If investigators found prescription anti-depressant drugs in this guy’s home, why won’t they release which drugs they were? It couldn’t be because the mega-drug conglomerates pay these media companies billions in advertising revenues. Could it?
Will they ever reveal which drugs caused this guy to murder 150 people?
Psych meds found at home of Germanwings co-pilot
Investigators have found drugs used in the treatment of psychological problems at the house of the Germanwings co-pilot. The findings were reported by German weekly Welt am Sonntag.
The German weekly Welt am Sonntag revealed on Saturday that police have discovered drugs used to treat psychological disorders and proof of a serious “psychosomatic illness” of co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who is thought to have deliberately crashed a Germanwings plane on Tuesday into the French Alps, killing 150 people.
Bild said that the 27-year-old co-pilot had been treated by “several neurologists and psychiatrists.” Investigators found several drugs used to treat psychological ailments at Lubitz’s home in Düsseldorf. Police, however, did not find any indication of alcohol or other addictive drugs.
German prosecutors believed he also hid an illness from Germanwings, the Lufthansa subsidiary he had been working for as a co-pilot since 2013.
Sick notes
Investigators on Friday said they found “medical documents that suggested an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment.” They also found “torn-up and current sick-leave notes, among them one covering the day of the crash.”
Lubitz’s personality was an important line of investigation, but not the only one, Jean-Pierre Michel, head of the French police’s delegation, told journalists in Düsseldorf. They had not found any other problems in the co-pilot’s personal life, such as relationship problems, which could explain his behavior. Prosecutors were also planning to look into the co-pilot’s computer and question his parents.
Plagued by nightmares
In an interview with German newspaper Bild, an ex-girlfriend of the co-pilot said he had once told her: “One day I’ll do something that will change the system and then everyone will know my name and remember it.”
The woman, who was referred to as Maria W., told Bild that if he crashed his plane, then it was possibly “because he realized that due to his health problems, his big dreams of working at Lufthansa, of having a job as a pilot and as a pilot on long-distance flights, was nearly impossible.”
According to Maria W, he spoke a lot about work. “He became upset about the conditions we worked under: too little money, fear of losing the contract, too much pressure.” She also said he would wake up from nightmares, screaming “we are crashing.”
He was on Fineasstokill, Krashdaplane, and Iluvrocks.
Germanwings Co-Pilot Head Been Treated For “Suicidal Tendencies” In The Past
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/30/2015 09:31 -0400
The horrible events of last week just go from bad to worse, if that is possible, as investigators dig further into the disturbed past of murderous co-pilot Andreas Lubitz and find more problems, as Reuters reports:
GERMANWINGS CO-PILOT HAD BEEN IN TREATMENT FOR SUICIDAL TENDENCIES IN THE PAST
Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. While careful to note that recent treatments suggested no suicidal tendency, this merely raises questions about historical screening and ongoing monitoring among a group of people who are ultimately responsible for the lives of many others… especially after finding “a small mountain of anti-depressants” in his apartment.
Headlines (via Bloomberg)
*PROSECUTORS: TREATMENT OF CO-PILOT INCLUDED SUICIDAL TENDENCIES
*PROSECUTORS: SUICIDAL TENDENCIES TREATMENT WAS SOME YEARS AGO
*PROSECUTORS: RECENT TREATMENT DIDN’T INDICATE SUICIDAL TENDENCY
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As IBTimes reports,
The 27-year-old co-pilot Andreas Lubitz believed to have deliberately crashed Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 plane, killing 149 passengers, trawled gay porn websites and sites relating to suicide, investigators have revealed.
He also feared losing his eyesight and was suffering from depression.
A police source in Dusseldorf revealed: “We have a team disassembling his computer, and that of his girlfriend, because the information that we received was that he trawled the dark side of the web visiting, among other things, sites containing gay porn, suicide themes and sexual perversions.”
The reports emerged after police started examining documents and a computer from his flat in Dusseldorf – the same one where ripped-up sick notes were discovered in the rubbish.
