Charleston Shooter Was on Drug Linked to Violent Outbursts

Dylann Storm Roof was taking habit-forming drug suboxone

Charleston Shooter Was on Drug Linked to Violent Outbursts

Guest Post by Paul Joseph Watson

Charleston shooter Dylann Storm Roof was reportedly taking a drug that has been linked with sudden outbursts of violence, fitting the pattern of innumerable other mass shooters who were on or had recently come off pharmaceutical drugs linked to aggression.

According to a CBS News report, earlier this year when cops searched Roof after he was acting suspiciously inside a Bath and Body Works store, they found “orange strips” that Roof told officers was suboxone, a narcotic that is used to treat opiate addiction.

Suboxone is a habit-forming drug that has been connected with sudden outbursts of aggression.

A user on the MD Junction website relates how her husband “became violent, smashing things and threatening me,” after just a few days of coming off suboxone.

Another poster on the Drugs.com website tells the story of how his personality completely changed as a result of taking suboxone.

The individual relates how he became “nasty” and “violent” just weeks into taking the drug, adding that he would “snap” and be mean to people for no reason.

Another poster reveals how his son-in-law “completely changed on suboxone,” and that the drug sent him into “self-destruct mode.”

A user named ‘Jhalloway’ also tells the story of how her husband’s addiction to suboxone was “ruining our life.”

A poster on a separate forum writes about how he became “horribly aggressive” towards his partner after taking 8mg of suboxone.

According to a Courier-Journal report, suboxone “is increasingly being abused, sold on the streets and inappropriately prescribed” by doctors. For users, it is even more addictive than the drugs it’s supposed to help them quit.

As we previously highlighted, virtually every major mass shooter was taking some form of SSRI or other pharmaceutical drug at the time of their attack, including Columbine killer Eric Harris, ‘Batman’ shooter James Holmes and Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza.

As the website SSRI Stories profusely documents, there are literally hundreds of examples of mass shootings, murders and other violent episodes that have been committed by individuals on psychiatric drugs over the past three decades.

Pharmaceutical giants who produce drugs like Zoloft, Prozac and Paxil spend around $2.4 billion dollars a year on direct-to-consumer television advertising every year. By running negative stories about prescription drugs, networks risk losing tens of millions of dollars in ad revenue, which is undoubtedly one of the primary reasons why the connection is habitually downplayed or ignored entirely.


 

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Persnickety
Persnickety

The fact that psychoactive prescription drugs is turning mildly depressed people into psycho-killers is EXACTLY why we have to ban guns, ban ammo, suspend the bill of rights, outlaw white people, and turn over lots more money to the pharmaceutical companies.

C’mon, do it for the children!

Capn Mike
Capn Mike

So, was his drug bust for the suboxone, or was he prescribed it do treat his addiction to opiates? That would be interesting to know.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster

It makes sense that Big Pharma would team up with the gun control fucks. Ban these personality-altering drugs, not guns.

card802
card802

None of this will matter, facts don’t matter, truth doesn’t matter. The fucknuts are planting the seed and soon to be pissing all other the rest of us while the minority scream: The problem is racism and guns.

“We don’t have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting a gun.” obama said.

“Hate has once again been let loose in an American community. Drunken Joe said….

“We have to face hard truths about race, violence, guns and division,” Clinton said …..

“How many innocent people in our country from little children, church members to movie theater attendees, how many people do we need to see cut down before we act?” Clinton said…..

“So as we mourn and as our hearts break a little more, we will not forsake those who have been victimized by gun violence, this time we have to find answers together,” Clinton said…..

“I pledge to you I will work with you, Let’s unite in partnership, not just to talk but to act.” Clinton said…

Vote for hilary and she promises to stop racism and gun violence. The vote is some strong Ju-Ju

kokoda
kokoda

Big Pharma had major input to the design to the UNaffordable Care Act. The establishment politicians will do anything for the Mega-Corp’s.

bb

Glad I live in a pro gun state with it’s share of black crime. Perhaps whites will realize with these negrows committing most of the crime it will be in their interests to keep a gun or two.That’s one thing great about black violence and crime. It tends to wake people up.

Persnickety
Persnickety

@card: I think an increasing number of us just don’t give a fuck any more. And whatever happens it isn’t going to change our views.

