No, not only because people are dumbed down but they are too dependent.
Try to reason with people that can’t manage their own finances without taking a loan out with a credit card to buy a happy meal that they could build a road, or fund a fire department or manage their own retirement without a government taking taxes from them to do it.
People have no concept what their taxes are used for, they can’t even comprehend that their taxes are used to pay people to take their money! I’m just about out of fucks to give.
Southern Sage
July 28, 2015 8:20 am
No, Libertarianism can’t work for the simple reason that a Libertarian society requires that virtually all the people be reasonably intelligent, hard-working, sober (most of the time), rational, non-violent, thoughtful, and with strong moral foundations. If you know of a place where such a population exists, please write Southern Sage immediately.
The above is why I am not a Libertarian although I share many beliefs with them. In a country overrun with savages the market or letting everybody just do his thing will result in mass murder and utter destruction.
I love Lew Rockwell and read his blog every day but I recently read a column by Bill Bonner that made my blood boil. He referred to people who prefer a steady job with a regular paycheck as “zombies”. He spun nonsense about the joys of being an Uber driver or working part-time and temp jobs because it gives you freedom.
Yeah, Bonner, if you are sitting on a pile of money, as I suspect you are, it sure sounds nice. Try raising a family that way. Your so-called “freedom” is nothing more than an excuse for a gang of greedy bastards to pile up yet more money off the ribs of those who lacked the foresight to become millionaires.
Freedom is fine but the Founding Fathers were wise. They knew what men were really like – half of them had spent their lives beating profits out of slaves or making gold shipping them over the ocean. Government by a moral, patriotic, intelligent, educated population is the best we will ever get.
Not that we will see that ever again…………………
BEA LEVER
July 28, 2015 9:00 am
No, Not possible. Until education is independent of the control of centralized government and the air waves are no longer controlled by a few corporations, a move to less government is very unlikely.
harry p.
July 28, 2015 9:10 am
Nope, my guess is 10% (or even less) actually embrace true freedom. The vast majority are sheep waiting to be led and told when to wipe their asses.
Then there are another 10% who are control freak sociopaths (we call them politicians) who seek to control the masses for their benefit.
The libertarian 10% don’t want to control others or be controlled themsleves so they dont seek power but the sociopathic 10% do so they get it from the moronic masses begging to be slaves.
And f bonner for that assessment, freedom is the ability to choose, he is redefining everyones optimim freedom as his own ideal. What a crock.
Tommy
July 28, 2015 10:05 am
Yes, because necessity is the Mother of invention – and I’d add adaptation.
starfcker
July 28, 2015 11:07 am
No. Libertarians are freaks. 90%+ have homosexual cravings they spend every waking minute trying to control, without much success. They often cry over their white privilege. Most don’t use deodorant or brush their teeth. As a group, they still think obama is one of them.
Bea Lever
July 28, 2015 12:50 pm
Star – Is that sarc or are you drinking this early in the day?
Back in PA Mike
July 28, 2015 1:03 pm
Star, poor sarcasm, even for you. Libertarians are much more intelligent than the general populace.
NickelthroweR
July 28, 2015 1:45 pm
Greetings,
One of the big problems that the US has had in its occupations over the last 70 years is that Democracy only works if you have a large middle class. You can not go into a country where there is nothing but the very rich and the very poor and expect democracy to take hold. The poor will vote themselves the wealth held by the rich and the rich will use their power to oppress the poor. Only when the middle class outnumbers both the rich and the poor can this system work.
The biggest reason why Libertarianism wont work is that we no longer have much of a middle class anymore. Farmers and craftsmen understand government because they live it each and every day. They must plan and budget and make executive decisions or their businesses will fail. Unfortunately, someone that works for corporation X and does the minimum necessary to keep the job doesn’t understand these things and neither does the FSA.
I expect the USA to resemble France in the coming years as the Union Drones and the FSA gobble up everything. The chances of a Libertarian philosophy taking hold in a nation like ours is about the same as it would be in Greece.
Stucky
July 28, 2015 1:56 pm
NO. (go watch Mark Dice interviews).
