MILLENNIAL SOCIALISTS

Millennials voted Obama into office, twice, and how has that turned out? In addition, 42% of millennials consider themselves to be “socialist”, and so their socialist president is undoubtedly making them happy. If kids think socialism is going to work, when it’s failed every single time in history, shows what their intelligence, or more likely, the programming from public school to college liberal progressive socialists is working. We’re doomed.

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POLL: 42% of Millennials say they’re ‘socialist’…

16% know what it means…

The Secret Language of Millennials

Boomers just don’t understand what younger people are saying about politics and culture.

Fifty years ago, Baby Boomers and their parents suffered through what was ubiquitously understood as “the generation gap,” or the inability for different generations to speak clearly with one another.

The poll of Millennials was conducted by the Reason Foundation (the nonprofit publisher of Reason.com, the website and video platform I edit) and the Rupe Foundation earlier this spring. It engaged nearly 2,400 representative 18 to 29 year olds on a wide variety of topics.

This new generation gap certainly helps to explain why Millennials are far less partisan than folks 30 and older. Just 22% of Millennials identify as Republican or Republican-leaning, compared with 40% of older voters. After splitting their votes for George W. Bush and Al Gore in 2000 (each candidate got about 48%), Millennials have voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates in the 2004, 2008, and 2012 elections. Forty-three percent of Millennials call themselves Democrats or lean that way. Yet that’s still a smaller percentage than it is for older Americans, 49% of whom are Democrats or lean Democrat. Most strikingly, 34% of Millennials call themselves true independents, meaning they don’t lean toward either party. For older Americans, it’s just 10%.

Millennials use language differently than Boomers and Gen Xers (born between 1965 and 1980). In the Reason-Rupe poll, about 62% of Millennials call themselves liberal. By that, they mean the favor gay marriage and pot legalization, but those views hold little or no implication for their views on government spending. To Millennials, being socially liberal is being liberal, period. For most older Americans, calling yourself a liberal means you want to increase the size, scope, and spending of the government (it may not even mean you support legal pot and marriage equality). Despite the strong liberal tilt among Millennials, 53% say they would support a candidate who was socially liberal and fiscally conservative (are you listening, major parties?).

There are other areas where language doesn’t track neatly with Boomer and Gen X definitions. Millennials have no first-hand memories of the Soviet Union or the Cold War. Forty-two percent say they prefer socialism as a means of organizing society but only 16% can define the term properly as government ownership of the means of production. In fact, when asked whether they want an economy managed by the free market or by the government, 64% want the former and just 32% want the latter. Scratch a Millennial “socialist” and you are likely to find a budding entrepreneur (55% saying they want to start their own business someday). Although they support a government-provided social safety net, two-thirds of Millennials agree that “government is usually inefficient and wasteful” and they are highly skeptical toward government with regards to privacy and nanny-state regulations about e-cigarettes, soda sizes, and the like.

For all the attention lavished on the youthful, anti-capitalist Occupy movement a few years ago, it turns out that Millennials have strongly positive attitudes toward free markets (just don’t call it capitalism). Not surprisingly, they define fairness in a way that is less about income disparity and more about getting your due. Almost six in 10 believe you can get ahead with hard work and a similar number wants a society in which wealth is parceled out according to your achievement, not via the tax code or government redistribution of income. Even though 70% favor guaranteed health care, housing, and income, Millennials have no problem with unequal outcomes.

Like most older Americans, too, Millennials are deeply worried about massive and growing federal budgets and debt, with 78% calling such things a major problem.

It would be a real shame if we can’t have the sorts of conversations we need to address and remedy such issues because different generations are talking past each other. Millennials are different than Boomers or Gen Xers: Culture comes first and politics second to them. They are less partisan and they are less hung up about things such as pot use, gay marriage, and immigration. But in many ways, they agree with older generations when it comes to the value and legitimacy of work, the role of government in helping the poor, and the inefficiency of government to do that.

