Ramblings About Messicans

Guest Post by Fred Reed

A Surfeit of Bile

I hope the reader will be tolerant of an eruption of pent-up irritation. While I do not think that encouraging mass immigration from Mexico is a good idea, and never have thought it, I weary of seeing Mexicans unreasonably and inaccurately vilified by dweebs, literati, and minor-league thunderers reminiscent of what’s-his-name who drew pictures in Vienna. Mexicans belong in Mexico. They are, however, perfectly good people, or as good as any other–a feeble recommendation, I grant–and in several ways superior to our collapsing Caligula-by-Disney circus-tent of a country. So there

Permit me a searing insight (the only kind this column has.) Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, are and will be a large part of America. The Fat Lady has sung. It might therefore be a good idea to know something about them, what they are and are not, and what they may do. Oddly, I encounter little interest, even–or especially–from those who excoriate them. Instead the web resounds with angry baying at everything Spanish by people who seem to be descended, though not very far, from emotionally retarded pit bulls. I wonder what purpose is served by their hostility and misrepresentation.

Chief among the bayers is John Derbyshire of Taki’s Magazine. Most people have never heard of him (or of me, which I find incomprehensible) but he is a perfect example, probably Plato’s ideal, of a hostile thunderer. John unrelentingly savages Mexicans, expressing himself with the nuanced objectivity of a prom queen who has discovered a rival. For John, there is nothing–nothing—good about any Mexican. They are stupid. They have no family values. Their music is terrible. He cannot conceive of a Mexican’s having an idea.

None of this describes the Mexico I live in. Nor does it describe the Mexicans I have met in the US. The grinding hatred reminds me of an anti-Semite I once knew: “Hey, Fred, how’s it going? Now why do the goddam Jews think they can….” On and on. And on. And on, until I wanted to scream, “Yes! Yes! The Jews poison wells. They sacrifice Christian children. It’s all true. Now can you just shut up about it?”

I question Jonn’s standing in the matter. John, an immigrant from England, now thinks himself an American. He is no more American than I am a Mexican. That is, we are both legally present in someone else’s country. He is certainly less American than those Mexican-Americans whose families have been in the US since 1848.

I worry that he is not assimilating. Well, a little. He has learned pretty fair English. This is to be admired in someone whose native language presumably is Urdu. But…American? It is impossible to imagine him pulling a catfish out of Machodoc Creek with a cane pole on a summer afternoon. Or dancing a fast double-step jitterbug in a rural dive on the Potomac with Little Richard squalling Long Tall Sally. Or getting skinned for quarters at nine-ball in Bradshaw’s Pool Hall at three a.m. on a snowy night. You might as well imagine me trying to be a duke. As someone said, you are not a car just because you are in a garage.

See? I can be unreasoningly anti-immigrant too.

If I were to speak to John, it would be in this wise:

You will be astonished, John, (not to say disappointed) to learn that Mexicans are pretty close to human, and even competent at many things. They dress themselves, brush their teeth, and live in houses. They also run telecommunications and airlines, trouble-shoot routers, and engineer highways and bridges in wicked terrain. (There, there. Sit down. Take a deep breath. Calm yourself. You will be all right in a few minutes.)

They do other things. Let me use medicine as an illustrative thunderclap. Mexican doctors—brace yourself–do not effect cures by sacrificing chickens. They regularly handle dialysis, implant stents, perform surgery. I know somewhat of this. I have myself had locally a fluorescein angiogram, optical-coherence tomography, optical echosonogram, an MRI for a rotator-cuff problem, and the usual dentistry. John, there was not a chicken in evidence.

Puerta de Hierro Hospital, Guadalajara. It is actually an adobe hut, but has been extensively PhotoShopped.

A gringo I know recently had a pacemaker installed.  He reports that the surgeon did not open his chest with an obsidian knife atop a pyramid.

Really. Honest. I swear it.