The situation is rapidly setting up for a civil war here. Unfortunately I’m certain that this is exactly what the elites want, and they have a plan for it. Very dark clouds on the horizon.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

Persnickety- I welcome a civil war at this point, a good house cleaning is well overdue. Just remember this time will be different if it’s North against South because there are no gallant gentlemen left in the southern states. The rebel camp is fed up and pissed off…..and yes, we blame the north for bringing this plague upon us.

Persnickety
Persnickety

@Bea: it won’t be north/south, it will be a million times more complicated than that. Some sort of mix of Bleeding Kansas, Sarajevo, Zimbabwe c. 2003, Rwanda, and who knows what else, with police, drones, bio warfare, etc. etc.

The elites have been deliberately “poking the bear” for more than two decades now, trying to get a certain reaction. It’s been an incredibly long time in coming, really. The problem is that they specifically want this, and since they don’t seem to be stupid in all ways, they must have some sort of a plan. The old saying is that no plan survives contact with the enemy, but they at least have some ideas, and it’s not going to be pleasant for you, me, or anyone else. There are tons of obvious and publicly advertised ways that they can make life horrible. Chances are there are tons more not disclosed. I get the feeling that the last 15 years in the mideast have been a sort of practice run.

fear&loathing

are we seeing an arch duke day, greece is big trouble, putin really pissed about asset freeze and now this. is the 4th turning arriving on schedule?

Anonymous
Anonymous

If you actually get to greet and talk to a politician running for office this year ask him or her this simple question: “Since all these mass shootings have been done by people on psychiatric drugs and usually starting in elementary school, what do you plan to do about getting rid of them?”. (Phrase it your own way, the way you speak)

Do it as publicly as possible so his or her response will be public, but don’t expect any kind of real answer.

Don’t even bother to ask about those political interests promoting racial division and hatred for political purposes, that might get you on a terrorist suspect list or just arrested.

taxSlave
taxSlave

No, drugs have nothing to do with it. Our Dear Leader, Lord and Savior said it was “the Guns” that did it.

I am watching my guns very carefully now, just in case one of them decides to go off and shoot without me touching it.

indialantic
indialantic

The bodies weren’t even cold yet and Skippy’s on the tube talking gun control. They even pulled Senile Joe out of the sanitarium for a few minutes just for the occasion.

Stucky

My son was on psychotropic drugs ….. it COMPLETELY changed his personality. Fortunately not towards violence. Once he stopped taking them it took over 6 months to “get him back”. These drugs hurt more people than they help.

Zarathustra

This young man really fucked the dog. Had he kept his nose clean with his character he could have become President.

overthecliff

The drugs are a symptom not a cause. He is just a Kardasian wannabe dickhead who was looking for his 15 minutes of notoriety.

SSS

I follow this issue VERY closely. More and more people are waking up to the dangers of psychotropic drugs and adolescents/young adults. Not just thousands of people, but hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions.

And I give full credit to the Internet and the many credible, alternative sources of news such as this great website. Screw the mainstream media and the hundreds of millions of dollars they rake in from Big Pharma advertising. And screw the anti-gun elected officials whose campaign coffers are loaded up by donations from Big Pharma.

I am confident that we will eventually prevail in waking up the general public about psychotropic drugs, and the issue will one day be front-and-center on the political stage as these violent, mass killings continue unabated. Maybe that’s a Pollyanna view, but I’m hoping it comes true.

SSS

This just in. International Business Times quotes a high school classmate of Dylann Roof. “He was a drug user. Heavier than marijuana. A real pill popper. Stuff like Xanax.”

Well, isn’t that special? As they say in Spanish,”Que sorpresa.” What a surprise!

Michelle
Michelle

OMG this is crap! Blaming the drugs and not the person. Here is some information on one of the drugs the guy was on. All drugs have side effects. I was a Pharmaceutical Rep for 15 years and I am now a Paramedic, please don’t blame the drugs. The drug that you are blaming is an opioid antagonist or drug that doesn’t allow for any opiates to bind to the opiate receptors. This is not a psychotropic drug, not a mind altering drug, this is actually a life saver drug. So this person was an addict and if he shot up heroin it with have no effect on him. I have saved lives from OD’s with Naltrexone. Drug addicts that were blue and not breathing have been brought back by this drug. FACTS folks, get the facts. Suboxone contains a combination of buprenorphine and naloxone. The naloxone is the antagonist and the Buprenorphine is a semisynthetic opioid derivative of thebaine. The shooter was an ex addict, his behavior could of been for many reasons. But suboxone saves addicts everyday, so please refrain from painting these broad strokes and claiming it was the drugs fault. What are you the defense lawyer? Big Pharma is not to blame, the person that shoots 9 people is to blame.
Big Pharma saves lives every day: What do you do if you have an infection = take an antibiotic, what do you do when you have cancer growing in you = take chemo.

