American F-35 vs Russian SU-30. Who wins?

I want to introduce you to a website I just found a few days ago that deals with Russian-American politics.  I’ve thoroughly perused the site, and I greatly enjoyed it. Lots of unique stuff.  The video section is great. I think you’ll like it also.  You’ll probably add it to your favorites folder. Here is the main page;

http://russia-insider.com

Amerikan war-whores keep on declaring a defacto  war on Russia. First with sanctions, which truly are an act of war, and yesterday the House Of Prostitutes voted overwhelmingly to arm Nazi Ukies with lethal offensive weaponry … despite their prohibition in the Minsk agreements.  Amerika does what it wants, when it wants, to whom it wants … fuck you very much.

We’re poking a bear with ten thousand nukes. But, forget about that for now.  What about their conventional capabilities?

To read virtually any MSM press, you would be led to believe that while somewhat formidable, the Russian military is comprised mostly of old rusty junk which can’t possibly match Amerikan modern technology especially in radars and electronics, troop morale is bad (it’s always bad, they say), and a rather inept leadership.

Amerikan military sites are even worse.  You would be led to believe that the Russkies never recovered from their own Afgan debacle almost four decades ago, and that they are at best, a second-rate wannabe military  power.  If we ever entered into a real war with them … we would kick their sorry asses back to the Stone Age. It would be quick, surgical, … and only last a few months. USA!USA!USA! Hooah!!

This is all a massive load of BULLSHIT.

There are dozens of militaristic capabilities one can compare. The Russian Navy is being thoroughly modernized. New nuke subs are being built. No one will admit it, but the Russians have missiles and torpedo technology to take out an Amerikan aircraft carrier rather speedily.  Russian anti-aircraft batteries are equal to, or likely superior to, anything in the Amerikan arsenal.

But, let’s keep it simple. This copy and pasted article from Russian Insider will focus only one particular piece of hardware. An airplane. Their best vs. our best.

Please do spare me the obvious comment that this website is probably biased.  Duh!!  But, on the other hand,  there are countless Amerikan websites which proclaim the F-35 to be one of the biggest duds in military history.  But, the whores in Congress will continue to move forward on this trillion dollar shitpile.

A war with Russia either in Europe, or on Russian soil, will result in a modern day Trail Of Tears …. only a thousand times worse. Amerikan blood will flow in the Volga for the next hundred years.

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The Latest Russian Fighter Jet Blows America’s Away

This article is an excellent read to understand how Russia’s technological level is best in its class in many military sectors, especially with regard to fighter jets.  It originally appeared in Russia & India Report. The SU-30 continues to be the number one choice among global buyers.

Russian Sukhoi Su-30 Fighter Jet

 

Built to be the deadliest hunter killer aircraft of all time, the F-35 has quite literally become the hunted. In every scenario that the F-35 has been wargamed against Su-30 Flankers, the Russian aircraft have emerged winners. America’s newest stealth aircraft – costing $191 million per unit – is riddled with such critical design flaws that it’s likely to get blown away in a shootout with the super-maneuverable Sukhois.

Stubby wings (that reduce lift and maneuverability), a bulbous fuselage (that makes it less aerodynamic) low speed and a super hot engine (which a half decent radar can identify) are just a few of the major flaws that will expose its vulnerability during air combat.

With more than 600 Flankers (Sukhoi-27s and its later iterations such as the Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35 Super Flanker) flying with air forces around the world, the fate of the fifth generation F-35 seems decidedly uncertain. Aerospace experts across the world are veering around to the view that America’s most expensive fighter development program (pegged at $1.5 trillion) will be a sitting duck for the flankers.

“It’s a turkey,” declares aerospace engineer Pierre Sprey in an interview to Dutch television. Few people are as qualified to speak about fighter aircraft as Sprey. He is the co-designer of the F-16 Falcon jet and the A-10 Warthog tank buster, two of the most successful aircraft in the US Air Force (USAF).

