Note: Videos & a PDF of the Google Web-cache Have Been Preserved and Are Available Upon Request
- introductory paragraphs to the BBC video report;
- English-language transcript of the BBC video report; and,
- a video interview with Elena, a Militia fighter, recorded in Slavyansk on or about June 18, 2014, or one month prior to the MH17 catastrophe, wherein she states that, even then, the Ukrainian military aircraft would customarily hide behind civilian aircraft to bomb civilian targets on the ground.
In the last part of this entry Elena predicts that the Ukrainian military will stage the horrible catastrophe like the MH17 crash – she makes this prediction one whole month prior to the disaster.
Video: The Catastrophe of #MH17: #BBC in the Search of the “#BUK”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8sjMWhl-4
Original BBC Video Report: Preserved by Google Web-cache
Introductory Paragraphs to the BBC Video Report
The “black boxes” of the crashed Malaysian Boeing have finally been transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from Russia.
The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile.
BBC reporter Olga Ivshina and producer Oksana Vozhdayeva decided to find the place from which the missile was allegedly launched.
Transcript of the BBC Video Report
DPR Representative: Here it is.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The black boxes from the crashed Boeing are finally being transferred into the hands of the experts. However, how much can they tell us?
The recorders logged the coordinates and the heading of the aircraft at the time of the incident and may have recorded the sound of the explosion. However, they will not tell us what exactly caused the explosion.
The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian government rejects this version of events. They believe that the Boeing was shot down using a missile from a “BUK” complex that came in from the direction of Russia.
Vitaliy Naida, Department of Counterintelligence of SBU [Ukrainian Security Service]: This was a BUK M1 system from which the aircraft was shot down. It came to Ukraine early in the morning on the 17th of July. It was delivered by a tow truck to the city of Donetsk. After that, it was redeployed from Donetsk, as part of a column of military equipment, to the area of the city of Torez, to the area of Snezhnoye, to the area of Pervomaisk.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The Ukrainian Security Service has published photographs and a video, which, in its opinion, prove that the Boeing was shot down with a “BUK” missile. We attempted to verify these photographs and information at the location.
One of the photographs showed a landscape not far from the city of Torez, on which smoke could be seen coming from the presumed location of the missile’s launch. We attempted to find this location, and it appears that we were successful.
We are now on the outskirts of the city of Torez. Behind me, approximately five kilometres away, is the city of Snezhnoye. And the landscape here matches the landscape that we can see on the photograph published by the Ukrainian Security Service.
To find the place from which the smoke was allegedly coming from, we adopted as markers these three poplars and the group of trees. Presumably, this is the place that can be seen on the photograph published by the SBU. And here are our markers: the three solitary poplars and the small group of trees in the distance.
The smoke that can be seen on the photograph came from somewhere over there [pointing behind her], behind my back. The SBU believes that this is a trace coming from the launch of a “BUK” missile.
However, it must be noted that there are here, approximately in the same place, the Saur-Mogila memorial, near which the fighting continues almost unabated, and a coalmine. It turns out that the smoke with the same degree of probability could have been coming from any of these locations.
Having circled around the nearby fields, we were unable to find any traces of a missile launch. Nor did the local inhabitants that we encountered see any “BUK” either.
At the ruins of an apartment building in the city of Snezhnoye, the topic of the jet fighters that may have been escorting civilian aircraft comes up again. A bomb dropped from above took away the lives of eleven civilians here.
Sergey Godovanets, Commander of the Militia of the city of Snezhnoye: They use these civilian aircraft to hide behind them. It is only now that they stopped flying over us – but, usually, civilian aircraft would always fly above us. And they hide [behind them]. [The experience in] Slavyansk had demonstrated that they would fly out from behind a civilian aircraft, bomb away, and then hide, once again, behind the civilian aircraft and fly away.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: The commander of the local militia emphasizes that they have no weaponry capable of shooting down a jet fighter [flying] at a significant height. However, he says that if such weaponry were to appear, they would have tried to.
Sergey Godovanets: If we know that it is not a civilian aircraft, but a military one, then – yes.
Olga Ivshina, BBC: So, could the Boeing have been shot down by the militias that had mistaken it for a military aircraft? There is as yet no unequivocal confirmation of either this or any other version [of what took place]. The international experts are just beginning their work with the information obtained from the crashed airliner. It now appears that it is difficult to overstate the importance of this investigation. Olga Ivshina, BBC.