Stucky

Michelle

You may have left Big Pharma physically …. but they still have your mind. Those indoctrination training sessions must be very powerful.

You talk gibberish (to me, a non-drug rep pusher) about suboxone basicallly being harmless for the most part. Yet, there are testimonies all over the place from people who have taken it, and how it messed them up. Who should I believe? A former drug pusher, or a former drug taker? Such a conundrum!

Anon
Anon

Pharmaceutical company rep = drug pusher who doesn’t face prison time

Modern pharma companies are probably the most evil legal business around in the US today, ahead of all kinds of banking, weapons making, porn, etc. Even ahead of private prisons although those are a close second.

Zarathustra

I’m sure Michelle is right and there is no connection:

As WND has reported, Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof was a known drug user who was caught with the powerful mind-altering narcotic Suboxone when apprehended by police during an incident on Feb. 28.

Suboxone is used to treat addiction to opioid drugs such as heroin. It’s adverse effects include anxiety, irritability, depersonalization, confusion, suicidal thoughts and irrational, sometimes violent behavior.

Other drugs linked to mass killers have more often been geared toward treating mental illness. According to a data set of U.S. mass shootings from 1982-2012 prepared by Mother Jones magazine, of 62 mass shootings carried out by 64 shooters, the majority of the shooters (41) were noted to have signs of possible mental illness — the precise kinds of mental illnesses that psychotropic medications are prescribed for.

It is a well-documented fact that in the 1980s, a shift occurred in the direction of treating the mentally ill. Rather than institutionalize them, the preferred method was to “mainstream” them, encouraging them to function in society while being treated with a mind-numbing array of new anti-depressants being developed by the pharmaceutical industry.

WND has compiled a list of killings committed by persons who had used mind-altering drugs or recently come off of them at the time of their crimes:

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Ex-Marine Bradley Stone
Ex-Marine Bradley Stone
Bradley Stone, a former Marine in suburban Philadelphia, shot and killed his ex-wife Nicole Stone, her mother and her grandmother, and he ‘chopped’ Nicole’s sister, her husband and their 14-year-old daughter to death with an ax. Nicole Stone’s 17-year-old nephew was the lone survivor of the three-home massacre. Stone was being treated for mental health issues. After the six slayings, he committed suicide with a lethal mixture of depressants, antidepressants and schizophrenia medications, his autopsy revealed. Police found Bradley Stone’s body in the woods a week before Christmas, 2014, a day after he killed his six victims, police told the New York Daily News.

