US VERSUS THEM, WE WILL WIN

The issue of gun control and the taking away of our Constitutional rights is far from over. As long as there are insane liberals, our freedom will always be at risk. Obama and the liberal progressives have created a 100 million-strong FSA, the largest standing army on the planet. When Obama’s socialism runs out of other people’s money, the parasites will burn, loot, murder, and rampage their way through our country until everything is gone. Some of us will protect ourselves no matter the cost. Let’s hope the liberal progressive gun-grabber control freaks are victimized first!

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Why Liberal Attacks on Gun Nuts Will Lose a Culture War

By Paul M. Barrett July 18, 2014

Watching liberal activists circle and poke at the National Rifle Association and even more extreme gun-rights groups reminds me of bear baiting. Except in this version of the spectacle, the bear wins. Two current examples from my e-mail in-box:

• Ted Nugent spews crazy, racist venom, Media Matters has learned. At this late date, what sentient American citizen doesn’t know that the over-the-hill rocker and NRA director has a screw loose? Don’t get me wrong. The man is noxious. I’ve sat in the audience at NRA pep rallies as he intersperses ear-splitting electric guitar solos with spitting-angry rants about nonexistent conspiracies to take away his Glock pistols. In one recent dispatch, Media Matters breathlessly informed me that Nugent wrote a column for the paranoiac WND website in which he discussed how “the squawking poor just keep getting poorer, and as is always the case, they have no one to blame but themselves. Stupid is as stupid does.” In another alert, Media Matters noted a Nugent column opining that President Barack Obama’s election represented “the worst case of racism I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.” Insightful stuff.

• Larry Pratt has scary ideas about firearms. Rolling Stone this week published a fascinating profile of the head of Gun Owners of America, which opposes any regulation whatsoever of firearms. The piece has been zealously embraced by activists such as Mark Kelly, husband of shooting survivor Gabby Giffords, the former Arizona congresswoman. Kelly, co-founder with Giffords of Americans for Responsible Solutions, condemned Pratt for his assertions that widespread civilian ownership of firearms provides a check against the forces of tyranny. Pratt’s perspective becomes all the more troubling when one learns that he has written an essay, “What Does the Bible Say About Gun Control,” in which he asserted the following: “If Christ is not our King, we shall have a dictator to rule over us.” Connect the dots and Pratt seems to be insinuating that he favors overthrow of non-theocratic government.

I agree that it’s shameful that the NRA tolerates, let alone promotes, a nut like Nugent. I also agree that Pratt represents a dangerous strain of religiously based insurrectionism that runs through some fringes of American society. What I question is whether the gun-control movement should intermingle calls for modest regulatory changes—limits on ammunition magazine capacity, for example—with engagement in a broader (and ultimately futile) culture war that the likes of Nugent and Pratt relish.

An alternate approach, strangely eschewed by the gun-control movement, would frame calls for additional regulation as an element of smart anti-crime policy. Such an argument would go like this: Let’s try policy X to address the problem of crime Y. The argument would be supported by social science and testimony from law enforcement officials.

Or gun-control advocates could frame an anti-crime argument this way: Over the past quarter-century, many large cities, such as New York, have sharply reduced violent crime, including gun crime. What has changed in New York, and how can those changes be replicated in other places?
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The reason that advocates on both sides of the debate prefer to hurl ad hominem invective and invoke conspiracy theories, I suspect, is that such appeals are a good way to rouse the faithful—and to raise money. Ted Nugent and Larry Pratt learned that lesson a long time ago and they stick by it.

Liberals who fight on their foes’ preferred rhetorical battleground may get some fellow-thinkers to open their checkbooks. But since pro-gun enthusiasts tend to hew to their positions with greater intensity, culture war favors the NRA and Pratt’s Gun Owners of America. Bear baiting doesn’t advance the search for policies likely to reduce street crime—or prevent the next mass shooting by a suicidal 20-year-old determined to express his rage by destroying a batch of innocents, along with himself.

