WHO BENEFITS?

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Posted on 21st July 2014 by Administrator in Economy |Politics |Social Issues

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Whenever a major event happens in the world I ask myself who benefits from the event. Maybe the shooting down of flight MH17 was a tragic mistake. But, I doubt it.

The facts are that the Ukrainian Nazis who were put in place by the United States after the American engineered overthrow of a democratically elected leader are losing the battle with pro-Russian separatists. It is fascinating how the American MSM has ignored the slaughter of innocent women and children by the Ukrainian Nazis who have been shelling cities across the eastern Ukraine. Why are the 300 dead passengers on a plane more important than the the hundreds of innocent victims slaughtered by the Ukrainian government?

If you are losing a civil war to Russian backed forces, how do you turn the tide? Get world opinion on your side and convince NATO and the U.S. to commit forces, weapons and money to support you. How do you do it? Direct an airliner over territory where it can be shot down only by highly sophisticated weapons that you possess, shoot it down, roll out fake youtubes within two hours of the disaster, and have your NATO and American allies use their MSM propaganda machines to blame Russia for the tragedy.

This has the dual benefit of distracting the American public from the border disaster caused by Obama, the ongoing economic recession, the Obamacare clusterfuck, and Israel’s invasion of Gaza and slaughter of women and children. When domestic issues are overwhelming a president, an international crisis is a great distraction.

The separatists are winning the civil war. Does shooting down of a commercial airliner benefit them?

The Russians control the natural gas flow through the Ukraine to Europe. They hold all the economic cards. Does shooting down of a commercial airliner benefit them?

The American backed Ukrainian Nazis are broke, losing a civil war, and owe Russia billions for gas. Does shooting down a commercial airliner and blaming Russia benefit them?

You bet your ass it does.

Ukraine Possessed the Type of Missile System Which Shot Down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH-17

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Ron Paul writes:

While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the [plane crash in Ukraine], there are a few things they will not report.

 

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The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.

He’s right …

The American government and media are loudly proclaiming that it must have been the Russian loyalists within Ukraine who shot down the plane because they possessed the type of missile used in the attack: SA-11 missiles fired from a Buk missile system.

Of course, the Ukrainians possess them as well.

As the Council on Foreign Relations notes:

All three regional actors—Russia, pro-Russian rebels of the “Donetsk People’s Republic,” and the Ukrainian government—had access or potential access to this weapons platform.

Reuters points out:

As Russia and Ukraine trade blame over the apparent shooting down of a Malaysian airliner, they appear to agree on one thing: the type of Soviet-era missile that brought it down.

 

But if an SA-11 Buk missile, known as “Gadfly” in NATO, struck the aircraft and killed all 298 on board, that won’t solve the mystery of who did it: Russia, Ukraine and Russian-speaking rebels have all claimed the missile in their arsenals.

Former Associated Press and Newsweek reporter Robert Parry explains:

Ukraine, after all, was part of the Soviet Union until 1991 and has continued to use mostly Russian military equipment.

For example, here’s a Ukrainian state company BOASTING about their Buk systems and SA-11s … complete with pictures:

(Click here and here to see big, clear images.)

The Ukrainian military also admits – after denying it for 8 days – that it accidentally shot down a Russian airliner in 2001, killing all 78 passengers, using a different missile system.

But – say American talking heads – it came from “rebel-controlled territory”.

Maybe … but last time we heard that kind of claim, it turned out to be totally false.

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  1. Administrator says:

    Gun Sellers Love Obama – He’s their best sales tool.

    AK-47 Sales Soar After US Sanctions Kalashnikov Imports

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/21/2014 08:19 -0400

    Who could have seen this coming? Following the US imposition of further sanctions on Russia last week, specifically the import of Kalashnikov firearms, CNN reports gun stores across the US are experiencing a run on AK-47s.

    As CNN reports,

    Here’s a surprising effect of the latest U.S. sanctions against Russia: a run on AK-47s.

    Among the companies sanctioned this week was Kalashnikov Concern, the maker of the automatic weapon.

    “We sell some of the Kalashnikov Concern stuff and that has been selling fast,” said Robert Keller, manager of K-Var Corp., a Las Vegas-based online gun distributor.

    Keller said his company has been sold out of the guns since the sanctions went into effect. On K-Var’s web site, AK-47s are listed as “out of stock.”

