The UAW recently lost a vote to unionize a German auto plant in Tenn. Good for them. Everything unions touch goes bankrupt, including our government. Union government drones make almost twice as much as people doing the same job in the private sector, and they get ridiculous pensions and retire 15 years before everyone else.
Not surprisingly, the unions support and fund corrupt socialist/communist democrats. I say we sign a petition to have a nationwide vote on whether we want government employees to be unionized. If we could get unions out of the government employee business, we might stand a chance. Eh, probably not. We’re going bankrupt anyway.
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ANTI-UNION VOTE IN TENNESSEE DEATH KNELL FOR UAW UNION!
Auto workers at a Volkswagen plant in Chattanooga, TN voted against unionization with the United Auto Workers yesterday. This is a crushing defeat for the UAW who had lobbied workers at Volkswagen for years. Moreover, this defeat spells the end for the corrupt union machine that owns the Democrat Party. Especially since Volkswagen had basically green-lighted unionization of its Tennessee workforce! Germans love them some labor unions. Americans, errrr, not so much! Especially in the South! Red states have seen the disastrous results of corrupt labor unions in the North!
Liberals love to blame corporate greed on American jobs being moved overseas. But, as usual, liberals are wrong. The truth is labor unions and government are the real reasons America is bleeding jobs to China, Mexico, Brazil, India, etc. Unions and government have run more businesses away from America than any other factors. Businesses in America exist to make money, not to provide jobs. A company that continually loses money will soon go out of business unless the federal government bails it out with taxpayer dollars as Bush and Obama did with General Motors. Not surprisingly, the GM bailout cost taxpayers billions which will never be returned.
Do you think a guy who turns a wrench in America is worth $85,000 per year when a fuzzy little foreigner could turn the same wrench for a tenth of that? Thirty years ago, America pretty much had a lock on auto production and other manufacturing. Not anymore. In the global economy, America has to be competitive or close business doors.
Unions have extorted businesses and consumers with outrageous pay and benefit plans for their members for generations. Unions have also protected worthless workers by holding businesses hostage by not allowing lazy, incompetent workers to be fired for cause. The ridiculous system of union seniority protects those who have been on the job the longest rather than promote the most talented, productive and ambitious. A system that promotes laziness and incompetence when ambition and talent is needed to return America to global competitiveness.
The federal government is the other culprit in running away American jobs. Do you think China or our other global manufacturing competitors have to abide by FICA, FUI, SUI, ADA, FMLA, HIPAA, COBRA, EEOC, ObamaCare and the other shackles imposed on American businesses? If so, you’re stupid enough to be a liberal and probably belong to a union! Each of these programs imposed on American companies adds dramatically to the cost of doing business on American soil. We are already at a disadvantage.
Also, the federal government and its love of over-generous programs and laws designed to protect workers has basically replaced what labor unions once did. In reality, labor unions are mere funding machines for the Democrat Party. They extort dues from union members and buy Democrat politicians who vote to protect corrupt labor unions.
Here’s a list of political contributions from unions compared to donations from the “evil” conservative Koch Brothers: (h/t Gateway Pundit)
2.) American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,667,379
4.) National Education Assn $53,594,488
7.) Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $44,478,789
8.) United Auto Workers $41,667,858
9.) Carpenters & Joiners Union $39,260,371
10.) Service Employees International Union $38,395,690
11.) Laborers Union $37,494,010
12.) American Federation of Teachers $36,713,325
13.) Communications Workers of America $36,188,135
14.) Teamsters Union $36,123,209
16.) United Food & Commercial Workers Union $33,756,550
20.) Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,313,097
23.) AFL-CIO $30,938,977
32.) National Assn of Letter Carriers $26,106,359
39.) Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $23,886,248
42.) Operating Engineers Union $23,036,848
43.) International Assn of Fire Fighters $22,963,260
46.) Sheet Metal Workers Union $22,372,978
59.) Koch Industries $18,083,948
Non-unionized employees at Volkswagen are earning about $5 per hour more than their union-represented counterparts at Ford and GM locations. So they wisely voted down the UAW and will continue to earn at the top end of their industry. Plus, their forced dues will not go to fund socialist Democrats.