Winslow T. Wheeler, Director of the US’ Straus Military Reform Project, Centre for Defense information, agrees. “The F-35 is too heavy and sluggish to be successful as a fighter,” he says. “If we ever face an enemy with a serious air force we will be in deep trouble.”

So far the US has been lucky it has never really encountered a “serious” military. Over the skies of war-weary Iraq, tiny Libya and utterly defenseless Afghanistan, the American aircraft operated with impunity. But luck can run out – if they ever come up against the air forces of Russia, China or India the outcome won’t be so one-sided. In particular, the Indian Air Force has beaten the USAF’s fourth generation fighters using both third and fourth generation jets.

The biggest problem with the F-35 is that its US designers are betting on stealth and long range radar to compensate for its lack of speed and maneuverability. But stealth is not really all that it is cracked up to be; it is not the cloak of invisibility.

Plus, Russia’s already excellent radars are getting better. Says Defense Industry Daily (DID):

“Meanwhile, key radar advances are already deployed in the most advanced Russian surface-to-air missile systems, and existing IRST (infra-red scan and track) systems deployed on advanced Russian and European fighters are extending enemy detection ranges against radar-stealthy aircraft. Fighter radar pick-up capability of up to (46km) by 2020 is proposed against even ultra-stealthy aircraft like the F-22, coupled with IRST ability to identify Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile firings and less infrared-stealthy aircraft at (92km) or more.”

At the same time, there is no such thing as one radar in a war. “There are lots of radars,” Sprey explains. “And you can’t be nose-on or dead-level to every radar in the theater. There are always going to be radars that are going to be shining up (from below) or looking from above – they can all see you.”

Short on firepower

Another issue is with the American aircraft’s overall shape. “Most great airplanes are beautiful because you are trying to reduce drag,” Sprey says. “But here because of stealth they had to make it very bulbous, very big as they had to carry the weapons inside because as soon as you carry the weapons outside they reflect radar. So this is a huge penalty to the performance of the aircraft which is now big and lumbering like a bomber.”

Lower internal payload means the designers at Lockheed-Martin have signed the F-35’s death warrant. The aircraft carries just two large bombs and four small ones, and a maximum of four beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missiles (AAMs).

The USAF claims the F-35’s advanced radar will see the enemy aircraft first and be able to take it out with one of its four long-range AAMs. But BVR kills are still the stuff of dreams for fighter pilots and are quite rare.

In fact, the reliance on the radar acquisition and AAMS can prove suicidal – as indeed it was once upon a time. During the Vietnam War the USAF was so smitten with the concept of BVR combat that the first F-4 fighters were armed only with missiles. But after the Vietnamese Air Force pilots shot them down by the bucket load, the Americans reintroduced cannons in the F-4.

In fact, Russia, which has the most advanced and varied range of BVR missiles in the world, arms its Flankers with at least eight missiles for the simple reason that it takes several shots at a fast moving target to score a kill.

That the Americans ignored this basic lesson of air combat is mind boggling.

In theory, American pilots would play ‘video games’ and take out enemy aircraft at 1000 km. In practice, air combat is like a knife fight. According to DID, the F-35 is very likely to wind up facing many more “up close and personal” opponents than its proponents suggest, while dealing with effective BVR infrared-guided missiles as an added complication. Unlike the F-22, the F-35 is described as “double inferior” to modern Su-30 family fighters within visual range combat.”

The much larger and varied inventory of missiles combined with super-maneuverability, therefore, bestows the Flankers with an edge that’s unparalleled in modern air combat.

Fleet availability

According to the new philosophy of air combat that is being defined by USAF-Lockheed-Martin careerists, the one-size-fits-all F-35 will replace all other fighters as well as ground support aircraft.

But here’s the rub. Because the F-35 is such an expensive aircraft, air forces will buy fewer units. For instance, Japan currently has 100 F-15s but it will replace them with just 70 F-35s. Again, because the F-35 will also be expensive to fly and maintain, air forces will limit pilot flying hours. (Already, spending cuts have forced the USAF to eliminate more than 44,000 flying hours and ground 17 combat air squadrons).