Everyone agrees that there are crises everywhere: Social Security and Medicare are going bust and the economy has been on life support for years. The best solutions will engage and involve Americans of all ages. The Reason-Rupe poll points to some places where generations are talking past each other and others where there is wide agreement. Giving its finding, a close read might just help narrow today’s generation gap so we can get on with improving all generations’ prospects.

http://time.com/2974185/millennials-poll-politics/

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Persnickety
Persnickety
July 11, 2014 4:37 pm

So basically they’re just idiots.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran
July 11, 2014 4:49 pm

Haven’t 18-29 year olds usually been socialists – in fact if not in name? In 1980, I voted for Barry Commoner – who was basically a socialist. Only when you get older and find yourself paying for other people’s “free” stuff do you stop believing in the existence of “free stuff”. Young people are usually ignorant, middle-aged people are often jaded (and ignorant) and old people are often selfish, greedy and ignorant. It’s the circle of life.

bb
bb
July 11, 2014 5:12 pm

So basically they’re just idiots.

backwardsevolution
backwardsevolution
July 11, 2014 5:32 pm

AWD – you are right, they are talking past each other. And whoever conducts these polls couches the words in a certain manner; they’re often looking for a particular answer, depending on who hired them.

“If you’re not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart; if you’re not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.” Winston Churchill

The government has got its hands in everything, and look how that’s turned out! I think there are a very few select areas where socialism is good, i.e. medicine, education. And I don’t mean programs like Obamacare. I mean medicine where the doctors and nurses get the money, not all of the middlemen. And education could be great, provided they were actually taught something, like where does money come from, who runs the Federal Reserve, who owns the government, etc., education where they get both sides of the equation on all topics, where they come out well-rounded.

Other than that, the government should protect borders, but not much else. Karl Denninger said (and, no, he wasn’t advocating this) that the government could give the bottom few rungs of income earners a minimum income, scrap all of the tax credits, and have a surplus every year. He said all the rest of the money (which puts you into a deficit every year) goes to paying off campaign contributors. These are the people who are getting the deficit money.

Good report, AWD.

Pirate Jo
Pirate Jo
July 11, 2014 5:34 pm

So basically they’re just idiots.

(No wonder they can’t find jobs.)

Eddie
Eddie
July 11, 2014 5:37 pm

Idiots no. Ignorant, yes.

They have not yet come to the realization that the current system considers tax payers to be an ATM to pay for wars that benefit Big Oil. . They haven’t actually gotten around to starting a business. They haven’t seen how the little guy gets screwed at every turn.

They still have ideals that haven’t been crushed by the reality of the corporate controlled state. They might be aware that the game is rigged, but they haven’t figured out who pulls the strings, and they have no clue how to do anything to fight back.

Some of them will eventually get the message. Some of them probably won’t. The way things are going, they may have problems to deal with that they haven’t even imagined.

harry p.
harry p.
July 11, 2014 5:50 pm

Backwards,
I was a repub at 20 but a libertarian by 25, i wonder what churchill would say that means?

SAH
SAH
July 11, 2014 6:07 pm

True belief in Socialism is a mental illness. Defining yourself as Socialist without knowing what it means is abject stupidity. That being said, let’s see how the youngsters turn out – ultimately a lot of these kids are libertarian more than anything else, they just need to have some of the stupid slapped out of them by grumpy old farts like the big dogs of TBP.

bb
bb
July 11, 2014 6:49 pm

Thank you Miss Misery , glad you’re back.This time man up and stick around. In other words grow some balls.

Gayle
Gayle
July 11, 2014 6:55 pm

Conversation overheard by me 15 min. ago between two Millenials:

Her ( breathlessly): Did you know Japan is, like, just an island? And they have big tsunamis all the time??

Him: Yeah. They have more little tsunamis.

And we expect them to know what “socialism” refers to?

Jeb
Jeb
July 11, 2014 7:33 pm

Certainly there is ignorance involved in the younger generations. Some of it is natural rebellion, and some of it is willfully chosen and will only disappear with life experience, but also, some of it is the fault of the older generations who allowed the school system to be subverted, and who bought into all the Boomertopian crapola of the past fifty years. It’s pretty hard to blame the millenials for the policies brought into being by their parents and grandparents.

Who’s fault is the soaring debt which has been running stupid since the 60’s? Who voted for “The Great Society?” Who chased men out of the teaching profession until it is now run by hairy legged feminists who hate boys? Who put these kids on Ritalin? Who destroyed the family with No-Fault Divorce and made “Latch-Key-Kids” the norm? Who ran up a national debt they will never, ever be able to pay off? Who started the student loans program? Whose parents failed to tell their kids college was a waste of time? Who allowed Christianity to be removed from society?

