LLPOH: Getting Out Of Dodge

About 30 years ago, I took a series of jobs in Australia, turning around failing manufacturing businesses. We were there for a very few years, and during this time became eligible for Australian citizenship, which we took up. In return for saving one such failing business, I received shares in it, which I still hold today. Over the years I have remained an employee of that small private company, as has my wife, and visit regularly to see that it survives and thrives.

With respect to Australia, we love the people of the rural areas, and the land, passionately. We have never met finer people. City folk are much the same as they are anywhere, but Australian country folk are as fine as they come, as they are in the US. We love the “wide, brown land” of Australia.

“I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!”

So, it is obvious by now where this is going, and where I and my family are going. We are building our doomstead in Australia. I have kept this quiet for some time, as I value anonymity and privacy.

Australia does not have a Bill of Rights, and in some ways is far different than the US. Gun rights are substantially restricted, but virtually all guns are available, especially to those that live on the land. Freedom of speech is not specifically protected, but is so generally. Violent crime is far less than in the US. Murder is very rare, and almost all perpetrators are caught forthwith.

The political system is as dysfunctional as it is anywhere. The public debt is smallish, and the country has enormous reserves of natural resources, and has the ability to grow its population substantially over the coming decades if need be. It is a far kinder, gentler nation than the US, but that will need to be continually paid for. It has better prospects than most in so doing, owing to the above re resources and population growth, at least in the near term. It is referred to as “the lucky country” and with good reason.

The following three issues are critical to the plan we have implemented – Australian citizenship, part owner of small business, and employee of that same business. In combination, those three things have allowed us to implement plans over the past almost 3 decades that are now coming to fruition.

The benefits of citizenship are obvious – I can come and go as I please, plus citizenship passed through me to my offspring.

The business ownership allowed me to take and store and save business earnings that have already been tax paid. I am able to draw them down complete with tax credits as and when I see fit. I can access approx. $360,000 per year tax free of these earnings. If I access less, I actually get a refund of the taxes previously paid. This is very beneficial indeed.

Keeping employee status allowed us to access the private pension scheme (“superannuation”). It is a very tax effective scheme, and is meant to encourage people to self-fund retirement, rather than use the government pension system. Not only does your employer contribute a percentage of your income, a person can add more him or herself, either pre-tax or post-tax. I added a lot of post-tax funds, which has some significant benefits attached but which are too complex to visit here. The income prior to retirement is preferentially taxed, and post-retirement, all income generated by the scheme, and all income distributed by the scheme, are tax-free, if properly structured. And it does not depend on the amount.

Re the doomstead – the doomstead is on 40 odd acres of rural land, and is around half an hour from a regional center. The home/garage/shedding we have built are very substantial, and are independent from public water and energy. The homestead is water self-sufficient, with dams of a couple million gallons, and with perhaps 100,000 gallons per year filtered and sterilized rainwater collected for use in the house/pool. The outside areas will be irrigated via the dams through significant installation of pipes/pumps/filters. The option of bore water is available, but it is not high quality water, so unless necessary we will not use that option.

The house will have solar hot water, and solar electric panels will generate around 40 KW hours of electricity per day, complete with battery back-up for overnight. This will more than meet our needs, and we will sell some back to the grid. In the event of insufficient sunlight to power the battery bank, we will have a generator, and should that fail, we can tie into the grid.

The 40 acres is on a hillside with nice views, and is mixed as to its characteristics. Some of it is rocky and unusable, while some is nice pasture for a cow or two. Some of the in-between areas are being planted out for firewood and for fruit trees. A large area for growing food is under development, as are areas for egg production and such. The land is over-run with wildlife, especially kangaroos. There are goannas, and assorted birdlife, and echidnas, the odd wombat, perhaps a koala here and there (very hard to spot and only live in certain types of trees), and some of the world’s deadliest snakes about.

The project itself will be fully completed, save for some of the issues re planting of gardens, trees, etc. We are fortunate that we can do this project all at once, and understand what we are implementing, and how we are doing it, is not going to be possible for most people. I do encourage everyone to implement their own plans, however, and work toward that end.

As mentioned, our plan took 30 years, and it was ever evolving, but we had a very good vision of what we wanted to do, and an approximate date when we would do it. If you do not start the journey, you cannot get to the destination.

We are located near our friends from the past, and have responsible, hard-working neighbors of fine character next to us – gentlemen farmers such as ourselves. My kids are going to college in Australia – the education, while not free, costs around $6000 for tuition per year. One is going to the best university in Australia (approximately Ivy standard), and the other will be living at home as soon as the doomstead is complete, commuting to a rural college around 20 minutes away.

