Looks like I was right again. Now the cover-up will begin. The U.S. corporate media is not reporting the fact that anti-depression drugs are the cause of this crash. The drug companies know their drugs result in mass murder, suicide, and ruining people’s lives, but they are the major advertisers on the mainstream media and the media whores will cover-up these facts to keep profits flowing. The drug companies are also huge contributors to politicians, who will never ask the tough questions about these drugs.
Will they report the drugs this guy was on? We know the U.S. media will not. Maybe the German media has more credibility and will report the truth. But, I doubt it.
Germanwings crash: Co-pilot ‘treated for depression’
The man suspected of deliberately crashing a Germanwings A320 plane in the French Alps required treatment for depression, German media say.
Regular assessments were recommended in Andreas Lubitz’s official notes after a serious episode some years ago.
The Barcelona-Duesseldorf plane crashed on Tuesday, killing 150 people.
Data from the plane’s voice recorder suggest Mr Lubitz purposely started a descent as the pilot was locked out of the cockpit.
Several airlines have now pledged to change their rules to ensure at least two crew members are present in the cockpit at all times.
Police have searched two German properties used by Mr Lubitz, taking away boxes and a computer.
‘Heavily depressive’
When Mr Lubitz finished training in 2009, he was diagnosed with a serious depressive episode and went on to receive treatment for a year and a half, the German news site Bild reports.
Internal documents quoted by Bild and German broadcaster ARD say a note on Mr Lubitz’s aviation authority file recommended regular psychological assessment.
Mr Lubitz’s employers have confirmed that his training was interrupted for several months six years ago.
But they have not said why. Carsten Spohr – the head of Lufthansa, the German carrier that owns Germanwings – said on Thursday that Mr Lubitz was only able to resume training after his suitability was “re-established”.
“He passed all the subsequent tests and checks with flying colours,” Mr Spohr was quoted as saying.
German media are also reporting that investigators have found evidence of mental health problems at Mr Lubitz’s Duesseldorf flat.
Earlier, another media report quoted a police spokesman as saying “a very significant clue as to what has happened” had been found during the search of the house the 27-year-old shared with his parents in Montabaur, north of Frankfurt, without specifying what.
Police said the discovery was not a suicide note.
French Prime Minister Manual Valls said the investigation was ongoing, but that “everything is pointing to a criminal, crazy, suicidal action that we cannot comprehend”.
He said investigators and Lufthansa would have to “shed light on the career and profile of this pilot”.
Police continued to come and go at the Montabaur house throughout Thursday morning, reports the BBC’s Anna Holligan who is outside.
She says there are concerns for Mr Lubitz’s parents, who have suffered not just one trauma – their son dying in a crash – but the subsequent shock of finding out he may have been responsible for the tragedy.
Flight club
Members of the Westerwald flight club, where the co-pilot was a member, expressed their shock at the revelations about Mr Lubitz’s mental history.
“Andreas was a very nice young man, who did his training here. He was part of the club,” Peter Reucker said.
“[He was] funny, sometimes a bit quiet, but apart from that a young man like many others that we have here. He integrated well.
“I’m absolutely speechless. I have no explanation for this,” Mr Reucker added.
Lubitz left Montabaur at the age of 20 in 2007 to begin his commercial pilot’s training in the northern German city of Bremen.
It was a year into his training that he appears to have suffered the breakdown and took a break, before returning to qualify.
A mother of a schoolmate told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that he had told her daughter he had taken a break from his pilot training because he was suffering from depression.
“Apparently he had a burnout, he was in depression,” the woman, whom the paper did not name.
She said her daughter had seen him again just before Christmas and that he had appeared normal. She added he was a “lovely boy”. “He had a good family background,” she told the paper.
