April 2012: — 113 police officers shot at an unarmed couple ONE HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN times killing them, obviously. They were not innocent — a police chase ensued because the driver was high and driving on a suspended license. Dumb? Yes? But once again we have a mind numbing case of excessive copfuk force. —————— http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/03/1228675/-Unarmed-Couple-Shot-At-137-Times-By-Police
Moar ‘Murikan copfuk brutality.
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Germany’s population is 81,000,000. About 250,000 German police fired at German citizens about 36 times, killing 6 …….. for the ENTIRE YEAR.
There are only three reasons to explain this disparity;
— A) American copfuks are out of control
— B) American citizens are fucked up animals
— C) Both A & B
America … God Bless Us … defeated the Nazis in 1945. And sometime before 2014, we became them.
C, but A>B
There are only three reasons to explain this disparity. – Stucky
I would add another – German cops are not trained in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“I would add another – German cops are not trained in Iraq and Afghanistan.” – dill
True.
German police go through years of training. Years. Not some bullshit 6 or 8 week “basic training” or some shit. Then they go work for the individual states. Those with the best records and highest intelligence are sent to KriPo school – Criminal Police, which though it sounds funny (and correct for the US) actually means “Investigations”.
German cops are so thoroughly trained, they know how fine a line they can walk. I saw exactly one ass-whuppin administered by German cops the entire time I was there. During Oktoberfest. I was at the train station, slightly drunk, waiting to get on a train to take me at least closer to home than I was. There was a drunk passed out at the foot of the stairs to my left.
Two German cops came by and woke the drunk up. They were trying to be cool. Told him that if he could get up and at least try to make it home, they wouldn’t fuck with him. “Can’t sleep here. Sorry.”
Herman the Drunk got pissy and kicked one of the cops, unprovoked. Also said a lot of very, very bad things about the cops… The cops just opened up on his ass with those spring-loaded batons they carry. Administered aforementioned ass-whuppin’, then called a meat wagon to transport him to wherever beat up drunks get to go…
Ain’t no “Rodney King” bullshit over there. If you get an ass-whuppin’, then you deserved it. German cops don’t fuck with people because they’re bored or they’re mad at their wives or because they don’t like the way you look or because they’re maniacal power-hungry assholes… they rarely fuck with anyone at all. The only time I came face to face with German cops intent on beating my ass, I was dressed in boots, jeans and a brown bomber jacket. Pretty conservative over here. Over there, it marks you as a Skinhead, especially if you’ve got a short short military haircut…
Once the cops (about 8 of them, as I remember) found out we were American soldiers, they were totally cool with us… in fact, they were the ones who told us about the whole “You’re dressing like the Skinheads – don”t do that” thing… first, last and only time I dressed like that in Germany…
We are being conditioned for martial law. That is surely one reason for the abuses. Institute brutality now so people will be less inclined to resist later.
Everyone of these DAMN bastards were resisting the cops .I would beat there Damn ASSES as long as they continue to resist.Get over it STUCKY.
A nation of feral junkies will call forth an army of psychotic nazis to restrain them.
John Adams said:
” Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
If you’re wondering what kind of government is adequate for the “other”, you’re looking at it.
“Get over it STUCKY.” ——— Pb, V.I.
If a cop ever beats you ass to a pulp …. I will kiss that cop’s balls.
Stucky says: “bout 250,000 German police fired at German citizens about 36 times, killing 6 …….. for the ENTIRE YEAR.”
Lets see, 250,000 police fire thirty six times = 9 million shots, and they only managed to kill six.
Damn, those German copfucks really need to get in some target practice. They are really bad shots.
Stucky , you just don’t get it.The reason these people resist is they hope the cop will beat the shit out of them .They know it’s being taped. To these people it’s like.playing the lottery. Damn.I always have to explain things to you .Sometimes I feel like a first grade school teacher. To you and Harry .
The disparity could not be because 1) the US has more than 3 times as many guns per person as does Germany, 2) there is less than a 1% black population in Germany compared to what 13% in the US, and blacks commit half the crime in the US, a huge percentage of the murders, and represent many (most I think) of the persons killed by police in the US (followed by Hispanics, I believe), and 3) because the US is also 4 times more populous than is Germany.
Make no mistake, German police are no saints, and their history is as dark as any on earth. Anyone remember the SS/Gestapo?
Anonymous above was me. Damn wordpress.
bb,
But they dont consistently win, ssdi this is not.
