POLICE DEPARTMENTS PREPARING FOR WAR – GUESS THE ENEMY

Politicians, the surveillance state thugs, and the lapdog media proliferate propaganda about an increasingly dangerous society that requires local police forces to utilize military level equipment to protect the citizens of our great nation. What a load of bullshit. The violent crime rate in this country has been steadily falling since 1990. The entire storyline about police needing more resources is false. DHS is using your tax dollars to militarize local police forces in advance of the shit hitting the fan. The people in control of this country know they are running a Ponzi scheme that will ultimately collapse. They are preparing for the civil unrest which will follow. The police forces in this country are militarizing to fight YOU. They will follow orders and shoot you down like dogs.

YOU ARE THE ENEMY

Across America, Police Departments Are Quietly Preparing For War

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At first blush, the title of this post could be perceived as somewhat hyperbolic by those who still have an impression of America’s police departments as bastions of safety, designed “to protect and to serve” the population of the “land of the free.” However, said impression would be promptly washed away upon reading an article in today’s NYT which citing Pentagon data, reveals that under the Obama administration, “police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft.

Which begs the question: just who is America’s police force, and by extension the Obama administration, which is behind this quiet militarization of local police forces with weapons that would normally be seen in a warzone, preparing for war against?

And while we already documented America’s conversation to a turnkey totalitarian banana republic (confirmed over a year later by Edward Snowden), behold America’s conversion to a police state:

In the past we have occasionally covered the slow (but sure) conversion of America’s Police force into an army, fully loaded with the latest weapons and equipments, not even we had an idea of the full extent of what was going on behind the scenes. As the NYT describes, all of the above-mentioned equipment “has been added to the armories of police departments that already look and act like military units. Police SWAT teams are now deployed tens of thousands of times each year, increasingly for routine jobs. Masked, heavily armed police officers in Louisiana raided a nightclub in 2006 as part of a liquor inspection. In Florida in 2010, officers in SWAT gear and with guns drawn carried out raids on barbershops that mostly led only to charges of “barbering without a license.

Surely in an age when the NSA managed to eradicated all terrorism (oh oops, Boston bombing, we forgot, just ignore that), the mantra that a “weapon unused is a useless weapon” has never rang more true, but dispatching crack police team to handle rogue “barbers”? Sadly, that may be just a harbinger of the crackdowns the US police state will unleash shortly on anyone even the least bit guilty of violating some law or regulation. Or maybe completely innocent, just guilty of sparking the USPD’s curiosity.

Meet the new normal SWAT: new, improved and, well, everywhere:

The number of SWAT teams has skyrocketed since the 1980s, according to studies by Peter B. Kraska, an Eastern Kentucky University professor who has been researching the issue for decades…. The ubiquity of SWAT teams has changed not only the way officers look, but also the way departments view themselves. Recruiting videos feature clips of officers storming into homes with smoke grenades and firing automatic weapons. In Springdale, Ark., a police recruiting video is dominated by SWAT clips, including officers throwing a flash grenade into a house and creeping through a field in camouflage.

The rationale for the weaponization of the US police force is simple: it’s yours if you want it. Also, it’s free.

The Pentagon program does not push equipment onto local departments. The pace of transfers depends on how much unneeded equipment the military has, and how much the police request. Equipment that goes unclaimed typically is destroyed. So police chiefs say their choice is often easy: Ask for free equipment that would otherwise be scrapped, or look for money in their budgets to prepare for an unlikely scenario. Most people understand, police officers say.

In the meantime, this is where the build up has come from…

Congress created the military-transfer program in the early 1990s, when violent crime plagued America’s cities and the police felt outgunned by drug gangs. Today, crime has fallen to its lowest levels in a generation, the wars have wound down, and despite current fears, the number of domestic terrorist attacks has declined sharply from the 1960s and 1970s.

 

Police departments, though, are adding more firepower and military gear than ever. Some, especially in larger cities, have used federal grant money to buy armored cars and other tactical gear. And the free surplus program remains a favorite of many police chiefs who say they could otherwise not afford such equipment. Chief Wilkinson said he expects the police to use the new truck rarely, when the department’s SWAT team faces an armed standoff or serves a warrant on someone believed to be dangerous.

 

Today, Chief Wilkinson said, the police are trained to move in and save lives during a shooting or standoff, in contrast to a generation ago — before the Columbine High School massacre and others that followed it — when they responded by setting up a perimeter and either negotiating with, or waiting out, the suspect.