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Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 8:39 am

This Barrett sounds like a real dick-sucking candy ass… the entire article is just “Pro-gun folks are insane because I say so. Plus they’re big meanies. And raaaciss too (3 a’s, 2 s’s is the proper spelling)”.

The only bit that isn’t butthurt crybaby bullshit is the last piece – “But since pro-gun enthusiasts tend to hew to their positions with greater intensity, culture war favors the NRA and Pratt’s Gun Owners of America.”

In normal english – “Gun owners BELIEVE in the Constitution and have the courage of their convictions. That’s why us dick-sucking candy ass libfucks will lose, unless we think up a new, different way to destroy the Constitution.”

Stucky
Stucky
July 19, 2014 9:46 am

Gun-haters should be forced to move to Ukraine.

This is what happens when the government has guns, ……… and citizens don’t.

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Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 10:00 am

Hey AWD,

It didn’t get much press, but when Commiefornia clamped down on “assault weapons” (a misnomer I hate so much, I just threw up a bit in the back of my mouth, just typing it) the State Legislature told the cops to go door to door and round them up.

They started, and there were a few stories of “standoffs”, etc, with the SWATfucks storming the house, etc… they got the guns, but they also started losing SWATfucks. Like, one per raid.

The copfuk union went to the State Legislature and told them “If you want the guns rounded up, YOU do it.”

Like that one fella who grew up in a Communist shithole said – when the raids by the secret police and death squads started, if people grabbed whatever they could and armed themselves, then set on the thugs when they came to disappear people, TPTB would run out of thugs very quickly. If you were a thug, and each time you went out to do your master’s bidding, you knew there was a very good chance of you not coming home, well, would you want to do that job?

Same thing. They came for the guns. And each time, at least one thug got killed. After a few raids, they wised up and that shit stopped. Same thing in Connecticut:

Craven Ball Sacks: “You can’t have these guns. We said so.”
Everyone: “Then come get them.”
Craven Ball Sacks: “Uh.. erm… hey copfuks! Go get those guns!”
Copfuks: “Wait. What? No way! YOU go get them! I got a family!”
Craven Ball Sacks: “Uh.. erm… well… ”
Everyone: “Yeah. That’s what we thought. STFU and leave us alone.”

pietropaulo
pietropaulo
July 19, 2014 10:21 am

Sorry guys, you’re dead wrong.

It’s NOT about Dem or Repub. They’re both controlled by the shadow government. The Dems serve you baloney and the Repubs serve you salami. Both are made from scraps you wouldn’t eat in a minute. Nope, no steak for you guys, just the scraps that BOTH liberals and conservatives serve.

After the first invasion of Iraq, Bush the first imposed brutal sanctions on Iraq that killed 500,000 CHILDREN and BABIES and maimed several million more.

That REALLY punished Saddam and his henchmen, didn’t it? They were probably overcome with grief and anguish.

Meanwhile, Secretary of state at the time, Madeline Albright said that the action “was worth it” to a TV reporter. WORTH IT? TO WHOM? HOW?

And did Cunton, that bleeding heart fuckface LIBERAL change the policy? Nope, for his entire term it stayed in place.

Until, of course, Bush 2 the idiot son, was installed and they invaded Iraq a second time, and again, under false pretenses.

No, my friends, there’s NO difference between the two parties. You’ve been suckered into thinking so and you’ve been trained like lap dogs to hate each other.

pietropaulo
pietropaulo
July 19, 2014 10:38 am

AWD, you prove my point in spades. Don’t you know that under the idiot Bush, during Katrina, Swat teams went door to door confiscating guns? Don’t you have ANY idea as to who’s really in charge?

If this ISN’T a Dem vs Repub post, YOU made it so.

And your personal invective and foul language paints gun owners, of which I hapen to be, in a really good light,,, from YOUR point of view.

It’s like that famous picture of a redneck holding a sign saying. “get a Brain, Morans”

Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 10:41 am

The thing is guys, all’s we have ever asked is TO BE LEFT ALONE.

That’s it.

Clueless infected ball sacks like this Barrett shitbird are completely ignorant of American History. And I will prove it.