Labor unions must die. For that matter, so must the federal leviathan in Washington if America is to succeed. The truth is, labor unions own the Democrat Party just like gigantic corporations own the Republicans. Politicians do not represent their constituents. They shill for their union and corporate masters. American government has devolved into a corrupt “Congressman for hire” scheme that is destroying America.
Perhaps the anti-union vote in Chattanooga shows more people are finally waking up in America. Union and government workers have for too long been isolated and protected by corrupt politicians against economic realities those of us in the private (wealth producing) sector experiencE! Time for drastic revamping in the way America does business! Get the unions and government out of the way and Americans will once again return to doing what we do better than anyone else in the world….produce wealth!
Die, UAW, die! And take the Democrats with you!
The good news about unions is that they always price themselves out of jobs. Thus, they are inherently unsustainable in the long run.
The bad news: they tend to take down the rest of us with them.
The bad news is corporations have their own unions, which includes the Federal Reserve, all branches of government, & the Supreme Court. If Unions disappear, working conditions will deteriorate until they become like before workers had any rights.
The People have the right to organize, take that away & corporations will run over the country even more than they have already. Organizing is not unconstitutional, but corporations becoming cartels & monopolies with government sanction & force is the bigger problem.
Economan – you really think that the Dems are not in the pockets of the unions? Unions will disappear, as they have priced themselves out of the global market. Working conditions will never return to the bad old days. Govt laws see to that. Unions no longer play much of a part there. EPA/OHS/Workman’s comp/Etc drive conditions these days, not unions.
I hear much about the recent Supreme Court rulings re Super Pacs and all that. But until then, the unions had been doing much the same thing, and nary a peep was made about how evil it was. Unions are dinosaurs and need to go extinct.
I agree with Steve – they will be the agents of their own demise, but they do indeed not care if they take down the rest of the country with them.
“American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,667,379”
You work your ass off, and the government steals the effort of your labor (taxes). The government pays union drones, with benefits, on average $120,000 a year. They are driving Mercedes and Lexus’, living in gated suburbs, living the good life, and get to look forward to retiring at 50 with a massive pension and healthcare benefits, all paid for with your hard earned dollars. The unions take their cut, which they redistribute to cronies, friends, and democrats. $60 million dollars of your money is going to finance the political careers of democrats that are destroying our freedom and the constitution. You are financing this. Do not support union labor, do not buy union-made products, and do not continue to feed the beast of corruption, graft and tyranny.
Unsurprisingly, the two top contributors are public employee unions. I’d get rid of those fuckers right after I required AIPAC to register as an agent of a foreign government.
Okay, now back to rooting for the Russian hockey team over the US. Putin is there.
Russia lost in the shoot-out
Pay no attention to the now passed but once concurrent “golden age” of American Unions and the “golden age” of the American Middle Class.
Continue to play the “libertarian,” “American, born free and independent,” “we don’t need no fuckin’ unions” fiddles as our fascist capitalist masters rummage through America’s remaining assets and freedoms.
It’s kinda comic, ain’t it, that the Koch empire, build largely through their service to Joseph Stalin in the 1930’s, is now bringing down whats left of the American experiment, yet so many folks here at the Burning Hemorrhoid continue to beat up on what’s left of our working class. Seems like you’re critters actually respect those psychotic or sociopathic enough to build their own business empires, regardless of who they run thru the grinder to get there.
“EPA/OHS/Workman’s comp/Etc drive conditions these days, not unions.”
—-Llpoh
Amen.
