IT’S WORSE THAN YOU THOUGHT

By 2023, Obamacare is estimated to cost $1.7 trillion, all to sign up 4.2 million people, most of which already had health insurance? Extrapolating out, if my math is correct, that’s over $400,000 of spending per Obamacare enrollee. I guess that’s pretty cheap. When the government creates “jobs” it usually cost more than a million per job created. And more people have had their health insurance policies cancelled than have signed up for Obamacare.

And we’re destroying the healthcare system so 4.3 million people now have coverage?

Obama has already pissed away billions on his community organizer cronies, who supposedly signed up people for Obamacare. He’s pissed away hundreds of millions of your tax dollars on TV commercials, many so bad they could be Saturday Night Live skits.

And you haven’t seen anything yet. States that DID sign up for the Medicaid expansion are going to have to raise taxes dramatically to pay for all the new Medicaid (free health insurance and meds) recipients, because states have to kick in at least 30% of medicaid spending before they get Federal funds. No mention of this by Obama or the MSM.

Sound like a nightmare? It’s only the beginning. Just wait till after the 2014 elections…..You ain’t seen nothing yet…..

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CURL: We overhauled U.S. health care — to insure 4.2 million people?

By Joseph Curl The Washington Times Sunday, March 16, 2014

The number bounced around for years — 46 million.

President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.”

The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance.

It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.”

So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it.

But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured.

“It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.”

Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?

While the president has opted to press class warfare and income inequality in the weeks leading up to the Obamacare sign-up cutoff date of March 31, he has made an effort to enroll the people most needed to make the federal program work: the young.

He did an ask-me-anything on Reddit.com, popped up on “Between Two Ferns” with Zach Galifianakis, introduced a segment on the popular show “Cosmos,” even invited ‘N Sync singer Lance Bass to the White House to “discuss” health care.

But the young have not flocked to the Web page to sign up for insurance that, even with a hefty federal subsidy, will still cost them more than not paying anything. And anyone with teenagers or 20-somethings knows that they don’t do anything unless they’re absolutely forced to (Zach didn’t actually tell them to go sign up, just the pushy president, again).

What’s more, it turns out many of those signing up to the program already had insurance. “Few uninsured Americans are gaining coverage under Obamacare,” CNN reported in early March. Just 27 percent of the enrollees were previously uninsured, according to a survey conducted in February by McKinsey & Co.

To top it all off, reports have emerged that many of the enrollees are more elderly and more unhealthy, which is likely to tax the system heavily just as it gets started.

What’s surprising is how little the mainstream media cares. The White House now says it was hoping to enroll 8 million in the first year — but does anyone remember that being a big selling point as the president crisscrossed the country scaring Americans? And no one in the MSM blinked an eye when the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said that in 2023, Obamacare will still have left 31 million people without health insurance while adding more than $1.7 trillion in federal spending.

In a wonderfully timed plea, Mr. Obama is asking Americans to give him money so that he can push his signature policy.

“Chip in before it’s too late. What we do right now determines how aggressive we can make our final push for health care this month.” You can give $15 or $5,000. But your president is begging: “Make a donation — and let’s finish what we started.”

With just 4.2 million of the 46 million uninsured Americans enrolled, it seems Obamacare is already finished before it started.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/#ixzz2wErLXgSI

And for all the little people (the one’s with jobs), health insurance premiums are doubling and tripling….

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bluestem
bluestem

Lets ” Make a donation????????????” Right, Donation my arse. John

Realestatepup
Realestatepup

My husband and I currently donate over 35K a year in taxes, we’re good.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic

Preaching to the choir here, AWD.
Obamacare is a pile of shit, we all know that. I don’t believe it was ever intended to solve anything and I don’t believe there is a chance in hell of seeing the government hold itself together for ten more years anyway.

Your in the medical field, as are a lot of others who post here, what do you think is the real problem? How DO we fix the medical system in this country? Got any solutions?

MuckAbout

@AWD: As a geezer around this place, I can illustrate why “non-profit” health providers do not exist.

I’ve been treated for the last year and half for lymphoma – chemo and now a mono-clonal antibody treatment.. I see the bills as paid by Medicare and by my Medigap provider.

The Cancer Center charges $9,000 Medicare for a single 100 mg of Rituxamab, Medicare (which pays providers their actual costs + overhead) pays them 80% of “approved” charges )in this case, $4,100 for a 100 mg dose. My Medigap covers the other 20% of “approved charges.

Why does the non-profit cancer center double the charges for the drug? So it can write off the excess above and beyond the “approved” amount to insure it stays “non-profit”.

Seems I remember the Board of the “non-profit” hospital split $22,000,000.00 in bonuses last years. Between 5 people.

