ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL

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Seattle Considering $1.6 Million Facial Recognition Surveillance System

http://rt.com/usa/seattle-surveillance-dhs-grant-943/

Privacy advocates in the Pacific Northwest are squaring off with local police over plans to install a system that would link surveillance camera video with databases containing photographs of hundreds of thousands of area residents.In Seattle, Washington, the City Council will soon decide on whether or not they should approve an ordinance that green-lights a $1.6 million federal grant, a large chunk of which will be used to purchase sophisticated facial recognition software that supporters of the measure say would help stop crime.Those Department of Homeland Security dollars would let the Seattle police pay for software that digitally scans surveillance camera footage and then tries to match images of the individuals caught on tape with any one of the 350,000-or-so people who have been photographed previously by King County, Washington law enforcement.

“An officer has to reasonably believe that a person has been involved in a crime or committed a crime” before they begin to use the program, Assistant Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best told KIRO-TV this week

Once the facial recognition software is initiated, though, it scours a collection containing close to a half-a-million area residents — including many who may never have been convicted of a crime.

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Welshman
Welshman

Yes Seattle, this is for your own good really and it will make you safer, you stupid fucks. The police state cometh.

Thinker

Just an idea for any entrepreneurs frequenting this site… if you have the knowledge and talent to develop clothing that jams signals, scrambles video’s ability to see a person’s face or anything like that, you stand to make a fortune in the near future.

Or maybe face masks and bandanas will come back into fashion.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

It may be Orwellian, but I’m not sure the facial rcognition system itself is unconstitutional. It doesn’t seem like a search or a seizure of anyone’s home, person or effects. Between facial recognition, cell phone tower tracking, continual city-wide drone scanning, soon-to-be mandated vehicle GPS tracking (ostensibly to support a mileage tax that will supplant a gasoline tax), much cheaper and faster DNA testing, we could soon be at the point where any serious violent crime could be solved. But only if they want to. I plan on doing all of my murdering on foot, without my phone on cloudy days.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer

“It doesn’t seem like a search or a seizure of anyone’s home, person or effects.”

It is a search of a person’s face. The camera deliberately targets the face then SEARCHES through an existing database of faces to find a match. Not sure how that “doesn’t seem like a search” to you, but by a dictionary definiton that is precisely what it is.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

You have to have probable cause, followed up with a warrant, supported by an oath and specifically describing the person. A general sweep of everyone without cause, sans warrant, without an oath is as clearly unconstitutional as it gets, but of course if the folks enforcing the Constitution are the ones vioating it, then its a moot point.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED

I guess I’ll start wearing my Alfred E. Neuman mask…..What, Me Worry ?

Stucky

“An officer has to reasonably believe that a person has been involved in a crime or committed a crime” before they begin to use the program ….” ————- from the article

“reasonably believe” ……….. weasel words that will open the floodgates. There are literally thousands of felonies and misdemeanors on the books. How difficult will it be for a copuk to find something, anything, against you? Easier than a copfuk eating a donut.

How many people on the City Council? Always amazes me how a mere handful of fuckers controls the entire population. So much for being a Democracy.

harry p.

you can buy a guy fawkes mask for $4.99

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Thinker

Hell, yeah!

Wyoming Mike
Wyoming Mike

“An officer has to reasonably believe that a person has been involved in a crime or committed a crime” Of course, and these assholes reasonably believe anything they want that gets them where they want to go.

AWD

Our tax dollars at work. They need to constantly know where you are so the drones won’t miss with “citizen buster” missiles. And just because the DHS has 2.9 billion round of ammo, enough to kill every American 8.7 times, doesn’t mean they need to shoot you in the face, but it helps.

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Stucky

WEAR SUNGLASSES!! Seriously … face recognition systems work on Symmetry Avoid symmetry, and focus on obscuring the area around your eyes.

All these would work (any similarity to Clammy is purely coincidental)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2010/09/27/how-to-hide-your-face-from-big-brother-try-sunglasses/

Thinker

Hairstyles of the future:

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Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Hardscrabble,

I’m still not sure that analyzing the light that bounces off of someone’s face in public constitutes a search. Kyllo v US might be a good analogy – and would buttress your opinion that it’s a search. Justice Stevens argued in the dissent that heat emissions from a home enter the public domain, so that using an infrared camera on a house would (is his opinion) not be a search that required a warrant. Scalia argued (in the majority) that it was a view into the house, therefore a search, therefore requiring a warrant. Arguably using infrared is qualitatively different than analyzing the visible light spectrum. People can’t see infrared. Computer analysis of faces is only quantitatively different from a human seeing a face and recognizing a criminal suspect (because of the scale of analysis that can be accomplished). Is that analysis so quantitatively different from normal human vision and analysis as to be qualitatively different? And is there any expectation of privacy when walking around in public? It should be an interesting SCOTUS case. Kyllo didn’t break on the normal ideological lines.