You are dumb enough to be a public school teacher.
Stuck
They don’t have many Negroes in Germany. And Germany’s population in 81 million. We have more people on welfare than the entire population of Germany. More than 30% are blacks, school drop outs, criminals, drug dealers, impregnating obese white chicks by the hundreds of thousands. Oh, and the cops are dangerous also, good point.
Llpoh,
My rebuttle:
You: “1) the US has more than 3 times as many guns per person as does Germany,”
Guns don’t cause crime. Can’t believe you would use this argument – only über-anti-gun assholes use this argument. There is no “More guns = more crime” correlation. In fact, just the opposite has been proven true.. ask John Lott.
You again: “2) there is less than a 1% black population in Germany compared to what 13% in the US, and blacks commit half the crime in the US, a huge percentage of the murders, and represent many (most I think) of the persons killed by police in the US (followed by Hispanics, I believe)”
Sooo, your point is that without negroes, our crime rate would be that of Belgium or some other peaceful country? Negroes are inherently violent criminal sociopaths? Followed by Hispanics? Sooo, your race dictates that you’ll be a criminal or not? And here I was being called an EEVIL WAAYYCISS!!
You again: “3) because the US is also 4 times more populous than is Germany.”
Yeah, and Haiti, Somalia, Liberia, South Africa, Guinea, etc, are all fractions of our size and have way worse rates of violent crime.. greater population does not equal greater crime rate…
“Make no mistake, German police are no saints, and their history is as dark as any on earth. Anyone remember the SS/Gestapo? ”
I knew you would break out this old canard… can’t resist a dig at us Germans, can you? You know damn well we are talking about POSTWAR Germany… Everyone on earth has dirty hands if you go back far enough… even American Indians…
Billy – 1) the more guns there are, the more jumpy cops are. Jumpy cops kill folks. And make no mistake, the number of guns in the US is absolutely a factor in the number of gun deaths in the US. I never advocate for gun control. There are some exceptions – Switzerland comes to mind, but they are somewhat more civilized on average than Americans. 2) blacks, for whatever reason, when taken as a whole demographic, are very violent indeed wherever they are found. I have never denied that. Why is a question for someone smarter than me. 3) not meant as a shot at Germans. Copfucks are copfucks no matter where they are found. My example was simply that given the opportunity copfucks turn on civilians like rabid dogs. It happened in Germany. It is happening in the US. It happens everywhere.
llpoh
GOOD to see you back, injun!!! Hope you had a restful break.
The Germans have a large minority of mooslim Turks. They’re almost as bad as neegrows. Mooslims are also a violent people wherever they are found.
I agree with you that a copfuk is a copfuk, regardless of origin. But in comparison, German cops TODAY are pussies (in a good way) when compared to the current brand of American Gestapo copfuks.
Don’t see how the SS is relevant. First, I believe about half of the SS consisted of foreigners …. the same breed Ukrainians fucking up Ukraine today. Second, EVERY nation on earth can raise up a SMALL amount of evil goons willing to suck their Owner’s balls, and kill their own people.
Glad you clarified you are not for gun control. The PEOPLE need MORE guns, not less.
Stuck – thanks.
I am profoundly convinced that cops will turn on their people, no matter where they are from. History seems to support that.
Re guns, I certainly do not support gun control. The people need guns to ensure they can fight tyranny – it is as simple as that. But that is not to say I do not recognize the horrific toll on life that is taken in the US by guns. Idiots and criminal elements and copfucks misuse guns all the time, and a lot of folks die. Switzerland has a lot of guns – rifles in particular – and very few folks are killed by gun. The Swiss have a common culture (and the only black Swiss I know of is Tina Turner), with almost all of their gun deaths suicide. I think there should be mandatory gun safety and use classes. Kind of like drivers ed in school. Everyone should be taught how to use them, and how to handle them. Then maybe there would be fewer “accidents”, and maybe more smart folks would own them, which might well reduce gun crime. If everyone packed a hogleg, violent crime would drop, for sure.
Interestingly, Venezuela has 10 guns per 100 people, and the US 97. Venezuela total gun death rate is 5 times greater than that in the US – but there are almost 20 times more gun homicides per capita. If a country ever should allow their citizens access to guns it is Venezuela. Only criminals have guns there now, and they are slaughtering the innocent.
bb, the warrior Yeshu.
See bb, this is why you get one bullet.
