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Dutchman
Dutchman

Here we are printing $75 – $85 billion a month in QE, and have a $16 x 10**12 (trillion) dollar national debt, and we’re giving money to another country? WTF???

It’s OK, cause we’re ‘nigger rich’.

Stucky

1. Ukraine is in DEEP debt. They CAN’T pay it. What to do?
2. IMF “lends” them money —- MORE debt! Brilliant.
3. Ukraine can’t repay that. (Duh!!!)
4. Force austerity. Yeah, let’s really fuck up the commoners lives.
5. Force ASSET sales …. resources, industries, and …… agricultural lands.
6. Ukraine becomes a third world country.
7. Bankers and 1%ers reap a windfall.

That’s who benefits.

Dutchman
Dutchman

Here we are printing $75 – $85 billion a month in QE, and have a $16 x 10**12 (trillion) dollar national debt, and we’re giving money to another country? WTF???

I’m also fed up with retail stores like: Lowes, CVS, Wallgreens, Auto Zone, where they ask you to contribute to various causes. I’m there to buy something, not to contribute. It sorta ties in with this $1 bn aid pkg: money is meaningless, whether our own, or the gubmints.

It’s OK, cause we’re ‘nigger rich’.

AWD

Slight revision on Stuck’s assessment:

1. USSA is in DEEP debt. They CAN’T pay it. What to do?
2. Fed “lends” them money —- MORE debt! Brilliant.
3. USSA can’t repay that. (Duh!!!)
4. Force austerity. Yeah, let’s really fuck up the commoners lives.
5. Force ASSET sales …. resources, industries, and …… agricultural lands.
6. USSA becomes a third world country.
7. Bankers and 1%ers reap a windfall.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people’s money.

NIck A
NIck A

The “Ukrainian Crisis” may be a considerably deeper rabbit hole that it at first appears.

I still have “friends” in the UK Intelligence Community, and no-one there4 has missed the significance (and speed) of the evolution of a Russian alternative to the SWIFT system, which really hints at a lot of prior planning.

So, it now seems that a retrospective analysis of data strongly suggests that the Russians identified NATO interest in the Ukraine shortly after the first Independence effort (breakup of the old USSR), and put in place mechanisms to “support” this interest.

Next step – NATO / USA / EU became aware of the “growing unrest” (facilitated by Russian interests), and started to make their overtures to the mainly far-right groups determined to stage a Coup d’Etat, which would allow US / EU to move forces into the Ukraine, and certainly put very visible pressure on the Russian base in Sevastopol.

Next step – Russia expresses justifiable concern re. NATO / EU / USA encroachment, and stands back whilst the new Ukrainian “rulers” apply intolerable sanctions / pressure on the Russian-speaking elements in the Crimea. This gives Russia considerable legitimacy in stating the need to defend Russian-affiliated citizens, so we have the Referendum (quite legally acceptable under International Law, despite the Western rhetoric), and the secession of the Crimea to re-join Russia.

Next step – USA / EU get their panties in a twist over this “Illegal Act” (which is not illegal) and conveniently forget all the other illegalities of their recent past adventures. Also, the “loss” of the Crimea is hardly insignificant, since the Russian Naval bases were going to be quite THE prize for the USA / EU from an intelligence viewpoint. “Lets impose Sanctions”. Absolutely predictable, and fully planned for by Russia.

Next step – “Russia will be limited / excluded from SWIFT network” – so Russia has already fully established most of the infrastructure needed for an independent mechanism, with “Producer” Countries, rather than “Debtor” Countries; Producer Countries which seem to be very supportive of Russia’s position, and ever more critical of the EU / American actions (note the G20 consensus!)

Add in the ease with which Russia has used the West’s years of hypocrisy, and moral decay, to very effectively champion Russia as “The Moral Leader”, with abundant good evidence, and alarm bells must be ringing loudly in the USA / EU “Corridors of Power”.

Next steps? Further gradual (but effective) isolation of the USA / EU (assured by the inflammatory comments coming from German politicians – wonder if they’re scared that Russia might be planning a “WWII Re-Match”?), further economic and political expansion of the “New Russia” influence globally?

One certainty. Russians are excellent Chess Players. Their President plays at Tournament level, and at this level, you plan many, many moves ahead. What’s next? We’ll all find out soon enough, and I’m certain that Mr Snowden has provided the Russians with lots more hard facts to support their claim to World Moral Leadership . . . .