Freelander
That’s exactly the kind of shit communists say (and Obama). Give everyone a union job, we need full employment, the workers need protection from the evil capitalists. Who, exactly, built this nation? Was it communist unions? No, it was capitalists. But they have fled the country, under the crush of paying for unions, government regulations, and taxes. There are fewer small businesses now than at almost any time in our history. The big corporations pay off the criminals in Washington and get tax breaks, which is called cronyism, not capitalism. No new businesses, no new jobs. Yea, dumbfuck, let’s have a worker’s paradise, with all the unions and corruption inherent in every communist country that has ever tried it (and failed). Maybe it’s better to have unions and government bankrupt and run every business out of the country. Oh, that’s already happened. Too fucking late. Well, at least there’s welfare and disability, and 110 million people that have left the workforce. It’s worked out great hasn’t dumbfuck?
Unions need democrats to survive and while union membership is falling, democrats need the union members money.
It won’t be long, there’s already union infighting for the scraps and the last bits of power.
I think (hope) we’ve seen the last of the forced bailouts to save unions. You can only steal so much from the majority of the people to give to a minority.
Freelander – you really cannot be that stupid, can you? The American “working class” fucked themselves, best I can see, No education, no work ethic, in debt to their eyeballs, electing morons to office, failing to take an interest in what is going on around them.
They have themselves to blame for their predicament. Business responded as business will – it exists to maximize profits for the business owners. If they can but politicians, they will. If they can send jobs overseas and thus increase profits, they will. If they can automate and reducae the need for expensive employees, they will. It is what they fucking do. It is their mandate – it is what they are and it is the reason for their existence.
You think they send jobs overseas for the fun of it? Hell no – they do it to increase profits, or to make some profit instead of losing money.
You think business passed the laws where corporate tax is the world’s highest? Hell no. THe lobbied for and got loopholes, in many instances. But high corporate taxes are driving businesses overseas.
I run a business. I am in business to make money. I am not in business to provide jobs. Anyone that thinks I have a social obligation other than that mandated by law – which I scrupulously abide by – can blow me.
It is the welfare state that is killing the US – the nanny state has fucked things up. And where did the nanny state begin? With fucking unions. They served a good purpose, originally, but then blew things to shit with ever increasing demands.
If it was possible to make good money hee, and if corporate taxes were low, and if regs were appropriate and not so fucking overwhelming, business would stay in the US. But that is not the case.
The government is fucking this shit up. High paid puiblic service drones. !00 million on welfare. Highest corporate tax rate in the world. Adding costs to small business via Obamacare. Declining education by allowing substandard teachers and teaching to the lowest common denominator. EPA regs out the ass. Payroll taxes. Property taxes. Safety laws out of all proportion to the accidents that occur (compare auto accidents deaths with deaths in the workplace – you do not see the speed limits dropped to 5 mph, do you? That is what would happen if business had that kind of record).
To blame business is bullshit. They are simply adapting to what is. And what is is a result of the politicians and the ignorant sheple of the country.
Stupid dickhead.
Well said Llpoh, perfect analysis, +1000
Let’s ship Freelander and his kind to a communist country where I’m sure he’d be much happier.
Sorry about the typos. That is bad even for me. I was a bit incensed by that asshole.
Yeah — can’t blame the rattlers for biting the second or third camper hoofing it down the canyon path, can you? So, it’s in the nature of capitalism to cut corners, look for the main chance (that’s to say, #1) and rent as many politicians as they can afford to get special priviliges for their G*d-given right to skin the working class?
Well, if that’s the way it’s gotta be, then we should expect a few more Haymarket Square episodes, shouldn’t we? Maybe we can encourage a few more to take the Tom Perkins line and demand we kneel to his greater acumen and semi-divinity (or was Mammon more of a satanic metaphor? I forget.).
It’s kind tragic (in a humorously dark way), that so many of y’all get your rocks off kickin’ those already fucked over by the ‘garchs.
Freelander – you are right in saying it is in their nature. IT IS THEIR NATURE. What part of businesses are in business to make money that you do not understand?
Should business be able to influence the laws being made? Yes, but not to the point that they are. Should unions be able to influence the laws being made? Yes, but not to the point that they are.
Business owes the working class NOTHING. The working class need to be able to provide value to the business. If they can help the business make a profit, the business will hire them. Simple as that. If they cannot, they will not.