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Because the town sheriff, Andy Taylor (Andy Griffith) wouldn’t trust Barney with a loaded gun, for fear of accidentally shooting himself or an innocent bystander, Barney never carried a loaded gun, but rather kept one bullet in his left shirt breast pocket.
The only time he used his gun was to start the potato sack races for the annual Mason’s picnic.
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Llpoh,
I am glad as well that you’re not some anti-gun asshole.
However, your point re: training classes should be mandatory, like driver’s ed classes?
Not only no, but HELL NO!
1. Driving a car is not codified into the Bill of Rights. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right.
2. Firearms ownership is a hard-core POLITICAL right, not a “civil” right. Political power grows from the barrel of a rifle, and firearms ownership is every bit the equal of, if not superior to, the right to vote. It is probably the ONLY hard-core political right we have left that actually matters.
Follow me on this last one…
3. If you make firearms training mandatory, then who will enforce the mandate? The State, of course. They get to set the narrative. And if that is true, then
a) Them setting the narrative means the State gets to tell you if you “qualify” to own a firearm or not. And if that is true, then
b) If they are the ones who tell you that you are competent to own a firearm, then you recognize their authority to say “yes”. And if that is true, then
c) You also recognize the reverse – their authority to say “no”. And if that is true, then
d) If you recognize their authority to say “yes” or “no” to you owning a firearm, then your “right” turns into a “privilage” – and a privilage means that you automatically recognize the authority of the state to take that away for any reason, or no reason, at all. You have no recourse. You do not petition the State – literally asking – for a right.
Same as applying for a “permit” to build on your land. If you apply for a “permit” – literally asking “permission”, for that is what a “permit” is – then by default you recognize the authority of the State to say “no”. You have no recourse in a court of law if they do say “no”. None. Any two bit lawyer will tell you so. If you just think it up and do it, no “permission”, then you have legal standing if/when the State comes calling…
Make training courses “mandatory” – a test of competency – and give the power to administer such tests to the State, and sooner or later, your right to own a firearm goes away. Bet on it. It’s the same phony logic they’re pushing for “mental illness”. Well, who gets to say what “mentally ill” actually is? The State, of course. They can literally declare anything they want to be symptomatic of “mental illness”. Angry at our government? Oh, you’re mentally ill. Don’t like certain people? Racist – that’s mental illness right there – no guns for you. Don’t like having your daily bread robbed from you at gunpoint by armed state thugs under color of law, using the euphemism “taxes”? Mentally ill – sorry, no guns for you, either… which also begs a whole ‘nother bag of worms – Do you get your guns back if you take the right medications? Do you get them back if you go through a bunch of therapy? Do you get them back if you go through re-education classes?
It’s the camel’s nose under the tent. You’ve fallen for the oldest trick they have – wrapping their arguments up in the right words –
“Oh, we’re just pushing for COMMON SENSE legislation, that’s all… any REASONABLE person would support our initiative against GUN VIOLENCE…”
“Common sense” = it ain’t. Saying it is don’t make it so.
“Reasonable” = anyone opposed to our incrementalization efforts is automatically UN-reasonable…
“Gun violence” = puts the onus on the gun, as if guns are in and of themselves violent or the cause of violence. It’s CRIMINALS which are violent, not guns. The responsibility is therefore on the gun, and the criminal is somehow not responsible for his actions… “the gun made me do it” is this logic.
Your remark “horrific toll on life”… fact is, car deaths way outnumber firearms deaths in the US, but you don’t hear anyone BAWW-ing about outlawing cars. Smoking also kills way more Americans, but nobody would think to outlaw tobacco. Fatburgers and shitty fast food cause multiples of millions of heart attacks every year… nobody saying shit about closing down McDonald’s, Taco Hell or Burger Thing…
The fact that mass shootings are so fantastically rare is the reason why they get so much airplay. Also, the “anti’s” skew figures to square with their argument – they count 18 and 19 year old gang-bangers righteously shot dead by cops in the commission of a felony as “children” or “teens” dead as a result of “gun violence”… meh. Fact is, true “accidental” shootings of children – toddlers, etc – are also so fantastically rare that I believe the CDC had the number of “accidental” shooting deaths of children as actually zero for the year. Not statistical zero, the NUMBER zero. NONE. This was only a couple years ago. And it hasn’t gone up remarkably since then. The “for the children” argument falls flat in the face of this…
We can bat around why the Swiss have high gun ownership and low crime some other time… but I am confident I know why…
sorry… should be “multiples of thousands”… not “multiples of millions”… got carried away…
Thanks..
