Marketwatch posted an article this week titled Why the American Dream is Unraveling, in 4 charts. As usual, the MSM journalist and the liberal Harvard academic can create charts that reveal a huge problem, but they completely misdiagnose the causes and offer the typical wrong solution of taking more money from producers and handing it to the poor, with no strings attached. This has been the standard operating procedure since LBJ began his War on Poverty 50 years ago. Do these control freaks ever step back and assess how that war is going?

The poverty rate had plunged from 34% in 1950 to below 20% before LBJ ever declared war. It continued down to 15% just as the welfare programs began to be implemented. The percentage of people living in poverty hasn’t budged from the 15% range since the war began. This war has been just as successful as the war on drugs and the war on terrorism. Any time a politician declares war on something, expect a huge price tag and more of the “problem” they are declaring war upon.

The Federal government runs over 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and targeted social services to poor and low-income Americans. Over 100 million Americans received benefits from at least one of these programs. Federal and state governments spent $943 billion in 2013 on these programs at an average cost of $9,000 per recipient (not including Social Security & Medicare). That is 27% of the total Federal budget. Welfare spending as a percentage of the Federal budget was less than 2% prior to the launch of the War on Poverty.

In the 50 years since this war started, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs. Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all U.S. military wars since the American Revolution. In terms of LBJ’s main goal of reducing the “causes” rather than the mere “consequences” of poverty, the War on Poverty has utterly failed. In fact, a large proportion of the population is now completely dependent upon government handouts, incapable of self-sufficiency, and enslaved in a welfare mentality that has destroyed their communities.

The primary cause of their poverty and dependency on government are the policies implemented by liberal politicians which have destroyed the family unit, promoted deviant behavior, encouraged the production of bastard children, eliminated the need for personal responsibility, provided no consequences for bad life choices, and bankrupted the nation. The rise of the welfare state has coincided with the decline of the American state. The proliferation of welfare programs has broken down the behaviors, social norms and cultural standards that lead to self-reliance, generating a pattern of growing inter-generational reliance upon government handouts. By undermining productive social norms, welfare creates a need for even greater succor in the future.

So let’s get to the four charts that supposedly reveal why the American dream is unraveling. The Marketwatch article makes the following claim:

The upper-middle-class families Putnam profiles separate themselves into affluent suburbs, with separate public schools and social spheres from those of their poorer counterparts. As a result, the poorer children not only face greater hardships, but they also lack good models of what is possible. They are effectively cut off from opportunity.

The faux journalist makes the laughable argument the reason poor children don’t succeed in life is because people who have studied hard, graduated college, succeeded in life, and moved out of poor neighborhoods have left the poor children to face hardship and lack of opportunity. This is a classic liberal storyline. Blame those who have succeeded through their own blood, sweat and tears for the failure of those who languish in poverty due to their own life choices, lack of respect for education, and lack of work ethic. Chart number one reveals one thing to the Harvard academic Robert Putnam and another to me. He believes kids of people who have a college education have some sort of unfair advantage over kids of lesser educated parents:

“The most important thing about the experience of being young and poor in America is that these kids are really isolated, and really don’t have close ties with anybody. They are completely clueless about the kinds of skills and savvy and connections needed to get ahead.”

Why are poor kids isolated, with no ties with anybody? Isolated from whom? They don’t have ties to their family? That is a ludicrous contention, supported with no facts. All kids are completely clueless. You don’t get ahead in life through savvy and connections. You have the best chance to get ahead in life through opening a book, studying hard, and getting good grades, all with the support of concerned involved parents. There are no guarantees in life, but education, involved parents, and working hard dramatically increase your odds of success. It’s not a secret formula. Putnam believes the chart below reveals that kids in households with college educated parents have an unfair advantage over kids in households without college educated parents. To me it reveals the complete and utter failure of LBJ’s Great Society programs and the feminist mantra that men aren’t necessary to raise children.

The percentage of children living in single parent households with a college educated parent is virtually the same today as it was in the early 1960’s, just under 10%. The percentage of children living in single parent households with a high school educated parent in the early 1960’s was 20%. Today that number has risen to 65%. Liberals purposely misdiagnose the problem because admitting the true cause of this disastrous trend would destroy their credibility and reveal the failure of their beloved welfare programs. The key point is that prior to LBJ’s War on Poverty less than 10% of ALL children grew up in a single parent households. Today, that number is 33%. The lesson is you get more of what you encourage and incentivize. The liberal academic solution is for college educated households to give more of their money to the high school or less educated households. Academics with an agenda never ask why their solutions haven’t worked in 50 years.

The number of households in the U.S. in 1960 totaled 53 million and there were 24 million traditional married couple with children households, or 45%. There were 3 million single parent households with children, or 6%. Today the total number of households in the U.S. is approximately 122 million and there are only 25 million with traditional married couple with children households, or 20%. Meanwhile single parent families with children households have skyrocketed to 13 million, or 11%. The war on traditional two parent families by the government, liberal mainstream media, Hollywood, feminists, and academics has been far more successful than the War on Poverty.

The drastic increase in households with fatherless children, especially in the black community, is the primary reason the poverty rate hasn’t dropped over the last 50 years. It is the primary reason poor children remain poor. It is the primary reason why every urban enclave in America continues to degenerate into dangerous, filthy, lawless ghettos.  The statistics tell the story of decline, depravity, failure, and an endless loop of poverty.

  • An estimated 24.7 million children (33%) live absent their biological father.
  • Of students in grades 1 through 12, 39% (17.7 million) live in homes absent their biological fathers.
  • 57.6% of black children, 31.2% of Hispanic children, and 20.7% of white children are living absent their biological fathers.
  • Among children who were part of the “post-war generation,” 87.7% grew up with two biological parents who were married to each other. Today only 68.1% will spend their entire childhood in an intact family.

Annual divorce rates are only marginally higher today than they were in the early 1960’s. So that does not account for the drastic increase in fatherless households. But, the differences among races is dramatic. Blacks divorce at a rate twice as high as whites and three times as high as Asians.

Marriage rates of Asians are almost three times higher than marriage rates of blacks. Marriage rates of whites are two times higher than marriage rates of blacks. Is it really surprising that Asian children score the highest on all educational achievement tests?

The facts prove that people (no matter what race) who marry and stay married offer their children a tremendously better opportunity to succeed academically, thereby giving them a much higher chance of moving up the socioeconomic ladder. This doesn’t mean that children from a single parent household can’t succeed. It just means they have a better chance with two parents. It’s just simple math. Two adults working together can provide higher income, more help with school work, and offer a more stable environment for the child. The liberal media and those with a social agenda scorn the traditional family as if it precludes people from living however they choose. The results of the war on families can be seen in the chart below.

The unwed birth rate stayed below 5% from 1945 through the early 1960’s. As soon as the government began incentivizing people to not get married and to have children out of wedlock, the rates skyrocketed. Today, four out of ten children are born out of wedlock. Seven out of ten black children are born out of wedlock. Only two out of ten black children were born out of wedlock in 1964. These births out of wedlock are not the result of dumb teenagers making a mistake. Almost 80% of these births are to mothers over the age of 20, with 40% of the births to mothers over the age of 25. And these horrific results are after the 55 million abortions since 1973. This didn’t happen because of women’s rights or women feeling empowered to raise children on their own. Knowledge about and access to contraceptives is not a reason for unwed pregnancies. Poor women and the men who impregnate them receive more welfare benefits by remaining unmarried and receive additional benefits by having more children out of wedlock.

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So all of the data confirms the fact children who grow up in two parent households do better in school, are far less likely to be enslaved in poverty, and have a chance to succeed in life, not matter what the educational level of their parents. In the early 1960s there were very few households with college educated parents. My Dad was a truck driver and my mother was a stay at home mom until we were in high school. We were lower middle class, but all three of their children attained college degrees by studying hard, working part-time jobs to help pay for their education, and having the support of concerned parents. Could we have gotten college degrees if we had been raised by only my mother? I doubt it.

Harvard Professor Putnam prefers to ignore the politically incorrect fact that a return to traditional families would begin to reverse the 50 years of damage caused by the War on Poverty. He believes it is in the moral interest of wealthier families to help improve the economic prospects of poorer children. Liberals also don’t think the $13,000 spent per student per year is enough to educate them properly. He actually believes taking more money from producers and handing it to non-producers will boost the U.S. economy.

“The U.S. economy would get a major boost if the opportunity gap were closed. We cannot continue to live in our own bubbles, or compartments on a plate, without consequences. What I hope people take away is that helping poor kids, giving them more skills and more support would economically benefit their kids.”

The country has spent $22 trillion on the war on poverty and spends approximately $1 trillion per year, but liberal academics think if we just spend more, the complete and utter failure of their solutions will be reversed. They ignore the fact a Democratic President (Clinton) and a Republican Congress instituted welfare reform in 1996 that temporarily stopped the increase in spending, halted the rise in unwed births, and put poor people back to work. Today only one welfare program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), effectively promotes self-reliance. Reforms that created TANF in 1996 moved 2.8 million families off the welfare rolls and into jobs. Those gains were reversed as the Obama administration and congressional leadership undid the employment and training requirements enacted 14 years ago. Liberals think it is cruel and inhumane to make poor people work.

Putnam’s final three charts just reinforce the fact traditional families, involved parents, and higher education lead to higher incomes and upward mobility for children in these settings. The reason children in households with college educated parents get more daily attention is because those households are far more likely to have two parents. The time was equal in the early 1970s when two parent families were more prevalent. Having strangers raise kids in government subsidized daycare centers as a substitute for fathers hasn’t worked out so well.

In another shocker, poor children, who are predominantly from single parent households, without a role model to replace their missing fathers, score far worse in tests that predict success in college. The key attribute to educational success is not the educational level of the parents, it’s the need for poor, middle class or wealthy households to have two parents invested in the future of their children.

Attributing obesity rates of children from non-college educated households to the parents’ eduction is quite a reach. In the early 1970’s the obesity rates were very close between high school educated households and college educated households. So why has it surged? The liberals claim the poor go hungry and don’t have enough food. Shouldn’t that lead to higher malnutrition rates and not higher obesity rates? Maybe the surging obesity rates are due to the government lunch programs, the fast food culture in urban ghettos, no fathers around to encourage outside activities, and using food stamps to buy junk food rather than healthier foods. Bad choices generally lead to bad outcomes. Obesity is a choice. Of course liberals now classify it as a disability which needs to be subsidized by the government.

The American dream has unraveled for many reasons. Not spending enough on welfare programs is not one of the reasons. The welfare/warfare state is bankrupt. We spend $1 trillion on welfare programs, $1.4 trillion on Social Security and Medicare, and over $1 trillion on the military/surveillance apparatus. It’s a bipartisan bankruptcy, as Republicans agree to increase the welfare state as long as the Democrats agree to increase the warfare state. The only thing sustaining this debt based house of cards is a Federal Reserve which provides zero interest financing and a never ending willingness to debase our currency to keep the status quo in power. The current rate of spending on the welfare/warfare state is unsustainable. We could voluntarily reduce the spending before the financial collapse or the spending will stop abruptly when our country undergoes a catastrophic financial implosion that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

Voluntarily putting the country back on a path of self reliance could be done if there was a will to do so. Reversing the culture of dependency would require a major dose of tough love that would upend the entire ideology of liberalism. Able-bodied, non-elderly adult recipients in all federal welfare programs would be required to work, prepare for work, or at least look for a job as a condition of receiving food stamps or housing assistance. This would promote personal responsibility and provide the recipients with some self respect.  Obama is a big proponent of national service, why not national service for recipients of welfare?

Anti-marriage penalties should be removed from welfare programs, and long-term steps should be taken to rebuild the family in lower-income communities. Marriage penalties occur in many means-tested programs such as food stamps, public housing, Medicaid, day care, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. The welfare system needs to be revamped to reduce these counterproductive incentives. The appeal of welfare programs as an alternative to work and marriage could be reduced by requiring able-bodied parents to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving aid. Today government advertises in an effort to get more people to sign up for food stamps and dozens of other welfare programs. Government should be promulgating the facts on how marriage prevents social ills – poverty, poor education, juvenile crime – associated with children born to unmarried women.

Lastly, we need to cutoff the illegal influx of low-skill immigrants from the South, whose children will receive far more in welfare benefits than they pay in taxes, if they pay any taxes. The country must reject blanket amnesty or “earned citizenship” for millions of illegal immigrants who then could access the welfare system. The welfare system is already unsustainable and adding millions of illegals into the system would be the tipping point.