I have implemented an exit strategy for my business, which I will perhaps discuss another time.

Another upside is that we get to access our US Social Security in Australia. That pleases me to no end, as it will be good to one day get something back for all we paid in taxes and SS over the years.

There is a significant downside, which I have mentioned in passing oft-times before. The US taxes its citizens on their world-wide income, and places severely onerous reporting requirements on its citizens living abroad. And US tax law does not mesh well with Australian tax law. This will be addressed carefully, as it must. A good tax attorney has been very beneficial to us.

We hope to have transitioned by year’s end. I know folks have talked about responsibility to stay and fight, about how it is cowardly to run away, etc. I in no way see it that way.

The US is a place that I love, with people that I love. But it is deeply flawed. The US people are getting what they want, as I believe is their right. But it is not what I want. The police state is too huge, the loss of rights too pervasive, and the international aggression too frequent. The two lazy wolves and the one highly productive sheep are voting on what to have for dinner, and more and more I feel I am the sheep in that scenario. And that disgusts me and makes a travesty of everything I have believed, and everything I have worked for. The politicians and the bulk of the populace stand idly by while productive society is disadvantaged and destroyed in order to benefit the non-productive bankers, corporate giants, welfare recipients, et al.

I have paid my dues and then some. It is time for a quieter, back to nature lifestyle. We love Australia, and we are of no doubt that the lifestyle we can and will lead in Australia will be far, far more peaceful and happy than that which we could enjoy in the US. The entire family is in agreement on this. I do not wish to support financially the corrupt system, and so I am taking steps to end such support. I will vote with my feet and with my wallet, and will no longer be the milk cow for a vast number of takers. I will ultimately be responsible only for property and sales taxes, and will otherwise be largely entirely free of any tax system.

One of the basic human freedoms is freedom to move and to live where one sees fit. We are exercising that freedom, while it lasts. I am not sure that it is going to last much longer – the US is making increasing efforts to discourage its citizens from living abroad, and it is ever more difficult to do so.

Again, I understand some will view these actions poorly. But, to them I say that I am not a slave, although I have begun to feel like it. I am able to choose my own path, and have worked long and hard with foresight so that my family and I can choose our own paths. I encourage everyone to look at what they can do to minimize their exposure to the yoke, and to plan for the day when they can break from servitude to a master who cares not for you, but rather only for what you can do for him. Rapidly the productive of society are being crushed by the sheer number of those that refuse to add anything. The wolves are voting to eat the productive sheep and the process is accelerating. If you can get out of the servitude, the sooner the better, as the noose is tightening every day.

I thank the Admin, and the friends of TBP, who are doing important work here. I will continue to try to add something of value.

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El Coyote
El Coyote

Stan, My neighbor told me you can call the FBI to follow up on background checks, I suspect you can also check with the State Dept. to ask for lead times.

An “apostille” is a form of authentication issued to documents for use in countries that participate in the Hague Convention of 1961. A list of countries that accept apostilles is provided by the US State Department.

If the country of intended use does not participate in the Hague Convention , documents being sent to that country can be “authenticated” or “certified”.

The Office of the Secretary of State provides apostille and authentication service to U.S. citizens and foreign nationals on documents that will be used overseas. Types of documents include corporate documents such as company bylaws and articles of incorporation, power of attorney, diplomas, transcripts, letters relating to degrees, marital status, references and job certifications, home studies, deeds of assignments, distributorship agreements, papers for adoption purposes, etc. The U.S. State Department provides general information about document authentications and apostilles under the Hague Convention of 1961 .

Novista

SSS

No.

Didius Julianus
Didius Julianus

Stan, We did not have to get it “apostilled” but New Zealand did require the FBI issued back ground check that had the official FBI seal or something like that. It can take 8 to 12 weeks to get it and that is if their machine can read the fingerprint card you are required to send.

Tim
Tim

I had a dream last night I wanted to share with the TBP crowd.

On the right hand column of the site, there was a white button, labeled,
“Consult With LLPOH”

So, presumably, in this dream, there was an option to pay some money to have an hour of llpoh’s undivided time, to consult on business, money, tax strategies, etc.

Now, not to say that I’m prescient, but it was a dream, after all. And we all know that God speaks to us through dreams. So, Jim & llpoh, you might want to consider adding a little monetization to the site.

I know I’d pay money for consulting with him.