B
People should know how to use guns. End of story. That means they need to be trained.
I agree that what you are saying is true – if you let govt interfere, they will try to control. That is a different argument and we are agreed.
I think folks should not only have the right to guns, but they should have the obligation to have them. But we need to make sure folks know how to use them. Hell, I do not let my workers use a sharp object without training, but there are millions of folks running around with guns that have no idea what they are doing. And so people die.
Folks with guns have to know what they are doing, or folks are at risk. How do we ensure that people know how to use them? They have to be trained.
The Swiss require national service. I am not opposed to that.
I don’t care for when you break out the “end of story” thing… like YOU get to decide when a subject is over and done with and the rest of us mere mortals can go suck it…
Fact is, firearms training was passed on from father to son (and daughter) in a rite of passage that is now sneered at and belittled. My son has been shooting under my tutelage since he was 4 years old. He took his first deer at 10. He’s deadly accurate and very safe.
The basics for firearm safety can be taught in about 20 minutes. The problem lies when folks think that the State is the only legitimate arbiter of who is “trained” or not. When you say “WE” need to make sure folks are trained, that’s easy enough to say, but there’s issues that need addressing before we are in agreement.
1. Firearms ownership should not hinge on “training”. You cannot have the right to arms codified into the Bill of Rights, then make it conditional based on some after-the-fact “training”… it either is, or it is not. Pick one.
2. What constitutes “training”? To what level? And who gets to certify that someone is “competent” or not? What are their qualifications and why is their opinion worth more than mine?
3. Who, exactly, is “WE”? The State? Society at large? Some vague as-yet-to-be-determined independent certifying group? Where do they get their authority? And what happens if someone refuses to jump through their little hoops? You can’t rescind a right based on a paperwork violation. And what about folks who live out in the bush, like in the Alaskan backcountry? You think they’re going to dog-sled or snow-mobile hundreds of miles just to get a checkmark in some box on a form?
4. How much does this “training” cost? Since when do you have to pay anything to exercise a political right? And if folks don’t have to pay for their “training”, then who pays for it? Taxes? That’s the same thing. Folks vote for free. Charging them fees to vote has been struck down. Why should firearms ownership be any different? And I would argue that uninformed voters pose a much greater danger to the Republic than folks with privately owned weapons…
5. Why should firearms ownership hinge on military service? It’s a political right. And if you make “everyone” a member of the military – the unorganized militia (and they are) – then that means that “everyone” has the right to own the weapons of the Infantryman – select fire weapons, squad automatic weapons, tripod mounted crew served guns, mortars, grenades, antitank rockets, Stingers, etc… if military service is a pre-requisite, and everyone is a member, then everyone can own these things (NB: I don’t have a problem with this personally.. but you think that’s gonna fly? BAHH-HAHAHHAH!!!).
You cannot remove “risk” from life. It’s impossible and a fool’s errand to try. You can minimize risk on a personal level, but imposing unworkable, unconstitutional restrictions on people isn’t the way to do it.
And I wouldn’t want to live in a world without risk. Boooooring…
Llpoh,
The reason the Swiss have near universal firearms ownership and low crime is because they are a homogenous, mature, Christian, moral, ethnic white Republic. Not because they have mandatory military service. That plays a part in competency, but it’s not the reason why they have a peaceful country.
What we have right now is the ethnic equivalent of a monkey fucking a football. A cluster fuck. An amoral, heterogeneous, dysfunctional, relativistic mass of squabbling tribes all looking for a handout from Big Daddy government.. Once upon a time we were as the Swiss are, but younger. Thanks to the rise of the Left, that train wreck called The 60’s, Boomers, massive 3rd world immigration, etc, there’s not a hope in hell of ever getting back to what the Framers intended…
A European visited the US once, back in The Before Time. I think he might have even been French. He found everyone armed to the teeth, but he said it was the most polite society he had ever seen…
Billy – the end of story comment very simply meant that if folks are going to own guns they need to know how to handle and use them. Your father to son idea is great, but it is not working. So we need to figure out how tomake sure people get trained.
Re the Swiss, I think they must have weapons by law. A rifle is mandatory, I believe.
I am not suggesting military service equates to gun ownership. I am saying that people must be trained re guns. Make it so, one way or another. You are arguing mechanics. I am happy to let you train them. Or a marine drill sarge. Etc.