Besides, ‘stealth’ comes with a price. On the F-35 most of the maintenance is on the stealth coating. “It is a ludicrous impediment to combat,” Sprey says. “You are sitting on the ground for 50 hours fiddling on the aircraft trying to make it stealthy when it’s not stealthy anyhow.”

Plus, 100 per cent fleet availability is a logistical impossibility. The USAF averages around 75 per cent – which is pretty decent – but when it comes to stealth aircraft the figures nosedive. The USAF’s super-secret B2A stealth bomber has an availability rate of just 46.7 per cent. And America’s most expensive fighter, the F-22, despite its $350 million price tag has a fleet availability rate of only 69 per cent.

So if you are, say, the Australian air force, just 48 of your planned fleet of 70 F-35s will be battle ready at any given time. Your chances against the Chinese who have 400 Flankers are smaller than small. You can bet the Aussies won’t be joining the knife fight unless escorted by big brother USA.

Wheeler, who has dealt with US national security issues for over three decades, lays out the implications for western air forces planning to induct the F-35:

“The pilots will get worse as they’ll get much less training, which is most important than any technical issue. There’ll be far fewer pilots as the whole force will have to shrink, and you will basically have a showpiece aircraft that can’t do anything. It’s useless, it’s truly monumentally useless, it will ruin any air force that uses it.”

The dogfight hasn’t yet started and the Flankers are up 1-0.

http://russia-insider.com/en/military/2014/11/04/02-05-14pm/latest_russian_fighter_jet_blows_americas_away

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Oh … the damn Russkies have a pretty fast nuke bomber too.  Maybe the score is 2-0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S5LUNfDdWFI

Author: Stucky

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robert h siddell jr
robert h siddell jr

Further proof that the country has been destroyed by the Leftist dictate to appoint chiefs and make new hires and promotions based on Political Ideology rather than ability (Affirmative Action Diversity vs Civil Service Exams). “All the tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.” Is 28:8 Current chiefs cannot pick good weapon systems; the State Dept constantly makes world enemies, the POTUS invariably shows himself to be a world class ass clown.

bb

Stucky ,that site is bias.I know you said not to remind you but I think it is my duty remind you of your own bias in pickings sites that are bias.Got that?How do you know you are not being lied to.?

underfire
underfire

At this point I’m all in in hoping that Germany and/or the Europeans stop the madman that the US has become before we ignite that final fatal confrontation.

underfire
underfire

Much has been made about military spending by nation, with the US dwarfing everyone else in dollars spent, but I’d like to know more about actual results of that spending. Because as we all know, most Americans won’t get out of bed for less than $500/day, and than productivity better not get in the way of breaks, lunch time, union meeting time, computer porn time, etc. etc.

underfire
underfire

Speaking of Germany, I bet those people still have a keen memory of the beat down Russia put on them a few years ago. I’d like to hear what’s going on behind closed doors there when the conversation turns to whether on not to continue to blindly follow DC.

Olga
Olga

Re: Germany leaving NATO

My first thought when I heard about the German plane crash was that it was a message for Germany not to leave NATO.

ragman
ragman

Who gives a shit! The last real fighter pilots were the guys in Vietnam. F4, Century Series, A4, A6, &TC. Real dogfights and SAMs. MIG Alley, River Rats, Sandys and Spads, that kinda shit! Don’t get me wrong, I’d give my left nut to fly an F16. That is, if I could fit my fat ass in the cockpit. But it’s just not the same. Just like flying the Airbus fly-by-wire A320 vs the B707 I flew in USAF. Simply not the same!

TPC
TPC

Post-soviet collapse our weapons have been designed to fight goat herders and line the pockets of war profiteers.

The US will be the aggressor in the next major conflict, but only the victor will be able to decide if it is remembered that way.

geo3
geo3

So glad I invested in the ACME home force-field system. Thanks much to my salesperson Wylie.

Kill Bill
Kill Bill

Yanno, it was years before the American public knew about the SR 71. What do both countries have that we do not know about?