… and where it is going.

In South Carolina, the Richland County Sheriff’s Department’s website features its SWAT team, dressed in black with guns drawn, flanking an armored vehicle that looks like a tank and has a mounted .50-caliber gun. Capt. Chris Cowan, a department spokesman, said the vehicle “allows the department to stay in step with the criminals who are arming themselves more heavily every day.” He said police officers had taken it to schools and community events, where it was a conversation starter.

 

Not everyone agrees that there is a need for such vehicles. Ronald E. Teachman, the police chief in South Bend, Ind., said he decided not to request a mine-resistant vehicle for his city. “I go to schools,” he said. “But I bring ‘Green Eggs and Ham.’ ”

The people are said to believe the explanation:

When you explain that you’re preparing for something that may never happen, they get it,” said Capt. Tiger Parsons of the Buchanan County Sheriff’s Office in northwest Missouri, which recently received a mine-resistant truck.

You mean like the Fed stepping back from propping the global capital markets? Or like Caesar taking over Rome and only then handing over the power to the people?

But however you explain it and whatever you call it, don’t call it overkill, no pun intended. Actually call it overkill.

Pentagon data suggest how the police are arming themselves for such worst-case scenarios. Since 2006, the police in six states have received magazines that carry 100 rounds of M-16 ammunition, allowing officers to fire continuously for three times longer than normal. Twenty-two states obtained equipment to detect buried land mines.

 

In the Indianapolis suburbs, officers said they needed a mine-resistant vehicle to protect against a possible attack by veterans returning from war.

 

“You have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build I.E.D.’s and to defeat law enforcement techniques,” Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told the local Fox affiliate, referring to improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs. Sergeant Downing did not return a message seeking comment.

 

The police in 38 states have received silencers, which soldiers use to muffle gunfire during raids and sniper attacks. Lauren Wild, the sheriff in rural Walsh County, N.D., said he saw no need for silencers. When told he had 40 of them for his county of 11,000 people, Sheriff Wild confirmed it with a colleague and said he would look into it. “I don’t recall approving them,” he said.

Funny how that happens. Because that’s the whole point: if the police department is there to protect the people, shouldn’t the people decide how the police is armed? Apparently not. Then again, the light bulb did go over some heads.

At the Neenah City Council, Mr. Pollnow is pushing for a requirement that the council vote on all equipment transfers. When he asks about the need for military equipment, he said the answer is always the same: It protects police officers.

 

“Who’s going to be against that? You’re against the police coming home safe at night?” he said. “But you can always present a worst-case scenario. You can use that as a framework to get anything.”

 

Chief Wilkinson said he was not interested in militarizing Neenah. But officers are shot, even in small towns. If there were an affordable way to protect his people without the new truck, he would do it.

 

“I hate having our community divided over a law enforcement issue like this. But we are,” he said. “It drives me to my knees in prayer for the safety of this community every day. And it convinced me that this was the right thing for our community.”

Great, absolutely. Now just open it up for a vote and le the community itself decide!

Which brings us back to the original question: as the NYT succinctly summarizes the situation, “as President Obama ushers in the end of what he called America’s “long season of war,” the former tools of combat — M-16 rifles, grenade launchers, silencers and more — are ending up in local police departments, often with little public notice.”

 Perhaps that sentence needs some qualification: as Obama, humiliated on the international arena by everyone, from Assad to Putin and back, and desperately seeking to avoid future embarrassment, redeploys weapons of mass murder, why is he seeking to put said weapons – many of which are of the offensive kind – not out to pasture but in America’s very own back yard? Just who does Obama plan to wage his next, and hopefully last, war against? The good news is that everyone will get sufficient advance notice before said war begins by the squadrons of weaponized drones sent out to test the ground, and inflict the “accidental” collateral damage casualty, or million.

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overthecliff
overthecliff
June 10, 2014 9:51 am

Do not fight the police or the Army. You will loose. Fight the politicians and those who support them. Don`t let them know who is fighting them. If they know that they will send the police and Army after you.

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
June 10, 2014 9:53 am

I read this article yesterday. What caught my eye was the 93,763 machine guns. WTF over 93,000 fucking machine guns. What the hell do you do with nearly 94,000 machine guns and counting. They serve no other purpose the to kill enormous amounts of people. They wonder why people would want automatic weapons. I would think it is obvious. I have grown very weary of the ( I cannot bring myself to say our) government.
Bob.