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Reports have suggested he was troubled by his sexuality and also seeking treatment for vision problems. Lubitz had recent hospital treatment for his eyesight, according to officials close to the German investigation.
It was also revealed that the 27-year-old was treated by four psychiatrists in the months leading up to the fatal plane crash, reported the Sun.
A “small mountain” of drugs believed to be antidepressants were found at Lubitz’s apartment.
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FAA bans pilots from flying while on antidepressant drugs
Antidepressant drugs are so dangerous that the FAA bans U.S. pilots from taking them. They are considered a danger to the pilot and passengers. I’m not certain whether antidepressants are illegal for pilots to consume in various European countries, but it wouldn’t be difficult for someone to be acquiring them and taking them covertly, even if it were illegal.
Here’s a list of other mass murderers who were taking antidepressant drugs:
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
• Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
• Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
• Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
• Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
• Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
• Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
• Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
• A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
• Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
• A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
• Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
• TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
• Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
• James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
• Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
• Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
• Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
• Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
• Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
• Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
• Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
• Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
• Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
• Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Lubitz was crazy and suicidal.
He was taking drugs to treat his illness.
The drugs made him commit suicide or…
The drugs didn’t work and he killed himself and 150 others.
Which came first the chicken or the egg? All of the above assumes that he was crazy and suicidal. He might have been set up. Just because I am paranoid doesn’t mean that they aren’t lying to me.
Dutchman
And the drug companies will say, ” just think how many he would have/could have killed if he wasn’t under treatment”.
“Which came first the chicken or the egg?” ——– overthecliff
imho, it doesn’t matter.
As SOON as it became known that Lubitz was suicidal —- whether before or after the drugs is irrelevant — his commercial pilot license should have been revoked, forever. Too harsh? No, not when hundreds of lives are your responsibility.
The Huge Mistake made by the airline, the government, and the doctors (and by Lubitz himself) was the belief that antidepressants can cure the ROOT CAUSE of his suicidal tendencies. It can’t! It can only address the symptoms.
Dutchman
You list 25 people who were on antidepressants and committed mass murder. Yet, millions of people who take antidepressants do not commit murder.
And therein lies the Hideous Question; WHICH people will wind up being fucked-up-beyond-belief as a result of taking them? And, the Hideous Answer; they have no fucking idea.
“Germanwings crash: Not the full story?” ——- T4C
Nice find. Interesting read.
Damn shame we live in a world where virtually no news story can ever be believed … without resorting to a “conspiracy” theory. But, such is life when authorities lie as easily as they breathe.
I must admit, I was rather surprised at how quickly the authorities KNEW what happened. That raises some red flags.
I’m also surprised my list of drugs (first post) has only gotten 1 thumbs up. That required much research, and I consider it to be some of my finest work.
@Stucky: That list of murders was just an example. The link is SSRI drugs:
Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors or serotonin-specific reuptake inhibitors[1] (SSRIs) are a class of compounds typically used as antidepressants in the treatment of major depressive disorder and anxiety disorders.
I don’t know if antidepressants CAUSE suicidal or violent thoughts, but I do know that they can (especially Prozac) dampen or remove levels of self control. People on these drugs will act on thoughts or feelings that they normally would not with a variety of levels of consequences, this act being the worst.
My sister briefly took some kind of SSRI (don’t know what type or brand). She said she had to quit it as she was having suicidal thoughts while taking it. Fucking with the chemistry of the brain is not something to be done lightly. These quack doctors however prescribe them like candy nowadays. Pills are just band aids that mask your real issues.
You want to know why the poor sod killed himself IMHO? Take a look at the women he ran into!
His girlfriend Kathrin Goldbach (whose picture is to be found via Google, while her FB-account is now closed, of course) – not the abovementioned “Maria W.”, mind you! – separated him a few days before the crash after seven years and reportedly being pregnant from him…why?
http://www.focus.de/panorama/welt/germanwings-absturz-im-news-ticker-geheime-auszuege-aus-dem-stimmrekorder-was-passierte-wirklich-an-bord_id_4577310.html
Anybody remember the movie “An Officer and a Gentlemen”? Where the buddy of Richard Gere kills himself, because his girlfriend separates him after learning that he would not become a pilot, but just an “Okie from Muskokie” working at his father’s business in Oklahoma City?