Think about it.

ottomatik
ottomatik

Lloph- Otto – “I have set up my affairs in a legal fashion. It is important to me that I do not keep supporting a corrupt system any more than I have to.” I fully agree and gave kudos for this way back in the flare up.
” We are expanding our charitable donations and will continue to do so. Tax is forced charity. Being free of the forced charity allows us to choose worthy causes.” Thank you for this, and thank you for all you have done as a member of this community, it matters.

Mary Malone
Mary Malone

Lipoh,
I have always admired you. I am not surprised you have planned, saved and built a bug-out home for you and your family.

Australia sounds like a very fine place to ride out the 4th Turning.

You have done your part for your country. Now it’s time to take care of you and your family.

Godspeed.

Stucky

“I had a dream last night …. there was a white button, labeled, “Consult With LLPOH” —Tim

You sure it wasn’t a nightmare? lol

Anyway, it’s a nice idea. There are MANY people here who could me “monetized”.

—- “Pray with Stucky”

—- “Golf tips from SSS”

—- “Blow Jobs from SAH”

—- “Driving Tips from bb”

—- “Eat moar fats by TE”

—- “Fucking sheep by DP”

—- “Finding nice Pussy on the net by T4C” (I’m talking about cat pictures)

Good Lawd, the money making opportunities are endless!

Homer
Homer

Llpoh–Just remember if thing turn bad roos, dingos and crocs are good eatin’.

Hey! don’t be a stranger, as long as BO keeps the internet open you can relay your experiences from down under.

Medvyed
Medvyed

If you’re eating roo, take the tail, give everything else to the dog. The meat is not bad, but is can be pretty bland due to the low amount of fat roos typically carry.

Rabbits are everywhere. Even in Queensland. Don’t listen to the bullshit Queenslanders will try and feed you about there being no rabbits there. Feral pigs are pretty common in the northern states, too.

If you have to eat crocodile, slice the meat thin before you cook it. It’s greasier than Tony Abbott’s cunt if you cook it in big chunks.

For your home garden, think Mediterranean, especially for the southern states. Grapes, olives, stone fruits and citrus grow well in the southern states, provided you have the water. Depending on where you settle, building up a soil profile for a decent vegetable garden could be a long struggle.

Best of luck to you.

Medvyed
Medvyed

Before I forget, fishing and duck hunting:

I’ll only mention hunting wild duck and geese because I used to do it as a kid. I have not done it recently simply because the regulations surrounding it are increasingly prohibitive. Be sure to keep to the bag limit, or the rangers will make it the most expensive camping trip you have ever been on.

Inland waterways in some states are choked with european carp. You can technically eat them, but they release some kind of chemical into their blood when they are stressed that makes them taste even worse. If you go to a fishing spot and find a whole mass of fish on the bank, staked through the gills, move along, the carp have fucked that waterway. If you have to eat them, drop them in ice water (you brought your cooler and beer, right?) before you kill them and just wait for their metabolism to crash from the cold before you knock them on the head.

Otherwise, you can expect to catch redfin, yellowfin and trout. The best live bait, for me, is a kind of freshwater shrip called the yabbie. Yabbies are easiest to catch in still water using miniature lobster pots and traps. It does not take much skill to make a simple trap. If you’re going to eat yabbies, you may want to put them in a bucket filled with clean water for a day or two before you drop them in a cooking pot. This is just to filter out some of the mud and grit in their systems.

On the south eastern coasts I have no trouble catching flathead and jigging for squid. If you’re lucky enough to find a spot that still has decent shellfish…Tell noone. The moment you open your mouth some greedy fuck will pick the area clean. Also, don’t feed the fucking seals. I know they are cute, but the cute factor wears off pretty quickly when your new friend starts eating the fish on your lines the, moment you start reeling them in.

a cruel accountant
a cruel accountant

Stephanie Shepard you ingnorant slut! Why don’t you pleasure yourself with a dynamite dildo! The ability for a person to move to find what is best for them is called freedom! Thank God we still have some of that left in the world. If you want to stay and fight you go right ahead that is also called freedom. My guess is you want everyone to conform you definition bravery. That is called control and that is what the fascist communist want you dumb ass bitch! You fucking think you can tell people what they can and cannot do! You are nothing but a whore who wants to gangbang the zombies of Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao.

Iska Waran
Iska Waran

Congrats, Llpoh. I am jealous, mostly because you must have married very well.

El Coyote
El Coyote

Men marry up, women marry down. Except for hunter, he’s waiting for Billah’s Wife to get her divorced.

Baz
Baz

Great idea mate. Come over and join us, plenty of room for a few more. I too live mostly self sufficiently in an Oz rural area and suspect that you will not be disappointed. Another thing that many new Australians appreciate, particularly those from the US, is that health care is free here, paid by a small levy on income tax. Good luck, and if you’re ever in the Northern Rivers region of NSW let’s catch up for a beer !