Lyndon B. Johnson’ s goal was not to create an ever increasing welfare state, but to give the poor a helping hand towards self-sufficiency. His idealistic aim was to cure and prevent poverty. But, once a program is put into the hands of politicians looking to get re-elected every two years, the unintended negative consequences expand exponentially. $22 trillion later the American Dream is virtually non-existent for the 47 million Americans languishing in poverty and the once prosperous middle class who have seen their real wages stagnate due to Federal Reserve created inflation and taxes increase to pay for the ever expanding welfare/warfare state. One chart provides a major explanation of why the American Dream has unraveled, but you won’t see Obama, liberals or the mainstream media talking about it. Traditional married, two parent families are the antidote to poverty, not government welfare programs.

The debate on how to help the poor has raged for centuries. A wise Founding Father told us how the war on poverty would unfold.

“I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” Benjamin Franklin


  1. Just think Admin, you could have been a Harvard university Professor getting paid 400,000 a year to do research and teach 15 hours a week.In other words you could have been part of the loafing class but no the Lord God in heaven has casted you down so you would not become Proud and Vain.Look at on the bright side .You would have never known any of us if you would have went to Harvard or Wall Street.

  2. A graph showing the beginning of the war on drugs would have been helpful. For the first time in our history, millions of Moms have served time because of non-violent crime.

  3. This is a really depressing thread. I know its true as I see it with the feral kids running around. But what I really don’t get is the out of wedlock births. What are these people thinking? I really don’t think you have to be rocket scientist to know that this scenario almost dooms you to the lower classes. And for those at the upper end of the income/education spectrum that bear out of wedlock children. What are they thinking? Have morals and just good old common sense been thrown out the window for them also? I personally do not know any well educated people who have purposelessly produced a child out of wedlock and I hope I never do, but obviously it happens. If you were to extrapolate the out of wedlock chart out it would seem that say in 50 years all births will be out of wedlock. This is crazy.

  4. Marty – not sure the “millions” figure is quite correct.

    And re the non-violent crime, only 1/4 of those in prison for non-violent crime are in there for drug reasons. Around 2/3 of women are in prison for non-violent crimes, so 1/4*2/3 = 1/6 of women in prison are in there for drugs.

    And although women prison populations have grown substantially, to around 200,000 currnetly, prior to 2000 there were under 100,000 in prison. So your “millions of moms” in prison for non-violent crime is suspect, and your linking it to drug convictions is totally bullshit. (And given around half of women in prison are black, and given that demographic is not filled with model moms, your point is somewhat cloudy at best.)

    Might want to do a bit of fact checking next time, before you post. We can smell bullshit a mile away around here.

  5. “Reversing the culture of dependency would require a major dose of tough love that would upend the entire ideology of liberalism”. In my experience, most/all humans are not ready for “tough love” until they hit bottom and utterly fail. Not a good omen for good ole USA. Like a drunk/addict the descent into oblivion will continue until things get really bad. Then we’ll see what this society is made of. I am not hopeful. One only need to look at the first commenter here, she made your point for you. Not my fault, some else’s fault and I CAN’T.
    It is great entertainment from my vantage point however.
    Thanks for a great article.

  6. Putting aside the moral issue of abortion and given that preventive measures are readily available, why do fatherless births happen? It is a convenient way for braindead young women to secure a meal ticket without having to depend on an indecisive or indigent man to support her.
    They will be the pack leader and homemaker. Men are simply drones available for impregnation whenever they are out of prison for a few weeks with no say in the direction of the family unit. This economic idea has taken off and women now follow their own crazy flights of fancy in sexual liasons and drinking bouts.
    I recall back in the 60’s we heard quite a ruckus in the neighbor’s house, as kids we had no idea of what was going on and our parents, unlike today, did not interfere in the neighbor’s business. A few days later we saw the young girl outdoors with a cast on her arm. She was at the forefront of the women’s liberation movement, I suppose, because she was soon to be an unwed mother.
    The social order has been cast aside and as soon as Hillary comes into power, men will become obsolete.

  7. “$22 trillion later (after LBJ launched the War on Poverty), the American Dream is virtually non-existent for the 47 million Americans languishing in poverty.”
    —-from the article

    At those who want to hang your hat on the War on Drugs, which started in Nixon’s second term, as the big bugaboo for the ills in our society, the cost of that drug “war” has been just over $1 trillion since its initiation. $1 trillion versus $22 trillion.

    For you pro-drug legalization fools, please tell me again what the main problem is. I just know you can clear up the picture. Ready. Set. Go.

  8. The american decline was bound to happen regardless. At the end of WW2, the US had 50% of world GNP. That could never be maintained forever.

  9. I like the subtle evolution in your thinking, jim. You seem to be shifting from figuring out what’s wrong, to why it’s gone wrong. Great path for a no bullshit mind. Keep up the good work. Many will benefit from your clarity, myself included.

  10. My opinion, fwiw, is the lions share of the blame for the breakdown and disintegration of the traditional family can be traced to the liberalization of divorce and the creation of no-fault divorce as well as the move away from grounds-based divorce. This, as well as the creation of family courts which have transformed the economic importance of men and their importance to the maintenance of a stable family into a lottery payout for the wife who initiates a frivolous divorce (women initiate the vast majority of divorces).

    When one can get the house, car, savings, kids, and an ongoing payout for every kid until they reach 18, and they can shack up with as many transient men as they like, is it any surprise that men are increasingly refusing to marry? Families are being destroyed by the vagaries of selfish slutty women set free from the economic necessity of stable marriage to a good provider, and this is enabled and aided and abbetted by the state for God knows what reason…

    Encouraging marriage without doing something about the completely broken divorce system is ultimately doomed to failure. At a minimum, no-fault divorce laws should be completely eliminated; same goes for making one party pay the other’s legal expenses. Divorce should be costly, expensive, and humiliating for anything but proven physical abuse. When divorce means no lottery payout because you were an adulterer, all manner of social pathologies will start to be reversed.

    As to illegitimacy, I would change the laws to require both parties to be on the hook for the cost they impose on the rest of society. A single mother and the father would be required to reimburse the state for the costs the state incurrs. If this would encourage use of contraceptives, abortion, puting a child up for adoption, or marriage, the cost to the taxpayer would be minimized, and the cost to society would be far less. The problems all boil down to parties not being held responsible for their actions; restore accountability and the problems fix themselves…

  11. Admin – thanks. The shift from personal responsibility for ones actions and outcomes to governmental nanny state will in the end be the death of the nation.

    If people are paid not to work, especially those with limited skills and abilities, then they will not work. If you pay people to have children out of wedlock, then they will have them.

    You said it very well, and right you are.


  12. Simon, nice post. Reagan said signing no fault divorce as governor of california was his biggest mistake. As husband, if you screw up your marriage, you’re going to pay through the nose till the kids are 18. If your wife destroys the marriage, you’re going to pay through the nose till the kids are 18. But it’s bullish for GDP, cause now junior needs 2 beds

  13. Simon, the no fault divorce will be the downfall of the white middle class. The welfare state has thoroughly destroyed the black family by gov’t intervention to gain a buck. Whites on the other hand are well on their way to destroying their traditional family structure through bullshit feminism and man hating. My ex left me because she was “unhappy.” The only thing that could apparently make her happy was living on her own, fucking other men and buying an Audi (on credit) as a congratulations gift to herself for leaving a stable, non-abusive home. Thank God we didn’t have kids and I came out relatively unscathed minus halving a nice nest egg I had worked hard to build in a marriage partnership. That experience sure made me a better judge of character than I was when younger. Now imagine a couple kids in that mix, yep, little to no difference from the welfare queen, except I’d be paying the benefits every month.

  14. My wife and I had a long conversation over wine on date night about conspiracy theory vs. incompetence theory.

    Incompetence theory says that all of these outcomes are the result of failed policies or poor implementation or inadequate funding. If only we tweaked them, added more money to them or tried something even more radical everything would…what? be more like the world of the 1950’s that never existed? Reinstall the patriarchy? Go back to the Jim Crow era of misogyny and homophobia?

    Of course not.

    This is the planned outcome, this is what was desired by the ones who created the programs, this is the exact outcome one would expect from the behavior encouraged. In each case the intended desire was to create a more fractious body politic requiring increasing intervention by the State, ever growing demands for the restriction of freedom due to increasing crime, ever more dependence upon the very system that created the problem. If this was all the outcome of incompetence then how is it possible that those running the show have managed to solidify their power, expand their reach, increase their budgets, create even more departments and offices and eradicate all but a few remaining freedoms while at the same time ruining every functioning system (like families) that didn’t fall under their jurisdiction?

    This is the intended outcome. It will never “get better” under the control of the people who made it worse, never cost less than at this very moment, impose it’s will with anything but total compliance from the populace and deliver any type of outcome that doesn’t serve to cement further the dominance of the ruling class upon the whole of the population. Period, end of story.

    There are few options left, but the first duty of anyone who sees this and objects is to stop participating in the paradigm that allows for further involvement of the criminal class in charge. One does not plead with their tormenter for mercy when the object of the tormenter is to see you beg. Those complex societies that collapsed in the past did so based on factors such as natural disaster and resource depletion, but the ones that collapsed with complete finality did so because the populations no longer played the game. They abandoned not just the cities, but the philosophical and social framework of that society- in short, they simply walked away.

    The photograph of that young man above is all the proof that you will ever need that we have fallen beyond the point of salvation. It is a plea to demeaned, a cry for help that can never be answered, a final finger in the air to the very system that spawned it’s dysfunction. It is a slow motion self immolation so that everyone can see the flames and understand that the entire structure is on fire.

  15. I don’t know how no fault divorce works, but as a grateful recipient of one in PA, I know you cannot get one if you have kids.

    One more way to curb this, cut off all additional 1040 child support on children born after 2015. Your charts will magically change over time.

  16. You all are not diving deep enough.

    The Progressive Era is characterized by people trying to ameliorate the evils of our existence via judicious application of force via the political system (AKA the state.)

    I see people cite the war on drugs, high taxes (sending mom to work), liberalized divorce laws, and yet who connects the dots? The War on Poverty is simply the crowding out of voluntary charity in favor of coercive (tax-paid, state-administered) welfare, which predictably destroys the families of all who it touches.

    It’s the state, folks. It’s raising the state to the level of an Earthly God, and worshiping it fervently.

    What else is, “Wow, look at that “bad thing,” why, there OUGHT TO BE A LAW!”

    A prayer to the God of the State, that’s what that is. How else do we wait with baited breath each January for all last year’s New Laws to take effect, inching us ever closer to that Nirvana, that promised “Heaven on Earth?”

    How is it we don’t automatically ALL see this is absurd?

  17. Regardless whether one subscribes to belief that the moral codes of ancient Hebrew and Christians were divinely inspired is irrelevant to the fact that these values , in particular those related to sex and family were the cohesive force binding families, communities and tribes together in a mutually beneficial order which was absolutely a prerequisite for survival in times when you either contributed to the whole of you were cast aside as a unnecessary burden.

    Strict moral codes developed in ancient times allowed for no free rides as resources where finite and scarce as is still the case today, but the reality that no amount of debt based money equals the value of a loaf of bread in times of famine has been lost on the modern American. If government wills it and the central bank finances it then so must it be , right up until it isn’t , and that will be the day that family and tribe began anew to enforce a new morality code and the goverment gravy train ceases to roll.

    The sad fact is that in times of plenty the hard learned lessons of the past are easily forgotten and have to be relearned at severe cost by those that failed to preserve the guidelines set forth by those that came before…and so forth.

    1 Corinthians 10:11

    Now these things happened to them as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come.

    Proverbs 1:1-33

    The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel: To know wisdom and instruction, to understand words of insight, to receive instruction in wise dealing, in righteousness, justice, and equity; to give prudence to the simple, knowledge and discretion to the youth— Let the wise hear and increase in learning, and the one who understands obtain guidance, …

    Don’t ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.

    G. K. Chesterton

    There can be no tolerance toward democrats and communists in a libertarian social order. They will have to be physically separated and expelled from society. Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. They–the advocates of alternative, non-family and kin-centred lifestyles such as, for instance, individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism–will have to be physically removed from society, too, if one is to maintain a libertarian order.

    Hans Herman Hoppe

    1. 2015-03-22 06:15 by Karl Denninger

      Oh Nonsense (Republicans and Entitlements)

      The newsspeak is completely out of hand here.

      The Senate GOP budget released Wednesday calls for saving $5.1 trillion over 10 years, including $4.3 trillion by repealing the Affordable Care Act and curbing entitlement programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and food stamps.