How likely is it, that she – after 7 years! – knew nothing about his health problems? That he soon would have to leave the profession? That he would never become a Flight Captain? Well, well…
Concerning the abovementioned POS other Ex-girlfriend “Maria W.”, who reallly lost NO time selling herself to the BILD – the most evil, meanest, POS, yellow press rag Germany can muster! – now, if I were unlucky enough to run into this kind of women on a regular basis, I would have contemplated killing myself long since too…
If you ask me – count the drugs out. I think there were other reasons (no excuse, of course!).
Visitor from Germany
Nope. Not buying it. No one murders 140 people because their favorite Sausage Holder is no longer available. Too simplistic. There must be more to it than just that.
Reports say he stopped taking his anti-depressant medicine. There is only one thing worse than taking anti-depressants and that is going off them cold turkey.
I’m stunned – another “lone nut” at it again.
Psych patients are an endless cyclic dilemma, on meds, off meds, never a cure, only feeble attempts at drug induced states of normality. Take away the dope and a nose dive follows close behind.
Stucky
I was in a similar situation 6 years ago (without the perspective of losing my job, however)…and took Fluoxetin (aka “Prozac”) for some time. Some times on – some times off…so I know my way around.
And – btw – the women who caused MY pains were better than the co-pilots 7-year-girlfriend and FAR better than the POS(squared!) “Maria W.” who spread her legs for BILD, Germanys most EVIL, MEAN, POS YELLOW RAGS $%§”%&%Z/!”!!!!!!!
Stucky
I was in a similar situation 6 years ago (without the perspective of losing my job, however)…and took Fluoxetin (aka “Prozac”) for some time. Some times on – some times off…so I know my way around depression.
And – btw – the women who caused MY pains were FAR better than the co-pilots 7-year-girlfriend and FAR better than the POS(squared!) “Maria W.” who wasted NO time spreading her legs for BILD, Germanys most EVIL, MEAN, POS YELLOW PRESS RAG $%§”%&%Z/!”!!!!!!!
You do not put into consideration my explanation?
Well – have you ever heard about “Occams Razor”?
Stuck You have a lot of good points about crazies drugs and airlines. who do you trust most the media or the drug companies? My guess is that the drug companies didn’t make their protection payment to the media on time.
He also feared losing his eyesight and was suffering from depression.
Soooo….he was depresses he was going blind and wouldn’t be able to shake the dew off his lily while trawling for chocolate starfish man sex.
Makes me worry for big and little bb.
* depressed
Until they find the memory card (which has been reported to be missing…?) from the recovered flight data recorder……
Fuck it. We will never know the truth.
I don’t understand the fixation on motive. For whatever reason the first and foremost obligation of the MSM after every explosive violent act by an individual is to search for causality.
When it’s part of the narrative, i.e. bitter clingers, they gom into hyperdrive as if this impetus makes the crime graver than if it is one of the protected classes. Does anyone think that motive matters to the surviving relatives?
If it were an accident, they’d still be dead, poor maintenance, same thing. Islamic terrorist, white nationalist, Hutu freedom fighter, disgruntled employee, drug addled depressive, closeted homosexual, what difference does it make?
Airlines, despite their appearance of control and professionalism and massive budgets and mandatory drug tests and pre-screening and regular physicals and professional development and continuing training and hyper vigilant airport security and anonymous tiplines and deep state surveilance and whatever else I haven’t mentioned, can’t spot a mass murdering, psychotic, drug riddled, anxiety filled, depressive, sexual deviant with known mental problems until they search his apartment?
Really?
Really?
Beyond that just who is in charge of developing the security systems that prevent these type of incidents? No one thought of the rogue pilot scenario? Despite the Egypt Air 990, Silk Air 185 and at least three others I remember but can’t recall flight numbers of off the top of my head, no one thought about coming up with at least ONE countermeasure to this probability?