Rights are not unfettered. You cannot scream fire in a theater despite the right to freedom of expression. Gun ownership is no different. The right exists but it is not entirely unfettered. Untrained people put others at risk, and my right to safety is fundamental as well – I have the right to life. That trumps all other rights.
It is not much to ask that gun owners know what the fuck they are doing so that they do not kill innocents. People have no right to put me or my family at risk. If they want to blow their own foot off, fine by me. But not my foot, thanks very much.
For instance, the second amendment says the people have the right to keep and bear arms. What about a two year old? A five year old? A felon? There are exceptions and qualifications everywhere.
Billy seems happy to let unqualified, unsafe folks exercise their rights to guns at the cost of lives of innocent folks. It does not make sense to me.
He is right re the mechanisms and the problems. But that does not mean it should not be done.
Want to own a handgun or machine gun or bazooka? Fine by me. So long as you know how to safely use it., I could care less. Matter of fact, I would rather want my neighbors to be well armed.
But I really would prefer not to have a newbie next door run out and buy a machinegun if they have never handled a gun before. Not much to ask, really.
Copfuks tell a guy in a wheelchair to “stand up”, cant ride a wheelchair as if you are a pedestrian.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/larry-dodson/
I saw one common denominator in every one of those videos- excluding people already in custody.
Densely populated urban areas.
I have an experiment for you. Go out and get yourself a 20 gallon fish tank and put a male and female white mouse in it and wait about a year. Feed and water them regularly but do not make any attempt to control the population density. Let us know how their behavior starts to change when the environment becomes overpopulated.
Why we think we are so smart when we routinely deny our nature and live in completely artificial environments is beyond my ability to understand. I am shocked by how infrequently violent acts take place- of course there are always closed doors behind which video cameras do not operate, so there’s that explanation.
I just got back from a brief trip into the Northeastern megalopolis of the NYC/Philadelphia corridor. The levels of perceptible anxiety, agitation and the associated behaviors that accompany densely populated areas were unmistakable. Private behaviors like blasting loud music in public spaces, pushing, shoving, sidewalk crowding, spitting, swearing, loud talking, improper stares, invading personal space, interrupting strangers conversations, people hitting or touching other people’s private property, etc were easily and commonly observed. Civic decay was evidenced in abundant and profuse displays of vandalism like graffiti and litter. People in cars and pedestrians in crosswalk areas behaved as if they were on opposing teams in some kind of ongoing contact sport. Exchanges in the most commonplace forums like stores and shops were almost devoid of pleasantries and kind words and looks, but rather every purchase was a challenge, both for reasons of common language and understood practices. I always say thank you and your welcome and with very few exceptions there was no response- as if I had simply interrupted them in something pressing and spouted gibberish. I won’t even go into the reckless driving I witnessed at speeds that would have resulted in horrific crashes were it not for the almost universal understanding of every other driver that unlawful operation was now the norm. And the pervasive and distressing image of huge numbers of people immersed in personal technology while engaged in other tasks, from driving, to tending shop, to people sitting down in restaurants with dates completely ignoring one another to thumb their screens ceaselessly.
You know what else I noticed? Almost no one was smiling, anywhere, ever, not even children. The smiles I did see weren’t genuine either, but the kind of frozen toothy grins you see on chimps before they attack. I was there less than three days and I was exhausted from the sheer human effort of it. The energy put off by that many disconnected, unhappy, seething people in such a small area was disturbing. Coming home was like coming up from underwater after holding your breath to its limits.
If this is the plan for the future- everyone pushed out of rural areas and into urban centers according to Agenda 21, I cannot imagine the degree of human suffering that will accompany it.
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HF – I hate crowds. But interestingly, places like Tokyo are far safer than almost all of the US, and those poor bastards are packed in like sardines. So crowding does not necessarily mean violence.
My doomstead is finally underway and I can hardly wait.
GREAT arguments made by BOTH Billy and llpoh.
I think they are both on the same page, mostly.
But, llpoh says this —– “Billy seems happy to let unqualified, unsafe folks exercise their rights to guns at the cost of lives of innocent folks.” ——– That is blatantly untrue. Billy is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT for training.
Of course, anyone following their discourse, immediately understands their differences revolve around, 1) mandatory training, and then depending on that answer, 2) who does it …. the government, or the people themselves.
Billy seems to ignore the fact that if it is left to the people themselves, then millions of them will simply say “fuckit”, and just buy a gun and NEVER learn how to use it safely. That’s a fact. We’re a nation of lazy dumbfuks. We’re not like the Swiss.