      But one of the most notable elements of the Senate budget was what it omitted. The plan, the first budget from Senate Republicans since they took control of the chamber, provides few details on how or where Congress would produce those savings from Medicare and other so-called entitlement programs.

      “Compassionate suicide” anyone?

      Then there’s Bernie Sanders’ latest, which you read if you’re on his email list:

      The Senate Budget Committee on Wednesday began to debate a plan drafted by the new Republican majority. The bad news is that they want devastating cuts for working families, children and seniors. They want to throw millions of Americans off health insurance. They would cut aid to college students.

      As bad as those and other cuts would be, what the Republican budget leaves out may be even worse. It doesn’t create any jobs. It doesn’t address the 11 percent real unemployment rate in the United States. It doesn’t fix crumbling roads and bridges. It doesn’t make college more affordable. It doesn’t raise the minimum wage. It does nothing, despite Republicans’ professed worries about deficits, to close tax loopholes that help the rich and profitable corporations avoid paying their fair share of taxes and make deficits worse.

      Cut the crap Mr. Sanders, before someone indicts your sorry ass for grand theft or worse, someone not of age today (and thus unable to vote your sorry ass out of office) refuses to pay that which they had no voice in contracting for and decides to resist by any means necessary — and possible.

      Perhaps it is time that we start talking about a second Declaration of Independence, listing the lawless behavior of these so-called “lawmakers.” Hillary is a great example of “I am Queen, therefore I shall do whatever the hell I want law be damned” but those in Congress are not far behind.

      The simple fact of the matter is that every dime spent in deficit is an act of fraud, an act that in private enterprise or life is, if contracted with the same intent, a felony.

      That’s right folks — it is a crime to take on debt you have no intention of paying back. It is not a crime to go into debt and unable to pay, but if you do it with the intent not to pay, which is quite-clearly demonstrated when it is mathematically impossible to pay given the actions you are undertaking in the civilian world that is a crime.

      So why isn’t it in the halls of government? In point of fact there is no distinction in the law in this regard nor should there be. There is only the fact that we have 536 Kings and Queens who have arrogated to themselves powers that they do not, under our Constitution have nor can they legitimately acquire them irrespective of any law they may subsequently pass.

      I fully understand the political expediency of simply spending whatever you want and then tampering with the money and credit supply via so-called “mandates” to The Fed (or banks generally) to hide what you’ve done. But the fact of the matter is that such hiding is nothing more than putting on a ski mask before you rob me in order to obscure who you are; what you did has not changed.

      I refuse to show respect to such people and strongly urge others to do the same. That one chooses to give deference to avoid being shot or imprisoned is not the same thing as respect; one is a matter of survival and (relative) freedom, the other must be earned.

      I have written myriad articles on the budget and the fraud contained therein through the time that The Market Ticker has been in operation; you can find the pinned ones by simply going here and reading as you wish. The most-recent, published on the 19th, is found here.

      The simple fact of the matter is that the debate about the size of government must come to the forefront of political discussion inextricably married to the fact that basic algebra makes indefinite deficit accumulation incompatible with economic and political stability.

      For this reason deficit spending must cease right here, right now and forevermore.

      We, as a nation, as with all nations, can have whatever size government we wish but we must pay for that government in the present tense by giving up our productive surplus in the form of taxes in the present tense.

      Any spending by government of funds it does not first tax from the citizens is theft and an act of fraud as there is no intent to repay, ever, said funds. There is at this point a more than 30 year history in support of this fact. You or I would go to prison for such an act and we must, as citizens, demand that those in our government who commit the identical act of theft and fraud also be indicted and imprisoned for this very same crime.

  18. My point?

    This is PREDICTABLE. Yet it is also cyclical.

    Humans appear to always wish for a centralizing theme, a Grand Narrative that guides their existence and makes predictable their lives in some way, promising “better” tomorrow (however the Narrative defines “better.”)

    700 years ago it was Christianity in Europe. It guided every person’s daily life and they suffered the staggering difficulties of those times by clinging to the promise of the Next Life.

    Today we have a different religion. We have daily faith in the efficacy of “democracy,” or “American Exceptionalism,” or whatever term you choose, and it is so pervasive that to discuss it with you all is like trying to describe “being wet” to a fish.

    This is the Grand Narrative that “regulates” (as in “make regular”) our daily lives, yet it is a False God. The typical religion promises rewards not here and now but in a life not yet encountered. The secular religion of Statism promises those rewards today, tomorrow and next week.

    You get your Section 8 housing voucher today.
    You get your Obamaphone today.
    You get your medicaid-paid visit to the ER today.
    You get your subsidized student loan (Stephanie S.) today.

    Never does it penetrate anyone’s consciousness that these promises warp EVERYTHING around us.

    Prices are driven higher by the state-supported and state-subsidized availability of endless credit. That’s where most price inflation flows from, and why Stephanie is correct to say that no one can keep up with this baloney.

    Taxes are a crushing burden now, and must either exponentially rise to make good on all the IOU’s now issued or (and this is what will actually happen) the value of those IOU’s and delivery on their promises will be defaulted, plunging into poverty everyone who counted their present value as wealth and counted upon the delivery of those promises in future years.

    Everywhere we look the mighty FIST of the state has crowded out civil society and the family. Why raise your kids when Hillary’s tax-supported Village will do so. Why be productive and self-controlled when the state absolves you of all responsibility, leaving you to wallow in a life of permanent adolescence, wall to wall entertainment, screwing and chest-beating?

    Our entire society embraced this false Grand Narrative over 100 years ago. This column simply shows the signs of symptoms of the pathology, of a disease so pervasive, pushing us all into a hole so deep that no light is visible above.

  19. Apparently to protect and serve pays very, very ,well….eh Super Sleuth ?

    How Much Does an FBI Agent Make?

    By David Hathaway

    $121,097. Every journeyman, non-supervisory, regular ordinary plain-Jane FBI agent with five years on the job and with no particular job specialty or unique pay enhancement (like flight pay, Sunday pay, scheduled overtime pay, hazardous duty pay, foreign COLA pay, post differential, night differential, housing allowance, danger pay, travel per diem, temporary quarters allowances, or reimbursable undercover expenses), makes $121,097 if he works in the Washington, Baltimore, Maryland, or Northern Virginia area. If he works in the San Francisco area, he makes $131,752. If he works in Houston, he makes $125,475. The differences are based on “locality pay” which is an automatic premium pay added onto the salaries of all federal law enforcement officers. Agents, in all locations in the U.S., even the ones with the lowest cost of living, receive extra law enforcement locality pay. The lowest paying locale in the U.S. would have this same agent earning the bottom rung locality-enhanced salary of $111,290.

    After five years (sometimes as few as three) on the job, most FBI agents cross over into the journeyman non-supervisory pay grade of GS-13, typically landing at the level of GS-13, step 3 on the pay chart after spending the prior three years as a GS-12. The first and second year on the job are spent at the GS-10 and GS-11 levels. The standard pay for all FBI agents is calculated by starting with the base pay from the General Schedule (GS) pay chart and adding the percentage for locality pay. The extra locality pay varies by geographic area from 14.16% on the low end to 35.15% on the high end.

    When they reach this cap, they are, as are all GS employees, restricted from earning more. This pay cap is often reached during an agent’s career progression with only the two automatically received (availability and locality) forms of premium pay factored in. The limit may be exceeded, in effect, when certain other forms of pay and benefits are received that are not included when computing progress towards the limit. The cap is currently set at $158,700 and goes up occasionally.

  20. @Flash,
    Today everyone embraces everyone. That’s the liberal (actually, collectivist) order.
    We are at the apogee of this Narrative, and it is visibly breaking down. Leading edge data informs me that the wave has crested and the early part of it is already crashing toward a New Narrative. People are talking about things today that they wouldn’t even allow themselves to THINK five years ago.

    The New Narrative will be increasing distrust. Those haranguing us to embrace other races, cultures, religions, etc. will be silenced and walls topped (figuratively, then perhaps literally) by razor-wire will be erected.

    Eventually we’ll see what amounts to tribalism and even clan-ism resurface, and the circles of trust shrink and shrink and shrink. The family will be the locus of allegiance, just as it has throughout history, and the state’s Total War on it will fail where families regain power. Those continuing to eschew family in favor of the state will surely suffer.

    Those who attempt to freeload or counter that new Narrative will be shown the gate and expelled into the no-man’s-land between fortified trust-structures. Or they will simply be shot and placed in the pile with the rest of those who were inside the gates but who were not part of the circle of trust.

    Yes, this sounds repugnant and I hate to see it come, but these things are cyclical. We’ve been at the extreme edge of this cycle for decades, and none of us will recognize things when we finally reach the other extreme of the next deflection in the cycle.

    The shrillness of the MSM and Social Justice Warriors (SJW’s) today is evidence that they intuit their loss of traction. They pushed too far and too long, and they neither grasp the pathologies their folly fomented nor can they reverse the growing perception of the symptoms of pathology (e.g., black on black and black on white crime.)

  21. If you fund something you get more of it. Bad behavior is no different. I agree with Hardscrabble (wait, did I really say that?), the ruling class doesn’t see this as a problem to fix but rather an opportunity to be exploited. Quinny’s 30 Blocks of Squalor delivered 107% of its vote to Obama. Why would a liberal ever want to fix it?

  22. Interesting to compare the comments and discussion going on here to the comments to this same article on Washington’s blog.

  23. DC, I agree %100 .Democracy , like all other forms of collectivism has proved a dismal failure and one needs to look no further than state or national leadership to get a good visual on the affect on government of allowing a nation of morons the right to vote.

    The nature of government is cyclical and I believe , as we now see with the Bush /Clinton dynasties , that the wheel of fortune is again spinning back to government by aristocracy .
    Democracy will only tolerated by the productive as long as the price of government does not exceed the price of a comfortable lifestyle, and when the Democracy fails to provide for the security and accommodating wealth necessary to maintain that middle class lifestyle, rule by mob will outworn it’s welcomes and the gloves will come off.

    I’ve been reading a good bit of Hans Herman Hoppe on this subject and he certainly leans toward the same conclusion .Democracy is done.

    In my book Democracy, The God That Failed I not only defend the right to discrimination as implied in the right to private property, but I also emphasize the necessity of discrimination in maintaining a free society and explain its importance as a civilizing factor. In particular, the book also contains a few sentences about the importance, under clearly stated circumstances, of discriminating against communists, democrats, and habitual advocates of alternative, non-family centered lifestyles, including homosexuals.

    For instance, on p. 218, I wrote “in a covenant concluded among proprietors and community tenants for the purpose of protecting their private property, …no one is permitted to advocate ideas contrary to the very purpose of the covenant … such as democracy and communism.” “Likewise, in a covenant founded for the purpose of protecting family and kin, there can be no tolerance toward those habitually promoting lifestyles incompatible with this goal. … (violators) will have to be physically removed from society.”

    In its proper context these statements are hardly more offensive than saying that the Catholic Church should excommunicate those violating its fundamental precepts or that a nudist colony should expel those insisting on wearing bathing suits. However, if you take the statements out of context and omit the condition: in a covenant… then they appear to advocate a rights violation.

    1. “To believe in personal responsibility would be to destroy the whole special role of the anointed, whose vision casts them in the role of rescuers of people treated unfairly by “society”.”

      Thomas Sowell

  24. As always events will be ultimately controlled by those with the best leadership and the most weapons. I don’t know whether we will emerge into a new day or descend into a dark age.

    The crisis period will not be pretty and America will share in the trauma it barely experience the last time.

  25. When the bums ask me if I have any quarters I now respond with “Yes I do.” and continue walking instead of apologizing and saying no. If you are too lazy to figure out how to abscond with your own little piece of the massive pile of already stolen welfare wealth you don’t deserve anything. The few of us who continue to work to pay for the bountiful cartloads of others at Wall Mart at least deserve to walk the streets unmolested.

  26. Funny, nobody mentions calling moms to work then shipping the family-supporting jobs to China.

    Nor the unsustainable, once in a lifetime, build up of tech thanks to dotcom and Y2K, which added millions of other, skilled not educated, family supporting jobs. That ended in 2000.

    Thanks to the war on terror, we didn’t notice that either. Then, of course, housing jumped in to further in-debt, and indenture, people that were/are being made redundant by wage and protectionism arbitrage.

    We are regulating and taxing JOBS out of existence and we focus on the, as usual, users of the lifelines.

