20/7/14: International and Palestinian volunteers accompanied Civil Defense and other rescue crews, as well as family members, into Shujaya, in an attempt to locate survivors of overnight and ongoing shelling by the Israeli army. A young Palestinian man, in a green t-shirt, who hoped to reach his family’s home, was shot by an Israeli soldier while crossing an alley between buildings. Two additional rounds struck him as he lay injured on the ground.
Admin – Arabs were not displaced by the formation of Israel. That is a lie. They were displaced during and by the subsequent war. Mostly of their own volition.
Admin wants proof of the rockets? Admin does not believe that Israel is being hit by rockets? Seriously, that is too funny. Show me proof, he says. Hahahahaha!
Your “boy” Andrew Jackson – the genocidal maniac? Who is the hypocrite? Admiring a murderer – isn’t that special – because you like his stance on banks. Next it will be your “boy” Hitler. I am sure he did something good sometime – that is all that matters to you, it seems – so might as well give him some love, too, while you are at it.
Llpoh needs to brush up on his history. I guess you missed that class at Dartmouth. I guess you would have been a big supporter of the Jews killing Brits in the 1940s too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
Illegal Jewish immigration and insurgency
The British Empire was severely weakened by the war. In the Middle East, the war had made Britain conscious of its dependence on Arab oil and it attached more importance to cordial relations with the Arabs than to helping the Jewish people establish a homeland. Shortly after VE Day, the Labour Party won the general election in Britain. Although Labour Party conferences had for years called for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, the Labour government now decided to maintain the 1939 White Paper restrictions.
Buchenwald survivors arrive in Haifa to be arrested by the British, 15 July 1945
Illegal migration (Aliyah Bet) became the main form of Jewish entry into Palestine. Across Europe Bricha (“flight”), an organization of former partisans and ghetto fighters, smuggled Holocaust survivors from Eastern Europe to Mediterranean ports, where small boats tried to breach the British blockade of Palestine. Meanwhile, Jews from Arab countries began moving into Palestine overland. Despite British efforts to curb immigration, during the 14 years of the Aliyah Bet, over 110,000 Jews eventually entered Palestine.
In an effort to win independence, Zionists now waged a bitter guerrilla war against the British. The main underground Jewish militia, the Haganah, formed an alliance called the Jewish Resistance Movement with the Etzel and Stern Gang to fight the British. In June 1946, following instances of Jewish sabotage, the British launched Operation Agatha, arresting 2700 Jews, including the leadership of the Jewish Agency, whose headquarters were raided. Those arrested were held without trial.
In Poland, the Kielce Pogrom (July 1946) led to a wave of Holocaust survivors escaping Europe towards Palestine. Between 1945 and 1948, 100,000–120,000 Jews left Poland. Their departure was largely organized by the Zionist activists in Poland such as Adolf Berman and Icchak Cukierman under the umbrella of the semi-clandestine organization Berihah (“Flight”).[87] Berihah was also responsible for the organized emigration of Jews from Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, totaling 250,000 (including Poland) Holocaust survivors. The British responded by imprisoning the growing numbers of Jews trying to illegally enter Palestine by sea in the Atlit detainee camp and Cyprus internment camps. Those held were mainly Holocaust survivors, including large numbers of children and orphans. In response to Cypriot fears that the Jews would never leave (since they lacked a state or documentation), the British later allowed the refugees to enter Palestine at a rate of 750 per month.
The unified Jewish resistance movement broke up in July 1946, after Etzel bombed the British Military Headquarters in the King David Hotel killing 92 people. In the days following the bombing, Tel Aviv was placed under curfew and over 120,000 Jews, nearly 20% of the Jewish population of Palestine, were questioned by the police. In the U.S., Congress criticized British handling of the situation and delayed loans that were vital to British post-war recovery. By 1947 the Labour Government was ready to refer the Palestine problem to the newly created United Nations.
Andrew Jackson was the best president in US history.
It looks like your boys lost. The indians deserved to be killed and driven into reservations. They were occupying land us white people wanted. Your people weren’t cooperative, so you got what you deserved. Don’t be a sore loser. You lost the war. Deal with it.
to the victors go the spoils – land in this instance.
It’s the same argument you are making about Israel and the Arabs.