Wages will go up if the economy is growing, and companies are profitable, as a result of competition for the best people. Right now companies are profitable, but they are not hiring, because extra employees are not contributing to their profits.
Governments need to set reasonable laws. Currents laws/regs are not reasonable, so business is fleeing. Employees are not providing value equivalent to their costs and liabilities, so they are taking their business elsewhere, where it is cheaper to employ and the quality of the employee is higher.
Tom Perkins had this right, more or less – people not paying taxes should not be allowed to vote to take money from those that do. Government workers should not be allowed to vote, for the same reason. Folks on welfare should not be allowed to vote.
Allowing people to vote whose lives depend on their ability to take from others is total bullshit. They will reach a critical mass – if they have not already – and all value will be stripped from the country. That is the point Perkins was making, and he is fucking right about that.
Hey Ilpoh here some more socialist crap for you
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair,
awd,
nice post. i have nothing to add other than yes, send unions packing.
because there are no profits, public unions should not exist, period. it would be a great initial step to decreasing govt’s power.
and i hope whatever shitheel that feels the need to troll through a comment section and give every commentor a -1 has their herpes act up real bad.
“It’s kinda comic, ain’t it, that the Koch empire, build (sic) largely through their service to Joseph Stalin in the 1930′s, is now bringing down whats left of the American experiment, yet so many folks here at the Burning Hemorrhoid continue to beat up on what’s left of our working class.”
—-Freelander
Wrong and wrong. Koch industries did not build their business empire “largely through their service to Joseph Stalin in the 1930s.” Yes, it did business in the Soviet Union from 1929-1932, but only after it was forced OUT of the U.S. by Big Oil. The Koch Industries of today started in 1940, well after leaving the Soviet market. To assert that ONE COMPANY is now bringing down what’s left of the “American experiment,” whatever the fuck that means, is beyond absurd.
American unions represent about 8% of the private work force, which is the heart and soul of the middle class. The fucking entire private work force, Freelander, not just the private unions. Unions lost the battle to represent blue collar workers over a generation ago, yet continue to claim they represent American workers. What a joke.
Keep voting for union-supported liberals, dumbass. An ironclad guarantee you will pay more for food, for a car, for your heating and cooling, for your property taxes (read schools), for sales taxes, for just about EVERYTHING that people in the middle class need from day to day. That’s what’s killing the middle class.
It’s a death of a thousand cuts. Have fun slowly sliding into the abyss and wondering why voting the same way over and over doesn’t seem to work. I honestly hope you’re one of the victims of your own stupidity and/or lack of insight and education. You deserve everything you have gotten and are going to get.
harry – I hardly ever disagree with you, but in this case I must. I have no doubt that that asshole is syphillitic (may also have herpes), as it results in brain degeneration if not treated. As seems evident.
SSS rides in and kicks Freelander in the nuts.
The old spook still has it.
What is so sad for America is types like freelander are the majority and only so because politicians who required a dumbed down base allowed the most ignorant and most dependent to vote.
Unions are going to implode, but when these stupid idiot freeloaders go down, they’ll no doubt take the rest of us with them.
I give you guys all the credit in the world giving these fucknuts one spare second of your time, they unfortunately are too dense to comprehend any thought other than what they have been told.
The union government drones will be the last union standing, until they bankrupt the USSA. Unions bankrupt everything they touch. Until then, idiots like freeloader will continue riding the wave of insane liberal ideology to the bottom. What a dumbfuck.
It’s amazing how many ways communists use to cover up communist ideas. Obama in particular. Demonize capitalists, and place the worker first. And use unions to prevent worker exploitation. It’s Marxism 101. Then, when the communists take over the failed businesses, they do it for “the workers”, and proceed to run whatever’s left into the ground. See every business the government has taken over and tried to run (including education). We even have a real, live business owner telling us the truth, but no matter, you can’t convince a communist that capitalism works. And that’s what people have been programmed into believing, and what we are seeing day in and day out. Capitalism built this country, gave people an excellent standard of living, and all ship rose as a result. Now, our standard of living continues to decline, the middle class is being wiped out, 110 million people have mysteriously “left the workforce”, but Obama makes more promises and lies to people that have become desperate, all the while seizing more power for himself and his cronies.