Persnickety
Persnickety
June 10, 2014 10:01 am

Bostonbob, I think that 93,000 total includes mostly or entirely DRMO (obsolete military) M16s and maybe some M4s. These are select fire (some go full auto, some do 3-round burst) so they are, in the broad sense, machineguns, but they are also similar to the civilian AR15 except for having what we call the happy switch. You may still question whether “law enforcement” agencies need anything that’s full auto, especially when it’s supposedly too dangerous for civilians to have, but it’s not quite the same as if they were handing out M2 .50’s.

Now if you see anything about LE departments getting belt fed machineguns, I want to know yesterday… that would be a lot more ominous.

Eddie
Eddie
June 10, 2014 10:21 am

I still say it’s as much about funneling money to those on the supply side of the MIC as it is about any perceived threat. War pigs feeding at the government trough. With the current wars of occupation dying down (only temporarily, of course) the arms sellers need the market so they don’t have to cut production.

You can only sell so many machine guns to neo-nazis in Ukraine (on credit of course) and you can only sell so many missiles to the CIA to be given away to various “freedom fighters”. What’s left over can go to the police and every other government agency from the post office to the dept. of agriculture.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
June 10, 2014 10:49 am

Well…I’ve said this before but it’s worth mentioning again. When I worked for one of the defense contractors on the MRAP & MATV projects we started noticing that the truck drivers who used to make daily runs to the air base to ship out the vehicle were gone days at a time.

When I asked one of them why he had been gone for a few days he told me that he had dropped one of the MRAP’s in a warehouse in Indiana ( he had also made trips to New Mexico ) . The truck drivers had started to send them all across the country to warehouses. Why…no one had an answer but they weren’t at military bases .

Iosef Nobody
Iosef Nobody
June 10, 2014 10:56 am

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John
John
June 10, 2014 10:56 am

Why does is seem that the largest stockpiles are in the South/Border states?

Tommy
Tommy
June 10, 2014 11:12 am

For me, its the silencers….wtf? You’d think hollow points and MRAP’s would be enough to freak me out, but night vision and silencers – there’s only one use for shit like that.

Screech
Screech
June 10, 2014 11:15 am

I have said this before here. The best way to deal with the local donut munchers is to know where their families are. Cops are mostly sixth graders with guns. Treat them as such and you will have few problems with them.

Gayle
Gayle
June 10, 2014 11:22 am

Last week our police chief proudly rolled out his new MRAP and showed it off. This makes me sick. Here are some of his justifications, taken from the local newspaper’s front-page article:

It adds a level of protection to residents and visitors.
It will be stocked and rolled out on an as-needed basis.
“We would use this for any situation that is high-risk where someone may be armed and any tactical
situation where the use of a vehicle would help us rescue people or enter a dangerous zone without
jeopardizing the lives of our officers.”
“This is like one of the many things we have–it’s another tool in the toolbox. Having it makes us a
better police department that if an event does occur we don’t want to wait to get one from another
city.”

THE PD ACCEPTED THE VEHICLE WITHOUT ASKING FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL –WHICH WAS NOT REQUIRED, AND WITHOUT COUNCIL OR RESIDENT DISCUSSION. (Emphasis mine)

Stucky
Stucky
June 10, 2014 11:47 am

“93,763 machine guns”

Please don’t tell me the police are too powerful. Or, the Armed services.

Please don’t tell me Americans are pussies who will not fight.

Please don’t tell me “There’s no hope.”

Please Do tell me you agree with General Yamamoto (1941), and that it also applies to being “invaded” from within;

This is my hope.
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In case the pic does not show up, the quote —– “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
June 10, 2014 11:47 am

Snick,
Thanks for the clarification. Not being as gun savvy as many are here I conjure up in my mind big, belt fed bastards belching bullets. On the other hand police killed on duty are up YTD. I believe 21 have been shot YTD, I am sure this makes them very edgy.
Bob.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 10, 2014 11:51 am

Okay, not to put a different spin on this but…

My neighbor is involved big time in local politics. The mayor and chief of copfuks are among her friends. I asked her if the city owned any armored military-style vehicles and she said ours doesn’t but a neighboring city does. I went into typical wtf? mode and she pointed out that when there was a flash flood here (which are pretty common), a family was stranded and it was the only thing that could reach them.