Germanwings co-pilot had sick note for day of crash: prosecutors
By Karen Friar
Published: Mar 27, 2015 8:18 a.m. ET
LONDON (MarketWatch) — Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had a doctor’s note excusing him from work on the day he crashed a plane in the French Alps, but tore it up, AP reported Friday, citing prosecutors. Lubitz is believed to have deliberately flown the Airbus A320 into a mountainside, killing all 150 people on board the flight from Barcelona to Duesseldorf on Tuesday. The 27-year-old German national appears to have hidden his illness from Germanwings, prosecutors said. The sick note and other medical documents were found in a search of Lubitz’s two homes in Germany, and come after a German air authority spokesman said the co-pilot had a medical condition noted in his records when he was screened in July. The authorities have not revealed any details on the medical condition referred to in the doctor’s note or the pilot’s records.
“Serious Depressive Episode” May Have Driven Germanwings Pilot To “Criminal, Mad, Suicidal” Action, Prosecutors Allege
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/27/2015 08:49 -0400
Andreas Lubitz, the 28-year-old co-pilot who murder-suicided a plane full of 150 people into the Alps, had been judged to have suffered a “serious depressive episode” around the time he suspended his training in 2009, according to internal documents cited by Germany’s Bild. As Reuters reports, Lubitz had broken off his training in 2009 and reportedly spent a year in psychiatric treatment but as the Lufthansa CEO noted, “After he was cleared again, he resumed training. He passed all the subsequent tests and checks with flying colors. His flying abilities were flawless.” French Prime Minister Manuel Valls urged patience during the investigation but stated, “everything points to a criminal, mad, suicidal action that we cannot comprehend.”
As The Wall Street Journal reports, the Germanwings co-pilot who appeared to intentionally crash an airliner into a French mountainside this week, killing himself and 149 passengers and crew, received a note from a doctor excusing him from work but apparently tore it up, a German prosecutor said Friday.
The prosecutor said evidence collected in a search of Andreas Lubitz’ Düsseldorf apartment on Thursday afternoon did not include a suicide note and gave no indication of a political or religious motive for his apparent decision to crash the plane.
“However documents were confiscated that contained medical information indicating an existing medical treatment,” the Düsseldorf prosecutor said in a statement.
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“Doctor’s notes that were found that were current and for the day of the incident support the assumption, based on a preliminary evaluation, that the deceased concealed his illness from his employer and work environment,” the prosecutor said in the statement.
Earlier, Germany’s Federal Aviation Office said that Mr. Lubitz had a medical condition noted in his pilot’s medical certificate, but the spokesman couldn’t say whether the record was related to his mental or physical health because the information was confidential.
And as Reuters adds, Lubitz broke off his training six years ago due to depression and spent over a year in psychiatric treatment, a German newspaper reported on Friday.
Lufthansa Chief Executive Carsten Spohr acknowledged at a news conference on Thursday that Lubitz had broken off his training in 2009 but did not explain why. He said there was nothing in the pilot’s background to suggest he was a risk.
“After he was cleared again, he resumed training. He passed all the subsequent tests and checks with flying colors. His flying abilities were flawless,” Spohr said.
But Bild, citing internal documents forwarded by Lufthansa’s Aeromedical Center to German authorities, reported that Lubitz had suffered from depression and anxiety, and had been judged to have suffered a “serious depressive episode” around the time he suspended his training.
Lufthansa and German prosecutors declined to comment on the report, which is likely to raise questions about the airline’s screening procedures for its pilots and, if confirmed, could expose it to substantial liabilities in the crash.
Friends are stunned….
“He was a quiet person…not someone who tried to be the center of attention,” the club’s Mr. Rücker said.
Jörg Kämpflein—a flight club board member who has been with the club since 1993—said he was “surprised, astonished” by the allegations surrounding Mr. Lubitz. These, he said, “in no way” fitted his personality. Klaus Radke, president of the club, said Mr. Lubitz had renewed his pilot’s license to fly alone when he last visited.
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Because nothing fixes despression and anxiety like smashing a plane into a mountain at 500mph.