Militia Elena: Ukrainian Military Planes Hide Behind Civilian Airliners
Video: Recorded at least one month prior to MH17 Crash, published with ENG subs on June 18, 2014
Note: Pay close attention starting at 01:10
HOLY THIS -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKKoKmUtQXE
Uploaded one month prior?
1. At this point, NO amount of evidence will convince media-propaganda-whores to change the storyline … Putin is eeeeevil, and is responsible, either directly or indirectly.
2. In fact, media-propaganda-whores will go out of their way to FABRICATE their own proof, or offer unverified information (youtube vids, etc .. hahahaa).
3. At this point, there is enough evidence to truly prove to THINKING people everywhere that the above two story-lines are pure bullshit.
4. CuNNt / Fux will continue to battle to win this year’s Annual Fucking Retard Award.
The BBC used to be a very reputable news service. Seems not the case any more.
Simple to “link the dots” – BBC entirely “Public” (i.e. Government) funded, so those who best serve their paymasters interests get promoted into positions of influence.
So, journalistic integrity becomes diluted (NOT taking into account what passes for “journalism” these days), whilst output becomes more closely tied to the current “Party Line”.
Add in a deliberately dumbed down population with the attention span of an amoeba, and this is what we end up with. “Reportage” more closely associated with propaganda than any semblance of reality.
I do believe that we continue to be fed a bucket of bullshit on what really happened to MH17. We simply do not have a lot of significant facts and evidence yet, but Obama and his minions immediately pointed the finger at the rebels and, perforce, Putin. That was just pain stupid.
There are, however, some things coming from the rebel side that don’t add up. An example from this posting, and I quote ……
“The inhabitants of the nearby villages are certain that they saw military aircraft in the sky shortly prior to the catastrophe. According to them, it actually was the jet fighters that brought down the Boeing.
Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.”
Now, the LAST PLACE you want to be, if you’re airborne and are going to blow up another airborne target, particularly a large target carrying a lot of fuel, is either beside the target or under it. I don’t think I need to elaborate on that point any further.
And the second issue I have with these eyewitnesses is their eyesight, which easily surpasses that of an eagle’s since MH17 was reportedly flying at about 33,000 feet MSL (mean sea level). Now, I don’t know the altitude above sea level this particular terrain is, but those people were looking at something that was nearly 6 fucking miles away, even further if it was a slant range sighting. Jeepers creepers, where’d you get those peepers?
I rest my case.
We Know the Russians are behind the shootdown of flight MH17.
How do we know? The government tells us so. Trust the people you elected.
Please, don’t try to confuse me with your” facts.” I’ve studied the matter and my mind’s made up.
News agencies, like the BBC, do right in not publishing articles that undermine US and NATO policy. Our media shouldn’t be an outlet for the propaganda of those states that seek to detroy us.
Ira
Do you have a friend named Irak?
Don`t believe Russians, Ukrainians,Nato or media. Really ??? there is such a thing as journalistic integrity?
“The downing of the Malaysian airliner was either an accident by the Kiev forces or the anti-fascist forces of the Donetsk Republic, in each instance targeting the plane because they thought that it was a military and therefore a legitimate target, or it was a deliberate attack on a known civilian aircraft. If it was deliberate then it is a case of mass murder and a war crime since it took place in the midst of hostilities. I wouldn’t call it an act of terrorism as some have said as an act of terrorism is designed to create fear and panic in a population. Clearly those who downed the plane had other motives than creating fear and panic among civilians.
Many writers over the past few days have commented that neither the DPR forces nor Russia had either the equipment in place to hit neither the plane nor the motive to deliberately shoot it down. But there is strong circumstantial evidence that the forces of the Kiev regime had the means, the opportunity and the motive. They had the equipment and engaged in very suspicious actions; they had BUK anti-aircraft systems in place for unknown reasons since the DPR forces have no aircraft, the Ukraine Air Traffic Control ordered the plane’s crew to divert from the regular more southerly route to go north over the combat zone, a Ukraine jet fighter was recorded by Russian radar climbing rapidly towards it just before it went down, and, within minutes of the crash, it was the Kiev regime and its masters in Washington and London who cried loudly that it was the DPR and Russians who were to blame without a shred of evidence to support the claim. And now we know that the Ukraine SBU immediately seized the ATC radar tapes and do not appear to have handed them over to international investigators.