Persnickety
Persnickety
June 10, 2014 11:55 am

” I went into typical wtf? mode and she pointed out that when there was a flash flood here (which are pretty common), a family was stranded and it was the only thing that could reach them. ”

Because the department can’t afford a $500 canoe or $2000 inflatable boat after they blew 10’s of thousands in acquiring and maintaining a useless MRAP.

Next we’ll be hearing about only the MRAP can rescue cats from trees – because all the firefighters were laid off and their ladder trucks were sold to make room for the MRAP.

Nonanonymous
Nonanonymous
June 10, 2014 12:12 pm

Yeah, right, Scree. That would require a level of intelligence I rather doubt you possess.

What a chicken shit thing to say about anyone. If and when SHTF, after a few days the cops are going home to take care of their families, then it will be open season on anyone left.

It’s all about continuity of government, the shadow variety. They’ll be defending key infrastructure and taking a wait and see approach. Stores will begin to get looted, no gas will be available after a few days, and then it will be neighbor against neighbor as the LA riots, NO and NE hurricane aftermaths play out on a national scale, which will also be the signal for riots to erupt in almost every non-militarized oligarchy ruled country. Can’t say about China, they may be the big winners if they’re able to maintain order. Maybe this is why the US is reported to be considering first strike offensives against both Russia and China. Once the US falls, NATO will be a sitting duck. They can’t fight a war on two fronts, domestic and foreign, not when the productive elements of our nation have been scuttled by the globalization of our industry.

If the currency collapses, the only chance the US Federal government has is to lay down their arms, and let a people’s legislature take command. If they want a fight, then a fight it will be. It will be a fitting end to generations of bureaucratic mismanagement and malfeasance. As the federal bureaucracy is marched tarred and feathered out of DC, the people can once again claim their rightful position at the head of government of, for, and by the people. Washington cannot claim this right at the present and until a popular movement assumes control, and winnows the federal bureaucracy from it’s unconstitutional functions, it cannot claim that right.

Any effort to effect a police state in our nation is bound to fail, notwithstanding all of the devices of the wicked.

http://goo.gl/Lis4CX
(Ephesians 6:10-20 ESV)

Stucky
Stucky
June 10, 2014 12:19 pm

” … she pointed out that when there was a flash flood here (which are pretty common), a family was stranded and it was the only thing that could reach them.” ——— Zara

Well, at least she didn’t say …. “It’s for the chill’run !!” …. Ha!

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
June 10, 2014 12:26 pm

John says: Why does is seem that the largest stockpiles are in the South/Border states?

Well John…here in the South we don’t take ANY shit from the FED’s and we have a history of starting things .

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
June 10, 2014 12:27 pm

Zara…you should have pointed out that MRAP’s don’t float .

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 10, 2014 12:49 pm

T4C says:

“Someone at the table asked a Japanese admiral why, with the Pacific Fleet devastated at Pearl Harbor and the mainland U.S. forces in what Japan had to know was a pathetic state of unreadiness, Japan had not simply invaded the West Coast.”

The pacific fleet was not devastated at Pearl Harbor. The ships there were mostly obsolete leftovers from WW1 (and before in the case of the Utah). Boob bait for bubbas.

But the answer to the question is the same reason the Germans didn’t invade Britain in 1940…because they couldn’t!

Japan had a small merchant fleet. In one six month period of 1943, the US built more merchant ships than Japan did for the entire war. It took a massive armada to effect the DDay invasion, from a starting point of 40 miles away. The invasion of tiny Okinawa required the largest assembled fleet in history.

Any admiral who would question why Japan did not invade the continental US, is a complete moron.

Having said that, the Japanese did pull off some impressive victories. Against the US, other than some early surprise wins such as at Corregidor (largely due to MacArthur’s idiotic decisions) and Guam, the best the Japanese could pull of were a few draws (Coral Sea and Guadalcanal), but against the British, they flat out kicked their asses at sea, in the air and on the ground. Their successful invasion and capture of Singapore was astonishing.

bb
bb
June 10, 2014 1:43 pm

Stay out of sight and out of mind .Don’t bring attention to yourself. I know some.of the.police and national guard . They are preparing for civil unrest . Had a guard officer tell me they will fire on looters or people destroying property. His advice was to stay inside for the first couple of weeks. It surprised me at how open he was about using force. Never got to ask about night vision or silencers. They do have body vests.