Llpoh seems to dismiss the fact that getting the government involved can or will lead to loss of those rights. HIS safety is at risk. The irony here is that our governmentfuk politicians pass endless (and, burdensome) laws exactly for the same reason ….. safety …. and for the children.
I cannot declare a winner. I know that makes me a pussy. But, both make excellent arguments.
Swiss chicks out for a leisurely bike ride. Is this fucking BEAUTIFUL, or not? (I’m taking about the rifles.)
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The Swiss militia policy of a rifle in every home deterred a Nazi invasion. A Nazi attack would have cost far more in Wehrmacht blood than did the easy conquests of the other European countries, whose governments had restricted firearm ownership before the war. Many hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Swiss — and refugees who found sanctuary there — were saved because every Swiss had a rifle, and was prepared to resist.
American Founding Fathers such as John Adams and Patrick Henry greatly admired the Swiss militia, which helped inspire the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution — the preference for a “well regulated militia” as “necessary for the security of a free state,” and the guarantee of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” Late in the 19th century, the American military sent observers to Switzerland in hopes of emulating the Swiss shooting culture.
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http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/switzerland-gun-control-and-history.html
Swiss Gun Ownership – The REAL Story
“Although Switzerland is one of the most gun-friendly countries in the world, there have been some misconceptions concerning the rules and regulations governing Swiss gun ownership. American “gun-shop legend” has it that in Switzerland every home is required to keep a well maintained fully-automatic battle rifle ready to go at a moment’s notice and even that failure to maintain enough ammo in your possession will result in a fine from the authorities. However, this is not entirely accurate – at least not anymore. In this video, Rex discussed gun ownership in Switzerland with a participant of the Swiss shooting community. Although the shooting culture is very strong in Switzerland today, the laws governing private firearms ownership is more restrictive than many American gun writers make it sound.”
“For instance, the second amendment says the people have the right to keep and bear arms. What about a two year old? A five year old? A felon? There are exceptions and qualifications everywhere. ” — Llpoh
As I told ou (imma bit fuzzy on meds…. came back frm dentist,, gonna lay down after this( before, my son was shooting at the ripe old age of 4. During the push west, children not much older than that were given a firelock of some type, bag of shot, powder and a game bag. They were set to wandering the woods – unsupervised – because it was their job to score meat for the table. Too small to do work around the farm, the job of hunting meat fell to them. “Children” are completely capable of safely handling firearms. Always have been. Only recently has there been a pushback against children learning how to properly use firearms – right when it would do the most good. How many oldies on TBP tell of stories how they rode their bikes to school, rifle over the handlebars. Stored them in the closet. After school, they rode home the same way – but hunted on the way home too…
“Children shouldn’t have guns” argument is complete bullshit and flies in the face of 200 years of our history…
Felons? Well, see, once upon a time, there was this Republic called These United States. When a Bad Guy was caught doing something bad, and convicted, one of two things happened. He was either hanged, or he was sent to the state prison. Now, while in prison, his rights were suspended. When he did his time, he was square with the house upon release. And all of his rights were restored to him.. ALL of them, including gun ownership. Courts of the day wouldn’t DARE strip a man of his rights permanently. It’s only been recently that TPTB permanently stripped rights from citizens. So yeah, gun rights restored to felons. I got no problem with that.
“Billy seems happy to let unqualified, unsafe folks exercise their rights to guns at the cost of lives of innocent folks. It does not make sense to me.”
Translation: HEY! Look at that strawman! I shall knock it down!”
Dude, you know damn well I never said anything like that – never even HINTED at anything like that… so just stop, k?
Stucky, I’ll throw you a bone here…
Do it my way, and a few “untrained” will squeak by, but we’ll still have our guns.
Do it Llpoh’s way, and eventually, we won’t have any guns because the State took them all.
At least with my way, you end up with a constitutionally guaranteed right. His way? Ehh… not so much.
So, I declare myself the winner.
“So, I declare myself the winner.” ——— Billy
Not allowed you fuckin’ usurper!! That’s MY job!! (per TBP Debate Handbook, Volume 1, Revision 1, Chapter 1, Paragraph 1, Line 1 ….. read it yourself.)
I am awarding Llpoh a Penalty Shot.
Wait til Billy sees the size of the needle.
As Stuck says Billy and I are not truly far apart. I really think it would be better if everyone was required to own a gun. A lot of things would get better.