    THE JOBS ARE IN CHINA. Do you people not SEE what I see? Are your business parking lots full of employees? Are your industrial parks adding on and booming enough to take up the continued growth of our population?

    The “wealth” that was left, and what shows up in the government’s fake number reports, has just been siphoned up by those at the very top. And things like insurance, tickets, taxes, fines, penalties and bullshit added to every thing we need to survive in this country.


    As for the right-wing, conservative, statist-loving (a rose by another name), version of future Utopia and God, I feel so sorry for our future.

    There are many paths to God and none of them include murdering people in his name and morality.

    The REAL Satan, for me, is the worship of authority and science. Especially paid for science.

    Our real god is blind faith in the government-mandated and sponsored experts, exactly like the douche that wrote the study and wants to destroy more productive to create Utopia.

    It makes my heart ache. Then I pray, and I feel peace that those that misunderstand will someday atone, and feel the hatred and pain they spewed in this realm. As will I. Everybody pays if he wants into heaven. No matter what flavor they profess themselves to be.

  27. Here’s something we could try:

    Spend the same on welfare as we do now, but make a lifetime of welfare benefits contingent upon NOT having kids. These folks know what they’re doing. If they’re going to have kids in order to get a free ride and never have to work, just imagine how much happier they would be to get one for NOT having kids.

    Just tell everyone when they reach the age of 18, if you don’t want to bother getting an education or a job, you can get permanently sterilized and then you will be taken care of in a First World standard of living for life.

    If you want kids, though, you’re on your own. They’re your responsibility.

    In one generation, we’d have full employment and almost no one on welfare.

  28. HS said: “This is the planned outcome, this is what was desired by the ones who created the programs, this is the exact outcome one would expect from the behavior encouraged”

    What you describe is known as the Cloward-Piven strategy, which IS a conspiracy. The definition below only states the welfare system, but the strategy has metastasized into immigration and healh care also. The intent is to eventually bring full socialism as the defacto form of government.

    Wikipedia: “The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of “a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty”.

    The strategy

    Cloward and Piven’s article is focused on forcing the Democratic Party, which in 1966 controlled the presidency and both houses of the United States Congress, to take federal action to help the poor. They stated that full enrollment of those eligible for welfare “would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments” that would: “…deepen existing divisions among elements in the big-city Democratic coalition: the remaining white middle class, the working-class ethnic groups and the growing minority poor. To avoid a further weakening of that historic coalition, a national Democratic administration would be constrained to advance a federal solution to poverty that would override local welfare failures, local class and racial conflicts and local revenue dilemmas.”[3]

    They further wrote:
    “ The ultimate objective of this strategy—to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income—will be questioned by some. Because the ideal of individual social and economic mobility has deep roots, even activists seem reluctant to call for national programs to eliminate poverty by the outright redistribution of income.[3]

  29. @ TJF…..Let me guess, those on Washington’s blog pretty much maintain that as long as there’s still flesh to be consumed by the entitlement cancer that everything is fine.

    The truth is that the cancer has gotten so big that to cut it out would kill the patient, and to leave it will kill the patient. The patient of course being the status quo, that entity that every politic in America is sworn to save.

  30. @Rise Up, while I agree, I also think C-P is but one of the guiding memes. Agenda 21 is a big one. Reduce population while clearing out the country to the coasts. When the welfare spending slows, as it eventually must (that which is mathematically unsustainable, will not be sustained), then the real bleed out will begin.

    I expect turf wars, with the havenots storming the “prepper” haves, and authority stepping back and allowing it to occur.

    Since so many businesses are already shuttered, and so few start ups that are bricks and mortar not depending on the remaining middle, it isn’t as difficult to convince worker bees there is a better life. Free housing and hot food would do it after any length of deprivation and hostilities.

    Our entire way of life depends upon the utility grid, which degenerates year by year, our shipping infrastructure, again deteriorating while building bullet trains to nowhere, and Asia continuing to ship us our daily needs.

    If any one of them goes down, the average, victimized, worker bee would be scared, confused, and probably sick as hell as they come off the prescriptions. I can easily see being led to a promised land, which in most histories, turns into living hell.

    Yep. Trusting there is a purpose, and safety, for those I love. That is about as far as I can allow myself to think anymore.

    Hell on earth is coming. Whom truly can figure out the flavor? I get the feeling it won’t matter anyway, as a shit sandwich tastes bad no matter the condiments you pour upon it.

  31. Our religion, Crony Capitalism, has made huge swaths of people redundant, superfluous, un-needed and unwanted – so they must be kept as pets or starve in the streets.

    The illusion that if their entitlement monies were cut off that miracle of miracles “Capitalism” would rise from the ashes and these same people would either sink or swim is ridiculous – they would all sink.

    And so will the rest of us in due time.

    Unless you have connections, an “in” in an ever shrinking pie, it is just a matter of time before the Crony Capitalism kicks you and yours to the curb – you can kiss any vestiges of a middle class life good-bye.

    Call it whatever, the slow burn, the boiling frogs, the drip-drip-drip of Fabian socialism, CP, the welfare state is the stepping stone to a two class society. The power that existed in the communities has been removed, local politicians are limited in what they can achieve and marginalized in any larger venue – they no longer matter. To move up in politics is to sell out to the power of the connected.

    Opportunities for the unconnected were removed as much for the ridiculous notion they might feel as if they had something to contribute but that they had a right and a responsibility to contribute.

    You are either connected and therefore compromised or you are unconnected and disregarded.

    It’s like LLOPH said – the middle class was an aberration and it’s time is over.

  32. Yep, those damn liberals did it all. A congress so divided they can’t make a decision to go to the toilet in less than a year. Government corruption top to bottom. An out of control military waging war in countless un-named countries. The worst, most expensive health care system in the world, Ever increasing income inequity. A crumbling infrastructure everywhere. Presidents with the capability of a 15 yr old. An educational system that ranks somewhere in the low 20s when compared to the adult world. Yep, it’s those damned liberals!!

    Frankly, I think it’s all of us as I see little difference. I don’t think there’s a “liberal” element at all. All I think we are a nation of fanatical right wingers.

    And those low life bastards living off the system. You know, those making $10-15 an hour. What is it, one fourth of American families making less than 25K a yr? The answer appears to be let em starve as I gaze out from my McMansion or maybe from my private island. Tell you what, all you whiners, if the bottom has it so damn good, come on down. There’s plenty of room.

    I do a fair amount of studying history and not the propaganda shit we got in high school. As a system collapses, a segment(s) of society are selected to direct anger at. As far as I can read, it’s not the top levels. It’s always the powerless. So lets all climb on board with the hateful rants.

  33. @eugene, I agree with all you said, except the “congress so divided they can’t make a decision…”

    That is UTTER bullshit. They get together and vote, in a million ways, to screw us harder, nearly everyday they are in session. SO much HAS been passed. They are passing legislation at a near record breaking pace.

    It is UTTER myth that “nothing is getting done.”

    We are getting screwed, good and hard, by CONgress. The “fighting” is Kabuki theatre designed to keep us distracted from that which is actually happening.

    So easily divided and distracted. So damned easy…

  34. While generally sympathetic to your point of view, there are two things you have overlooked:
    [1] The changing position of women.
    [1.1] The influx of women into the labor force has separated society largely into households with two jobs and those with zero, contributing to the downfall of the latter.
    [1.2] The extra income generated by women has bid up scarce (unmanufactured) goods such as land, sinking most of the extra income into more expensive housing, and simultaneously putting it beyond the reach of a good part of the population.
    [1.3] The legal/divorce backdrop has made it unappealing for responsible men to marry a been-around-the-block-53x slut to whom they will forever owe alimony and who will take half of their assets as well as their children on the flimsiest of excuses.

    [2] Self-reliance is great, but there is no point to being a billionaire if you are self-reliant: Who would you pay to do stuff unless involved in society, as are we all. The work is simply not there.
    [2.1] In the great depression (and prior depressions) half of the unemployed survived by going back to the family farm where you could at least raise your own food. That avenue of survival has closed.
    [2.2] If the work programs are not simply punitive (that is, useless work), they will compete with the bottom slice of the current labor market, making things even worse than now.
    [2.3] Our powers of production have increased significantly, reason why since the eighties there has been structural unemployment (counting simply the proportion of working aged men with full-time employment): We can easily increase production without creating a proportional number of jobs. This trend is accelerating: there is nothing for all those people to produce that we cannot easily produce in quantity already. Even in China >50% of jobs are in the services industry.
    Mankind existed100.000s of years by hunting and gathering. 10.000 years ago we transitioned to agriculture, but every hand was needed, if only for physical energy. 200 years ago we industrialized, and needed factory hands (and unemployment first made itself felt). 35 years ago we shifted to a services economy. The next stage is is automation (of manufacture, transport, and of most services, including those provided now by highly paid professionals). Nothing close to universal employment will ever return, and if mankind as a whole does not somehow share in the dividends to this progress, society will fall apart.

  35. “The welfare system is already unsustainable and adding millions of illegals into the system would be the tipping point.” A bit of pomposity doesn’t hide the likelihood you are seriously mistaken about the economics involved here.

  36. The first poster up there is a woman who says “A good education and hard work will not beat inflation. I can’t out earn the inflation we have all been facing the past 10-15 years.”

    Well Stephanie, white men started feeling that way about the time women began taking their jobs away under the guise of non-discrimination. Women decided that they didn’t like the job they had at home because taking care of children, cleaning and washing dishes was beneath their dignity. So then they decided they would leave the kids with an artificial babysitter and go take mens jobs away from them for the next generation. It seemed to work fairly well for a few years because having two incomes helped pay off the mortgage and get a new car sooner. But then came a new problem. Women found out that they couldn’t get along with their husband anymore because they were making money now and wanted more control and ended up losing their marriage to the tune of 80% divorce while keeping their jobs and their kids. The courts took the kids away from the Dads because it favors women in divorce settlements. So next the women had the kids and they still had a job to support the kids, but no husband. Husbands were just kind of an appendage and it really didn’t matter if you had one or not. After all, they were just men and you could pick one up anywhere. So as soon as the economy adjusted to having both the man and the woman in the work place, taxes and inflation went up relative to 2 incomes. The problem was that this tax thirsty government which wanted women to go to work so it could double dip on taxes still wanted that tax money regardless of the fact that Mom and Dad were divorced and it really didn’t care that the inflation rate was over the top and getting worse. Employers just did what the government told them up to the point where it put them out of business. Then the real down cycle started, only this time there was no one to help keep the kids, pay the bills and make the living all at the same time. Not to mention that after a generation of this behavior where kids have no Dad to raise them, it took even more tax dollars to build enough prisons to hold all of these kids whose Moms were too busy getting self fulfillment in a work place where no Dad was necessary.

    Now the problem has come full circle. Since women took the jobs that men once had and men are out of work, women now have to pay the taxes that men were paying, but the jobs that women can do just don’t earn enough to satisfy the new insatiable appetite of a tax scheme and social structure that has nothing but scorn, ridicule and mockery for all things masculine. Oh, and that’s the other thing. Women continue to vote for the most liberal candidates who promise them more and more giveaways. What they don’t realize is that men are already at the poverty level and have nothing to giveaway. So what women are really voting for is to have the government take what little pay a woman can make and give it to others.

    Ain’t equality and feminism just great? Hope you gals are proud of what you did.

  37. Where the notion of social justice went off the rails is when “social” began to eclipse “justice.” The desires of the collective became preeminent over fairness to the individual.

    I watch my adult kids work their asses off to maintain something akin to a productive middle class life
    for themselves and their children. They pay plenty in taxes so others can be manifestly unproductive except for indiscriminate breeding, then they get to pay for raising the resulting offspring. One wonders how much longer this can go on.

    The mandate to care for the weak (specifically widows, orphans, and immigrants) is clearly manifested throughout the Bible. Bastard children and their mothers are not part of this group. Why enable a behavior that is destructive to the mom, the kid, and the community? Our grand and compassionate experiment in opposition to this construct has resulted in complete disaster.

    Would it be so hard for a state to decide and declare “One year from this date all federal, state, and local programs offering financial assistance to children afterward born outside of marriage and their mothers will end for our residents. Make plans accordingly.”

    Of course, illigitimacy would not disappear; accidents or poor choices would still occur. The numbers would be small enough, however, that families or charities could provide assistance.

    What would have to disappear is the bureaucracy that feeds off this social pathology, and that of course is the biggest obstacle to the restoration of sane policies.

  38. Unfortunately, Eugene sentiments are pervasive.

    Society collapses or rather the government collapses because it can’t get enough tax revenue from the people. Always, everywhere at all times.