Sure.
My guess is that the only reason they hammer the motive angle home is to defelct from their deliberate incompetence on one level and to push for even greater intrusion into the private lives of everyone to “make us safer”.
Motive doesn’t bring anyone back from the dead and the vast majority of the wrong headed policies of the past 50 years only exacerbates the problem (yesterday morning on NPR they were doing the old “this kind of talk about depression violates our commitment to acceptance and inclusion and that vast majority of deporessives DON’T commit mass murder so there shouldn’t be an undue burden on people who suffer from it becoming, for example, airline pilots” schtick.
We don’t allow blind people to fly planes either, for good reason, even though the argument can probably be made that more pilots who have good eyesight have been involved in airline crashes than blind pilots.
We live in full on crazy town, folks. There is no common sense, no good judgement, no traditional means for running a functioning society because every exception that could ever be made has been. Orwell was so far off how bad it would get he’d be disappointed in how much he held back. Harrison Bergeron reads like a news story instead of satire and soon the world of Idiocracy will be the norm for whatever is left of the Western world.
There is an affliction we live with that is the result of something far deeper, less remediable than anything a pill can cure. We have collectively lost our mind, we suffer from a case of societal manic -depression, a species wide mental instability that will lead us into another kind of mountain from which the pieces will never be able to be put together again. But that’s inconsequential right now, what’s really important is why Herr Lubitz broke up with his BFF.
” … what difference does it make? ” ———— hardscrabble farmer
I just love it when HF channels his inner Hillary.
I disagree with your premise. What’s one of the first things people ask when they find out a loved one has been murdered? “WHY did he/she do it? Why??”. In a natural disaster religious folks even ask God why he allowed it.
IMHO, knowing “why” is part of the process of bringing closure to the tragedy.
Perhaps we should start with “What Happened?”
Exactly how many sources do we have for the apparent voice recording that remarkably tells the whole story and is then fleshed out with drugs, psychiatry, sexuality, vision and old girl friends – all the salacious tidbits people love to glom onto.
IMO the idea that the German people are fed up with the sanctions imposed from above from NATO and this has placed the German politicians in a very uncomfortable position – Germany leaving NATO is not something America is going to tolerate and dropping planes out of the skies sends a pretty powerful message.
I believe we have that sort of Star Wars technology and keeping NATO together is enough of a reason to pull it out of the closet.
Olga
Your scenario — that the USA!USA!USA! dropped that bird via some star wars technology — assumes that Germans could be scarred by taking it up the ass.
Sure, German citizens may be just as pussified as their American counterparts … but I believe they would draw the line at the premeditated murder of their citizens.
I would suspect that the average German is eating up all the bait-and-switch story much like everyone else – IMO the message was for the higher-ups.
But I have no way of knowing – I doubt most will never believe anything other than what the MSM has told them to believe.
That was poorly worded.
I believe most people will continue to believe what the MSM tells them to believe.
Being “schooled” is learning what others what you to know – education is thinking for yourself.
The MSM does a terrific job is schooling us 24/7 and I would have to believe Edward Bernays himself would be salivating at the ease that TV and media have in telling people what to believe – we have very few people going out and trying to learn for themselves.
IMO the propaganda and mind control is as bad as it was under Pravda – whatever they say I believe the opposite so for me it is no different regarding this plane.
But again – I can never know what really happened.
“No one thought about coming up with at least ONE countermeasure to this probability (of a nutjob in the cockpit)?”
—-HSF
Well, I may be wrong, but I think U.S. airlines require at least TWO people in the cockpit at all times. If the pilot or co-pilot has to leave the cockpit for whatever reason, a member of the cabin crew takes his or her place. And a lot of U.S. pilots have gotten permission to carry a firearm when they fly. And yes, they go through a battery of psychological tests to fly armed.
They are paid enormous sums of money to lie to us 24/7 – why is it when they throw in sum salacious tidbits all of a sudden they’re truth tellers?
Rivero doesn’t agree with me but he agrees we’re being lied to.