    According to the Treasury Department, Kalashnikov Concern is banned from importing its guns — including the AK-47 and more advanced AK-74 — into the United States. But, in a statement posted on its Web site, Treasury said Americans are allowed to own, buy and sell the guns, so long as they were already in the U.S. prior to the sanctions.

    Keller said he is scrambling to acquire more Kalashnikov guns from U.S. distributors. He also said he still selling many weapons similar to the AK-47, such as the SAM7 brand of Bulgarian-made rifles.

    * * *

    Yet another unintended consequence of US foreign policy…

    21st July 2014 at 8:59 am

  2. Administrator says:

    Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/21/2014 09:45 -0400

    Ukraine hasn’t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US ‘snap judgment’) to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

    RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
    RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
    RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

    Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

    The Russian defense ministry during its press conference which concluded minutes ago:

    Here is the full clip of the Russian ministry releasing its own forensic analysis of what happened to flight MH17 (with English translation).

    Russia wants to know why Ukraine moved its BUK missiles systems the day of the MH17 crash:

    RUSSIAN GENERAL STAFF HAS SPACE IMAGES OF SECTORS OF UKRAINIAN FORCES’ POSITIONS IN SOUTHEASTERN UKRAINE, INCLUDING BUK MISSILE LUNCH SITES 8 KILOMETERS FROM LUHANSK – RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTRY – interfax

    The day the Malaysian airliner crashed, the Ukrainian forces deployed an air defense group of three or four Buk-M1 missile batteries near Donetsk, Lt. Gen. Andrei Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operations Department, told reporters on Monday.

    “These surface-to-air systems are capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers at an altitude of 22 kilometers. For what purpose and against whom were these missile systems deployed? As is known, the militia has no aviation,” he said.

    Russia has the flight paths of the Ukrainian fighters and MH17. Furthermore, it is asking the same question we asked last Thurday:

    RUSSIA SAYS MH17 DIVERGED 14 KM FROM FLIGHT PATH NEAR DONETSK

    And wants to know why. The image (as seen in the presentation above) allegedly shows Ukraine fighter jets near MH17:

    Here is a screengrab of a Su-25 fighter jet detected close to MH17 before crash.

    As RT reports,

    “A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

    “[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

    “The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

    The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.

    And asks for US proof of their accusations:

    RUSSIA SAYS U.S. SATELLITE FLEW OVER MH17 AT TIME IT WAS DOWNED… which would provide all the proof needed to show who is responsible – so why hasn’t the US explained this or shown it?
    RUSSIA ASKS U.S. FOR EVIDENCE ROCKET FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
    RUSSIA: NO U.S. PROOF THAT MISSILE FIRED FROM REBEL-HELD AREA
    DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS RUSSIA DID NOT DELIVER ANY SA-11 BUK MISSILE SYSTEMS TO SEPARATISTS IN EASTERN UKRAINE “OR ANY OTHER WEAPONS”

    And went on to rebuke all the Twitter photos created by Maidan to ‘prove’ the BUKs were moving in Russian hands.

    Summing it all up, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, has 10 questions for Ukraine (google translated)

    The global public expects a speedy and independent investigation into the causes of the disaster Malaysian aircraft in the airspace of Ukraine.

    In order to conduct an objective investigation of possible leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has ased ten questions to the Ukrainian side.

    1. Ukrainian authorities immediately identified the militia as the perpetrators of the tragedy. What is the basis of such findings?

    2. Could official Kiev to report all the details of using [BUKs] in a war zone? Most importantly – why these systems are deployed there, as the militia no planes?

    3. What are the causes of inactivity of Ukrainian authorities on the formation of an international commission? When such a committee will work?

    4. Are the armed forces of Ukraine international experts to present papers on accounting for missiles, air-to-air and ground-to-air ammo and anti-aircraft missiles?

    5. Whether these funds objective control on the movement of the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft on the day of the tragedy brought international commission?

    6. Why Ukrainian air traffic controllers allowed deviation of the route of the aircraft to the north side of the “anti-terrorist operation zone”?

    7. Why was not completely closed to civilian aircraft airspace over the combat zone, especially because in this area there was no solid field of radar navigation?

    8. Could official Kiev to comment on reports in the net, ostensibly on behalf of the Spanish air traffic controllers working in Ukraine, which shot down over the territory of Ukraine “Boeing” was accompanied by two Ukrainian military aircraft?