    It issues debt to postpone the future when it will renege. It tries to devalue its currency first. People respond by using shaved coins for transactions(deflation) and hoarding the good ones. People accept that money because it’s as good as it gets because there is no confidence in the future.

    Collapse means there isn’t enough tax revenue to harvest Eugene. And in the final stages the powerful you speak of. The people with the guns and ability to wipe out a savings account at a bank is not the greedy corporations or the ill defined rich.

    Whom, incidently are the first to get wind of the governments intentions and begin to move resources elsewhere. Even if it means leaving their mansions to the city of Detroit or Ancient Rome.

  39. @ admin….Ghetto Logic fails Prison Reality 101 …bitches named Paul get “fucked” every day “up in’ the State owned Gray Bar Motel.

  40. Pirate Jo, it won’t work.

    For welfare (as we know it) to end, you have to have a consensus evolve accepting of children suffering.

    It ain’t gonna happen.

    It is impossible to ameliorate the suffering of the child without either:
    1. Forcibly removing the child, forcibly sterilizing the mother and Village-Raising said child (a disaster), or
    2. Enabling the parent.

    For this reason it is IMPOSSIBLE to ameliorate the suffering of the child without embedding even more problems. The paradox is that no one will accept the kind of suffering you’d see. Credible reports from India suggest kids will be intentionally crippled to enhance their take as beggars. Does anyone doubt such things would be done in North America as well, if it “paid?”

    Welfare is here until collapse. Ditto Warfare. And there’s a whole lot of ruin still left in this country.

  41. @Admin, the “best” ghetto (or ghetto-turning middle class ‘burb, don’t have to be dark to be a worthless sucker of societal tit) birth control is thus:

    Raise your girls to value their body, in an age of cheapness. Hold it up, idolize it, point out the fact when you didn’t value it not easy things/bad outcomes happen. Teach truth about people, especially horny teen boys, teach birth control.

    Value education and the ability to take care of yourself – through skills and hard work – instead of continuing of our overcrowded species.

    Denigrate, and pity, the members whom believe all the lies and suck from the system – rather they be tit-sucker, or tit-administrator, or tit-bankster (as JP Morgan makes BILLIONS running the EBT and other plastic benefits), at every opportunity.

    Expose the hypocrisy of asking for equality while demanding special treatment. Make it well known that life, and raising children, is so much easier with a WORTHY mate.

    And finally, most importantly, let her know that just because she is female, it does not mean she has to be doomed to a poverty-stricken brood of children dependent on the continued farce of our fiat, or generosity of men that have already proven they cannot do the right thing by their own offspring.

    Or a life of working full time and part time parenting. True equality is the security of providing for oneself, with or without a man.

    A girl with all that in her head won’t likely jump into the sack with the first guy that says he loves her. At least this momma hopes. And will have condoms.

  42. JWRebel,
    It used to be, if you didn’t work you didn’t eat.

    Food allocation was justifiably, inextricably related to food production. Industrializing the economy only built on the division-of-labor economy that preceded it; if you didn’t do something productive, you didn’t eat (wives raising kids is highly productive, BTW.)

    Now we head into a brave new world where scarce resources are turned into great wealth via automation, involving fewer and fewer people’s input.

    How do you propose resources be allocated? Right now the answer to that question is “politically,” and it is clearly headed for the same disaster as Plymouth Colony while it attempted to employ a socialist approach.

    I don’t have an answer. I just pose the question, knowing that paying unproductive people to sit around have have kids they don’t care about is a prescription for eventual, complete collapse of human civilization.

  43. TE, good luck with that.
    To me, girls who give away sex are fools. Would they as easily give away their clothes, their phone, or their shoes and underwear? The devalue their bodies to zero. I’m not a prude, I get that people might have sex prior to marriage, but casual sex is beyond stupid.

    The same holds true for males, however. Everything you do becomes a part of you, and every action is embedded in your memory. Who is so stupid that they disrespect their future wife by embedding lots of intimate memories with other girls in their minds?

    I still recall an acquaintance who told me that the girl he married was not the one with whom he had shared the most passionate relationship. Small wonder that 3 kids later they’re divorced…bitterly.

    Also, physical intimacy is a wonderful system for enhancing emotional intimacy…unless you’ve conditioned yourself to experience physical intimacy without emotional involvement. If someone thinks they can habituate to casual sex and then suddenly revert to where sex is emotionally meaningful, I have a bridge to sell them.

  44. No part of that supports “casual sex” (and you are wrong, anyone can change if the desire is great enough. Millions do it everyday. Some with god, and some without acknowledging his help).

    I am teaching my daughter to value herself more than she values the opinion – and love – and some horny boy. While teaching her that she must support herself, and her family.

    I’m hoping your “good luck with that” was not sarcastic, as I don’t understand what you think I should change.

  45. TE, I didn’t raise girls. I’m not being sarcastic other than in a sardonic way, given that females are clearly the more social of the sexes, and therefore are more pulled by the invisible tug of social mood (or pop culture, if you prefer.)

    I think it’s difficult for young people to shrug off the not-so-subtle pressures of social control, and it’s more difficult for girls than boys, that’s all.

    It can be done, so in that I wish you success. I don’t know what the essential ingredient is for daughters, but given I already have one granddaughter, I hope my son(s) and daughters-in-law discern it.

    Perhaps I over-read your comment; I think it’s great that a girl sees a role as wife and mother as among the highest of callings. I am highly suspicious of the feminist notion that a young woman needs not a man to find a fulfilling life, just as I am suspicious of the converse. In your comment I see a heightened emphasis on a woman as self-supporting, and down that road I see the faces of the corporate career women I’ve known who, in behaving like badly-socialized men while putting career first, often ended up being lousy in their occupations and complete rolling catastrophes as mothers and wives. They left piles of screwed-up kids in their wake.

    Perhaps my Happiness Path is not that of others. I just call ’em as I see ’em, and what I see is that a sweet-tempered young woman who has educated herself, developed a little talent (music?), enjoys reading and conversation and has spent enough time around small children to know she wants some of her own can choose the very best among all young men. What she doesn’t need is an inflated sense of her value (she cannot be both a man and a woman, contrary to current feminist dogma) and while she does bring something of incalculable value (herself) to the process, the damned sun doesn’t rise and set just to suit her fancy. Can you tell I’m sick to death of women whose self-image is too inflated to fit in the Superdome. The world is stuffed with them now.

    Perhaps it’s just enough to get daughters to de-emphasize the opposite sex until after high school.

    PS: What is reported about sexuality is largely BS. Almost all sex-based social science is junk. The only thing I encountered that is remotely credible was a study done at the Univ. of Manitoba over a number of years. Several take-aways: 1. Girls who were not virgins while taking a 100-level course in psych largely started having sex at a mean of 15 years of age, and nearly all initiated with a boyfriend. 2. Some of the girls (a third?) had not yet had sex. 3. Neither had about the same # of the boys. The bottom line: Not everyone is doing it prior to or even “at” college. The college will tell you the exact opposite. They will tell your kids the same thing.

    Social control occurs everywhere. Only the strongest resist.

  46. And no, I don’t buy “anyone can change.”

    Extremely FEW people change (I’ve not met any, but I’ve heard unicorns, too, exist.) Most people spend their lives getting better at who they really are. Good people get better, while crappy people get crappier.

    We are what we do. People who do stupid things long enough may be able to put on a mask and camouflage their stupid for a while, but my money is that they revert to their mean eventually.

    A man or woman may be able to dabble in stupid (who among us didn’t?) and get back on track, but the longer one indulges in stupidity and self-destruction, the more embedded are those behaviors. Once a drunk, always a drunk. Until recently I did not understand this. Even old dogs learn new tricks.

  47. @Jay

    “Well Stephanie, white men started feeling that way about the time women began taking their jobs away under the guise of non-discrimination. ”

    So lemme get this straight, you think women “took” away men’s jobs. I must have missed all the women being loggers, mechanics, construction workers, electricians, and plumbers. If your accusations were true manual labor jobs would be dominated by a female work force.

  48. Yow Stephanie, we can just leave all those manual labor jobs to the male yard apes, that way women can do all the brainy inside air-conditioned jobs so they won’t mess up their hair. It’s almost as much of an indignity for women to have to do manual labor as it is for them to have to stay at home and raise children. And forbid the thought that a woman would ever play a support role to her husband in marriage.

    So let’s see now, what’s left that women are good for? I know, we can make them all Secretary of State like Hillary because most women are pretty good at emails and hiding inconvenient truths that should send them to jail.

  49. I love how idiots like eugene declare fact based articles as hateful rants. That is a classic liberal response. I’m surprised he didn’t declare the hateful rant as racist. That always works for moronic liberals who can’t add or think critically about issues.

    eugene is another one of those RE like one trick ponies. Personal responsibility doesn’t enter the equation in his warped mind.

    The hate and wanting to control other people’s lives comes from liberals like eugene. I have nothing but utter contempt for his ilk.

  50. dc sunsets

    I agree with you about raising daughters who are confident, capable, and have a healthy sense of their own value. I would add to your analysis the critical role fathers play in the process. From my own experience, and my observation of many others like me, the absence of a loving father makes achieving a sense of self-worth much harder for a girl. A little girl who is adored by a healthy man in a healthy marriage will be far more likely to wait for the same kind of individual to be a life partner. How many millions of young girls are running around seeking the love they never got from dear old dad?

    Throw in the values promulgated by pop culture and you have an even more destructive mix. All those cute starlets and musicians flaunting their babies with the uncommitted daddies send a powerful message. You too can be this cool.

  51. Good article! Should go viral to all American citizens with balanced minds. They would be the only one to understand the implications of this and the force needed to kick out mindless politicians forever!

  52. @Jay

    The female dominated professions are still care giving, education, and administrative. That has not changed since the beginning of the 20th century. What has declined are male dominate professions in manufacturing and construction.

  53. DC-females are clearly the more social of the sexes, and therefore are more pulled by the invisible tug of social mood (or pop culture, if you prefer.)

    Sure. Not only do the womynz get to vote their “feelings” , but get to repopulate the nation with the product of their “feelings” as well…a future so bright , you gotta’ wear braids.


  54. hardscrabble farmer–YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. It is exactly what was planned. When you posit a choice between the Incompetence theory or the Conspiracy theory, you’re giving these A**holes a pass.
    These are self serving evil doing people and you need to hold them accountable, and that doesn’t mean voting for the other guy. Your voting is complicity in a social travesty. Voting ties you into a system that is filled with false hope and solidifies their hold over you. Why is it so important you vote? So important that Obama wants to make voting mandatory under penalty of fine. If it was a good thing, people would do it voluntarily and not be forced into it at a point of a gun. “If voting made a difference, they would never let you do it.”

    We haven’t won a war since the War Department was changed to a PeaceNik name: called the Defense Department. Talk about Orwellian newspeak. LBJ’s War on Poverty is another lost war, like all the others. A successful attempt to snatch fantasy from the jaws of reality. But, what is the reality for the Republicrats? More government and more control over your lives. God gives you freedom and the government takes it away. Sometimes, I think that humanity is a pitiful lot.

  55. @dc sunsets,

    I have neither babies nor ambition. I HAVE IT ALL!!! I have always snickered at the idea that “having it all” for a woman meant having both a high-powered career and children and being the kind of superwoman who can have both by “leaning in.” I mean, you already have to be rich for that to work.

    I don’t want a high-powered career OR kids, let alone both at the same time! There are SO MANY other things! Anyway I’m no superwoman – just a happy dork lying in the periwinkle with the sun on my nose.

    Now in other news, some interesting comments have popped up about the future of automation and its impact on the labor market. That’s my latest pet brain project, in fact. Has anyone read this yet? It’s a couple of years old, but I didn’t stumble upon it until last week. It was a pleasant surprise to read the comments and find that most of them were quite thoughtful:

  56. Poverty is a term that shouldn’t be used especially in a governmental context. It is very imprecise term which can mean anything. Progressives use imprecise terms all the time because they can be twisted to fit any agenda.

    Compared to Bill Gates, I’m in poverty. Compared to me an African is in poverty. Compared to an African that has running water, an African in another country without running water is in poverty. It is all relative, therefore, meaningless as a criteria for government action. However, it can be twisted to serve an agenda, which is the point. What is the point you ask? Why, increase taxes and increase the size of government.

    People need to judge government by their results and not the programs they espouse. These psychopaths have a Midas touch for s**t. When it all fails, they always excuse themselves and say, “If
    only…———-” (fill in the blanks).