Eddie
Eddie
June 10, 2014 1:51 pm

Do not hide behind blades of grass. I suggest large rocks as an alternative.

Free MRAPs!!!
Free MRAPs!!!
June 10, 2014 2:10 pm

First time someone in the MRAP needs to take a dump, you have the opportunity to lease their MRAP on an immediate, short-term basis for 0 down, 0 per month.

overthecliff
overthecliff
June 10, 2014 2:27 pm

Skreech keep in mind the politicians and their supporters. The bastards need to be held accountable.

MuckAbout
MuckAbout
June 10, 2014 3:26 pm

The trend is definitely militarization of local sheriff and police forces. It is also no accident except that the Feds buy so much crap to keep the industrial/war machine running, they are constantly looking for ways to ship taxpayer paid-for suddenly obsolete hardware anywhere they can to make room for the next best thing. When cop shops stop taking the stuff, then sell them to Arabs, African countries, South American dictatorships and equip NATO with them all.

There is no way a modestly organized and disciplined group of every-day armed American civilians are going to survive going head to head with military forces equipped with RPG’s, grenades, automatic weapons, unlimited ammunition, tanks mortars and artillery. The only time it would work at all is well illustrated by the recent standoff between a cattle rancher and the piss poor tiny group of armed BLM and Forrest Service sent against.

The Fed’s very badly underestimated the size of the opposition and their willingness to fight. That rancher had far more support than even he realized and it carried the day. It did not, however, win the battle. Wait and see – the Feds have extremely long memories, unlimited money (only by the speed of the fairy godmother printing presses) and sooner or later, that rancher will be ground up, spit out and no will no longer be there to keep the Feds from taking the land, giving it to whichever crony capitalist has the most pull.

Do not EVER attempt a “stand up and be counted” response to any law or military organization. You will be very dead very fast.

The only way to combat an organized military operation is to vanish into the bushes to snipe again another day. Go VC on ’em (they whipped our ass good, remember?) and never accept a fight on their ground fighting their equipment and numbers in a direct confrontation. That’s why we lost the war in Iraq and will loose the war in Afghanistan too. Guerilla irregular forces where you never stand still long enough for air support to cream your ass, coming back time and time again with booby traps, sniping and dirty tricks that cannot be stopped in advance (unless the defenders are lucky) can do the trick given support from the local populace, funding, establishing supply lines (a ton of little ones so the loss of a few won’t cripple you) dedicated people will to die where they stand, hopefully taking out as many of the opposition as possible in the process, and having tremendous, never wavering moral and physical strength to just keep on keeping on, month after month, year after year until you’re either dead or have broken the back (and moral) of the opposing forces.

It’s a bitch.

MA

yahsure
yahsure
June 10, 2014 3:45 pm

The locals here just call up the feds for anything serious. I watched heavily armed men take down a local drug dealer. I imagine it took a big wad of cash.(all the man and equipment) The dealer had been monitored for months. He was caught with many pounds of pot. Less than a year later he is back ,free.

Zarathustra
Zarathustra
June 10, 2014 3:50 pm

There is one way to kill the beast and that is to starve it to death. A nationwide general strike and tax protest would work. It might take 10% of the total tax paying population to pull it off.

In 2009, the failure of the protest movement in Iran to get a general strike going is ultimately what killed the “revolution” in Iran. I know they tried. The Ayatollahs had planes waiting just in case…

Gayle
Gayle
June 10, 2014 4:29 pm

Just who is going to be doing all the attacking of Americans? More Americans? What will be their motive to destroy people and communities? Will the FSA be aroused to get busy and defend the Fatherland? Will the military fight for the government? Doubtful. Will they bring in NATO troops to assist? It’s going to take a lot of them.

I don’t doubt for a minute that the current establishment would gladly start shooting some uppity patriots. I just can’t figure out where they would acquire enough human resources to form any large scale conflict. Am I naive?

Bostonbob
Bostonbob
June 10, 2014 4:45 pm

Gayle,
I think that the government believes that like here in Boston once the shooting starts we will do as we are told and shelter in place while they get a few nastys out of the way. They may be in for a surprise around other parts of the country as they are not as passive and indoctrinated as my extremely progressive state is. Most people I know refuse to show their hands, many are quietly prepping and will try to keep their heads down. This may work for a while, but if things progress badly I see many of the local LEOs not willing to risk their lives and their families lives if there is truly a breakdown. I think ultimately it will roll out quite differently around different parts of the country. I hope in never comes to this, but hope is not a good plan as I understand it.
Bob.