Goldorack
Goldorack

Llpoh, the co-champion of the surrender monkey argument with admin, gets the fuck out with the same methods as the banksters he has long despised…priceless!
average TBP reader, think of him enjoying a fresh Foster in his sofa, when you will fight for your life, it will lift your spirit. you hadn’t enough cash to do the same? ask him, he will confirm you are a looser

good luck lecturing others now, and good riddance

Administrator

Hey Frenchie/Goldie/Pussy

Please regale us with how you are making a patriotic stand to fight the forces of evil. Have you stopped eating chocolate croissants on Thursdays in protest?

Have you guys surrendeered to ISIS yet?

Semi-employed White Guy
Semi-employed White Guy

Stop criticizing millennialsl. They have a long list of accomplishment. Besides helping to elect and re-elect Obama, they have single-handedly resurrected the PBR brand. Bravo Millennials. Thank you for your hard work at saving America and such a quality beer-like product!

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Stucky

“Llpoh. I am jealous, mostly because you must have married very well.” ———- Iska Waran

Nah.

Most successful executives rely on a good right hand man. Llpoh? He just has a good right hand.

overthecliff

Billahs wife is hot. Will come callin soon as she gits alla Billahs shit in the divorced.

overthecliff

Was wonderig where Stuckey was myself. Best wishes.

MethodicalMan
MethodicalMan

Collapse is inevitable but the timing is another thing.

This thing has a massive, massive way to play — out. 60 even 100 years or so. Everyone here now alive will probably not see the collapse. But maybe we will see some fireworks as China and Russia overplay their hand.

What happens is that the US will inevitably move into its no-holds-barred empire phase, and Australia will jump to become a willing protectorate (right after Canada) and its local laws will be overridden where appropriate. This thing is probably unstoppable.

My money is on the likelihood that citizens actually living in the US will have the most protection from the US government. A bit ironic but already this is pretty much true.

This all truly collapses when the hydrocarbons can no longer extract themselves out of the ground — thus the timeline. But after that, Australia may be a good place to be over the next 1000 years as when western North America dries out, typically the global pattern is that Austria gets wetter, if I recall correctly.

So does that matter if you move there? Perhaps not if you can’t convince your genetic heritage to move into the boonies with you… all you can do is be there waiting…. that’s a good start. I wouldn’t count on escaping the new order clutches though, near term.

llpoh
llpoh

Stuck – I am ambidextrous.

Goldo gets the Admin treatment. Nice, very nice.

nohomehere
nohomehere

Llpoh , ” Those who got out before those changes will be grandfathered in and may get some portion of their stolen wages back if they left before the change” I have pondered the same ! Anyway, how is it that so few are even aware of the loss of liberty that is in process, I chalk it off to us being against each other! what I mean is, were being played against each other through stoking materialist competition sort of like when you were

Bob
Bob

Nice, but there are no Ivy-league standard universities in Australia. University of Melbourne barely makes it into the Top 50 in the world.

Llpoh

Bob – University of Melbourne is #33, and ranks ahead of more than one Ivy. Pays to research first, spout off second.

TE
TE

Wow, such great – and misguided – comments still running on this thread. For the fishing tips alone, I’m glad I came back to it.

It so saddens me that most are missing the reality of Llpoh leaving this land, this country of his forefathers.

The man in Native American. This world, this GOVERNMENT and OUR consent/demands have finally won, and taken the land away from him.

This makes me so fucking sad. And most can’t get past their own bias and hubris to see the truth.

In the US, government, “science” (bought and paid for) and the — increasingly non-productive – majority — whom have been attacking this man’s ancestors, and now himself, one that figured out how to win the damn game, have won.

You fools – and you know who you are – continue to attack him as he does the only SANE thing, take the hints and go.

My hub feels the same as you all, “good riddance to non-believers,” as he teeters on the razor’s edge of his own complete annihilation. Though he may eke something out, he’d fit right in with the corrupt bureaucrats.

America will miss you and yours, Llpoh. And if “they” don’t, know that “I” do. Hugs.

TE
TE

@Methodical.

True believers are beginning to crack me up.

You really think China is going to sit back and continue to supply shiny screens, silicone chips and ammunition, not to mention penicillin and insulin, in perpetuity?

As we continue to trade them real assets for our dying fiat?

I love it. Yeah, bet on that.

Empty store shelves are going to be the single most shocking thing most ‘murkins have ever seen.

Until the bad times that will follow start.

I’d be laughing, if it didn’t make me cry.

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