Aaron Ray Ybarra, 26, of Mountlake Terrace, Washington, allegedly opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University in June 2014, killing one student and wounding two others. Ybarra said then he “feels he identifies with one of the Columbine killers, whom he identified as Eric Harris,” counselor Deldene J. Garner wrote later in a chemical dependency assessment filed in Edmonds Municipal Court. Ybarra had been referred to the counselor following his arrest in July 2012 for driving drunk on an Edmonds sidewalk. He reported “being diagnosed with Psychosis and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder,” the report said. On occasion, “voices scared him,” Ybarra told the counselor. He said he’d been prescribed with Prozac and Risperdal to help him with his problems.
Jose Reyes, the Nevada seventh-grader who went on a shooting rampage at his school in October 2013 was taking a prescription antidepressant at the time, and had told a psychotherapist that he was teased at school, the Associated Press reported. Reyes, 12, opened fire Oct. 21 at Sparks Middle School, killing a teacher and wounding two classmates before committing suicide. His doctor had prescribed 10 mg of Prozac once daily, according to police reports. Toxicology reports indicated that at the time of autopsy the suspect had a generic form of Prozac, Fluoxetine in his system consistent with the prescription given.
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Adam Lanza
Adam Lanza
Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old shooter who killed 20 students and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14 in Newtown, Connecticut, had been prescribed several psychiatric drugs, including Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine, the Business Insider reported. “Fanapt is one of a many drugs the FDA pumped out with an ability to exact the opposite desired effect on people: that is, you know, inducing rather than inhibiting psychosis and aggressive behavior,” Business Insider reported.
Reno Hospital shooter Alan Oliver Frazier, 51, killed his doctor and wounded one other person before killing himself in December 2013 in Reno, Nevada. Frazier took Prozac but didn’t like being dependent on the medication and would sometimes stop using it, his ex-girlfriend told the Associated Press.
Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis sprayed bullets at office workers and in a cafeteria on Sept. 16, 2013, killing 13 people including himself. Alexis had been prescribed Trazodone by his Veterans Affairs doctor. Trazadone is a generic antidepressant that is seldom used anymore to treat depression but is widely prescribed for insomnia, experts told the Washington Post.
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James Holmes
James Holmes
Aurora movie theater shooter James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58 in the July 20, 2012, tragedy in Aurora, Colorado. Thirty-eight days before the attack, the psychiatrist treating suspect James Holmes told a police officer that her patient had confessed homicidal thoughts and was a danger to the public, according to court documents unsealed in April 2013 and reported on by the Denver Post. The psychiatrist, Dr. Lynne Fenton, also told the officer that Holmes had stopped seeing her and had been threatening her in text messages and e-mails, the documents state. The officer, Lynn Whitten, responded by deactivating Holmes’ key-card access to secure areas of University of Colorado medical campus buildings, according to search-warrant affidavits. Police found medications in his apartment, including sedatives and the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam. They also found the antidepressant sertraline, the generic version of the antidepressant Zoloft.
A 20-year-old woman accused of opening fire and shooting three people in a Gig Harbor, Washington, grocery was charged with murder in October 2012, after one of the victims died. Laura Sorenson appeared in Pierce County Superior Court, where prosecutors filed a charge of first-degree murder against her two months after the death of David Long, 40. Sorenson is accused of walking into the Peninsula Market just before 1 p.m. on Aug. 11, 2012 and firing at customers until she was tackled to the ground. Witnesses told police that Sorenson said something about “killing” people prior to pulling out a revolver from her purse and firing four to five shots. After the shooting, Sorenson revealed to detectives she has a mental condition and is on medication, court documents said, adding she wanted to kill herself and wanted to know what it felt like to kill someone else first, the Komo News reported.
The mentally ill gunman who killed a worker and wounded several others at a University of Pittsburgh Medical Center psychiatric hospital in March 2012 had previously threatened staff at an affiliated hospital with a baseball bat. Medical records and other information show 30-year-old John Shick, held a grudge, believing he had misdiagnosed illnesses ranging from a bad ankle to pancreatitis to erectile dysfunction, Allegheny County District Attorney Stephen Zappala Jr. said. Shick twice went to UPMC Shadyside hospital in February with the bat and threatened the staff, and yet Pittsburgh police were not called, Zappala told the Associated Press. Zappala said investigators hadn’t yet determined why Shick targeted UPMC’s Western Psychiatric Institute and Clinic, where he was treated twice after he was kicked off the Duquesne University campus for harassing female students with repeated requests for dates. At the second visit, a clinic doctor urged Shick to resume medication for schizophrenia — after his mother told doctors he stopped taking it months before. Shick walked out and skipped a follow-up appointment in December.” His contacts at UPMC began to get more serious and disturbing after that,” said Deputy District Mark Tranquilli, who handles homicide cases for Zappala. In Shick’s apartment, investigators found 43 drugs used to treat 20 conditions, from anti-depressants to medicines for intestinal worms.
Mohamed Merah fell in a hail of bullets in a March 22, 2012 raid after shooting seven people at a Jewish school in Toulouse, France, after telling police who sought his surrender that he regretted not “going back to the Jewish school” which would have enabled him to kill more children, according to comments reported by the French newspaper Journal du Dimanche. Merah had been prescribed psychotropic drugs and sleep aides “to calm his stress,” a doctor said.
It was reported in March 2012 that Staff Sgt. Robert Bales had killed 15 innocent civilians in Afghanistan, a horrific crime that men in his unit said went beyond the pale even for someone suffering from PTSD. It was later revealed by his wife that Bales was being treated with anti-depressants. She and her husband were both on antidepressants, “as is the rest of the army population….okay maybe not everyone. Just the ones that have been in for several years now, the ones who will actually admit when things are really screwed up,” she told the Daily Beast.
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Anders Breveik of Norway spent a year playing “World of War Craft” and was being treated with anti-depressants.
Anders Breivik of Norway spent a year playing “World of War Craft” and was being treated with a cocktail of pharmaceuticals.
Anders Breivik, known as Norway’s “laughing gunman,” killed 92 people, many of them children, in 2011. Norway officials amassed pages and pages of analysis of the horrific crime, but almost nobody noticed that the smirking Breivik was taking large quantities of mind-altering chemicals, the Daily Mail reported. In this case, the substances are an anabolic steroid called stanozolol, combined with an amphetamine-like drug called ephedrine, plus caffeine. The authorities and most of the media were more interested in his non-existent belief in fundamentalist Christianity, the Mail reported.