Also, the reasons most everyone else gave. Really great answers (except Tommy and star).
yahsure
July 28, 2015 2:21 pm
Star doesn’t understand what a Libertarian is. No, most of our pussified society is begging to be controlled. Global warming is a good example of this. Agenda 21 will eventually be forced on the masses.Many will be begging to be enslaved.All to save a planet that doesn’t need saving.
The great cull will come after the economic collapse that will happen eventually.
Tommy
July 28, 2015 3:07 pm
@Stucky, to simple and straightforward way for you?
Westcoaster
July 28, 2015 3:19 pm
Although I voted Libertarian for Harry Browne and worked on his campaign, I seriously don’t think Libertarians could be successful even if a presidential candidate was elected. There is too much corruption in play to keep the present system going.
It’s going to take something very dramatic to change the course of the U.S. As in EMP, Yellowstone blows up, or an ICBM launch off the coast of California (no, wait, that already happened and was covered up)!
Stucky
July 28, 2015 4:30 pm
“@Stucky, to simple and straightforward way for you?” ———- Tommy
Nope. Your original comment — “Yes, because necessity is the Mother of INVENTION – ” — makes zero sense when applied to politics.
The key to that phrase is the word I capitalized for you … “INVENTION”. The simple meaning of that proverb is that great inventions are the outcome of the invented THING being necessary.
You are certainly free to misapply the meaning of a proverb …. just as I am free to reject it.
Tommy
July 28, 2015 4:36 pm
In a libertarian world, a world without the FSA…..you don’t think there would be some re-learning, re-education, re-thinking? Social security recipients cut in half with benefits cut in half, bullshit gold plated pensions that go poof……sounds like some serious fucking necessity to me.
Stucky
July 28, 2015 4:45 pm
Tommy
Great.
What is being INVENTED? What is the THING?
Stop trying to justify your forcing the meaning of a proverb into something that doesn’t make sense.
Tommy
July 28, 2015 5:08 pm
I see the vernacular of invention eludes you, how about serendipity? Fuck, you actually think an invention is a noun…….you’re beyond help.
Stucky
July 28, 2015 8:12 pm
Tommy
Regardless of the true meaning of the proverb (which you will never fully understand), you PREMISE itself is unreasonable, illogical, and hopelessly the stuff of Pollyanna.
You’re saying — “Donald Trump can win because his winning is a necessity.”
How foolish a wish is that?? Eliminating the debt is a necessity. Double tapping Pelosi is a necessity. Getting rid of an annual trillion dollar military is a necessity. And, so on and on. How often does necessity solve government problems? 99% of the time “necessity” just makes things worse. And now you think The Donald can win because it’s necessary? Please, tell me you’re kidding all along.
BTW, I DO know what a fuckin’ noun is … and one more crack like that and I’m leaving for a week.
Tommy
July 28, 2015 11:14 pm
You Can’t change the premise of your bitch midstream. You’re wrong you dumb fucking boomer, own it. And no, you don’t get to reframe my point of view to align with your next best…..I’m fucking dead on balls accurate and you are sliding down a greasy pole in your underwear. Go renew your AARP membership, down a shot of geritol and call me in the morning.
Overthecliff
July 29, 2015 1:21 am
Nope.
bb
July 29, 2015 1:26 am
No ,libertarianism is just another Godless secular atheistic ideology with a free market twist.
Chris Webb
July 29, 2015 6:23 am
It depends. If the state was simply eliminated, then no, society would be completely crushed from its infantile dependency. However, if the government is simply made moot by technology and private services (for example: bitcoin replacing the dollar, the blockchain replacing notary publics and document authentication, private security replacing copfucks, etc, then yes, libertarianism can succeed. The key is that the average person has to have their needs met.
starfcker
July 29, 2015 7:01 am
Chris webb says something coherent. Thumbs up
Gator
July 29, 2015 7:51 am
No, it’s too far gone for that. The average American is too hopelessly stupid for this to possibly end well. The dependent class is also WAY to big for that transition. Taking away the wealth transfer will result in the pavement apes burning every major city to the ground.