    9. Why Security Service of Ukraine has begun without international representatives work with recordings of talks with Ukrainian crew dispatchers “Boeing” and Ukrainian radar data?

    10. How were the lessons from previous similar disasters Russian Tu-154 in 2001 in the Black Sea? Then the leaders of Ukraine until the last minute denied any involvement of the Armed Forces of the country to the tragedy until irrefutable evidence showed no guilt official Kiev.

    Unfortunately, there has been no response by the Ukraine side to these questions so far. We expect that there will be some answers.

    * * *

    Needless to say, this places Ukraine and The US (as main protagonist of “finger pointer”) in an awkward position as finally someone, somewhere will have to present some actual facts instead of merely continuing the “emotional appeals” propaganda.

    We expect many of these questions to be answered once the contents of flight MH17′s black box are revealed and/or when Ukraine finally releases an undoctored version of the Air Traffic control recording with the doomed flight.

    21st July 2014 at 10:54 am

  3. Eddie says:

    I knew someday I’d be glad I bought that AK. Might be time to trade it for an oz of gold.

    21st July 2014 at 11:10 am

  4. Administrator says:

    Malaysia PM Announces MH17 Black Boxes Will Be Handed Over Shortly

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 07/21/2014 12:26 -0400

    Quelling some conspiracies – though we are sure more will come on ‘tampering’ – the Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak issued a statement confirming it has reached an agreement on the MH17 investigation…

    MALAYSIA SAYS BLACK BOXES TO BE HANDED OVER TO MALAYSIAN TEAM

    Of course, this means the “credibility” of the latest YouTube clip from Ukraine, which “supposedly” revealed that the “rebels” were instructed by Moscow to hide the black boxes will be severly questioned, or would be if there was anyone out there still questioning anything in the relentless propaganda barrage. Actually scratch that: said clip will now promptly disappear from social networks, period.

    As AP reports,

    Malaysia’s prime minister reaches deal with rebel leader to allow “safe access” to crash site.

    Furthermore,

    MALAYSIA SAYS IT HAS ESTABLISHED AGREEMENT ON MH17 BODIES
    MALAYSIA SAYS BODIES TO LEAVE FOR THE NETHERLANDS

    The timing of the handover of the black boxes is 9pm Ukraine time.

    21st July 2014 at 12:51 pm

  5. AWD says:

    Ron Paul Is Putin’s New Best Friend

    The former congressman from Texas is making a better argument for shielding the Russian president from blame than Kremlin TV.

    By Lucia Graves

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    July 21, 2014

    It used to be that blaming America for crisis abroad was largely the province of liberals. That folk wisdom appears to be changing—just ask Ron Paul. In the days after the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, the former House member has been quick to attack the West and President Obama for pointing any fingers in the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    “Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said,” Ron Paul wrote in an editorial Sunday. “President Obama held a press conference to claim—even before an investigation—that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the U.N., Samantha Power, did the same at the U.N. Security Counci—just one day after the crash!”

    The editorial was picked up on Monday by the Permanent Mission of Russia to NATO, a group tasked with facilitating cooperation between Russia and NATO.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/ron-paul-is-putin-s-new-best-friend-20140721

    21st July 2014 at 1:01 pm

  6. Iska Waran says:

    Admin – who is Malaysia getting the black boxes from?

    21st July 2014 at 1:42 pm

  7. GilbertS says:

    I dunno-I’m struck by the thought that if the rebels didn’t do it, they and the Russians would be gleefully guiding the world’s researchers and forensic analysts to the wreck, carefully protecting the wreckage, and working to make it as transparent as possible in order to prove the Ukes/USA/Whomever were responsible. It seems like this would be a major propaganda coup if they weren’t responsible for the crash.

    If they were responsible, however, I would expect them to drag their feet as much as possible, disappear the evidence, and generally screw up the evidence and stonewall the investigation as much as possible…. which is just about what’s happening.

    I’m wondering if they won’t just bring in dumptrucks and bulldozers to remove everything, jumble it up as much as possible, and cart it off to the dump to get rid of it. Any future researchers would then receive a jumble of aircraft parts, bed frames, truck parts, old toilet seats, etc.

    Oh, and it seems silly on the part of the West to expect a region in open civil war to furnish professional crash scene investigators, efficient professional police, and other services we take for granted.