Marxist ideals appeal to idiots like freeloader, and millennials, and everyone else too lazy to start their own business and too stupid to run a business. Capitalism is all but dead in this country, and all we’re going to get is failure after failure of state run, or state assisted crony companies. Communism fails every single time, but that never stopped imbeciles like freeloader from believing in it.
Llpoh,
In this case you are most likely correct, would help expain things.
I just hope whomever it is is also infertile.
It just occurred to me, people like freeloader don’t know what real capitalism is, they think what we have today is capitalism. We have to lower our intelligence to their level, we need to understand they really are clueless in all things economic. Nah.
Here’s a small lesson,
In Cuba, one of only a handful of communist countries left, every person makes the equivalent of $10 per day. It doesn’t matter if you dig ditches or you’re a doctor that spent 20 years total in school getting educated. There are no private companies in Cuba, except some foreign hotel owners, who have worked out a bribe arraignment with the government. The state runs everything. And everyone is equally poor. There is no initiative to better yourself, get educated, work harder, achieve anything; there’s no point, and no reward.
The most coveted jobs are working at the tourist hotels where you can make more in tips in one day than the average Cuban makes in a month. And they don’t trade in their local currency, which is worthless, they trade in dollars, even though we have an embargo with Cuba lasting many decades. The leaders of Cuba, however, siphon off the wealth of the country. The Castros are worth something like $8 billion dollars, and they have mansions all over the island. The top party members live in mansions with servants. The average person has no pot to piss in, no goods to buy, no stores to shop in other than state-run propaganda shops. The state issues them rations, and when Russia cut support, they bought all the citizens bikes since they suddenly got 1/10 the oil they were getting from Russia and nobody could drive anymore.
Communism removes the humanity from people, the desire to better themselves and their society. Sure, they have jobs, but everyone makes the same income, so why work hard? Why bother? Well, most Cubans don’t. They are waiting, always waiting until things collapse and human nature is again restored to their country. They are all equally poor and equally miserable, therefore a great communist success (no evil capitalists to be found). Communism usually ends when some people with drive, initiative and moxy hang the communist leaders. And that’s what always happens with communism, and what our leaders and brain dead population can’t wait to have happen here.
Whats so odd about liberals is they have a huge fucking marxist bug up there ass if a business owner pulls down a seven figure salary.
Jon Stewart:
“How in the world do you, Mitt Romney, justify making more in one day than the median American family makes in a year while paying the effective tax rate of the guy who has to scan your shoes in the airport?”
Romney made $21.7 million that year while giving $7 million to charity.
Stewart made $25 million that year while I can’t find the amount of his money he provided to charity, just that he “supported” charity’s.
Liberal marxist pigs hate Romney, but love Stewart. Bill Clinton doesn’t even have a job other than talking and he pulled down $106 million last year. Yet liberal fucknut drones would swim through a shark infested cesspool of shit to suck his dick.
Go figure.
And I am not a fan of Romney, just used this exchange as an example.
Good post and great comment AWD. I agree with you completely. Unions start off with high-minded aims but quickly forget that they exist to help employees meld with the company so that the business can do well.and benefit shareholders, employees, and management. Union leadership benefits and employee fraud in various degrees soon come to dominate the relationship. Sadly, the supposed beneficiaries of the union end up getting screwed worse than if there had been no union. I could give examples galore.
card, romneys claim to billions was lobbying for monsanto. the agent orange folk.
and i personally know of vietnam vets that have kids who suffer from that.
Unions start off with high-minded aims but quickly forget that they exist to help employees meld with the company -bw
that is so much bs. the goal was never to help the employees but take a portion of their wages for climbing in bed with the corporation.
i am for the ending of unions but for exactly the reason i just gave.
