Well there was another mass shooting at Fort Hood yesterday. The liberals will be wringing their hands over the ease at which people can acquire guns. We surely need tougher gun laws. Obama gave an incomprehensible sound bite about how sad he was over the shooting. Without a teleprompter he is a blithering idiot. The compliant MSM and local news stations dutifully reported the false storyline that he had trouble with another soldier that caused him to shoot 19 people and himself. Obama, the military, the Fox News neo-cons, and the MSM in general will not report the true story. The Obama haters are already blaming his “gutting” of the military budget. What a joke these people are.
Only people who have completely snapped, shoot 19 people randomly. If this guy had a problem with a specific soldier he would have killed that soldier. That storyline is complete and utter bullshit. This guy was already being treated for mental illness. He got fucked up in the head in Iraq. He had PTSD or some mental illness caused by fighting a war with no mission and no clear enemy. He either snapped due to this mental illness OR he snapped due to the Psychotropic Drugs they were feeding him. Of course, they will never blame the drugs because that would affect the profits of the drug makers. Virtually every mass shooting in the last ten years was committed by men taking these drugs.
These people are more casualties of our wars of choice in the Middle East. The Iraq and Afghan wars will be the gifts that keep on giving for decades. The total monetary cost will exceed $6 trillion and the human tragedy will be incalculable. Bush and Obama have the victims blood on their hands.
FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) — An Iraq War veteran being treated for mental illness opened fire Wednesday on fellow service members at the Fort Hood military base, killing three people and wounding 16 before committing suicide at the same post where more than a dozen people were slain in a 2009 attack, authorities said.
The shooter apparently walked into a building and began firing a .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol. He then got into a vehicle and continued firing before entering another building.
He was eventually confronted by military police in a parking lot. As he came within 20 feet of an officer, the gunman put his hands up but then reached under his jacket and pulled out his gun. The officer drew her own weapon, and the suspect put his gun to his head and pulled the trigger a final time, according to Lt. Gen. Mark A. Milley, senior officer on the base.
Lucy Hamlin and her husband, Spc. Timothy Hamlin, wait for permission to re-enter the Fort Hood military base, where they live, following a shooting on base on Wednesday, April 2, 2014, in Fort Hood, Texas. One person was killed and 14 injured in the shooting, and officials at the base said the shooter is believed to be dead. The details about the number of people hurt came from two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the information by name. (AP Photo/ Tamir Kalifa)
The gunman, who served in Iraq for four months in 2011, had sought help for depression, anxiety and other problems. Before the attack, he had been undergoing an assessment to determine whether he had post-traumatic stress disorder, Milley said.
The married suspect had arrived at Fort Hood in February from another base in Texas. He was taking medication, and there were reports that he had complained after returning from Iraq about suffering a traumatic brain injury, Milley said. The commander did not elaborate.
The gunman was never wounded in action, according to military records, Milley said.
There was no indication the attack was related to terrorism, Milley said.
The military declined to identify the gunman until his family members had been notified. Texas Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said he was named Ivan Lopez but offered no other details.
The weapon had been purchased recently in the local area and was not registered to be on the base, Milley said.
Late Wednesday, investigators had already started looking into whether Lopez’s combat experience caused lingering psychological trauma. Among the possibilities they planned to explore was whether a fight or argument on the base triggered the attack.
“We have to find all those witnesses, the witnesses to every one of those shootings, and find out what his actions were, and what was said to the victims,” said a federal law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case by name.
The official said authorities would begin by speaking with Lopez’s wife and expected to search his home and any computers he owned.
The injured were taken to the base hospital and other local hospitals. At least three of the nine patients at Scott and White Hospital in Temple were listed in critical condition.
Wednesday’s attack immediately revived memories of the shocking 2009 assault on Fort Hood, which was the deadliest attack on a domestic military installation in U.S. history. Thirteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded.
Until an all-clear siren sounded hours after Wednesday’s shooting began, relatives of soldiers waited anxiously for news about their loved ones.
“The last two hours have been the most nerve-wracking I’ve ever felt,” said Tayra DeHart, 33, who had earlier heard from her husband that he was safe but was waiting to hear from him again.
Brooke Conover, whose husband was on base at the time of the shooting, said she found out about it while checking Facebook. She immediately called her husband, Staff Sgt. Sean Conover.
