WHAT CAUSED THE PREVIOUS CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL WARMINGS?

Global warming my fat ass.


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Bea Lever
Bea Lever

It’s the sun stupid.

card802
card802

What don’t people get?

This science is settled, the consensus amongst government sponsored scientific societies have released numerous statements and studies showing the overwhelming consensus that global warming is happening and that human activity is the primary cause. Scientists can conclusively identify that human activity is responsible for the observed increase in CO2 because the carbon dioxide emitted by burning coal, natural gas, and oil has a unique chemical “fingerprint” — and the additional CO2 in the atmosphere bears that signature.
While the climate has changed many times in the geologic past due to natural causes — including volcanic activity, changes in the sun’s intensity, fluctuations in Earth’s orbit, and other factors — but none of these can account for the current rise in global temperatures because that’s what the consensus of government paid climate scientists say.

Don’t cha know.

MeteorMan
MeteorMan

CO2 was at 7,000 ppm during Jurassic Period. Don’t think them boys drove SUVs.

Rise Up
Rise Up

I am a proud denier of anthropogenic global warming. Just watch as we enter global cooling over the next 30 years. Book it!

Brian
Brian

I’m with Bea, it’s the fucking electric plasma ball in the center of the solar system.

Troy Ounce
Troy Ounce

But global warming is supposed to be your fault > Guilt > Submission > Control > and lots of money for the High Priest Scientists.

Westcoaster
Westcoaster

@Card: Thanks, you’re right.

The reason Admin and others here are so bent on climate change NOT being caused by Human activity is they don’t want their taxes to increase, and they look at “global warming” as a lever politicos will and are using to increase taxes.
I think many of these people are actually smart enough to realize the Earth is warming due to Human activity but can’t bring themselves to admit it. To those people I say, get back to me when the entire East coast and Florida are under a foot of water. It’s coming and sooner than you think.

Stucky

“The reason Admin and others here are so bent on climate change …” —- Left Coaster

Kindly go fuck yourself. You don’t know jack shit about anyone’s motivations. You pull the same shit on other thread … “the reason you voted for Bush”, “the reason you’re all Republicans”.

” … is they don’t want their taxes to increase,” ——- Left Coaster

The implication being that if us cheap-ass Republicans would only be willing to pay more taxes, then global warming could be stopped, or slowed. Goddamn, you libtards really never do grow tired of spending other people’s money.

Serious question: why don’t you go hang out with your own kind? Wouldn’t you be happier someplace else? I know I would be.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

Westie blowing hot air is the REAL cause of catastrophic global warming.

kokoda
kokoda

@coast…..I’m tired of playing softball with gullible idiots. Anyone that believes in the BIG LIE is an ASSHOLE. a Liberal, a registered Democrat, a non-critical thinking useless piece of tripe, and finally, and most importantly, the AGW religious believers are those that have either zero knowledge of or very little knowledge of the lies, deceptions, and adjustments to data from the pseudo scientists.

Barring the effort to obtain knowledge, the other obvious method to understand what the hell is happening………….”Follow the Money” you dumb fucks.

Just start learning (if anything can squeeze in the limited space between your ears); just the tip of the iceberg e.g., http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/31/european-renewable-energy-performance-for-2014-fall-far-short-of-claims/#comment-1997641

robert h siddell jr

Lately the planets are heating up the most 50 billion miles out (Pluto) and Mercury the least. One theory is that Nibiru’s gravitational pull is causing the heating. I think the Sun has been the primary driver but that will change during Nibiru’s passage. Any one of a half dozen natural disasters could trigger a mini-Ice Age and we are due another 90,000 year Ice Age. Of course all that is after TPTB destroy our economy and the Black Mahdi Dictator declares Martial Law and becomes the two Beast’s Bitch.

IndenturedServant

Westcoaster said:
“The reason Admin and others here are so bent on climate change NOT being caused by Human activity is they don’t want their taxes to increase, and they look at “global warming” as a lever politicos will and are using to increase taxes.”

Gawddamn you’re a fucking moron! Ten minutes of very basic research proves much of the data that proves global warming is fatally flawed. On top of that the so called climate scientists were caught red handed manipulating data.

I personally know of one wx station that back in the day was out in an open grass field. Over time it was surrounded by buildings and eventually every inch of ground was paved over with black asphalt. The wx station was never moved. A fucking three year old could tell you that wx station has been collecting flawed data for decades. This happened hundreds of times all over the world.

Please explain how the proposed carbon credit exchange lowers or limits CO2 by even one micro liter.