My wife has worked in this field for many years.
The media refuses to publish the drugs that the school shooters / work place violence have taken.
Idiots on Faux News said Airbus could be sued because the didn’t make the A320 “crashproof”. The Ground Proximity Warning System generates visual and aural warnings but the pilot must take action to avoid hitting the hill.
A severely depressed Islam covert in the middle of a relationship busting love spat with his fiance’ ?
Yep, that’s who I want piloting my plane.
Depression or Sudden Jihad Syndrome?
Contradictory claims are being made about the murderous Germanwings pilot. The more explosive one is that the “significant item” that was found at his apartment was indicative of a conversion to Islam:
http://www.voxday.blogspot.com/2015/03/depression-or-sudden-jihad-syndrome.html
Suicides are up.
And so are anti-depressant/ anti-anxiety prescriptions.
Our solution, thus far, is MORE pills!
Yep if debt is a problem, more debt is the answer.
If trillions of dollars didn’t stop/fix it, trillions and trillions more will.
If you are sad, prescribing a drug that depletes your body of nutrients (as most pharms do), interrupts your sleep cycles and makes your mind stoned is obviously the BEST choice to fix it.
He probably did it because he didn’t have enough drugs. There are now pills to add to the pills that aren’t working.
Our Western medical paradigm is killing us. Slowly, for many, and really, really quick for a growing number of people.
SIFUABS
Mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain.
That’s what the drug companies tell us. It is the very basis and reason for their existence.
AND IT IS A FUCKING GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING LIE !!
AND IT IS A FUCKING GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING LIE !!
AND IT IS A FUCKING GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING LIE !!
There is NOT ONE (!!!!!!!) single motherfucking test anywhere on this planet ever that can analyze any aspect of the human body (blood samples, urine samples, tissue biopsies, etc) and then conclude “this person has a mental illness”. NONE!! Got it?? It does not exist!
So, when these shitfuk “doctors” prescribe a pill …. what are they “fixing”? NOTHING!! OK, what are they addressing? I’ll tell you …….. SYMPTOMS. And you can never, ever, ever be healed by treating symptoms. In real medicine it is called quackery.
Here’s something else you must know, absolute fact; —- the researchers and companies who make these drugs HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY WORK!! This is an absolute fact. It is all guesswork. That is why long term “patients” on these drugs ALWAYS wind up taking a cocktail of all or most of them. “Oh, TRY this and SEE WHAT HAPPENS! Oh that didn’t work? Try this one. Hey, my drug rep told me about this great new pill … let’s try it!” You fucking call this science??????
Happy pills are based on fake science and lies.
The MSM whores and prostitutes might not be reporting it …. but the dangers of these legal drugs are not a secret. There’s tons and tons of info out there.
Like this place —- “Psychiatric Drugs & Violence—The Facts” — which conveniently has links to 22 international drug regulatory warnings and studies on psychiatric drugs citing effects of mania, hostility, violence, and homicidal tendencies … all in one convenient place.
So, if it’s all fake bullshit — and it IS — then how has it become a multi-billion dollar industry. One word … MARKETING.
I watched this whole series when I was researching my own son’s issues. Brilliant and very professionally done and very truthful. It’s 18 parts, with each part being about 10 minutes. If you watch it, it will open your eyes more than you imagined.
Here’s episode 1. (Warning: You might need Zoloft after watching it. heh heh)
I love your passion Stuck. I, too, see it, but it is not just the psychotropics, it is nearly everything they “fix” now.
I sit back and watch people I love kill themselves. And the body count is stacking up.
Last year I lost an aunt to allergy meds (I shit you not) and a best friend to statins and misguided/big ag/big chem produced diet recommendations.
And I’m the nut.
And I’m going to admit that I still like Xanax. I have always gone from upset to near hyperventilation relatively quickly. It doesn’t happen often, but when it does it is debilitating and horrible. It is also genetic as I have not reacted the way my parents did, so I know it isn’t that.