Worse and worse, John: A while ago we took a ninety-year-old friend, who had fallen and wrecked a vertebra, to the St. Javier Hospital in Guadalajara. The surgeon drilled holes in the bone, inserted balloons which when inflated restored the vertebra to the proper shape, filled the holes with linoleum cement (well, some kind of cement) and, when it had hardened properly, discharged him. Outpatient procedure. Worked fine.

St. Javier Hospital of the Linoleum Cement. The far room is used for chanting and doing things with the heads of goats.

(OK, OK, I concede that we did have to bring chickens, but only as a backup. The surgeons prefer white ones, and light little fires around them.)

A medical chicken, Guadalajara.

A million American expatriates live in Mexico, John. If it were as benighted and awful as you believe, don’t you think they might, like, you know—have noticed?

Nah.

I suspect that your perturbations and uproars are genetic.  (I said this column was going to ramble.) You are, I think, a believer in genetic determinism. You are also a conservative, and conservatives always growl fearfully at the twisting shadows without, and within, just as liberals squeak and gibber and say “Goo! Goo!” Such perfect consistency must be genetic.

(Since you are something of a biochemist:: In conservatives the gene Ahlim3f codes for the protein 3,5-diphenyl-polywanacrakerase which in the brain acts on the medial gyrunculus to reactivate the ancestral reptilian limbic system. Consider John McCain. Liberals are protected by another protein, associated chiefly with butterflies, which prevents the synthesis.)

Next: Race. I am informed that you are on a crusade, giddyap giddyap Rocinante, to keep America white. I think this would have been a good idea, while feasible. Diversity is usually more trouble than it is worth, and often a catastrophe. Diversity is what we have, though, as a matter of deliberate and continuing American policy, and maybe we should make the best of it. Or decide how bad it really is.

I do think your personal approach to the maintenance of whiteness–you imported  a brown wife to the United States and had a brood of mestizo children—seems a curious one, rather like screwing for virginity. Since I too am a race traitor, and have a brown wife and mestizo stepdaughter, I commend your choice, but it does look an awful lot like hypocrisy.

Anyway: Since there will be lots of Mexicans in America no matter how much we grind our teeth, shriek, or hold our breath and turn blue, a reasonable question might be: How well can Mexicans and gringos get along? Not how well will they get along: this depends on economics, concentrations, schooling, hostility from the indigenes and excited net-hamsters, and whether the immigrants are corrupted by the welfare system. What is the best case? How well can they get along?

Well. Or so I think. I do not have your vast experience with Mexicans, John, and so I am groping in the dark. Fortunately I had some practice  with the technique as a teenager. Mayhap I can provide useful insights.

Everywhere that I am aware of in Mexico, relations are good. Everywhere I have actually been in the United States, relations have also been good. This includes Houston, San Antonio, New York City, Washington, DC and, in Chicago, Berwyn and Pilsen. On the other hand, locals returning from the States report hostility in Arizona and in many towns across the country. Friends in law enforcement tell of young Mexicans adopting the dress and behavior of the black underclass. Bad. Very bad.

I offer for your inspection this thought: It is a question of class, not race. People of different races and cultures seldom get along, unless they are of the middle class, when attachment to refrigerators and monster TVs usually (but not always) provides a commonality precluding warfare. I deal daily with Mexicans of the middle class (many of them we would call lower middle class.) About half the country now fits this description. There is no problem.

Middle classes, everywhere that I know of anyway, have small families, school their children, wash behind their ears, and seldom rob banks or kill the neighbors. (Well, maybe on weekends.) There is nothing in Mexican culture that is inherently immiscible with Americanity. They do not genitally mutilate their daughters or make them wear funny-looking bags, and do send them to university when they can. They don’t do arranged marriages or honor killings. They are slightly Catholic (they ignore the parts about fornication, contraception, and adultery as much as everybody else) and don’t want to convert everybody else. If them pesky Messkins, beaners, and Pedros makes it to middle class, things will probably go tolerably. We had better hope.

On the other hand, if large numbers become a permanent, resentful welfare-and-affirmative-action underclass, God help the Republic, if any.The welfare system endeavors exactly that.