Admin, your map means nothing. You talk about people being displaced. They were not “displaced” by the UN plan. They were not evicted from the land nor from their homes, as a rule. Israel was given nominal control over the area, but the resident population was not displaced.
Seriously, what you know about this shit would fill a good sized thimble. I have forgotten far more than you know about this stuff, for sure and certain. I have read thousands upon thousands of pages of history of modern Israel, of the wars since formation, of actions pre-WW2, etc. You have no idea what you are talking about. Further, Palestine was not a nation as such – gotta have a government to be a nation, don’t you think? It was the Wild West before Israel was formed.
Should it have been formed? Hell no. But that is a different question.
Netenyaho and Jackson – two great men ridding their countries of vipers and thieves.
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As Clint said in Unforgiven, deserving ain’t got nothing to do with it.
The Palestinians by and large were not driven anywhere.
They’re not genetically hereditary biblical Jews, anyway, they’re Ashkenazi Jews, at least, most of them, of which the Rothschilds belong. Dorothy Rothschild having financed the Supreme Court of Israel, being remarkable for it’s Illuminati temple rite.
However, the’re still a duly established sovereign nation, which has a right to defend itself. Saying 1.8 million people packed into however many square miles doesn’t absolve Hamas of firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel, or suicide bombing civilians. If Israel has a right to exist, then they have a right to defend themselves.
Nonasshole
No one asked for your biblical bullshit opinion. Go fuck yourself.
I knew Admin would eventually come out and play. No one riles him like I do.
llpoh
I’m far from riled. I know every button to push with you. I’ve been toying with you all night long.
You should have ducked.
Ducking is for pussies. Toe to toe is the only way. Gotta keep the crowd happy.
I have missed our little bouts. Everyone else around here is scared of you (well, maybe not everyone.)
I think I am winning but it is hard to tell:
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After a spirited cordial debate on TBP during the Smokey years.
And that was just a non-involved bystander.
Admin – horrible pictures but the blood of those kids are on Hamas, not Israel. Who told them not to leave but rather to act as a human shield? Hamas did. Plus it’s very hard to know which photos are from this war and which aren’t. BBC already exposed that Hamas has been recycling old photos of dead kids from Syria and other wars and claiming they are victims from of the current assault. How can you be so sure these aren’t more of the same? Did you take the pictures yourself?
And T4C – the hate filled, anti-semetic website “ElectronicIntifida” is hardly a reliable source of information. That’s like saying it’s a fact that Syria never used chemical weapons on it’s own people, Assad told me so.
Nonanonymous – who are you say the Jews in Israel aren’t the Jews of biblical history? There has been a consistent Jewish presence since biblical times. Yes, the higher society of Jews were expelled when the country was conquered, but the rest stayed behind. The Jews who were expelled spread throughout the globe, but what do you think? The Jews of today are some fake converts trying to usurp some historical significance? I find that pretty offensive. HOWEVER, I give you tremendous credit for stating they have a right to exist. For too many people would disagree.
All that being said, I don’t really care if the Jews were there first thousands of years ago. What I do care is that when the UN partitioned Israel between Israel and the Arab states, Israel said yes, and the Arabs said no. Even though there is only one Jewish state and there are 22 Arab States they couldn’t handle Jews and Christians in their midst and attacked. They lost and have been crying about it ever since.
Admin – One thing you forgot to mention admin is that the when the Irgun planted a bomb at the British Military headquarters (a military target, not a civilian one), they called in multiple warnings to evacuate the building so no one would be killed. But the Brits, due to stupidity or inefficiency, never got around to ordering an evacuation. I don’t necessarily agree with such tactics, but that is a critical point you left out (not claiming it was intentional).
Admin, why are you you trying to enflame people against Israel by using photos of dead children which aren’t even from this war?
Yes, that’s right. I just checked the 3 photos you posted of dead children. Yes, they are horrible. BUT NONE OF THEM ARE FROM THE CURRENT WAR!
They are from 2008, 2012 and 2013. Take a look for yourself:
Originally from 2008:
http://tineye.com/search/139e8334a97814a9b1d79d936e82771c928ed85f/?sort=crawl_date&order=
Originally from 2012:
http://tineye.com/search/7b03d7bfffa0ce25df4051adf36bd5b97552e86f/
Originally from 2013:
https://www.tineye.com/search/04ccd0cddcd664b23b2b29faa06c5bd8bf6a9eca/?sort=crawl_date&order=asc
I really hope that this was not intentional on your part. If not, It’s a good idea to check the source before reposting. There is so much misinformation being spread out there. Few people care about the truth when trying to get their point across. But I don’t believe you are one of these people.