I think man-made global warming is the result of the friction of westie and his mentally damaged liberal buddies dry fucking each other in the ass.

MarsPleaseAttack
MarsPleaseAttack

Who cares at this point if global climate change (an ever, on-going process that occurs whether we motor happily or not) is caused by humans? Though the process certainly seems to have been CONTRIBUTED to by hairless apes (the effects of which, currently on such clear display that even the most ideologically stringent can’t stop listening to their lying eyes’ obvious claims something less-than-friendly to our species is afoot), that argument misses the point entirely: climate IS changing, and not in a way that will promote MORE humans being here, let alone the 7+ billion worthless eaters already here. Add in peak oil, stir with Fukishima and a pinch of potable water unavailability, fold in some religious racial and economic strife, top it off with general (endemic) human stupidity, and you have a nice little End-of-Industrial-Civilization stew.

However are people going to make it without TBP when the electric to the server room fails because a posting has offended the local warlord? I suspect dodging from shade tree to shade tree and remaining one step ahead of the cannibals will fill your time ably.

Fiatman60
Fiatman60

It’s the sun………

It was warmer in the Pacific Northwest 7000 years ago, than it is today. It’s a ploy to “carbon tax” you.

Proof? Carbon dating core samples taken in area lakes shows it was considerably warmer 7000 years ago vs now. More you say?

The climates are changing on Venus, Mars, and Jupiter over the last 30 years compared to over 300 years ago thanks to Mr Galileo’s invention. How did man affect those changes?

Ya were probably responsible for some of the change….. but not all of it.

IndenturedServant

robert h siddell jr says:
“Lately the planets are heating up the most 50 billion miles out (Pluto) and Mercury the least. One theory is that Nibiru’s gravitational pull is causing the heating. I think the Sun has been the primary driver but that will change during Nibiru’s passage.”

Nibiru? Seriously? The Great Regression to utterly stupid continues. (for the record, Pluto is less than 5 billion miles away, not 50 billion)

Care to cite sources for your outer planets heating claim? I thought not.

From wikipedia:
“The Nibiru cataclysm is a supposed disastrous encounter between the Earth and a large planetary object (either a collision or a near-miss) which certain groups believe will take place in the early 21st century. Believers in this doomsday event usually refer to this object as Planet X or Nibiru. The idea that a planet-sized object will collide with or pass by Earth in the near future is not supported by any scientific evidence and has been rejected as pseudoscience and an internet hoax by astronomers and planetary scientists.[2][3]”

“The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4][5] founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003 (though that date was later postponed) causing Earth to undergo a physical pole shift that would destroy most of humanity.[6] The prediction has subsequently spread beyond Lieder’s website and has been embraced by numerous Internet doomsday groups, most of which linked the event to the 2012 phenomenon. The name “Nibiru” is derived from the works of the ancient astronaut writer Zecharia Sitchin and his interpretations of Babylonian and Sumerian mythology; he denied any connection between his work and various claims of a coming apocalypse.”

I think westie’s dain bramage is spreading! Maybe westie, bb and Mr. Siddell are all dry fucking each other on a tour of the outer Solar System and causing the heating? It’s just as plausible a theory as NIbiru.

BEA LEVER
BEA LEVER

Flash- Say something boy…………….are you sick……mad …what? Put up a nice graphic about GW and you’ll feel better.

I know you are out there, I can hear you breathing.

BigStupid
BigStupid

The concern isn’t as much that it is getting warmer, this is expected, but rather the rate by which it’s getting warmer. With a chaotic system it is literally impossible to predict the consequences of any tweaks humans make. Any model that says otherwise contains design bias – no different than doing a Monte Carlo simulation assuming constant expected return over a long period, your final result with trend towards the initial assumptions you made.

As far as I’m concerned the science boils down to the following:
1.) Carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere – this is pretty well established
2.) Global climate is a chaotic system (mathematically speaking) – unpredictable by definition

Adding energy to a chaotic system MAY increase the variability of the system – this is the concern

The danger with excessive change (too quick an increase vs. ‘natural’ increase) is that the system’s momentum can cause it to blow right through internal checks (positive/negative feedback cycles can be overwhelmed), this applies to chaotic systems in general.

Looking at human attempts to “fix” our mistakes in the environment (when we don’t understand the whole system) doesn’t inspire confidence. Rather than hamstring our civilization with half-assed ‘fixes’ we should consider devoting serious money to the study of the system (and no, climate scientists aren’t driving around in Bentleys) until we can draw meaningful conclusions. The problem comes down to (in Canada we’re no different) politicians not wanting to hear any science that runs contrary to their platform – (declaring a platform before the science is settled and then using position to influence results leads to a nasty political circle jerk).