Kiev and Washington also had the motive: to smear Russia and the anti-fascist forces and to provoke the EU to abandon its political and economic relations with Russia. It does not take a Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes to conclude the most likely suspects are in Kiev and Washington not in Donetsk and Moscow. -Christopher Black International Lawyer
http://www.doomsteaddiner.net/blog/2014/07/25/mh17-downing-background-context-cause-hypothesis/
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And a few more pointers from the Saker
Well, I am still running around, but while in the car I watched some rather interesting shows on Russian TV including one called “Politics with Peter Tolstoi” who had a bunch of interesting guests talking about the issue of MH17 shot down over Novorussia. Here again, I got very little time, are some bullet-points of some of what they said:
1) MH17 was most likely not shot down by a Buk but by an R-60M air-to-air missile shot from a Ukie Su-25 which has a non-pressurized cockpit (being a close air support aircraft) but whose engines can easily bring him that high up and whose pilot can breathe oxygen through a mask. At such altitudes, however, the Su-25 is rather slow, but that lack of speed is easily compensated by the speed of the R-60M air-to-air missile whose ideal engagement distant is 3-5km which is *exactly* how far the Su-25 was from MH17. The main evidence that it was an R-60M missile which hit MH17 is in the radar signal which shows that the aircraft was not ripped into shreds as would be the case with the massive warhead of the Buk SAM, and the fact that even on the ground the body of the plane does not appear to be shredded the way a Buk warhead would.
2) The reason why the Ukie SBU immediately seized the recording of the conversations between the Kiev ATC and MH17 is because the so-called “black boxes” ended up in Resistance hands. The reason why Holland agreed to have the British “decode” these recorders was because they were told so by the USA. The Brits will now let the NSA falsify the data and that falsification will be coordinated with the SBU in Kiev which will eventually release the recordings who will, surprise surprise, full “confirm” the “authenticity” of the NSA-doctored recordings from the UK. Formally, it will be the Dutch which will announce it all in order to better hide the US/UK role in all this.
3) Besides the Russians and the Americans, the Europeans also know what happened (I can personally confirm that I know for a fact that several European countries have their own monitoring systems which observe everything West of the Urals. The Saker)
4) Several guests said that they believed that since the MH17 false flag is turning into a flop, the next step will be to blow up a Ukie nuclear plant and blame Russia.
5) Banderastan has apparently signed 8 agreements with NATO to hold joint exercises in the Ukraine. Most of them are scheduled for September 1st, the date at which Poroshenko has promised to be finished with the repression of the Donbass.
6) One guest declared that he has it from a very solid source in the USA that MH17 was planned by the USA and that the Ukies botched the execution. The plan was for the aircraft to fall into the Rostov region of Russia.
7) One idea which was floated around again is this: to declare that unless the atrocities in the Donbass stop, Russia will recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics. The idea here is to say that IF these republics are recognized, then Russia could then do the same as in Abkhazia and South Ossetia i.e., send in as many military forces as needed to stop the aggression. In terms of international law, this would not be the same as breaching the borders of the Ukraine. Besides, it would mean to exactly the same for Novorussia as the US/NATO are officially doing for the Wahabi insurgency in Syria or what the US did in Kosovo.
8) There was a consensus amongst the guests that future sanctions against Russia are absolutely inevitable simply because the USA is dead set on this idea. However, the Russians are also sure that these sanction won’t bite much and that as long as Russia does not give the US a reason for force the EU to cut itself off the Russian energy supply no real sanctions will be applied.
9) All the guests agreed that Russian should continue to provide covert military and over political aid to Novorussia.
In other news tonight, Russian sources are reporting at least two major defeats for the Ukie forces including one near the town of Georgievka near the Lugansk Airport (still held by the Ukies, but surrounded) were the Ukies lost 30 soliders and several armored vehicles. The Ukie death squad “Donbass” (which is the past had already been completely wiped out twice) is again surrounded near Donetsk.
That’s it Just wanted to update you. Now I got to hit the road again.
See you all later.