Barry – stop being a butt-face. Admin was/is making the point that kids are dying. That is indeed horrible, and whether the photos are from now or are from 100 years ago, the point is the same, and the photos are for effect. Even I, who was having the conversation with him, would not have called him on that.
Unless of course you think kids are not currently being killed – in which case you are an idiot.
In reply to, http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/wall-street-journal-reasoning-israeli-attack-gaza-also-justify-911-terror-attack.html
Understanding George is anti-war, and I agree, sometimes war comes to you. And not sometimes, it’s a certainty. I would that George would consider the spiritual aspect of the conflict, not that of man against man, but of the heavenly struggle between God and the Devil. Man would most certainly live in peace were it not for the one who was a murderer from the beginning, and the father of all lies.
Even if one dismisses the spiritual aspects, nations have a moral duty and obligation to defend it’s borders, and when a belligerent actor reaches across your border to do harm to your citizens, then a measured response is required.
The world would not condone the obliteration of Gaza and it’s 1.9 million inhabitants, and genocide should not be required, but the removal of all military age males may be necessary, and if the women fight, that much more may be required. It will not be Israel who will be responsible, but the belligerents. It’s a simple matter of one or the other, when it’s clear they will not give up until the last of them is silenced.
Israel has that responsibility, in the name of peace.
Barry said, “what do you think? The Jews of today are some fake converts trying to usurp some historical significance?”
Yes.
Admin said, . It’s your blog and you can behave like a dick if you like. I didn’t know that anyone’s opinion on this site was solicited. So, take your own advice, and
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Argh, foiled again,
Admin said, /whatever. It’s your blog and you can behave like a dick if you like. I didn’t know that anyone’s opinion on this site was solicited. So, take your own advice, and
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Jesus Christ, Jim. You tend to get a little upset when someone doesn’t agree with your opinion.
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IIpoh, you think it is okay to condemn a military campaign by using photos as “evidence” which aren’t even from that campaign? Sure kids die in every war. But not nearly as many as Hamas or the world is claiming. They get caught in lies over and over again but people like the admin take their word for it without even bothering to due the simplest due diligence. They’ve even taken movie stills and pics of Israeli victims and claimed they were their own. And they do inflate death tolls. Why? Because it works! Just look at this thread on how many people have turned against Israel, a people who are just trying to defend themselves and support a gang of murders.
Any one remember the “massacre of Jenin?” The Palestinians claimed it was an indiscriminate massacre which killed thousand of civilians. They used fake pictures to prove it. The world condemned Israel. But when all the dust settled and the UN investigated it, they found only 55 Palestinians were killed, most of them armed combatants. 23 Israeli soldiers were killed as well. A far more balanced fight than the world was lead to believe. Using false pictures is a crime and I’m surprised you are “ok’ with it. Yet people here and the Admin continue to take the Palestinians at their word and help spread those lies. Why? They lost my trust long ago.
Truth is, Hamas has killed far more Palestinians than Israel. And I don’t just mean by using them as human shields. Do you have any idea how many they have killed as “Israeli collaborators” or as “honor killings.” Do you know how many of their cruder rockets have fallen short, inside Gaza and killed Palestinians? Or how many ammo dumps they’ve hidden in people’s houses, which were faulty and exploded?
They always blame the above on Israel. Yet Israel always openly admits when they took action against a Gazan target. So why are people so quick to believe Hamas, a terrorist organization dedicated to murder. Terrorists who have been caught in lies over and over again. Why believe them over Israel which has a pretty damn good track record telling the truth and openly admits when they kill civilians? An unfortunate consequence of them being used as human shields.
What I find so disturbing is that virtually no one here (you being one of the few exceptions) have a negative word to say about Hamas. It shocks the soul.
I see Admin has buried this thread several pages deep so as to make it hard for the world to see the major ass-whuppin’ I threw down on him. What a surprise!
Blow Me.
People like Nonanonymous & Alpo, or Llpoh, are of the same moral character as Nazis who said they were just following orders. I should say lack of moral character. Excuses galore for evil conduct.
The more facts u present to these idiots, the more they dig in.