The entire system is total humbug but making it “non-profit” is like jumping down the rabbit hole with Alice as far as “fixing” things are concerned..

MA

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic

I have read many a rant on the market ticker on drug prices and the like. I’ve also read numerous articles depicting Obama’s repeated attempts to prevent ANY altering of drug import laws. I have heard reports on NPR that companies in Europe sell locally for cost and sell to the US at 500% markup.

I’m under the impression that the main reason Europe can have their universal healthcare is because it gets subsidized by American healthcare. Is there any truth to this?

Is the US funding the research and development for drugs and technology so that the rest of the world can have lower prices?

PeaceOut
PeaceOut

Donation? Yeah good one where do I sign up for that stupid shit, what a freakin tool!

PeaceOut
PeaceOut

Donation? Yeah good one where do I sign up for that stupid shit, what a freakin tool!

Nonanonymous

How many Basichs are out there with how many $M in claims? This should keep the courts busy for years. At least until the collapse, and the insurance companies will be sitting pretty, having diversified their investments across the strata. Why isn’t investment income used to lower insurance premiums?

No one will argue the system could be tweaked to work for everyone, and no one will argue it has been tweaked to work only for the elite, and the FSA, depending on how far you want to take the analogy.

Where the break down occurs is when the elite assume they can act with impunity, and their will be no consequences. When exploitation of the earth’s resources has reached it’s zenith, what then?

“As it is written,

“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.” (Romans 8:36-37 ESV)

Given a choice, I will take my chances with the Lord God Almighty, and in the power of his might. Tough choice, right. It’s easy when you have nothing to lose. It’s tougher when you’re in a position of power and you have a difficult decision to make between right and wrong. At least Edward Snowden, and PFC Bradley Manning made the right decisions.

[Queue theme from Cops]

ss
ss

Someone commented that many who post here are in the healthcare field. I am not.

Regardless, we will NEVER get healthcare costs under control for two reasons :

1. People who eat too much, eat the wrong things, and don’t exercise even moderately every day. This is a majority of citizens – excluding those with preexisting conditions.
2. Even if almost everyone in our country miraculously did all the right things and got themselves in shape, the big HMO’s would still demand their profits – and would keep rates high anyway to reach their profits targets to please investors, pump up stock values, etc. They will always get their way thanks to our political puppets known as democrats and republicans bought and paid for.

It really isn’t any more complicated than this is it?

sensetti
sensetti

Free market system is always the answer

sensetti
sensetti

Send Admin $19.95 and get one ten-pak of obamacare buttons to pass out to all your friends. Hurry while supplies last, they are going quick!,

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Punk in Drublic

I have a customer, who is a die hard liberal, that asks me every time I show up if I’ve gotten health insurance yet. Every time I give the same answer. No, just gonna pay the fine.

It’s not that I can’t afford it.

It’s not that I think I’m invincible.

It’s because I don’t believe that the health insurance business model is viable. Not without the medical system being fixed. Costs are too damn high and continue to grow, more and more people getting sicker and sicker, the problems that required the ACA “reform” still persist.

I’m 34. My expected health care costs for the next decade are close to zero. If I purchase health insurance now, I will be paying into the system for a decade or more before I expect to start pulling benefits. Will my health insurance be around to pay for my medical bills by then? I don’t think so.

Today she suggested that I just get a little “catastrophic coverage”, because she worries about me driving around without insurance. I didn’t bother to tell her those are “substandard plans” and are being / have been phased out.

underfire
underfire

At this point I’d be happy if O just didn’t screw anything else up. Probably too late, but trying to make the best of what we got left.

underfire
underfire

Full disclosure, I’m an idiot. Just ask any of my family or friends. While I never voted for O, I’ve always tried to support him, give him the benefit of the doubt and all that. My 94 year old father, somewhat senile and rarely political, was right. He said electing O was spelling big trouble.

sensetti
sensetti

Punk in Drublic says: I have a customer, who is a die hard liberal, that asks me every time I show up if I’ve gotten health insurance yet. Every time I give the same answer. No, just gonna pay the fine.

Punk is going to end up in Obamacare jail. Don’t worry punk we’ll send you cigarettes.

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Punk in Drublic

Only if I need to go to the hospital. I’ll have to drive over to AWD’s house for my colonoscopy.

llpoh
llpoh

Punk – I remember how Smokey used to give you one of those every week. You should be good for a while yet.

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Punk in Drublic

Threatened to jam an 11,5 inch python up there if I didn’t get my act together. And I stuck my head up there on the race realism thread… So far so good.