If I were a curmudgeonly cynic (which assuredly I am not) I might ask: How, having invited them in and put them on welfare, can the US complain that they are in, and on welfare?

I assume, John, that you, having been brought up in a castle—all Englishmen are brought up in castles, I believe—will look with practiced and well-oiled disdain upon the notion that Mexicans might not be stupid. I grant that it is a gut-wrenching idea. But sometimes we must bear up under vicissitudes. (And please, don’t do your Central-Casting lordliness. It is wearying.) But the lovingly held notion of the 87 IQ of Mexicans just doesn’t square with observation. (Yes, yes, I know, observation has no place in IQ studies.) There are way too many smart Mexicans, doing way too many difficult things (see above) for the theory of 87 to work.

But I wander. Let us talk about crime by Mexicans. I have always had reservations about the crime business. In twelve years in Mexico I have walked without concern in a dozen cities and dozens of towns—all without incident.  I do not doubt that you have had many bad experiences in your extensive travels in Mexico. (You will of course have made such journeys.) But I have not.

Even in the US, the situation doesn’t seem to me to be as stark as you would like. Certainly the cartels are neck-deep in the drug trade, in which no whites are involved. But beyond this? In middle-class regions crime is very low, which might argue for wanting them to enter the middle class as soon as possible. ut that , and thus not in conformity with the national character.

I refer you to a study (which I vey much encourage the reading of) by the best numerical analyst of my acquaintance—Ron Unz: you may know somewhat of him, John—who concluded that Hispanic crime is not much greater than white. There is La Griffe du Lion, probably a renegade math prof at Harvard or MIT, who did an exhaustive analysis and concluded “the data show that violent crime rates for Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, though a bit higher for Hispanics, are in actual fact quite similar. As for blacks, their crime rate remains by any measure uniquely high.” Excluding the narcos (very low-class) that is the situation where I live.

Ah well. Supper calls and night falls. I will release the guard dogs, double-bolt the doors, electrify the concertina, arm the Claymores, set the alarm systems, and adjourn to the rooftop patio with my AR15 for a few Bloody Marys to ward off the ever-encroaching fear. I hope we will still be around tomorrow.

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Bea Lever
Bea Lever

EC

O Learned Beaner, you are so bright and well educated, why do you cling so hard to your genetic ties? You have some sort of complex about your heritage.Just let go and be part of the Merikan melting pot.

Oreo and Kanye are creations of the imagineers. Those people are creations to be accepted as real by Joe Six pack idiots and niggas. I hope your reference to them was sarc.

Billah's wife
Billah's wife

Oh mah gawd, El Coyote, on mah better days I do consider myself a sort of exquisite mix between Cervantes and Flannery Oconnor. On mah bad days, which are many, I mostly just try not to diarrea on mahself, and keep Billah jr safely locked in his pen (he is perpetually flinging his dooky all over the trailer so keepin his shit clean just ain’t happenin. Anyway, I agree with mah billah, brown people breed to quick and die too slow, and when the big shitstorm hits, we’re driving onter the front porch to kill us some non aryan ANUS BREATHED mongrels.

Billy
Billy

There are self-appointed guardians of Americanism that they themselves define.

Soo, who else is going to try and keep some semblance of America alive? You? The people themselves – individually and in groups – have every right to pass judgement on non-Americans in their midst. It’s OUR fucking country. And YOU get to say fuck-all about it. You can either join us, or shut the fuck up.

All it does is spoil their enjoyment of life.

Sez you. I enjoy life just fine. It’s the TOPIC OF THE FUCKING THREAD, YOU STUPID FUCKING FRIJO. It’d be different if I were just sitting and opining about shit, theyn you’d have a point. But it’s not me just sitting and opining, is it?

No one can live their life while watching somebody else’s.

Maybe where you come from, Frijo, but around here, we watch out for one another. That means watching each other’s back and taking an interest in their lives. I guess you frijo motherfuckers are only interested in a back when you can stick a knife in it…

There are low life people everywhere. And there are assholes to point them out continually as Fred says. Every major city has a section of poor, they are uncultured, filthy, ignorant, dishonest.