Anabolic steroids were also used heavily by David Bieber, who killed one policeman and tried to kill two more in Leeds, England, in 2003, and by Raoul Moat, who last summer shot three people in Northumberland, killing one and blinding another. Steroids are strongly associated with mood changes, uncontrollable anger and many other problems.
Jeff Weise, culprit of the 2005 Red Lake High School shootings, had been taking “antidepressants.”
Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox – like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. Harris and fellow student Dylan Klebold went on a hellish school shooting rampage in 1999 during which they killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 24 others before turning their guns on themselves. Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox – that’s 1 in 25 – developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.
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Eric Harris
Columbine shooter Eric Harris
Patrick Purdy went on a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989, which became the catalyst for the original legislative frenzy to ban “semiautomatic assault weapons” in California and the nation. The 25-year-old Purdy, who murdered five children and wounded 30, had been on Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Ore., and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.
In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.
In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Kurt Danysh, 18, shot his own father to death in 1996, a little more than two weeks after starting on Prozac. Danysh’s description of own his mental-emotional state at the time of the murder is chilling: “I didn’t realize I did it until after it was done,” Danysh said. “This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun.”
John Hinckley, then age 25, took four Valium two hours before shooting and almost killing President Ronald Reagan in 1981. In the assassination attempt, Hinckley also wounded press secretary James Brady, Secret Service agent Timothy McCarthy and policeman Thomas Delahanty.
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Andrea Yates
Andrea Yates
Andrea Yates, in one of the most heartrending crimes in modern history, drowned all five of her children – aged 7 years down to 6 months – in the family bathtub near Houston. Insisting inner voices commanded her to kill her children, she had become increasingly psychotic over the course of several years. At her 2006 murder re-trial (after a 2002 guilty verdict was overturned on appeal), Yates’ longtime friend Debbie Holmes testified: “She asked me if I thought Satan could read her mind and if I believed in demon possession.” And Dr. George Ringholz, after evaluating Yates for two days, recounted an experience she had after the birth of her first child: “What she described was feeling a presence … Satan … telling her to take a knife and stab her son Noah,” Ringholz said, adding that Yates’ delusion at the time of the bathtub murders was not only that she had to kill her children to save them, but that Satan had entered her and that she had to be executed in order to kill Satan.Yates had been taking the antidepressant Effexor. In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.”
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Christopher Pittman murdered his grandparents at age 12.
Christopher Pittman murdered his grandparents at age 12 and was sentenced to 30 years, a punishment his defenders said was excessive for someone his age who was being given heavy doses of anti-depressants leading up to the shooting.
12-year-old Christopher Pittman struggled in court to explain why he murdered his grandparents, who had provided the only love and stability he’d ever known in his turbulent life. “When I was lying in my bed that night,” he testified, “I couldn’t sleep because my voice in my head kept echoing through my mind telling me to kill them.” Christopher had been angry with his grandfather, who had disciplined him earlier that day for hurting another student during a fight on the school bus. So later that night, on Nov. 28, 2001, he shot both of his grandparents in the head with a .410 shotgun as they slept, then burned down their South Carolina home, where he had lived with them. “I got up, got the gun, and I went upstairs and I pulled the trigger,” he recalled. “Through the whole thing, it was like watching your favorite TV show. You know what is going to happen, but you can’t do anything to stop it.” Pittman’s lawyers would later argue that the boy had been a victim of “involuntary intoxication.” They said his 30-year sentence was excessive for someone his age and claimed the “heavy doses of anti-depressants he was taking sent his mind spinning out of control.” Doctors had him on Paxil and Zoloft just prior to the murders. Paxil’s known “adverse drug reactions” – according to the drug’s FDA-approved label – include “mania,” “insomnia,” “anxiety,” “agitation,” “confusion,” “amnesia,” “depression,” “paranoid reaction,” “psychosis,” “hostility,” “delirium,” “hallucinations,” “abnormal thinking,” “depersonalization” and “lack of emotion,” among others.
The preceding examples are some of the best-known offenders who had been taking prescribed psychiatric drugs before committing their violent crimes – there are many others logged at SSRI Stories: Anti-Depressant Nightmares.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers/#77mVPOZQAe4M5lOO.99