“I just want him to come home,” Conover said.
President Barack Obama vowed that investigators would get to the bottom of the shooting.
In a hastily arranged statement in Chicago, Obama reflected on the sacrifices that troops stationed at Fort Hood have made — including enduring multiple tours to Iraq and Afghanistan.
“They serve with valor. They serve with distinction, and when they’re at their home base, they need to feel safe,” Obama said. “We don’t yet know what happened tonight, but obviously that sense of safety has been broken once again.”
The president spoke in the same room of a steakhouse where he had just met with about 25 donors at a previously scheduled fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee.
The November 2009 attack happened inside a crowded building where soldiers were waiting to get vaccines and routine paperwork after recently returning from deployments or preparing to go to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Army psychiatrist Nidal Hasan was convicted and sentenced to death last year in that mass shooting. He said he acted to protect Islamic insurgents abroad from American aggression.
According to testimony during Hasan’s trial last August, Hasan walked inside carrying two weapons and several loaded magazines, shouted “Allahu Akbar!” — Arabic for “God is great!” — and opened fire with a handgun.
The rampage ended when Hasan was shot in the back by Fort Hood police officers. He was paralyzed from the waist down and is now on death row at the military prison at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas.
After that shooting, the military tightened security at bases nationwide. Those measures included issuing security personnel long-barreled weapons, adding an insider-attack scenario to their training and strengthening ties to local law enforcement. The military also joined an FBI intelligence-sharing program aimed at identifying terror threats.
In September, a former Navy man opened fire at the Washington Navy Yard, leaving 13 people dead, including the gunman. After that shooting, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered the Pentagon to review security at all U.S. defense installations worldwide and examine the granting of security clearances that allow access to them.
Asked Wednesday about security improvements in the wake of the shootings, Hagel said, “Obviously when we have these kinds of tragedies on our bases, something’s not working.”
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The oligarchs wave the flag and call 18year olds patriots. Then they give them guns and send them to do the ,01% Mafia dirty work. They don`t care about the men in uniform as long as they do the dirty work. It has been that way since the beginning of the human race.
Meanwhile GOPpers plot the induction of millions more Citizen Lopers via military service..
GOPES!
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/04/02/search-for-active-shooter-on-fort-hood-base/
House Republicans are quietly working to insert immigration legislation into the text of the Department of Defense authorization bill that would allow so-called DREAMers to obtain permanent legal residency by joining the military, Breitbart News has learned.
The language, which if successful would mark the first effort by House Republicans to provide any form of amnesty since the GOP took control of the House in 2010, has set off a panic among top immigration hawks that the effort could open an immigration Pandora’s box, paving the way for broader legislation.
Sophomore Republican Rep. Jeff Denham of California, a close ally of GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy, is leading the push to add the text of his “ENLIST Act” into the National Defense Authorization Act, which could come to the House floor as early as next month.
The effort, which has not previously been reported, is fairly advanced, and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte – who killed the proposal as an amendment to last year’s NDAA in a dramatic floor struggle – is weighing whether to approve the maneuver, which would circumvent his committee on one of its key matters of jurisdiction.
I drove past the Ft. Hood gates this last week. If you’ve never been there, it’s hard to imagine what an incredibly huge place it is, and exactly how many people both in and out of uniform are involved with its upkeep and support, and likewise derive their living from the place.
For instance, I know a counselor, an MSW type, who lives in Austin but rents an apartment up there during the week because he makes his living now trying to work with these screwed up kids who have had their lives shattered. There are a lot of them.
Ft. Hood is its own city, and then there is the strip center/strip club “town” outside the gates. It is far from any real town, and has about as much culture as the Thirty Blocks. To me it is a weird and desolate place. It depresses me to drive by there.
I’m surprised they don’t have more violence.
If everyone would have ducked, they’d still be alive.
The primary common denominator to this and similar shootings, whether military or not, is the sustained use of psychotic modification drugs. Regardless, of the brand name, the effects of their use are consistent. How many more of our young people, that are prescribed these drugs to treat mental and emotional ‘issues’, are we as a society willing to sacrifice for the benefit of big pharma’s bottom line. When are we going to pursue the core problem that started the problem in the first place rather than focus on the means used to carry out the final act?