Gayle
Gayle
June 10, 2014 5:08 pm

Bob

You’re right, there would be uneven reactions. Idaho would not be like Massachusetts.

It feels like we’re in a race: the government knows more and more people are waking up to reality, thus they are arming all the agencies as fast as they can. They know they need to to kick off something soon but need to keep us all snoozing in the meantime. Quite a dilemma they have formed for themselves.

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
June 10, 2014 5:10 pm

@bb,

Did they give you any idea when this civil unrest might commence?

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
June 10, 2014 5:19 pm

Or maybe it just commenced in Las Vegas?

Maybe it just commenced in Las Vegas???

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
June 10, 2014 5:22 pm

Guess I’m really stuck on that Las Vegas thing…

lol

Maddie's Mom
Maddie's Mom
June 10, 2014 5:26 pm

What I really meant to say was…I hope they super-sized all those armored vehicles :-/

bb
bb
June 10, 2014 6:28 pm

Mom, these are just local guys in a town of about 50 thousand .They did go to over Iraq 4 times and they have a lot of equipment.

AWD
AWD
June 10, 2014 7:07 pm

The Feds know a collapse is coming. Obama and Holder are trying for a race war. The Feds know about the militias and their plans and strength. They are staring down the barrels of their guns at citizens, and they will murder anybody they see as a threat. Read NDAA again if you don’t think they will. Obama and the liberal progressives are going to get creamed in the upcoming elections, and they don’t want to cede power to anybody. There will likely be many events between now and then, including another racially motivated series of crimes that will mobilize the Feds.

The government is bankrupt, nobody is buying our IOU’s anymore except the IMF and Federal Reserve. Russia, China, India, the Middle East making deals, dumping the dollar. The oligarchs are getting worried, and have empowered the Feds and cops to take whatever actions are necessary to maintain order, their wealth and their power.

Obama’s incompetence in foreign affairs is going to lead to a Tonkin gulf-like incident with Russia or China, and Obama will insanely act, because he is insane, getting us into a catastrophic war. People at home will protest, calling for his impeachment, then the Feds will crush all dissent. We’re looking at a whole lot of chaos; Obama still has 2 1/2 years to finish this country off, put us in the ground, complete his transformation and “change”, complete with edicts and orders that will be beyond reason or logic.

It’s going to get ugly, there’s no doubt about it. People are itching for a fight, to put the government out of it’s misery, and the misery most Americans are feeling right now. Because something has to be done about our government, our country, and somebody, somewhere is going to do something to get this country back from the socialist fascists that are hell bent on destroying it. I hope they succeed. Or else we’re finished, and our children’s future is finished.

llpoh
llpoh
June 10, 2014 7:50 pm

I am thinking a lot about this stuff lately, and one of the things I have concluded is this:

Cops and other agencies have accumulated this stuff, for among other reasons, BECAUSE THEY CAN. Sure, a lot of it will be because of malice aforethought, but a lot of it will be simply because they can. Hey, thinks peabrain copfuck agency – we are allowed to have machine guns! Let’s go get us some of that! Woohoo – how about a tank! Maybe a Blackhawk! Sheet – it is just taxpayer money – and fuck them, right?!

Think about it – this is what would I personally have if everything was legal:

Machine guns (plural – you name it I would have it)
Bazooka (fucking A – how cool would that be!)
Mortar (shitfire, now that would be fun!)
Claymore or two (I mean, why the hell not!)
Maybe a RPG or two
A tank might be too costly, but maybe an old WW2 surplus could be had.
Landmines (bouncing Betties sound cool)
Etc etc etc

Get the point? This is shit I would buy with my own money if it were legal. Hell’s bells, I would be like a kid in a candy shop – I would have every gizmo available just for chuckles. I would happily pay for it out of my own pocket.

So how do you think copfuks are gonna act when 1) they can legally acquire this shit and 2) they can acquire this shit with your money? Answer: they are going to go on a spending spree at every available opportunity.

The question becomes what are they going to do with that stuff?

Nothing good, in my opinion. Even if they did not buy that stuff with evil intent, they now have that stuff, and it will not likely be used in a good cause.

Stucky
Stucky
June 10, 2014 7:57 pm

llpoh

Nice observation.