Billah's wife
Billah's wife

As one of the long time official posters here who has been involved in many many in depth cut to the boner discussions here on this illustrious site, I feel it incumbent on me to say, having seen a picture of Stucky’s pockmarked doo diddled face, this shooter looks a hell of uh lot like a young Stucky. Even the hair. Admit it you lumbering oaf.

Maggie
Maggie

After my husband slept drove into a concrete barrier in a rental car after telling me he was going to sleep, having taken half an Ambien, prescribed by his doctor to help with insomnia, we did our research and discovered that not only are many of these psychotropic drugs prescribed for reasons other than what they were intended for use, many of them, like the Ambien are prescribed for lengths of time not recommended.

Why are these drugs still available?

And in a somewhat related issue, why did my husband have to wait for two weeks until he actually had a consult with an Ortho surgeon who will repair his torn meniscus to get any pain medicine? I realize that people tend to abuse the painkillers, but his primary care doctor seemed to be afraid to prescribe it for him, telling him some odd story about people selling it or trading it for meth and that new prescriptions for painkillers require all kinds of paperwork.

So, let me see if I’ve got this straight: Doctors can prescribe these powerful antidepressant drugs to young teens in dosages beyond that of adults, and they can prescribe multiple types of these psychotropic medications at the same time without any “evidence” that they will help or without any real diagnosis.

But, when you have a man who simply needs to get some pain relief until the abrasive edges of the meniscus are smoothed so there isn’t constant grinding on his knee, and since it will be a week or so until that surgery can happen, needs some pain medication to ease the pain while he sleeps, it requires three doctors, an MRI and practically an act of Congress to get 20 pills to get him through the weekend.

The whole world has gone insane.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Billah’s wife says: As one of the long time official posters here who has been involved in many many in depth cut to the boner discussions here on this illustrious site, I feel it incumbent on me to say, having seen a picture of Stucky’s pockmarked doo diddled face…

1. Long time poster, many discussions, are you SAH?
2. Pockmarked, that would be me and I haven’t felt an urge to go on a random killing spree.

Zarathustra

moar, from LRC.com:

Manasquan, NJ –-(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.

Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. http://www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.

The following list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske’s death and his “outting” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons?

I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.

From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved with several 9/11 hijackers obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car, to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80’s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA’s mind control research program MKULTRA.

After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony. In 1994, Olson’s sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr’s team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson’s death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.

As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate. On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.

Don’t let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don’t stop hounding them until they do.

Reprinted with permission from AmmoLand.com.

Zarathustra

SSS says:

I follow this issue VERY closely. More and more people are waking up to the dangers of psychotropic drugs and adolescents/young adults. Not just thousands of people, but hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions.

And I give full credit to the Internet and the many credible, alternative sources of news such as this great website. Screw the mainstream media and the hundreds of millions of dollars they rake in from Big Pharma advertising. And screw the anti-gun elected officials whose campaign coffers are loaded up by donations from Big Pharma.

I am confident that we will eventually prevail in waking up the general public about psychotropic drugs, and the issue will one day be front-and-center on the political stage as these violent, mass killings continue unabated. Maybe that’s a Pollyanna view, but I’m hoping it comes true.
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Back in the day, he would have just taken LSD, had a bad trip and jumped off a bridge. No harm, no foul.

IndenturedServant

SSS said:
“And I give full credit to the Internet and the many credible, alternative sources of news such as this great website. Screw the mainstream media and the hundreds of millions of dollars they rake in from Big Pharma advertising. And screw the anti-gun elected officials whose campaign coffers are loaded up by donations from Big Pharma.”

I just found this the other day SSS. http://www.goodgopher.com/ Looks interesting especially for those who’ve sworn off google.

SSS

@ Michelle

The young mass killers have one thing in common: psychotropic drugs. Their brains are STILL maturing, and these drugs are turning them into homicidal maniacs. Period.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

I/S

What do you think of STARTPAGE search engine, I have been using it for years instead of GOOGLE which is really .gov project? STARTPAGE is based in the Netherlands.

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