Relativistic horseshit. Just a variation on the whine “But, white people do that TOooooOOoooo!”

Yeah. That’s true. But let’s look at percentages, shall we? Per capita?

Yeah, that’s what I thought. Moving on.

What has race to do with poverty?

A great deal, if you’ve ever read the book “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”.

Oh.. wait…

Bottom line: If you’ve got an IQ of 65, you’d be happy – and lucky – holding down a job scrubbing shitters. If a race has a low IQ, well, I’m guessing there’s loads of lawns needing mowed, lettuce picked, shitters scrubbed, etc… moreso if that particular race refused to assimilate into the host culture, even going so far as to refuse to speak English… so there’s that.

A poor beaner or nigger can never overcome the opprobrium of a racist even if he were a church minister.

Ah, the old Word of Power “RAAAYCISS!!” makes another showing…

All this time, I’ve bashed other races based on their character and actions – or lack thereof. Some famous nigger said to judge others by the content of their character.

Okay, I did. And I found you all woefully lacking. Now you’re whining and bitching not to be judged at all…

So fuck you.

We shall also have those who hate them.

I don’t “hate” the poor. Nice try. I hate invaders, parasites, moochers, thieves, drug runners, human smugglers, criminals and fucking invaders… fuckers who break into my fucking country under cover of night, soak up all sorts of Free Shit, then have the BRASS BALLS to demand that we accommodate them…

Your trying to equate the invading fucking cockroaches with the shit that’s going down in SA is fucking RETARDED! You have no fucking clue what’s going on down there… whereas I know several people who send me emails on a regular basis, keeping me abreast of what’s going on…

Fuck you and the inner tube you rode in on. Come back and feel free to try out your bullshit at any time… I’ll be here to lay the fuckin’ smackdown on ya…

R.I.P. “Frijo”

He got REKT!

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Billy
Billy

Shocking images from cameras on Texas-Mexico border capture steady stream of illegal immigrants sneaking into the United States with packages of drugs and guns..

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3042805/Shocking-images-cameras-Texas-Mexico-border-capture-steady-stream-illegal-immigrants-sneaking-United-States-packages-drugs-guns.html

Maybe “SHOCKING!” to the Daily Fucking Mail over in Merry old England, but to folks over here?

Yeah.. ho hum… more guns, more human smuggling, more drug smuggling, more Zeta’s, more MS13, more Latin Kings, more thugs with neck and face tattoos, more murder, more mayhem….