    People give up your illusions about gov. In the last 200 years, they have killed more people and destroyed more infrastructure and capital. Today, govs are hell bent on starting WW4. As the ‘War on Poverty’ shows, it’s you or them and you don’t seem to be doing so well.

  57. There is no fix for liberalism/progressivism. Liberals will never admit that their solutions are actually the problem. There are too many brain dead liberals and government check recipients to turn things around. If the data don’t support them, then they change the data. According to liberals, the economy is booming, unemployment is low, Iran is not a terrorist state, everything is Bush’s or Reagan’s fault, global warming is real, etc, etc. We are warned about rising sea levels as Obama buys beach-front property in Hawaii. We hear endless diatribes about “Hands up, don’t shoot” even though everyone knows that never happened. Blacks can kill or beat whites for no reason, and it never makes the headlines. If a policeman shoots a black in self defense, get ready for Al Sharpton and BHO to declare the criminal to have been saintly (just like the son that BHO never had).

    Liberals and crony capitalists collaborate to regulate the free market to death, and kill our jobs with free trade agreements. Then the liberals declare that the free market doesn’t work. In summary, don’t expect our downhill slide to end without a catastrophic intervention. The universities are cranking out drones who think communism is cool.

  58. I have friends that could be considered in poverty based on income. They have a car big screen tv, computers. and very nice living arrangements.

    He said, “We better vote for Obama or my wife won’t get her free knee replacements” Well she got her free knee replacements, free back surgery, free carpel tunnel surgery. Almost a million dollars worth of surgery . All free.

    Well, enlightened readers, we know that nothing is free. Someone always pays. These friends are hoping that someone else pays. Many Americans are hoping someone else is paying for their EBT and SNAP cards. Alas, nothing is free!

    All these Americans, who are hoping they don’t have to pick up the tab for their expenses, are going to find out what the price is going to be and that they are going to pay, when the economy collapses, this year.

    They are going to be really mad because they thought they weren’t going to have to pay.

  59. dc.sunsets says, “How do you propose resources be allocated?”

    Socialist think that “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”–Karl Marx The problem is that the rulers, aka elites, are the neediest of all. Some pigs are more equal than others.

    Capitalists think that “If you don’t work you don’t eat” Which is biblical, to scratch a living from the earth, you will labor all the day of your life.

    How has scarce resources been allocated, historically???

    War, to the victor goes the spoils.

    Philosophically, socialism-you have two, I’ll take one and give it to another. (Government decree)
    Now you know why government is held in such high regard by those on the receiving end.

    Barter, an exchange of commodities. Surpluses create the opportunity for trade. I have 4 daughters, I’ll trade one of them for one of your oxen.

    Money–No, not the stuff made out of green pieces of paper. The glittery stuff. The glittery stuff isn’t easy to get. You have to work hard for it. In other words, you have to contribute to the economic pie before you can take a bite out of the economic pie. The Philosophical group thinks this very unfair to those who want to eat the economic pie without contributing to it.

    Real money rations scarce resources most effectively and fairly. I vote for the money rationing scheme.

    Does this mean that many who relied on the Philosophical scheme will suffer? Yes, but I see no way to avoid it. The alternative, if any, is the destruction of civilization, which can only exist thru trade.

  60. There was that graph showing different nation’s birth, growth and decline, I believe the normal cycle was around 200-300 years.

    Like boomers, the country is attempting to stay young by cosmetic means such as botox, facelifts and running shoes.

    A liposuction would help but then there’s the unsightly fat to get rid of, some clinics dump it out in the desert.

  61. El Coyote,

    One could always make soap – ala Tyler Durden… The richest soap in the land, made from the fat of the wealthy…


    The anti-whites elites at the UN believe in magic. Their mantra is that the world will be fine when there is “free movement of capital, goods, services, AND LABOR” in international trade.

    The problem is, of course, that this magic line is ALWAYS a racial thing.

    t doesn’t matter what economic or political theory a brown country says it believes in, a brown country will be a tyranny and it will live in poverty the minute there are not enough white countries and white people to pull it out.

    The Big Lie is that SKIN COLOR does not matter.

    Everybody, even racists, want to emphasize that they are not obsessed with SKIN COLOR.

    I want to emphasize that I AM obsessed with skin color. This is the ultimate undermining of everything they intimidate everybody, including scientific racists, with.

    Meanwhile, back on earth, where do the non-whites go?
    To white-SKINNED countries.
    Not to IQ countries.
    Not to Culturally Aware countries.
    Not to religiously correct countries.
    On the real planet earth, the illegals are ALWAYS swimming towards WHITE SKIN.

  63. The real reason for poverty in the USA has nothing to do with 1-parent households. In the 1990’s, Bill Clinton joined forces with the Republicans and together they decided to impose economic globalization on the American people. First with NAFTA, then with thousands of other bipartisan initiatives, including carte blanche for China, regardless of who happens to be in the White House.

    Wages tend to be sticky, meaning they rarely fall. So, wages in this country are meandering sideways while the 3rd world’s wages slowly catch up. You can see this lack of wage growth in some of your own charts from earlier articles.

    Your beloved Republicans are doing everything under the sun, short of impeaching supreme court chief justice Roberts (a republican appointee) to prevent these unwed mothers from getting abortions, helping to ensure that these women have many fatherless children, not just one.

    1. Jason Emery drops a big load of liberal shit on the site. Poverty has nothing to do with 1 parent households has got to be one of the dumbest fucking statements ever made by a sub-80 IQ moron on this site. You must be a pipefitter.

      I despise Republicans you idiot. The unwed mothers have gotten 55 million abortions over the last 40 years. Dumbasses like yourself actually blather about the poor not being able to stop themselves from getting pregnant. The fucking government run public schools hand out condoms for free.

      Too bad your mother didn’t use contraceptives. The gene pool wouldn’t have been polluted with your presence.

  64. I am thinking that TPTB have conditioned the niggas and the TPT (trailer park trash) to believe that that EBT will always be there for them………..while back at the star chamber, they work on a Malthusian plan to rip their food out from under them. They love that sort of thing, they have popcorn stockpiled and ready for the BIG SHOW.

  65. @ Gayle,

    There’s an old adage you’ve undoubtedly heard:

    “The best thing a man can do for his children is to love their mother.”

    My sons watched me treat their mother with love, deference and respect. The watched both their mother and me re-earn each others respect each day, and witnessed how all successful human relationships are built on mutual respect. They watched as neither of us dominated the other and our household ran well in partnership.

    They experienced a household where their mom and dad sought ways for the kids to earn OUR respect, and then experienced how great it feels to be in that place, being a respect-worthy person.

    We raised sons, but I think we’d have done just as well raising daughters. You are right, if there’s a degree of wisdom in the home (from both mom and dad) and the “why” is communicated to the kids as much as the “what,” reasonably intelligent kids turn out well.

    Girls should be no different.

  66. Voluntary sterilization for girls 12 to 14. Paid for by taxpayer. That with a 10,000 cash bonus to the girl being sterilized. That would be the most efficient use of welfare dollars ,ever.

  67. @ jason emery,
    The USA has to be the only place where people in “poverty” own cars, big screen TVs and live in houses as nice (or nicer) than mine oftentimes.

    There are two kinds of such “poor” people:
    1. Those who are sick, injured or are congenitally deficient in some important way (e.g., born blind.)
    2. Those whose BEHAVIOR leads to “poverty.”

    Historically, charity was aimed at the first, and the second group was deemed undeserving.
    When government (political systems) took over charity, it conflated the two because if you’re a bureaucrat whose profession is “handing out welfare,” more need = bigger budgets and more job security. Perverse incentives thus abound.

    Now we have more people in the cart than are pulling the cart. In our “democratic” republic, this means promising more handouts is an election winner.

    Add deficit spending and seemingly endless borrowing, the result is capital consumption (because freebies delivered today aren’t being paid for in the future with IOU’s, it is IMPOSSIBLE to consume that which has not yet been produced; all those bene’s are coming out of today’s SEED CORN.)

    This means that the over-promising of freebies to the parasite class is resulting in OCCULT poverty, a condition that will some day soon be revealed (just as the same folly is being revealed in Greece.)


    As for the poor? To quote Ayn Rand on the Phil Donahue Show: “Don’t be one of them.”


      ■Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, at the beginning of the War on Poverty, only about 12 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
      ■Nearly three-quarters have a car or truck; 31 percent have two or more cars or trucks.[9]
      ■Nearly two-thirds have cable or satellite television.
      ■Two-thirds have at least one DVD player, and a quarter have two or more.
      ■Half have a personal computer; one in seven has two or more computers.
      ■More than half of poor families with children have a video game system such as an Xbox or PlayStation.
      ■Forty-three percent have Internet access.
      ■Forty percent have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV.
      ■A quarter have a digital video recorder system such as a TIVO.
      ■Ninety-two percent of poor households have a microwave.

      ■Ninety-six percent of poor parents stated that their children were never hungry at any time during the year because they could not afford food.
      ■Some 83 percent of poor families reported that they had enough food to eat.
      ■Some 82 percent of poor adults reported that they were never hungry at any time in the prior year due to lack of money to buy food.
      ■As a group, America’s poor are far from being chronically undernourished. The average consumption of protein, vitamins, and minerals is virtually the same for poor and middle-class children and in most cases is well above recommended norms. Poor children actually consume more meat than do higher-income children and have average protein intakes 100 percent above recommended levels.[11]
      ■Most poor children today are, in fact, supernourished and grow up to be, on average, one inch taller and 10 pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy in World War II.[12]

      ■Over the course of a year, only 4 percent of poor persons become temporarily homeless. At a single point in time, one in 70 poor persons is homeless.[14]
      ■Only 9.5 percent of the poor live in mobile homes or trailers; 49.5 percent live in separate single-family houses or townhouses, and 40 percent live in apartments.
      ■Forty-two percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
      ■Only 7 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
      ■The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Sweden, France, Germany, or the United Kingdom. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)[15]
      ■The vast majority of the homes or apartments of the poor are in good repair and without significant defects.

  68. You conveniently forgot to address the issue of globalization. There are millions of college educated Americans working at poverty level jobs.

    Where did you go to school. You seem to be politically illiterate. The Dems and Repubs conspired to force globalization on us, meaning that we all compete with slave labor in China.

    1. Jason

      Story lines like yours are obliterated by facts on TBP. Your tens of millions crappola is bullshit. Did you even go to school?

  69. People should just come out with it. It needs to be told. The whole debt based paradigm of the fiat system is a precursor for bullion based, debt-free currency where the currency (weight) has fully scalable liquidity. (USD/oz) This scalable liquidity for bullion could never be realized without a real-time floating measure of value. That floating value is USD/oz..

    The end of Bretton Woods gave rise to the possibility of properly monetizing bullion on its ability to have a market driven basis of liquidity. Bullion’s liquidity is the product of (weight x trade value/unit weight) ——> (weight x USD/oz) . To increase liquidity, you can raise bullion’s trade value or the amount of weight available. The FIXED peg had to be abolished !

    Follow “the script”. There are necessary evils written into the script.

  70. therooster–Government should be given the privilege of hallmarking coinage, but not exclusively. It should be open to competition.

    The hallmarking should not be denominational, but should be by weight and purity, only. No dollars, no quarters or half-dollars, etc. Just weight and purity. 1OZ at .9999 fine.

    That would reduce government to honest governance. No coin clipping (inflation). The progressives would sure fight that.

  71. Homer …. I quite agree. Weight should the unit of account now that weight value can fluctuate in real-time. Weight could be actual or virtual (while fully backed) as we saw with the now defunct e-gold model.

  72. Jason, we could always compare degrees. I suggest we might also compare age/experience, too.

    Globalization was part of the “trust everyone all the time” of the debt-boom of the last 40 years.

    Without it, the bluejeans you wear would cost $120 a pair or more (probably much more, given the add-ons to the cost of labor in the USA now). That’s what nothing-special Levi’s cost, in inflation adjusted terms, when I was a kid.

    Globalization is both a cause and an effect of the debt disease that manifested beginning in the 1960’s, and while you can decry it all you want, without it we’d be redefining the meaning of poverty in the USA. Wally World may sell mostly Chinese made crap, but it’s the only thing keeping the lower classes from Oliver-Twist-Style destitution.

    The political system didn’t foist ONE DAMN THING on Americans. Americans BEGGED for it, pal. Pull your head out of the horse poop pile and read a 500 year old text by Etienne de la Boetie. “Discourses on Voluntary Servitude” highlight what is plain to see if you’re not blind: All political systems rest on popular consent, else they simply wouldn’t exist.