Kill Bill
Kill Bill

Reading DARPA and other sites shit is going hypersonic.

Simon Jester
Simon Jester

An often forgotten point is that the weapons used by the US military are designed primarily to enrich defense contractors and ensure the continued flow of dollars to political campaigns. That they are able to deliver some almighty beat-downs to indigents praying to Allah inside mud-brick dwellings halfway around the globe is of secondary importance. American reliance on technology and throwing money at problems in an attempt to try and effect a solution, will ultimately be our undoing. No less a general than Patton once said “Wars might be fought with weapons, but they are won by men. It is the spirit of the men who leads that gains the victory.” Undoubtedly there are plenty of brave and good men in the American military; I was once a part of it and I have a lot of respect for some of those who led me and worked beside me. But when the chips are down, I would put my money on the Russians any day; having spent quite a lot of time in the post-Soviet Union I know for a fact that they are tougher, more patient, and more stoic than almost any American I know. Their political leadership is far more determined, ruthless, and tougher than any group of Western politicians. Russians are highly educated people and superior to Americans on every subject that matters. I suppose we have them beat in queer theory studies and womyn’s studies, so they still have a long way to go…

That we spend a fortune on an aircraft which relies on flawless maintenance, vulnerable supply chains, and opponents without modern air forces or air defenses, is a symptom of a far greater problem; our collective weakness and risk aversion to the point of irrelevance. Our political leadership has not the stomach for total war and their constituents have not the stomach or patience or determination to prosecute a war on the scale required to take on another 1st rate military power. Instead we will do the cowardly rat-bastard thing and fund others who do have the balls and determination to fight to do our fighting for us; and this will work until the gloves come off from our opponents. The Russians will not nuke a city in retaliation for America supplying weapons to the civil war in Ukraine, they will just digitally nuke the NYSE and the records of every American bank, dump their Treasury notes, hack into the electrical grid and shut it down, and cut off oil to Europe and anyone else who dares to interfere.

That might be the real goal; to precipitate overt Russian action that will bring down the system and provide a scapegoat and cover for all the disasters about to befall this country, as well as give the cover and excuse for martial law when one or several American cities “supposedly” are nuked by “Russian” terrorists…

overthecliff

NATO is a diversion to make the sheep in the FUSA think the Europeans are going to help us in a war. Germany,France,Belgium Norway. hahahahahahaha Does anyone think the Russians are afraid of those assholes. They can barely mount a military operation in the Ivory Coast. Their military establishments are like most in the third world designed for internal security(designed to shoot civilians if they get out of line).The Russians and Chinese are a different story.

overthecliff

NATO is a lip service coalition of the threatened willing.

starfcker
starfcker

Hogwash. Any of the flanker variants are 30 year old 4th gen planes, equivalent to our hornets and strike eagles. For apples to apples, the russian t-50 is their 5th gen stealth fighter, and at this stage, is as imperfect as the f35

flash
flash

Oh well, while US planes may not be up to the world class standards , at least we can depend on the DEA to live up to the amazingly high standards of world class drug warriors.

No we know why SSS really,really,really,really, loved working with the DEA.

Report: DEA Agents Allegedly Hosted Cartel-Funded ‘Sex Parties’ With Prostitutes

WASHINGTON — Drug Enforcement Administration agents stationed abroad attended “sex parties” that were allegedly funded with money from drug cartels, according to a Justice Department report released Thursday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/26/dea-sex-parties_n_6947132.html

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Goldie
Goldie

Stuck, the T-50 is the Russian plane of choice. the Su-30 is an old story.

starfcker
starfcker

You make a decent point, stucky, that plane is miles better than the su27 it started as. But so is our 4th gen stuff. But where we really agree is the bloat and absolute profiteering that has gone on with the f35. Bongo killed the f22, an overly expensive but far superior fighter, we could have just bought more of them and saved a ton of money, were that the goal.

starfcker
starfcker

Stucky, your post was a day too early. The russians just canceled the t-50 stealth fighter.

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