties within our own borders are merely “local” failures, but when carried out on the international stage, creates disasters that will blow back with consequences for this country that we likely will never recover from for as far out as anyone can see.

Thinker

Just in case someone doesn’t know the story and agreement that Chicago999444 references, here it is:

http://www.crethiplethi.com/letter-from-president-roosevelt-to-king-ibn-saud-april-5-1945/usa/2010/

Stucky

“We have also done wrong in supporting the formation of a Theocracy, a country whose laws are based on the teachings of a particular religion ….” ———- Chicago999444

What about the USA? Many of The Founders relied heavily on the Bible for their political justification of the Constitution. The framers built the constitutional structure around Natural Law, a god-centered worldview, which that generation viewed as “laws of the Creator”. For the first century or so The Supreme Court stated over and over that “Christianity is part of the common law of the land.” None of that makes the USA a theocracy. It just means that our (Judeo) Christian heritage shaped our laws.

Israel is in exactly the same position. Their heritage shapes their government, but there is no state religion. It is not a theocracy.

Balzytch
Balzytch

Israel should just pull out, and leave the Muslims to kill themselves off. Considering most of the governors of the Federal Reserve Bank are Jewish, Hollywood is Jewish, all the Banksters are Jewish, the guys that own the big media conglomerates are Jewish, they own this country and have more money than God. Why don’t they just buy their own country and move. Muslims left to themselves will extinct themselves quite rapidly.

flash
flash

Jewland philosophy (condensed version): homogeny for we; diversity for thee

gilberts
gilberts

Applying Washington’s warning about encumbering alliances overseas and applying my own idea about keeping your nose in your own business, I don’t give a crap about Israel and its problems. They got their own military, their own nukes, and they can stand on their own two feet. So I don’t care.

I dream of a day when America’s leaders aren’t beholden to foreign interests and foreign money.

If Israel is a legitimate nation, it can probably handle its own problems. There is no reason why we should put our lives, our reputation, and our treasure on the line for their problems.

I can’t feel bad for the Palestinians, since they created a lot of their own problems.
I can’t feel bad for the Israelis, since they created a lot of their own problems.
I just wish I wasn’t expected to give a crap about either side when I don’t have a dog in their fight and their death or survival makes no difference to me.

As a Christian, I also wish Christians understood there is no biblical requirement to support Israel. Hearing propagandists attempt to cloak foreign politics in biblical terms makes me sick.

sensetti
sensetti

This Country was founded by men that believed in the God of the Bible. To say otherwise would be ignorant.

George Washington
1st U.S. President

“While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”
–The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God … What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”
–Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

“The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

“Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System.”
–Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

“The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever.”
–Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
–Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

“I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
–The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

“Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”
–History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

“Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

“That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

“As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

“But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure.”
–Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.

flash
flash

If a man doth hunger, thou shalt pass a law beheth he be fed and those that passeth thus law shall be embroidered in the finest clothe and wares as befitting those that serve the poor with the benefits wrested from those who produce.-Ancient American proverb.

gilberts
gilberts

I don’t deny the founders were religious, but I deny the tacit assumption that evangelical Christians are required to support Israel. And Sensetti, your quotes have nothing to do with supporting Israel. Washington also warned us to stay out of others’ business. And wasn’t it Jefferson who wrote in art11 of the Treaty of Tripoli that the US Govt was not founded on Christianity? That was an odd statement (and one I disagree with).

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Also, Franklin’s inclusion in your quotes is a little disingenuous, since I believe he was a Deist and he would probably not be very popular with the baptists where I grew up. “Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy.” (I’ll never forget having a girlfriend run off when a dozen of her cousins walked into the Piggly Wiggly while we were holding a case of beer on Saturday night…)

gilberts
gilberts

Actually, sometimes I wonder if some of the founders didn’t maintain a more strict and devout religious face in public to satisfy the demands of the public vs a more relaxed private life. Would it surprise anyone if they were maintaining the appearances required by the social mores of the time, much like our current leaders today who make the required visits to churches on certain days, then continue with business as usual?

Chen
Chen

gilberts says:

“I don’t deny the founders were religious, but I deny the tacit assumption that evangelical Christians are required to support Israel.”

not a requirement, it is the misinterpretation of the verse that says, ‘I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you’.

there are lots of fools who call themselves christians or americans (as if there was any power to save in that) and sniff at supposed upstarts who are undeserving of their portion. this is why the judgment is mentioned in the bible. surely their smugness deserves the 13th level of hell.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill

not a requirement, it is the misinterpretation of the verse that says, ‘I will bless those that bless you and curse those that curse you’. -Chen

And also ” I will become what I will become.”

Eyeh Asher Eyeh

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Kill Bill
Kill Bill

i curse no one, and those shall not curse me

Chen
Chen

I read a lovely exposition of that name, it must have been a shock to people to hear such a name. I am he who will be (Jesus) and equally perplexing to hear, I am he who was dead (Jesus) and live forever.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Crazy arabs at it again. They know no other way.
Do they kill to live or live to kill? I think both.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLrdzUwvRUg

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