The Saker
Just a few pointers from the Saker
Dear friends,
I am dealing with some “back office organizational issues” which are taking up a lot of my time, so I still cannot write a real full SITREP today. Hopefully I will do that during the week-end. Still, I wanted to mention a few interesting things to you, just short pointers, which I think are important.
1) We are constantly dealing with propaganda, counter-propaganda and counter-counter propaganda. And yet, there are a few rock solid indicators of the overall picture of the war in Novorussia.
You all heard that Iatseniuk has resigned. But did you know that the Ukie KGB (called SBU) is investigating three top military commanders for state treason? Yup, the blame game for the disaster at the southern cauldron has begun in Kiev. In fact, if you want to read a detailed assessment of how bad things are for the Ukies there, and if you read Russian, just click here (If you do not read Russian, use your favorite online machine translator). Keep in mind that this is written by a Ukie who called the Resistance “terrorists” and compares Russia to the Nazi occupier of WWII. And yet the image one get’s from his report from the scene is one of a total military disaster.
Guys, if the Ukie were winning there would not be these resignations, blame games and reports. All the signs are the Banderastan is collapsing under the weight of its own stupidity and blind hatred.
2) It appears that NATO is freaking out and fears that the Ukies might be rolled back far to the West. NATO, using its favorite central European slave colony, is now considering building an advanced HQ in Poland for a power-projection into the East, i.e. the Ukraine. I don’t agree with them, nobody is going to invade Banderastan, and for my reasons consider my next and last pointer today.
3) Did you notice some potentially major, if not crucial, actor completely missing from the action in this war? Can you guess whom I am referring to here?
Where is the rest of the Ukraine, especially East of the Dniepr? What is happening in the Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhie, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions? What about the Poltava, Chernigov and even Kiev regions? That’s right – nothing. No local insurgency, no guerrilla, no civil disobedience, no protests, no sabotage, *no nothing*. How come? Well, of course, this is largely due to a very effective terror campaign, especially in Kharkov and Odessa. In both cities a full-scale terror campaign his had hundreds of people jailed, kidnapped, ‘disappeard’, tortured, threatened and murdered. But so what? Does anybody really think that Kolomoiskii’s death squads are more ruthless or more effective than the Nazi death squads in WWII? And yet during the entire Nazi occupation there was a constant and very effective partisan movement in all of the Ukraine which inflicted *huge* damages on the German military. So far, the only acts of sabotage I know of are the couple of blowing ups of the gas pipeline from Russia to the EU and that was most likely done by the Right Sector. So the fact is here: most of the Eastern Ukraine is not joining the Donetsk and Luganks insurrections. What that means in practical terms is that given the choice between resisting the Nazi junta and joining the Resistance or hoping to survive in Banderastan, most of the Eastern Ukraine chose the latter. That, in turn, severely limits the scope of a possible rollback of Ukie forces. If Russia does not believe that at this point in time a military intervention in Donetsk/Luganks is needed (and facts on the ground seem to support that) and that covert aid is enough (and, again, the facts on the ground seem to support that), then you can be darn sure that Putin is not sending the Russian tanks to Lvov, or even Kiev. As for the Novorussian leaders, they can continue to write “to Kiev” on their tanks, but this is not happening without Russian military support.
Of course, with the Ukie economy now clearly crashing (officially, the money will run out on August 1st!), there are bound to be protests and even insurrections in the rest of Banderastan soon. But I personally would not advise anybody in Russia or Donetsk to conflate the national liberation movements of Novorussia with the economic discontent generated by the crisis in the rest of the Ukraine. I am sorry to have to say this, but if appears that if the Nazi junta in Kiev had the wits to create some kind of economic miracle, then most of the Ukraine would not object to living in a Russia-hating Nazi state. That is a disgrace for these people of course, but it is also a sad reality-check for Russia: while most Ukrainian do probably not like the Nazi junta very much, they don’t care about Russia, they just care about their economic well-being. Given enough money, they would turn away and do nothing while the Nazi death-squads would terrorize and murder those who have still kept a Russian identity. Novorussia, if it happens, will probably not be much bigger than the Luganks-Donetsk regions.
Thats’ it from me for right now. I need to go tackle a huge amount of work (in virtual space and in meat space). I will be back online later this evening.
Kind regards,
The Saker