The gun did not put these individuals in the mental state to commit these horrendous actions. What did? Figure that out and then take actions accordingly. Until then all the discussion about guns being the problem in these cases is just mindless bullshit.
This is just one of the results of being in an extended state of war! What do you expect from men who have been torn from their families over and over again to go fight a faux-war. War used to be about solving problems. Now it’s just Big Business.
Having said that, I live 15 miles from Ft. Hood. The local news states that the 34 year old soldier
was in Iraq for only 4 months in 2008 and was a truck driver. It’s not likely that he was suffering from PTSD from that assignment. However, it does appear that he was suffering from some type of depression and was being treated (?) for it with meds. We may never know the whole and true story, but regardless — it’s another sad tragedy that should have been prevented but wasn’t.
All of Central Texas supports Ft. Hood and the troops there in all types of ways and interact with them whenever possible to support them and their families, especially in times like this.
EPIDEMIC: At Least 22 Veterans Commit Suicide Each Day…
How Can Government Battle a ‘Suicide Epidemic’ Among Veterans?
The Fort Hood shooting is an extreme and shocking example of what has become a chronic concern for the military: soldiers with mental-health problems taking their own lives.
And it’s not just the active-duty military who face what has become an increasingly daunting problem.
At least 22 veterans commit suicide each day, according to the Veterans Affairs Department. This adds up to more than 2,000 veterans killing themselves so far this year alone, and the military community is facing what advocates refer to as a suicide epidemic.
To help address the growing problem, Democratic Sen. John Walsh of Montana introduced legislation last week that includes provisions to force the Pentagon to reexamine troops who were discharged for PTSD-related behaviors—which can include nightmares, flashbacks, changes in personality, sleeping disorders, and suicidal thoughts.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/mike-mccaul-fort-hood-105334.html?hp=l1_b1
No shit, Sherlock! As unbelievable as it is, Ft. Hood is a gun-free zone. Soldiers trained in everything from handguns, to battle rifles to M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks can’t carry a handgun on base. I say let them carry (openly if you don’t like them being “sneaky” with concealed carry) and defend themselves.
Amazing, the Food Hood publicity, but 22 vets murder themselves every day and not a word out of the MSM.
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Fort Hood shooting suspect was treated for depression, officials say
Accused shooter has no record of combat injuries
By Devlin Barrett, Julian E. Barnes and Nathan Koppel
Top Army leaders said Thursday the accused shooter at Fort Hood had no record of combat injuries but was undergoing treatment for depression, anxiety and sleep problems.
Admin
He was taking Ambien
That shit fucked me up after one week and I took the lowest possible dose available.
I take no pills or any kind, nor have I ever except under acute illness. I do however take medicinal alcohol.
I notice the Ft. Hood museum has a WW2 Japanese light tank, which is really more of a mobile pillbox rather than a tank. That thing would come in handy if it came time to take on the copfuk APC’s.
2014-04-03 08:15 by Karl Denninger
How About Some Perspective?
Gee, there’s no pattern here, right?
An Iraq War veteran being treated for a mental illness opened fire Wednesday at Fort Hood, killing three soldiers and injuring 16 before killing himself, officials said
Army Lt. Gen. Mark Milley, the senior officer at the facility, said at an evening news conference that there was no indication of terrorism, but added “we’re not ruling anything out.” Fort Hood is the same base where in 2009 U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan killed more than a dozen in the shooting.
Authorities identified Wednesday’s shooter as Spc. Ivan Lopez, 34. He was armed with a .45 caliber Smith & Wesson and turned the gun on himself when confronted by a female military police officer in a parking lot.
This sucks.
Let’s just take the current reporting at face value; this was someone who was suffering from mental instability and “went postal”, murdering three and injuring 16 before killing himself when confronted by a MP in a parking lot. It’s probably a fair bet he was on psychotropic medication of some sort, given that there are reports he was under treatment for a mental disturbance.
What did Obama say?
CHICAGO – President Barack Obama vowed that investigators will get to the bottom of a shooting incident Wednesday at Fort Hood, Texas, seeking to reassure the nation whose sense of security once again has been shaken by mass violence.