Anyway, xanies are the only thing I’ve ever found, chemically including natural ones, to halt it in its tracks while leaving me able to think and work.
Thanks to EFT, maturity, and movement and better nutrition, I don’t get that upset much anymore. Thank goodness because I haven’t been to a doctor in over four years and have no intention of going anytime soon. No reason to. That is real health.
Or is there another reason the plane crashed.
Below is an excerpt from Veterans Today.
Their analysis makes more sense than the pablum the public is fed from the governments and the MSM. But then the public wants to believe the government when when the government claims that we’ve ben attacked or that some lunatic(s) have killed the president, his brother, and a federal judge, or have shot another president or blown up buildings, shot up schools, hijacked airliners, etc.
Never ask the question, “Who benefits from all this mayhem?”… Believe your governemt and your leaders. That’s all you’re asked to do.
“The moment, over 24 hours ago, it was mentioned that the “pilot” was “pounding and screaming,” in an attempt to enter the cockpit, this information became of vital public interest. Additionally, as soon as the false information was released that air controllers were unable to contact the crew of the plane, it should have been mentioned that crew members have satellite phones available.
“Rather than pounding on a door, the pilot might well have been on the phone asking NORAD to land the plane for him.
“These phones are usually in each of the crew areas, fore and aft galleys and often sitting out in the open. A reference is made in this aero-medical flight manual:
“For anything other than a very minor medical complaint, the Purser or In-Charge Flight Attendant will normally make a PA announcement asking if there is a doctor or other qualified medical professional (nurse, paramedic etc) on board. If there is a positive response, the medical professional will be asked to assess the patient and to advise the crew of the best course of action.
“In the absence of a medical professional (or as a concurrent protocol), many air carriers have a standing arrangement with emergency medical service providers such as Med Link, Stat MD or Med Aire. These service providers can be used both pre-flight and in-flight and can be contacted via satellite phone, high frequency (HF) or very high frequency (VHR) radio phone patch through an ARINC station or by means of Aircraft Communications, Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) equipment. By one of these methods, direct communication with an emergency room/trauma centre physician is possible.
“Anti-Hijack System
“Again, we mention the same thing we brought up during the disappearance of MH370: Modern ‘fly by wire’ planes have, for years, had auto-land systems onboard that are in place to keep planes from being hijacked and crashed into nuclear power plants. We are told the planes can land using this system in winds up to 30 knots.
“We also know that a controlled crash in an area that would cause minimal collateral damage is the second course of events this system is programmed for.”
The efficiency of the investigators is impressive. We shouldn’t be surprised. They have always been good at their jobs. The Reichstag fire, the Kennedy killing,the Murrow Building,King and Bobby Kennedy,the first Twin Towers bombing,Twin Towers911,the Tsarnaev brothers and now Andres Lubitz. They found all the evidence so quickly after the incidents, too.
I’m a little suspicious .
If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
Stucky says – “Happy pills are based fake science and lies”…….
110% agreed. There is a problem however with vitamin deficiency causing mental problems. Lack of B vitamins will make you nuttier than a fruitcake, that is why Congress passed legislation in the 1930’s to fortify our food with B-vitamins. The soil in the US was so depleted that the peeps were becoming mentally unstable, thus the fortified food.
“And I’m going to admit that I still like Xanax.” (Footnote by SSS: Xanax is an anti-anxiety psychotropic drug.)
—-TE
It is clear that Admin, Stucky, I and others on this site are passionate critics of psychotropic drugs. My greatest passion is directed at giving these potentially dangerous drugs to those under the age of 25 when the human brain is still maturing. TE is a mature adult, for heaven’s sake. If Xanax helps with anxiety attacks, fine.