Motherfuckers… should be “shoot on sight” anyone crossing the border like that…

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

You were so magnanimous as to consider the facts and not just the race of the person shot in the back, I too can consider your point of view and not just the beaner aspect of it as Bea says. First, let me say, I do not believe that is the real Llpoh posting here. Second, I was responding to Chi-town’s exposition of her current condition. It’s a shame that people have to live in fear but I understand fear is a good thing when surrounded by the environment that is Chicago today. Anyway, I thought later, while I was away from here, that I have not taken into consideration the experiences you have back east. I only thought you opined in ignorance of the situation her in Cali but never considered the racial animosity that exists back there until I read of your firsthand experience.
There are places in LA that are not safe to visit. They are populated with the kind of crazies described here. Our own little town has recently been blessed with cholos, low life gangbangers with their sub-culture of violence and criminality. If you rely on the media, all latinos dress in funny clothes, baggy pants and wear bandanas. That is the uniform of losers shared with blacks.
I came to this valley when the AF assigned me here, I intended to go back to beaner town but the old lady liked it here so we stayed. That was back in the early 80’s. Five years later the valley had one of its cyclical housing booms and real estate folks began hawking homes in the ‘fabulous Antelop Valley’ beaners began moving up here from ‘down below’ – LA and the same thing happened with population migration from San Berdu to the Victor Valley. Twenty years later we had the housing bubble, black families sold their hovels for around $400K and came up here where they bought brand new homes for half the price. Palmdale wa mockingly called ‘Pompton’. Some wag joked that there was a bilboard in Compton announcing section 8 homes in the Antelope Valley. There should have been an Onion logo on that one. It is not funny.
So here we are, surrounded by blacks which are becoming more and more visible out here where we are, away from the old city center. What shall we do? We are brown and that makes us seem like we just snuck in under the wire. Shit, even some new beaners have the attitude like we just got here since there are a lot of new beaners here. LA beaners can be assholes, I can relate to folks who complain of bossy beaners with shitty attitudes. We watched a fat beaner chick yell at a cashier in Sam’s, definitely an East LA beaner or maybe she was from Pacoima, those two places have a lot of gangster type beaners.
I wanted to say to Chi-town, I wish you didn’t have that fear of regular Hispanics, it almost resembles a mental issue. There was a time I let the talk here infect my opinion of strangers but then I decided it was affecting my emotional stability. I’d say get it checked out, unless it works in your favor by keeping you out of harm’s way. I certainly keep a wary eye on improperly dressed yutes of any color.
As usual, Billy, thanks for the slap down, I would not feel right if someday you were actually civil and courteous in your reply. I just want to say, I feel your pain but I cannot kill myself or auto deport to satisfy you, sorry. I have spent a lifetime feeling brown guilt over this whole ‘illegal alien’ crap. Really, we had a motley crew at one time – Italian, Irish, Black, Chink, Dutch, German, you name it, we had it, and still I could not buy one with the old boss who looked down on me as ‘the little Mexican’. When does it stop? Never. You have to apologize to every black or white or anybody who demands to know, “how me your papers”.
Did I tell you of the time I got to this new school, first grade and some asshole beaner kid asks to see my passport. He told me to bring it on the next day or he was going to get me in trouble. I ran home and asked my mom for the passport, she laughed and said, you don’t have one, your American. This threw me in a panic and when I showed up to school the next day, the little shit asked again and when I didn’t have it, he said he was going to tell the coach so I could get some swats. Asshole. Anyway, that’s the story of my life, everybody wants to deport my ass, there’s a long line starting from way back. (Are you satisfied, Bea? Have I embraced my beanerness enough for you?) Fuck it. Your just gonna have to keep hating me, I ain’t carrying any papers.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Bea Lever says: EC why do you cling so hard to your genetic ties? You have some sort of complex about your heritage.Just let go and be part of the Merikan melting pot.

What the fuck do you think I’m doing here? Clinging to my genetic ties?

starfcker
starfcker

EC, looks like you got your hands full. Here’s the little secret no one probably considers. Much as I hate NAFTA, it could have worked. The reagan economy was booming, and mexico is a huge piece of prime real estate, with at that time under a hundred million people. We could have absorbed it, more easily than most people imagine. I blame clinton for screwing it up, but that’s for another time.

Stucky

Billy

Why do you call EC a Frijo when he is a 100% legal American citizen?

I’m glad people don’t tell me to go back where I came from. Where would I go? Austria? Even though I’m an American? It can be difficult living between cultures. Glad I have light skin!

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Frijo is short for frijole – bean. I take it as a term of endearment. It’s better than the usual ‘motherfucker’. I know that being the only person here admitting beanerness I’m his lightning rod for venting about illegals. I guess I’m supposed to take notes for when we have that national illegal’s meeting..

I’m not losing sleep over Billy. My troubles have been piddling, I don’t know what Billy has endured but overall he is a good guy. We all have some cross to bear and like I said, I know he has his own worries;, we all worry about our kids and grandkids more than we worry about ourselves, it seems the country they will inherit is going to be a big challenge and dangerous as well.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

starfcker says: EC, looks like you got your hands full. Here’s the little secret no one probably considers. Much as I hate NAFTA, it could have worked.

They have myriad companies working over there. High tech stuff. While us immigrants sweep floors over here, they assemble aircraft, medical, automotive and scientific equipment over there. It isn’t the sleepy Mexico of popular imagination. And it isn’t my country anymore than Germany is Billy’s country.

