ATTEMPTING TO SUSTAIN THE UNSUSTAINABLE

These stories always remind me of Wile E. Coyote. Virtually every municipality and State in this delusional empire of debt nation has promised their vast horde of government drones gold plated pensions. They have done so based on false assumptions, absence of a politicians’ backbone to stand up to government unions, total failure to understand the most simple mathematical concepts, and pure stupidity on the part of government bureaucrats, elected officials, and the ignorant masses who elect them. The majority of this country thinks you can get something for nothing. They think paying government drones pensions at 100% of their final salary for 30 years after they retire at 50 years old is sustainable and fair. Well it’s not sustainable.

States and municipalities have to balance their budgets annually. As these ridiculous pension amounts grow exponentially, the choices are to cut other spending or drastically increase taxes. How long will citizens put up with this crap? The government teachers suck. The second responders treat people like dirt. We add more firefighters as the number of fires hits an all-time low. We the people – the milking cows for the bloated government bureaucracy – have run dry. Gravity is about to take over. Government drones across the land are going to see how much a promise is really worth. 

Phoenix, other Valley cities reel from pension spikes

 

Valley cities are experiencing sticker shock over a $28.6 million spike in police and fire pension bills for next fiscal year.

Seven cities will fork over more money, with Mesa taking the biggest hit, an $8.7 million increase, and Phoenix coming in second, at $6 million.

Tempe and Glendale will experience the next-highest spikes of $4.2 million and $3.3 million, respectively, followed by Chandler at $2.7 million, Scottsdale at $2.6 million and Gilbert at $1.1 million.

Cities have seen their pension costs rise steadily in recent years, but next year they will experience the additional bump mostly due to the Arizona Supreme Court’s decision to strike down part of a 2011 state law crafted to rein in pension costs.

As part of the February 2014 ruling, the court ruled the state’s Public Safety Personnel Retirement System must repay retirees $40 million for previous cost-of-living increases and set aside $335 million in a reserve fund for future increases.

The decision means most Arizona cities will see their pension bills skyrocket next fiscal year.

And as pension bills climb, cities must scramble to fill the gaps with limited budget dollars, which could translate into less funding for parks, roads and other city services.

“We’re feeling this pressure of some of these costs that we just can’t control,” said Mesa City Manager Chris Brady. “We have to absorb over $8 million in public-safety pension costs. That’s a huge number. Every police officer, every (firefighter) we hire has just got that much more expensive. So it’s putting a big strain there. So we’re having to ask for departments to come up with some efficiency savings to be able to help us make up for those kinds of differences.”

Pension cost spike

Seven Valley cities will fork over an extra $28.6 million next fiscal year for police and fire pensions, largely because of an Arizona Supreme Court decision to strike down part of a 2011 state law crafted to rein in pension costs. Here’s how much extra each city will pay:

  • Mesa: $8.7 million
  • Phoenix: $6 million
  • Tempe: $4.2 million
  • Glendale: $3.3 million
  • Chandler: $2.7 million
  • Scottsdale:$2.6 million
  • Gilbert: $1.1 million

Source: Public Safety Personnel Retirement System

The court decision also dropped how much each city’s investment plan contributes to annual pension costs.

For example, Tempe now carries roughly $220 million in unfunded pension benefits owed to current and future retirees. That means more tax dollars are needed to cover the city’s annual pension obligations.

About a decade ago, when the pension plans were better funded, Tempe paid $1.9 million for the two plans, compared with the estimated $18.3 million it expects to pay next year.

Mesa paid $6 million for its police and fire pensions about a decade ago.

As for Phoenix, it paid $16.8 million.

But then the tech-stock bubble burst and was followed by a protracted recession. Next year, Mesa will pay a total of $41.4 million for its pensions. Phoenix will pay $143 million.

“The biggest challenge with funding these systems is we had two unprecedented financial crises within a decade,” said Jean-Pierre Aubry, assistant director of state and local research at Boston College’s Center for Retirement Research. “That’s not something actuarial science is built to navigate. It’s built for small fluctuations. All it tells you is that you’ve got to put in more money.”

Because most benefits are protected by law and the plans are controlled by the state, cities have few options to reverse their plans’ fortunes.

“There’s not a magic bullet for this. These are costs that were incurred and promises that were made,” Aubry said. “In most cases, all you can really do is nibble around the edges by shifting some of the costs to current employees.”

Although the pension outlook is bleak, it could be the right time for reform as employees, retirees and cities recognize the status quo is untenable.