Individual people should be more concerned with general sustainable living than the end of the world – the rest will follow.

Personally I’m more concerned with the small particulate and toxic byproducts of dirty combustion than the CO2 emissions – that’s what should be controlled. I think anyone who has worked at a refinery/industrial plant and walked to their car after the plant had to purge would agree, that shit is nasty!

Happy Weekend All!

IndenturedServant

Fiatman60 said:
“The climates are changing on Venus, Mars, and Jupiter over the last 30 years compared to over 300 years ago thanks to Mr Galileo’s invention.”

Sources? Hell, I’d be impressed to just see the 300 years of climate data we have for Venus, Mars and Jupiter. If you think Galileo invented the telescope you’d be wrong.

AnarchoPagan
AnarchoPagan

Big Stupid,

I’m confused. You believe that the global climate is a chaotic system – unpredictable by definition –
AND we should study the system until we can draw meaningful conclusions.
How do we EVER reach a meaningful, if you mean actionable, conclusion?

robert h siddell jr

Indentured Servant: It was from memory of a Youtube video but to find exactly which one and the run time will take a day or so. You are right about the distance from the sun (my memory failed me) and from now on I will double check such: it’s about 3.7 billion miles. I have a Math Major and Physics, Biology and Secondary Education Minors; some astronomer PhD goofed and said Pluto was 50 trillion miles from the sun; I don’t think insults are justified unless you want to fight and be advised this Rebel don’t run.

IndenturedServant

rhs, when I see bullshit……I call bullshit. With all that edumacation you’d think that 50 billion or 50 trillion would stand out like a sore thumb even with a casual reading. With a secondary physics education, how the hell could “a large planetary object” cause heating of the outer planets ESPECIALLY since the outer planets are not residing in a tight group. Hell, Pluto takes 248 years to orbit the Sun and its orbit is inclined to the plane of the Solar System. Is Nibiru (a singular, made up object) bird dogging each of the outer planets to warm them up? You may be educated but clearly lack a basic understanding of the Solar System.

No fight needed. I already won. Insults are always justified when calling bullshit on TBP!

Where does Niburu belong in relation to this diagram to cause this heating of the outer planets?

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IndenturedServant

rhs, from a physics standpoint, where does all this heat come from if not the Sun? Yeah, I know you think the leading driver is the Sun which makes your being sucked in by the Nibiru bullshit even more perplexing.

If there were another heat source in the Solar System significant enough to heat planets I’m quite sure it would be common knowledge. Mercury is parked right up against a nuclear blast furnace and someone…..anyone……..believes Pluto is warming faster than Mercury?

Overthecliff
Overthecliff

Deniers! When Hillary falters. The people will draft my main man Algore. You know it could happen. Look what happened the last two elections.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

Stucky says: Wouldn’t you be happier someplace else? I know I would be.

I can only guess that you meant, if you were WC, but it sounds like your not happy here.

IndenturedServant

Bea, who ran flash off? I missed that shitfest.

EL Coyote
EL Coyote

I-S:

Done been Girled:

flash says:

Stuck -Not to mention that gaining access to Admin’s server was likely necessary to accomplish the dirty deed. Do you at least care about that?

What sensitive overgrown whiny pussy…And you claim to be a computer engineer …phtttt. Punking your silly ass on the the thumb game was nothign more simple than a screen refresh. And again, you silly bitch. All the thumbs down where not mine.As I explained before , you truly did get an ass of thumbs down. Maybe it was the pile on effect .I don’t know. But at least half was honestly your.
Now I’m though commenting here.

Dirtscratcher
Dirtscratcher

As a former climate change skeptic I am now firmly in the AGW camp. This transformation is attributable to the discovery of it’s true cause: presidential elections. It”s impossible for all those $billions$ worth of gasbag emissions from the candidates to not have some deleterious effect on the atmosphere. It sure degrades mine if…. IF… I listen. Hell, just the noxious fumes emanating from Hillary is enough to make the whole planet wretch.

IndenturedServant

Dirtscratcher said:
“Hell, just the noxious fumes emanating from Hillary is enough to make the whole planet wretch.”

Now that’s some funny shit!

MuckAbout

All the TBP shit throwing monkeys can argue about global warming, ice ages and all the other crap right up to when they are submerged or frozen solid.