Bruce
Bruce

Ever since that gutter scum LBJ they have all been bad to various degrees but that fucking Bush Monkey was the worst……….that is until we got the Ojackulator who now has out Bushed the Bush Monkey for doing stupid anti human evil things at every level except maybe to the top .0001%

Think things are bad now? Just wait until we get the next guy. Think no one can be worse than Ofucker. Think again. You’ll know their name soon enough. But rest assured every nation on earth and every person who lives under a centrally planned order of some kind is fucked right along with us.

Maybe there is no solution and no way to fix all the nasty governments infesting the planet. That’s probably the case. So then the only thing to do is abolish them, destroy them, forbid them and replace them with nothing. This is 2014 already. We have excellent ways to trade, communicate and organize to solve problems with out the burden and expense of central planning and the tyrannical enforcement of centrally planed one size fits all idiocy. But that’s idealistic. A fantasy that will never happen.

So what can we do? Nothing……… because Anarchy is the way of the future. When the shit hits the fan it will be a natural. Every one will play if they want to or not. The idol watching Facebook addicted morons, the obese, the sick, the very old, the very young, the system dependent and cow faced sheeple will die out fast except for the few who are the beneficiaries of fortunate circumstance. …………and they’re gone. What will be left is the long grim struggle between the gangs, the outlaws and the goon groups against everyone one else that’s left. How that all works out is anybody’s guess. But its unlikely to lead to some kind of new golden age. Most probable is that we Mad Max our way into oblivion.

We can see it all unfolding before our very eyes. Economic problems that if one can do a little math are sure to blow apart like a nuke at some point. Social unrest all over the world for the past few years and growing in size and frequency. Changing climatic conditions that no one is actually planning for or adapting to other than finding ways to tax the problem like that will make it go away.

Now add in a little famine, starving populations, bloody battle like riots, racial and religious conflict, the to big to fail meeting the not afraid to die, redneck rampages, murderous TPTB hunting and the blow back from that, fanatical freak outs with war mongering and tyrannical law making doing business as usual like everything will get better by military force or political decree. Plus we can mix in the occasional man made and natural disasters that no one is prepared for or can afford to deal with.

On top of all that we have the mega billions in places like China and India eating up all the food and using up all the resources everyone else needs like they were fat over consuming Americans or something. There’s lots more bad shit to add, the list is very long. But this is the basic volatile mix we have in the world right now just waiting for some sparks. Its like mankind has built a dam to hold back a little pond of headaches and expects it to hold back an ocean of problems. And the waves of that ocean grow by the day. That dam is surely going to burst. It might be that only some kind of modern day techno Noah or rambo type Ut- napishtim might survive it.

It’s a lot worse than you thought and then a lot more worse than that. No matter if it be the hand of God, a natural event or one human fuck up too many that set’s things off we are doomed and doomed real fucking hard. Then we will be doomed some more and rat fucked daily by the events after we’ve been doomed.

But have a great day today because that is still entirely possible, opportunity still abounds, and the spring sun shine still warms your back. As for me I’m going to unfurl the Jolly Rodger in the morning just as I have been everyday since last summer and plunder a rich and as of yet unguarded shore over yonder. Life is good until it’s not, your dead or doomed..

Balzytch
Balzytch

O-Care premiums to skyrocket

By Elise Viebeck March 19, 2014, 06:00 am

Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration.

The expected rate hikes will be announced in the coming months amid an intense election year, when control of the Senate is up for grabs. The sticker shock would likely bolster the GOP’s prospects in November and hamper ObamaCare insurance enrollment efforts in 2015.

The industry complaints come less than a week after Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sought to downplay concerns about rising premiums in the healthcare sector. She told lawmakers rates would increase in 2015 but grow more slowly than in the past.

“The increases are far less significant than what they were prior to the Affordable Care Act,” the secretary said in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee.

Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.

“It’s pretty shortsighted because I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.

The insurance official, who hails from a populous swing state, said his company expects to triple its rates next year on the ObamaCare exchange.

The hikes are expected to vary substantially by region, state and carrier.

Areas of the country with older, sicker or smaller populations are likely to be hit hardest, while others might not see substantial increases at all.

Several major companies have been bullish on the healthcare law as a growth opportunity. With investors, especially, the firms downplay the consequences of more older, sicker enrollees in the risk pool.

Much will depend on how firms are coping with the healthcare law’s raft of new fees and regulatory restrictions, according to another industry official.

Some insurers initially underpriced their policies to begin with, expecting to raise rates in the second year.

Others, especially in larger states, will continue to hold rates low in order to remain competitive.

But insurance officials are quick to emphasize that any spikes would be a consequence of delays and changes in ObamaCare’s rollout.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/201136-obamacare-premiums-are-about-to-skyrocket#ixzz2wQIMMSon

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