Billy
Billy

As usual, Billy, thanks for the slap down, I would not feel right if someday you were actually civil and courteous in your reply.

I am not nice because the world is not a nice place.

I don’t like you because you defend the current invasion of my country.

When pushed, you flip and say “Well, I’ve been here for X years and I don’t much like it either”.

When pushed further – especially with regards to organizations like La Raza, which are openly hostile to anyone except mestizos and make no bones about their wanting to rule what is now the Western US – you distance yourself from them (“I’m not those guys”) and then equivocate (“There are assholes of all races”) as if that’s supposed to make it all better or that the invaders are all budding doctors and engineers, but they’ve not been given the chance yet… and that’s false.

I’m openly hostile to you because I still think you – having all the incarnations that you do – are the one behind BW. You deny it and that’s fine. That’s what you’re supposed to do with sock puppets – deny they’re yours, have conversations with them, use them to false flag attack someone and then claim no involvement – even sympathy – with your real ID. And I despise someone being duplicitous. There’s folks here that hate my guts, and that’s fine. But they come at me straight up. I at least respect them for that. If I ever find out who is behind it – and it turns out to be not you – then you will have my apologies. But, until then…

And I dislike mestizos in general. If we were beaten fair and square in open combat against an invading army, I could at least understand and accept it. Even respect it.

But to be replaced by a bunch of squat, brown, smelly, stupid invaders just through weight of numbers – aided and abetted by my own fucking government – is intolerable. I didn’t give the best years of my life to my country so that they could give it away uncontested to an invading army of stupid, low IQ parasites.

To give away your country is one thing. To give it away – and then to be forced to pay the invaders – the indignity of taking it from us via Free Shit – is suicidal, bordering on insanity and a huge betrayal. And I take getting betrayed very, very seriously…

You do not humiliate a proud and capable people for years on end and expect anything good to come from it. Or for them to quietly accept the genocide being forced on them. And being displaced, ethnically cleansed from geographical areas – on purpose, by design and admitted to be true by those doing it – picked on, murdered, exploited and shamed for feeling resentful about the whole thing, and expect us to do nothing and be quiet about it? Heh…

You have no idea the depth and breadth of my fury. And I am not alone. Usually, I push it away or lock it down and just get on with my life… as much as I rage here, I have mastered my emotions. I simply use TBP as a pressure valve sometimes. That does not mean I act like that all the time. Stoicism, remember?

My son told me I’m too mean to die. I told him that I will fight to the last breath. And that when death finally comes for me, I’ll kick him in the balls and run the other way.

Billy
Billy

Why do you call EC a Frijo when he is a 100% legal American citizen? – Stucky

Same as I call you a big gallomping öshi. “öshi” isn’t a particularly nice term of endearment when said to a stranger…

Same as anyone calling me a Kraut or whatever. Or Wop, Dago, Ofay, Paddy, Frog, Spic, Chink, Blanket Ass, Spook, Spade, or any other colorful name anyone calls anyone else here…

Doesn’t mean he’s not 100% American. It does mean I don’t particularly like him and to keep things fresh and funny – at least to me – I try to think up new names from time to time.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

Billy- You forgot Spearchucker and Junglebunny.

Billy
Billy

Bea,

Here..

http://www.rsdb.org/

Oh, and one of my favorite movies… heh.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Billy says: I’m openly hostile to you because I still think you – having all the incarnations that you do – are the one behind BW.

You don’t like my opinions, I don’t like your position on most issues except faggots, Billy fucking Badass.

Of all the unfair accusations! (I-S claimed I’m bb) I don’t have the time or brain power to come up with the stuff they do. BW is revolting and at times mildly disgusting, he has attacked me and beaners in general – why would I disparage myself to throw you off the scent? Am I afraid of you? Are you that important in my life? If you go back and look at my ‘sock puppets’ – nothing I said then concerns your High (Aryan) Buttocks or I-S.

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