That being said, it’s going to happen eventually, one way or another. The economic system here is a fragile house of cards that is built on nothing but debt and confidence. Once that collapses, and I will, we have two ways to go- a MASSIVE, oppressive, violent police state(for those who would say we are already there- no, not yet, in infrastructure is getting in place, but so far the iron fiat still wears a velvet glove), or a great decentralization that comes from the inability of govt to sustain itself, which would result in a much more libertarian society(Gary north has written along these lines).
No matter how it plays out, there will be massive riots and a lot of pain for everyone, but the govt is either going to grow even bigger and more oppressive, or collapse in on itself and exist as a much smaller, decentralized state. So while I do agree with y’all that no, most people can’t handle a libertarian society, it sure as hell beats the alternative.
No, not only because people are dumbed down but they are too dependent.
Try to reason with people that can’t manage their own finances without taking a loan out with a credit card to buy a happy meal that they could build a road, or fund a fire department or manage their own retirement without a government taking taxes from them to do it.
People have no concept what their taxes are used for, they can’t even comprehend that their taxes are used to pay people to take their money! I’m just about out of fucks to give.
No, Libertarianism can’t work for the simple reason that a Libertarian society requires that virtually all the people be reasonably intelligent, hard-working, sober (most of the time), rational, non-violent, thoughtful, and with strong moral foundations. If you know of a place where such a population exists, please write Southern Sage immediately.
The above is why I am not a Libertarian although I share many beliefs with them. In a country overrun with savages the market or letting everybody just do his thing will result in mass murder and utter destruction.
I love Lew Rockwell and read his blog every day but I recently read a column by Bill Bonner that made my blood boil. He referred to people who prefer a steady job with a regular paycheck as “zombies”. He spun nonsense about the joys of being an Uber driver or working part-time and temp jobs because it gives you freedom.
Yeah, Bonner, if you are sitting on a pile of money, as I suspect you are, it sure sounds nice. Try raising a family that way. Your so-called “freedom” is nothing more than an excuse for a gang of greedy bastards to pile up yet more money off the ribs of those who lacked the foresight to become millionaires.
Freedom is fine but the Founding Fathers were wise. They knew what men were really like – half of them had spent their lives beating profits out of slaves or making gold shipping them over the ocean. Government by a moral, patriotic, intelligent, educated population is the best we will ever get.
Not that we will see that ever again…………………
No, Not possible. Until education is independent of the control of centralized government and the air waves are no longer controlled by a few corporations, a move to less government is very unlikely.
Nope, my guess is 10% (or even less) actually embrace true freedom. The vast majority are sheep waiting to be led and told when to wipe their asses.
Then there are another 10% who are control freak sociopaths (we call them politicians) who seek to control the masses for their benefit.
The libertarian 10% don’t want to control others or be controlled themsleves so they dont seek power but the sociopathic 10% do so they get it from the moronic masses begging to be slaves.
And f bonner for that assessment, freedom is the ability to choose, he is redefining everyones optimim freedom as his own ideal. What a crock.
Yes, because necessity is the Mother of invention – and I’d add adaptation.
No. Libertarians are freaks. 90%+ have homosexual cravings they spend every waking minute trying to control, without much success. They often cry over their white privilege. Most don’t use deodorant or brush their teeth. As a group, they still think obama is one of them.
Star – Is that sarc or are you drinking this early in the day?
Star, poor sarcasm, even for you. Libertarians are much more intelligent than the general populace.
Greetings,
One of the big problems that the US has had in its occupations over the last 70 years is that Democracy only works if you have a large middle class. You can not go into a country where there is nothing but the very rich and the very poor and expect democracy to take hold. The poor will vote themselves the wealth held by the rich and the rich will use their power to oppress the poor. Only when the middle class outnumbers both the rich and the poor can this system work.
The biggest reason why Libertarianism wont work is that we no longer have much of a middle class anymore. Farmers and craftsmen understand government because they live it each and every day. They must plan and budget and make executive decisions or their businesses will fail. Unfortunately, someone that works for corporation X and does the minimum necessary to keep the job doesn’t understand these things and neither does the FSA.
I expect the USA to resemble France in the coming years as the Union Drones and the FSA gobble up everything. The chances of a Libertarian philosophy taking hold in a nation like ours is about the same as it would be in Greece.