Craven Infected Ball Sack: “Larry Pratt has scary ideas about firearms. Rolling Stone this week published a fascinating profile of the head of Gun Owners of America, which opposes any regulation whatsoever of firearms.”

As if this is a new, novel and “scary” idea…

Prior to 1933, there were NO REGULATIONS regarding firearms ownership whatsoever on the Federal level. None. Zero. Nada. Nichts. In fact, prior to 1933, it was assumed by SCOTUS that the IIA meant that every man had the right to the arms of the Infantryman. Including select fire weapons, bayonets, tripod mounted medium machineguns, grenades, mortars and even Infantry Guns (smallish artillery pieces deployed by the Infantry of the day).

It was so common, you could order a Thompson Submachine Gun, a bunch of 100 round drum magazines and crates of ammo through a Sears catalog. Delivered to you, personally, through the US Mail. No stupid, insipid background checks that did jack shit, no hoops to jump through, no gun police to look up and down every orifice of your body before “allowing” you to own them… you just thought it up and did it. With the court’s blessing.

Not a very “new” or “scary” idea. Bed-wetting faggots like Barrett would have us all up in arms over such an idea, when our Grandfathers LIVED it.

More:

Then came 1933 and that fucking cripple FDR. Using the excuse of sensationalized gangster violence – turf wars during Prohibition – they rammed through the National Firearms Act of 1933 (it was rammed through in ’33. Became effective in ’34). Thing is, the fucking GOVERNMENT ITSELF was responsible for creating and fostering the criminal environment that allowed the rise of the gangsters via Prohibition and the black market booze trade.

But NFA34 is bullshit writ large. A smoke-screen. We got played.

By the time NFA 34 came around, Prohibition had been repealed and the gangster turf wars were over. The problem was solved.

The FDR Administration knew which way SCOTUS had ruled in the past. So, they decided to sell NFA 34 as “a revenue generating measure” – $200 tax, per gun. This bullshit is specifically prohibited – using excessive taxation to ban something. The cost of a Thompson SMG at the time was about $200, depending on model, etc. The average line worker at Ford only made about $150 per month, take home. Which is only $1800 a year.

Which means if you wanted a Thompson, you would not only have to blow over a month’s wages during the height of the Depression, but you had to come up with ANOTHER $200 on top of that just to pay the “tax”. This amounted to 25% of your yearly wages. This is the DEFINITION of prohibitive taxation…

We know NFA34 is bullshit because for over 40 years, it was classified under the Department of Trade. Remember, it was a REVENUE GENERATING MEASURE – not “gun control”… their own words, not mine.

But even that is bullshit because you know how many NFA weapons were “registered” in 1935?

One.

I wonder what the Government did with all that loot they “generated” by ramming through NFA34?

It was challenged, of course. Some rube, I have since forgotten his name, got himself arrested. Not for making illegal hooch, but because his shotgun was 1/16th of an inch too short. He got a lawyer and fought it. And he won. It was appealed. He won on appeal. It was appealed again. He won on the 2nd appeal. The government was getting it’s ass kicked.

Then came SCOTUS. “For some reason” the guy – I think his name was Miller – didn’t show up at court. Neither did his lawyer. You’d think that a guy on a winning streak and his lawyer would just blow off arguing – and winning – in front of SCOTUS would have made it a point to show up.

SCOTUS, having only the Government’s man present, decided to hear the case anyway. I know – What the fuck? Right? – The Government’s man, of course, lied his craven ass off and SCOTUS found NFA34 to be “constitutional”…. we KNOW he lied his craven ass off because we have the court transcripts.

The fact is that SCOTUS at the time was packed with FDR cronies is of little concern to Ball Sacks like Barrett. Or the fact that Mr. Miller and his lawyer were never heard from again. Literally. They just fell off the face of the earth. Which leads me to believe that that fucking cripple FDR didn’t want his legislation shot down, so he had his cronies “disappear” Mr. Miller and his lawyer. Fucking killed them and buried the bodies someplace where they would never be found.. can’t win if you can’t argue your case.

Ball Sack Barrett is, of course, totally ignorant of all this. Which is bad enough. The alternative – that he is aware of all this, but chooses to misrepresent history anyway – means that he is one evil, lying, worthless piece of shit.