Everyone can pontificate and excuse themselves in one way or another, but about the only people I can see who are blameless for these types of policies are those who have had a vote for less than a decade.

I’m Gen-X, btw.

backwardsevolution
backwardsevolution
July 11, 2014 7:38 pm

harry p – “Backwards, I was a repub at 20 but a libertarian by 25, i wonder what churchill would say that means?”

He’d say you peaked early.

SSS
SSS
July 11, 2014 7:49 pm

“they (Millennials) just need to have some of the stupid slapped out of them by grumpy old farts like the big dogs of TBP.”
—-SAH

Welcome back, SAH. For the record, we’re not always grumpy.

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Rise Up
Rise Up
July 11, 2014 8:11 pm

@Eddie “the current system considers tax payers to be an ATM to pay for wars that benefit Big Oil.”

Not Big Oil, Eddie…try Big Banks.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 8:12 pm

“they (Millennials) just need to have some of the stupid slapped out of them by grumpy old farts like the big dogs of TBP.”
—-SAH

Jane you ignorant slut [I jest] I am not a big dog just some old fart evaporating into dust.

But I didnt vote for Obama, your age era did.

Group think is a bastards beyotch and it will bite all groups in their hov-a-round arse sooner or later.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 8:13 pm

BTW I am not grumpy for laughter is preferable to tears.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 8:25 pm

Okay SAH, Clammy, Mils, define what socialism is to you?

My understanding is that socialism is where the people own the means of production.

GM went into protectorship under the waning days of the GWB admin.

I guess GWB was a socialist?

Idiots. This was a financial bailout. Just like with all the other bailouts in 2008.

FT
FT
July 11, 2014 8:35 pm

“Despite the strong liberal tilt among Millennials, 53% say they would support a candidate who was socially liberal and fiscally conservative (are you listening, major parties?).”

No, the major parties aren’t listening, and they never will. Will Millennials ever figure out that voting Libertarian Party fits the bill for these 53%?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 9:16 pm

Yanno, I really can’t blame mils because of their age, it is just technology and how it can be used to form opinion, or use words bent on causing emotion….

But both parties, elected and not, and many a private business, have engaged in this.

Ants. I am reminded of an ant colony.

So I guess I should kiss the unseen Queens ass I do not know.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 9:18 pm

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods -AWD

You finally get that.

But is not what we have, today.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 9:21 pm

We have a system that produces, or prints, dollars, that welfare recipients spend to subsidize markets.

And this happens globally.

Globalization.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 11, 2014 9:25 pm

Damn, for a Dr AWD, you are just a nut seeking a squirrel.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 9:39 pm

Marx was clever, so now you see his hidden hand?

Bravo Doc.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill
July 11, 2014 9:52 pm

You obviously don’t pay taxes. – AWD

-Brav fucking O

I also dont collect any benefit from the grope.

Gayle
Gayle
July 11, 2014 10:22 pm

I remember well the controversial law that finally passed Congress in 1986. Americans were generally opposed to granting amnesty to 11 million illegal residents, but were finally won over with a provision in the law that required the southern border to be secured. Twenty eight years later, we are still waiting.

It became apparent long ago that our government has no intention of ever closing that border. I believe that we are to be folded with Mexico and Canada into a North American Union with a common currency and economy. Just last week, in some sort of official hearing, General Petraeus was asked, “What comes after America ?” He replied, “North America.”

Any of us can think of any number of ways to deal with this issue. Don’t waste your time – start. studying Spanish instead.

Gayle
Gayle
July 11, 2014 10:28 pm

Sorry

That last post belongs on the Chico thread.

Mike Moskos
Mike Moskos
July 12, 2014 12:46 am

The Fed and the Fed alone enables all that federal spending.

Seriously, I wonder if Janet thinks CONgress will pay her back–anything at all. She must know it simply can’t–and won’t–be done. I haven’t seen anyone detailed what happens when the Federal government defaults to the Fed.

Mike Moskos
Mike Moskos
July 12, 2014 12:49 am

One more thing: people heard what they wanted to hear during Obama’s campaign. He used the precise diction of a lawyer and backpedaled before he was elected. If you listened closely, he said he was not going to be the great Liberal hope of the millennials.