NO. (go watch Mark Dice interviews).
Also, the reasons most everyone else gave. Really great answers (except Tommy and star).
Star doesn’t understand what a Libertarian is. No, most of our pussified society is begging to be controlled. Global warming is a good example of this. Agenda 21 will eventually be forced on the masses.Many will be begging to be enslaved.All to save a planet that doesn’t need saving.
The great cull will come after the economic collapse that will happen eventually.
@Stucky, to simple and straightforward way for you?
Although I voted Libertarian for Harry Browne and worked on his campaign, I seriously don’t think Libertarians could be successful even if a presidential candidate was elected. There is too much corruption in play to keep the present system going.
It’s going to take something very dramatic to change the course of the U.S. As in EMP, Yellowstone blows up, or an ICBM launch off the coast of California (no, wait, that already happened and was covered up)!
“@Stucky, to simple and straightforward way for you?” ———- Tommy
Nope. Your original comment — “Yes, because necessity is the Mother of INVENTION – ” — makes zero sense when applied to politics.
The key to that phrase is the word I capitalized for you … “INVENTION”. The simple meaning of that proverb is that great inventions are the outcome of the invented THING being necessary.
You are certainly free to misapply the meaning of a proverb …. just as I am free to reject it.
In a libertarian world, a world without the FSA…..you don’t think there would be some re-learning, re-education, re-thinking? Social security recipients cut in half with benefits cut in half, bullshit gold plated pensions that go poof……sounds like some serious fucking necessity to me.
Tommy
Great.
What is being INVENTED? What is the THING?
Stop trying to justify your forcing the meaning of a proverb into something that doesn’t make sense.
I see the vernacular of invention eludes you, how about serendipity? Fuck, you actually think an invention is a noun…….you’re beyond help.
Tommy
Regardless of the true meaning of the proverb (which you will never fully understand), you PREMISE itself is unreasonable, illogical, and hopelessly the stuff of Pollyanna.
You’re saying — “Donald Trump can win because his winning is a necessity.”
How foolish a wish is that?? Eliminating the debt is a necessity. Double tapping Pelosi is a necessity. Getting rid of an annual trillion dollar military is a necessity. And, so on and on. How often does necessity solve government problems? 99% of the time “necessity” just makes things worse. And now you think The Donald can win because it’s necessary? Please, tell me you’re kidding all along.
BTW, I DO know what a fuckin’ noun is … and one more crack like that and I’m leaving for a week.
You Can’t change the premise of your bitch midstream. You’re wrong you dumb fucking boomer, own it. And no, you don’t get to reframe my point of view to align with your next best…..I’m fucking dead on balls accurate and you are sliding down a greasy pole in your underwear. Go renew your AARP membership, down a shot of geritol and call me in the morning.
Nope.
No ,libertarianism is just another Godless secular atheistic ideology with a free market twist.
It depends. If the state was simply eliminated, then no, society would be completely crushed from its infantile dependency. However, if the government is simply made moot by technology and private services (for example: bitcoin replacing the dollar, the blockchain replacing notary publics and document authentication, private security replacing copfucks, etc, then yes, libertarianism can succeed. The key is that the average person has to have their needs met.
Chris webb says something coherent. Thumbs up
No, it’s too far gone for that. The average American is too hopelessly stupid for this to possibly end well. The dependent class is also WAY to big for that transition. Taking away the wealth transfer will result in the pavement apes burning every major city to the ground.
That being said, it’s going to happen eventually, one way or another. The economic system here is a fragile house of cards that is built on nothing but debt and confidence. Once that collapses, and I will, we have two ways to go- a MASSIVE, oppressive, violent police state(for those who would say we are already there- no, not yet, in infrastructure is getting in place, but so far the iron fiat still wears a velvet glove), or a great decentralization that comes from the inability of govt to sustain itself, which would result in a much more libertarian society(Gary north has written along these lines).
No matter how it plays out, there will be massive riots and a lot of pain for everyone, but the govt is either going to grow even bigger and more oppressive, or collapse in on itself and exist as a much smaller, decentralized state. So while I do agree with y’all that no, most people can’t handle a libertarian society, it sure as hell beats the alternative.