Zarathustra

The Ukrainians need to lobby for the Israeli aid package. They get the annual tribute up front on Jan. 1 and collect interest on it for the rest of the year. The US pays interest on it. Is that a Jewish-inspired deal or what?

Nonanonymous

Z, Palestinian negotiations have ground to a halt. It really must suck to be on the losing side of history, and to think your identity with the Persians is purely adoption, not unlike that of modern day Israelis, i.e. the thirteenth tribe, but your unbridled fascination with the Persians is more like “gone native” than anything else, and that’s never used in a positive sense. Not that I would attempt to justify Israel, other than they deserve the right to exist, but neither can you justify blowing up innocent people. Try it, go ahead and prove what a piece of shit you are.

Zarathustra

Non Anon,

You are hilarious. Obviously the Palestinian negotiations have broken down. They will always break down. The reason they will always break down is that Israel has zero interest in a Palestinian state. Listen to their lapdogs Gingrich and Huckabee. Israel doesn’t want peace with the Palestinians. They want them GONE, and it matters not by what means.

What is hilarious about you is that while on one hand you presume to be this holiest of holy Christian, and on the other hand cheer on ethnic cleansing, apartheid and mass murder.

Your logic sucks as well. You claim “Israel has a right to exist” while on the other hand say “fuck the Arabs, they should have won their wars. To the victor goes the spoils. You can’t have it both ways.
Now from the standpoint of history, I can agree, except on humanitarian grounds, with the latter argument, but not with the first. No nation has a right to exist. Israel will exist as long as it can keep the greatest military hegemon on the planet as it’s personal bitch and until a bigger dog comes along, says “fuck you, Israel!, and has the means to accomplish it…Or until it is simply consumed by demographics:
namely that rich, european jews don’t like to have kids while poor palestinians do. Cry me a river.

Zarathustra

Nonanon, allow me to expound upon my last comment a bit so that even a dumbass such as yourself can comprehend.

The “peace process” is the price Israel must pay in order for the US to provide it blanket diplomatic support in the UN. Capisce? It’s nothing but a farce that allows them to only violate a few UN resolution instead of an avalanche of them. It’s the only thing that keeps Israel from being the world’s #1 rogue state.

TeresaE
TeresaE

@Z, well that and they control all the money and most of the media.

Just sayin’

Nonanonymous

Z, there probably is no right side of the argument in the Israeli – Palestinian conflict. Thanks for playing.

It’s interesting that you accuse one side of “ethnic cleansing, apartheid and mass murder” while ignoring the atrocities of the other.

I also disagree with your “might makes right” argument, even if, in this case, Israel is the bigger dog.

Thanks for compliments, but I will defer the hilarity to you. Keep it up, and you’ll find a place on my shit list along with athiests, sodomites, and trinitarians. I don’t have a bias against all Islam, only the non-peaceful.

Regarding demographics, you may have a point. Arabs have been moving into the socialist countries of western europe for centuries. A global depression may change your calculations. A lot of things may happen, but I agree with your observation.

I still find your fascination with Persia peculiar, but not to the point of calling you names. Since you feel so obligated, please feel free also to go fuck yourself.

Zarathustra

Nonanonymous says:

It’s interesting that you accuse one side of “ethnic cleansing, apartheid and mass murder” while ignoring the atrocities of the other.
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Nonanon, think of it like this. When someone posts a video here of some copfuk abuse, does it strike anyone to respond, “what about all the shit copfuks take?” It’s about power and the Palestinians don’t have it. Do you understand now?

Nonanonymous

Really, Z? Cops are like the military, they know they’re putting their lives on the line when they sign up.

Cops also aren’t being blown up by suicide bombers, are they? You’re analogy falls apart before it even starts.

You think it’s about power? Maybe, but it’s also about right and wrong. You still haven’t responded to the atrocities which Palestinians have committed. I’m not defending the Israelis except to say they have a right to defend themselves. It’s called sovereignty.

We could go back and forth about this but it’s a waste of time. You can’t justify the actions of jihadists by blaming it on Israel. Stop antagonizing them and let the peace process take it’s course, but you won’t do that. It only proves you don’t want peace. So be it. Just quit whining about how unfair it is. This is the course you chose when you refuse to play by the rules and I have zero tolerance for it. Stop wasting mine and everyone else’s time with your ant-semitic bull shit.

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