“There is an opportunity here to think about how to create a system moving forward (and) how to spread the risk when markets fluctuate … so it’s not a free lunch on any one side,” Aubry said.

The president of the state’s firefighters union also believes change should come sooner, rather than later.

“We just want to fix this and get it healthy again,” said Bryan Jeffries, president of the Professional Firefighters of Arizona.

Jeffries has returned to the Legislature with a plan he says would restore most of the funding for police and fire pensions within 13 years.

The constitutional change would require employees to pay more and retire later while capping annual cost-of-living increases for retirees at 2 percent or less, depending on how the plan performs each year.

So far, retirees and active employees have expressed support for the plan. But Jeffries conceded that if it were implemented, it would likely be challenged in court.

Jeffries hopes the Legislature agrees to place it on the ballot. But if it declines, Jeffries said the union would seek an initiative for the 2016 election.

While plans to reform the system percolate, cities must deal with the increases now.

To help mitigate budget impacts, the state pension board is offering cities a three-year installment plan to pay for the increase next fiscal year.

But the payment plan would only compound city pension woes, said Tempe Deputy City Manager Ken Jones.

“That approach just adds financing costs to the liability,” Jones wrote in an e-mail to The Arizona Republic.

If Tempe chose the installment option, it would add an extra $6 million over 22 years to the city’s pension bill.

Mesa’s costs would increase by $13 million over that time.

Jones said Tempe won’t be accepting the state board’s offer of an installment plan.

Scottsdale and Gilbert also will not accept the three-year plan.

Mesa is considering a partial phase-in of the offer, while Chandler and Glendale will make their decisions as the budget process continues this spring. However, Glendale’s staff is recommending the city reject the three-year installment plan.

In Phoenix, where costs were expected to balloon by roughly $40 million next fiscal year, City Manager Ed Zuercher is recommending in his 2016 budget that the city accept the installment plan.

While the payment plan will save Phoenix an estimated $52 million over the next two years, it comes at a price.

Even though Phoenix’s budget will be spared paying the full amount, it still must cover the difference through financing mechanisms, costing roughly $69 million over the next 22 years.

According to information provided by Tammy Vo of the city’s communications office, the payment option will save the city from making immediate cuts or requiring it to find new revenue sources on short notice to cover the costs.

The delay also will give Phoenix some breathing room to figure out how to absorb the costs while looking at ways to reduce public-safety pension expenses.

Although this year’s pension news was dire, the near future isn’t any rosier.

The state is appealing the verdict in a second lawsuit filed against the 2011 law. The second lawsuit dealt with employee pension contributions.

If the appeal fails, pension costs will rise even higher.

Even though cities have little control over the state-run plans, some cities have joined the League of Arizona Cities and Towns task force to determine what, if any, long-term solutions exist to tackle the pension problem.

 

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starfcker
starfcker
March 30, 2015 9:29 am

Uh, this ain’t rocket science. Make them work till 65. No double dipping. Pensions no higher than 50% of base. Give them a little incentive to pay off the house and get the kids through school before retiring. BUT WHERE ARE THE COLLEGE EDUCATION BUYING NEEGROWS AND WOMEN GOING TO GET JOBS IF THOSE FUCKERS HOLD THE JOBS TILL THEIR 65? Can you say, channel stuffing?

Stucky
Stucky
March 30, 2015 9:39 am

“Here’s how much extra each city will pay: Mesa: $8.7 million” ——— article

Some quick maf. According to wiki —- “There are 175,701 housing units [in Mesa]”

8,700,000 / 175,701 = $49.52 per household housing unit.

According to wiki —- “The median income for a household in the city is $42,817” …. or, on an hourly basis, $20.58

In other words, for the price of three fuckin’ Starbucks coffees per fuckin year … the fine government workers of Mesa will able to keep their hard earned pensions. I see no problem wif dat.

Bambam
Bambam
March 30, 2015 10:14 am

I know they talk about cali and illonois ( or however the hell you spell it) facing pension crisises soon. How does Arizona rank?

Also, will they be hit with any other problems at the same time, like drought or immigration to make it worse?

Dutchman
Dutchman
March 30, 2015 10:25 am

I’m so sick of the “First Responder” bullshit. No different than any other job.

Many of these people retire with almost a full salary and lifetime benefits at age 55.