Welshman
Welshman
July 19, 2014 10:49 am

Billy,

Can you give time and place of the gun round-up in Commiefornia, as I don’t remember any such incidence taking place.

pietropaulo
pietropaulo
July 19, 2014 10:54 am

And you WON’T win. Haven’t you seen all the videos showing the cops being outfitted with MILITARY grade arms, vehicles, UNIFORMS, albeit a different color,,,, DHS bought 1.5 BILLION rounds of hollow point ammo. Even the FDA has been armed to the teeth.

How many Republicans have taken a stand AGAINST all of this, a handful at the most,, the rest are marching to the same drummer.

All it takes is ONE lawmaker to invoke impeachment proceedings. Do you see any Repubs stepping up to the plate? No, they all learned what was done to Kennedy as a result of Executive Order 11110. Look it up. Imagine, a LIBERAL tried to take back the constitutional imperative that ONLY the government has the right to issue the currency of the nation. Any Republicans willing to take the chance? Not a chance in hell.

The petrodollar is rapidly losing its status as the world’s reserve currency and when all those printed pieces of paper start coming home in a flood, massive infaltion will be the result. The economy and financial system will collapse and civil war will be the result. I certainly hope we win but talk is cheap,,, once the bullets really start flying,,,

This is why they’re trying to start a war with Russia, via Ukraine. They do it every single time. Gives them an excuse to lock down the country and run everything from Washington. Everything, food distribution, YOUR money in YOUR bank account, fuel, electricity,,, you name it. If a city resists too strongly, they’ll just blow up a few substations on the outskirts. You might have a Coleman stove to fry your baloney with but when THAT runs out?

Sorry, you’re fucked and you’re clueless.

Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 11:12 am

@ Welsh,

The guy I got the info from is on a different site. Ex cop. I’m sort of on-and-off today and will have to hunt him down and put the question to him, then forward the info to you. You are, of course, absolutely correct to ask for backstopping a point like that. I will make an effort to provide you with as much info as I can…

@ pietropaulo

More defeatist bullshit. Your argument is the same old canard “But.. but… they got tanks and jet fighters! What are you gonna do with a puny rifle?” Been running into this bullshit my whole life.

It’s usually put forth by clueless knobs who have ZERO FUCKING EXPERIENCE in asymmetrical 4G warfare.

We bent our military might against a bunch of illiterate goat herds who live in caves in Afghanistan. We’re leaving, and in case you didn’t notice THEY ARE STILL THERE. Their will unbroken. We didn’t win. They did. Same thing happened in Vietnam. THEY ARE STILL THERE. Same thing happened in Iraq.

We’re great at fighting conventional war. We suck at fighting insurgent warfare. And what do you think will happen here in the US? Bunch of guys with rifles are going to square off against tanks, drones, fighter-bombers, etc? Don’t be a bigger dumbshit than you already are… we’re gonna do the same thing our forefathers did – fight dirty.

You’re an idiot. A clueless moron made more dangerous because you have a platform to spew the shit that flies out your cock holster…

If you counted everyone – from burger flippers to gas pumpers, Nasty Guard and Reserve – the US Army only has 1.5 million people in it. Even with all our technological prowess and 1.5 million guys, we couldn’t control a 3rd world country the size of Vermont. What makes you think the same bunch that failed over in the M.E. will be successful in a country the size of the Continental United States? They DO NOT have enough manpower. They know it. We know it.

You’re spewing Rule 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

Do the rest of us a favor. Shut the fuck up. Pretty please. And go crawl back down your hole, you Saul Alinsky fanboi dick sucking defeatist fag…

Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 11:29 am

@ Welsh

I reached out to the guy. Answer pending. Will post what I find out.

B.

hardscrabble farmer
hardscrabble farmer
July 19, 2014 12:11 pm

Do any of the gun control advocates ever push for the disarmament of the government? If guns are dangerous, then it would stand to reason that it doesn’t matter who has them. So guns themselves are necessary in order to enforce laws, edicts, etc. The real problem then would be who is statistically more likely to misuse them? Civilians or governments? Can we get a body count and then decide?