Oh really? So we trust our military members to use violence (and carry the means of dispensing it, both offensively and defensively) when overseas on deployment, but right here at home, on their own base, they are denied the fundamental human right to defend their own person in the gravest extreme.
Never mind the obvious fallacy here:
McHugh says the soldier was examined by a psychiatrist last month and was found to show no violent or suicidal tendencies. He says the soldier had been prescribed Ambien to deal with a sleeping problem.
Ah, another profession that has a job performance accuracy percentage that seems to run about the same as “weatherman.”
Oh, and about that Ambien — listed among the possible (but less-likely or rare) side effects:
•paranoia
•quick to react or overreact emotionally
•rapidly changing moods
•seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there
•Attack, assault, or force
•delusions
•dementia
•thoughts of killing oneself or changes in behavior
That’s a partial list, of course — picking on the ones that might be relevant…. and that’s assuming there weren’t any other psychiatric drugs involved here as well.
But leaving aside whether a pharmaceutical frankenstein monster was involved, something we can probably never know with certainty, we again we have a shining example of why trusting the police to protect us (or you) fails. It fails even in a place where one would expect to be safer than pretty-much anywhere else on the planet — a US military facility in the United States.
It fails because the security model, that of a dedicated (and competent, in this case!) force of trained police cannot possibly be everywhere at once, and yet you have to be everywhere at once to stop these sorts of events in the shortest amount of time with the fewest casualties because there are some small percentage of people who are either*****ed off enough or insane enough to do things like this, and so long as that number is not zero these sort of incidents can and will occasionally happen.
“They serve with valor, they serve with distinction and when they’re at their home base, they need to feel safe,” Obama said. “We don’t yet know what happened tonight, but obviously that sense of safety has been broken once again.”
Mr. President, those serving our country today may not be able to say this publicly lest they face disciplinary action but I can and will: You are a 5-alarm JACKASS.
If there is one place that our military damn well ought to be able to carry personal defensive weapons openly or concealed on an unrestricted basis it is on a US military base! We trust these men and women literally with our lives; they fly combat aircraft over my home and community every single day as just one example.
Yet these same airmen and women, and all of those on the ground who make what they do possible along with all other branches of the military, are denied by executive fiat the fundamental human right of self-defense when faced with someone who has gone insane, irrespective of the reason for their insanity, and instead of defending themselves are forced to place their faith and trust in that which is physically impossible.
The tragic consequences of our government’s jackbooted bull**** — a load of crap that I argue is evidence of a mental illness called “liberalism” — is once again on full public and tragic display.
There is, of course, no reason at all to believe that the shooter would not have managed to shoot and possibly kill someone irrespective of how many servicemen and women were armed at Ft. Hood.
But that’s not the point.
The point is that this person, whatever his motivation, got several free shots at targets that could not shoot back because they had been disarmed by the policies of our government. At the same time these are the very people that we trust to properly and sanely use lethal force against others in the field when it becomes necessary. Indeed, we trust them not only to use said force in self-defense but also to advance the goals of the United States in foreign lands.
The majority of my friends and associates in this area are active duty military personnel, retired military or civilians that serve our nation in support of same. These people have the same fundamental rights as everyone else, and among them is the right to attempt to protect their own lives should they be assaulted. These are individuals who are competent, good people that were **** to get real I would trust with my six, and I believe they would trust me with theirs. They serve our country with honor and dedication despite difficult circumstances and often very-material personal sacrifice, up to and including the risk of their own life.
Disarming these same people on our own soil and on their own base is criminally stupid behavior on the part of the executive and Joint Chiefs and those responsible deserve to be prosecuted as accessories before the fact to the homicides that took place yesterday.
Enough damnit.
A military base where nobody is allowed to carry guns. Makes sense right? Criminals and psychos look for this sign in deciding who to target. Make sure you get one for your gun-free workplace.
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I propose that the White House be a gun free zone. Since the liberals believe gun free zones provide the safest environment, why wouldn’t they want the safest environment for the Prez. There should be no guns on the white house grounds or in the white house whatsoever. Not even the secret service should have guns. After all we know having a gun could make a person go crazy, one of those SS guys could easily fall under the evil spell of a gun and shoot the prez, and we don’t want that to happen. So no question about it the White House needs to be a gun free zone.