Stucky
Stucky
March 30, 2015 10:40 am

I guess I should have added the “/sarc” tag for the two dickfuks who voted me down.

overthecliff
overthecliff
March 30, 2015 10:42 am

Detroit here we come. The feds will be the last to crumble because its harder to vote with your feetwith them. Cities will go down first because it is easy to move away from their taxing authority.

yahsure
yahsure
March 30, 2015 2:54 pm

I guess the cops in AZ want that retirement money bad, They seem to be shooting a lot of people lately.

Lulu
Lulu
March 30, 2015 3:26 pm

The problem is most people don’t know how much government workers make and their benefits at all levels. They believe the BS that teachers are underpaid. They themselves were never eligible for a pension ad don’t realize what a retired NY cop, Chicago teacher, or Federal drone makes after only 20 to 30 years — and don’t forget the partial pensions for 5 to 15 years of service. I am in contact with many Federal employees ad I don’t know any who are making less than 120k a year, and they also get lots of paid leave including snow days (not kidding), full pensions after 30 years, partial after a lot less time, good healthcare options, can’t get fired, non merit based annual increases, etc. Meanwhile some chump making 12 to 20 dollars and hour with no benefits will work until he drops to pay them these outrageous sums for mostly busy work. If the average person understood there’d be rioting in the streets…

TE
TE
March 30, 2015 7:07 pm

And consider, all these “deficits” are being hit while our stock market, and housing, continues to hit record levels.

When the chickens come home to roost, and the market can no longer be held artificially aloft, and housing starts to return to historical averages, then what?

Think it is a big bill and hurts now? Just farking wait!

My kid’s property tax is over 50% just for cops and firemen pensions. That’s it.

What is 100% of nothing?

‘Cause if people keep walking away – voluntarily or involuntarily – that is exactly what these greedy, math-challenged bastards, will have left to collect.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster
March 30, 2015 7:09 pm

I’m with Lulu. Most of these cities will wind up going BK to get out of their pension obligations and the retirees will wind up with much less than they expected. It’s simple math. Hell in San Diego, the council members who voted on the “golden” pension plans for city workers were covered under the very same plan! Eliminating that scenario could be a step in the right direction.

llpoh
llpoh
March 30, 2015 7:30 pm

There should be no fucking pensions. People should save for their own retirement. End of story. You work, you get paid. Save, or don’t save. Eat, or don’t. Sticking future generations with the bill is obscene.

Obscene – I think that is going to be my new favorite word. I maybe do not know how to define it, but I sure as hell know an obscenity when I see it. And boy, am I seeing a lot of it.

Stephan F
Stephan F
March 30, 2015 7:54 pm

Government employees are poisoned & addicted to the something-for-nothing mentality worse than any other form of human parasite you can think of. And this is precisely the reason why they should be banned from the voting booth forever. This includes ALL govt employees — Fed, State, local.

So if you want to work for the government, fine; but no voting for you!

Stephan F
Stephan F
March 30, 2015 8:18 pm

Oh yes, and a big double thumbs up to Lulu ^^

geo3
geo3
March 30, 2015 8:29 pm

Football coaches are fired 2 years into a 5 year contract and receive the remainder. If I agree to a job offer at the age of 18 and fulfill my requirements, why should the rules be changed with my goal- line in sight?

Bankers made whole, athletes are the new Rothschildren, and Ohio state employees received their last increase in 2008.

Easy pickin’s are we, but these aren’t plans we personally negotiated. For the 10 years I work, I will be eligible for approximately 12% of my current compensation and no retirement health. A 61 years of age, with most of my prior employers defunct, its not manna, but perhaps survival.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 30, 2015 8:53 pm

starfcker says: Uh, this ain’t rocket science. Make them work till 65. No double dipping. Pensions no higher than 50% of base.

AV College bought out their faculty at 55, one instructor said the deal was too good to pass up, I suppose the college president brought in fresh talent at half the price.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 30, 2015 9:01 pm

Bambam says: Also, will they be hit with any other problems at the same time, like drought or immigration to make it worse?

Hey, dumbfuck, you characterize immigration like it was a plague of locusts. Immigration is legal, illegal immigrants are the problem. They have found more opportunities back east and have been leaving the Golden State.

TE
TE
March 30, 2015 9:24 pm

@geo3, so you are willing to shut down the schools and stop collecting trash as long as you “get your promises?”

How much have you PAID out of pocket for that benefit?

Do you think that anyone under the age of 40 is EVER going to get what they had STOLEN under the guise of SS?

100% of nothing, is nothing. Unless you are in a town that is adding more non-tax-abated businesses, than are shutting down, just how do you think you are going to be paid?