    Today’s widespread folly is part and parcel of the ancient truism: “Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”

  73. In 1971, the very desirable real-time genie was loosened from its bottle. Unfortunately, the evil debt genie was loosened from the same bottle at the same time. The irony is that the real-time genie holds the only key on how to get the debt genie back into the bottle and seal it up. Give thanks for the age of information.

    You cannot pour new wine into old wineskins. So true.

    1. Bud Wood

      The dumbass had pipefitter in his email address. I was busting his tiny balls. That’s how it rolls around here. Gotta problem with that? I’m not objective about anything. Assholes get their asses handed to them.

  74. Hey Jason Dumbass –

    Let’s compare degrees! You go first! Bet I win!

    I love that tired old chestnut that everything is the fault of globalization!

    Like the ghetto dwellers are able to compete with the Chinese! Bwahahahahaha! That is funny.

    The ghetto dwellers need to work, for sure and certain. No more free shit. But they are not going to be very successful in high-tech jobs, now are they?

    So I guess that leaves their little Mexican friend – Manuel Labor – as their alternative.

    Life is not fair. Compete or perish. I am fine with that system.

    But liberal fuckwits think that is not fair, that the lazy, the stupid, the inept should be able to parasite off the backs of the productive, because, well, it is not fair they do not get the good stuff just because they cannot earn it.

    Damn, fuckwits really need to wake the fuck up.

  75. cecilhenry says: On the real planet earth, the illegals are ALWAYS swimming towards WHITE SKIN.

    We’re not illegal until we cross the border into Gringolandia (formerly filled with illegal Native Americans that invited white people in because they wanted to be close to WHITE SKIN).

    Cease, you sound like a class A moran, do you know Billy?

  76. overthecliff says, “Voluntary sterilization for girls 12 to 14. Paid for by taxpayer:..” HEY! overthecliff, ever think of the alternative???

    Voluntary sterilization for boys 12 to 14. Paid for by taxpayer. I smell a sexist rat here.

  77. An imperialist country will bleed its colonies dry to fatten up its own citizens. When the rich have sold them everything they could buy and no more, then the rich will leave them high and dry like beached whales basking in the glory of their whiteness.

  78. @Admin – That chart shows a massive plunge near the end, its pretty painful.

    I’m lucky enough to be an “older” millenial, but things are still pretty much bullshit.

  79. TPC,
    I though t you might like to know number one son will graduate this spring with his degree in Chem E. and minors in math and chemistry. I just want to thank you for your early encouragement a few years ago.

  80. @Bostonbob – Congratulations to you both! Your son for completing a bitch of a degree, and yourself for raising an atypical millenial.

    Just one thing though….


  81. TPC,
    Thanks, he’s a great kid, much smarter than his dad fortunately. My daughters studying Biology and Chinese. I don’t know where they get it from, but I am very thankful.

  82. @Bostonbob – Joking aside, I’m kind of envious of him. I went to a school that didn’t offer a full ChemE degree, so that option wasn’t open to me.

    It sounds like you got good kids.

    PS: This is literally the first TBP thread I’ve read/commented on in months. I need to make more of a point to stop by, I hate going without the news for so long.

  83. TPC,
    I figured you were just busy with that beautiful wife. When I saw your moniker I wanted to make sure I sent you greetings. Fortunately both my kids go to UMass which has a huge offering of majors. My son actually went in as a Chinese major, but switched to Chem E which is notoriously hard at UMass and will graduate from the honors college. I will say he did bust his ass as well as being quite smart. Nice to see you around.

  84. @dc, I raised/am raising (22 years between) BOTH kids to work, devote to family, live a life of the Golden Rule and staying out of trouble.

    I have a very specific reason WHY I want my daughter to be able to take care of herself: becoming financially trapped in a marriage with a man that is abusive is the WORST thing that can happen. Then you are not only being harmed – physically or mentally – but you are, by all intents and purposes, especially if raised with a hatred of living off others largesse, in prison and firmly stuck.

    I was stuck for years in my first marriage. He held all the power and I had to both skill/train/educate myself while fighting his constant degradation and out and out attempted destruction of my jobs and schools, plus figuring out how not to die from Aids, or gonorrhea (allergic to penicillin, doctors didn’t have much hope for my survival if I got syphilis or gonorrhea) in gifts from his coke whores, or from trying to defend myself when he went off the rails and decided I looked like a sparring partner.

    While I had a mom & dad that “loved” me, thanks in large part to their Christian background, I didn’t have their help and support to fall back on. Contrary to popular mythology, two married parents don’t always mean great kids and supporting, loving, families. Amazing how messed up so many are and can’t see they came out of married households. Nope, only “single” (impossible, btw) parents have bad/screwed up kids.

    Meanwhile, most other mothers I know are telling their girls to get educated then settle down and marry, ship their kids off to daycare, and “have it all.”

    Which means killing themselves as it is nearly impossible to have a challenging career and be a great mom/wife. (NOT impossible, just really, really, hard, especially if you can’t afford full time help).

    Men should know that (it seems) the majority of girls raised in the past 30 years are being raised to be “independent” in thought, but act like a total dependent when it comes to everything else. I can’t tell you how many times I had a heart-to-heart with my son about the STRONG scent of baby-craving and future dependence coming off his dates. Twice, and I’m being literal, within two months of his ending the relationship, the ex was pregnant and living with some other guy.

    That won’t be my daughter, and my son didn’t get trapped either. He has been with his (wonderful) girl for over 6 years, my grandgift is 2.

    I also love the Phil Donahue (my mom worked with him at a newspaper in Adrian Michigan) and Ayn Rand reference.

    Here’s the problem, Ayn wasn’t taking into account the total and complete loss of property rights that has taken place since 1991. You may not be “poor” today, but the elite and government already have the absolute methods in place to change that for you, instantly, and without crime or even charges.

    You, and Llpoh, remind me of my hub and his small-manufacturing/biz owner brothers. None of them will admit the very real arbitrage that went on with the globalization (and btw, $120 for American made jeans that last as long as they did 25 years ago would be GREAT compared to the cheaply made shit with the same tags that cost $50-$60 anyway. So freaking what we would have less clothes, what a horror!).

    The WAGE issue is a herring. The REAL issue is while we threw open the doors, allowing the Chinese GOVERNMENT to run our industries out of business, we piled trillions of dollars of costs onto the remaining American businesses in regulations, fees and taxes.

    So WHAT about global wages. I can’t import my freaking bolts to China without paying taxes to the Chinese government. But China can provide GM with the SAME (spec’d) bolt, with NO import taxes, next to no quality expenses, NO oversight, NO OSHA, no EPA, no employee health insurance, hell, many times not even limits to their work days or requirements for paid time off.

    HOW can you “compete” with THAT? We can’t. And eventually, the remaining successful little guys, will be destroyed and their assets gifted to the same guys that gained from the destruction of all the rest.

    @TPC, glad to see you around! Miss your wit and youthful enthusiasm around here.

  85. For almost 15 years I toiled in the non-profit sector dealing with disabilities, hunger, mental health, and racism. For all the dollars, nothing solved, just perhaps a brief respite. The most interesting was the adult disabled community, who when surveyed about basic needs not being addressed, the number one response was sex.

    Non-profits are very self serving, and God-forbid their cause ever be solved.

  86. @TE – global “competition” has been one of the larger contributors to the current decline of the middle class.

    Llpoh will be quick to point out that such a thing is quick to happen, however my viewpoint is from a high skilled labor position, yet I am still suffering from severe wage deflation. Not only that, but I do more than a masters level chemist 15 years ago.

    A lot more.

    “Globalization” has GUTTED our ability to compete in any industry, want to start righting the ship? There’s your first step.

    PS: I missed being here. The past 6 months have been rough, my wife had to get another job, and I’m actively trying to land another one as well.

    Oh, and she started her own small business, and as soon as she starts her new job I’ll begin work on my own.

    Fuck the system man, people understand diversifying their retirement portfolio, but never bother to diversify their present as well. Being beholden to one sole company as your source of income is a big risk, and not one I’ll take one second longer than I absolutely have to.

  87. @TPC, when I look at government and academic and top 5% of the big corporations pay packages, and the real change between Clinton throwing open the doors and today, I am hard pressed to continue to believe our current McJobs and OverRegulationJackBoots is accidental in anyway.

    If I were the rich and connected, and I was gifted the ability to triple my standard of living while turning millions/billions into lives of want and desperation, the first way would be to pit the people in a productive war they can’t win.

    We will wipe ourselves out. Which is also why race, gender, age and sexuality is being ramped up and set at odds.

    Or, it is all just a mistake, accidents, unplanned. Just real lucky the middle is being gutted, their businesses and futures destroyed, and the government and 0.1% accidentally find themselves richer in proportion to the common citizen.

    Sorry to hear about your wife’s job, I wish her luck in her new endeavors, and you too. How many other companies near you have employees with your skill set and education? Good luck my friend!

  88. The real reason the American dream is unravelling is because Americans don’t trust their government and won’t follow its lead.
    Americans want to be independent, creative, entreprenurial, and successful on their own.
    That American attitude is anti-social, anti-American, and harms the State.
    Americans should accept their role in society. Americans shoud work for the State and its goals. Americans should be good followers. Trying to be independent and working for oneself and family is un-patriotic and un-American.
    Do what’s best for your country, accept your role in society, work for the State and its leaders.
    I do and I’ve been enornously successful. You should too and your role will be best for you.

  89. I wish everyone could read Murray Rothbard’s For A New Liberty as he exposes the fallacies in commonly and widely held opinions. Rothbard was a proponent of the non-aggression philosophy, although he doesn’t seem to explain how the seizure of land from the indigenous American Indians was justified; in fact he neglect to deal with this issue (well, I’m only up to p. 70, so maybe he will explain later.) Also, I highly recommend the following:

    No Treason No. 6, The Constitution of No Authority (
    The NoStateProject blog by Marc Stevens ( or
    Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
    The Inflation Crisis, and How to Resolve It by Hazlitt (
    The Law by Frederic Bastiat
    Or )
    That Which is Seen and That Which is not Seen (
    Stephen’s Guide to the Logical Fallacies (

  90. @TE – “@TPC, when I look at government and academic and top 5% of the big corporations pay packages, and the real change between Clinton throwing open the doors and today, I am hard pressed to continue to believe our current McJobs and OverRegulationJackBoots is accidental in anyway.”

    It galls me to look at how much government sector colleagues make. I hate it to the point I’m seriously considering trying to grab my own job there. The pay is just not comparable. My role in government is a 6 figure job.

    Private sector? Most want to pay me 60k. Luckily our CEO realizes thats not a good idea, though my boss is an ass about pay. Trying to get himself that big bonus by keeping his department costs down.

    As for my wife’s job, they fired her boss, then handed her his job responsibilities but none of the pay or more resources to make up for it. She did it for 6 months, then reached out to some friends and now is going to work for as a marketer for Berkshire-hathaway. Slight reduction in pay, great gains in freedom.

    The pay loss sucks, but I’ll be happy to have my wife back. Her current employer thinks salary means “on call 24/7”.

    We are both ramping up on the private side of things because our goal is to achieve financial independence by the time we are having kids….so a few years from now.

  91. TPC – you say “by the time we are having kids”. I gather that it will take you that long to figure out the process!

    Glad to see you TPC! We need smart young folks to post more often.

  92. Another dose of reality for you yanks from your own country people..

    Here’s a fucking hint – vote for someone who DOESN’T want to be your president.
    ie not some simpering, pathetic, self-serving, paid-off, wanking cunt scumbag like your Obama.
    Look where he GOT YOU ALL.
    Yeah, that’s right – the people WORTH electing DON’T run for office do they.
    So work out what’s coming in your future…

  93. Pissy, god to see you back around ,and as you well know , hard work and degrees don’t jack in the new We Are The World ( of slave labor) economy. On one hand the banks work feverishly to sell suckers high dollar advanced degrees, (i.e a lifetime of debt servitude) while using the back of that same hand to bitch slap those same debtors to the back of the bus by lobbying for one pro-slave labor bill after another ….we don’t have enough trained technicians they say..sheesh…just more evidence that We the People no longer have effective representation in government. American workers have become the proverbial red-haired stepchild when it comes to competing with foreign born competition for jobs.

    When formulating immigration policy , legislators only care to hear what their corporate campaign contributors want and that is cheap labor.

    Study Finds No Shortage of High-Tech Workers in U.S.