Gun control advocates are almost always totalitarian types, i.e. My philosophy is correct and yours is wrong, therefore you have to accept my ideology and I don’t have to accept yours.The government agrees with me and will use there guns to make sure that you comply with my will. Who can argue with that kind of logic?

Gun control advocates are almost always the most uninformed people in the world in the use and mechanics of these tools. They don’t own them, have never used them, don’t know how they operate, what the names of the parts are, etc. You wouldn’t listen to a doctor who didn’t know the parts of the human body were or what function they performed, why would you take policy advice from someone who is ignorant of the subject?

Gun control advocates never seem to make the connection between the use of firearms by criminals (who by their very nature ignore laws and edicts) and the use of firearms by responsible citizens. Crime rates in gun free zones are ALWAYS higher than in areas where gun ownership is ubiquitous. The failure to observe readily available facts in an effort to create a more violent and dangerous environment for everyone ought to be a reason to ignore rather than accept their arguments.

I own and use firearms in the same way I own and use power tools as they were intended to be used. I understand their functions, how to maintain them, how to handle them safely and when required for the task at hand. I would no more accept a ban on my possessions and their use than I would try and ban motor vehicles and fast food even though both of those cause far more deaths and physical harm than firearms ever have.

The problem, once again always boils down to those who advocate for human freedom and personal responsibility and those who champion tyranny and the complete submission of the individual to the State. At the point of a gun.

Isn’t it ironic, dontcha think?

Rise Up
Rise Up
July 19, 2014 12:38 pm

@Billy: “… we’re gonna do the same thing our forefathers did – fight dirty.”

+1000

Billy
Billy
July 19, 2014 1:17 pm

Raging Against Self Defense: A psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality By Sarah Thompson, M.D.

Read this article a long time ago…. only place I can find it anymore is over on JPFO. If you use the techniques listed, it drives the anti-gun crowd bat-shit. 🙂 I literally had one guy yelling at me “GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!” Heh, heh…

http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm

ragman
ragman
July 19, 2014 1:46 pm

The Rolling Stone article was probably the worst article ever written….anywhere! John Ross’ “Unintend Consequenses” is an incredibly well written novel that happens to contain the history of the un-constitutional gun control “laws” passed in the USofA. A must read for all Patriots. A perusal of the writings of our Founding Fathers, the Federalists, and most importantly the Anti-Federalists will indicate that these folks intended that the average American Citizen would have access to exactly the same weapons that the standing army had. Muskets. FF to 2014 and that equates to select-fire ARs, AKs, MP5s, M14s or whatever else your little heart desires. The purpose is to counteract tyranny and this is why Obongo, Pelosi, Fineswine, Schumer, ETAL are shitting in they pants. They are petty tyrants and they know that the Great Unwashed(us) must be disarmed before we can be enslaved. Good luck with that!

Sensetti
Sensetti
July 19, 2014 5:56 pm

Fuck them Gun Grabbin God Damn Democrats and that black bastard they call Dear Leader.

Sensetti
Sensetti
July 19, 2014 6:17 pm

Been workin tons of hours the last four months. I read TBP some, never have time to post.

But …….Tonight I have my drink on.

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pietropaulo
pietropaulo
July 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Jeeezus. Y’all keep proving my point. Thanks.

Obama is just carrying on the agenda begun by the Bushes and Cunton.

And you keep discrediting sane and responsible gun owners with your vitriol and foul rhetoric. Who’s side are you REALLY on ?

Obama’s gay and Michelle is a MAN. Had his dick taken off and grew boobs with whoremones.

I’m no fan of either party, THEY ALL WORK FOR THE SAME MASSA.

You’re falling into their mindfuck trap. If only McCain or Romney had won, all them hollow points woulda been returned for a refund and all them militarized police would have their new toys and armor and shit taken away from them and they’d forget their military style training and go back to helping little old ladies across the street. Sure.

Oh, and Iraq would have been won in two weeks and a ‘surge’ in Afghanistan woulda showed who’s boss.