Think you can afford a doubling, or tripling, of your property taxes to pay for the promises?

Think you neighbors will be happy about you eating and retiring as they go hungry and lose their homes and businesses?

Bankruptcy isn’t a solution, at least not yet. Detroit’s big “fix” amounted to a FOUR percent reduction in pensions.

And City Council is voting right now to give themselves raises.

ALL American government is on the brink of implosion.

Promises don’t mean crap if there is nothing left to steal from the former taxpayers.

And that@geo3, is the REAL state of American Government budgets.

The real taxpayers were gutted and gifted to the unions and mega-nationals. Enjoy throwing grandma’s into the street to take their home to pay for your promises.

I’ll pray your grandma is left alone. Mine are dead, I no longer have to worry about the thieving government taking her assets, freedom or life.

BamBam
BamBam
March 30, 2015 10:33 pm

@El Coyote,

Hey fucktard, lemme break it down for you:

Yes, you’re right that illegal immigration is what was on my mind, or more specifically everything that goes along with it, such as more spending on social services, crime, gang ties, etc.

But don’t get all huffy just because I used a shorter phrase. I bet everyone knew what I meant. I typed it in on my phone, so I try and make things as short as possible.

No, I don’t think immigrants are a plague of locust. I don’t even feel that way about illegal immigrants. Chances are, if I was born in Mexico, I’d be trying to get here too and away from the violence and poverty.

I do, however, believe in carrying capacity. If you only have X dollars for Y people, increasing Y people means everyone has fewer dollars. Notice how I mention the drought? If you live in a desert with limited water, and you add more people, that limited water is more limited. If you live in a desert reverting to an even drier desert, with aquifers already becoming depleted, exactly how many people (whether from Mexico or California or births) can you add to the population without suffering breakdown?

Now, to help you rinse the sand out of your vagina, let me rephrase the question in a more politically correct manner:

With all of Arizona’s other problems (including drought, sharing a border with California, being a desert, having John McCain as a senator, chuppacabra’s, drug cartels, and El Coyote living there) could we see these problems compounding each other to produce a much sooner date for complete pension failure then even most of us expect, and if so when?

geo3
geo3
March 30, 2015 11:04 pm

Being 61 years old, I too worry about how my Grandmother will continue to survive.

Working in the private sector for over 30 years, I recall contributing roughly 7% to social security and my take-home averaged 75-80% of gross pay.

Being displaced as an older worker, I welcomed the chance for any job, and it took me 10 years to recoup the same rate as I earned prior. My pension contribution is 15%, with net take home now around 65% of gross.

At 5 years a state employee vests for 33% of the state pension contributions (also 15% of pay), at 10 years you vest at 67%, and should I live long enough at 15 years I will be vested for 100%.

Yes, my benefits will probably be reduced in the future, but not to the extent that I lost working for Admiral Appliance, Gould Battery, and Continental Bank.

Realist
Realist
March 31, 2015 8:05 am

Pension settlement would ‘close the chapter’ (Under GAG Order!)

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150330/NEWS/150339888

R.I. municipalities holding emergency council meetings on pension settlement

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150325/NEWS/150329519/0/SEARCH

“Re-amortization” could potentially reduce, rather than raise North Kingstown’s cost by roughly $100,000.

But Embury said his town’s council did not support re-amortization as an option to lower the upfront costs, because “it doesn’t make sense for us to kick the can further down the road.”

Remember that word – “Re-amortization”

It still wont work.

Realist
Realist
March 31, 2015 8:09 am

R.I. Broadcasters Association asks judge to reconsider gag order on pension settlement

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150330/NEWS/150339958/13943

Sunshine in spring, PUKE.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote
March 31, 2015 9:44 am

With all of Arizona’s other problems (including drought, sharing a border with California, being a desert, having John McCain as a senator, chuppacabra’s, drug cartels, and El Coyote living there) could we see these problems compounding each other to produce a much sooner date for complete pension failure then even most of us expect, and if so when?

Beautiful. Two points, though:
1. EL Coyote lives in SoCal, unless you mean my cousin Wile.
2. I apologize for my nasty approach, my illness is affecting my natural sense of humor, perhaps I shall comment less. Please disregard my name calling, your a cool dude for responding.

Chicago999444
Chicago999444
March 31, 2015 9:48 am

” Most of these cities will wind up going BK to get out of their pension obligations and the retirees will wind up with much less than they expected.”