My opinion is that we’re fucked. ‘Da water is rising, the ice caps are melting and there is nothing the human race can do but this: FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADAPT TO A NEW REALITY AND DEAL WITH IT!

Quit bitching about what is causing it – look at what’s happening and bloody deal with it.

MA

robert h siddell jr

Indentured Servant: I made a mistake but you really get off rubbing my nose in it; you better not make one yourself old buddy. The point of my education comment was to demonstrate that I am not an astronomer; but, the guy in the video was supposed to be. I really want to find that SOB and let you tear into his ass if he is wrong. As for all your specific questions, I do know that we don’t know it all and if there is data showing something we can’t explain then the fun begins Having looked in Google now about planets heating, data is as screwy as the rest of NOAA and NASA. As for Nibiru, Zecharia Sitchin’s work has many errors but it seems to me that there could be something out there being covered up and I think the whole broad situation from prophecy through science through government conspiracy calls for an open mind and bears considerable watching even if an erudite chap as yourself continues to ridicule me about it.

forester
forester

Mucked up – My opinion is that we’re fucked. ‘Da water is rising, the ice caps are melting and there is nothing the human race can do but this: FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADAPT TO A NEW REALITY AND DEAL WITH IT!

Quit bitching about what is causing it – look at what’s happening and bloody deal with it.

Forester says ——–> Wow – that is really stupid….the bastards got caught red handed manipulating data – and bragging about it – and you state this bullshit – you are a complete idiot ….

IndenturedServant

rhs, it’s nothing personal. More like the nature of TBP. It tends to keep the trolls away too. By all means, when I go stupid fire away! I’m not above getting slapped around a bit.

The guy you’re thinking of wasn’t Phil Plait was it? If so I’d be very interested in seeing it. Unfortunately, unless you can get him to visit TBP, no tearing of his (or anothers) will likely be possible.

The great thing about astronomy is everyone has equal access to the subject matter. Sitchin, among professionals is universally considered wrong. A quick search shows that he is not held in high regard among professionals in other areas of study as well.

I’m sure coverups in astronomy take place but astronomers around the world get along rather well. Despite such enormous subject matter, surprisingly few resources are a devoted to it. The resources that do exist are in high demand and time is carefully allotted to the pros. A tremendous amount of cooperation among astronomers takes place because even though one group might be studying variable stars, their imagery and data can help other groups studying comets or other things. It’s less likely to be manipulated IMO because others are studying the same thing or are capable of analyzing your data. A number of pros publish massive catalogs of raw data specifically seeking the help of anyone willing to dig into it. Fact is, data is collected at a much faster rate than it can even be analyzed. For a time the ability to collect data exceeded our ability to store it.

A common warning to most newbies on TBP is to be able to back your shit up. (not sure when you came onboard but I don’t consider you a newbie) The only way for astronomers to back their shit up is to put it out there for scrutiny by those with the ability to do so. If they are wrong, they get their ass handed to them or turn over the key some other group needed to support their theory. That’s one reason I like it.

bb

IS ,with so much knowledge about far away outer space how did you become such a lame ass here on earth ?
Go ahead and blame your hurt foot. Loser.

Bea Lever
Bea Lever

I/S

I think Flash is a little put out over something, not sure what. Stucky and Flash were into it for a few days so it could be that. He is miffed with me over giving him shit about his theory that Hitlery Clinton in the WH will somehow destroy the REP and some new political order will come about is lame.

He is not thin skinned, so maybe it is personal. Whatever the problem, I wish he would post something to let us know he is ok. Not the same without him.

robert h siddell jr

Indentured Servant: Youtube “Revelation Planet X is close here is some evidence nibiru wormwood is now”, starts 51:45 to 57:54. Plait is mentioned.

IndenturedServant

rhs,
I watched the six minute clip you pointed out. I saw them mention a Dr. Jeff Plaut but not Phil Plait. Phil has a site which covers numerous astronomical misconceptions and crackpot theories like Planet X. You can read the summary of scientific arguments here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/ or read all eleven pages in detail beginning here: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html

robert h siddell jr

Thanks for your time and info. As soon as I get my bomb shelter finished, I’ll study all this. Seriously, I so hope you are right and the only trouble will be with TPTB. . .

IndenturedServant

RHS said:
“Seriously, I so hope you are right and the only trouble will be with TPTB. . .”

We have .0000001 chance of controlling TPTB and a lesser chance of controlling anything else so I tend to worry about TPTB.

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