AWD

That’s priceless. Millennials in Ukraine protesting for change. Millennials in the USSA with their heads so far up Obama’s ass they can taste what he ate for lunch. So, it’s not the generational issue, it’s just that American millennials are retarded commies.

Peaceout
Peaceout

Whether this type of surveillance is legal or or not is not material to the idea that it is just another step towards further government control or as Admin notes in the thread title ‘another brick in the wall’. In general principal it is fucked up and bullshit.

TeresaE
TeresaE

@Iska, I did not know of that ruling, but doubt it truly matters as the DEA and Michigan State Police continue to search homes and factories for “unusual heat signatures.”

The “law” no longer means anything to us citizens, it only means something to the agents of the state when they use it against us.

Or am I the only one that has noticed the complete disregard for our “rights” by every freaking cop agency in this country?

What is legal, or not, is moot and fluid.

What is moral, and Constitutional, never changes.

This shit is neither moral, nor Constitutional, but because for today they are only using it against “criminals” that a majority would call criminal, it is excused.

Tomorrow, when the crime is the posting you made on TBP, or FB, then the people may realize their errors.

But I doubt it, we truly are a nation of sheep led by wolves in shepherds’ clothing.

NIck A
NIck A

Iska – rather than “doing your murdering on foot” – go by bike – faster, pretty silent, and with the possibilities provided by front and back panniers – plenty of room to carry whatever “implements” you may need to accomplish the task in hand!

Invest in a set of night goggles, an IR torch, and voila – “long-range stealth assassin!”

llpoh
llpoh

My wife and I were discussing the rumors that Homeland Insecurity is intending to track license plates so as to be able to keep a record of everywhere anyone has ever been.

In the end I said it was bullshit – there are easier ways, and so it will be.

What is far more likely is that all of your ID, and your vehicle, will have an RFID device embedded. And they will mount readers everywhere – much simpler than trying to read license plates, translate the data, etc. Your RFID will ping the reader, which will simply record your “Mark of the Beast” against time and location, and the info will be filed in your folder, for a permanent record of every place you have ever been.

You will be forced to carry devices that will allow you to be tracked EVERYWHERE you go. The devices will be embedded in your ID – drivers license, credit cards, passports. You will be tracked and every step you take will be recorded.

I am certain of it.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED

LLPOH…I have a RFID destroyer….it’s called a hammer…works every time .

llpoh
llpoh

Buckhed – this is the size we are now talking about. Good luck getting rid of these motherfuckers:

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llpoh
llpoh

“RFID chips are also a source for increasing controversy surrounding issues of privacy. An RFID chip can be used to track the location of unsuspecting individuals who have bought products that include RFID tags in their package.”

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Nicknamed “Powder” or “Dust”, these chips consist of 128-bit ROM (Read Only Memory) that can store a 38-digit number. Hitachi says the distance between each circuit element was reduced using the Silicon-on-Insulator (SOI) process, where an insulation layer and a monocrystalline silicon layer are formed upon the silicon base substrate, and the transistor is then formed on this SOI substrate. When compared to the conventional process where a transistor is formed directly upon the silicon substrate, this technology significantly reduces parasitic capacitance and current leakage, improving the transistor’s performance. The SOI process also prevents the interference between neighboring devices, which often causes product malfunctions. Thanks to an insulator surrounding each device, Hitachi experts say that even when the devices are in close proximity, higher integration is achieved on an even smaller area.

“The surface area of the new chips was reduced to a quarter of the original 0.3 x 0.3 mm, 60µm-thick chip developed by Hitachi in 2003. The company says that developments in thin chip fabrication technology enabled the significant decrease in width – to one-eighth of that of the previous model. With more chips that can be fabricated on a single wafer, productivity was increased by over four times, and Hitachi expects this will open the way to new applications for wireless RFID chips.”

!/4 of .3 x.3 = .075 millimeters square.

Motherfuckers. That is approximately 1/300 of an inch square. Compete with external antenna.

Your hammer is worthless against these things. They will be imbedded everywhere.

AKAnon
AKAnon

RFIDs can be tiny indeed, and also damn tough. There have been experimental features in which batches of asphalt concrete (blacktop pavement) are tracked for QA purposes by including RFIDs into the mix. This means surviving 300+ degrees F, mixing with gravel, and being compacted (within said gravel matrix) with steel drum rollers. They lose a few during construction, but the vast majority survive.

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