The sooner the better. With luck, it will happen soon in Chicago, while we still have a beautiful city where most of the blight and crime is confined to a few corners of it, and while we still have half a tax base. That way, we can unload all those destructive contracts and obligations and still not be starting from zero the way Detroit has had to do.

Everyone in this country, and really the world, is going to have to learn to do much more with a lot less. We have reached our carrying capacity and we have long ago overshot our spending power. It’s just over. Going forward, we are all going to have to settle for less of everything, including the 1%, as resources dwindle. If you are on the fence about having kids, decide not to. And instead of relying on your kids to take care of you in old age, start saving for your old age now. Don’t have kids who are doomed to grow up into a world where they will scarcely be able to provide for themselves, with the idea that they will care for you.

Bambam
Bambam
March 31, 2015 10:07 am

@EL

It’s cool. I’m sorry to hear you’re sick, hope you get to feeling better.

Susan
Susan
March 31, 2015 2:20 pm

While you can retire from the police force or fire service with full benefits (100% vested) at ten years, you cannot collect those benefits until age 62 in AZ.

I’m just glad I cashed out my retirement some years ago. I took a small hit in taxes, but it was offset by the fact that I used the money for school. Because by the time I’m 62 it surely wouldn’t be around.

My local FD is stirring the pot by making the chief out to be a bad guy. Having met him (and having worked for said FD in the past) I think he’s overpaid but also has done very good things for the department. The problem currently is that we have too many firefighters (who mostly run emergency medical calls) for the population and ESPECIALLY for the tax base. They are talking layoffs, which in my opinion can’t come soon enough. The most serious problem is that they gutted the reserve firefighter force some years ago. We only needed 3 full time firefighters when there were always people willing to be on call and come in to man the stations when the full timers were on calls. If the chief can manage to bring back the reserve force it will be an amazing feat and very good for this community.

EL Coyote observing and reporting
EL Coyote observing and reporting
March 31, 2015 9:46 pm

1. The old company offered us a $1400 monthly payment from age 55 to our full retirement age. Eleven years vs. a smaller amount for life. I took option 2 because I can add it to my SS when the time comes or at least have that if SS goes under.
2. They have a new VA clinic in Lancaster, the receptionist invited me to the grand opening on Friday. I was there early and happened to be the only beaner there with 15 old white dudes. There were two black receptionists, one large, one small, and a large white nurse who took my blood.
3. I have diabetes. My metformin stopped working recently, perhaps around the time Stucky noted my comments were becoming mean-spirited. I don’t notice my mood but I have certainly heard people tell me that I am acting strangely. I guess I can blame it on a blood sugar level of 300 – 500. My Chinese doc, who looks like Lucy Liu, started me on insulin.
4. I’m kind of perplexed that back in the 70’s the oke was that hispanics did not have cancer because they couldn’t spell carcinoma. Now, the report says nearly everyone knows a person with cancer. Right off the top of my head I can say I’ve heard of 10 cases including my sister.
5. What is the cause of all these cancers? Is it in the air, in the water supply or in our food?

Notahappycamper
Notahappycamper
April 1, 2015 11:39 am

If you really want to know about how absolutely ridiculuous this is, watch this two hour video, “The Great Pension Fund Hoax”.

The state of California taxes and regulates its people such that no one in their right mind wants to stay any longer to start a business. Also what you’ll find in this video is that Most states including California are not broke, which is the excuse they used to convince us that we needed to raise taxes on the rich among other things. The state of California has billions upon billions in special pension accounts that are not accounted for when tabulating the financial state of this state, and this is not inclusive of what cities and counties have in their coffers. Why? Good question. We are being lied to for reasons of profit. The profit in one year from the investments of these funds would pay off our state debt, over and above what is paid out to all the pension accounts, In one year !
That is “PROFIT” people, not what is paid into those funds every week, month, and year by the working men and women who contribute to those funds. And get this, What the state pays into those funds, over and above the contributions by the people, is two to three times as much. Which is guess what? Our tax dollars.
The states are robbing us blind and not giving us any clue as to the nature of their investments and profits that are essentially off the books. THIS IS ROBBERY PEOPLE, PURE AND SIMPLE !!!
And California snivels because businesses are leaving at an alarming rate along with its entrepreneurial citizens, which are being cover by Immigrants who take low paying jobs, which in the end lowers state revenues.
Can anyone see the problem here?

alaskan
alaskan
April 1, 2015 6:18 pm

Up here in Alaska our elected just gave our unelected gummit pukes 2.5 billion for their pensions.