Prescribing psychotropics to children, adolescents, and young adults is the big problem. Do you realize that by 2005, anti-depressant psychotropics were the most prescribed medications in the U.S.? In 2010, 23 MILLION prescriptions were written for Prozac alone. And Prozac isn’t even the most prescribed drug. Zoloft and Celexa are #1 and #2.
Are you shitting me? WTF are we doing to ourselves, especially our youngsters? The VA prescribes anti-depressants for young soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan as if those medications were candy. PTSD? Here’s your Paxil, soldier. It’s a fucking scandal and just pisses me off to no end.
“The Reichstag fire, the Kennedy killing,the Murrow Building,King and Bobby Kennedy,the first Twin Towers bombing,Twin Towers911,the Tsarnaev brothers and now Andres Lubitz. They found all the evidence so quickly after the incidents, too. I’m a little suspicious.”
—-overthecliff
You ought to be a little suspicious, mainly about how stupid you are.
Anyone consider the parallels between opium addiction in China in the 1800’s, pushed by western multinational business interests, and psych med use in the USA since c. 1990, pushed by… umm… errr… western multinational business interests?
@SSS, AMEN to that, totally agree.
And I haven’t taken a xanie in over four years, and never daily. Even during periods of out of control upset and stress like during my mom’s death, 9/11 and my divorce.
When you look at most of the research, it quickly becomes apparent that most of these psyche drugs have next to no benefit over placebos, but come with tons of side effects including homicide and suicide.
As these are STATED “side effects,” one wonders what the hell the prohibition on raw milk is truly about as our health and safety is most definitely not the FDA or CDCs main concern.
SSS is playing “Debbie Downer” this afternoon calling Overthecliff stupid. Super Spook should do some research to find a clue or join Sensetti in the “we believe it’s all true club”.
@Persnick, at least opium wasn’t being prescribed to 4 year olds in preschool.
And we say life is better with chemicals. Yeah, if better means more wasted and less in control of yourself.
@Jackson: I saw that on VT and they’ve posted another theory regarding the cockpit door:
Hacked: Did You Really Think Cockpit Door Was Locked?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/27/350535/
Duff has admitted 1/2 the stuff he posts on VT is dis-info, so who the hell knows for sure?
Westcoaster,
Can you give me a reference to “(Gordon) Duff has admitted 1/2 the stuff he posts on VT is dis-info.”
That’s a serious charge. Can you support it?
If so it would change my opinion of Gordon Duff.
If not, well you know what I’d think about… and …
Jackson says: “Rather than pounding on a door, the pilot might well have been on the phone asking NORAD to land the plane for him.
No one anticipated this contingency?
The mental picture is always published immediately to fix it in the public mind. Same was done when it was reported imediately that a famous artist had described the arc of the second plane as it turned towards the second tower as ‘graceful’ or beautiful, thus implanting in the public imagination a picture that could not be removed or altered by later facts.
Word up stucky. Read Jon Rappoport @ nomorefakenews . Big pharma kills (more than most think
About a decade ago a girlfriend goaded me to see a doctor for depression. I was out of work at the time and being hounded by a DA over missed child support payments (how does suspending your drivers license contribute to putting one back on the path to getting current)? It’s the only reason I have ever been arrested and spend a few hours in a county jail. I hate the family law/court system more than Stucky hates Copfuks.
The doctor prescribed Prozac and told me it was a “wonder drug.” I took it for a few months but it seemed to have no effect whatsoever so I stopped. Maybe it was just a low dose. Anyway, the depression bout ended when other things turned out for the better.
TE said:
“As these are STATED “side effects,” one wonders what the hell the prohibition on raw milk is truly about as our health and safety is most definitely not the FDA or CDCs main concern.”
Heh! Raw milk probably contains the antidote for depression! I wonder if the consumption of animal fats is what gives humans our capacity for rage and outrage? I eat red meat, real butter and cheese and I’ve got outrage to spare. I can’t think of the last time I saw someone (besides myself) riled up enough to go off.