To anyone that continues to believe in the ideals of unions (and big gubment, for that matter), I just need you to go forth and find the answers to the following:
1. Did the Union(s) Brass take a dime of pay/bene cuts when they “negotiated” the two-tier system where current employees screwed their kids to keep a few of their promises? (bonus question: If you are under the age of 40, will you EVER see ANY of said promises?)
2. Did the Unions whom set up the “quality” systems that are required of American suppliers, force their companies to hold Chinese suppliers (or Mexican) to the same level of paperwork and stress?
3. Did the Unions agree to concessions that would have enabled AMERICAN suppliers (so customers) to keep THEIR jobs?
4. Can people off the street, with no familial, or other, connections get a union gig?
5. Do Unionized retail workers have anything more than non-unionized retail workers?
6. Did the Unions agree to contract where there are no new hires, just temps, and the new hires get none of the perks but continue to pay 100% of the dues?
7. Did the Unions allow their leaders to entrench their friends and families in all the upper level union jobs, thus blocking the dues paying members from ever having such gigs?
8. Did the Union rep whom was negotiating the late 90s contracts with the UAW make the statement, “we will run every non-union job out of America to keep the last union job!”?9
9. How is your union NOT a corporation?
And a few follow up questions:
How can a union allow workers to have no benefits, pay at minimum wage and still keep their members believing they are being done a favor to pay 6 hours of your wages in dues?
How can a union go to bat for workers that injure and nearly kill other workers?
And my favorite, why would you want to work with lazy, non-held-to-account, POS whom earn EXACTLY what you do, even though they do half the job, cause most of the problems and make your workplace dangerous and anti-profit (so on the way to being shut down)?
The first five questions are all answered “no.” The next four are all “yes,” and if you are paying dues, you are nothing but a tool that is paraded about to make it look like the very rich (and corrupted) guys at the top are doing something altruistic.
The unions first bankrupted their suppliers, then when they realized that said suppliers (used to be) their best customers, they slit the throats of the dues-payers while losing NOTHING for themselves.
Keep on believing that unions serve a purpose in an over-regulated economy. Keep on telling your kids how sorry you are they will NEVER live the life we have had.
I was happy to see that a (slight) majority of workers were smart enough to say no. Count on the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) to raise objections and turn this vote.
And finally, wonder how the UAW and Teamsters unionizing is going in China? After all, that is what they promised when the gubment bailed them out and gifted the company to them while bankrupting suppliers that never had it so good.
People that believe in unions are usually the same that believe in Gubment protection and loss of freedoms to “save” us.
They are incapable of being saved, incapable of being awoken.
While this is a good thing, I don’t expect it to stay that way. The unions won’t stop until their is nothing left.
I’m banking on it.
Interesting voting here. More than just a few pro-union votes … about 2-1, against/pro
All I can add to the divergent views posted is to look at Motivation. In the most basic form;
Corporations ——- as llpoh states a corporation …. ” exists to MAXIMIZE PROFITS for the business OWNERS.” The owners …. not the employees.
Unions ——– They exist to MAXIMIZE PAY AND BENEFITS for the EMPLOYEES.
Hence … the Wars between labor and employees.
I wonder if people realize that when they hate (or, support) one side ….. that the other side is driven by EXACTLY the same motivation. In other words, each side is in it for themselves.
Things have gotten really fucked up when either side carries out it’s Motivation to the extreme.
oops —— Hence … the Wars between owners and employees
Unions would have no power at all if not for the threat of violence. Who would fear crossing a picket line if they knew that they and their family were safe from recriminations? The mafia had an easy time taking over the unions because they work in the same way. “Nice little (store, factory, car, kid) you have there. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.”
@original article – A fellow chemist finally get on with the EPA, she is starting out at what I make, and within 5 years will be making almost double what we currently make.
She has about a third the job duties, and she doesn’t have to worry about real results because of the nature of the work she does. Plug and chug the experiment and if it fails its someone else’s fault.
I need to get me one of them government jobs, I could put a full weeks worth of government work in in just a few hours on monday and spend the rest of the week fishing, hunting and gardening.