USA,USA,USA.

Yeah sure.

But you ARE right about civil war. And you’re right that the American spirit WILL rise and try to take back the country. That is exactly what they’re afraid of and they ARE preparing.

And as in any war, no one can predict who’s going to win. There are many dozens of FEMA camps and a dozen or so “fusion centers” with nearly a million, plastic coffins on the ready. They are very well organized and prepared.

And yes, as you say, a bunch of ragheads beat the best the USA could muster,,, they did the same to the Russians and they did the same to Alexander the Great,,, who, by the way, was bi-sexual, if not totally gay.

BUT, think of this. Invading a country and losing is one thing. A homeland army trained to fight and kill Americans on their own turf is another because it’s THEIR turf too and they have a very well organized control and command center.

As I said, all they have to do is shut off the electricity and blockade the roads. Cut off the water too. Easy peasy,,, wake up.

STOP THEM NOW before it’s too late. Don’t let them have you at each other’s throats, WE’RE ALL AMERICANS FIRST. Forget the inane left/right politics with the cute photo-shop. You think their feelings will be so hurt they’ll take their ball and go home ?

Good god people.

Anonymous
Anonymous
July 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Billy said in response to pietropaulo:
“Do the rest of us a favor. Shut the fuck up. Pretty please. And go crawl back down your hole, you Saul Alinsky fanboi dick sucking defeatist fag… ”

I don’t agree with Billy often, at least not in writing, but I’m in full agreement here. Just STFU pietropaulo because you’ve already been beaten before the battle started.

IndenturedServant
IndenturedServant
July 19, 2014 6:53 pm

Anon above twas I.

indialantic
indialantic
July 19, 2014 7:57 pm

If you think most people here at TBP are hardcore Republicans, you would be incorrect, pietropaulo.

“STOP THEM NOW before it’s too late.”

What are you saying (recommending), pietropaulo? Armed revolution tomorrow? Right now? Why?

Nick A
Nick A
July 19, 2014 8:55 pm

Think outside he box folks.

the “They are coming to get MY Guns” rhetoric may well be just another means to stir the populace up. Push a little harder, and the gun fan club will start to organise rallies (and in the land of the NSA don’t think for one moment that “The Management” would not use such gatherings as an intelligence bonanza!)

Names, addresses (via vehicle index plates), local cell phone call logs (with the ability to cross link call origination and destination in realtime), bingo – hard evidence of “who’s who” and who would be the best target for enhanced surveillance.

Maybe “they” intend society as it exists now to collapse, and “they” have already planned the outcomes. It is hardly beyond reasonable possibility that “their” plan is to withdraw from society, cut off e.g. power, and sit back while the carnage develops – carnage where the hyped-up “Gun Crowd” do their population management for them (and take the casualty hit on “their” behalf).

Then? the “Gun Crowd will have outlived their usefulness, and will be conveniently eliminated, probably by chemical or biological means (cheap “Pest Control” mentality), or maybe via very well equipped (as in 21st century hardware / communications / support) and trained mercenaries.

Impossible outcome? If so then why are those in power knowingly stirring up dissatisfaction amongst the “well armed and dangerous” crowd? Seems to me as an outside observer, a case of deliberately kicking the Hornet’s nest: There MUST be a reason for this repetitive action, and even the most cursory review of recent events should suggest that any such reason will be far from benign.

A case of “Know your Enemy”, and “Forewarned is forearmed”??

No doubt time will tell . . . . .

Sensetti
Sensetti
July 19, 2014 9:20 pm

pietropaulo says — And you keep discrediting sane and responsible gun owners with your vitriol and foul rhetoric. Who’s side are you on?

I’am on my side. Who’s side are you on?

And what the FUCK do you mean by foul rhetoric? Just because I Hate those cock suckling Dimocrats doesn’t mean I love Republicans. I am drinking Mexican Beer tonight, clearly an attempt to immerse myself in the culture of the brown plague sweeping this country, no thanks to that other Cock sucker George Bush who could have closed the fucking boarders and chose not too. Fuck’em all and feed’em fish heads.