I always wondered why everyone seems to think that being perpetually happy and upbeat is normal? I want to smack people with that affliction! When one gets to the point that whacking themselves is a solution they probably need some help but being burned out or tired of the bullshit does not require drugs.
Hell, I’d probably whack myself but I want to see how this freak show ends! When I get to the point of being depressed or burnt out I try to find some kind of hard, miserable work to do. You know, like dusting your attic on a scorching summer day. There’s a difference between running on a treadmil and running from a Grizzly Bear. Hard, physical labor and the eventual reward of a job well done seems to improve my attitude considerably.
Get fired up! Get the adrenaline flowing!
Zar, my son just got his civil rights back, he paid off his child support nut and became a regular citizen once more living after many years as an illegal.
He said he got his driver’s license back and could travel overseas now. He said he told the DA that he was sure all that welfare his baby momma got did not all go to feed his 2 kids. She went on to have 2 more kids with her BF and because they got more welfare money because of them, the bill ran up and my son had to pay upwards of $30K.
I told my son about a short term GF I had, she climbed on top of me with the old, ‘I just want to know what it feels like’. I pushed her off me, I told him. Dad, your a guy, he said. Yeah, I replied, but I don’t want to start having any more kids at my age.
My friend said I was lucky she didn’t get pregnant, I said, no way. He said, Really, she could have gotten pregnant elsewhere and claimed it was yours. Shit!
El Coyote,
My experience in court was surreal. Most of those had support orders of 50 to $100 and were clearly drug users and perenially unemployed. My support order is $1,600 a month. Try meeting that when you are on unemployment. I also knew from my daughters that none of the money they received was going to them but rather her mother was using it as alimony. My daughters were both grown and in college, but I was required to pay support until they graduated. I paid on my oldest until she was 24 years old. Do you think the DA cared? Don’t you think that after paying about $150,000 in child support to my ex over the years that it would be best for me at this point in my life for me to prepare, the the extent that I can, for my own retirement so that I don/t become a burden on them?
A couple of years ago, a man in New Hampshire put gasoline on himself and lit himself on fire on the steps of the county courthouse for exactly the same reason…he left a long suicide note.
Pirate Jo is right. Marry well, or don’t have kids.
My girlfriend graduated from grad school in psychology with a 4.0 average but abandoned her intended career path in the belief that much of the psychology establishment was a de facto sales force for the pharmaceutical establishment. For a little fun reading, spend some time perusing the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. I’m afraid it’s safe to say that the vast majority of readers on this site suffer from “oppositional defiant disorder.” Maybe there’s some way we can all start collecting disability checks and get free drugs to put us out of our misery! This whole vast tome seems to me to reek of intellectual hubris, arrogance, corruption and downright stupidity. Of course, it’s not really funny when one thinks about that plane crash. Admittedly we don’t yet know what happened there and may never, but we do know about some of the school shooters who WERE on antidepressants I also lost my only sibling to a suicide that seems beyond doubt to have been caused in part by a bad mix of drugs prescribed by his psychiatrist. Every time I spoke with this doctor in the aftermath, she seemed to be heavily medicated herself. Disclaimer: I am admittedly biased about this whole subject. Perhaps I’m suffering from “intermittent explosive disorder.” When I think about what happened, I still get pissed off.
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“My girlfriend graduated from grad school in psychology with a 4.0 average but abandoned her intended career path in the belief that much of the psychology establishment was a de facto sales force for the pharmaceutical establishment. ” —————- John Coster
Psychologists do NOT prescribe medications. Psychiatrists do.
There are but two exceptions; Louisiana and Nevada. And even then it’s not just any psychologist. They need to be a “medical psychologist”. This entails a three year post-doctoral master’s degree in Clinical Psychopharmacology.
Imagine that … three fucking years and maybe a hundred grand to say …. “Yeah, try this whatcyamacallit pill. It might work. I dunno. If not, come back and we’ll try somethin’ else.” What a fucken joke.