“Tom Perkins had this right, more or less – people not paying taxes should not be allowed to vote to take money from those that do.”
I like Heinlein’s idea of citizen responsibility, that one must first complete a minimum amount of public service before they gain the right to vote.
Another reason I am grateful to live in the South. Unions are not popular down here. In Alabama alone we have Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai plants. We still have manufacturing in my state. Without unions we our economy is advancing. The University of Alabama is scoring patents and grants left and right over their research in renewable energy. A few months ago I had nice conversation with the CFO of Inventurechem over the research and growing of their business. Currently they are taking cellulose waste and turning it into fuel. They have been doing a lot of work in Singapore with their patent. Boeing just invested 6 million into a 400 job plant to be built in Huntsville. Today it was announced that Remington Arms will be building investing 87 million into building a 500,000 sq ft plant in Alabama, which will also add 2,000 jobs.
This country paid the HIGHEST wages in the world when we produced everything and consumed 97% of what WE produced…this was with union and non-union workers……what went wrong was the government programs and laws that were started and changed to penalize our producers….60-70’s….80’s…then the final nail was NAFTA….(clinton)….then Favorite nation as in China…(bush)…..now all we bicker about are the crumbs…as we produce not very much and we consume OUR production even less…as the money leaves this nation…..By the way , the same group of families that have ruled us and the world are still in power….History ,if you read it ,will point them out to you……..imho
TPC says:
““Tom Perkins had this right, more or less – people not paying taxes should not be allowed to vote to take money from those that do.”
I like Heinlein’s idea of citizen responsibility, that one must first complete a minimum amount of public service before they gain the right to vote”
And while we’re at it, end the granting of automatic citizenship for people born in the USA, rather make all persons earn their citizenship and right to vote with military service and proof the applicant will not be a public burden. The complicated application process and exorbitant fees with documentation and court records verifying good behavior will preclude easy approval. Application costs of more than $5000. excluding lawyer fees would bring us closer to a balanced budget.
“Those who lean towards social Darwinism notions should not complain when the weak come and bash their skulls in one day”
I didn’t say the Unions were worth it or they were right, you just run down a slippery slope of no worker rights at all if you get rid of Unions. The corporations don’t want just Unions gone, they want to have US workers that are like Chinese workers.
Organizing is not unconstitutional, therefore it shouldn’t be illegal without a constitutional amendment. People in the USA always want to “outlaw” everything they don’t like, using the strong arm tactics of government = fascist.
And, I am a business owner. You know how you avoid Unions problems? Pay people a fair wage. CEO pay being as far ahead of the actual workers as it is is akin to robbery, like the days of the robber barons. If they want unreasonable wages, you show them the numbers. If they don’t like it, pink slips. &, that goes for the Unions AND the CEOs.
Oh, and you know how I get rid of worker complaints about wages vs. work?
I work harder than any employee, therefore no 1 can say I don’t “deserve” what I earn.
But, my pay is not 300x anyone else’s. That would be OK if I worked 300x harder than everyone else, but that’s fucking impossible, unless I have the world’s laziest employees or I am superhuman. Also, if my pay was obscene, how do I reinvest in the company? Everyone wants to limit Union or lower worker pay, but no limit on upper management? You either have no limits or limit all. Can’t have both.
Unions would have no power at all if not for the threat of violence. ~IW
Bullshirt.
Unions do not work for the employees.
unlike you, I know the agreements made.
all else is orchestrated
Also, if my pay was obscene, how do I reinvest in the company? -EM
Pay a wage that your employee can buy your product while also buying other products [food/rent/electricity/water]
It seems to me that large providers are in battle while forgetting the buyer of your product. and once salted neither prevails.
I AM CAUGHT IN A BATTLE FOR BOTTOM LINE PROFIT THOUGH I CANNOT AFFORD TO WORK FOR ANY AND EXPECT TO PAY ALL
Abolish all unions. America will see the benefits soon. I repeat, ABOLISH ALL UNIONS! They’re a disease that plagues every working American person.