    21st July 2014 at 1:43 pm

  8. Administrator says:

    I believe the separatists have the black boxes.

    21st July 2014 at 1:48 pm

  9. T4C says:

    Moving post on The Automatic Earth today. Complete article @the link.

    The Day God Looked Away

    July 20, 2014 Posted by Raúl Ilargi Meijer

    Presumed innocent. Innocent until proven guilty. Reasonable doubt. How long ago it seems that these principles guided our societies. Perhaps there are a few courts in the heartland left that still live up to them, but the aftermath of 9/11 certainly erased them from the overall American conscience. Some animals are more equal than others, said Orwell in Animal Farm.

    At least 193 of the 298 people (that’s two thirds) who died in the Malaysia Airlines plane crash had the Dutch nationality. The Dutch government makes sure not to point fingers until it has proof. This restraint represents a matter of respect for the victims and their families and friends. No false flags, no false accusations. As you may know, this is my country of birth, to which I’ve also temporarily returned, and I can assure you this is a devastated nation. To make a cruel comparison: the US population is almost 20 times that of Holland, which means that on a relative basis, many more Dutch nationals died than did Americans in 9/11.

    The US, which apparently found one dual citizenship American on the plane after looking hard, doesn’t know any such restraint, and hence no such respect. Nor does the UK. Do we detect a pattern? Are we once again allegedly sure that someone possesses something they in reality don’t? Do we repeat our own mistakes, do we forget our follies, that easily?

    One thing that seems obvious is that the plane was hit by a projectile of some sort. Obama claims US intelligence says it was fired from the ground, but he offered no proof. Reasonable doubt. He also said it came from territory held by ‘separatists’, by again no proof. Reasonable doubt. Everybody and their aunt claims the separatists fired the projectile, but again no proof. Reasonable doubt. Some even say Putin must have supplied the projectile plus the launch installation, but we’re just getting further away from proof all the time. Reasonable doubt. We’re solidly into suspicions and presumptions, edged on by political agendas, and, again, that is highly disrespectful to victims and loved ones.

    Who fired the thing? We don’t know. So why can’t Obama and David Cameron bring themselves to admit they don’t know? Is that for the same reasons Blair and Bush claimed to be sure Saddam had WMD?

    As much as I feel for, and mourn with, the victims of this tragedy, I still want to emphasize to myself that this is a tragedy. I refuse to believe for now that either the separatists or the Ukrainian army (or a third party) deliberately shot a civilian plane out of the sky. Why should they? Does the army want to play the false flag card so much they would do it, just to then blame the separatists? Would the latter do it? They seem to have nothing to gain whatsoever, quite the contrary. Putin? Let’s get serious.

    Don’t let’s forget that far more than 298 people have been killed by the Ukrainian army in its quest to ‘eradicate’ the separatists. Even if that has so far happened largely under the western media radar. There’s still an army, and a government, and a newly elected president, waging a very bloody war against people with the same nationality as they have, inside their own country. The president may have been elected somewhat democratically, though east Ukraine refused to vote, but the – rest of the – government is still the same bunch that was installed by the US – Victoria Nuland, Jeff Pyatt – after the Maidan riots ousted elected president Yanukovich.

    And in between all the allegations of Putin supplying arms to the separatists, a few things are missing. Putin cannot withdraw his support, whichever form it may have taken, because the risk of a genocide among Russian speaking people in east Ukraine is very real. Russia as a nation recognizes the moral obligation to protect those Russians who were cut off from Moscow when the Soviet Union fell and many new nations were formed from its ashes.

    What are we going to do if it becomes clear that it wasn’t the rebels who shot down MH17, but the Ukraine army “we” support? Or maybe we should ask another question: what are the odds that we will ever find out what really happened? Both Russia and the US have tons of equipment monitoring the area, and it’s not likely that both don’t have a huge amount of additional information on the crash that for reasons we don’t know, they haven’t released to date.

    Reasonable doubt. That’s how you show respect. For victims, for loved ones, for democracy and for justice. From where I’m sitting, which happens to be Holland, far too many amongst us show neither such respect nor doubt nor reason. You would think and hope that 298 dead bodies deserve more than to be reduced to pawns in infantile blame games. They deserve that we should be better than that.

    http://www.theautomaticearth.com/the-day-god-looked-away/

    21st July 2014 at 2:05 pm

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