One reason “they can” is because the Feds are literally pushing this shit down their throats. TAKE IT OR ELSE!!

Maybe you implied that with your “taxpayer money” observation.

llpoh
llpoh
June 10, 2014 8:00 pm

Stuck – Maybe I should just have said “other people’s money”. In any event, it is not their money, so they do not give a shit how it is spent.

Bullshit Sommelier
Bullshit Sommelier
June 10, 2014 9:27 pm

Llpoh,

Everything you list there would cost tens of thousands of dollars!

llpoh
llpoh
June 10, 2014 9:59 pm

BS – No they wouldn’t. Machine guns are not that expensive. Machine guns like an M-16 are a grand or two, but depending on what you want can be $20k. An AK would be under a grand. Etc.

A claymore is like $200.

RPGs go for a few hundred in many parts of the world.

Mortars would be relatively inexpensive if legal.

You can get this armoured vehicle for $21k. A tank would probably be $40k+.

In any event, even at the absurd costs you mention, I would still have them. Unless of course I am lying about my personal wherewithal, as you have oft suggested. Probably not the tank though. To get a good one, with weapons, and keep it running, would be too difficult. Fuel logistics would also be prohibitive.

Leobeer
Leobeer
June 10, 2014 10:09 pm

Thousands of federal government employees are armed with handguns and even semiautomatic and automatic weapons as part of their jobs for agencies that are not traditional law enforcement operations.

These gun-toting civil servants include those performing missions that involve Social Security, delivering the mail, predicting the weather, and overseeing railroad pensions. Others authorized to carry firearms conduct audits for the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The Social Security Administration has sought to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow-point bullets, while at least nine agencies have their own SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) teams, including the Office of Personnel Management, the Department of Labor, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Food and Drug Administration, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the Fish and Wildlife Service.

With the increase of federal regulatory criminal laws being passed, the number of law-enforcement personnel attached to agencies has gone up as well. But the traditional law enforcement agencies like the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Marshals Service have been unable to handle all of the demand to execute potentially dangerous investigations, searches and arrests, leading officials at these other departments to develop their own police forces, according to an analysis by Candice Bernd of Truthout.

These forces can take their jobs too seriously. In 2003, Department of Fish and Wildlife agents stormed into the home of George and Kathy Norris of Houston. George Norris imported and sold orchids. He was subsequently accused of smuggling a certain variety of the plant into the United States. Although it was later found that he had only made a few paperwork errors, he ended up pleading guilty to seven counts of violating the Endangered Species Act and served 17 months in prison.

Some lawmakers are starting to think it might be time to scale back on federal criminal codes. Last year, the Over-Criminalization Task Force (part of the House Judiciary Committee) convened for the first time to consider ways to shrink the number of laws and provisions on the books.

http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/federal-agencies-with-guns-weather-service-social-security-railroad-retirement-board-140610?news=853369

gilberts
gilberts
June 11, 2014 8:08 am

Just out of curiosity, what happens when the SHTF and the cops realize they aren’t paid enough and their families need them more? Will they just sell their super weapons, or take them home for their own use? I was off the coast of Albania when their govt toppled and the people raided all their armories, carting off millions of rifles, RPGs, machineguns, and other toys. I wonder if that could happen here?

Persnickety
Persnickety
June 11, 2014 10:33 am

Gilberts – yes, absolutely. It’s not uncommon that the police become the mafia in countries that collapse. Sometimes the line between the two is blurred to illegibility.

Expect the good guys to leave after the second or third missed paycheck, probably taking some stuff home with them, and the bad guys to stay but go freelance.

You could look at the massive arming of various police departments as a preliminary step towards a naked mafia state, a cross between Russia 1993 and Somalia any time since 1990 or so.

BUCKHED
BUCKHED
June 11, 2014 12:37 pm

Leobeer …the Feds getting rid of laws….rarely happens and when it does it’s usually a law to strengthen their power or to allow the .01% to fuck the average American. Hell it took 108 years for them to repeal the 3% excise tax on long distance calls that was used to fund the Spanish-American War.

RE…you’re right we can fight head on but poke them in the eye every chance you get and it will work. The only difference is the local enemy has no where to go as opposed to a war on a distant land where you can withdraw and go home. I’ll take my lessons from that great Southern domestic terrorist Francis Marion….hit’em and run . I’ve spent hours in the Francis Marion forest…I can imagine it was hell on the British .

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