    Despite the clamor that there is a perpetual shortage of American high-tech workers, the number of foreign workers with STEM (science, technology, engineering, and math) degrees that the United States imports annually alone exceeds the number of available STEM jobs, making it tougher for Americans to move up the economic ladder by getting good-paying jobs in those professions.

    A Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) report released on Tuesday ahead of a panel on the subject at the National Press Club found that from 2007-2012, STEM employment averaged “averaged only 105,000 jobs annually” while the U.S. admitted about 129,000 immigrants with STEM degrees. That means “the number of new immigrants with STEM degrees admitted each year is by itself higher than the total growth in STEM employment.” During that time period, the number of U.S.-born STEM graduates grew by an average of 115,00 a year.

    Authors Steven Camarota, CIS’s director of research, and Karen Ziegler, a CIS demographer, wrote that these numbers are “truly extraordinary” and “it should not be surprising that most STEM graduates (immigrant or native) do not have STEM jobs.”

    The report, titled, Is There a STEM Worker Shortage? A look at employment and wages in science, technology, engineering, and math, is consistent with research from Georgetown University, the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), the Rand Corporation, the Urban Institute, and the National Research Council that have also found no evidence that America has a shortage of high-tech workers. And its findings concluded that America “has more than twice as many workers with STEM degrees as there are STEM jobs.” When combined with slight wage growth in the STEM fields for more than a decade, the authors concluded that “both employment and wage data indicate there is no shortage of STEM workers in the United States.”

    “When formulating policy, elected representatives need to consider the actual conditions in the U.S. labor market, rather than simply responding to pressure from employers in industries that wish to hire large numbers of foreign STEM graduates,” the authors suggest. “While employers may find this situation desirable, it is difficult to argue this is the interest of American people as a whole.”

  94. ‘Murica !

    #2 In more than half of all U.S. states, the highest paid public employee in the state is a football coach.

    #4 Almost half of all Americans (47 percent) do not put a single penny out of their paychecks into savings.

    #5 In 2014, police in the United States killed 1,100 people. During that same year, police in Canada killed 14 people, police in China killed 12 people and police in Germany didn’t kill anyone at all.

    #9 When LBJ’s “War on Poverty” began, less than 10 percent of all U.S. children were growing up in single parent households. Today, that number has skyrocketed to 33 percent.

    #10 In 1950, less than 5 percent of all babies in America were born to unmarried parents. Today, that number is over 40 percent.

    #25 There are more than 4 million adult websites on the Internet, and they get more traffic than Netflix, Amazon and Twitter combined.

    #29 The average American spends more than 10 hours a day using an electronic device.

  95. @flash – Unfortunately its completely true. I mean, STEM degrees are still better off than computer programmers and the like, but pay has been stagnant/falling since 2007.

    The other “sure-fire” job field was nursing/healthcare, but with the number of healthcare organizations dropping (Obamacare drove everyone into mega conglomerates) the number of nurses has actually leveled off, and they are seeing severe wage deflation as well.

    Things are going to get a helluva lot worse before they get any better.

  96. We all hear the incessant sophistry claiming that if not for Cheap Chinese Crap (CCC) , compliments of a post manufacturing America , then most of America would not be enjoying the fruits of foreign slave labor , which is to say American’s wouldn’t have access to affordable consumer goods, which is unadulterated bullshit.

    I find it strange that it’s only in the past three decades that American consumers found themselves unable to afford our own manufactured goods , which necessitated -according the international banksters – not only the off-shoring of American jobs , but a massive increase in credit/debt based money with which to finance the great off shoring and to put purchasing power back in the hands of the now underemployed/paid American worker. After all one can’t sell goods’ ,even Cheap Chinese Crap (ccc) to a nation of people with no jobs or poor paying jobs, hence the corporate push to make easy credit access able to all American, employed or not.

    So , in a nutshell , we had a criminal conspiracy masquerading as Federal money policy creating massive inflation that naturally led to increased wage demands which was interpreted by self-serving banksters and crony corporations as justifiable reason to abandon the suddenly too expensive to maintain American manufacturing labor force in lieu of the Asian slave labor markets.

    Off-shoring allowed the investment bankster houses(also highly leveraged , btw) to increase returns of an average 3% on a mature US manufacturing market to a staggering 30% ROI in the Asian slave labor markets , but at what cost to American employment and national sovereignty?

    I don’t know if anyone has put a figure to the monetary amount the US government in collusion with global banking interests have cost American towns, cities and States in loss tax revenue and other costs associated with people lacking meaningful employment e.g. crime , poverty ,disease , drug addiction and suicide , but if any were available I’m sure the figures would be would be staggeringly disgusting .

    So , what I’m trying to say here is , the American worker became unaffordable mostly due to a Federal money policy that most blue collar workers never knew existed. And if the purposeful destruction of the American economy thus the welfare of all US citizenry is not high treason, then nothing ever can be.




  97. I’m debt free.
    Other than home mortgages, so are my sons (for all practical purposes.)
    It can be done.

    As to STEM fields, my three sons: Comp Sci, Mech Eng, Comp Sci. Both computer grads work for the same Big Corporation, middle son works for BIG Corporation. All do fairly well.

    Youngest son explained something to me: He said,”We off-shore pretty much all the programming. My job is to know what information we have, and in what form it sits, and when our business people want to undertake a new project or offer a new product, I know what can and can’t be done, and largely how to accomplish it. Then we turn the programming over to code monkeys overseas.”

    Oldest son explained to me why the curriculum at universities is a waste of time. He said, “They’re teaching people how to code, line by line, and write programs from the ground up. No one does that any more. There are entire libraries of open-source code available, and when you have a project, you simply go out and find pre-existing code someone else has written, and you incorporate it into your project. The old way of teaching programming is largely irrelevant to how projects are done now.”

    We sail into an uncertain and tempest-filled future. One thing I know: Far too many people think STEM fields or Medical Fields are sinecures. The truth is that nothing is guaranteed.

    This is why only crazy people go to college without a very firm plan on how the vast investment is likely to pay off. I figure that maybe 1 out of 100 college students have done that math.

  98. Good for you dc.sunsets …. so am I , but that can’t be done by all, even in terms of technical possibility on the basis of the current debt based system. Too much debt … more debt that there is liquidity , which is exactly why the only way to purge the existing debt is to add assets into actual circulation.

    Bullion is currency. Just add assets and stir.

  99. Sorry, DC, I generally agree with most you post , but you, ike US all, are in no way free from government obligation i.e. You pay the obligatory tax to work, live, travel and communicate just like every other debt slave cultivated by the State.

    I’m happy for you and yours to be able to find gainful employment in this crony controlled economy , but that’s your situation and is in no way indicative of the general situation amongst those of employable age.


    something that is owed or that one is bound to pay to or perform for another:

    a liability or obligation to pay or render something:

    the condition of being under such an obligation:

  100. “Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away.

    You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives.

    All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you.

    Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves?

    You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows — to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

    From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

    Étienne de La Boétie

  101. Flash, agreed. We are all debt slaves. Once we gave the power to tax (especially income) we handed the keys of our freedom over to the Great Grand Government of the USA. Income taxes & property taxes have made us all debt slaves. the only moral tax (if there is such a thing) is a consumption tax or a tariff on imports. Other than that ALL taxes are immoral and so is fiat money. We can say we have been born into it, but then it is up to us to change it.

    Without income taxes there would be no industrial-military complex. The 2nd amendment is there to protect the USA. A well trained local militia will keep all things in check. There is NO NEED for a standing army or militarized police force. If there was no standing army we could not so easily go to war in foreign lands,.If we simply had a well armed citizenry NO ONE would dare attack us, from within or without..

    And then property taxes. A man cannot even own land outright. The Gov’t lays claim to own it and tell you what you can and cannot do with it. If you don’t pay your property taxes you will not “own” your land for very long………

    Nixon was the WORST president EVER and not for Watergate. he opened the flood-gates to all kinds of shenanigans. From fake money to the EPA…………..

  102. @flash, I’m not arguing with you, I’m just saying that we can and should attempt to follow the path that reduces as much as possible the chains we otherwise must wear.

    You quoted Boetie so you know. There is no avoiding the world to which our foolish, covetous neighbors consent. All we can do is lean as far as possible to a direction that minimizes (but cannot eliminate) the baleful influence of their folly on our lives.

  103. @TPC, good luck with the public sector man.

    My first accounting professor, an owner of a small CPA firm (I had a great education from guys that actually did the job, not just taught theory), told me to take my ass and get a government job. His quote, “you will put in 20/25 years and retire a young women with a guaranteed salary for nothing. Then you could take another pension job, or do your own thing.”

    I was young and idealistic and convinced that I could make much more money on the private side of life. For a few years, I was right, and also worked a few union-connected gigs that made me realize I am not the person for that life. I have a justice thing, and rewarding the corrupt, lazy and dangerous makes me insane.

    That all changed in 2000. Best laid plans and all that crap. I wish I could convince myself to just ignore the insanity and take the perks.

    Funny thing is that I find my marriage the exact same situation. I’ve tried to convince myself to just accept and be happy, instead I feel dead inside.

    And that is no way to live, so I’ll avoid public service. Not being sarcastic because I know what a good gig that is, I hope you are the sort that can live with it. If so, you will thrive, good luck, my friend.

  104. TE–The reason that you feel dead inside is a spiritual thing. Your thirsting, you have lost the meaning of
    life and therefore your direction. It’s at Amazon, and cheap, too.

  105. Constman54—You’re wrong the worst president was Abe Lincoln. Followed by a slew of other notables.

    Bush II & I
    Woodrow Wilson

    It’s a fact s**t floats to the top of the toilet.

  106. WOW!!! A message from God. How lucky you are TE. Don’t give up hope. Hope is the acknowledgement of things unseen.

  107. Homer, while I appreciate your caring, I have to tell you, I am not dead inside because of spirituality, or a lack of, either.

    God and I are just fine. Thanks for asking.

    I’m dead inside because I can see, and read, the writing on the gd wall, but my “better half” spends all his time washing off the message and believing the liars.

    Thank you though, and I’ll check out the book. What a constant reader needs is one more book to add to the pile that I probably will not have the physical moments left to read. But I’ll give it one helluva try.

    ps- Thanks God. Nice to get a definite message for a change.

  108. TE–If you want to change your “better half’, change yourself first. A good place to start is ‘read the book’.

    I have seen miracles with many in more dire straits than you. Some with the same complaint. Can’t hurt to try.

  109. Thank you Homer, and I have been “trying,” going on ten years now.

    Ok, I lie, trying changed to surviving about five years ago.

    I am reading the good book and do believe in miracles.

    I also believe that if I smack my head into a wall and it hurts, I should quit smacking it, not read a book about some other guy not feeling pain.

  110. TE–Off the subject. I kinda think that your relationship with you husband is karmic in nature. That is not uncommon in marital relationships. Difficult relationship issues need be met with patience and loving understanding. This doesn’t mean that you have to denigrate your feelings. You should prepare as best as you can with what you have as to what you know. Not to be argumentative or critical, but as a helpmate.

    TE patience is the operative word here. A lot of what transpired in the book happened during the ‘Great Depression’. People called it ‘hard times’, it was called ‘hard times’ for a reason. If you read the book and don’t find helpful value in it, I’ll buy you a 15 cents soda at the drugstore soda fountain.

  111. Homer says: TE–If you want to change your “better half’, change yourself first. A good place to start is ‘read the book’.

    Sage advice, Homer. TE is a lost cause. You would do better to smack your head on the wall til it hurts. All we can do is love her for the wonderful person she is and curse the darkness that envelops her mind/spirit.

  112. EL Coyote—Nice! Jimmy Durante was one of my all time favorites. I use to lay at the foot of the radio (there wasn’t tv back then, to speak of) and listen attentively. Jimmy Durante made people laugh even though he has a big handycap. He just laughed with them.

    Jack Benny–We’re going to have a special guest tonight on the show, Jimmy Durante.

    Rochester–Mr. Benny, Jimmy Durante will be her in 2 minutes.

    Jack Benny–Well, how do you know?

    Rochester– His nose just showed up.

  113. @TE – I’ve been looking into Pub sector, unfortunately the ones that I meet the the qualifications for require moving to Colorado or the like. Good jobs, but pay is the same as I get now, and in more expensive areas.

    I’m at the unfortunate age where I have too much experience to get entry level positions, but not enough managerial experience to walk into middle management.

    Maybe I should just do my own thing…..


    J/k, for the love of god don’t report me. I DIDN’T MEAN IT NSA!


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